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HomeMy WebLinkAboutLRC 08-17-2026 Youtube and Zoom TranscriptWEBVTT 1 00:00:00.890 --> 00:00:05.760 Conference Room A: All right, we call this meeting to order. 2 00:00:07.700 --> 00:00:09.650 Conference Room A: Yep, we're calling the… 3 00:00:10.120 --> 00:00:26.299 Conference Room A: August 17th, LRC Meeting officially to order, and of course, I'll pass it back to you, to any folks, in the public wishing to comment. Phil, we need to start with roll call. Oh, let's do roll call. Good idea. So, roll call. Vice Chair Chao? Here. Chair Wong? Here. 4 00:00:26.800 --> 00:00:27.500 Conference Room A: Okay. 5 00:00:28.590 --> 00:00:31.349 Conference Room A: And then after the approval of minutes. Okay. 6 00:00:31.500 --> 00:00:33.859 Conference Room A: Have you looked at the minutes? Any comments? 7 00:00:34.060 --> 00:00:35.270 Conference Room A: Oh, no. 8 00:00:38.060 --> 00:00:39.790 Conference Room A: So, so moved. 9 00:00:40.230 --> 00:00:43.790 Conference Room A: Okay, motion to approve the minutes. We have a second. I will second. 10 00:00:44.700 --> 00:00:45.879 Conference Room A: Vice Chair Town? 11 00:00:46.110 --> 00:00:50.079 Conference Room A: Aye. Aye. Motion carries unanimously. 12 00:00:50.530 --> 00:01:03.149 Conference Room A: All right, let's go to oral communications. Do we have any members of the public wishing to speak? We have no speakers, Chair. Okay, no speakers. No business, let's move to new business. Item 2, Legislative Update. 13 00:01:03.370 --> 00:01:04.879 Conference Room A: Let's take a look at that. 14 00:01:05.050 --> 00:01:06.350 Conference Room A: As long as Tim. 15 00:01:06.550 --> 00:01:20.350 Conference Room A: Great. Thank you. I will pass it on to Jason and Paul, who are joining us here tonight, to provide an update on where we are in the session, an update on where we are on our bills that we've taken positions on, so, pass it on… take it away, Jason! 16 00:01:21.060 --> 00:01:24.069 Jason Gonsalves: Well, thank you, Astrid, and good afternoon. 17 00:01:24.300 --> 00:01:37.540 Jason Gonsalves: I'll start with the good news. The legislature and the Legislative Session is winding down. As you likely know, they reconvened August 3rd for the final month. August 31st is sine die, and 18 00:01:37.580 --> 00:01:50.939 Jason Gonsalves: which means midnight on August 31st, they… all bills have to… ordinary session bills have to pass, otherwise they have failed, and, since we're in the second year of a two-year session, they are constitutionally 19 00:01:51.140 --> 00:02:08.440 Jason Gonsalves: dead. They can't carry over like last session, where bills on the odd years can carry into the following legislative session, is the point. The Legislature, again, August 3rd, they came back from summer recess with 1,632 bills pending. 20 00:02:08.539 --> 00:02:15.340 Jason Gonsalves: The deadline was last Friday, which they took up the suspense calendars in the appropriations Committees. 21 00:02:15.350 --> 00:02:26.000 Jason Gonsalves: 609 of those 1,600 bills were held on suspense due to fiscal, anticipated costs, obviously the state's budget, challenges. 22 00:02:26.000 --> 00:02:35.410 Jason Gonsalves: being considered, and that leaves us with 1,023 bills now in the Assembly and Senate on… in their… each respective House. 23 00:02:36.590 --> 00:02:49.300 Jason Gonsalves: two weeks to today, two weeks from today, to pass. So the legislature will be moving, rather quickly over the next two weeks as they approach that constitutional deadline I mentioned, August 31st. 24 00:02:49.340 --> 00:02:57.420 Jason Gonsalves: In addition to the thousand-plus bills, there's a few key, high-level items. I just want to note. The Climate Fund. 25 00:02:57.420 --> 00:03:15.560 Jason Gonsalves: cap and invest, cap and spend, cap and trade, whatever we want to call it. They don't want to cap it, and how they spend the money is still yet to be determined. It's been a carryover item, since the June budget negotiations, and it's one that the governor and Speaker and Pro Tem 26 00:03:15.560 --> 00:03:18.639 Jason Gonsalves: Have not reached a final, decision on. 27 00:03:18.880 --> 00:03:29.749 Jason Gonsalves: One other issue that's getting quite a bit of attention, the governor's proposed, or not proposed, or ever-changing wildfire resiliency plan. 28 00:03:29.980 --> 00:03:36.979 Jason Gonsalves: The governor's looking to address wildfire risk. The big question is, how much does that… 29 00:03:37.200 --> 00:03:44.650 Jason Gonsalves: allow the investor-owned utilities, most notably, at least within the public, PG&E, and how much is PG&E off the hook? 30 00:03:44.670 --> 00:03:59.030 Jason Gonsalves: Right now, there's wildfire proposals that are being guesstimated as could increase, homeowners insurance by $1,000 on average, particularly for rural communities, per 31 00:03:59.210 --> 00:04:02.930 Jason Gonsalves: policy. So, the insurance industry is, is… 32 00:04:03.340 --> 00:04:07.839 Jason Gonsalves: actively engaged and opposing, the governor's 33 00:04:07.970 --> 00:04:11.009 Jason Gonsalves: I'll call it tempid plan, because it's really not… 34 00:04:11.480 --> 00:04:23.510 Jason Gonsalves: moving at this point, it's just bits and pieces kind of being aired. And then the last piece that's also taking a lot of the airspace, and that is the counties, most notably Los Angeles County, is 35 00:04:23.740 --> 00:04:31.800 Jason Gonsalves: Working to try to, obtain some type of statutory protection to 36 00:04:32.780 --> 00:04:41.009 Jason Gonsalves: protect counties, stave off bankruptcy, I'll call it, from… and put limits on lawsuits, particularly 37 00:04:41.010 --> 00:04:53.830 Jason Gonsalves: lawsuits that pertain to county employees, corrections, et cetera, from child abuse and school district, abuse. So, as you likely know, there was a youth facility. 38 00:04:53.830 --> 00:05:03.149 Jason Gonsalves: In LA County that has had some several billion dollar settlements, and that was for a fraction of the plaintiffs, with still 39 00:05:03.160 --> 00:05:12.459 Jason Gonsalves: a couple thousand plaintiffs yet to settle, and obviously the multi-billion dollar settlements are a concern for LA County and other counties throughout the state, so… 40 00:05:12.630 --> 00:05:20.720 Jason Gonsalves: With that, the one other kind of key bill I would highlight, AB 1751, the townhome. 