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November 29th, 1972i CITY OF CUPERTINO, STATE OF CALIFORNIA 10300 Torre Avenue, Cupertino Telephones 252-4505 1 Hc-67 Page 1 MINUTES OF THE REGULAR 1,EETING OF THE ARCHITECTURAL AND SITE { APPROVAL COMMITTEE ON NOVEMBER 29, 1972.IN THE COUNCIL CHAMBER, CITY HALL, CUPERTINO, CALIFORNIA SALUTE TO THE. FLAG The meeting was called to order at 7:31 PM by Chairman Sargent with the Salute to the Flag® ROLL CALL 77qftembers, presents Dressler, KoerCitzer? McL-aren Sallan and ChairmanSargent Members absents None_ Staff presents Associate Planner Robert Cowan Recording Secretary Ruth Cox MINUTES OF THE PREVIOUS MEETING 1s Approval of Architectural and Site Approval' Minutes of Minutes of November 8, 1972. November 8, 197 approved as Member Koenitzer wished to add to the ,last sentence of paragraph amended 4, page.8, the following ... "in that the plants needed trimming , back"; Member Sallan moved, seconded by Member Koenitzer, to'approve the minutes as corrected.. Chairman Sargent abstained. Motion carried, 4-1-0 WRITTEN COMMUNICATIONS 2. None ORAL CO1.9UNICATIONS: 1 i 30 None PUBLIC HEARINGS 4. Application HC-51,088,14 - Hill Signs and ;Displays HC-•51,088 1:4 (Biomation) requesting approval of.a sign.plan.for a light moved to end of Industrial building located in the West Valley Industrial.' -agenda Park, Lot.16.a Member McLaren moved, seconded by Member Sallan, to move this'. application to the end of agenda since the applicant was not present, 11otion carr:i ed, . 5- 0 t I HC-67 Page 2 HC-51,088.15 - Sobrato-Berg Staff report Parking spaces 1 Grade lines Screening of Parking spaces ar panels of plain concrete (Demarcation 1Lawn extended MINUTES OF THE NOVETBER 29, 1972 H-CONTROL MEETING 5. Application HC-51,088.15 - Dennis Kobza (Sobrato-Berg) requesting approval of site, grading, architecture, landscaping, lighting and undergroun-ling of utilities for a light industrial building located in the !-lest Valley Industrial Park, Lot 15. Staff member Cowan said a vicinity map had been approved but not recorded. This proposal covers an 8 acre area onthe northeast corner of Bubb Road and McClellan Road. He showed slides of the plot maps, elevations and adjacent sites. He pointed out the tank farm and trash area in the rear of the building and noted this should be screened. Member Ioenitzer askey if the parking spaces would be sufficient. r. Cowan said when the applicant came in to record.the final map this would be checked. j:;r. Koenitzer noted there would be 70-100 parking spaces along street to be eliminated if the road is put in. Member Dressler questioned the grade lines shown on plot map. Mr. Cowan said the grading had been reviewed, and everything was established for the grading. :!ember Dressler said he wondered if lots 4 and 5 were to be filled or left low and Mr. Cowan said he understood they would be left low. Member Sallan said she was concerned about visual impact 'of future phase parking spaces off McClellan Road. Mr. Cowan noted there was no access to -McClellan :oad which had been a hardship on the developer. :Member Sallan said she had received calls from residents in area who were concerned and she thought the parked cars should be screened. I•Iember ,':cLaren suggested some screening,plants, foliage or trees, could be started now. ir. Cowan also showed slides of a colored rendering of building. He noted the building was constructed of tilt up panels of various textures. Zhe two-story building would be the administrative build- ing and the one story the manufacturing building. Member Koenitzer said he thought he thought the plain concrete panels on south side ;could be constructed of aggregate insets or something to match with ,panels in the two-story building. Member Sallan questioned whether there was anything in terms of demarcation on east boundary. Mr. Cowan said there was none as such, there was a drop in grade with parking two or three feet lower. Member Koenitzer said he felt that unless phase 2 were going to go in immediately the lawn area should be extended along south boundary of site. r. Carl Berg, 1208 I•Iclntosh, San --ose and Mr. dohn Sobrato, 96 sabella, Atherton then signed in. is e. MINUTES OF THE NOVEMBER 29, 1972 H-COLTTROL MEETING � HC-67 4 Page 3 l Mr. -Berg said there would be a berm along McClellan and parking Only tops of would be about 4' below present grade. Only the tops. of the cars to show cars would show as there would be about a 7' difference between from freeway the top of cars and McClellan. Roads Mr. Berg explained the site had been laid out to maintain Wish to maintai flexibility. If cDonald Douglas did not exercise their flexibility lease to enlarge within 2'years, the 'remainder of the Land would be divided into 4 or 5 other smaller tenantsa in a garden -like complex, Member Sallan asked Mr. Berg if he did not think it was reason- View from able of the committee to be concerned about view from. -the major