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May 05, 19719 E 0 1.7 CITY OF CUPERTINO, State of California 10300 Torre Avenue, Cupertino Telephone; 252-4505 MINUTES OF THE REGULAR MEETING OF THE ARCHITECTURAL AND SITE APPROVAL COMMITTEE ON MAY 5, 1971 IN THE COUNCIL CHAMBER CITY HALL, CUPERTINO, CALIFORNIA Vice -Chairman McLaren opened the meeting at 7:35 P.M. with the Salute to the Flag. ROLL CALL Committee Members present: Adams, Gatto, Marquez, McLaren, Ryner Committee Members absent: None Staff present: City Clerk Ryder Director of Public Works Yarborough Recording Secretary Lois Inwards OATH OF OFFICE FOR NEW MEMBERS The City Clerk administered the Oath of Office for reinstated Member Adams and new Member Gatto. Vice -Chairman McLaren congratulated the new Members. She also stated that recognition should be given former Member Small for the years of service he has given to the City of Cupertino. ELECTION OF CHAIRMAN AND VICE CHAIRMAN Moved by Member Adams, seconded by Member Gatto to nominate Member Ryner to the Office of Chairman of the Architectural and Site Approval Committee for the forthcoming year. AYES: Members Adams, Gatto, Marquez, McLaren NOES: None ABSTAINED: Member Ryner Motion carried, 4-0-1 HC-32 Page 1 HC-32 Page 2 r Minutes of the Architectural and Site Approval Committee, May 5, 1971- Moved by Member Marquez, seconded by Member Gatto to nominate Member Adams to the Office of Vice -Chairman for the forthcoming year. AYES: Members Gatto, Marquez, McLaren, Ryner NOES: None ABSTAINED: Member Adams Motion carried; 4--0-1 The new Officers took their chairs., Chairman Ryner said the reason he was silent on the nomination of Vice Chairman is that he did not think he should choose his Vice Chairman. He commented that the Committee Members all work well together, even though they might'not always agree. MINUTES OF THE PREVIOUS MEETING 1. Approval of Architectural and Site Approval Minutes of April 21, 1971. Member Adams called attention to an error in the first paragraph on page 7 wherein Councilman Green was mistakenly called Planning Commissioner Green. Moved by Member McLaren, seconded by Member Adams to approve the Minutes of April 21, 1971, as corrected. AYES: Members Adams, McLaren, Ryner NOES: None ABSTAINED: Members Gatto, Marquez Motion carried, 3-0-2 . 0 C0141MICATIONS WRITTEN The Director of Public Works introduced his memo on City Council Actions Pertaining -to H-Control. It was decided to bring this up under UNFINISHED BUSINESS. ORAL There were none. 11 Minutes of the Architectural & Site Approval Committee,,May 5 ® PUBLIC HEARINGS 4. Application HC--51,015.10 -- Federal Signs, .1521 Terminal., San Jose, Ca. 95103, requesting approval of sign for Trend 0' Fashion, located in the Crossroads Shopping Center (Loc. Map, Ex. 1.) Since the applicant was not yet present, it was moved by Member McLaren, seconded by Member Adams to put application 14C-51,015.10 at the end of the Public Hearings. Motion carried, 5-0 5. Application HC-51,260 - Cupertino Sport Shop, 20314 Stevens Creek Boulevard, requesting approval of sign for shop located in the former Cupertino Courier Office. (Loc. Map, Ex. 2) Mr. Albert A. Silva, 20314 Stevens Creek Boulevard, Cupertino, said he was the applicant. The Director of Public Works showed colored slides of the existing store front and the renderings presented by the applicant along with his application. The applicant has requested permission to erect an internally illuminated double-faced projecting sign perpendicular to the building in addition to the existing painted wall sign which is above the canopy on the face of the building. The wall sign has not previously been reviewed by the Committee. The applicant was cited by the Building Department. The total sign area and placement of the signs are within the limitations of the Sign Ordinance. Member Marquez asked about the materials used on the present sign. He was told that it was a painted wooden sign. .Member Adams asked if a Use Permit was required when the applicant made arrangements to have the sport shop and if so, what provi- sions are made to inform an applicant about the Sign Ordinance and the need for Architectural and Site Approval. He was told that this is a commercial use in a commercial building; therefore no Use Permit is required. Mr. Silva said that at the time he painted the wall sign he was not aware that a sign of this type would need to be reviewed by the Committee; only electrical signs, Member McLaren noted that since both signs are within the purview of the Sign Ordinance, what happens when other lessees in that center decide they, too, would like to put up perpendicular signs. It was noted that there are already some similar signs at that shopping center. The applicant's plan is to erect his perpendi- cular sign at the same height as that of Valley Bookkeeping per- pendicular sign; lower than the one on the meat market. HC-32 Page 3 HC-51.015.10 moved to end of Public Hearings HC-32 Page 4 Public Hearings closed Minutes of the Architectural & Site Approval Committee, May 5, 1971 J Chairman Ryner questioned whether the applicant will actually get any advertising value from the proposed sign, so close to the others. Mr. Silva said there is poor lighting at that center, and he is open nights. The Director of Public Works said, according to the Sign Ordinance, 3% of the store area can be used for signs. This building is 4780 square feet. Member McLaren felt the painted sign was not in keeping with the other shops in that center -- the colors stood 'out too muth."