41 00:05:21.260 --> 00:05:28.050 Jason Gonsalves: ownership opportunity for everyone, I guess we'll call it. That bill did move off of suspense, and it's one of the 42 00:05:28.160 --> 00:05:31.389 Jason Gonsalves: The few bills that the city has taken a position on that 43 00:05:32.180 --> 00:05:44.220 Jason Gonsalves: We will continue to oppose. It's on the Senate floor. It will have to go from the Senate floor back to the Assembly for concurrence, but, it's a… it's a bill that we're actively engaged on, opposing, and… 44 00:05:44.500 --> 00:05:49.590 Jason Gonsalves: And… but it does continue to move under the… buy right. 45 00:05:49.690 --> 00:05:56.000 Jason Gonsalves: trend we're seeing in Sacramento. So I'll stop there, happy to answer any questions, and look forward to 46 00:05:56.170 --> 00:05:58.229 Jason Gonsalves: The other remaining items in the agenda. 47 00:05:59.830 --> 00:06:06.959 Conference Room A: Any questions? I was just gonna say, Jason, if you could also provide a quick update on what happens after August 31st. 48 00:06:07.750 --> 00:06:11.079 Jason Gonsalves: Oh, yep, minor detail. Thank you, Astrid. 49 00:06:11.120 --> 00:06:29.319 Jason Gonsalves: When the legislature passes the thousand plus or minus bills, Governor Newsom, rather than the typical signing deadline of a week, Governor Newsom has 10 days, typically, he has 30 days, so September 30th will be the deadline for the governor to take action on 50 00:06:29.360 --> 00:06:31.750 Jason Gonsalves: The slew of bills, and it'll be… 51 00:06:31.920 --> 00:06:35.900 Jason Gonsalves: 800 to 1,000 of them… well, it'll be 900 to 1,000 of the… 52 00:06:36.060 --> 00:06:38.990 Jason Gonsalves: thousand plus remaining. So, the governor's… 53 00:06:39.120 --> 00:06:42.909 Jason Gonsalves: September will be quite busy amongst his travel plans and other things. 54 00:06:44.740 --> 00:06:49.179 Conference Room A: Great, thank you, Jason. And I also wanted to add, just attached to the agenda. 55 00:06:49.180 --> 00:07:07.139 Conference Room A: We have the bill tracking list, which is a list of bills that the city is currently tracking, and we also added, the second attachment, which is the list of positions from YIMBY, Cal Cities, and then, thanks to Gonsalves' team, we added the Contract Cities Association list, so those are all on one attachment to your agenda. 56 00:07:07.620 --> 00:07:09.250 Conference Room A: I did see that, thank you. 57 00:07:10.020 --> 00:07:26.379 Conference Room A: I think the question for me, just as a general trend, are we seeing a shift in terms of legislators' view on housing, or is it still the same, let's build everything at all costs and support the real estate lobby? Or is there any kind of local control sense of 58 00:07:26.380 --> 00:07:30.340 Conference Room A: Like, movement back to saying, hey, we gotta give these cities back some of their control. 59 00:07:31.750 --> 00:07:39.159 Jason Gonsalves: Unfortunately, Councilmember Wong, I wish the answer was more of the latter, and there was a heightened sensitivity towards local control. 60 00:07:39.320 --> 00:07:54.660 Jason Gonsalves: I use the poor analogy that housing is like heaven, we all want to go, we just don't want to die. They all want housing, and at what cost seems to be the overarching question. There's starting to be some 61 00:07:55.280 --> 00:08:02.970 Jason Gonsalves: Movement towards some level of local control, but it's moving from zero to maybe 50%. 62 00:08:02.970 --> 00:08:15.889 Jason Gonsalves: And what I mean by that is we've seen an onslaught of 30 plus or minus housing bills each year. This session's no different. You know, initially it was ADUs, and now it's townhomes, and 63 00:08:15.890 --> 00:08:19.769 Jason Gonsalves: You know, it's… it's… everything… Moves towards buy right. 64 00:08:19.930 --> 00:08:31.760 Jason Gonsalves: And the short answer is, we're starting to see, because of locals and the pushback, we're starting to see some movement in our direction, but they have a long ways to go. And the only other tidbit I would note is. 65 00:08:31.920 --> 00:08:42.550 Jason Gonsalves: after November elections, we will see about 25% turnover in the legislature, about 30 new members, which could create an opportunity, but lots of education still remaining. 66 00:08:43.840 --> 00:08:45.449 Conference Room A: Okay, good to know, thank you. 67 00:08:46.430 --> 00:08:47.100 Jason Gonsalves: Thank you. 68 00:08:47.640 --> 00:08:48.700 Conference Room A: Any other questions? 69 00:08:50.200 --> 00:08:56.760 Conference Room A: Okay, appreciate the update, you're good. Let's move to item number 3. Oh, public comment. Oh, and move for public comment. 70 00:08:57.020 --> 00:09:05.729 Conference Room A: We have no speakers. No one online either? We have, let me see… nobody's online right now. No one online? Alright, good to know. Alright, keep us posted. 71 00:09:06.000 --> 00:09:20.029 Conference Room A: All right, let's move to item number 3! Consider adopting an oppose position unless… oppose unless amended position on AB1976. This is Buffy's Wix Street and Highways Pedestrian and Bicycle Facilities. 72 00:09:20.040 --> 00:09:30.189 Conference Room A: Act, recommendation… recommended action, adopted and opposed unless amended position on AB1976, and authorize the mayor to send letters to the state legislature. 73 00:09:30.360 --> 00:09:32.889 Conference Room A: Let's go through the report. 74 00:09:33.590 --> 00:09:39.629 Conference Room A: Yeah, I'll pass it on to Jason to provide a brief overview of what the bill does and why we're recommending this position. 75 00:09:39.940 --> 00:09:41.010 Conference Room A: Go ahead, Jason. 76 00:09:41.010 --> 00:09:57.540 Jason Gonsalves: The bill seeks to streamline the implementation of transportation projects once they've gone through and they're in your transportation plans, and they've reached what they consider 90% design and construction has been authorized. 77 00:09:57.660 --> 00:10:14.839 Jason Gonsalves: Cal Cities is opposed unless amended, so the recommended position would be consistent with other cities throughout the state. But really, the amendment that we would be requesting in alignment with Cal Cities is to allow local elected officials to revisit the 78 00:10:15.090 --> 00:10:27.240 Jason Gonsalves: projects, should there be community concerns, responses, or any changes to development, in essence, around the previously designed or approved projects? So, to allow the ability 79 00:10:27.600 --> 00:10:34.380 Jason Gonsalves: for, the Mayor and Council to respond to your constituents' concerns on a project-by-project basis. 