November 21st, 1973a
CITY OF CUPERTINO
10300 Torre Avenue, Cupertino
Telephone. 252-4505
MINUTES OF THE REGULAR MEETING OF THE ARCHITECTURAL AND SITE APPROVAL
COMMITTEE OF NOVEMBER 21, 1973 IN THE COUNCIL CHAMBER.,- CITY HALL,
CUPERTINO, CALIFORNIA.
SALUTE TO THE FLAG
The meeting was, opened. at 7.45 p.m. by Vice -Chairman Sallan with the
Salute to the Flag.
ROLL CALL
Members present.
Members absent.
Staff present.
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Dressler, Koenitzer, Weinstein and Vice --Chairman
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Sallan
Chairman McLa ren
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Associate Planner Robert Cowan
Recording Secretary Ruth'Cox
APPROVAL OF MINUTES [['
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Minutes of Regular Meeting of November 7, 1973 4
On: page 8, paragraph 3, Member Koenitzer wished the last sentence to
read as follows. "Member Koenitzer asked about lighting and it was j
explained there are 8 standards in the parking lot with additional -
lights on the building".
On the same page, paragraph 5, 68' should be changed. to 68" .
On the same page under .condition (1) of motion, Member Koenitzer wished
to delete the words "with wheelchairs".
On page 14, paragraph 4, Member Koenitzer wished the last senten.ce.to,
read ".,..; i.e. nothing over the ambient level of 50-53 decibels:"'
On page 18, Member Koenitzer noted the next regular meeting date was
November 21.
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.Member Weinstein moved o approve , 1973 as �.
corrected. Seconded by Member Koenitzer.
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POSTPONEMENTS: None
WRITTEN CO:,L IUNICATIONS : None
ORAL CO1ILTICAl'IOdS: it;c - Weinstc in reported he had had a call from a
1 Mrs. Ellenor Katie on Vista !,noll conc�,rr_ed abort slrioke. emanating
from Permanente. She wondered if tl,.(? City has lookod into the composition
of the smoke to determine :if it is ste,-m or pollutant. Staff member Cowan
said the Bay Area Air Pollution Control District laas the responsibility to
see certain standards are met. The ,-a:E:E would research and a letter would
be written to Mrs. Kane, Vice-Chai i�iai Sallan suggested contacting Mr.
Calvo who is on the Board of Supervisors and also on Bay Area Control
District. Member Koeni_tzer noted Cliai=man icLar n �•;ould have information
I on this also.
PUBLIC HEARINGS:
1. Application HC-51,296.2 of riob's Big Boy Family Restaurant
represented by P.o,)ert E. Ea'cin requesting approval of light-
ing for a restaurant facility located at the Southwest corner
of Alves Drive and Saratoga--Sun.n--val_e Road, Continued from
H-Control meeting of Novemb-r 7, 1973.
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Vice -Chairman Sallan said she had an item from the City Council regarding
the landscaping portion of this application. Tiie core , ttee agreed to dis-
cuss this .ite, concurrently wLth the 1-gliti.ng.
Staff report: Associate Pl<nl,,er Co,Ta- called attention to the staff report
whici indi,c<__ted they felt Bob's 34_�; 'o-, had time to present alterna-
Lives for ll.t,'''.:t1Ilg sL-ardu?rJL3 to tiIc:COY r Vl ?, L10 r' said 11r Lakin
had indicated Bob's h i_g Bay would be :;i liin g to utilize Tvayerhauser poles
but because of other probl. ,;ns ,ias as : ir_g for a different fixture. The
staff had contacted lir. Bo;'d (Bunk o still wa.nte.d to use
the other fixture as they felt it re aced particularly well to his build-
ng. Mr. Cowan said the ASf`,C ? culd �.�;e to decide if the fixtures should
be uniform.
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Member Weinstein sal.d lie t'iought tlno IV yerhauser poles were not ava'Llalble.
The Associate Planner said according tc their information the poles could
be obtained.
