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August 8th, 1973HC-88 Page 2 HC-51,284.1 Fireside Thrif t MINUTES OF THE AUGUST 8, 1973 H-CONTROL MEETING t WRITTEN COMiKUNICATIONS: None ORAL COMMUNICATIONS: None PUBLIC HEARI;vvS: 1. Application HC-51,284.1 of �d-Art, Inc. (Fireside Thrift) requesting approval of a sign plan for a commercial building located on the north side of Stevens Creek Boulevard west of Blaney Avenue. Continued from H-Control meeting of. July 18, 1973. Staff report: Mr. Cowan noted this application had been continued from the previous meeting with the committee suggesting the use of one sign instead of the two requested. The applicant felt however that one sign would not be adequate and had returned with a sign plan revised to fit in the panels on the sides of the building as had been suggested as an alternative by the committee. Slides were shown of the building and existing sign. Mr. Cowan reported the proposed signs are technically correct. Mr. James McLey, 1715 64th Street, Emoryville, said the two signs were necessary and used a slide taken by the staff to substantiate his claim that the existing sign, because of the tree, could not be seen from most lines of vision. He said the two signs being asked for are of a lesser size than the one existing sign. One sign does not identify the building. Mr. McLey pointed out the signs would be cut down to fit panels as had been suggested. Chairman McLaren ascertained the sun screening would remain when the existing sign was removed. Member Koenitzer said the location on side of building as proposed was • satisfactory. He referred to the d::scussion of previous meeting about reversing colors to put red letters on a white background. Mr. Robert Ramsey, 2957 May Road, Richmond, representing both Fireside Thrift and Ad -Art Sign Company, said the location had been resurveyed and it was felt the suggestion of narrowing the signs to fit in panels had been a good one. He said Fireside Thrift would prefer keeping the red background if possible. Mr. Ramsey pointed out that one objection to flat sign in existing location was the possibility of it being a traffic hazard because of turning lanes by people attempting to locate building. The signs would be recessed between uprights. Member Koenitzer said he felt the sign should be below the bottom of canopy to break horizontal line. Mr. Ramsey agreed. MINUTES OF THE AUGUST 8, 1973 H-CONTROL MEETING Member.Sallan said she was concerned about brightness of red and would like to see colors reversed. She also questioned size of fy signs and said it might be in order to consider more of a scaling ii down, and in event the colors were not reversed, scaling down would. be even more important.. Mr. Ramsey said the preference would be to keep the red background, pointing out adjacent signs which were red and yellow. 'He said if it were 'necessary to reverse colors to gain. approval of application this would be considered. Member Dressler said he favored reversal of colors also, and suggested perhaps the background could be the color of the building rather than white. Mr. Ramsey pointed out the sign colors would have a lower -key feel after being exposed to the elements for a time. He further explained sign detail and their reasons for these particular signs. Member Weinstein reiterated his. preference for one sign. He said the sign could be moved ,to other end of canopy so it would not be behind the tree. He told Mr, Ramsey his arguments that.the sign flat on the front might be a traffic hazard could apply to signs being requested or any type of sign. - Mr. Ramsey said they could not entertain flat sign across the front �+ of the building. He explained in order for Fireside Thrift to Obtain lease of building, part of the lease was that there would be proper identification. He pointed,to other signs of close proximity and said he did not feel Fireside Thrift should be jeopordized or penalized by having identification withheld. He explained the nature of theirbusiness, and said it was imperative that traffic from both directions be able to locate their office. Chairman McLaren said because of location of building and the. width of Stevens Creek Boulevard, she did.not:,think it would hurt to have a sign on both sides of the building -She pointed out that appli cant was cooperating in reversing colors and changing the location on building y j Chairman McLaren announced this was a Public Hearing and open to � j comments from the audience. There