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November 17, 1971Pi CITY OF CUPERTINO, State of California 10300 Torre Avenue, Cupertino Telephone; 252--4505 MINUTES OF THE REGULAR MEETING OF THE ARCHITECTURAL AND SITE APPROVAL COMMITTEE ON NOVEMBER 17, 1971 IN THE COUNCIL CHAMBER CITY HALL, CUPERTINO, CALIFORNIA SALUTE TO THE FLAG Chairman Ryner opened the meeting at 7:32 PM with the Salute to the Flag. ® ROLL CALL Members present: Member absent: Staff present: Adams, Gatto (7:40), Sargent, Chairman Ryner McLaren Director of Planning & Development Jim Sisk Planning Technician Mike Sheppard Recording Secretary Lois Inwards MINUTES OF THE PREVIOUS MEETING 1. Approval of Minutes of November 3, 1971. Moved by Member Adams, seconded by Member Sargent to approve the Minutes of November 3, 1971, as written. Motion carried, 3-0 WRITTEN COMMUNICATIONS 2. None requested. ORAL COMMUNICATIONS 3. None requested. HC-44 Page 1 Nov. 3rd Minutes approved HC-44 Page 2 2 signs 2-yr lease Description of signs Public Hearing; closed Original cond. should remain Motion died for lack of a second MINUTES OF THE NOVr NII3ER 171 1971 H-,CONTROL MEETING 4. Application HC-51,260.1 - Cupertino Sport Shop, represented by Mr. Albert A. Silva, requesting approval of sign plan, 20314 Stevens Creek Blvd. (former newspaper office) Loc. Map, Ex. 1) Mr. Albert A. Silva, 10171 East Estates Drive, Cupertino, was present to discuss the above matter. The Planning Technician said there are two signs, a painted sign on the fascia and an internally illuminated projecting sign. Member Adams asked for the conditions of the lease. Mr. Silva said on June 1, 1971, he signed a two-year lease. The Planning Technician said both signs are within the allowable square footage. Colored slides of the shopping center and an artist's rendering of the proposed signs were displayed. Member Sargent asked how high the present signs are in that shopping center. The Planning Technician said they are non -conforming. The applicant said he will install the signs at the height requested by the Committee. Chairman Ryner said he would 'Like to see them the same as the others in that shopping center. Chairman Ryner asked for comments from the audience. There were none. Moved by Member Adams, seconded by Member Sargent to close the Public Hearings. Motion. carried, 4-0 IMember Gatto commented that he felt the original condition placed on this application is valid and should remain. In lieu of the short term of the lease; and the legal allowance of the sign surface area permitted on the one hand, and the fact that the entire complex should be upgraded on the other hand, Member Adams made the following motion: Member Adams moved to recommend approval of application HC-51,260.1, subject to the exhibits submitted, with the limitation of the height for the top of the perpendicular sign to be no higher than the Valley Bookkeeping sign and that the structural mounting concept and design are to be presented to the staff prior to the submittal for final approval by the City Council. This motion died for lack of a second. 0 MINUTES OF THE NOVEMBER 17, 1.971 H--CONTROL MEETING Moved by Member Gatto, seconded by Member Sargent to recommend to the City Council denial of application HC--51,260.1. AXES: Members Gatto, Sargent, Chairman Ryner NOES: Member Adams ABSENT: Member McLaren Motion carried, 3-1 5. Application HC-51,274 - Mobil Oil Corporation, Stevens Creek Blvd. and Wolfe Road requesting approval of landscaping and signs (continued from November 3rd meeting) (Loc. Map, Ex. 2) Mr. Pete Hercz, Engineer with Mobil Oil Corporation, was present to discuss the matter. The site plan was placed on the bulletin board. The Planning Technician said the concern at the previous meeting was in regard to the placement of the reader board. The original plan was to put it within the 40' triangle. The applicant now proposes to move the reader board to the corner of East Estates Blvd and Stevens Creek Blvd. and to enlarge that corner planter. Member Adams noted that the new plan does not mention the removal of the identification sign now on East Estates at the rear pro- perty line, and any motion should reflect this. Mr. Hercz said he has further studied the sign situation