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Mr. Robert Eakin, 22270 Kendle Streo -, Cupertino, said he ,.could prefer the
straight pole, but if the cor,:m4-ttee usi.ated, they, would agree to the curved
pole. Their preference of a fl'_t i,_ rather than the spliere was because the
flat .lamp directed the light do-anwar,i only, not outward and upward as the
bulb would.
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Member Weinstein again expressed his desire to have a quantative Ca
measurement of lighting. He said he would prefer to go with the
committee's original choice, Member Koenitzer said he preferred
to stay with the guidelines proposed. Vice -Chairman Sallan said
what the committee was after was uniqueness aesthetically .oriented.
and this seemed to be a step in that direction.
Mr. Eakin said this light would be much brighter than those at the
Bumbleberry in that it had mercury vapor lights. He answered Vice -
Chairman Sallan that the only other alternative was sodium which
created a, yellowish light,
The Associate Planner noted that in selecting the lighting for this
quadrant further study should have been made of the intensity and
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efficiency of, proposed lighting. Vice -Chairman Sallan suggested
getting further input. Member Weinstein felt the committee should
go along with the original proposal until they saw it and if it
was too bright, the .bulbcould. be changed. Member Koenitzer ascer-
tained the lights would not burn out for a period of perhaps 5 years.;
Mr. Eakin suggested checking with the supplier to see if they would
change fixtures if they were not satisfactory. He said another late
development was that,if the round fixtures were to -be used; they
would like.to move them back into the planter area. The committee
felt this would be a better location.
Vice -Chairman Sallan noted this was a Public Hearing.and opened the
meeting to comments from the audience'. There were none.
Member Weinstein moved, seconded by Member Koenitzer, to close Public
Hearings,
Motion carried, 4-0
Member Weinstein moved to approve lighting application' of; HC-51,296.2, HC-51,296.2
Bob's Big Boy Family Restaurant.. The lighting standard to be -used is approved
the Weyerhauser,curved standard with the 10 line sphere. The light
standard itself is to be moved to the planter area. Further, after
completion of the project that the intensity of illumination is subject;
to review in that if it is too bright, this ,might be a sub'ect of
further discussion with the applicant looking toward the possibility
of -a change in the lighting. Seconded by Member Koenitzer.
AYES: Members Dressler, Koenitzer, Weinstein and Vice -Chairman Sallan:
NOES: None
Motion carried, 4-0
The applicant was notified this would be heard at the December 11,
1973 City Council meeting.
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Vice -Chairman Salllan then referred to the landscaping portion of the appli-
cation which was returned by the City Council. She said the ASAC needed
to send on to the City Council some clear statement of philosophy regard-
ing landscaping.intent.
Staff report: Mr. Cowan said the City Council was concerned about the
lack of policy regarding street tre. s in part. He and staff member Kramer
had contacted local nurserymen and a representative of Saratoga Horticulture
Society. The staff has attempted t:a set up a meeting with the committee and
nurserymen and horticulturists to tall" about standards. This would require
several weeks. There are a number of variables - different growth rate for
different species of trees, etc. Tic: committee needs to have an understand-
ing of the disadvantages and advantages of planting different size street
trees. He also suggested the committee should look at cost impacts. He
referred to Vice -Chairman Sailan's .-ji.ideli_nes of performance standards
for major frontage landscaping, a copy of which was given to Mr. Eakin.
The Associate Planner said the committee should come up with some type
of decision for Bob's Big Loy since they were anxious to proceed. The
basic plant in question ,,7as the xylosma on periphery at 6' spacing.
The ideal spacing according to nurserymen was 5' or 6'.
Vice -Chairman Sallan then explained the reasoning behind her suggested
guidelines. The landscaping along I Lghway 9 ,:as of particular concern
to the committee. She read her guic"_elines and explained their intent.
Member Koenitzer suggested evergreen trees under paragraph 4, item a,
of guidelines should be both broadleaf and coniferous trees.
A discussion of the changes made by --he City Council then ensued.
