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HomeMy WebLinkAboutSC 07-16-2026 Youtube and Zoom TranscriptWEBVTT 1 00:00:03.240 --> 00:00:04.730 Quinlan Conf Room: Commissioner Hansen? 2 00:00:05.670 --> 00:00:06.939 Quinlan Conf Room: Commissioner Padd. 3 00:00:07.050 --> 00:00:07.940 Quinlan Conf Room: Yes. 4 00:00:08.130 --> 00:00:11.400 Quinlan Conf Room: I'm sorry. Yay, here, vice chair, Carter. 5 00:00:11.400 --> 00:00:12.090 Jack Carter, Vice Chair: Here. 6 00:00:12.800 --> 00:00:25.489 Quinlan Conf Room: Chair Pham? Present. For the record, Commissioner Hansen is absent. And before we proceed, Chair, Commissioners, and members of the public, Vice Chair Carter is participating remotely this evening. 7 00:00:25.490 --> 00:00:41.269 Quinlan Conf Room: We have not heard from any members of the public that they plan to participate in tonight's meeting from Vice Chair Carter's remote location. Vice Chair Carter, IEY 21411 Bay Avenue, Cupertino, California, 95014. 8 00:00:41.270 --> 00:00:41.940 Jack Carter, Vice Chair: Yes. 9 00:00:42.870 --> 00:00:46.120 Quinlan Conf Room: Can you confirm that you posted the agenda at your location? 10 00:00:46.330 --> 00:00:47.140 Jack Carter, Vice Chair: Yes. 11 00:00:47.830 --> 00:00:51.389 Quinlan Conf Room: Are there any individuals over the age of 18 with you? 12 00:00:52.090 --> 00:00:56.790 Quinlan Conf Room: who have indicated that they wish to make public comment or address the Commission. 13 00:00:57.130 --> 00:00:57.830 Jack Carter, Vice Chair: No. 14 00:00:58.710 --> 00:01:04.839 Quinlan Conf Room: I'll rely on you to notify me if any member of the public wishes to speak from your location. Thank you. 15 00:01:05.830 --> 00:01:07.149 Jack Carter, Vice Chair: I have heard of nothing. 16 00:01:08.600 --> 00:01:09.330 Quinlan Conf Room: Okay. 17 00:01:10.060 --> 00:01:21.119 Quinlan Conf Room: Alright. Thank you so much. Let's go ahead with the approval, the approval of minutes. We've got 2 min on the agenda, which is April 16th and May 21.st Do we have to do this in one or 2 actions. 18 00:01:21.890 --> 00:01:30.629 Quinlan Conf Room: 2 actions. Okay, is there a motion and a second to approve the Sustainability Commission minutes from April 16.th 19 00:01:31.090 --> 00:01:32.299 Quinlan Conf Room: I can do that. 20 00:01:32.730 --> 00:01:35.979 Quinlan Conf Room: I… I make a motion to approve. 21 00:01:36.810 --> 00:01:38.190 Quinlan Conf Room: I second. 22 00:01:38.860 --> 00:01:41.720 Quinlan Conf Room: Awesome. Shall we proceed with the roll call? 23 00:01:42.200 --> 00:01:49.029 Quinlan Conf Room: Chair Hansen is absent. Commissioner Pat Gokar? Yes. Commissioner Yang? Yep. Vice Chair Carter? 24 00:01:49.030 --> 00:01:49.730 Jack Carter, Vice Chair: Yay. 25 00:01:50.240 --> 00:01:51.020 Quinlan Conf Room: Chair. 26 00:01:51.990 --> 00:01:54.419 Quinlan Conf Room: Vice Chair Carter, was that a name? 27 00:01:54.420 --> 00:01:58.290 Jack Carter, Vice Chair: That's a… I'm sorry, that was with a Y, that's a yes. 28 00:01:58.470 --> 00:02:05.919 Quinlan Conf Room: Oh, okay, that was a yes. Chair Fung. Aye. The motion carries unanimously with Commissioner Henson absent. 29 00:02:06.480 --> 00:02:12.480 Quinlan Conf Room: Alright, thank you so much. Let's proceed with the May 21st Commission minutes. Is there a motion and a second? 30 00:02:14.010 --> 00:02:15.400 Quinlan Conf Room: I can motion. 31 00:02:16.040 --> 00:02:17.540 Quinlan Conf Room: approve the minutes. 32 00:02:17.910 --> 00:02:19.660 Quinlan Conf Room: A second? 33 00:02:20.150 --> 00:02:21.200 Quinlan Conf Room: Alright. 34 00:02:23.360 --> 00:02:30.499 Quinlan Conf Room: Commissioner Nansen is absent. Commissioner Pat Gomkard? Yes. Commissioner Yang? Yep. Vice Chair Carter? 35 00:02:30.500 --> 00:02:31.180 Jack Carter, Vice Chair: Yes. 36 00:02:31.610 --> 00:02:35.980 Quinlan Conf Room: Chair Fung? Yes. The motion carries with Commissioner Hansen absent. 37 00:02:36.090 --> 00:02:50.930 Quinlan Conf Room: All right. Thank you so much. And let's move on to the next item on the agenda. Seeing that there are no postponements, we can move on to the oral communications. Are there any oral communications for today? We have no speakers here. 38 00:02:51.160 --> 00:02:56.540 Quinlan Conf Room: Alright, seeing that there are no members of the public here, we can move on to staff and commission reports. 39 00:02:57.110 --> 00:03:03.209 Quinlan Conf Room: Great. I just have a few calendar updates for you. Our next compost education 40 00:03:03.350 --> 00:03:06.399 Quinlan Conf Room: Workshop is planned for August 1st. 41 00:03:06.510 --> 00:03:17.229 Quinlan Conf Room: The Environmental Waste and Paper Shredding Day is August 29th. The Creek Cleanup will be September 19th. 42 00:03:17.470 --> 00:03:27.220 Quinlan Conf Room: The annual garage sale will be September 19th and 20th, and then the annual bike fest will be September 24th. 43 00:03:28.580 --> 00:03:32.109 Quinlan Conf Room: You know, if you need specific times or dates for those. 44 00:03:32.240 --> 00:03:43.860 Quinlan Conf Room: Additionally, our Waste Warriors application is open as of Monday. That is the turn… the title for the Commissioner project. 45 00:03:43.940 --> 00:03:59.530 Quinlan Conf Room: And then my last update is that we got approved budget for a new sustainability part-time intern. So this intern will be working on the new state law about not watering grass. 46 00:03:59.960 --> 00:04:02.249 Quinlan Conf Room: So maybe 1572. 47 00:04:04.980 --> 00:04:10.539 Quinlan Conf Room: Were you the hiring manager? I will be, yes. Oh, yeah. So they're going to report directly to you. Yeah. 48 00:04:11.620 --> 00:04:12.730 Quinlan Conf Room: Let's discuss. 49 00:04:14.310 --> 00:04:17.890 Quinlan Conf Room: Alright, thank you so much. Are there any other questions? 50 00:04:18.110 --> 00:04:19.399 Quinlan Conf Room: Mission updates? 51 00:04:19.570 --> 00:04:25.139 Quinlan Conf Room: No commission updates. I just have a comment. Can I do it now or later? Later. 52 00:04:25.640 --> 00:04:44.609 Quinlan Conf Room: Did you learn anything at the the meeting last night? Yeah. So that was my 1st commission chair meeting with the mayor. It was last night. So we selected the the crest awards winners. So that was quite fun. 53 00:04:44.690 --> 00:04:50.160 Quinlan Conf Room: There were a lot of applications. I'm not gonna review the winners here, since it's a public meeting. 54 00:04:50.280 --> 00:04:55.629 Quinlan Conf Room: But a lot of the applications were basically voided. 55 00:04:55.830 --> 00:05:04.600 Quinlan Conf Room: they they didn't count because a lot of the applicants didn't follow instructions. I kind of feel bad. That's more than half of them were moved. 56 00:05:05.010 --> 00:05:19.389 Quinlan Conf Room: There will not be a Business of the Year, because, again, just, yeah, people not following instructions. But instead, there will be two winners for the Rising Star Award. 57 00:05:19.530 --> 00:05:20.490 Quinlan Conf Room: And… 58 00:05:20.580 --> 00:05:39.929 Quinlan Conf Room: And then there's a lot of concerns, I think, and suggestions from other chairs about how the criteria of the CREST awards needed to be changed. So what the next Mayor's Commission chair meeting, that's what we'll talk about in September. But yeah, it was productive. 59 00:05:40.220 --> 00:05:44.280 Quinlan Conf Room: Thanks for asking. Are there any other commission reports? 60 00:05:47.280 --> 00:05:50.270 Quinlan Conf Room: Alright. If I share, Carter, do you have anything? 61 00:05:50.950 --> 00:05:51.710 Jack Carter, Vice Chair: No. 62 00:05:52.510 --> 00:06:07.999 Quinlan Conf Room: Alright, sounds good then. Then let's move on to our next item, old business, and there are no old business. So, under new business, we've got agenda item 3, strategies for identifying and engaging local stakeholders to advance climate goals. 63 00:06:08.410 --> 00:06:26.640 Quinlan Conf Room: Yes, I didn't prepare a PowerPoint for this one, because I didn't want to sway your conversation. However, I am here to participate in the conversation, you can ask me questions about what we're currently doing, but I know that you all are going to give us some new strategies. 64 00:06:26.690 --> 00:06:29.399 Quinlan Conf Room: What we maybe haven't considered yet. 65 00:06:30.730 --> 00:06:37.460 Quinlan Conf Room: So with that we can go to questions or public comment. If there's any questions. 66 00:06:37.700 --> 00:06:54.660 Quinlan Conf Room: I do, and I'll just start with, reading the recommended action of this item, which is for the Commission to identify opportunities to engage with local contractors, realtors, HOAs, and labor organizations, and provide other recommendations to staff. So… 67 00:06:54.920 --> 00:07:00.150 Quinlan Conf Room: I'll open it up for the commission. So is there a particular area we are looking at, or… 68 00:07:00.640 --> 00:07:06.500 Quinlan Conf Room: Nope, this item was proposed by you all for how we might network better with those groups. 