80 00:10:36.120 --> 00:10:37.859 Jason Gonsalves: And that's… that's really… it's a… 81 00:10:38.990 --> 00:10:45.579 Jason Gonsalves: You know, don't box us in on a project that's been approved, even though the dynamics around that project could have changed. 82 00:10:46.320 --> 00:11:00.150 Conference Room A: Has there been provisions, to go back to level of service, for drivers? Given that a lot of these, like, 80-90% of the traffic is still vehicular traffic, and that we are impacting 83 00:11:00.150 --> 00:11:12.189 Conference Room A: a good amount of their time. So we've put people into traffic more… longer than they have to be, for the usage, and given the usage that's there. So is anyone asking for any level of service standard as to any impact? 84 00:11:12.640 --> 00:11:14.670 Conference Room A: to be considered in these ATPs? 85 00:11:15.760 --> 00:11:18.199 Jason Gonsalves: That hasn't been part of the… 86 00:11:18.400 --> 00:11:24.280 Jason Gonsalves: debate, it's probably a val- it's not probably, it's a very valid point. What's really kind of… 87 00:11:25.200 --> 00:11:27.700 Jason Gonsalves: Driving a lot of this is the… 88 00:11:28.380 --> 00:11:31.670 Jason Gonsalves: perception, and I think wrong… wrongfully so, that 89 00:11:31.830 --> 00:11:49.330 Jason Gonsalves: locals don't have enough bike and pedestrian lanes because the mayors and council members aren't approving them as they should have, or as they had previously been designed. And then the constant attention and ever-growing attention on e-bikes has really been kind of the drive for the need for these. 90 00:11:49.370 --> 00:11:56.949 Jason Gonsalves: these lanes, but you're absolutely right. If people aren't out of cars, then the more congestion you have on the highway, the more the cyclists are at risk. 91 00:11:57.690 --> 00:12:02.119 Conference Room A: I'm worried about that from both an environmental aspect, given the amount of 92 00:12:02.630 --> 00:12:17.899 Conference Room A: idle time that you put the cars in, and the second piece is it's actually impacting people's, like, lives. But that's all. Okay, so there's nothing on the agenda that's listed that way. Nothing on anyone's agenda that's asking for an amendment that would bring LOS back to these calculations. 93 00:12:18.570 --> 00:12:31.210 Jason Gonsalves: Level of service? No, not at this point. It doesn't preclude us from, you know, as part of our request for the amendment, from including at least a statement on allowing locals to analyze level of service, but… 94 00:12:31.400 --> 00:12:35.170 Jason Gonsalves: Currently, Cal Cities and others haven't been asking for that thus far. 95 00:12:35.370 --> 00:12:54.220 Conference Room A: I mean, you ask 20 minutes on a… 20 minutes going outbound and 20 minutes inbound on a commute, times the number of people that are actually impacted, let's say it's even 10 minutes, times 50 weeks out of the year, or let's say 48 if you want to be a little bit more precise, you get a very, very large number of time wasted by everyone, so… and it's actually not helping anyone. 96 00:12:54.710 --> 00:13:03.699 Conference Room A: So… So, this is a very severe invasion of local control authority. 97 00:13:05.610 --> 00:13:21.500 Conference Room A: Because even with a 90% design, there are often multiple options, so are we not allowed to even consider different options for a certain right turn, left turn? For example. 98 00:13:21.500 --> 00:13:31.170 Conference Room A: We had removed the right turn, even after the implementation, staff find out it doesn't work, they restore the right turn LAN. So now… 99 00:13:31.590 --> 00:13:33.730 Conference Room A: We are not allowed to do that. 100 00:13:35.900 --> 00:13:48.170 Jason Gonsalves: Under the proposed legislation, yes, if it was previously approved, and 90% of the design had been completed, and staff came back with new findings, you still would not be able to change it, absent 101 00:13:48.510 --> 00:13:55.619 Jason Gonsalves: You know, the… Project proponents and others coming together, but even at that, it's questionable as to 102 00:13:56.010 --> 00:13:58.339 Jason Gonsalves: You know, how many folks would have to sign off. 103 00:13:58.720 --> 00:14:01.629 Jason Gonsalves: The way I read it is, no, you would not be able to change it. 104 00:14:01.630 --> 00:14:03.229 Conference Room A: Cannot change anything. 105 00:14:04.090 --> 00:14:13.660 Conference Room A: Even if the council did not approve the 90% design, because often we approve the budget, we don't even see the 90% design. 106 00:14:15.020 --> 00:14:23.319 Conference Room A: So, we… even if the council did not approve the 90% design, we cannot change it. 107 00:14:24.730 --> 00:14:30.079 Jason Gonsalves: No, if it was in your transportation plan, it would be locked in if it was… had been previously 108 00:14:31.410 --> 00:14:47.249 Jason Gonsalves: I would think that Council would have had to approve it at some point, but to answer the question, if it had previously been approved, even at the staff level, as 90% approved, if you have a process that allows for that absent Council approval, it would be locked in the way I read the legislation. 109 00:14:47.760 --> 00:14:52.680 Conference Room A: What if the staff sees a need to modify and decide they wouldn't? 110 00:14:52.850 --> 00:14:55.450 Conference Room A: Like, to change the 90% design. 111 00:14:57.980 --> 00:15:03.890 Jason Gonsalves: Yeah, I… there's limited circumstances in the bill, CEQA and others, but 112 00:15:04.190 --> 00:15:12.030 Jason Gonsalves: just staff… a staff revision, I don't read the bill as providing such, which is… which is precisely the amendment that 113 00:15:12.140 --> 00:15:24.949 Jason Gonsalves: Cal Cities and other local agencies, and our… and the recommendation that you consider, the opposed unless the amendment allows for community input, council input, staff input, 114 00:15:25.680 --> 00:15:32.430 Jason Gonsalves: That's… that's exactly where… The limited flexibility in the current version of the bill is what's Host. 115 00:15:32.680 --> 00:15:36.339 Conference Room A: So, what if the council just removed the funding? 116 00:15:36.760 --> 00:15:40.869 Conference Room A: Even if you have the design, there is no funding. You cannot… 117 00:15:41.180 --> 00:15:44.810 Conference Room A: Even get consultant to implement… implement it. 118 00:15:46.690 --> 00:15:50.900 Conference Room A: Our waiting is… Forced to lock in the funding? 119 00:15:54.090 --> 00:15:55.130 Conference Room A: You can counsel… 120 00:15:55.130 --> 00:15:57.900 Jason Gonsalves: you… you could… the way I would read the build. 