we're none. li Member Dressler moved, seconded by Member Koenitzer, to close Public Hearings Motion carried, 5-0 Member. Weinstein said -he was not convinced that one sign could` not.,�3 identify building. I HC-88 Page 3 RC-88 Page 4 HC-51,284.1 approved w/ conditions MINUTES OF THE AUGUST 8, 1973 H-CONTROL MEETING Member Sallan said she thoughtnew signs should be more aesthetically pleasing than Chat was being replaced, and she did not feel this was true of this application. Member Dressler suggested perhaps the building was now up fqr lease because one sign had not been eno nc-1, identification. Member Weinstein repeated his feeling that signs should identify, not advertise. The size of the signs was briefly discussed. Member Koenitzer noted that if the sign were much smaller, it would be lost because of other signs at adjacent buildings. Member Koenitzer moved to recommend approval of HC-51,284.1 to the City Council with the standard H-Control conditions, Exhibit F lst Revision and following additional conditions: (1) That the top of the sign v ould be at least four concrete blocks from top of building. (2) That the red and white colors on signs be reversed so back- ground was white and letters were red. Seconded by Member Dressler. AYES: Members Dressler, Koenitzer, and Chairman McLaren NOES: Members Sallan and Weinstein Motion carried, 3-2 The applicant was informed this would be heard by the City Council on August 20, 1973. The applicant spoke briefly to aesthetics of sign size, graphics and techniques for balance. HC-51,299.2. 2• Application HC-51,299.2 or S.H.A.R.E., Inc. requesting approval Bumbleberry of a sign plan for the Bumbleb-erry Pie Shop located at the north Pie Shop side of Stevens Creek Boulevard, west of Saich Way. • Staff report: Mr. Cowan reported that the City Council had denied request for change to purple shade of tile and applicant had agreed to place brick material on front of building beneath window. . Slides were shown of site, building and drawings of building and sign. MINUTES OF THE AUGUST 8, 1973 H-CONTROL MEETING Mr' Cowan said the application was for two roof mounted signs totaling 96 square feet.; allowable is 124 square feet. Sign cabinet would be rimmed with light bulbs and illuminated. The colors would be those used in all Bumbleberry estab.lisliments but the sign.backgroun.d would be a natural wood. treatment compatible to wood fascia of. building. Member Koenitzer asked if the cabinet and sign had been on original application. He expressed a preference for the clean mansard roof line. HC-88 Page 5 i Mr. Cowan pointed out the professional buildings and.Bumbleberry i are separate operations, but technically speaking, are on the same ! He reported that staff lot so will only be allowed one ground signs; p j is attempting to have all facets of an application presented at, the, r same time, but this was not done to date j Member. Sallan.pointed out that possible sign revisions might be for less than 3% of total square feet allowed now and in this case, the I 96 square feet might be maximum rather than "well within limits". A future meeting for further work on sign revision to be held after .' General Plan'was finalized was briefly discussed. t 9 _ s Member Weinstein asked how the square footage of these signs com- pared with tlie.Marie Callendar signs. Mr. Gowan said he had no idea. Member Weinstein said he thought'Bumbleberry should be of � the same percentage of square footage. i Chairman McLaren said she did not think sign logos had to be She pointed changed, or compared with other restaurant signs. out that the.signs were already "Less thanallowed> Ms. Sophia ostoya, architect for Bumbleberry and designer of sign, gave a very g presentation of her.credent al& and her think in in regard to signs. She said signs are important for business g a advertising and important for environment. Signs should be a part ofthe architecture. She pointed out these signs are of the same slope and same stain as the building fascia° ya if she as an architect felt the Member Weinstein asked Ms. Ostof j sign blended into building itself. Ms. Ostoya explained her choice ix of colors .forsign and wall stains. l. Member Weinstein asked why it was necessary to have the second .sign '° Ms. Ostoya said there was the second entry and the sign created` e the building is very plain. She felt atmosphere for entry sinc both signs would be an attractive asset to the building. z i : IiC-88 Page 6 MINUTES OF THE AUGUST , 