69 00:07:09.530 --> 00:07:11.110 Quinlan Conf Room: Want to narrow it down? 70 00:07:11.850 --> 00:07:16.770 Quinlan Conf Room: So… So. 71 00:07:17.550 --> 00:07:20.470 Quinlan Conf Room: Kind of blanking here, but sorry. 72 00:07:20.700 --> 00:07:31.210 Quinlan Conf Room: This is regarding sustainability. So Do we want to, like, narrow it down to certain things, like… Material recycling. 73 00:07:31.400 --> 00:07:35.280 Quinlan Conf Room: Getting sustainable material, or what kind of things? 74 00:07:35.600 --> 00:07:42.210 Quinlan Conf Room: I think that's all for you to decide. The way that the item was written, it just said to promote climate action. 75 00:07:42.370 --> 00:07:49.020 Quinlan Conf Room: So that could be greenhouse gases or building energy is, I believe, what we talked about when we 76 00:07:49.290 --> 00:07:54.029 Quinlan Conf Room: Grant wrote this out, but we didn't want to limit it to just building energy at the time. 77 00:07:55.480 --> 00:08:09.070 Quinlan Conf Room: We can talk about water and how we're going to do our turf education to stop watering. That's commercial in HOA. We could talk about compliance with energy benchmarking and reporting building. 78 00:08:09.070 --> 00:08:17.699 Quinlan Conf Room: usage for energy. We could talk about waste and how we're complying with AB 1383, SB 1383. 79 00:08:17.700 --> 00:08:26.439 Quinlan Conf Room: And what we're doing to educate different sectors there. So that's why I didn't want to sway you. Like, there's conversations about green biz or. 80 00:08:26.980 --> 00:08:28.730 Quinlan Conf Room: Transportation. 81 00:08:29.250 --> 00:08:41.800 Quinlan Conf Room: Sorry to interject there. Maybe it'll be helpful for you to share, maybe like a quick 1 min overview of the different types of outreach programs that you have. I know we are out there boothing. 82 00:08:41.799 --> 00:08:46.799 Quinlan Conf Room: And then there's the Youth Climate Conference coming up, and sometimes the commissioners, those are also shared. 83 00:08:46.800 --> 00:09:06.099 Quinlan Conf Room: But from staff's perspective, if you have like a strategy or like an outline of what you're already doing, then that would be very helpful. Our standard protocol, we have different levels of engagement, right? So if we are promoting a survey, it might be an online promotion, doing tabling that you've all helped us with. 84 00:09:06.120 --> 00:09:17.409 Quinlan Conf Room: Most of our, like, workshops that are available, it's mostly just social media. For garage sale, we'll do some additional, like, print ad newspaper. 85 00:09:17.410 --> 00:09:33.869 Quinlan Conf Room: Marketing, for waste in 1383, you actually have to visit all of our commercial businesses in person annually. So those are like the main strategies we have right now is like digital print flyers. 86 00:09:34.210 --> 00:09:39.760 Quinlan Conf Room: Newspapers, social media, this is digital, and then some door-to-door. 87 00:09:40.520 --> 00:09:58.779 Quinlan Conf Room: And I… and did you mention that you also have a dashboard that would communicate the city's climate progress, right, or… We do have several different types of… so our Climate Nav Hub is, like, our one central place of, like, what communities can do to take action, and then what is the city doing? 88 00:09:59.050 --> 00:10:06.890 Quinlan Conf Room: And then we just have so much content on our websites that we very frequently just point back to certain web pages. 89 00:10:07.110 --> 00:10:07.920 Quinlan Conf Room: Check. 90 00:10:09.330 --> 00:10:15.199 Jack Carter, Vice Chair: Do we have, when somebody is applying to build something. 91 00:10:15.950 --> 00:10:18.610 Jack Carter, Vice Chair: Do we have a way to… 92 00:10:20.480 --> 00:10:31.029 Jack Carter, Vice Chair: get the builder some new information about what is available for this stuff. Because if I was a builder. 93 00:10:31.450 --> 00:10:42.829 Jack Carter, Vice Chair: I would be tired, and I would do the least I could in order to move forward. And I'm… so I'm not reading up, I'm not up to date. 94 00:10:43.240 --> 00:10:50.749 Jack Carter, Vice Chair: They don't… I don't know that if, you know, maybe doing green stuff is more economical. I don't know. 95 00:10:50.880 --> 00:10:55.779 Jack Carter, Vice Chair: I'm just wondering when… so, I think Cupertino's… 96 00:10:56.210 --> 00:11:08.239 Jack Carter, Vice Chair: opportunity, and this might be just, you know, way too much work for Cupertino, but Cupertino's opportunity is they have to… if someone has to apply to get a permit. 97 00:11:08.650 --> 00:11:15.559 Jack Carter, Vice Chair: And that's our, that's our hook. And I was wondering if that would be a conduit. 98 00:11:15.750 --> 00:11:19.350 Jack Carter, Vice Chair: To maybe getting more, sustainable building. 99 00:11:20.110 --> 00:11:27.830 Quinlan Conf Room: Yeah, we do have a trifold handout at the building counter for specifically education around heat pumps. 100 00:11:27.990 --> 00:11:32.689 Quinlan Conf Room: Because they're supposed to get a permit for heat pumps so that you can consider your options. 101 00:11:32.840 --> 00:11:37.359 Quinlan Conf Room: And then other resources and rebates available around heat pumps. 102 00:11:37.690 --> 00:11:55.049 Quinlan Conf Room: heat pumps. So the water heating and space heating to go from gas to electric. So that is like a very streamlined permitting process that just gives you some more education and options specifically for rebates and why you should switch. 103 00:11:55.170 --> 00:11:59.480 Quinlan Conf Room: and so we keep that pretty consistent. 104 00:11:59.870 --> 00:12:13.729 Quinlan Conf Room: a few years ago, when we had our Climate Victory Gardens program, we actually did a big effort to remove permit barriers for, landscape conversion, if you're going from grass to, water… 105 00:12:13.900 --> 00:12:25.060 Quinlan Conf Room: drought, restrictive landscaping because we didn't want people to have to go through an additional permitting process just to re landscape and doing the right thing. 106 00:12:25.560 --> 00:12:36.780 Quinlan Conf Room: So it depends on what exactly you're talking about. But most of our building permit counters and and permit processes just have to comply with our municipal code. So there's not 107 00:12:37.230 --> 00:12:38.919 Quinlan Conf Room: A whole lot of choice. 108 00:12:39.370 --> 00:12:45.060 Jack Carter, Vice Chair: No, we're not… I'm not talking about forcing people to do anything. It's just more like… 109 00:12:45.610 --> 00:12:47.780 Jack Carter, Vice Chair: if I'm putting up, you know. 110 00:12:48.050 --> 00:12:53.570 Jack Carter, Vice Chair: If I'm building a new fr… if I'm framing out a house and everything, there might be… 111 00:12:54.300 --> 00:13:00.420 Jack Carter, Vice Chair: New gypson… gypson… Greener… 112 00:13:00.630 --> 00:13:09.009 Jack Carter, Vice Chair: what do you call it, drywall, options, or whatever. I mean, just as things change constantly, and maybe just… 113 00:13:09.950 --> 00:13:21.569 Jack Carter, Vice Chair: that they just get an informational, not something that says, no, you can't do this, or you have to do it this way. It's just like saying, here are the options that we, you know. 114 00:13:22.290 --> 00:13:28.330 Jack Carter, Vice Chair: we think are pretty cool if you want to do it or flop better wording, of course, than that. But. 115 00:13:29.740 --> 00:13:34.090 Quinlan Conf Room: Hey, is it a… extending from what he's saying, right? So… 116 00:13:34.650 --> 00:13:39.209 Quinlan Conf Room: We built our house, and at every point we had to have an inspection done. 117 00:13:39.720 --> 00:13:43.830 Quinlan Conf Room: Right? So, is there a way we can enforce 118 00:13:43.840 --> 00:14:01.630 Quinlan Conf Room: if you don't want to say enforce, but sustainability, inspection like whatever they could do. Have they done it or not? Normally, people do like we have entities in our house because we want electricity bills to lower whatever right? But there are other things we never thought about. 119 00:14:01.730 --> 00:14:20.240 Quinlan Conf Room: Yeah, our Climate Action Plan is actually CEQA qualified, which means that when people submit for building a larger project, residential and commercial, they have to fill out our CEQA streamlined checklist. And that tells us how sustainable they're being. 120 00:14:20.360 --> 00:14:36.180 Quinlan Conf Room: It is not… you hear about CEQA exempt all the time, and, like, most residential projects are CEQA exempt, so they don't have to comply. It's more of an informational gathering exercise for us right now. 121 00:14:36.180 --> 00:14:45.579 Quinlan Conf Room: Because they don't need to fill it out so we can't require them to do a lot of the things. Do you have statistics how many people are doing it and how you know. 122 00:14:45.890 --> 00:15:04.189 Quinlan Conf Room: We're doing what? Sorry. How many people are filling this and how many people are not? They have to fill it. They have to fill it out. Whether or not they're doing it. Well, they have to be different. We can't enforce them to do it. So there's no code enforcement piece to that. We just have an informational database. 