at this site. The Company feels they will be defeating their purpose if the present two signs are removed. The .dealer agreed with the Company on this point. They are willing to enlarge the landscaping remove the pole sign and keep the present two pricing signs, forgetting about the reader board sign at the corner of East Estates and Stevens Creek Blvd. He added that with the staff's proposal there would be no identification or price signs showing from Wolfe Road. Member Sargent asked why the planter at Wolfe and Stevens Creek Blvd. is not planned to be enlarged as was planned at East Estates and Stevens Creek Blvd. Mr. Hercz said the reason why he agreed to enlarge the one planter was to hold the reader board. If the Wolfe Road planter were enlarged and the reader board placed where the City would require it would be hidden by the canopy. He said he would be willing to put reader boards in both corners for maximum exposure. He did not think the Council would go along witl it but if the Committee made this recommendation he thought the Company would go along with it. The Planning Director said the reason for the reader board type sign is to consolidate all this information within one sign. HC-44 Page 3 HC-51,260.1 denied Original and subsequent proposals New proposal: keep present price signs Applicant wants two reader boards HC-44 Page 4 Signs can be read at 400' 2 signs at 90' angle Alternatives listed MINUTES OF THE NOVEMBER 17, 1971 H-CONTROL MEETING Member Gatto suggested two reader board signs within an enlarged planter area at Wolfe and Stevens Creek. He asked the applicant at what distance you can read these signs. Mr. Hercz answered they can be read at 400 feet. Mr. Harry Watson, 6065 Foothill Glen Court, San Jose, said he is the Area Sales Manager for Mobil Oil. He said that cars coming down Stevens Creek Blvd. could safely mane a lane change across from the Mayfair Market and the reader board, if placed where the staff recommended, could not be seen. He -added that the applicant agrees to take down all small signs regarding smog control, B of A cards, etc. Chairman Ryner said he was surprised other Committee members were considering two reader board signs when other stations have been required to have only one. Mr. Hercz said they are servicing three streets at this location. He stressed the marketing standpoint on this. The applicant and Committee appeared to be at a stalemate. Member Gatto suggested taking two signs and placing them at a 90' angle and placing them outside the 40' triangle. Moved by Member Adams, seconded by Member Gatto to close the Public Hearings. Motion carried, 4-0 Following is a summary of alternatives: 1. Enlarge the intersection of the planter area at Wolfe and Stevens Creek Blvd and add two half -read board signs at right angles to each other outside the 40' triangle. 2. Mount the dual sign as presented in Exhibit E at 45' from the intersection. 3. Separate the two signs and. physically locate them perpenducular to the street. 4. One reader board at Stevens Creek Blvd and East Estates and one at Wolfe and Stevens Creek Blvd. The applicant indicated that the one sign at 45' angle is unsatis- factor; alternate 1 seemed the most satisfactory to him. Member (Sargent was not convinced that the one sign outside the 40' triangle could not be seen from Stevens Creek Blvd. • • 0 7 MINUTES OF THE NOVEMBER 17, 1971 H-CONTROL MEETING Member Gatto feels that the intent has been to consolidate signs in one general location. He feels that two signs located within the one planter, if not touching, at least to appear to be one sign, might be acceptable. There should be a unification. He would like to see the drawing of such a sign before making any .recommendation to the Council. Moved by Member Adams, seconded by Member Gatto to recommend to the City Council approval of application HC-51,274, per Exhibit A submitted and revised; subject to the standard H-Control condition and subject to the additional conditions as follows: 1. The Mobil Oil.pole sign at the southeast corner of the propert; is to be removed. ® 2. The B of A and pollution control and other signs are to be removed. 3. Concrete berms and wheel stops to be installed in front of the planting areas to serve as parking stalls along the rear of the station. 