1973 '11-CONTROL MEETING Member Weinstein then asked if the sign could be scaled down proportionally in all respects. Ms. Ostoya said she thought the two signs should be equal and the sign above entry had to be that size to fit in with the door size. She said if background of drawing were dark as it will be, the sign would not stand out so. The sign is only 4'x 1.0'. Member Dressler ascertained that front of building was 90--9W in length with an additional •10'-15' overhang. In answer to Member Dressler's next question, Ms. Ostoya said the small gold lights around the cabinet did not blink. Member Koenitzer said he would prefer to see signs on side of building because he liked the clean line of the roof. He said he would like to see smaller signs which lie felt would be more in keeping with the build- ing and with the image that is desired for. the area. He said he could not accept light bulbs around the signs since the signs are illuminated. Member Sallan said her concerns were the same as Member Koenitzer's. Ms. Ostoya then told the story of the tiny lights representing the tiny people from Bumbleberry Valley. ,'Chairman McLaren pointed out that with programs at beAnza, people would ''i be looking for some place to go afterwards and she did not feel it would be detrimental to have a sign on that side. r{ ,Mr. Frank Sterba, Pettibone Sign Company, said the 4' x 10' was the ;;absolute perimeter of signs. Sign area was considerably less and because ,,of the number of letters and the style of the letters, if it were any smaller it would be unreadable from any distance. !Member Koenitzer pointed out Stevens Creek Boulevard slopes down and with ;'.parked cars at Key Chevrolet, building cannot be seen until almost at the iicorner of Stelling Road. �I `Member Weinstein asked if there was any rule that said there could not be 1:'a monument sign in front and none on the building. Mr. Cowan explained the ordinance regarding one free standing sign. Member Koenitzer pointed out there would have to be an agreement between Bumbleberry and professional building owners. Mr. Sterba noted letters on sign ranged in size from 11" on caps to 9" tt on lower case. Chairman McLaren noted this was a Public Hearing and asked for comments from the audience. There were none. Member Koenitzer moved, seconded by Member Sallan, to close Public Hearings. Motion carried, 5-0 • MINUTES OF THE AUGUST 8, 1973 H--CONTROL MEETING Member Weinstein said the sign on°°the westerly elevation would not c be seen and therefore was not needed. A. low monument type sign in front would solve everyone's problem, Mrs Cowan reiterated that owner of property would.. have to make a choice between the office complex.and Bumbleberry'in that event. Member Weinstein noted the committee had been: led to believe by both the architect and sign maker that the size of the signs was optimum. Member Dressler said he did not feel the committee shouldll try to manage someone's business for them and should not compare to others. This was the applicant's wishes, they should be listened? to and a decision madee Member Dressler moved to make a recommendation for approval to City Council of Application HC-51,299.2,, EXhibits F, F-1,: F-2, subject to standard H-Control conditions, feeling that the sign as planned matches the aesthetics -of the buildings Seconded by Chairman McLaren. Member Sall.an said the appearance of the sign is attractive. She was concerned over size and the number of signs. Any sign can be reduced in proportion. Member Weinstein said he would like to hear alternatives in terms of reducing size of signs. He suggested continuing application if k this was possible o � Chairman McLaren ascertained that the opening is planned for °some- time in Augusta 1 Member Dressler repeated his feelings that the owner had a right to his own desires and the committee should'attempt to satisfy his HC-88 Page 7 Motion needs as well as theirs After more discussion, Member Dressler amended the motion to include Amendment thatsizeof signs were to be reduced to 3/4 of existing size, 1 Seconded by Member Sa.11ann Vote on Amendment: AYES: Members Dressler, Koenitzer, Sallan, Weinstein and Chairman McLaren NOES: None , Ampnd.men.t passed, 5-0 11-IC-88 ;i MINUTES OF THE AUGUST 8, 1973 H-CONTROL MEETING Page 8 HC-51,299.2 approved w/ conditions Recess KC-51,296.2 Bob's Big Boy Vote on Motion: AYES: Members Dressler, Sallan, Weinstein and Chairman McLaren NOES: Member Kornit-zer Motion carried, 4-1 Member