123 00:15:04.590 --> 00:15:07.230 Quinlan Conf Room: And that is through the building permit system. 124 00:15:08.870 --> 00:15:11.989 Jack Carter, Vice Chair: Okay, that's closer to what I was asking about. I mean. 125 00:15:11.990 --> 00:15:12.630 Quinlan Conf Room: Okay. 126 00:15:12.630 --> 00:15:14.320 Jack Carter, Vice Chair: I think sometimes people… 127 00:15:15.350 --> 00:15:22.660 Jack Carter, Vice Chair: aren't aware that there are options there that are that are actually going to do do well. So. 128 00:15:22.660 --> 00:15:38.839 Quinlan Conf Room: And that checklist covers everything. It was built from our climate action plan. So it goes into foodware, it goes into bike racks and how many bike racks they have. It goes into what appliances they're installing. It's very detailed. 129 00:15:39.040 --> 00:15:43.960 Quinlan Conf Room: What is the name that I have never heard? Acequa? C-E- Q-A? 130 00:15:45.230 --> 00:15:47.810 Quinlan Conf Room: Streamlined checklist. 131 00:15:50.010 --> 00:15:51.490 Quinlan Conf Room: When did this start? 132 00:15:51.790 --> 00:16:10.109 Quinlan Conf Room: With the adoption of our climate action plan, it had to be 22. Yeah, it had to be approved by the state that we qualify and meet these targets and can ask these questions. I have a question, but let me know if it's off topic. If it is, then we can go past it. 133 00:16:10.810 --> 00:16:29.519 Quinlan Conf Room: I have a quick question about SEO, so search engine optimization. I'm wondering, you mentioned newspaper, digital, social media, all that stuff. Which one has been the most effective based off what you've seen? That's such a great question and something that I think about as I Google our own web pages. 134 00:16:30.000 --> 00:16:49.730 Quinlan Conf Room: that they don't come up very high in our ranking. And I have worked with IT, not for a while now, but our website views are pretty low. Waste. Everyone loves waste. And those are our pages that are visited the most by far. It's when someone types it up versus when they click a link that. 135 00:16:49.730 --> 00:16:51.600 Quinlan Conf Room: redirects them to that system. 136 00:16:51.630 --> 00:17:06.369 Quinlan Conf Room: Yeah, so, like, I've been seeing a lot of, yeah, just a lot of optimization, like, analytics, and I'm wondering what works with, what works for the city of Cupertino, and then how do we maximize, you know, what people are going to? Is it QR codes? Is it these, is it these, like, booths? Like. 137 00:17:06.430 --> 00:17:08.990 Quinlan Conf Room: what what are we missing? And then how do we like? 138 00:17:09.079 --> 00:17:16.660 Quinlan Conf Room: target that and exemplify. So the thing is that this is not a required thing, right? Like 139 00:17:16.660 --> 00:17:35.189 Quinlan Conf Room: Oh, no, sustainability. Nothing. It's not like they're high on people's minds. Yeah, they don't wake up and be like, how can I be more sustainable? But when they get that rabbit hole, they're like, oh, I want to learn more. Wait, I didn't know about that. Oh, now I can see this thing. So I'm wondering, like, what is their mind map? 140 00:17:35.190 --> 00:17:44.159 Quinlan Conf Room: And how do we kind of navigate that for them, guide them through that? Friendly reminder, we're in question period. Downstairs is what works for. 141 00:17:44.160 --> 00:17:45.260 Quinlan Conf Room: Get the team up. 142 00:17:45.390 --> 00:17:52.609 Quinlan Conf Room: Well, my question is, do you have it? The staff have any specific engagements with the business community. 143 00:17:53.300 --> 00:17:54.280 Quinlan Conf Room: Now. 144 00:17:54.470 --> 00:18:09.589 Quinlan Conf Room: Besides waste audits and foodware ordinance. Yeah, we do a lot of restaurant audits to comply with, make sure they're compliant with foodware and a lot of, business. 145 00:18:10.180 --> 00:18:17.080 Quinlan Conf Room: for educating around waste sorting. But that's because it's been state law. We had green biz. 146 00:18:17.180 --> 00:18:24.600 Quinlan Conf Room: Are you familiar with that? Green business has been defunded at the county level as of last year. 147 00:18:24.810 --> 00:18:45.699 Quinlan Conf Room: So before COVID, Cupertino would expand the county's program by offering like a white glove service where we would come in and actually sit with them while they filled out the application and gave them gift cards to go to Staples to buy the recycled paper and to help them find what printer worked. 148 00:18:45.700 --> 00:18:50.050 Quinlan Conf Room: And we spent many hours as staff sitting down and working with the businesses. 149 00:18:50.050 --> 00:18:55.290 Quinlan Conf Room: But they had to go through the inspection process at the county, which no longer is an option. 150 00:18:58.710 --> 00:18:59.750 Quinlan Conf Room: Okay. 151 00:19:01.260 --> 00:19:15.489 Quinlan Conf Room: Is this related to the funding that was also dismissed last year? I forgot the name of it. But there was a grant where we applied for, and it was looking good, and then it just got dropped. I think it's different. Is that different? Yeah. 152 00:19:16.690 --> 00:19:26.080 Quinlan Conf Room: I was thinking same thing. Can we have a grant for that somewhere from somewhere? Well, the audits would have to come from the county. 153 00:19:26.210 --> 00:19:29.979 Quinlan Conf Room: So, unless the county applied for a grant and received that. 154 00:19:30.560 --> 00:19:35.820 Quinlan Conf Room: Then then the city wouldn't be able to administer that just on the city level. 155 00:19:36.050 --> 00:19:43.200 Quinlan Conf Room: I mean, we could help them implement the actions, they just wouldn't get the recognition for it. Can we do the citywide resolution? 156 00:19:43.680 --> 00:19:46.189 Quinlan Conf Room: So we have to use it county-wide. 157 00:19:46.880 --> 00:19:51.249 Quinlan Conf Room: I know that we don't want to spend a lot of money, probably, but… 158 00:19:53.070 --> 00:19:59.709 Quinlan Conf Room: there is something that's smaller on smaller scale. Yeah, one of the big perks of the green biz is that it was like a 159 00:19:59.820 --> 00:20:02.229 Quinlan Conf Room: national level program. 160 00:20:02.380 --> 00:20:22.109 Quinlan Conf Room: State or national. I think they had it nationally, but it was really recognized in California, and so they, as their business would get certified, they would would be on a huge map of all of the other green businesses, and they have that sticker or not sticker they have. I remember that. So why, why did they drop that? 161 00:20:22.190 --> 00:20:31.380 Quinlan Conf Room: The county's in a huge budget deficit. I think they're in a billion dollar deficit this year. I don't understand this in California, but anyway… 162 00:20:32.060 --> 00:20:39.090 Quinlan Conf Room: Yeah, that's what I've heard Where did it go wrong? Well, it's all of the federal. 163 00:20:40.810 --> 00:20:41.730 Quinlan Conf Room: Hello. 164 00:20:42.050 --> 00:20:42.960 Quinlan Conf Room: Anyway. 165 00:20:43.280 --> 00:20:46.949 Quinlan Conf Room: Are there any other questions before we move on to discussion? 166 00:20:47.560 --> 00:20:53.059 Quinlan Conf Room: So I also wanted to. So talk about the 167 00:20:54.170 --> 00:21:00.260 Quinlan Conf Room: This is, again, again, business-related, but a lot of businesses have their lights on at night. 168 00:21:00.950 --> 00:21:05.499 Quinlan Conf Room: So that is another thing I always watch, and I will see why they have their lights on. 169 00:21:05.670 --> 00:21:11.570 Quinlan Conf Room: Right? So either they can do the automated thing where, you know, when people enter, it turns on. 170 00:21:12.040 --> 00:21:14.760 Quinlan Conf Room: Oh, the motion sensor. Motion sensor. 171 00:21:15.300 --> 00:21:22.419 Quinlan Conf Room: But otherwise, why they have it on, right? Unless and until you have solar, and it's operating on solar. 172 00:21:23.160 --> 00:21:30.850 Quinlan Conf Room: I believe… my understanding is that I think there's some requirements that the offices have to keep some lights on. Yeah, I think it's, like, a mix of fire… 173 00:21:31.320 --> 00:21:40.830 Quinlan Conf Room: But everybody has all lights on like, have you seen? You should see. Yeah, I walked through Main Street, you know, and it. 174 00:21:40.950 --> 00:21:48.120 Quinlan Conf Room: when I pass by like the photo shops like I see offices. I mean, yeah, I It's… it's… 175 00:21:49.140 --> 00:21:54.969 Quinlan Conf Room: So that is another thing I think about. So the gas thing is, is it dead, or is it going to come again back? 176 00:21:55.280 --> 00:21:57.660 Quinlan Conf Room: the national oil gas book. 177 00:21:57.980 --> 00:21:59.500 Quinlan Conf Room: There's others. 178 00:21:59.920 --> 00:22:07.189 Quinlan Conf Room: The ban on natural gas for new infrastructure? Is that what you're talking about? For the businesses? Yeah. 179 00:22:07.940 --> 00:22:11.740 Quinlan Conf Room: For the businesses, they went back because of Berkeley, right? 