121 00:15:58.550 --> 00:16:10.029 Jason Gonsalves: the project's still approved, but if there's no way to pay for it, then the bill can't force you to pay it. I mean, that's a… it's a great question, a great point. If… if the locals' hands get tied as the statutes 122 00:16:10.830 --> 00:16:16.090 Jason Gonsalves: proposing… I think you're gonna find a lot of projects that lose their funding rather quickly. 123 00:16:16.580 --> 00:16:20.680 Conference Room A: And then maybe the council decided to find a different project. 124 00:16:21.180 --> 00:16:27.469 Conference Room A: That has better option. We can… are we allowed to just start scratch? 125 00:16:27.730 --> 00:16:28.760 Conference Room A: Within… 126 00:16:29.170 --> 00:16:35.370 Conference Room A: Well, if the funding is from ATP, you have to cancel it, and then relinquish funds and send a letter. That's how you do it. 127 00:16:35.880 --> 00:16:38.350 Conference Room A: So, at least that's what it looks like from other cities. 128 00:16:38.360 --> 00:16:54.139 Conference Room A: So, once you have that, that's fine. I mean, you basically say, well, we're not going to do this anymore, we're going to return any of the unused funds, and then that's it, right? And you cancel the funding from ATP directly. So you can do that, but if you start a new project and you still have to get money from California's ATP program, that's different. If it's your own… 129 00:16:54.140 --> 00:17:02.379 Conference Room A: then it's up to you, you do whatever you want. It's the problem is, like, the state put a lot of money into the ATP funding, and we all took these ATP funds, and now we end up with things we don't want. 130 00:17:03.040 --> 00:17:07.290 Conference Room A: Or we think we don't want. Or we might have a change in how we want. So… 131 00:17:07.819 --> 00:17:08.990 Conference Room A: Does that sound right? 132 00:17:09.859 --> 00:17:18.489 Jason Gonsalves: It absolutely does. And then, you know, I think the Vice Mayor is pointing out some very key pieces that could be workarounds, or even… 133 00:17:19.389 --> 00:17:31.309 Jason Gonsalves: I would say, mechanisms to protect your local authority, but at the same time, the statute may be also setting you up for potential legal challenges, you know, depending on the reaction to some of those workarounds. 134 00:17:31.310 --> 00:17:35.739 Conference Room A: Maybe we would have to change our process to… 135 00:17:35.930 --> 00:17:47.199 Conference Room A: only provide provisional funding until the 90% design is approved, then we actually… It's onward project. That's a good workaround, you could do it. 136 00:17:47.440 --> 00:17:48.339 Jason Gonsalves: Great point. 137 00:17:48.980 --> 00:17:51.000 Conference Room A: could do it that way. I mean, that's actually pretty… 138 00:17:51.840 --> 00:17:53.360 Conference Room A: We'd have to start doing that. 139 00:17:55.430 --> 00:17:56.310 Conference Room A: Okay. 140 00:17:56.510 --> 00:18:06.319 Conference Room A: Any other discussion? No, and move to… Oh, could we go to public comment? Sorry, guys. Oh, sorry. And that's move to public comment? We have no speakers to share. 141 00:18:06.670 --> 00:18:07.470 Conference Room A: Okay. 142 00:18:07.580 --> 00:18:10.989 Conference Room A: All right, any other deliberations? You want to make a motion? 143 00:18:11.610 --> 00:18:26.310 Conference Room A: Yeah, motion for the staff recommendation to oppose on AP 1976. And authorize the mayor. Authorize the mayor to… I just want to correct, it's an oppose unless amend position? No, just oppose. 144 00:18:26.620 --> 00:18:38.119 Conference Room A: Okay. I think, I don't think any amendment would be worth it. This is, extreme, invasion of local authority. Okay, you have a second from me? 145 00:18:38.280 --> 00:18:39.950 Conference Room A: Okay, Vice Chair Chow? 146 00:18:41.850 --> 00:18:47.110 Conference Room A: Okay, aye. Chair Wong? Aye. Motion carries in. Ms. Lee? Okay, thank you. 147 00:18:48.000 --> 00:19:02.779 Conference Room A: All right, let's move to item number 4. Consider adopting a support position on AB2037, Patterson Wildfire Mitigation Aging and Disability Grant Pilot Program. The recommended action is to adopt a support position on this. Let's go to the staff. 148 00:19:03.390 --> 00:19:07.110 Conference Room A: This one should be fairly quick, right, Jason, when you have an update for us? 149 00:19:07.110 --> 00:19:09.150 Jason Gonsalves: This, this one will go quick. 150 00:19:09.230 --> 00:19:24.380 Jason Gonsalves: Unfortunately, while the bill was well-intended, it sought to set up a grant program, for wildfire mitigation, given the state's budgetary constraints, and the fact that the bill was contingent upon 151 00:19:24.380 --> 00:19:32.300 Jason Gonsalves: funding in subsequent budget years. The bill failed passage in the Senate Appropriations Committee, so it is dead. 152 00:19:32.430 --> 00:19:41.619 Jason Gonsalves: As we often say, the bill's dead, the author isn't, so we may see it come back come January, but at this point, there's no need for a position. The bill's no longer moving. 153 00:19:42.280 --> 00:19:44.500 Conference Room A: Okay, let's move to any public comment. 154 00:19:44.780 --> 00:19:53.279 Conference Room A: We have no speakers, Chair. No speakers? Okay. I guess nothing to vote on, so we'll move on to the next item, is that okay? Yeah. All right. 155 00:19:53.680 --> 00:20:18.670 Conference Room A: Item number 5! Oh, for item number 4, is there a motion to adopt a support position? Oh, we can still… even if the bill's dead? The bill's dead, so I would recommend they take no position on it. Okay. So, do they still need to make a motion for that? Yeah, for that one, I would say yes. So, motion to take no position. To take no position on it. Alright, I'll make a motion to take no position on AB37. 156 00:20:18.670 --> 00:20:21.569 Conference Room A: 20, 37, until Patterson brings it back. 157 00:20:21.950 --> 00:20:24.890 Conference Room A: Okay, second. Vice Churchill. 158 00:20:25.100 --> 00:20:28.470 Conference Room A: Aye. Chair Wong? Aye. Motion carries. 159 00:20:28.690 --> 00:20:29.700 Conference Room A: Thanks. 160 00:20:30.030 --> 00:20:32.099 Conference Room A: Alright, item number 5. 