October 3rd, 1973CITY OF CUPERT_INO
10300 Torre Avenue, Cupertino
Telephone:-252--4505
MINUTES OF THE REGULAR MEETING OF THE ARCHITECTURAL.AND SITE APPROVA]
COMMITTEE OF OCTOBER 3, 1973 IN THELIBRARYCONFERENCE ROOM,
CITY HALL, CUPERTINO, CALIFORNIA
.SALUTE TO THE FLAG
The meeting was opened at 7.30 p.m. by Chairman McLaren with the
Salute to the Flag.
ROLL CALL
Members present: Koenitzer, Sallan and Chairman McLaren
Members absent: Dressler and Weinstein
Staff present: Senior Planning Technician Toby Kramer
APPROVAL OF MINUTES:
The.Minutes of Regular Meeting of September 19, 1973 were continued
to the next meeting as they were not available to the committee,
POSTPONEMENTS: None
WRITTEN COMMUNICATIONS: None
ORAL COMMUNICATIONS: None
Chairman McLaren reported that Member Weinstein had had surgery
and was convalescing satisfactorily. '
PUBLIC HEARINGS:
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1. Application HC-51,027.13 of Edwin J. Myers (James Frost) V HC-51,027.13
requesting approval of site, architecture and grading for James Frost
a single -story professional office building located -wester-
ly of Torre Avenue approximately 100 meet northerly of the:.
intersection of Pacifica Drive and Torre Avenue..
STAFF REPORT: Staff member Kramer said the application is involved
with four other lots in the Brian. Terrace subdivision. The overall
site plan of the property was displayed; She reported the Planning
Commission would like the property to have some unifying theme.The
integration of -lighting, signing and to some extent architectural
elements was desired. The development was not to be exactly alike
but should have some continuity.
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Parking spaces
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'n letter had been written to people involved in this subdivision suggesting
they meet and discuss design elen-:,nts and arrive at some agreement. The
application under discussion repr<�sents 60% of the subdivision and as the
first will be setting tone for remaining properties.
Chairman McLaren ascertained the applicant understood condition 18 of
Planning Commission Resolution No. 1201.
In answer to Member Koenitzer, it was noted there are ample parking
spaces.
The elevations showed the building to be similar to the library. One
consideration was the roofing material; since there was a diversity of
architecture perhaps the roof cou'-d be the*unify:ing feature.
Grading
In discussing the grading, it was noted there was no mounding shown,
;but this would depend on what is v orced out with the other developers
,,of the adjacent properties. Char_ man McLaren referred to mounding at
�Measurex on Bubb Road, noting it v.as very attractive and screened the
Vicars very well. T�ls. Kramer pointed out the buildings are close to the
street with no parking in front, i-zking mounding unnecessary for the
screening of cars.
Complete
`;Member Koenitzer referred to requests made in the past for complete
'iapplications.
applications
Since signing had such an effect on architecture of
:building, he would like some indication of the sign plans for this
and other applications in the future; i.e. T:Thether the signs would
be hanging from the overhang, on Uie walls, monumental type in front,
etc. This was briefly discussed.
FMr. Edwin Myers, 10601 So. Saratoga -Sunnyvale Road, Cupertino and Mr.
t James Frost, 11247 Catalina Ct. , Cupertino, then signed in.
theelchair
iIn answer to Chairman McLaren, Mr. Myers said the ramp would be of
facilities
;pebbled concrete in an outdoor_ patio. Member Koenitzer noticed the •
plans indicated a 2" doorstep. Mr. Myers said the law covers the
'necessity for wheelchair faciliti&3 and the plans would conform to this
jprovision.
.With regard to architecture, 1`lember Koenitzer said he would like to see
;some treatment on fascia at entrance to atrium to establish that this
.,was the entrance. 14r. Myers said 11:he "hole in the wall" to atrium that
would be landscaped would put sufficient emphasis on entry.
Trash enclosure"Chairman McLaren asked about trash enclosure. Mr. Myers said it would
be enclosed in same slumpstone as i�uilding. They were thinking of a joint
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enclosure with adloini.ng buildings and would bring that in at a later date
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the signing and landscaping.
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Member Sallan asked to have the easterly elevation described.