4. The reader board sign shown on the plot plan in the planter area at the intersection of East Estates and Stevens Creek Blvd. to be deleted and a double reader board sign similar to Plan E-1 to be located in a revised planter area at the intersection of Stevens Creek Blvd. and Wolfe Road such that location of said reader board shall be outside of the 40' triangle but entirely inside the planter area, per the Ordinance, and that the angle between the two halves of the reader board to be approximately as shown on the plot plan for the Stevens Creek Blvd and Stelling sign location. Such plans are to be completed prior to submission for approval by the City Council. AYES: Members Adams, Gatto NOES: Member Sargent, Chairman Ryner ABSENT: Member McLaren Motion tied, 2-2 11 HC-44 Page 5 Motion tied HC-44 Page 6 Present reader board within 40' triangle Put in improv ments and lea present signs Public Hearings closed H-Control approval of signs and landscaping required Invalid application MINUTES OF THE NOVEMBER 17, 1971 H-CONTROL.MEETING According to the regulations, Chairman Ryner said a tied vote is considered a denial. However, this ;application will go to the City Council, and the applicant can present prepared.drawings for their consideration. 6. Application HC-51,102.1 - Mobil'Oil Corporation, Stevens Creek Blvd. and Stelling Road, requesting approval of landscaping and signs (continued from.November 3rd meeting) (Loc. Map, Ex. 3) r The Planning Technician said the major problem here is that the station presently has a reader board sign within the 40' triangle but the proposal is to enlarge the planter.;. Colored slides were displayed. In answer to Member Adams' question, Mr. Hercz said all signs would be removed. He felt the pro'Blem here is that all the light standards, etc., as well as cars turning left onto Stelling from Stevens Creek Blvd. would block the reader board sign in the position recommended by the staff.jj He asked if the reader board could be permitted within the 40' radius. He would be willing to put in the improvements and keep the signs, as is. I Moved by Member Gatto, seconded by;Member Adams to close the Public Hearings. Motion carried, 4-0 Chairman. Rvner was concerned, since the applicant was withdrawing his plan for a reader board; whether the Committee could approve the other improvements. The Planning Director said the Use Permit was granted for a third prpduct on the condition of H-Control approval of signs and landscapin..g. Chairman Ryner then declared this, application invalid. The applicant. was told he could file for a Vari'ance. i 7. Application HC-51,207.1 - Mobil Oil Corporation, Homestead Road and Bernardo Avenue, requesting approval of landscaping and signs (continued from November 3rd meeting). (Loc. Map, Ex. 4) • • 0 • u 0 0 0 MINUTES OF THE NOVEMBER 17, 1971 H-CONTROL MEETING The Planning Technician said the problem at this station is the . location of the reader board and the condition of the plants presently in the planter. It was brought out that this planter has recently been replanted. These plants were put in about six months ago, and it seems that the students from the school nearby take a shortcut through the planter area. Mr. Hercz added that they have a new operator at this station now. It was noted that View II, Revision B was being considered at this meeting. The Planning Technician said the applicant has agreed to replace any dead plants and any that must be removed. Moved by Member Gatto, seconded by Member Sargent to close the Public Hearings. Motion carried, 4-0 Moved by Member Gatto, seconded by Member Adams, to recommend to the City Council approval of application HC-51,207.1, subject to the standard conditions and subject to Exhibits A and B Revised, with the further condition that all dead plant material is to be removed and replaced. Any plants dislocated by the reader boar are to be replaced within the planter area. AYES: Members Adams, Gatto, Sargent, Chairman Ryner NOES: None ABSENT: Member McLaren Motion carried, 4-0 8. Application HC-51,075.17 - Vallco Park, Ltd., requesting approval of site and architecture of light industrial building easterly of Tantau Avenue and