161 00:20:32.480 --> 00:20:51.770 Conference Room A: Subject, consider recommending the City Council adopt a support position on SB922, Laird's vehicle, local agency charge, use of streets or highways. Recommend that the city… the recommended action is recommend that the City Council adopt a support position on SB922, and authorize the Mayor to send a letter to the Governor requesting his signature on this bill. 162 00:20:52.490 --> 00:21:06.029 Conference Room A: Back to you, Astrid. Thank you. Before I pass it on to Jason, so this bill, when I looked at the legislative platform, has a monitor language on it, so that way, therefore, it needs to be approved by the City Council, and we can make that recommendation here today. 163 00:21:06.030 --> 00:21:13.250 Conference Room A: I'll also add this bill, correct me if I'm wrong, Jason, is in engrossment and enrolling, correct? So this one is, like… 164 00:21:13.250 --> 00:21:17.309 Conference Room A: Almost… is basically at the governor's desk, or almost there. 165 00:21:17.310 --> 00:21:34.620 Conference Room A: And so, if we… if you do adopt a position today, it'll go to Council at the September 1st meeting, for their consideration, and if they do accept the support position, then they would… we would just submit a letter to the governor directly, since it'll be most likely with him at that time, so… 166 00:21:34.760 --> 00:21:37.100 Conference Room A: With that, I'll pass it on to Jason. 167 00:21:37.610 --> 00:21:54.740 Jason Gonsalves: Well, and it's one that, it's not by any fault of the mayor and council. This is legislation that resulted from litigation. The City of Redlands versus Rogers, has to do with the ability to collect, basically, heavy duty, heavy, high weight, 168 00:21:54.740 --> 00:22:04.919 Jason Gonsalves: fees, trash trucks, and the like within your community. The courts ruled in favor of the local agency's ability, 169 00:22:05.050 --> 00:22:05.960 Jason Gonsalves: to… 170 00:22:06.560 --> 00:22:14.059 Jason Gonsalves: to collect those fees. This bill seeks to ratify that decision and further clarify the ability to do so. 171 00:22:14.630 --> 00:22:27.810 Jason Gonsalves: irrespective of how quickly it may or may not get signed by the governor, I think it's worth noting, or at least the mayor and council being aware of it, in large part because of the Taxpayer Protection Act and all the other activity 172 00:22:27.810 --> 00:22:34.990 Jason Gonsalves: Going after locals' abilities to… local agencies' ability to collect, or to even impose, or… or… 173 00:22:35.010 --> 00:22:39.829 Jason Gonsalves: or seek voter approval for fees. So this is one that… 174 00:22:39.920 --> 00:22:43.030 Jason Gonsalves: Moves in our direction, allows the local 175 00:22:43.150 --> 00:22:48.180 Jason Gonsalves: Decision-making process to… to be maintained, and… 176 00:22:48.380 --> 00:22:52.749 Jason Gonsalves: It's just, it's moved very quickly as a result of the court case. 177 00:22:54.130 --> 00:23:00.290 Conference Room A: So, the key provision in this bill is the fact that weight-based limits go away, right? 178 00:23:02.670 --> 00:23:03.390 Jason Gonsalves: Yes. 179 00:23:03.820 --> 00:23:10.909 Conference Room A: And it's replaced by… we can… it doesn't matter whether it's weight-based or not. How do you determine the damage? That's the part I couldn't understand. 180 00:23:11.480 --> 00:23:24.639 Conference Room A: Do I just say, hey, you're running your cement trucks here longer than more, you're a construction company, you've been running, like, things in and out, you're hauling waste in and out of an area more than others, and we're gonna come patch you for that? He's like, I couldn't quite understand how that worked. 181 00:23:25.720 --> 00:23:32.350 Jason Gonsalves: I think there's some local autonomy as to how you determine that, and whether you do it by way of a permit or a fee. 182 00:23:32.350 --> 00:23:33.609 Conference Room A: Need that for a cleanup. 183 00:23:34.240 --> 00:23:34.860 Jason Gonsalves: But… 184 00:23:35.660 --> 00:23:48.169 Jason Gonsalves: Yes, you're absolutely right. Basically, the fee goes away, and it allows the locals to… I'm sorry, the weight-based fee goes away, and allows the locals to make a determination as to the roadway needs, repairs, and how to assess it. 185 00:23:48.360 --> 00:23:58.079 Conference Room A: So… playing this out, we could come up with a formula that says if your vehicle weighs X and you make X number of trips, right, we're gonna charge you a certain percentage based on that. 186 00:23:58.960 --> 00:23:59.520 Jason Gonsalves: Yes. 187 00:24:00.120 --> 00:24:07.049 Conference Room A: It could be a flat fee, it could be a tax, it could be what's in the… what's in the truck, the value of the items or the goods, like, it's up to us. 188 00:24:08.660 --> 00:24:10.210 Jason Gonsalves: Yep, absolutely. 189 00:24:10.410 --> 00:24:10.930 Conference Room A: I just wanna… 190 00:24:10.930 --> 00:24:12.300 Jason Gonsalves: No, I read it the same way. 191 00:24:13.000 --> 00:24:23.169 Conference Room A: Okay, it's the most power we've had in the city. No, I'm just kidding. So, the weight pays the fee goes away. You can't restrict just on weight-based fee. Can we… 192 00:24:23.500 --> 00:24:26.029 Conference Room A: And… dual volume? 193 00:24:26.270 --> 00:24:45.930 Conference Room A: You can do anything. You can do anything, is what this thing says. We have to come up with a new rubric. Just now. What's your new algo for what it costs? Frequency. Like, if you're too heavy on this, you know, the type of… it could be on only concrete roads you have this fee. It could be asphalt roads have a different fee, dirt roads have a different fee. Like, it's up to you to go crazy. Please don't. Let's try to keep it. 194 00:24:46.510 --> 00:24:49.809 Conference Room A: But you get the idea. You get full out of it. 195 00:24:51.920 --> 00:24:56.750 Jason Gonsalves: Yeah, and it could be a fee, it could be a tax, or a other charge. 196 00:24:57.060 --> 00:25:00.499 Conference Room A: one-time permit. It's up to you how you want to collect the revenue. 197 00:25:01.330 --> 00:25:03.470 Jason Gonsalves: Bunch of toll roads. 198 00:25:03.890 --> 00:25:07.990 Conference Room A: So you mentioned the Taxpayer Protection Act. 199 00:25:08.220 --> 00:25:12.729 Conference Room A: That is… Has been withdrawn, right? 200 00:25:14.620 --> 00:25:15.579 Jason Gonsalves: Well, it was… 201 00:25:16.740 --> 00:25:17.350 Conference Room A: Yeah. 202 00:25:17.350 --> 00:25:33.520 Jason Gonsalves: was modified. So, the retroactivity and the more egregious provisions were negotiated with the governor and Legislative Leadership and Howard Jarvis Taxpayers Association, so the modified version will be before the voters in November, which 203 00:25:34.020 --> 00:25:34.840 Jason Gonsalves: in… 204 00:25:35.680 --> 00:25:48.950 Jason Gonsalves: it's fairly straightforward. It will subject most, if not all, future, general or special purpose, initiatives to be a two- thirds vote. So it's raising the threshold for future 205 00:25:49.070 --> 00:25:51.710 Jason Gonsalves: Tax or fee. 206 00:25:51.890 --> 00:25:54.020 Jason Gonsalves: Measures for local voters. 