Koenitzer noted his negative vote was due to his objection of the lights around the sign. Chairman McLaren informed the appli(-al.Lt this would ,)e heard by the City Council on August 20, 1973. Since it was then 9:00 p.m.., a reces was talren with the meeting being reconvened at 9:10 p.m. 3. Application HC-51,296.2 of B:)b's Big Boy Family Restaurant represented by Robert E. Eakin requesting approval of a sign plan for a restaurant -facility located at the southwest corner of Alves Drive and Saratoga-S'uinyvale Road. Staff report: Slides were shown. :,Ir. Cowan recalled the landscaping, lighting and signing was continued in February of this year so that design criteria could be established for the northwest quadrant of Saratoga -Sunny- vale Road and Stevens Creek Boulevard. Slides of the proposed sign were exhibited as well as architectural ren- dering showing proposed illuminated sign on side of building. The proposed location of sign was pointed out on site plan and noted that the sign should be moved to thy: southern edge of the driveway rather than the north so sign would not hamper visibility of traffic turning out of parking lot. The sign is 14' in height with the sign, itself being 6' x 9'. It is within the ordinance with regard to square footage. Mr. Cowan pointed out however that guidelines, for the S,�ich property, of which this appli- cation is a part, was for low profile monument type signing. Member Koenitzer questioned original_ approval. Chairman McLaren read from the minutes of January 17, 1973 thE, motion that was made and passed. She also read guidelines suggested for signs in this quadrant. Mr. Robert Eakin, 22270 Kendall Street, Cupertino, pointed out it was stained glass above door with 2" square beige ceramic tile on right side of door. The wall sign would be one cam saying S}1AKE, STEAKS AND PANCAKES, done in scroll type white lettering, against the beige background. • MINUTES OF THE AUGUST 8, 1973 H-CONTROL MEETING Mr. Eakin said they felt the low profile sign would not be adequate identity for what was needed.on sign face.. Would not be observed above car level on busy street such as Highway 9. In answer to Chairman McLaren, Mx. Eakin: said the illuminated. brightness Mould be the same as on other Bob's Big Boy re9taurantso Member Weinstein said he had two main objections. He obtected to sign on face of building and felt it was unnecessary. He also felt a lour prof:ile­sign could give concept of the restaurant. He. suggested sign could be down 2-1/2'-approximately by eliminating all the words other than Bob's Big Boy, He suggested changing. black finish on post to redwood to blend with buildings Member Dressler said he felt strongly that postsign was too big and asked Mr. Eakin if he had any alternatives. Mr. Eakin said several designs had been considered before choosing this one. The parent company of Bob's Big Boy Restaurants of America felt very. strongly about what was on signing, He could not make concession for removing word: without.first clearing with. them. ,One reason for the 14' height including planter box was to get above level where it would experience vandalism. Member Sa:l.lan noted application had been hassled all the ways She pointed out the considerable amount of time spent on signing guide lines' as this was first in design complex. This application does not bear any resemblence-.to those guidelines. She noted she was not happy with sign presented, Mr. Eakin noted ,they bad tried -to follow guidelines, but the guide- lines had not been very specific. Member Koenitzer`expressed his opinion that the sign was too much. He felt the words Bob's Big Boy would be enough. He would like to see something of monument idea not over 6'. He pointed out the J committee's desire to recluse number and size of signs so there was Y not this -visual impact. Chairman McLaren asked to hear the committee's wishes regarding a continuation. Mr Eakin saki he was confused Where rere other4 4 41 4 4- signs Ln V k- y which were larger, one proposed tonight that was bigger.,He p o'�- nted out this sign was within the ordinance.' Chairman McLaren ex-plained there was an intensive stu.dv Loin -a- n+o HC-88 ?age 9 LiC-88 Page 10 MINUTES OF THE AUGUST 8, 19Z3 H-COL'IROL MEETING Mr. Eakin commented they had been continued on.,almost every point. They were under construction and still could not present a landscaping plan. He said they had retained the same architect as city so it would be coordinated. If application were denied