180 00:22:12.030 --> 00:22:15.040 Quinlan Conf Room: Yeah, yeah, anyone can install gas lines. 181 00:22:15.950 --> 00:22:27.849 Quinlan Conf Room: We do have a reach code for energy efficiency score, but that's slightly different. They can meet that score through a number of different ways, including electric appliances. 182 00:22:27.930 --> 00:22:44.079 Quinlan Conf Room: but it doesn't restrict. If they install gas lines at all. So do we have statistics on this also, like how many businesses are compliant like, can we show that somewhere saying that? Okay? Because for climate action also, we might need that information. 183 00:22:44.310 --> 00:22:54.550 Quinlan Conf Room: We have statistics if there's development, recent development, right? But we're not going door to door to see if what type of water heater people have. 184 00:22:55.600 --> 00:23:10.260 Quinlan Conf Room: But it's not. But then we are saying that the only new for only new businesses we are seeing whether they have. They are meeting that energy efficiency. Yeah, not for the old existing buildings. No, okay. 185 00:23:10.540 --> 00:23:17.529 Quinlan Conf Room: Sometimes should we start the existing buildings? So that's a huge, huge project right now. So, 186 00:23:17.700 --> 00:23:35.890 Quinlan Conf Room: The state has passed AB802, which is energy benchmarking. That's what we had the presentation on a while ago. So buildings over 50,000 square feet have to report if they're… how efficient their buildings are, and this is all existing buildings. 187 00:23:36.140 --> 00:23:38.009 Quinlan Conf Room: And they… 188 00:23:38.440 --> 00:23:49.520 Quinlan Conf Room: last week just released a plan on improving the performance of those buildings. So now they have a baseline for how efficient they are, and they're saying. 189 00:23:49.540 --> 00:24:05.199 Quinlan Conf Room: You need to create a standard that it has to be 10% more efficient in the five years and then 50% more efficient in 10 years after that. So they're creating, they don't have those thresholds yet. That was just an example. 190 00:24:05.860 --> 00:24:13.249 Quinlan Conf Room: But that's a they're the state strategy right now, and the main strategy people are pushing for existing buildings. 191 00:24:17.500 --> 00:24:24.219 Quinlan Conf Room: Oh, so does that answer your question? Yes. Okay. So in the in the like next few months or next year. 192 00:24:24.880 --> 00:24:28.730 Quinlan Conf Room: Our strategy… We are looking for strategies. 193 00:24:28.910 --> 00:24:34.270 Quinlan Conf Room: So, the one I'm asking her, she's a Gen Z or whatever, but… Oh, yeah. 194 00:24:34.810 --> 00:24:43.319 Quinlan Conf Room: But I, like… If we can have a program on Instagram, right? Like, people sometimes, how it goes viral… 195 00:24:43.930 --> 00:24:49.340 Quinlan Conf Room: Yeah, yeah, like this new generation people. 196 00:24:50.070 --> 00:24:50.870 Quinlan Conf Room: Okay. 197 00:24:51.640 --> 00:24:56.320 Quinlan Conf Room: Who is in charge of our Instagram, by the way? Sorry, that's just off topic. Our city manager's office. 198 00:24:56.890 --> 00:25:02.679 Quinlan Conf Room: We can't have our own social media pages for just environmental. 199 00:25:02.980 --> 00:25:05.129 Quinlan Conf Room: So there is not much we can do, basically. 200 00:25:05.370 --> 00:25:14.810 Quinlan Conf Room: for social media. We have to ask and get a label for everything. Yeah, like, we can show them a draft, and then if they approve it, go on the page type of deal. Okay, how long would that take? 201 00:25:16.770 --> 00:25:18.250 Quinlan Conf Room: Let me try. 202 00:25:18.600 --> 00:25:21.300 Quinlan Conf Room: Yeah, yes, it depends. Okay, okay. 203 00:25:22.070 --> 00:25:24.799 Quinlan Conf Room: Okay, just just entertaining the idea. 204 00:25:26.040 --> 00:25:37.050 Quinlan Conf Room: Meaning if we want to do outreach, that's the best, right? Social media. Social media right now. Like you have a contest of some kind where people do. 205 00:25:37.230 --> 00:25:40.739 Quinlan Conf Room: How sustainable is my my house, right? 206 00:25:40.930 --> 00:25:46.079 Quinlan Conf Room: Some small thing, not, like, say, count how many LEDs you have in your house. 207 00:25:46.530 --> 00:25:54.809 Quinlan Conf Room: So they do all these kinds of things like I am not into that a lot. But kids used to do all these kind of challenges right? 208 00:25:55.250 --> 00:25:58.020 Quinlan Conf Room: So, some kind of challenges, if you do… 209 00:25:58.580 --> 00:26:08.740 Quinlan Conf Room: People can, people, I'm not sure. I can write that down. I also don't know if, how, please advise if businesses are more engaged with. 210 00:26:09.150 --> 00:26:13.110 Quinlan Conf Room: Challenges like that, because to me, that's more of a residential or youth 211 00:26:13.450 --> 00:26:30.480 Quinlan Conf Room: meaning that will give them publicity. Yeah, right? So it's a publicity aspect. Right? For example, it could be a mix of both. We could do like a treasure. I don't know. I'm just like thinking out loud like a treasure hunt, you know. Hit up these 3 businesses. Ask about these questions right? 212 00:26:30.550 --> 00:26:35.549 Quinlan Conf Room: and kind of like a bingo treasure map. Bingo, like so many of those things. 213 00:26:35.700 --> 00:26:54.630 Quinlan Conf Room: So many legal things there. Yeah. But I agree that, like on Earth Day, you can do a treasure hunt, saying that, find the 3 businesses which have which are using the most sustainable stuff. I remember last year there was like a Halloween thing, and like they would have to go door to door to each each door, and then 214 00:26:54.650 --> 00:27:04.900 Quinlan Conf Room: I mean, I know it's not as… not really a contest, but, like, they would ask about, and if they answer the question right, or spun a wheel, they would get candy. 215 00:27:05.070 --> 00:27:15.799 Quinlan Conf Room: This is like an ice ice bucket challenge. Right? People used to do that and post it on the Internet. Yes, yeah. So some something similar to that is Jack away. 216 00:27:15.950 --> 00:27:26.259 Quinlan Conf Room: Yeah, no, his hand is up. Yeah. Jack, go ahead. No, his hand is up. Yeah. Jack, do you want to share your comments? 217 00:27:27.110 --> 00:27:28.719 Jack Carter, Vice Chair: Yes, 218 00:27:29.060 --> 00:27:30.600 Quinlan Conf Room: Sorry, do you have a question? 219 00:27:30.830 --> 00:27:34.470 Quinlan Conf Room: If you don't, if you have a comment, we gotta go to public comment first. 220 00:27:35.350 --> 00:27:42.290 Jack Carter, Vice Chair: I… You were asking for… You were asking for things about what business would, 221 00:27:42.580 --> 00:27:46.210 Jack Carter, Vice Chair: Would… way to encourage businesses, is that correct? 222 00:27:47.380 --> 00:27:52.650 Quinlan Conf Room: Yes, but we're still in the question period. So if you have a question like what we're doing right now. 223 00:27:52.650 --> 00:27:57.669 Jack Carter, Vice Chair: Okay, so I do not have a question, so I'm going to lower my hand right now. 224 00:27:58.290 --> 00:28:06.579 Quinlan Conf Room: Then, if it's okay with the commissioners, if we're done with questions, then let's move on to the discussion. 225 00:28:06.870 --> 00:28:08.470 Quinlan Conf Room: public comment. 226 00:28:08.880 --> 00:28:18.399 Quinlan Conf Room: Are there any public comments we see for this item? We have no speakers shared. Thank you so much. All right, let's move on to discussion then. Great. Go ahead, Jenny. 227 00:28:18.400 --> 00:28:22.249 Jack Carter, Vice Chair: Okay, so when I, as a budding… 228 00:28:23.300 --> 00:28:38.220 Jack Carter, Vice Chair: hobby business person, I start looking at stuff like restaurants and other businesses when I approach their buildings and what's inside. And one of the things you see on a lot of buildings are little stickers saying, 229 00:28:38.390 --> 00:28:42.580 Jack Carter, Vice Chair: You know, top… You know, best… 230 00:28:42.790 --> 00:28:46.300 Jack Carter, Vice Chair: of this, or the… or I… I am… 231 00:28:46.450 --> 00:28:52.169 Jack Carter, Vice Chair: I don't know what they… I can't even remember right now, but the thing is, if we have a… 232 00:28:52.780 --> 00:28:56.680 Jack Carter, Vice Chair: a… Sticker sort of thing that would. 233 00:28:56.790 --> 00:29:01.499 Jack Carter, Vice Chair: say, I'm a green Cupertino green business. 234 00:29:02.660 --> 00:29:07.219 Jack Carter, Vice Chair: And that'd be, you know, make something that would be, you know, advantageous. 235 00:29:07.980 --> 00:29:14.840 Jack Carter, Vice Chair: But also, another thing is, as an ex-software engineer, sometimes we would spend 236 00:29:14.980 --> 00:29:26.360 Jack Carter, Vice Chair: inordinate amount of time solving these problems that I thought would need to be solved, which were really not the main… not… they're just nits. 237 00:29:27.240 --> 00:29:30.819 Jack Carter, Vice Chair: So sometimes you need to look at the whole… 238 00:29:31.040 --> 00:29:34.710 Jack Carter, Vice Chair: You know, all the range of things that we want them to change. 