207 00:25:56.330 --> 00:26:02.160 Jason Gonsalves: But the retroactivity piece, Tried to deem previously approved. 208 00:26:02.540 --> 00:26:06.920 Jason Gonsalves: voter initiatives invalid. Those provisions were removed. 209 00:26:12.440 --> 00:26:14.700 Conference Room A: Okay. Any other discussion? Questions? 210 00:26:15.100 --> 00:26:23.639 Conference Room A: I don't know, so… Let's check public comment. Oh, public comment. So it's public comment? We have no speakers here. No speakers, alright. 211 00:26:23.940 --> 00:26:26.569 Conference Room A: Alright, back to you. Vice Mayor. 212 00:26:27.470 --> 00:26:33.970 Conference Room A: Bonsai? No. That won't… We make a motion, to… 213 00:26:34.090 --> 00:26:39.429 Conference Room A: take the staff's recommended action, that City Council adopt a support position on SB. 214 00:26:39.730 --> 00:26:40.940 Conference Room A: I-2-2. 215 00:26:41.070 --> 00:26:44.580 Conference Room A: And authorized the mayor to send a letter to the governor requesting a signature on the bill. 216 00:26:46.000 --> 00:26:51.199 Conference Room A: Right, so we'd be recommending that the full council take a position, yeah. The full city council, I guess. Yeah. 217 00:26:52.390 --> 00:26:55.810 Conference Room A: to be placed on the next agenda. Yeah, September 1. September 1. 218 00:26:58.170 --> 00:26:59.270 Conference Room A: Alright, is there a second? 219 00:26:59.620 --> 00:27:00.949 Conference Room A: Oh, second. 220 00:27:01.310 --> 00:27:02.550 Conference Room A: Vice Chair Chow? 221 00:27:02.850 --> 00:27:08.889 Conference Room A: Aye. Chair Wong? Aye. Motion carries unanimously. Okay. Measure item number 6. 222 00:27:09.040 --> 00:27:16.209 Conference Room A: Consider adopting a watch position on AB1997. Oh, Lee. Okay, land use, housing development approvals, timelines, and processes. 223 00:27:16.480 --> 00:27:21.649 Conference Room A: The recommended action is adopt a watch position on AB1997. Let's go to details asterisk. 224 00:27:21.770 --> 00:27:29.600 Conference Room A: Yeah, this bill, I'll pass it on to Jason to give a brief update and explanation on the position, recommended position. 225 00:27:30.680 --> 00:27:34.099 Jason Gonsalves: Thank you. This bill, AB 1997, it's really… 226 00:27:34.310 --> 00:27:51.030 Jason Gonsalves: I would call it almost more of an informational item, and to Councilmember Wong's prior question at the outset of the meeting, is the legislature moving towards a little bit more, I'll call it supportive or sympathetic view of local land use authority. This is one that 227 00:27:51.390 --> 00:28:01.350 Jason Gonsalves: Is moving in that opposite direction. And while it probably won't have sweeping impacts, it does speak to the unfortunate trend of 228 00:28:01.480 --> 00:28:12.570 Jason Gonsalves: Shortening your approval process timelines, and review timelines and environmental timelines for projects that meet 90% 229 00:28:12.780 --> 00:28:21.000 Jason Gonsalves: affordable for very low or extremely low, development, for… households. So… 230 00:28:21.110 --> 00:28:27.689 Jason Gonsalves: That's the piece that probably won't have sweeping impacts. I don't know that you can get many projects with 20%. 231 00:28:27.990 --> 00:28:36.890 Jason Gonsalves: very low and extremely low, occupancy or units. So the 90% threshold provides some level of 232 00:28:37.310 --> 00:28:43.280 Jason Gonsalves: I would say limited application, but at the same time, it was one we wanted to at least have the… 233 00:28:43.540 --> 00:28:52.999 Jason Gonsalves: the Legislative Review Committee consider watching, because it just… it further perpetuates the trend, again, to Councilmember Wong's earlier question of 234 00:28:53.300 --> 00:28:55.200 Jason Gonsalves: Eroding local land use authority. 235 00:28:56.580 --> 00:28:58.140 Conference Room A: Got it, good to know. Thank you. 236 00:28:58.230 --> 00:29:04.629 Conference Room A: And I'll just add as well that the watch position, the other positions at the end of last time's meeting in June. 237 00:29:04.630 --> 00:29:21.799 Conference Room A: We got clear direction from you guys, and this was just, like, a look into it one. So, at this point, like, kind of late in the game, we were recommending a watch currently, but you're obviously… you can take an opposed position or other position based on the legislative platform, which is written in the report for this bill. 238 00:29:21.800 --> 00:29:31.889 Conference Room A: But there also isn't a lot of activity, like, there wasn't a lot of support or opposition in general, and so we wanted to just, for now, recommend a watch and see what you guys thought. 239 00:29:32.240 --> 00:29:39.409 Conference Room A: There's no point raising activity in something that doesn't have any activity, is what you're saying. Right. Just want to make sure we're clear on that. Okay. 240 00:29:41.700 --> 00:29:45.640 Jason Gonsalves: Well, and then also, one other caution would be, you know, 241 00:29:45.770 --> 00:29:52.120 Jason Gonsalves: to highlight whether Cupertino supports or doesn't support, and the optics of 242 00:29:52.300 --> 00:30:00.090 Jason Gonsalves: low and… very low and extremely low housing. I think most, if not all, communities Are supportive of the… 243 00:30:00.340 --> 00:30:09.039 Jason Gonsalves: of the need. The problem is, who buys them down? I mean, in Cupertino, with your median home price, how are you gonna buy down an extremely low unit? So… 244 00:30:09.330 --> 00:30:12.889 Jason Gonsalves: I would argue it's the state's problem, not the city's. 245 00:30:13.800 --> 00:30:16.229 Jason Gonsalves: They're the ones putting all the requirements on you. 246 00:30:19.860 --> 00:30:20.590 Conference Room A: Okay. 247 00:30:20.880 --> 00:30:22.119 Conference Room A: Any other comments? 