southerly of Homestead Road. (Loc. Map, Ex. 5) Mr. Bill Tagg, 619 Huntingdon Drive, Sunnyvale, was present to discuss the matter. The Planning Technician said at the November 1st City Council meeting the Use Permit was approved for these concrete buildings. A rendering of the proposal was shown on the bulletin board. Mr. Tagg said the outside color has been changed. HC-44 Page 7 New operator at this station Dead plants to be replaced Public Hearings closed HC-51,207.1 approved Outside color changed r HC-44 Page 8 Changes delineated Recessed roof to hide mech. equip. Discussion of security fence Public Hearings' closed HC-51,075.17 approved MINUTES OF THE NOVEMBER 17, 1971 H-CONTROL MEETING Mr. Gil Sanchez, 2461 Plummer Avenue, San Jose, said they changed the overhang of the soffitt from glass to wood and changed the color of the background from brown to white. The steel frame has been changed to anodized aluminum to give the building a more warm, soft look. In answer to Member Adams' question, Mr. Sanchez said the soffitt is 22 feet high and will go all around the building. The roof will be recessed to hide the mechanical equipment. Mr. Tagg said there will be an 8' high cyclone fence on the property line between them and the neighbors. They want this for security reasons. He added that they now have a cyclone fence behind one of their buildings and it is a nice place to collect trash. It really does not provide that much security; it is easy to climb over. Chairman Ryner asked if there is presently a cyclone fence in back of Intersil and AMI and on down to Homestead. Mr. Tagg said there is, and it is constantly being cut. Pictures of the fence on the property line were displayed showing how the cyclone fence has been cut and there is a path there. Mr. Tagg also pointed out the fence should go on the property line so some of the neighbors' fencee will then have to be removed. Chairman Ryner asked for comments from the audience. There were none. Moved by Member Adams, seconded by Member Gatto to close the Public Hearings. Motion carried, 4•-0 The Planning Director said he has tried unsuccessfully to contact those neighbors who requested the cyclone fence. Moved by Member Gatto, seconded by Member Adams to recommend to the 'City Council approval of application HC-51,075.17, subject to the standard H-Control conditions and�Exhibits A, B, and C as attached,. and further recommendation that Condition 4 of the Planning Commission approval of the Use Permit be rescinded and the staff is to contact (those persons who were present at the Planning Commission regarding this Use Permit. AXES: Members Adams, Gatto, Sargent, Chairman Ryner NOES: None (ABSENT: Member McLaren Motion carried, 4-0 i 9 n U 0 L 11 C� J 0 MINUTES OF THE NOVEMBER 17, 1971 H-CONTROL MEETING 9. Application HC-51,283.1 - Stoneson Development Corporation, represented.by John Rodrigues, Jr., requesting approval of site and architecture for restaurant to be located at the northwest corner of the intersection of Stevens Creek Blvd. and Mary Avenue. (Loc. Map, Ex. 6) Mr. John Rodrigues, 20430 Tom Center Lane, Cupertino, and Mr. Robert Paige, Glenbrook Apartments, Cupertino, were present to discuss the plans. The Planning Director introduced the proposal with -colored slides of the location and the site plan indicating the mature trees on the property. The architecture of the proposed building was also shown. Mr. Paige said they will use precast concrete panels with redwood. resawn face, ceramic tile steps, and mission tile roof. The 4' high parapet wall will completely enclose the mechanical equipment on the roof. Member Gatto asked why they are using a simulated_ rather than the real slump stone. Mr. Paige said it is a matter of cost and, too, there is a new process to simulate slump stone which is very good. There will be a solid plywood wall with grapestakes on 12" centers along part of the front. The solid fence occurs along Mary Avenue, with a pair of open gates leading to the trash area. Chairman Ryner said he would like to see the gates made of the same material as the fence. The trash area will be incorporated under the tile roof, but it will be open from the bottom of the eave to the top of the fence for ventila- tion. The applicant stated that Mr. James Coleman is -the landscape architect and he is very concerned about saving the trees. They will use drain tile bedded in gravel at the outside radius and they will leave vents in the asphalt that will allow the roots to breathe. 