tonight_, he felt it should be taken to Council. Chairman McLaren noted this was a I'ubl.ic Hearing and opened the meeting to comments from the audience. There were none. Member Koenitzer moved, seconded by Sallan, to close Public Hearings. Llotion carried, 5-0 HC-51,296.2 j Member Sallan recommended denial of A plication HC--51,296.2 to City Council. denied Member Weinstein seconded the motica. AYES Members Dressler, Koenitzer, Sallan and Weinstein NOES: Chairman LlcLaren Motion carried, 4-1 Staff member Cowan asked for more cle.tail of denial for City Council's consideration. It was noted sign v,a:, too large, should be scaled down and have only the words Bob's Big Foy instead of proposed wording. The sign on the front of the building ho-ld be eliminated. Chairman McLar_en informed the appli:_,ant this would be heard before the City Council on August 20, 1973. Mr. Cowan advised the applicant to submit a letter to City Clerk saying he had concerns regarding this deciaion. IIC-51,075.3(l 4. Application IIC-51.,075.36 of Westfield Company requesting approval Westfield of site, architecture, land ,-capiag and gr ailing for a two-story Company I industrial./office building located at the southwest corner of Pruneridge Avenue and Tantau Avenue. Slides were shown of the site and proposed building. Mr. Cowan said the site plan had been gone into thorot_,,hly. The setback on Tantau Avenue is 28' and 25' on Pruneridge. He poiat.ed out the short stalls on site. Member Koenitzer noted in some cases inter -miring short stalls with regular stalls had not been successful_; perhaps should be separated. Mr. Cowan 11 said the Planning Commission felt there was enough parking on site without the short stalls so they would not I)e any problem. He also pointed out parking is designed so that bumperL;will overhang curb. W MINUTES OF HE AUGUST 8, 1973 H-CONTROL MEETING Slides were shown of adjacent building to the south and existing landscaping, Mr. Cowan commented on existing landscaping which has a flat area then mound with street trees planted at point of transition. This application will be different in that mound begins at curbs Chairman McLaren asked if provision had been made for future widening of streets; Mr. Cowan said no,"Pruneridge was at maximum. Mr. Cowan noted grading and undergroundir_g have been reviewed and there were no problems. sighting would be submitted at later dates Mr. Terry Rose, 21311 Milford Drive, Cupertino, and Mr. Tom Masters; 1671 The Alameda, San .rose, signed in. i Member Koenitzer asked how far move roof line the mechanical shed would project and was told it would project about With regard to the trash enclosure, this was a 7' masonry enclosure' with wood trellis; over top and two gates. Member Koenitzer said he} vyould like to sae something on �a1l-area other than plain concrete block. Mr. Thomas said there was not much landscaping in this area because of heavy traffic, r With regard to landscaping, Member Sallan suggested a tree of the. same type as on westerly side could be inserted on, the easterly n' elevation close to the building. Mr. Thomas said these were Mayten trees and agreed to increase numbers 3 Member Sallan also suggested something taller than the ivy proposedF ,j in area behind trash enclosure, something of the pittosporum variety The trash enclosure could be textured the same as the, building Member Sallan suggested increasing redwoods on westerly boundary of property using same spacing as to the south runt -in down to L g fy Pruneridgea It was noted that cash has been submitted to ensure planting of street trees. The choice of Tulip gees and the possibility of- leaves being dropped on parking lot was discussed, Member Koenitzer suggested a Magnolia grandiflorao Chairman McLaren noted this was'. Public Hearing and opened the meeting to . comm.ents "fro? .the audience, There- were none. HC-88 Page 11 IIC-88 Rage 12 I i i i i i 1 i a { i IIC-51,075.Y! approved w/ conditions HC-51,241.5: De Anza Oaks 1 j 1 i MINUTES OF THE AUGUST 8, 1973 II-CON1'ROI, MEETING Member Sallan recor».m.ended approval of ItC-51,075..36 to City Council with the standard II -Control conditions, Exhibits A, B, B-1, C and D and the following additional conditions: Architecture: (1) Trash enclos,tr�_i to be finished in the same manner to be compatib:ie with buiiiding in color and design. Landscaping: (1) At easterly elevation of bui-[ding, add two Mayten trees similar ,in size to the westerly elevation. (2) On the western perimeter of property add Sequoia trees in similar proportion to ISS building to the south. (3) Pittosporum Lype foliage to be planted as additional screen around trash enclosure to the south. Seconded by Member Koenitzer. . AYES: Members Dressler, Kocnitzer, Sallan, Weinstein and Chairman MCT aren NOES: None Motion carried, 5-0 The applicant was informed this would be heard by City Council on August 20, 1973. 