-There was some discussion about repainting the sign, using more -subdued colors. Chairman Ryner asked the Director of Public Works if it is *ithin the Sign Ordinance to have a sign perpendicular on top of the roof that way. The Director said the Sign Ordinance does.not prevent it. Chairman Ryner asked for comments from the audience. There were none. Moved by Member Adams, seconded by Member Marquez to close the Public Hearings. Motion carried, 5-0 Member Adams asked the applicant if he would be amenable to changing the white backdrop on the fascia of the building. Applicant agreed to do this. However, he added that -the paint on the rest of the building is in very poor condition. If anything, he would like to. talk to his landlord and the other lessees to see if they will agree to dress up the entire building. The Cali Brothers are the owners of the building. The Director of Public Works said, in view of the fact that the Ordinance does not specify, the Committee might want to suggest a wall -type, illuminated sign. Chairman Ryner suggested reviewing the present sign at this meeting and have the applicant come back at a later date with the other sign. Member Adams suggested the applicant look at more up-to-date signs in the area for ideas on his other sign. Chairman Ryner said perhaps all the tenants could get together, since this is a very important area in the City'of Cupertino, and update all the signs on it.' It was brought out by the applicant that he only has a two-year lease and he doubts that any of the lessees iaould be willing to spend much money on it at this point. Member Adams said he could appreciate the applicant's point of view. He then asked the applicant if he would be willing to leave the present painted sign up with the Minutes of the Architectural & Site Approval Committee, May 5, 1971 ® thought that at some future time he could present a fascia sign rather than an overhanging sign to the Committee for approval. The applicant concurred, but stated that he has already purchased the illuminated sign, subject to approval of the City. It was his mistaken understanding that he only needed City approval for il- luminated signs. He said he was negligent in not looking into the matter more thoroughly. Moved by Member Adams to recommend to the City Council a portion of application HC--51,260 -- Cupertino Sport Shop signs as follows: That the Cupertino Sport Shop painted sign on the front of the building be permitted to remain for a period of six months, during . which time theapplicant, if he so wishes, may return to this Committee and propose a modified illuminated, fascia -type sign not perpendicular to the building; also, that at the end of the six months period this application must be again reviewed by the City for its approval. Motion died for lack of a Second. Member Marquez said he would be in favor of three, not six months. Member Gatto said it appeared the illuminated sign was intended for night use. He would be strongly opposed to any roof sign. He felt the painted sign, under the circumstances, would be OK. When questioned, Mr. Silva said the proposed sign would have two 150 watt lights directed toward the sign for night illumination. The electrical work was already up on the roof when he leased the building. He asked if he could just leave it as is, with just flood lights. Member Adams asked the Director of Public.Works if the sockets are already there, would the Committee have any control over them. The Director of. Public Works said this would come under the jurisdiction of the Building Department, and he would have to check it out. Member Marquez said he did not modified, perhaps. He felt it was inclined to go along with taste. like the present painted sign -- stuck out like a sore thumb. He n illuminated sign, done in g- -' Member McLaren agreed that the white on the painted sign was stark; but to try to blend in with the other, older signs in center would be a big mess. And a point to be considered is the property is up for sale. Member Gatto asked if there is a maximum of illumination on lit signs of this type. Director Yarborough said brilliance referred to in the Sign Ordinance, but you can specify the s the bulb and the goad taste of the sign. It is tip to the ju of the Committee as to degree of illumination, 0 if HC-32 Page 5 Motion died HC-32 Page 6 HC-51,260 approved as amended utes of the Architectural & Site Approval,Committee, May 5, 1971 Moved by Member Gatto, seconded by Member McLaren to approve.part of application HC--,51,260, amended as such to include only the existing sign, a maximum of150 watts of lighting, using existing electrical outlets.. AYES: Members Adams, Gatto, McLaren, Chairman Ryner NOES: Member Marques Motion -carried, 4-1 The applicant was informed that his application would come before the City Council on Monday, May 17, 1971. 