239 00:29:35.070 --> 00:29:40.670 Jack Carter, Vice Chair: And say what are the more important things and and not harp on. 240 00:29:40.810 --> 00:29:48.010 Jack Carter, Vice Chair: not bury people with a million different things. That was… so that's my suggestion, is to narrow down 241 00:29:48.330 --> 00:29:58.249 Jack Carter, Vice Chair: the big requirements, and we… and when the big requirements get nailed, then we could open up to more of the little… the, tertiary arguments. 242 00:29:59.120 --> 00:30:03.739 Jack Carter, Vice Chair: requirements or whatever. I don't know if any of that made sense, but 243 00:30:05.560 --> 00:30:17.939 Quinlan Conf Room: It does. So, this year, we can ask them to shut down lights every day, when they go out, right? Have the bare minimum lights possible. And then we also have the… 244 00:30:18.250 --> 00:30:24.149 Quinlan Conf Room: What is the plastic thingy, right, we have, where they have to use… not use the plastic. 245 00:30:24.570 --> 00:30:33.749 Quinlan Conf Room: The foodware ordinance? Yeah. So that one we can see, people can go and see if this business compliance, and I know that we can report it. 246 00:30:33.900 --> 00:30:37.060 Quinlan Conf Room: So that is another thing we can do. 247 00:30:37.410 --> 00:30:38.970 Jack Carter, Vice Chair: But so not, but so not. 248 00:30:39.270 --> 00:30:40.110 Quinlan Conf Room: Sure. 249 00:30:40.110 --> 00:30:48.649 Jack Carter, Vice Chair: Sally, one of the issues about the lights is I would be asking… Do… if they're using… 250 00:30:48.890 --> 00:30:50.940 Jack Carter, Vice Chair: Super efficient lighting. 251 00:30:51.600 --> 00:30:59.200 Jack Carter, Vice Chair: Is it really using up that much energy versus the security they have of having their place lit up? 252 00:31:02.010 --> 00:31:05.609 Jack Carter, Vice Chair: So, and I don't know the quick answer to that. 253 00:31:05.610 --> 00:31:06.260 Quinlan Conf Room: Well, yeah. 254 00:31:06.380 --> 00:31:25.100 Quinlan Conf Room: So Jack, are you saying, so transportation is by far our greatest greenhouse gas emissions. Are you trying to say that we should focus on promoting EV chargers at businesses or rebates for EV chargers at businesses where we're trying to hit the biggest, make the biggest impact? 255 00:31:25.300 --> 00:31:26.820 Jack Carter, Vice Chair: Well, 256 00:31:28.040 --> 00:31:42.400 Jack Carter, Vice Chair: Probably so. I mean… Okay. I mean, basically, if we're trying to get… if we're trying to get our numbers down, if we focus on these… I mean, yes, there's gonna be some low-lying fruit that's really small, and we can… we can nail it. But… but… 257 00:31:43.050 --> 00:31:57.980 Jack Carter, Vice Chair: and generally, if we're trying to get our numbers down, we need to hit the… the big… you know, the big hitters, and… but we also have to look at the big hitters and say, is it even feasible for us? Are we gonna hit the… you know, are… are we gonna… 258 00:31:59.640 --> 00:32:03.719 Jack Carter, Vice Chair: Will Sacramento destroy, you know, prevent us from doing it, or whatever? 259 00:32:04.210 --> 00:32:08.260 Jack Carter, Vice Chair: But I think you go for the big bucks. 260 00:32:08.670 --> 00:32:14.900 Jack Carter, Vice Chair: And then you get your percentages down, and then we could say, okay, we've, we've, we've dropped this thing. 261 00:32:15.130 --> 00:32:17.420 Jack Carter, Vice Chair: Our usage by 10%. 262 00:32:18.070 --> 00:32:21.210 Jack Carter, Vice Chair: And maybe we just hit one element. 263 00:32:23.720 --> 00:32:34.640 Quinlan Conf Room: Jack, I'm curious. Let's say you had two minutes to talk to those big bucks or the top whatever businesses that are using the most energy. 264 00:32:35.120 --> 00:32:41.149 Quinlan Conf Room: in those 2 min. How would you make your statement? What would you say to them like you have your soapbox. You have 2 min, and 265 00:32:41.400 --> 00:32:46.960 Quinlan Conf Room: they will absorb what you say. What would you give them? What would you say to kind of empower them? 266 00:32:47.780 --> 00:32:52.130 Jack Carter, Vice Chair: Well, first of all, yeah, first of all, I want them to save money. 267 00:32:53.150 --> 00:32:55.320 Jack Carter, Vice Chair: So, I'll be talking about money. 268 00:32:55.540 --> 00:33:00.499 Jack Carter, Vice Chair: how much… and, and I would be talking about all the benefits. 269 00:33:00.790 --> 00:33:03.470 Jack Carter, Vice Chair: That are benefiting them. 270 00:33:05.440 --> 00:33:09.650 Jack Carter, Vice Chair: I've gone from being a tree hugger as a teenager in early 20, 271 00:33:09.980 --> 00:33:16.219 Jack Carter, Vice Chair: to realizing you can't talk about saving the world. You have to talk about saving 272 00:33:16.340 --> 00:33:21.430 Jack Carter, Vice Chair: Their business. And if getting transportation for their employees 273 00:33:21.630 --> 00:33:26.220 Jack Carter, Vice Chair: And getting those EV things in the parking lot to attract their employees. 274 00:33:26.440 --> 00:33:34.759 Jack Carter, Vice Chair: I would sell it like that. You're gonna get better employees, you're gonna get, you know, healthier employees, because we're not having as much… 275 00:33:35.030 --> 00:33:36.559 Jack Carter, Vice Chair: Stuff in the air. 276 00:33:36.680 --> 00:33:40.160 Jack Carter, Vice Chair: And we're going to save money, because we're going to do this efficiently. 277 00:33:42.840 --> 00:33:44.420 Jack Carter, Vice Chair: Does that make sense, Connie? 278 00:33:45.060 --> 00:33:52.199 Quinlan Conf Room: Yeah. I mean, you have more sales experience than me, so I, I, for me, I go to the experts. Well, I, I don't, yeah. 279 00:33:52.200 --> 00:33:58.310 Jack Carter, Vice Chair: Be aware. Be aware. Being older is doesn't necessarily mean having good experience. 280 00:34:02.140 --> 00:34:09.829 Quinlan Conf Room: So, when we say transportation, Are we measuring the vehicles going through Puerto Rico? 281 00:34:10.010 --> 00:34:12.590 Quinlan Conf Room: When we are saying the gas station. 282 00:34:13.290 --> 00:34:18.309 Quinlan Conf Room: So we are saying the the if the if it is about the 283 00:34:18.690 --> 00:34:28.820 Quinlan Conf Room: vehicles going through Cooper Dinho, how can we control? Right, in Cooper Dinho, we have, like we said, we are second in Bay Area to have most EV cars. 284 00:34:29.010 --> 00:34:33.549 Quinlan Conf Room: First is remote. So then… so we are doing our part, but… 285 00:34:33.960 --> 00:34:41.229 Quinlan Conf Room: what vehicles are passing through Cupertino, how are they going to control what kind of emission they will get, right? 286 00:34:41.730 --> 00:34:58.139 Quinlan Conf Room: Yeah, so a lot of that was addressed in the active transportation plan that was just adopted and that did a very thorough analysis of how traffic was flowing, how long cars were idling at different lights, how to improve, like reduce accidents. 287 00:34:58.260 --> 00:35:15.130 Quinlan Conf Room: How many lanes in order to reduce emissions, and then, of course, improving bike safety. So I think improving bike safety was a big focus for that, which is why we've done a lot of our Class 4 bike lanes, which will significantly cut emissions. 288 00:35:15.180 --> 00:35:20.350 Quinlan Conf Room: So, here is the thing. See, the biggest offices in Cupertino is Apple. 289 00:35:20.530 --> 00:35:25.050 Quinlan Conf Room: So, mostly people are coming to Apple, are coming from outside. 290 00:35:25.280 --> 00:35:30.229 Quinlan Conf Room: So they are not going to ride a bike unless they are living in Ubering or somewhere else, but… 291 00:35:30.560 --> 00:35:34.009 Quinlan Conf Room: I am not sure how this is going to help, though. 292 00:35:34.280 --> 00:35:34.640 Jack Carter, Vice Chair: You bet. 293 00:35:34.640 --> 00:35:35.250 Quinlan Conf Room: Eddie. 294 00:35:35.250 --> 00:35:40.659 Jack Carter, Vice Chair: I rode a bike to, on the… to the other side of 101, 295 00:35:41.140 --> 00:35:46.129 Jack Carter, Vice Chair: Multiple times a week, not every day of the week, but multiple times a week. 296 00:35:46.270 --> 00:35:48.229 Jack Carter, Vice Chair: For several different companies. 297 00:35:48.410 --> 00:36:00.670 Jack Carter, Vice Chair: So, but the, the biggest issue is it's just dangerous and we're getting, we're making it better, but the, but it is, it's hard for people who are not. 298 00:36:02.110 --> 00:36:03.820 Jack Carter, Vice Chair: Fanatic. 