Ilember Weinstein said lie ;%,as dismay ld that the Council had changed their
recommendations. He was also disma"ad that the Council had asked for
their recommendations since he felt t1ic corm-nittoe `s motion gave their
recommendations. He agreed 6' spacing of xylosma was adequate but felt
other items were reasonable.
Mayor Keith Irwin said the idea in :,ending the application back to the
ASAC was two -fold. (1) I-Ir. Coleman :iad said conditions were added
after the Public hearing was close i, and (2) the 3' spacing was too
close. He also indicated the Counc .1 decision had not been a unanimous
one. There had been discussion as o ,inether 5-gallon trees did better
than 15-gallon trees. One' problem ..eemed to be that conditions changed
without notice. It was !,is intent �.'.iaL rules be laid out so that
applicants will know exactly what p�:r_ forniance standards are required.
An ordinance must be written to shop exactly what is wanted. He gave
the Council's thinking.
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Vice -Chairman Sallan said she did not feel the committee's decision (.
had been an arbitrary one. There was an aesthetic and philosophical
intent to beautify the city. She asked if their earlier recommends- is
tions could be sent back to the Council with philosophy. Mr. Cowan k
.pointed out' the only thing referred was street tree size and spacing. C
Member Koenitzer suggested deferring discussion of philosophy since r
there were other applicants waiting.
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Councilman Robert W. Meyers said ?iernber Koenitzer's understanding of
approval at Council level was correct. All approval was granted
except for items 2, 7.and 8, street trees and on center location of
plants. The reason they were given the go-ahead was so they could gett
planting done in time for opening. After that time period there It
would be only the street tree installations and perhaps addition
of xylosma. Sending it back to the Council_ would not do any good
now. He agreed there should be stringent requirements. He would
like to see large specimen trees along major thoroughfares. The
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overall city picture would -have to be revised if all street trees
were required to be 15-gallon size. He gave the basic policy of 4
the city.
Mr. Cowan answered Member Koenitzer that there were 3 parcels still
privately owned on .this stretch of Saratoga -Sunnyvale Road. He did
not think Liquidamb ar trees were appropriate as street trees for
this area. Mr. Cowan said Mr. Coleman was not sure what the final
land use would be for Highway 9 between Homestead and Stevens Creek.
There is a need for a wide buffering strip. Staff is going to
recommend Mr. Coleman work out over-all street pattern and tree
plan for this areas There was a brief discussion .of this area.
Vice -Chairman. Sallan and Member Weinstein reiterated their preference
for 15-gallon trees as recommended in items 2 and 7. Mr. Eakin said
his preference was based.on the recommendation of six bidders who
said that 5-gallon trees would be healthy and grow to heighth in two
or three years. He pointed out they have less than one acre of
property. Because of the removal of sidewalks and installation of
meandering sidewalks, 30' of landscaping on Saratoga -Sunnyvale Road
and 20' on Alves Street side, plus landscaping around building, the
cost is already over $15,000.
Vice -Chairman Sallan said she was aware of. the .economics of landscap-
ing but she thought the aesthetics justified the economics.
The meeting was then opened for comments from the audience. There
were none.
Member Koenitzer moved to close Public Hearings. Member Dressler
seconded the motion. `
Motion carried, 4-0
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HC-51,296,2
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w/ changer
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Hill Signs,
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Member Koenitzer moved that condition 2 be changed to read two 5-gallon
evergreens either broadleaf or coniferous be substituted for two Liquid-
ambar trees on Saratoga -Sunnyvale Rcad; that condition 7 be dropped and
Rhuslencea would be in accordance with plans which was 5 gallon; that
condition 8 be dropped. After stressing these conditions applied to the
Bob's Big Boy application only and would not be policy setting, Member
Weinstein seconded the motion.
AYES: Members Dressler, Koenitzer and Weinstein
NOES: Vice -Chairman Sallan
:Motion carried, 3-1
2. Application HC-51,075.171 of Hill Signs and Displays requesting
approval of a sign plan for American Microsystems, Inc. located
at the southwest corner of Forge Drive and Swallow Street.