5. Application IIC-51.,2.41.5 of Dc, Anza Oaks requesting modification of site, architecture, landscaping and grading relative to the recreation facility for the De Anza bales development located .1600 feet t,rest of foothill r:.:pi.essway on Permanente Road. Staff report: Slides of the original and the new site plans were shown. Thle scope of the application is the formal recreation area. The pool is planned for the ravine with stairs going up ,-o pool level and to recreation building. Slides were shot.rn of the site. Chairman McLaren questioned flow of :,rater from winter rains. Mr. Cowan said the water flow had been engineered. Mr. Cowan said the applicant would speak to which trees would be kept. Mr. Cowan reported the Engi:ieering Department was concerned about erosion control on cut. The cut was exhibi+_ed by slides. Some sort of barrier should be put on 12' cut at comLmuni.ty recreation area. MINUTES OF.THE AUGUST 8, 1973 H-CONTROL MEETING Member Weinstein asked if it was proposed to have users walk from parking area to recreation area. He noted everyone would have to pass the pool. It was ascertained mere is a 38' rise from cul-de- sac to community center. A ramp system for handicapped persons was discussed. Chairman McLaren questioned Planning Commission should see this ap- plication first because of the drastic changes, Mr. Cowan said the Engineering Department said there were no substantial grading changes from original application. Member Ko.enitzer said he felt it was a drastic change when it went from 6' to 12' cut in grading. He asked. to see the original plans He axpressed his preference for minimum cute Mr. Robert McBain, 2054 E1 Camino, Santa Clara, pointed out that the vertical cut gets a �slumpstone retaining.wallo Amount of cut is.over-excavated and dirt would be replaced. Amount of wall ex -- posed to view would be substantially less than shown on slide. Planting had been.approved on area above retaining wall. In answer to Member Weinstein, Mr. McBain said the season for the ` change was.the swimming pool had been enlarged and to retain the large Oak tree. He said the buildings would be built on natural terrain. Cuts would be only for pool. A deck would' be built around Oak tree. lull7-3, View from residents in back was discussed; as well as water pipe for drainage down to creek area. Mr. McBain also explained how pool area would be screened from other areas. Mr. McBain said thehighest cut would be 8' at one point. Footing; is 3' that holds retaining wall, then dirt filled in. Member Koenitzer -noted base of Oak tree was 10' below level of deck and questioned how many branches would have to be removed.. Mr. McBain did not know how many branches would have to be removed. Mr. Cowan suggested applicant speak also to some other trees located in the canyon. Mr. Arthur Anderson, 405 N. Central, Campbell, said the important trees were on left side of divide and they would fit buildings around- these trees. There isa. heavy wooded area of canyon behind buildings which was shown or, slide° HC-88 Page 13 HC-88 MINUTES OF THE AUGUST 8, 1973 H-Ci.111T.ROL MLLTTNi; Page 14 Member Weinstein ascertained the only way to get to recreation center was by the pool.. Mr. MCBai.n explained the control point was the gate at the bottom of the rise. Tn answer to Member We:i_n�..te.in; Mr. P:cBai.n expla-ined this is a toinihouse type of: developme.iit with 211. units. M:: bc'r. Weinstein said lie could not support a situation tahere everyone hid to U-1) past pool to get to recreation area. Mr. McBain sugg. st cd the possibility of putting :in a trail. around recreation area. Member Weinstein also questioned ttutni>er. of steps having to be climbed. Mr. McBain said this was explained to prospects and 3/4 of the ur_its had been sold. Buyers are u-sually yot,.ng couples or couples whose children are groom. Member Weinstein suggested a ramp or trail for older or handicapped people. Mr. :fcBain said there would be no object to this. A discussion then ensued on where the trail would have to to accomodate the 38' rise in gradi also how traffic could be gotten :,w<iy from the pool. It was agreed the architecture wa.,, acceptable. With regard to landscap:ix, , llembe;- Szllan noted the perimeters will have little impact on comimuni.ty. She :>up,-,gested any walls on exterior should be covered uith landscaping. Chairman McLaren noted Algerian ivy was excellent for slopes. Member Weinstein said ho :,rasn't r from plans about structures over some walls, but he thought: it woui.d be desirable. to put some landscaping to cover as best as po5:�ible. Mr. Cowa 1 reminded the commit' ee about the Engineering Department's concern about erosion control. 