299 00:36:04.310 --> 00:36:07.449 Jack Carter, Vice Chair: And I'm sort of a fanatic, but 300 00:36:07.730 --> 00:36:17.180 Jack Carter, Vice Chair: I'm just saying, but people do want to… if you give people good riding routes, and safety… 301 00:36:17.360 --> 00:36:20.289 Jack Carter, Vice Chair: Then they will… more people will ride. 302 00:36:21.370 --> 00:36:28.370 Quinlan Conf Room: There is another issue to it, which I have faced, because even for doing carpooling, when I had kids. 303 00:36:28.430 --> 00:36:41.909 Quinlan Conf Room: I have kids, but this is a younger, and they had a lot of activity. I had to pick them up from school. I cannot even do carpool, because then I had to have my own schedule, so I had to ride my own car. 304 00:36:41.970 --> 00:36:54.530 Quinlan Conf Room: So, it was very hard for even doing carpooling at that point. Now it's fine, because now they are grown up and they… but now everybody has their own car. So, that is another issue. 305 00:36:54.710 --> 00:37:01.059 Quinlan Conf Room: So, anyway… But how do you measure that, then? How do you measure in Cooperative, like… 306 00:37:01.210 --> 00:37:14.679 Quinlan Conf Room: Did they actually went and did a survey on each light or? Yeah, you can see traffic flows. A lot of times they use cell phone data so they can see how many people are pinging to the closest towers. 307 00:37:15.130 --> 00:37:16.010 Quinlan Conf Room: Okay. 308 00:37:16.610 --> 00:37:26.239 Quinlan Conf Room: Well, I have a lot of thoughts. You have to forgive me. I'm trying not to think as a deputy city manager. I'm trying to think as a commissioner here. 309 00:37:26.550 --> 00:37:39.220 Quinlan Conf Room: There's a lot of good ideas, and I want to answer Staff's question about large businesses versus small businesses. I think Connie's question for Jack was a smart one about, like, oh, how would you pitch this to businesses? 310 00:37:39.390 --> 00:37:41.500 Quinlan Conf Room: You've got… 311 00:37:41.610 --> 00:37:56.420 Quinlan Conf Room: the small, medium-sized businesses, you also have the large businesses. The large businesses care a lot more about the PR, making themselves look like a community partner in the community. The best way to engage them is probably through the Copacino Chamber. 312 00:37:56.670 --> 00:38:03.659 Quinlan Conf Room: through their board. The board is made up of really kind of like board members, mostly 313 00:38:03.660 --> 00:38:19.159 Quinlan Conf Room: the big names. If you want to engage the small and medium-sized businesses, I'm a small business owner myself, and unfortunately, it's very hard to engage these populations. There's a million things to do, there's a lot of regulations, and there's very little staff. 314 00:38:19.160 --> 00:38:31.310 Quinlan Conf Room: The best way, I would say, to be respectful of staff time is probably partner with the economic development team. I also know that they… they have a very, very small team over in economic development. 315 00:38:31.310 --> 00:38:46.259 Quinlan Conf Room: But, having said that, aside from the team, and having Jack as our rep on the Economic Development Committee, there's probably some connections that staff and partner with Jack to leverage to pass on the resources. 316 00:38:47.280 --> 00:38:59.180 Quinlan Conf Room: the idea, or the challenge of partnering with the PIO and obtaining approval to post stuff on the city's social media, I completely understand it, but I think… 317 00:38:59.330 --> 00:39:06.090 Quinlan Conf Room: you know, Ice bucket challenge or some fun campaign idea would be great to start off. 318 00:39:06.190 --> 00:39:18.679 Quinlan Conf Room: Or even a small video or reel series talking about how the Waste Warrior Program is going. I agree, like, the reason for… if they are going to take time to approve it. 319 00:39:18.680 --> 00:39:32.069 Quinlan Conf Room: then the baseball program will be done, and then they will approve the view. Yeah, it may take some time, but then it's nice, like, people love seeing these 20, 25 seconds reels, talking about people's stories, what… 320 00:39:32.070 --> 00:39:51.090 Quinlan Conf Room: what the employees are learning and doing. But my final point here is how do you really get the businesses to care, aside from money? The other part is the relationships. In the business world, it's all about leveraging relationships and having a close relationship, so the best way, actually. 321 00:39:51.090 --> 00:40:08.900 Quinlan Conf Room: is to do presentations. Make yourself a partner in partnership with the economic development team. And over time, as you get to know these people, these big players of Apple or other big companies, they will actually slowly care and want to look good. 322 00:40:09.020 --> 00:40:12.660 Quinlan Conf Room: So… - it was, like, my distance. 323 00:40:13.780 --> 00:40:14.860 Quinlan Conf Room: Thank you. 324 00:40:15.500 --> 00:40:19.940 Jack Carter, Vice Chair: Also, the big… The big companies are… 325 00:40:21.300 --> 00:40:26.809 Jack Carter, Vice Chair: They do move, but they don't around, but they really don't like to move around. 326 00:40:26.940 --> 00:40:34.880 Jack Carter, Vice Chair: Whereas a small business, if it's successful, has to move. So I'm not… if I'm a small businessman. 327 00:40:36.320 --> 00:40:40.190 Jack Carter, Vice Chair: I will loathe to put in infrastructure. 328 00:40:40.420 --> 00:40:42.719 Jack Carter, Vice Chair: Invest in infrastructure. 329 00:40:42.920 --> 00:40:47.120 Jack Carter, Vice Chair: Because I know… I'm gonna just be leaving it behind. 330 00:40:47.860 --> 00:40:49.220 Jack Carter, Vice Chair: In a few years. 331 00:40:50.560 --> 00:40:55.880 Jack Carter, Vice Chair: So… my… I guess my… my elevator speech to the small. 332 00:40:56.110 --> 00:40:57.470 Jack Carter, Vice Chair: business person. 333 00:40:57.780 --> 00:41:02.939 Jack Carter, Vice Chair: Would definitely be different than for the… for the large, employer. 334 00:41:04.810 --> 00:41:08.579 Jack Carter, Vice Chair: It's complicated. You have to do your homework on who you're talking to. 335 00:41:10.390 --> 00:41:22.100 Quinlan Conf Room: But the economic development team and your connections at the Economic Development Committee should give you a good sense of, like, who you should be talking to, who you can talk to. That's great. 336 00:41:22.100 --> 00:41:30.760 Jack Carter, Vice Chair: Correct, and they've also they've they've sent us out to the pub to the businesses to when we're when we're giving them the 337 00:41:31.680 --> 00:41:34.079 Jack Carter, Vice Chair: The Amnesty Program? 338 00:41:35.350 --> 00:41:41.660 Jack Carter, Vice Chair: and so I had to go to a number of businesses to… Tell them they were… 339 00:41:41.790 --> 00:41:47.750 Jack Carter, Vice Chair: you know, we have this MSP program, and they're… that they noticed that they hadn't been paying or everything. 340 00:41:47.910 --> 00:41:56.849 Jack Carter, Vice Chair: And, it was a good opportunity for me to chat people up, because you… I mean, usually I don't talk very much, you guys know that. But anyway, 341 00:41:56.850 --> 00:41:59.780 Quinlan Conf Room: Wait, what? Tell me more. 342 00:41:59.780 --> 00:42:06.969 Jack Carter, Vice Chair: Yeah. Anyway, that is how it's done, is you going out and making contact and talking to folks. 343 00:42:11.430 --> 00:42:25.970 Quinlan Conf Room: I think, Jack, you mentioned that you're going out to speak with businesses, like, that is so rare. Like, rarely any cities in California will actually take the time to visit every business. So I think the relationships that you're building, that is such a bonus. 344 00:42:27.540 --> 00:42:31.149 Jack Carter, Vice Chair: Well, hopefully, hopefully, this was not just a 1, you know. 345 00:42:31.290 --> 00:42:32.000 Quinlan Conf Room: Okay. 346 00:42:32.420 --> 00:42:35.499 Jack Carter, Vice Chair: You know, one-time deal. We'll see how things go. 347 00:42:35.860 --> 00:42:44.440 Quinlan Conf Room: Meaning otherwise, I mean, I know it's hard for the staff to go right. You can send like a Google form. 348 00:42:44.630 --> 00:42:51.489 Quinlan Conf Room: You can create like a form and see what like, and they just tell them, pester them, that they have to fill it. 349 00:42:51.610 --> 00:43:02.810 Quinlan Conf Room: whatever information you need. And if you think that okay, these people are not, then you can kind of filter them and see who are not very good, or who are, and then just visit those people. 350 00:43:03.440 --> 00:43:04.909 Quinlan Conf Room: To get an idea. 351 00:43:05.530 --> 00:43:07.680 Quinlan Conf Room: So… 352 00:43:08.510 --> 00:43:24.930 Quinlan Conf Room: I think to Connie's point about the SEO, I feel like that's at least worth like a discussion with the PIO's office to see if there's anything that we could do to get our pages to pop up more. I think that's a fair ask. Yeah, I agree. 353 00:43:25.730 --> 00:43:30.010 Quinlan Conf Room: They definitely spike up when we do. Anytime we do this. 354 00:43:30.270 --> 00:43:34.949 Quinlan Conf Room: Yeah, absolutely. But then it's not maintained. 355 00:43:35.190 --> 00:43:38.679 Quinlan Conf Room: So like, how do we keep their nature, though? How do we make them come back? 356 00:43:39.570 --> 00:43:54.789 Quinlan Conf Room: So, that is… Updates are not enough, like… So, see, people normally, if you ask, not very interested in updates, right? Yeah. So, we said you can enroll and we can send email, so that… we are not going to send now, right? Whatever happened, right? 