major accesses accesses, Mr. Berg explained they did not want to go farther at considered this time but later would.be amenable; He said cost and upkeep III make it unreasonable now. Chairman Sargent noted there were no questionsregarding the SITE location of the building. Member Sallan asked the ratio of parking spacesaIr, Sobrato Parking space answered there were four cars for every 1,0.00 sq. feet which was ratio - 4 cars an absolute minimum which should be provided tenant. He noted per 1000 sgefta this ratio was comparable to Vallco Park requirement; Mr. Sobrato agreed with `Member Sallan that first phase die not L�1:� DSCAPZTdG have enough frontal landscaping, Member Sallan said she felt the exterior landscaping was important and Bubb Road should be more _planted. She felt the landscaping of the peripheries should be overemphasized including the easterly boundary. Mr..Sobrato explained anything done to the south would have to be redone upon expansion. Chairman..Sar ent asked if set back lines from building to street g g Set back lines 1 would be adequate in the event a street was ,put through,'and was adequate told .it would be adequate, The committee then discussed with the applicant plans for street and, parking in case McDonald -Douglas did not expand; . Member Koeni:tzer reiterated his feeling that 23'x23' of smooth ARCHITECTURE concrete wastoo much, Mr. Sobrato said they could rake the, surface of the concrete wall to match up with the other part of the buildings Member Sallan said ;she also felt there should be some kind of Panelstextured delineation of panels. Mr; Sobrato said the north walls"would and stained .be textured and delineated by stain, HC-67 MINUTES OF THE NOVE,IBER 29, 1972 H-CONTROL MEETING Page 4 Roof line gives Member Dressler noted the hip roof line to air-conditioning screen gave reverse angle a reverse angle. Mr. Sobrato said this was a 2x6 redwood and would not show from a distance. He showed the slide of existing building to north of same roof line. He said the redwood would be stained to match. It was Member Dressler's opinion also that the raked concrete would be preferable to the smooth. (Utilities ILIGHTING 2 additional pole lights needed Monterey pines to replace Bishop pines i Mr. Cowan reported the utilities are all underground. Mr. Sobrato said the lights would be wrought iron plexi-glass diffuser type fixtures such as used on existing building to north. There would be wall mounted fixtures, pole lights and ground lights. He said the post fixtures would not exceed 8'. There would.be lights in the plant- ing on the north side of 150 PAR spot lights approximately 1' high and focused at building. Chairman Sargent noted there appeared to be a need for two more pole lights on the north side. :(ember McLaren noted applicant had been asked to double trees along the freeway boundary. The plans called for Bishop pines, but Chairman Sargent suggested 11ionterey pines, 20' centered. Asphalt depress- zember Dressler questioned a depression of asphalt along the southerly ion for drainage and easterly sides of the building and was informed this was for drainage to get the water away from the building. Visual impact from 1:lcClellan Ro ad Public Hearing closed. 1 Committee (comments In answer to a question by ..ember Sallan, 11r. Sobrato said the grade at the west entrance from street level to lawn was 323 to top of curb and 322 to top of slab with a 3' mounding from street. .;ember Sallan said she felt someone should be responsible at this point of time to put in landscaping alone boundary seen frooi McClellan -Road, and that future developments be planned so that property closest to main street be developed first and proceed from the interior on later phases. lmber Koenitzer suggested extending grass along south side pending construction of phase 2. Mr. Sobrato said in lieu of mounding and sprinkler lines, water meters, etc. they would extend lawn area and put in 4 trees. Chairman Sargent announced this was a Public Hearing and invited questions or comments from the audience. There were none. ,:Mmber Koenitzer moved, seconded by Member 'HcLaren, that Public Hearings be closed. Motion carried, 5-0 Member McLaren felt it would be a hardship to do anything toward landscaping McClellan Road now. Chairman Sargent said he felt the applicants had done a good job generally speaking. • r MINUTES OF THE NOVE BER 29, 1972 H-CONTROL MEETING HC--67 Pa e 5 g Member Koenitzer moved to recommend approval of HC-51,08$015 with HC-51,0$$,15 standard H-Control conditions, exhibits A, B, B-1 and-C, with i approved w/_ additional conditions that two light standards be provided in conditions, north parking lot, ground cover planting be extended along southern edge of parking and that 3 or 4 trees be put in the ground cover area and that the trees on the easterly boundary be Monterey pines on 20' centers. MemberDresslerseconded the motion. AYES: Members Dressler, Koenitzer, McLaren. and Chairman