248 00:30:22.250 --> 00:30:25.569 Conference Room A: No, sir. No? Okay. 249 00:30:25.820 --> 00:30:45.430 Conference Room A: I guess I have some comments on future agenda, well… Okay, let's do that. Let's go to any public comments for now, and then… Are we done with this item? Not yet. Do we need to… Not yet. Not yet, we have to get public comments. Okay. We have no speakers. No speakers, okay. And are you okay with adopting watch position on this? Okay. Do we have to vote on that? 250 00:30:45.570 --> 00:30:47.090 Conference Room A: Yes, yeah. Okay. 251 00:30:47.330 --> 00:30:48.340 Conference Room A: Good. 252 00:30:48.460 --> 00:30:52.509 Conference Room A: I'll make a motion to adopt a watch position on AB1993. 253 00:30:52.900 --> 00:30:55.740 Conference Room A: So, second. Okay. Vice Chair Tao? 254 00:30:56.490 --> 00:30:59.950 Conference Room A: Aye. Chair Wong? Aye. Motion carries unanimously. 255 00:31:02.340 --> 00:31:04.329 Conference Room A: Okay, this one's interesting. 256 00:31:05.190 --> 00:31:19.789 Conference Room A: Item 7. Consider adopting a support or watch position, Assembly Bill 1857, where a curry, unlawful restrictive covenants, grocery stores, and supermarkets. Recommended action, adopt one of the following positions on AB1857. 257 00:31:19.790 --> 00:31:28.579 Conference Room A: Option 1, adopt a support position and authorize the mayor to send letters to the state legislature. Option 2, adopt a watch position on AB1857. 258 00:31:29.130 --> 00:31:43.069 Conference Room A: All right. Yeah, and we also kind of worded it similar to item 6, where we were looking into it and wanted to give you options. The support is possible based on the legislative platform, but a watch is also fairly fine as well at this stage in the game, so… 259 00:31:43.070 --> 00:31:52.579 Conference Room A: I'll pass it on to Jason to give more information. Yeah, and can we get some history behind this? Because it seems like it was… someone didn't like something in a locality and decided to make it state law. 260 00:31:53.980 --> 00:32:11.480 Jason Gonsalves: There is that. I would say even going a little bit further back, in particularly late 60s, early 70s, when you had the growing conversion of ag land to retail centers and population-based centers, the 261 00:32:11.590 --> 00:32:28.839 Jason Gonsalves: the mall owners and the large anchors, the Sears of the world and the grocery stores, they were very creative, and they have these everlasting covenants that basically allow them last right of approval on what goes in these 262 00:32:28.840 --> 00:32:40.799 Jason Gonsalves: former, Sears, or shuttered locations, large anchor locations, and this is a way of trying to, allow locals to navigate, and most notably. 263 00:32:40.810 --> 00:32:48.339 Jason Gonsalves: we have… perhaps food deserts, replace grocery centers, and work around the covenants that 264 00:32:48.470 --> 00:32:53.210 Jason Gonsalves: Right now, we're giving, the property owners and former developers 265 00:32:53.460 --> 00:32:59.039 Jason Gonsalves: The former grocers, the… it's really the property owners, ultimate approval. 266 00:32:59.260 --> 00:33:02.779 Jason Gonsalves: So it's… It's… it's an effort to try to… 267 00:33:03.110 --> 00:33:08.459 Jason Gonsalves: work around some of these… I don't want to call them archaic, but everlasting protections. 268 00:33:09.750 --> 00:33:11.900 Conference Room A: Is there anything in this… 269 00:33:12.010 --> 00:33:19.269 Conference Room A: That would allow a loophole for someone to replace a supermarket with a supermarket so that they can build housing on it. 270 00:33:21.550 --> 00:33:32.220 Jason Gonsalves: Not that I would see. There has been other legislation in the past, so under government code, we have had bills in prior sessions that allow for 271 00:33:32.320 --> 00:33:47.610 Jason Gonsalves: conversion, expedited conversion of former retail centers and large, retail shopping centers to housing. I know the City of Lakewood and LA County is utilizing that code currently, so… 272 00:33:47.940 --> 00:34:00.100 Jason Gonsalves: Nothing in this bill, but I think the government code could allow for such under current law. So if I had a grocery store and I wanted to turn it into townhomes, current law does have provisions that may work for that. 273 00:34:01.970 --> 00:34:05.519 Conference Room A: But this is to address the covenants that say you can't 274 00:34:05.650 --> 00:34:08.350 Conference Room A: Necessarily put it back to another supermarket. 275 00:34:09.739 --> 00:34:10.629 Jason Gonsalves: Exactly. 276 00:34:10.940 --> 00:34:14.530 Conference Room A: Hmm. Interesting. Interesting why there would be… 277 00:34:15.190 --> 00:34:23.289 Conference Room A: Okay. But I think it's not as relevant to us, so maybe we'll just watch. 278 00:34:23.699 --> 00:34:26.899 Conference Room A: I'm okay watching it, I'm just trying to figure out how it could be abused. 279 00:34:27.020 --> 00:34:28.020 Conference Room A: Ew. 280 00:34:28.469 --> 00:34:46.430 Conference Room A: Like, if I had this bill, and I was, you know, I was trying to unload this thing, what would I do? I mean, if I was told it couldn't be a supermarket, then it would be nice, because then I'd have to find another use for it. Yeah. Right, so it's probably in our favor if we want to preserve our retail and our supermarkets to support it. 281 00:34:46.960 --> 00:34:47.790 Conference Room A: That's all. 282 00:34:47.969 --> 00:34:57.740 Conference Room A: I'm not asking for a support position, I'm just saying, like, I think we want… we want to make sure that… Do I have any place in Cupertino that has this confidence? 283 00:34:58.090 --> 00:35:10.150 Conference Room A: Do we have any covenants like that in Cupertino? I don't know. I might have to ask our, our planning team. I would ask. I don't think so, but… Yeah, I have to verify. Because all Valco was that, probably. Right. So… 284 00:35:10.710 --> 00:35:15.200 Conference Room A: Yeah, I can confirm. Actually, it'd be very nice to know if Falco has that covenant, and… 285 00:35:15.310 --> 00:35:26.370 Conference Room A: We might have avoided it by accident. I'd love to know. But there was no grocery stores there. One big mall? Small call. The supermarket there? 286 00:35:26.480 --> 00:35:31.549 Conference Room A: couldn't tell. At some point, we had a bazaar going on down there. 287 00:35:31.550 --> 00:35:38.080 Jason Gonsalves: The prior… if it was a big mall, the prior mall, owners probably had some restrictive covenants. 288 00:35:38.770 --> 00:35:41.579 Conference Room A: I mean, Macy's… we had Macy's, Sears… 289 00:35:42.010 --> 00:35:42.340 Jason Gonsalves: We'll see. 290 00:35:42.340 --> 00:35:42.980 Conference Room A: Cheers. 291 00:35:42.980 --> 00:35:46.010 Jason Gonsalves: Cirrus was known for them. I mean, they were very good at… 292 00:35:46.470 --> 00:35:49.140 Jason Gonsalves: Putting those restrictions on future development. 