357 00:43:55.450 --> 00:44:07.720 Quinlan Conf Room: The newsletter, the green newsletter, we don't have any more planned. Yeah, so… Oh. So we are not going to send that. Otherwise, that is a way to kind of keeping it up, right? Like, with them. 358 00:44:07.910 --> 00:44:25.410 Quinlan Conf Room: with the people, because unless and until there is some project going on, people are not very interested. Yeah. So how involved are we with like second harvest food banks and food drives? We definitely have relationships with second harvest and West Valley community services. Have you done anything with them, or. 359 00:44:25.980 --> 00:44:39.660 Quinlan Conf Room: Pre covid, we did partner with them to track food recovery. Now that's all done kind of at the county level and for 1383 and it's man. Oh. 360 00:44:39.930 --> 00:44:47.199 Quinlan Conf Room: required by the state to do that food collection. So that's all tracked and reported in the CalRecycle annual report. 361 00:44:47.520 --> 00:44:48.280 Quinlan Conf Room: Oh. 362 00:44:49.070 --> 00:44:52.599 Quinlan Conf Room: because, like, correct me if I'm wrong, a lot of the… 363 00:44:52.930 --> 00:44:58.790 Quinlan Conf Room: Second harvest. The work they do around this area. A lot of them have to be residents of 364 00:44:58.970 --> 00:45:04.510 Quinlan Conf Room: Santa Clara County or Commissioner, to pick up those items. Is that right? Probably I don't know. 365 00:45:05.290 --> 00:45:07.120 Quinlan Conf Room: Okay. Yeah. 366 00:45:07.750 --> 00:45:11.219 Quinlan Conf Room: I have a question for the group. So, I love the Distinguish 367 00:45:11.420 --> 00:45:17.949 Quinlan Conf Room: between large and small businesses. We also listed, I believe it was HOAs and contractors. 368 00:45:18.140 --> 00:45:28.020 Quinlan Conf Room: And if you have any thoughts specifically, HOAs is going to be a big one for us with the new water regulations, to ask them to stop watering their grass. 369 00:45:28.350 --> 00:45:30.860 Quinlan Conf Room: There's a there's a it's like telling them that. 370 00:45:31.220 --> 00:45:32.870 Quinlan Conf Room: That's like telling them to stop breathing 371 00:45:33.120 --> 00:45:42.060 Quinlan Conf Room: And if you have specific methods of engaging with HOAs. Yeah, it can be an invitational thing, right? 372 00:45:42.390 --> 00:45:51.420 Quinlan Conf Room: we have our so much material right now, right? We have prepared so much material. You can sort through it and just whatever is needed for… 373 00:45:51.590 --> 00:45:58.390 Quinlan Conf Room: they that their purpose we you can do one invitation invitational stuff like whichever has. 374 00:45:58.790 --> 00:46:06.209 Quinlan Conf Room: like in Cupertino. I don't know how many places we have HOA TV. What percentage of HOA makes up? 375 00:46:06.360 --> 00:46:13.479 Quinlan Conf Room: I don't know. I don't even know how many HOAs we have. Yeah. If you have contacts at HOAs, I would love it. 376 00:46:13.660 --> 00:46:18.040 Quinlan Conf Room: So the PIO's office does not have a… Interesting. 377 00:46:18.240 --> 00:46:28.720 Quinlan Conf Room: Yeah, how much we're targeting. So that one we okay, I don't want to digress. We were. We were planning asking that when we were doing the regnant thingy. 378 00:46:28.980 --> 00:46:37.650 Quinlan Conf Room: Because we wanted to see how many kids are coming from single family homes versus coming from rental places. Right. 379 00:46:38.650 --> 00:46:48.070 Quinlan Conf Room: So they do need contractors, right? Anyone you think that's of special importance for engagement, but those were the ones identified on the agenda item. 380 00:46:48.870 --> 00:47:09.239 Quinlan Conf Room: So this, I think, is beyond a sustainability thing. This is a public safety concern that a city does not have. They might, they might. But when I've asked, they haven't been able to provide that because I feel like that may that may be a city manager's office endeavor to like that with their council. So I'll I'll follow up. 381 00:47:09.240 --> 00:47:12.720 Quinlan Conf Room: Can we ask the mayor, and can we ask the mayor to ask? 382 00:47:12.720 --> 00:47:13.880 Quinlan Conf Room: City Manager? 383 00:47:14.350 --> 00:47:29.319 Quinlan Conf Room: I could probably message someone right now. I think the staff can, because I'm just… that's, like, an emergency management problem. That is also… and you know how many… how many single-family homes in Cupertino are rented? 384 00:47:29.810 --> 00:47:34.699 Quinlan Conf Room: Many of them. So even we don't have that data also, like, how many are rented out. 385 00:47:34.820 --> 00:47:38.779 Quinlan Conf Room: Except my other vendor, actually, owner living there. 386 00:47:38.970 --> 00:47:41.209 Quinlan Conf Room: Probably look right now, actually. 387 00:47:41.750 --> 00:47:44.289 Quinlan Conf Room: There's a database, and you can look through this stuff. 388 00:47:45.250 --> 00:47:50.130 Quinlan Conf Room: But… Yeah, I feel like… 389 00:47:50.610 --> 00:48:04.820 Quinlan Conf Room: I feel like this is a city manager's office discussion. They have the list of HOAs. I think for that, that part topic, I think we can start from knowing what is, which buildings are HOA buildings. 390 00:48:05.310 --> 00:48:13.400 Quinlan Conf Room: We do have, like, the boundary lines of where the HOAs are, but I don't know that we have good contacts for them. 391 00:48:13.620 --> 00:48:20.399 Quinlan Conf Room: So the offices of HOA should be the contact, right? I mean, that should be… if you ask ChatGPT, probably they will… 392 00:48:20.870 --> 00:48:26.810 Quinlan Conf Room: The list… Do you think that block leaders would be involved in their HOAs a lot? 393 00:48:28.290 --> 00:48:43.610 Quinlan Conf Room: Some of them I can ask, but I mean, we can ask there today. But like most of them are like my house is on a lane like houses. So it's between two streets. Okay. So all of them are single family. 394 00:48:44.290 --> 00:48:48.459 Quinlan Conf Room: Okay. But you still have a single family HOA. 395 00:48:48.710 --> 00:48:50.130 Quinlan Conf Room: So, yeah. 396 00:48:50.270 --> 00:49:07.230 Quinlan Conf Room: only like like the 7 Springs has. Yeah. So 7 Springs has a very small HOA like, I think it was like 50 ish dollars, not more than that, like other than like otherwise. Actually, if you have probably the one 397 00:49:07.230 --> 00:49:11.639 Quinlan Conf Room: next to the memorial park. The new one might have more. 398 00:49:11.650 --> 00:49:15.259 Quinlan Conf Room: But, 7th grade, yeah, like, 50-ish. 399 00:49:15.830 --> 00:49:19.979 Jack Carter, Vice Chair: Yeah, Seven Springs, I just… yeah, is that in Cupertino? Because… 400 00:49:19.980 --> 00:49:20.630 Quinlan Conf Room: Yeah, it'. 401 00:49:20.630 --> 00:49:22.700 Jack Carter, Vice Chair: Everybody there has lawn. 402 00:49:23.070 --> 00:49:33.870 Jack Carter, Vice Chair: if you… if… most of the rest of the areas I go through are… they're all going away from lawns, but Southern Springs is… is pretty lush. 403 00:49:34.280 --> 00:49:43.179 Quinlan Conf Room: It's not every in residential homes don't need to remove it. It's the HOA common areas. Common areas. Yeah. Yeah. All right. 404 00:49:46.820 --> 00:49:49.980 Quinlan Conf Room: So now can I make a comment? Now I have to make a comment. 405 00:49:50.480 --> 00:49:55.449 Quinlan Conf Room: Yeah. So I'm going to this pottery class in Cupertino. 406 00:49:56.140 --> 00:50:00.439 Quinlan Conf Room: Pottery. Oh, okay. And so much water wasting. 407 00:50:00.860 --> 00:50:16.450 Quinlan Conf Room: I'm not sure if there is anything for the pottery itself. No, when you wash everything you have to wash, you at least use like one whole 2 buckets of water. And then so she said that they have 408 00:50:16.620 --> 00:50:32.289 Quinlan Conf Room: where they actually… because there's a lot of clay in it, so they have where they do strain the clay, but I'm not sure how efficient it is, and I don't know, because this was built probably in 1950, 60, 70 sometime, I don't… 409 00:50:32.890 --> 00:50:34.960 Quinlan Conf Room: If it's that efficient or not. 410 00:50:35.550 --> 00:50:48.110 Quinlan Conf Room: I wonder if that could be considered, like, gray water afterwards? Well, it depends on what the pottery is. I don't know what the material, the clay… It is clay supposed to be okay. What kind of clay? There are multiple types of clay there. Oh, okay. 411 00:50:48.110 --> 00:50:58.590 Quinlan Conf Room: But they are supposed to be. If it's clean enough, then they can, like you said, filter it on. Correct. I'm not sure if, because this is like a old facility, I'm not sure what they have done to upgrade it. 412 00:50:58.960 --> 00:51:09.180 Quinlan Conf Room: Like if Potter uses that much water, can you imagine how much AI infrastructure uses? That's where my head goes. It's like, oh, I'm sure you saw. Yeah, that's a lot of water. 