Staff report: The Associate Planner said this was a routine application
which involved signing on two small streets in Vallco Park not open to
public view. The sign is to be placed on existing sign standard on.site,
and is technically correct. It wculd be earthtone with gold letters.
Slides were shown of existing sign and site.
After determining the applicant was not in the audience, Vice -Chairman
Sallan opened the hearing to comments from the audience. There were none.
Member Koenitzer moved, seconded b Member Weinstein, to close Public
Hearings.
i4otion carried, 4-0
Member Koenitzer moved to recommend approval to City Council of applica-
tion HC-51,075.171 of American Microsystems, Inc., subject to standard
conditions and Exhibits F and F-1. Seconded by Member Dressler
AYES: Members Dressler, Koenitzer, Weinstein and Vice -Chairman Sallan
NOES: None
Motion carried, 4-0
This application will be heard bef;,r the City Council at its December 11,
1973 meeting.
Recess At 9:10 p.m. Vice -Chairman Sallan called a recess with the meeting
reconvening at 9:25 p.m.
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3. Application HC-51,283.4 of Stoneson Development Corporation
requesting approval of site, architecturure, landscaping,
grading and signing for The Oaks Shopping Center located at
the northwest corner of Mary Avenue and Stevens Creek
Boulevard.
Staff report: The Associate Planner showed slides of site, pointing ,I
out areas that would be under special scruti. y. Regarding the site
plan, previous action involving use permit approval was .based on
different landscaping. A revised plan has been submitted. The
Planning Commission and City Council in talking about beautifying
Stevens Creek Road had suggested bike paths and a minute order asked j
staff to investigate bike lanes with bicycle movements integrated in
site. Staff concluded bike lane would be difficult to achieve without
sacrificing landscaping or parking spaces. He distributed drawings
of four possible solutions. Mr. Cowan said the Director of Public
Works felt there should be a space between the sidewalk and the
bike lane.
Mr.. Cowan pointed out there is a bike lane on the De Anza side of
Stevens Creek Boulevard and differentiated between.the terms "lane"
and "path", noting what was desired on the shopping center side was E
a path for bicycles.' After pointing out problems that might be
incurred, such as there being too many uses involved which would
prohibit the city from insisting on bicycle paths along the entire
frontage ofStevensCreek Boulevard, Mr. Cowan noted it might not be t
feasible or desirable but the potential of bike paths should be
evaluated.
Member Weinstein expressed his concern that landscaping existing on
the Sandpiper site did not cover or even screen cars.
In answer to Member Koenitzer, Mr. Cowan said the elevations of
buildings could not be completely submitted, as the owners did not
know who the users would be. What was submitted were typical eleva-
tions that would be used. Member Koenitzer said he would like more
detailed renderingof buildings as he had. no feeling for over-all
appearance with what was submitted.
Member Weinstein ascertained from Vice -Chairman Sallan that all sign—
ing would be handled at the same time.
Mr. Cowan reported the staff felt there should be provisions for
short stalls in the parking lot.
Mr. Arthur Schumacher, 3150 20th Avenue, San Francisco, representative
for Stoneson Development Corporation, said -he was concen-ied about
safeness of bicycle path at two points: (1) movement of traffic on
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Stevens Creek Boulevard trying to jet on the freeway and (2) movement of
traffic onto Mary Avenue into shopping center. ilember Koenitzer noted
these hazards existed whether there were bicycle paths or not.
Mr. Schumacher said the Sandpiper only leases the building from Stoneson
Development Corporation; the grounds .are maintained by the Corporation.
Mr. Page of Bakke/Page, 20430-J To,�•.n Center Lane, said one thing should
be clarified. They had submitted a complete colored rendering of all
buildings 2-1/2 years ago and the City still had them. They were approved
and the only change is the addition of the theater. Mr. Cowan advised
that actual building for balance of center had not been approved.
Member Weinstein asked about the possibility of extending width of
landscaping area so bike path could be added and still keep necessary
parking spaces. Mr. Page said. they were at City's required limits now
and nothing could be moved.
The Associate Planner suggested delaying on this aspect until a written
report could be made.