'It was suggested they add stepping stones for a walkway along the side of the building on the parking lot side. Member Adams suggested they use the Marie Callendar plans as guidelines to aid in preserving the trees. Some specialty shops will be going into the shopping center. There will be a 15'2" x 20' courtyard adjacent to the dining room primarily for the use of wedding reception parties, etc. Mr. Rodriques said they are trying to outdo the Velvet Turtle. There will be a fireplace in the sunken sitting area. Maximum seating capacity will be 300 including the banquet facilities.: HC-44 Page 9 Building materials Landscape discussion Dining room description it MINUTES OF THE NQVEMBER 1.7, 1971 H--CONTROL MEETING . r, i' Member Gatto would like to see something done to alleviate the patrons having to walk between the wars to get to the front door from the parking lot.. This will bei'reviewed, along with the landscaping, at a later date. i f Moved by Member Sargent, seconded by Member Adams, to close the Public Hearings. � Motion carried,,1,4-0 Chairman Ryner was concerned about the "high-class restaurant" with the artificial slump stone walls. Moved by Member Gatto, seconded bypMember Adams, to recommend to the City Council approval of application HC-51,283.1, subject to the standard conditions and to Exhibits A, B and C attached; with the following further conditions: i 1. Trash enclosure to be completely shielded from public view by installing gates of same material as fence along Mary Avenue, to be a minimum of 6' Iand 6" above the pier grade. I. 2. Regarding the trees, the landscape architect shall prepare a set of specifications with they' mannar in which the trees are to be preserved, to be submittl'ed prior to issuance of the building permit. f It is noted this application is for architecture and site only; 11 lighting, landscaping and signs are to be reviewed at a later date. The applicant is to be aware that the mechanical equipment on the roof is not to be visible.:' AYES: Members Adams, Gatto, Chairman Ryner NOES: Member Sargent 6 ABSENT: Member McLaren I. I. Motion carried, 3-1 r UNFINISHED BUSINESS 10. Summary Report Showing Status of Action on Items Referred to the Staff. I' i The Planning Director said everything was approved by the City Council with the exception of Mobil Oil, who asked for a continuance. r e I' HC-44 Page 10 Alleviate patrons from walking betwee cars Public Hearing closed • HC-51,283.1 recommended for approval MINUTES Or THE. NOVEMB ER 17, 1971 H-CONTROL MEETING 11. Status Report of 1-1-Control Applications The Chamber of Commerce sign on Highway 9 is still in the same condition. Tennessee West opens after 4 PM and the Building Department is having trouble citing them. Sears will have a representative at the next H-Control meeting to discuss the lighting of the bell. Member Gatto suggested some pressure should be put.on violators of the Sign Ordinance. The Planning Director will actively pursue this. So moved by Member Gatto, seconded by Member Adams. Motion carried, 4-0 NEW BUSINESS Chairman Ryner reported two students in a Citizenship class in high school evaluated the number of bike racks at businesses within Cupertino and reported this to the City Council. The City Hall is going to install some bike racks. He feels they should be reviewed by H-Control under Landscaping. Member Sargent suggested this might be a staff suggestion to the applicants. Chairman Ryner said the Oak Meadows applicants had a 2-hour sessior at the last Council meeting. He suggested floor plans be included in the packet before this Committee gets it and for the Members to check it over thoroughly prior to the meeting. ADJOURNMENT Moved by Member Gatto, seconded by Member Adams to adjourn the meeting at 10:21 PM. APPROVED: .... ...... ..... ...... ..... .. . /s/ Stephen'C.' Ryner Chairman ATTEST: /s/ Wm. E. Ryder _ City Clerk HC-44 Page 11 Staff to put pressure on Sign. Ord. violators Bike racks Oak Meadows floor plan requested