Mr. Frost said the windows are medium brown anodized, aluminum,
redwood fascia in brown stain. The roof tile was more a brown
tone than the library, which was of a reddish tone. He noted the
roofs in adjacent areas are divided between Mission and..flat tiles
Apparent discrepancies on elevation plans of Taylor Wheeler's_
Torre Avenue professional building were noted and discussed,
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Member Sallan noted her concern about the theme being followed in
regard to the building 20 feet to the north. Mr. Myers said since
their application was the first, he didn't feel they should be the
ones to change their plans. Member Sallan said she hoped there
had been dialogue between the developers, Mr. Myers said they were!,
following precedent set by City Hall, library, etc. It was suggest7'
ed tlia.t.. roof material could be changed to conform with these
buildings.
Member-Koenitzer ascertained the overhang around building would be
4',
Chairman McLaren ascertained• that air conditioning units would be"
hidden.
It was asked that Mro , Myers advise other developers of the committee
comments and guidelines since he would be sitting in on discussions
relative to future development of this subdivision.
It was announced this was a. Public Hearing and open to comments
from the audience. There were none.
Member Koenitzer moved to close Public Hearings. Member Sallan
secondedthe motion.
Motion carried, 3-0
Member Sallan recommended approval to City Council of application `
HC-51,027e13 with Exhibits A, B and Dg this approval to be for site,
architecture and grading. Landscaping, lighting and signing to be
reviewed at future time. The following condition was added:
(1) That the applicant return with a design for a trash
enclosure on site.
Seconded by Member Koenitzera
AYES: Members Koenitzer, Sallan and Chairman McLaren
NOES None
ABSENT: Members Dressler and Weinstein
Motion carried, 3-0
Chairman McLaren notified the applicant this would be heard by the
City Council on October 15, 19730
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Roof -material
Public Hear-
ings closed
HC-51,027013
approved w/
condition
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HC-51,058.5
Walker and Lee
Real Estate
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Member Koenitzer sa-i.d lie .could IJke to see some mounding and since it
is such a small project, he felt a standard light pole should be establishea
for entire center. Mt. Myers said he thought silhouette type lighting would
be sufficient but this would be dLscussed with the others involved.
UNFINISHED BUSINESS
2. Application HC-51,058.5 of L,,alker and Lee Real Estate requesting
approval of a sign modification for an existing office building
located at 10171 South Saratoga -Sunnyvale Road in the Town and
'Country Sllcppiag Center.
STAFF REPORT: Ms. Kramer noted .-)ne sign had been approved recently and
at that time the applicant had said they intended adding another door and
would then request an additional ;ign. The door has been cut and the
second sign is now being applied tor.
Slides were shown of the building and signs.
Needed for Mr. Verne Burgess, 1079 Alameda D -ive, Campbell, said the applicant could
identification, not be present and had asked him t.o attend for him. He pointed to a tree
shown on the slide which blocked -1s i.on of sign on front of building. The
second sign on side of the buildii�- ,,ias needed for identification.
Size of sign
Public Hearing
closed
Member Sallan said she did not ag-,,ee it was necessary to have signs on
two frontages in this case and fe'r_ the one sign gave adequate exposure.
Member Koenitzer agreed with Meml) r Sallan. He noted the sign in front
was visible and lined up nicely with signs oil adjoining businesses.
There was no need for further identification.
Mr. Burgess noted it was unfertun<.te that businesses did not become
aware of these feelings before locating. •
Chairman McLaren said she was oppc;,ecl to size of sign. Since the
applicant was not: present and there �;7ere two members of the committee
absent, she said the application c,.,u."_d be continued if Mr. Burgess so
desired.
Mr. Burgess said he was not in a p.)sition to make any decision. In
answer to his query, Chairman McLar-ert e plained alternatives available
to him.
Chairman McLaren noted this was a 'ubl.ic Hearing and asked for comments
from the audience. There were non,!.
Member Koenitzer moved, seconded b;, ember Sal -Ian, to close Public Hearings.
!loticn carried, 3-0
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Member Koenitzer moved to recommend denial of application HC-51.,,
058.5 to the City Council. Seconded by Member Sallan.
AYES: Members Koenitzer and Sallan
NOES. Chairman McLaren
ABSENT., Members Dressler and Weinstein
Motion carried, 2-1
Chairman McLaren explained her vote, saying she felt if the
applicant wished to appeal and to modify the size of the sign,
he should be heard again.