Mr. David Heldt of Browne/Heldt Associates, 730 .Montgomery Street,
San Francisco, landscape architect, said they had 12' to work with
so he would suggest that it was not necessary to have complete separa-
tion of sidewalk and bike path. If the existing sidewalk were to be
widened to 8' or 9', this would accomodate both pedestrians and bike
riders and leave about 8' for landscaping. He then spoke to drainage
situation. He said planting at same level as sidewalk would provide
screening. Vice -Chairman Sallan ascertained the grade separation
would be- a maximum of 2-1/3' to 3' .
Member Weinstein asked aL)out area is front of Sandpiper. Restaurant.
Mr. Heldt said it was 10' with landscaping and sprinkler system. He
felt this 1.0' would be adequate for bicycle path.
Member Dressler asked about bike 1<re along Stevens Creek Boulevard
when Stevens Creek widen` d to 8 lams. Mr. Co-aa_n said 14r. Glenn
Griggof the staff was strongly bias -id against combining bicycle and
pedestrian sidewalks.
Vice -Chairman Sallan asked about na -row_ing car lanes to allow for
bicycle lane. She said she was uncom.Cortable with application.
She enumerated her reasons for feel-_n;; a. continuation was in order.
Mr. Cowan pointed out that bicycle siti_iati.on had come up At City level
only two days ago.
After further discussion, Vice -Chai.rm., .n Sallan pointed out other problems
in site, archi tecture. and signing.
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Member Koenitzer questioned having break in all roofs except the
theater's. Mr. Page said it would be virtually hidden by the adja-
cent two.story building and explained why this slope was needed.
Vice -Chairman Sallan asked if applicant could bring a more detailed
drawing of the theater. Member Koenitzer said he would like to see
drawings of all, four elevations of theater.; also other buildings,
Mr. Page said they had working drawings of all buildings but theater
and these would be submitted.
Vice-Chairman.Sallan said she had suggestons on.landscapng.but did
not feel at this point she could give specifics, Member Weinstein
said trees on 100' centers were not sufficient.
In discussing mounding, Mr. Heldt said mounding was not a practical
thing. Member Koenitzersaidhe felt 2'.of,mounding could be gotten
on the 12'"frontage° Member Weinstein.noted that.sufficient screen-
ing of cars is a necessity. 3' mounding with 2' shrubs should be
adequate. Mr. Heldt pointed out they would be. dropping parking lot
because of drainage from buildings. He was not sure that cars -were
not wanted to be seen; it should look like a commercial development.
to be successful.
Vice -Chairman Sallan felt it -would be useful to provide guidelines.
The essential point is this is different from interior of property.
Those cars abusing sidewalk should not be seen.
It was ascertained screening landscaping would 'strive for 100%
elimination of automobiles around periphery.' Vice -Chairman Sallan .
said she would like the app.licants_to receive a copy of her guideline
Mr. Page asked if they could address themselves to the theater sign.
as the whole development centered around the theater.
Member Koenitzer inquired if;there would be any further pruning of
Oak trees on site. When Mr. Heldt said no, Member Koenitzer said
he felt that some of the branches mi.bh.t .be trimmed. Mr.- Heldt said
this was one reason for single level buildings.
Mr. Heldt asked if -there was an injury related to bicycle path, who
would be responsible.' Mr. Cowan said he assumed the City would
assume responsibility.
Vice -Chairman Sallan summarized three concerns of the committee.
(1) Relative to bicycle path., the applicant should work with staff
to provide a reasonable solution or alternative. (2)- Relative to
architecture, the applicant should provide. more detailed plans.
(3) Relative.'to landscaping, the applicant should consider guide-
lines relative to, screening of cars along Stevens Creek Boulevard
and Mary Avenue frontage.
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Member Weinstein said since the lighting is a continuation of that used at
Sandpiper, this was satisfactory. member Koenitzer agreed.
Member Dressler moved to continue application HC-51,283.4 to permit the
applicant to re -present entire site, architecture, landscaping and grading
plans. Member Koenitzer seconded the motion.