6. Application HC-51,259.1 - Imperial Construction Company, 180 East Sunnyoaks Avenue, Campbell, Ca. 95008, requesting approval of site, architecture and sign for Figure Salon to be located in the Portal Plaza Shopping_ Center. (Loc. Map, Ex. 3) Ir. Roger Christianson, 180 East Sunnyoak, Building 3, Campbell, said ie represented the applicant. he Director of Public Works showed colored slides of the subject nd adjacent property. The landlord decided he wanted to keep all he glass on the front of the building rather than let the individuals hange the fronts of their stores. The applicant said the Tiffany Billiards sign will come down and the proposed sign will be lower. Dimensions of the sign are 3' x 18'. There are 20 feet between the big beams, and the sign will fit down between the beams. The internally -illuminated sign is one foot higher than the beams, and will sit on the canopy support. The Director of Public Works asked the Committee if they wished to set the scheme for any future signs for this shopping center. Member Adams asked on what position of the overhang this sign would set. He was told it would be one to one and one-half feet forward from the parapet. Kember Adams asked for more detail of the proposed sign.. The applicant said the silhouette figure would be black, the words "PRINCESS SALON" would be red, and the background would be white. Member Gatto asked the applicant if he would consider setting the sign down and bracketing it off the beams. The applicant said if the sign is lowered you would not be able to see a portion of it over the wide canopy. airman Ryner asked for comments from the audience. There were none. 0 40 0 • Minutes of the Architectural & Site Approval.Committee, May.5, 19711 Moved by Member Adams, seconded by Member.McLaren.to.close the Public Hearings. Motion carried, 5-0 Moved by Member Adams, seconded by Member Marques to recommend to the City Council application HC-51,259.1 for the Figure.Salon sign;i that portion of the application to be subject.to the following conditions: The 3' x 18' illuminated sign as presented per the plan shown, to be located on the canopy between the heavy beams, not to exceed 1' in height above those subject beams on the store front; and subject to the standard conditions -of H-Control and the plans submitted. AYES: Members Adams, Gatto, Marques, McLaren, Ryner NOES: None Motion carried, 5-0 4. HC-51,015.10 Moved by Member Adams, seconded by Member McLaren to continue application HC-51,015,10 to the next regular meeting since the applicant was not present. AYES: Members Adams, Gatto, McLaren, Ryner NOES: Member Marques Motion carried, 4-1 UNFINISHED BUSINESS 7. Report from Mr. Yarborough regarding condition attached by City Council to approval of Appl. HC-51,249.1, Federal Signs, for neon tubing window sign for Bessie's Delight. The Director of Public Works referred to the City Clerk's memo regarding "Bessie's Delight". He said he had nothing further to add. 8. Review of inquiries and requests directed to City staff relative to reported violations of H-Control regulations. Mr. George Ahamnos is still very ill and, on the advise of his doctor, was not able to appear before this body on this date. His wife called to confirm this. He does intend to remove the illegal structure. HC-32 Page 7 Public Hearings closed HC-51,259.1 approved with conditions HC-51, 01.5 .10 continued HC-3 2 Page 8 Minutes of the Architectural & Site Approval Committee, May 5, 1971 Moved by Member McLaren,'seconded by Member Adams to -recommend extension of Mr. George Ahamnos' case for a period of two weeks. Ahamnos AYES: Members Adams, Marques, McLaren, Chairman Ryner case NOES: None postponed ABSTAINED: Member Gatto Motion carried, 4-0-1 The staff was instructed to notify Mr. Ahamnos of this decision. 9. Status Report of H-Control Applications The Director of Public Works distributed copies of his Status of H-Control Applications Report from November 2, 1970 to April 7, 1971. 10. Underground Committee Actions Report The Director of Public Works said there will probably be a meeting next month and will keep the Committee informed. MMember Adams said he attended the Underground Utilit- meeting in mid -April. as Chairman of the Architectural and Site Approval Committee. Member Adams Chairman Ryner said, if there were no objections, he would like to to represent have Member Adams continue to attend these meetings. All Members Committee at concurred. 