413 00:51:09.630 --> 00:51:10.420 Quinlan Conf Room: What? 414 00:51:10.740 --> 00:51:20.619 Jack Carter, Vice Chair: Well, doesn't the San Jose Water Company basically handle that by raising the rates the more water they use? 415 00:51:22.610 --> 00:51:25.590 Quinlan Conf Room: Yeah, they have tiered usage rates. 416 00:51:25.590 --> 00:51:26.360 Jack Carter, Vice Chair: Yeah, okay. 417 00:51:26.950 --> 00:51:31.659 Jack Carter, Vice Chair: So, I mean, for… for… I know that when we've… 418 00:51:31.830 --> 00:51:41.210 Jack Carter, Vice Chair: you know, do wonderful things, like forget we left the sprinkler on for days. We get punished pretty hard, harshly, financially. 419 00:51:42.630 --> 00:51:49.820 Jack Carter, Vice Chair: Are we talking about those people in this town that don't care about the money? 420 00:51:51.470 --> 00:51:55.030 Quinlan Conf Room: Oh, that's a problem. 421 00:51:55.940 --> 00:52:00.330 Quinlan Conf Room: But my water will probably triple in the last 10 years, that's what I think. 422 00:52:00.920 --> 00:52:01.370 Jack Carter, Vice Chair: You know. 423 00:52:01.560 --> 00:52:09.369 Quinlan Conf Room: Actually, my electricity bill. Every month, it is $350. I don't even know what to do. 424 00:52:09.820 --> 00:52:16.480 Quinlan Conf Room: Don't even know what I'm doing wrong, because my house is efficient. Just built right now. Everything is efficient. 425 00:52:16.830 --> 00:52:22.260 Quinlan Conf Room: except for like we have don't have solar, but we we put everything gas. 426 00:52:22.400 --> 00:52:25.930 Quinlan Conf Room: We are waiting for the gas equipment to break. 427 00:52:26.210 --> 00:52:29.730 Quinlan Conf Room: Can I visit one day? 428 00:52:29.970 --> 00:52:36.260 Jack Carter, Vice Chair: So do we know whether or not it's the residents that are using up a lot of water, or whether or not it's businesses? 429 00:52:36.960 --> 00:52:43.810 Jack Carter, Vice Chair: Because I, you know, everything I know about water usage is residential, because that's the world I've lived in. 430 00:52:44.090 --> 00:52:48.020 Jack Carter, Vice Chair: But if you're talking about industrial, 431 00:52:49.670 --> 00:52:55.809 Jack Carter, Vice Chair: Of course, I don't even know if Cupertino has industrial users that would use a lot of water. 432 00:52:56.430 --> 00:52:58.580 Quinlan Conf Room: I think Apple is a big campus. 433 00:52:58.820 --> 00:53:02.349 Quinlan Conf Room: But they are pretty efficient, so I believe they are doing 434 00:53:02.670 --> 00:53:06.299 Quinlan Conf Room: The bar apples on the recycled water. 435 00:53:06.550 --> 00:53:07.490 Jack Carter, Vice Chair: Yeah. 436 00:53:08.400 --> 00:53:12.719 Jack Carter, Vice Chair: I, you know, we don't have any data centers. 437 00:53:12.920 --> 00:53:19.379 Jack Carter, Vice Chair: And… I'm… I'm not sure the restaurants are wasting that much water. 438 00:53:21.200 --> 00:53:29.980 Quinlan Conf Room: Yeah, restaurants have to use water to show their items. Okay, I go to this hairstylist, they use so much water. 439 00:53:31.450 --> 00:53:42.339 Quinlan Conf Room: right? I feel like they have to, though, and they use all these coloring that they do. They use all this material. I always feel not sustainable. Right? 440 00:53:42.720 --> 00:53:57.709 Quinlan Conf Room: Well, let me try to bring everybody back to the discussion here, and hmm, there's some interesting stats I'll share with the staff offline, since it's on the laptop. But, other final recommendations before we… 441 00:53:58.090 --> 00:54:01.859 Quinlan Conf Room: Wrap up for staff. What does staff feel like we have? 442 00:54:01.980 --> 00:54:07.070 Quinlan Conf Room: give it sufficient. I felt like this was a great brainstorm. Thank you for all of your input. 443 00:54:07.630 --> 00:54:11.879 Quinlan Conf Room: any other final recommendations. Nope, I'm good. 444 00:54:12.480 --> 00:54:13.160 Jack Carter, Vice Chair: Nope. 445 00:54:13.550 --> 00:54:16.509 Jack Carter, Vice Chair: I'll have all my recommendations after it's too late. 446 00:54:18.720 --> 00:54:28.699 Quinlan Conf Room: All right. Thank you so much, everyone. We have one more item before we adjourn, which is the future agenda setting, upcoming draft agenda items. 447 00:54:29.960 --> 00:54:32.129 Quinlan Conf Room: Sam will bring it up on the screen. 448 00:54:32.400 --> 00:54:37.989 Quinlan Conf Room: So, our next meeting, we will have the West Warrior update, probably. 449 00:54:38.150 --> 00:54:39.350 Quinlan Conf Room: Don't have it handy. 450 00:54:39.470 --> 00:54:40.400 Quinlan Conf Room: I can't. 451 00:54:40.620 --> 00:54:45.540 Quinlan Conf Room: So did you see the dates? Is any date? Because it's moved to 452 00:54:45.670 --> 00:54:51.030 Quinlan Conf Room: hmm, some may. Yeah, we can pick one. 453 00:54:51.150 --> 00:54:53.429 Quinlan Conf Room: Oh. Everybody says 1. 454 00:54:54.280 --> 00:55:00.600 Quinlan Conf Room: So we have the next October agenda is going to be pretty full. 455 00:55:00.660 --> 00:55:18.039 Quinlan Conf Room: And then starting in January, we'll come up with a new 2027 work plan. So at that point, like if you want to start brainstorming now on what we want to talk about during the first meeting or if there's other projects that you want to make sure get talked about in the next year. 456 00:55:18.500 --> 00:55:23.530 Quinlan Conf Room: So, is there a way you can list what you're working on right now? 457 00:55:23.650 --> 00:55:27.560 Quinlan Conf Room: Fine, ask staff. What do you, I mean, all of you, yeah. 458 00:55:28.390 --> 00:55:33.779 Quinlan Conf Room: Like our entire team, or just what I'm working on. Just not the detail, just like topic ones. 459 00:55:34.570 --> 00:55:40.870 Quinlan Conf Room: I have given that to our new employees, so I do have an overview of what our entire department does. 460 00:55:41.430 --> 00:55:43.710 Quinlan Conf Room: Yes, that would be great. Okay. 461 00:55:45.520 --> 00:55:49.800 Quinlan Conf Room: Is that is there a second you want to know? Okay. 462 00:55:51.690 --> 00:55:59.830 Quinlan Conf Room: Hey, your gatekeeping tutorial, what's up? My face is like, oh, we do 500 things. Okay, I got it. 463 00:56:00.200 --> 00:56:10.710 Quinlan Conf Room: But you can share with us. Yeah, we can. Everything we do is public. Okay, it's just a matter of how to compile it for you. Right? Right? Gotcha. Cool. Yeah, I would like to know, too. 464 00:56:11.930 --> 00:56:17.490 Quinlan Conf Room: overview of environmental and sustainability programs, projects. 465 00:56:17.930 --> 00:56:21.580 Quinlan Conf Room: That works for your team with a vision. 466 00:56:26.250 --> 00:56:27.110 Quinlan Conf Room: Okay. 467 00:56:30.750 --> 00:56:35.179 Quinlan Conf Room: Pat Gwanker moved, and Phong II. 468 00:56:38.850 --> 00:56:39.630 Jack Carter, Vice Chair: Second. 469 00:56:40.340 --> 00:56:41.230 Jack Carter, Vice Chair: Good. 470 00:56:41.230 --> 00:56:46.600 Quinlan Conf Room: 3rd 4th How many employees are under? 471 00:56:46.720 --> 00:56:50.960 Quinlan Conf Room: How many? What? Or what's your team size? 472 00:56:51.160 --> 00:56:55.329 Quinlan Conf Room: It depends on who you count. So, waste is… 473 00:56:56.020 --> 00:57:12.209 Quinlan Conf Room: One stormwater is three. Then we have an admin and then myself and Jasmine, who's under me, working on the climate action side. And then we just got approved for another part time intern. And then we have an AmeriCorps fellow. 474 00:57:12.780 --> 00:57:18.200 Quinlan Conf Room: And Ursula. So that's a small team. It's not very many of us. Oh, it's not as big as I thought 475 00:57:19.380 --> 00:57:20.280 Quinlan Conf Room: 8? 476 00:57:20.500 --> 00:57:21.960 Quinlan Conf Room: Depending on how you count it. 477 00:57:22.630 --> 00:57:23.400 Quinlan Conf Room: Oh. 478 00:57:24.230 --> 00:57:26.240 Quinlan Conf Room: Small team, big dream. 479 00:57:26.510 --> 00:57:27.760 Quinlan Conf Room: Trevor Lawrence. 480 00:57:27.760 --> 00:57:34.510 Jack Carter, Vice Chair: Yes, but what we look at actually bleeds across other commissions. So we 481 00:57:35.050 --> 00:57:40.260 Jack Carter, Vice Chair: We, as commissioners, need to be sort of aware of what the other commissions are doing as well. 482 00:57:44.120 --> 00:57:50.639 Quinlan Conf Room: Are there any other, recommendations, or any other direction that staff needs to see, probably? 483 00:57:50.850 --> 00:57:51.650 Quinlan Conf Room: them. 484 00:57:52.230 --> 00:57:53.040 Quinlan Conf Room: Nope. 485 00:57:53.140 --> 00:58:12.870 Quinlan Conf Room: Hey? All right, then. Well, before we adjourn, I have one final announcement I should have given at the Commission report. So a date is finalized for this year's Commissioner dinner. It's Wednesday, October 28, th at time. Tbd. 486 00:58:13.030 --> 00:58:17.169 Quinlan Conf Room: But at least we have the data. Hey? That's awesome. 487 00:58:18.160 --> 00:58:27.969 Quinlan Conf Room: And with that, we can adjourn at 4:58 PM. Okay, can we switch it off? I just want to say hi to… 488 00:58:28.450 --> 00:58:30.809 Quinlan Conf Room: So, Jack, how are you feeling about…