AYES: Members Dressler, Koenitzer, Weinstein and Vice -Chairman Sallan
NOES: None
Motion carried, 4-0
Relative to signing, Mr. Cowan said the sign program is a straight forward
one. The applicant is asking for a blanket approval for the shop signs
which will be a maximum size of 18 sq. ft. All signs for the shops are
within the Sign Ordinance.
Member Weinstein said he had no objection to the size of the signs.
He questioned why,since the architecture is Spanish motif, the interior
signing is illuminated red and -,diite. He questioned the necessity of
lighting on interior signing. The Planning Commission has made note of
their concern of signing and he would suggest a toning down of colors.
Vice -Chairman Sa.11an said she had similar concerns and said she thought
white with brown letters might be better. `lember Koenitzer noted there
would be security lighting around building and expressed concern with
intensity of lighting.
Member Weinstein moved to amend motion to continue application to include
signing. Seconded by Member Dressler.
AYES: Members Dressler, Koenitzer, Veinstein and Vice -Chairman
NOES: None
Amendment carried, 4-0
Staff member Cowan suggested the core-ittee give the applicant some
direction with regard to the theater. It is the major tenant, and
thus is usually given some leeway.
Member Weinstein said his major concern is the large ground sign
although he realizes the theater must have a large ground sign. The
actual signing on theater could be small.
Mr. Roy Cooper, 988 Market Street, San Francisco, theater representative,
said without adequate signing there could be no theater. He noted this
theater is behind a building on Ste�,ens Creek Boulevard. They had wanted
4 lines for each of the three theatcrs, but had compressed the request to
3 lines to keep signing down to 20' which is within the Sign Ordinance.
The marquee is their shoircase. The reader board could not be too low
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because of vandalism. The wall sign would be the same as the others
in the. center.. Member Weinstein said he understood Mr. Cooper's need
but the difficulty.is the size,
4. Application HC-51, 283.41. of Stoneson Development Corporation
requestingexception to Section. 6.13 of the Sign Ordinance
to allow the installation of two additional -signs for The
Oaks Shopping Center located at the.northwest corner of
Mary Avenue and Stevens Creek Boulevard.
Staff report:. By City Ordinance Stoneson Development Corporation is
allowed one sign on Mary Avenue.and one on Stevens Creek Boulevard„
The request is for one shopping center sign 'plus -two ground signs.
Vice -Chairman Sallan noted that different sections of the Sign
Ordinance say different things.
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Mr. Cowan answered Member Weinstein that the Sandpiper Restaurant's
intention was to leave the sign as it is, and actually should have
been included on agenda.
Mr. Schumacher said he does not approve of sign as it exists. It is
illuminated by spots that protrude from the ground. He was 'consider-
ing having the lights dropped into the ground,
Member Koenitzer gave a brief background of the Sandpiper sign to
Member Weinstein.
Vice-Chairman-Sallan said the committee should discuss whether they
feel there are certain _uses that warrant separate signing. She felt'
the theater. :marquee would certainly be included in this consideration.
Mr. Page said he felt one ground sign rather than two wall signs on
Sandpiper Restaurant was preferable,.. Member Dressler, . noting that
sign went in on temporary permit, asked if Sandpiper would want to
have sign permanently.
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Member Weinstein wanted to. know what Sandpiper would come up with if
ground sign was denied. Mr. Cowan: said they could be allowed two
signs on the building. Member Weinstein said his major concern was
the theater sign and he asked if there was any other concept .that'
could be explored, Mr, Cooper said he did not know of any other
alternative except changing sign itself or changing color of bank
ground. They had already cut .sign down.
Mr. Ron Whitcanact, 110 N. 3rd Street, San Jose, representing the
Sandpiper Restaurant, said he did not think the ordinance had taken
into consideration the theater. They do need this type of. sign.