'Member Adams said this is a meeting that is required to Underground meet during the day, and in the event a conflict should occur he will Utilities snotify Chairman Ryner. meetings. Ill. Change in H-Control.Regulations Relative to Transfer of Approval of Change of Use The Director of Public Works said the City Attorney prefers to have a document regulating the City. Ordinances are enacted and become public jdocuments. Resolutions are changes to rules. There are two approaches: !Change the framework and keep it essentially as it is with ordinances rather than resolutions, or write a new ordinance that would be similar; would allow latitudes. The Director recommended the last approach. Chairman Ryner asked if any action was required of the Committee at this time. The Director said he would like time for the staff .to work out a set of alternatives for review-by,the Committee. Minutes of the Architectural & Site.Approval Committee, May 5, 1971I 12. Change in Architectural and Site Approval Committee Instructions Chairman Ryner advised the Committee Members to write down anything about the instruction sheet that bothers them so that it may be. discussed. I There followed a discussion of the results of the last City Council meeting. Mr. Meu's proposal for camoflaging the roof.apurtenances was not approved by the City Council_. They took extreme exception !, to this application and returned it to the H-Control. The City Council suggested the tower could be removed from the roof and placed on the ground. Member Adams felt it may be worth while to refer this to the City Attorney,'who can check previous decisions on similar cases and find out what legal grounds the Committee has ® for making demands on applicants; any previous cases in court regarding approval on a building where applicant states the apurtenances will not go above the parapet and when the building is built the apurtenances appear on the roof. NEW BUSINESS The Director of Public Works said applications are reviewed by the staff for completeness and accuracy and some advice is given. In most cases, the applicant takes the advice. The staff tries to steer the applicants in the right direction, based on previous action by the H-Control, Planning Commission and City Council. The staff leaves the quality and conditions almost wholly up to the H-Control. They don't want to conflict with the H-Control. The feeling of the staff is that they should not get involved in prejudging the applications. The Committee should not expect derogatory remarks in the staff reports. The Del Oro application was returned by the City Council to the H--Control Committee. The staff was concerned with the presenta- tion but the applicant was adamant. The Director of Public Works discussed alternatives: Possibly the elimination of the strip of driveway around the building so there would be more room for . landscaping, etc. It was suggested that the staff be more candid in their review of applications, as a guide for the Committee. Chairman Ryner said he would have no objections to the Director's making statements about the applications at the meeting if the Committee is missing something. Member Adams agreed with the Chairman, to urge the Director to make additional verbal comments during the hearings. The Director assured the Committee that they have the authority to require modifications on presentations. Member Adams commented that the 35mm slides tielp avoid mistakes. Across -the -street views would also be helpful. HC-32 Page 9 PW Market .referred to City Attorney iic-3 2 Page 10 Update agenda cover sheet Member Small recognition I Address list Phones Minutes'of the Architectural & Site Approval.Committee, May 5, 1971 Chairman Ryner requested a Minute Order to in the staff to change the cover sheet to reflect the changes in the seating arrange- ment of the Committee. MINUTE ORDER Moved by Member Adams, seconded by Member McLaren to instruct the staff to update the cover sheet.of the agenda. Motion carried, 5-0 Chairman Ryner requested a Minute Order to recommend appropriate recognition be given to former Committee Member Jim Small. MINUTE ORDER Moved by Member Adams, seconded by Member McLaren to recommend ap- propriate recognition be given former Committee Member Small. Motion carried, 5-0 Member Adams requested an updated address list, to include home and office phone numbers, as well'as an emergency phone number at City :gall to call. Director Yarborough said someone carp always be reached through the Water Department number or the Sheriff's Office. He said that we are going to get an automatic secretary to take recorded messages. He was also requested to see about getting the Chamber phone hooked up to a night line. ADJOURNMENT Moved by Member McLaren, seconded by Member Adams to adjourn the meeting at 9:20 P.M. (ATTEST: I/s/ 6dm. E. Ryder City Clerk Motion carried, 5-0 APPROVED: /s/ V.J. Adams, Jr. Chairman 0 •