Sargent NOES: 'Member Sallan Motion carried, 4-1 and would nt noted application had been approved� Chairman Sargent come before the City Council on December 4, 1972, 6e Application HC-51,230,7 - Federal Sign and Signal HC-51,230,7 Corporation (P -TSupermarket) requesting approval of a PW Supermarket sign plan fora commercial building located at the northwest corner of Homestead Road -and Saratoga-; Sunnyvale Roado S'taf'f .Me-mb'zr Cowan ,note-d this application -was Tor 3 additional Staff report building signs on existing PW Market and a free standing pole C sign on Homestead Road; The pole sign would be a combination shopping center and tenant sign, Dire Cowan showed.slides of i proposed signs and area.being.consideredo He explained a lot. line makes it technically legal to have two pole signs,. Payless I already having a pole sign. However, the sign -as presented is i not legal as shopping center sign is not allowed. He also noted Adk no more than 2 signs per building is .allowed, In answer to a question by Member Koenitzer as to whether .this area was PD zoned, f Mr. Cowan said it was conditional zoning, Mr. Pete Peterson of Federal Sign and Signal Corporation signed in. Exception to --Chairman Sargent explained the signs as presented were.illegal and j'sign ordinance would have to be approved cinder exception to sign ordinance, Mr. Peterson said the signs under canopy on building were very Presentation small, single face and non -illuminated. He noted they were to identify ;the difference services being offered in the PW Market. building such as.the cleaners which is not part of the market; He said his client's intent was to create and help establish criteria for the center. Mr. Peterson said he was not aware of any plans .for additional Unaware -of development ,and felt he should have been informed. .planned addition, I HG-67 image 6 Ordinance must be adhered to IHow to identify area Application calls for exception 'Opposed to canopy signs One sign to identify area Opposed ,IINUTES OF THE N0%'L'1BL1x' 299 1972 r CU;NTI:OL :EETING ,Member LcLaren said she felt the other tenants tied in with the market .should have individual identification, but the ordinance has to be 'adhered to and the committee's hands were tied at this point. Hr. Peterson noted there were two stores, Payless and Ptv Supermarket, :and five undeveloped units and wondered how they were to identify themselves. ::e felt the Homestead Square sign would identify the area. Chairman Sargent said a conclusion should be reached. The committee ,must adhere to the sign ordinance so application would have to come under an exception to the sign ordinance. He noted the signs are not acceptable because th::re is a shopping center identification on individual property and too many signs hanging on building on other ,part of the application. Member Koenitzer said he was opposed to under canopy signs since Payless could then coma in and ask for separate :signs for their ;liquor, camera, etc. He suggested the Homestead Square be eliminated from pole sign and the PW Market dropped on base. '_•lember Sallan suggested perhaps Staff could work out one sign for ,area that would be a pole or ground sign that could be an identify- ing sign of area. Member -icLaren also expressed opposition to canopy signs. Member Dressler said the "Super" in Superr.•.ark-t connoted all the other services available. As to pole sibs, he commented that from appearance standpoint a commercial property could have pole signs looking like telephone poles. Options noted Chairman Sargent said he :aas also opposed to canopy signs as it could open too many doors. Ile saki with regard to opinions expressed by the committee, the applicant could continua his application and notify his client the majority of the committea would not accept under canopy signs and did not feel_ P', sign as proposed was acceptable. lie told the applicant he could request a continuance or he could request a vote on the matter and the commit:tre would then form a resolution and it would go before the City Council. Vote requested i`Ir. Peterson said he wanted the vote taken and he would then go before City Council. Alternative 14r. Cowan suggested perhaps a pole sign could be allowed until the shopping center is opened. Pressure for Chairman Sargent noted that perhaps denying the sign would put pressure s�c.ceptable sign !on them to come up with an acceptable sign for the shopping center ,that would identify all businesses. • a 'MINUTES OF THE 'NOVENBER 29, 1972 H-CO vTROL MEETIING Member Koenitzer said this is one shopping center, even though subdivded, including Payless and PW, Member Dressler noted Goodyear was denied a pole sign. a Chairman Sargent asked for comzents from the audience. There were noneo Member Koenitzer moved, seconded by Member Sallan, that Public , Public Hearings, Hearings be closedo closed i Member Sallan moved to recommend denial of Application HC-519 �. HC--51,231e7 231.7. Seconded