It was then noted that this application would be heard by the
City Council at its next meeting on October 15, 1973.
3. Application HC-51,199<2 of Newman Properties (R. Cali &
Bros.) requesting approval of a sign modification in
connection with a proposed neighborhood sh.opping center
located at the northwest corner of Saratoga -Sunnyvale Road
and 'McClellan Road. Continued from H-Control meeting of
July 5, 1973i
STAFF REPORT': Ms. Kramer recalled the previous sign was requested
to be scaled down and materials changed. The materials had been
changed but the sign had not been scaled down, -The enclosed
exhibit represents the modification requested plus a change in
S av- On. sign.
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HC-51,058<5
denied
H.C-51,199 2
Newman Proper-
ties
Mr. Robert Ramsey, employed by Ad -Art. Signs, said an independent Proposed sign
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sign contractor had been involved without the `approval of the described
developer. He explained how the sign had been scaled down and the
changes that had been made. This proposal has been approved by
the architecture with the stipulation that the stain colors be
compatible with the buildings
The committee expressed their satisfaction,with this proposals
The meeting was opened to comments from the audience. There were.
none.
Member Sallan moved, seconded by Member Koenitzer, to close'Public Al Public Hear -
Hearings. ings closed
Mnti nn ray^ri nd _ 'i-n
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HC-51, 119.2
approved w/
condition
Discussion of
sign ordinance
continued
Flood Control
District Meet-
ing
Goodyear Tire
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Member Sallan recommended approval. of Application HC-51,119.2 with
Exhibit F, 3rd Revision, and cor.:plimLnts to the applicant, with the
condition that the McClellan Squarc portion of sign be 2' in height
and stained to Match the building. Seconded by Member Koenitzer.
AYES: Members Koenitzer and Sallan
NOES: None
ABSENT: Members Dressler and Weinstein
ABSTAIN: Chairman McLaren
Motion carried, 2-0-1
Chairman McI.,aren abstained from voting since she was involved with
Newman Properties on other matters, although not on this property.
The applicant was informed this would be heard by the City Council
on October 15, 1973.
4. Discussion of sign ordinc rice.
Since there ;were only three members of the committee present and a
very important meeting of the C:.t.v Council to be attended, Chairman
McLaren suggested that discussion of sign ordinance be postponed.
Member Koenitzer brougi,t to the attention of the committee an article
on "Street Graphics", feeling this approach to signing was worth con-
sidering.
Member Koenitzer then moved to con::inued discussion of sign ordinance.
Seconded by Member Sallan.
Motion carried, 3-0
NEW BUSINESS
Member Sallan reporterl a call f,-om Ms. Nancy Hertert regarding a
Flood Control District meeting <.t Monte Vista High School on October 23,
1973 at 2:00 p.m. Any citizen ..n-Dut and particularly that of ASAC
members was solicited, Member ':oenitzer expressed his concern about
"concrete canyon" planned for St:eve.ns Creek.
Member Sallan reported that Gooc'.,year Tire Company on.Highway 9 at Home-
stead Road had two di.mpsey dump:>ters filled t-7ith tires and it was very
unsightly. She asked that staf.' check on trash enclosure.
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Member Sallan also reported that Karpet King had two signs in red ,
Sign
instead of the one in bias'-. ai-id white that had been approved. Also violaLioiis
Fireside Thrift sign was reversed in color to what had been approved.
Ms. Kramer said this had. be.ert noted and Fireside would be cited.
Chairman 14cLaren referred to a Shell si gla on arcade of roof at a Signi
ng
station in Saratoga. It is sma.1.1 and yet has great visual impact. r example
She asked staff to take a picture of it as an example for future
applications. ;
i Member Sallan asked -if Bumbleberry landscaping had been checked. F, Bumblebe'rry
'Rs. Kramer said it had and the plants did not appear to conform " landscaping
with approval. After discussion, item er Sallan noted she wanted U
Mr. Madsen to remove the unauthorized plantings and replace them
With plants of approved size. '
At 9.00 p.m. Member Koenitzer moved to adjourn to next regular meet-�
ing of ..October 17, 1.973. Seconded by Member Sallan, Adjournment
Motion carried, 3--0
APPROVED
/S/ Juanita. McLaren
Chairman
ATTEST:
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/s/ Tiii, Eo Ryder
City Clerk