1.J'. McBain told the committee there v,ould be an erosion control. plan. a Member Sallan referred to protective barrier. Mr. McBain pointed out there was a level space bahind r(-:-aini_ng wall of approximately 2-1/2. Mr. Cowan noted there are some 8' drops and this should be checked with City Attorney as to liability. Member Koenitzer cuestio-acd extensive amount of grading. Mr. McBain said the same amount_ of grading vould be necessary no matter where the pool was placed. A discussion was held regarding landscaping in front of .retaining walls. Chairman McLaren noted this was a Public Hearing and opened the meeting to comments from the audience. j'iiere were none. MINUTES OF THE AUGUST 8, 1973 H-CONTROL MEETING Member.Sallan moved to close Public Hearings, seconded, by.Member Weinstein. Motion carried, 5-0 Member Weinstein moved to recommend to the City Council approval of Application EC-51,241.5, subjectto standard H-Control conditions, - Exhibits A, A1, B,, B-1, B-2, - B-77,3,9 B-4 , 9 C, C-1, C-41, C-3 and D and including the following additions and stipulations, (1) Regarding land cuts, that there be imposed on these the necessary landscaping and/or erosion control and safety 'conditions for any of the cuts associated with the project. (2" That there be a set of specifications prepared by architect delineating those existing trees to be saved and how this will'be ,accomplished . (3) Access be provided to the recreation structure that diverts pedestrian traffic from pool area; i,e, an incline ramp or trail that would also serve for handicapped people or -senior citizens for access to the recreation area. Seconded by Member Sallan. AYES:' Members Dressler, Koenitzer, Sallan, Weinstein and Chairman McLaren NOES: None Motion carried, 5-0 Chairman McLaren notified the applicant this would be heard before Ask the City Council on August 20, 1973. 1 Member Dressler left the meeting at 11:05 p.m. It was agreed to hear item 8 on agenda next as applicant had been waiting for quite some time.- 8. Application BC-51,309.1 of Mackay Homes (Damico Property)' n� requesting a tree replacement for the Ridgecrest Dvelopmentc westerly of McClellan Road approxa.-ti located adjacent to and mately 250 feet westerly of the intersection of Byrne Avenue. Chairman McLaren sai- -1d 'because of her involvement she would abstain t, from discussion of this application HC-88 Page 15 EC-51,241.5 approved w/ conditions IIC-88 MINUTES OF THE AUGUST 8, 1-973 Ii--CON'TI:OL MEIETING Page 16 1 • Staff report: fir. Cowan noted tl-A-s application was for approval to replace a native specimen tree which could not: be saved because of root damage due to grading., The builders had thovc;ht to be able to retain this tree. He said thF-,y have agreed to deposit $1,000 with the City. The location of the r.eplaceuo-�nt Lree should !Do d:I.scazs>cd at Lhi5 time. iir. Cowan said there vras a Fig tr_!e on "I:e propErty which shoe-0-d be discussed to insure steps ere taken to prese.rve. it. Slides of site <'t-r.e sho,,n. Member Koenitzer ;aid this applic it•ion pointed up the need for more detailed grading plans. Mr. Leonard Net` iia n, Mickay Homes, Palo Alto, notod this was really too .large a tree to ba on a patio and t`:ley should have realized this. He agreed final grading plans should b;2 available sooner, but this might prove to be a nets(_,'Jess e::pense to developer in ca:ae application was denied. He pointed out the number cif trees saved and additional trees planted. Mr. Parker Smith, 6801 Dublia h.l-,,I. Dublin, said they were proposing as a replacement, a speciM_-In Holly Oak. Location would be near main entrance to project. Member Sallan ascertained there were 28 street trees along McClellan Road and shrub plantings on outsi,la of wall. Mr. Smith said there were some indentations in fence t,Iie­.