by Member Koenitzer, ++ 'l Denied AYES: 'Members Dressler, Koenitzer, Sallan and Chairman Sargent NOES: Member McLaren - Mlotion passed, 4-1 Chairman Sargent suggested to applicant that he should contact .Planning Department immediately to find out what steps are 1 necessary to appeal this. He also advised him it would be to his client's advantage.to other other drawings. He then notified Mr. Peterson this would come before the City Council on December 4.1 4, Application hC-51,088,14 - Hill Signs and misplays HC--51,088,14 (Biomation) Biomation Staff :member Cowan noted this request. is, for a ground. sign Sign on mound located on the side of a mound. Drawings describe application as being on level terrain. He suggested perhaps sign could be shifted to the north. When Chairman. Sargent inquired as to planting around .sign, Mir, Juniper around Cowan said it called for a low growth; such as junipers° sign r_ember McLaren noted that visibility of ingress ` and egress was of Visibility concern, concern Mr. Ron hiastel,:755Chestnut Street, San Jose, said that Staff m 1' froground Report had emphasized 2' ordinance, but since sign is only 2-1j2' correct propor-- tall and.the pedestal is 2' so proportionately 1' from ground is tionately correct, Member Koenitzer indicated he felt it was a nice sign, Mr. Mastel' Gold leaf said the lettering was , of gold leaf with a,10 year guarantee on a redwood shadow box so there was no 'back side to sign. He said the concrete.base was in keeping with building,. i! HC-67 MINUTES Or THE NOVA': L'L'R 29, 1972 H-CONTROL MEETING l Wage b I Beige concrete 'Member Sallan said she felt the base would look better if it were base colored beige to match concrete on building. i Damages possibil-'When questioned about scratching or damage, Mr. "LIastel said this was ity no problem jpossible, but the letters are maintained in reverse and can be dupli- cated with no problem. ;_old foliage ;Chairman Sargent agreed a yellow-gol-d color concrete base would be ;,ceded `more attractive. A stipulation should be for a low foliage around {the sign. Planning Department should review later to sea if sign 4should be raised or foliage cut. `Chairman Sargent announced this was a Public Hearing and asked for ;comments from audience. Them were none. -,ublic Hearings �,Iembsr Dressler moved, seconded by Plember McLaren, to close Public closed ,clearings. 088.14 Member Sallan moved to approve application HC-51,088.14 with standard approved w/ �I-Control conditions, exhibits A anc. B attached, with two stipulations. conditions ',(1) the foliage beneath the sign be of a low nature, and (2) the Concrete slab base be the same color as existing building concrete. I i XZES: Dressler., Koenitzer, I1cLaren, Sallan and Chairman Sargent 'VOES: Nona 1 I"iot _on carried, 5-0 f Chairman Sargent told applicant this would appear before the City Louncil December 4. UNFINISHED BUSINESS i "zasurax modifi-ii,ir. Cowan reported that Measurex had asked for a modification of cation approved '.building design. He than showed proposed change in plans to the MCommittee. The Co-mmitta-e- unanimously agreed to change. Sandpiper sign Chairman Sargent noted the Sandpiper Restaurant would be before the sst for 6 months;Conliaittee again wh n developer for center applied in approximately 6 months. Toint meeting ;:ember Sallan suggested that joint :Heating b tween the Planning Commission after holidays land H-Control be held after the holidays. The Committee agreed this would zbe better. Sign ordinance Mr. Cowan said that due to heavy work load, Air. Sheppard had not report -zen able to get sign ordinance retort out. :Member Koenitzer isuggested a study of maximum intenEity levels of light in signs !should be added. • I14INUTES OTE OVEMBER 291972 H-CONTROL MEETING , Member Sallan reported that violating health food store sign had been changed to read "open every night until Christmas" but was still in saran spot. iro Cowan said he would attend to this; ° Member Sallan questioned whether such severe pruning of trees in Vallco Park at Wolfe and Stevens Creek Roads had been wise when there was the potential dang-r of root damage because of construction activity. Mr. Cowan said he did not know if the City maintained those trees or if they were privately maintained,.; He would check this. i Hamber Sallan had also noticed that a change of copy had been mada on the Barklay Bank C___ter sign approved. She said the word' Center had been replaced with the.Las Pavillion again, Member_ Sallan reported the Mexican Restaurant which had been notified of larga paver signs being in violation -was still exhibiting them. _;r. Cowan said t:iis would 'De 1-..apt under advis Z:ii ant 1ambnr Dressler mov d, 'conded by Member Sallan, that zreetio - be as j o u_r..-Jad at 111.0.10 P `. APPROVED: T.. T)nn RarpPnt- HC-67 Paue 9 Sign in violation Tres at corner of Wolfe and Stevens Cre-ak Road : Unauthorized change of copy 1%,le-,xican _ r staurant ADJ'OUP NIEYT