Relative to the Sandpiper, there is a division between the Sandpiper
and the center) Other restaurants have their own signs. The S`andpipe
is a credit to the community and the signs on the wall would detract
from the building,
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Member Weinstein said he would encourage Mr. Cooper to find some alternative
for the 20' sign. He feels The Oaks is an excellent sign. He would like to
continue this signing to allow for more exploring. Mr. Schumacher said he
was willing to ask the architect and designers to attempt to re-evaluate
all the signs and resubmit them. i!e hoped the committee understood the
theater is predicated on getting adequate signing.
Member Koenitzer questioned the length of The Oaks sign.
Vice -Chairman Sallan noted the committee seemed to be in agreement that
adequate use of theater in a center seems to warrant a sign. It is the
design that is of concern.
Member Weinstein moved to continue application HC-51,283.41. Member
Koenitzer seconded the motion.'
AYES: Members Dressler, Koenitzer, Weinstein and Vice -Chairman Sallan
NOES: None
Motion carried, 4-0
UNFINISHED BUSINESS:
5. Landscaping modification -or McDonnell -Douglas building on
Bubb Road.
Staff report: The Associate Planner said this was a result of the new program
to compare site to approved plans. There were some difference between the
approved plans and the installations, here were two primary differences.
Live Oak trees around the periphery were changed to Elm trees and Jasmine had
been substituted by ivy.
Vice -Chairman Sallan expressed concern these changes were made without
consulting the City.
Mr. J. Sobrato, 2775 Middlefield Road, Palo Alto, noted they had been
subject to what was available. He re Cerred• to the freeze last year
which rendered certain plants unavailable in California. He explained
the reason for changing from Live Oak trees to Elms was that lawn would
not be a suitable ground cover as the watering caused root disease. So
they had changed to Elm trees.
Under questioning by the committee, Mr. Sobrato noted that the Elm trees
were 15-gallon size and that the i ry was taster growing ground cover than
the Star Jasmine.
Vice -Chairman Sallan commended the staff for going out. She noted the
applicant's feeling that the city was asking for working drawings at a
preliminary stage.
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Member -Dressler moved to approve landscaping modifications of
applications HC-51,088.15 according to Exhibit A. Seconded by Member
Koenitzer.
Motion carried, 4-0
NEW BUSINESS:
6. Discussion of landscaping policies for Architectural and
Site Approval.
Vice -Chairman Sallan noted Council had asked that committee meet with
them relative to landscaping guidelines and she wanted to set a date
Mr. Cowan suggested.having a representative of the Horticultural
Society meet with the committee to give input before they went to
Council Member Koenitzer noted some consideration should -be given
to the economics of planting procedure. Vice -Chairman Sallan said
she believed aesthetics should come.before economics.
After.a-brief discussion, Monday,- December 17, was scheduled for
a meeting with a professional landscaper in the library conference
room at 7 30 p.m.
Vice -Chairman Sallan suggested her guidelines be evaluated.
Mr. Cowan advised that the city had ordered a sat of books which
would be of value in setting guidelines.
Relative to guildelines for the Council, Member Dressler suggested
`using those submitted by Vice -Chairman Sallan. These were then
discussed at length with several minor alternations being made.
Vice-Chairman.Sallan said these should go to the Council in the form
of a resolution with notation that when they held their joint meeting
they could arrive at a philosophy compatible to everyone. These can
then be incorporated into standards. In -addition she would like a
copy of these to go to whatever developers are coming in. The sug-
gested changes should be sent back before any changes are madeor
final action is taken..
Regarding technical and design aspects, the staff suggested hiring
a landscape architect > Vice -Chairman Sallan said•she would consider
it providing it wasn't Mr. Coleman Member Weinstein noted he had
just as much hassle with lighting and signing.
Member Weinstein said that sometimes landscaping_ was not the solu—
tion to some problems but that architecture was;
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Adjournment After further discussion, i-lomber Foo-litzer moved, :•fer.ber 1-1einstein
seconded, that the meeting be adjcurned at 12:45 a.m. to the next
regular meeting on December 5, 1973.
Motion carried, 4 0
APPROVED:
/s/ Juanita McLaren
Chairman
ATTEST:
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/s/ Wm. y' _ Ryder
City Clerk
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