-e anproximatoly 10 Magnolia trees were to be placed. Member Weinstein (puestioned the similarity between Holly Oak and Live Oak trees and discussed an alternate. He ascertained that by a specimen tree, Mr. Smith referred to a 12' minimum boxed tree. Member Sallan auustioned what the biggest tree was that could be gotten in boxe3 and told it was probably lb' . The Pepper tree being replaced was 30'. She ask�id if there was any input from staff as to type of tree and 1,r . Cowan said this would be. _Left to this committee. Member Sallan said this should not have happened and should not happen in the future. Elie replace�,ient should be the _largest tree that could be gotten. In answer to Member Weinstein, Mr. Smith said the Fig tree would be boxed and drained. Member Koenitzer moved approval of: !fC-51,309.1 with standard H-Control conditions to replace specimen tree t;ith at Least a 12' high Ilolly Oak to be installed at south side of ma:i_z± entrance to the project. Seconded by Member Weinstein. MINUTES OF THE AUGUST 8, 1973 R-CONTROL MEETING HC-8811 Page 17 AYES, Members Koenitzer, Sallan and Weinstein NOES. None ABSTAIN tChairman McLaren ABSENT. Member Dressler Motion carried, REVIEW OF CHANGE OF COPY OF SIGN, FACE: 6. Sandy's of Lodi Inc. (Red Barn) requesting change of copy of an existing sign located at the northwest corner of Stevens Cre 'ek Boulevard and Saich Way. Staff report: Slides -were shown of existing pole sign and locatio'h, The sign had been for Burger Chef and would now be Red Earn, 'Both the same type of business establishments. Ms. Kramer said the -jign 'would be a white background with red letters. Future modification-- were a possibility. In looking at the slide;,,,, Chairman McLaren noted the Storage containers which were to be hidden behind brick,partition were still sitting in front. Mr. Cowan said he had talked to City Attorney regarding change of fj copy on pole signs and under present ordinance, these signs are sacrosant; there is no abatement period. He did not believe an effort to attach conditions to change of copy request would be supported. After further discussion, Member Sallan moved to continue this, Koenitzer. N application. Seconded by Member Motion carried 4-0 7. Golden. 'West Sign .Company (Lambert's Photo) requesting change of copy of an existing sign located at 10325 Saratoga -Sunnyvale Road., It Tda8 staff's recommendation that 'this application be continued. The sign is a pole sign advertising U-Save Liquors The low er section on ;that pole should not be has sbe -on there and no permit. shown e. found for it so -needs further researching. Slides werof the sign Linder discussion. The committee.unanimou.sly agreed to continue this applic ation. i cl -88 MINUTES OF THI: AUGUST 8, 1973 II—COtiTROL MEETING page 18 niTINISHED BUSINESS i Member Sallan �,a id she i;as still Ser.tirF; calls f.roa Barbara Rogers about holes in par lit; lut Plaza. i• s. Kramer caid since resurfacing was done, it is private poerty ad City 1s o :_1ctica until the City is cont.acted. :Further will be cicne anti committee given a written report. Chairman YcLaren asked to :Iavc phot,,s taken at 76 Service Station at Bubb Road and :_eClel.lan. She noted tite bit, ,' trcc. are d"_, gincr` , there are trUCICS and 5taCi'-S Of L11:C'_S in back ird visual evidence of %:ajor overhaul L•Iorl- bf:ing done. S ;e I:o*-u: aiSo SO:' barrier should be Crectnd as Cars are knocking over trees. SI.e reque.;tcd a shot be taken fro::,, Bubb Road. Chairl;an 'McLa ren also pointcd out an <? :ea needing :;ai.ntenance by State Highway Depar trucnt_ . Member 1•1einstein Lisked ,•hozl change or sign Ordinance could be considered. IIv vas given a brief: rundct.-n oil taha,: li'id been done t•:ith a first draft }iaV1n;- bE'eIl SubIlll.ttEd. 1L ?•:c nUtEiL tllerF? SiloUl_dU`C' 'S0I1iG' clarification of intensity incl.Llded in study. i;Ci.li'r Sallan suggested further meetings when General Plan is completed r.elai..L to standard conditions. Member Koeni.tzer referred to newspaper racks. Mr. Cowan said the staff �,as makin— a study. .ost0+ fic:e and newspaper representatives here t0 meet :i'i 1 zI i? CO-.'dLCee reg<i dlii- a sol-ution. Me_l:bE'_r Koenitzer said his main objection t;as putting the racks on public sidewalks. NEW L"" SI;`IESS : None AD IOLM"i` XIL" ?T Member Sallan Iaoved, seconded by .ie:.ber Koenitzer, to adjourn to the nett regular m«�eting on August 2.2, 1973 at 7:30 p.m. The meeting adjourned at 11:48 p.m. Motion carried, 4-0 APPROVED: s/ Juanita Mc Laren Chairman ATTEST: /s/ Goa. E. Ryder _ City Clerk �T