293 00:35:49.760 --> 00:35:52.650 Conference Room A: Oh… But too late now. 294 00:35:52.960 --> 00:36:09.399 Conference Room A: Good to know. Only for the history books. Okay, alright. So, you okay with the watch position? Is that where you want to go? Okay, make the motion. Oh, public comment, please. Oh, public comment, please. It's not public comment, so sorry. We have no speakers, Chair. Okay, no speakers, thank you. 295 00:36:10.250 --> 00:36:19.319 Conference Room A: We're all for transparency, I keep forgetting there's no one in this room. We have a Zoom meeting, we have public comment. Please join us next time if you're… We're on YouTube. We're on YouTube. 296 00:36:19.830 --> 00:36:24.259 Conference Room A: We're getting zero views. No, I'm just kidding. More views. Alright. 297 00:36:24.670 --> 00:36:32.300 Conference Room A: Make a motion? Yeah, so I move to adopt a watch position on AB1857. I'll second that. 298 00:36:32.720 --> 00:36:40.900 Conference Room A: Okay, Vice Chair Chow? Aye. Chair Wong? Aye. Aye. Okay, we are now… any staff and committee reports? 299 00:36:40.970 --> 00:36:57.100 Conference Room A: None. None? Okay. And future agenda setting? You had some comments you wanted to add? So I have some comments from the Cities Association Legislative Action Committee, some things they consider that might be of interest. 300 00:36:57.200 --> 00:36:59.800 Conference Room A: So, SB1117. 301 00:37:00.860 --> 00:37:06.049 Conference Room A: That's, bill that would, allow… 302 00:37:07.620 --> 00:37:22.169 Conference Room A: That allow forced the city to waive the fees for the first 750 square foot of an ADU or JADU, so we can only charge in taxes for anything that's above 750 square feet. 303 00:37:23.330 --> 00:37:24.020 Conference Room A: Boom. 304 00:37:24.600 --> 00:37:33.079 Conference Room A: I think, right, now it's just too late for taking a position on, but I think this kind… 305 00:37:33.520 --> 00:37:36.920 Conference Room A: I wish this could have been brought to the committee. 306 00:37:37.670 --> 00:37:42.709 Conference Room A: I think we did a… Because this would affect the city revenue. 307 00:37:44.000 --> 00:37:58.070 Conference Room A: and continue the legislators, thinking impact fee is somehow not… not going to impact city revenue, because impact fees are… 308 00:37:58.200 --> 00:38:12.910 Conference Room A: have to go through a nexus study to show that there is some actual impact. And if they are waiving that, that means the city will eventually have to pay and cure those costs, the burden further down. 309 00:38:13.170 --> 00:38:19.199 Conference Room A: So… Oh, sorry, just one question that. 310 00:38:19.510 --> 00:38:42.260 Conference Room A: I'll just add that this one is on our tracking list, so it's on… it's part of the packet. And as far as the rest of the legislative session goes, like Jason said earlier, the next LRC meeting is in October, so it was meant to be, like, a wrap-up meeting after the end of session. But if there was something that you were strongly, you know, wanting to see, we could still 311 00:38:42.630 --> 00:38:48.140 Conference Room A: we could still bring it to, like, a full council meeting and not an LRC meeting, if there's something that you're really, like. 312 00:38:48.330 --> 00:38:51.200 Conference Room A: want to see Taker. 313 00:38:51.530 --> 00:39:00.669 Conference Room A: CalCities does have an opposed position on SB117, but that's something we might want to talk to with… if you want to, we can talk to, 314 00:39:00.850 --> 00:39:10.579 Conference Room A: Tina and the mayor on whether or not they would like to see this. I don't think… I think at the point any action probably will make any difference, so… Alright. 315 00:39:10.750 --> 00:39:24.770 Conference Room A: Just for information. But, another two bills I think would be of interest, maybe for the Council. It's two bills on nitrous oxide cells. 316 00:39:24.940 --> 00:39:30.480 Conference Room A: So, SB936 and SB758. 317 00:39:31.010 --> 00:39:43.669 Conference Room A: Okay. Both of these, cities association took a support position, because there were… there are smoke shops selling nitric oxide, 318 00:39:44.080 --> 00:39:51.730 Conference Room A: As a smoking option on… And then Sunnyvale actually had an emergency moratorium. 319 00:39:51.860 --> 00:40:01.610 Conference Room A: On natural oxide cells in their smoke shops, and then they adopted the ordinance to repain it. 320 00:40:03.790 --> 00:40:25.550 Conference Room A: I'll just say that, I know that Cupertino doesn't have any smoke shops currently, so that's good for us. Have any smoke shops? We don't have any specific… Since 2011, those, can they still… Well, those aren't considered smoke shops. They sell cigarettes, but, like, they're not allowed to sell, like, vapes or flavored vapes right now, currently. Flavored tobacco. Ordinance, flavored tobacco. 321 00:40:25.870 --> 00:40:39.350 Conference Room A: these nitrates… I don't know if they can, but I just know we don't have any specific smoke shops where they only sell smoke products. There's none in Cupertino. Okay, good. So that's at least good for us, but 322 00:40:39.660 --> 00:40:43.720 Conference Room A: I can definitely look into if that's something that 7- Eleven sells, if you would like. 323 00:40:44.370 --> 00:40:57.590 Conference Room A: Yeah, just something to look into, because it seems to be such a big deal in Sunnyvale, right? So, I'd like to know it's not us, but we had parents complain about 324 00:40:57.960 --> 00:41:02.520 Conference Room A: Some other product, I think, out of 7-Eleven sold. 325 00:41:02.810 --> 00:41:06.579 Conference Room A: That's… I forgot the name, yeah. 326 00:41:07.500 --> 00:41:11.160 Conference Room A: Okay. And they always come up with new things. 327 00:41:13.380 --> 00:41:16.370 Conference Room A: Alright, I'll look into that. 328 00:41:18.590 --> 00:41:20.210 Conference Room A: Okay, any other… 329 00:41:20.960 --> 00:41:26.040 Conference Room A: Anything else on your end? No. I think the other people who are selling… are Banning's Creighton. 330 00:41:26.430 --> 00:41:35.549 Conference Room A: So, it's, energy supplement. Oh, yeah. Kratone. Kraton. That's the other one. Okay. So, that's… we don't have any statewide bions on nitrous or cratone coming up as well, is there? 331 00:41:36.180 --> 00:41:41.499 Conference Room A: Washington State just passed a ban on nitrous, so that was the one. Oh, yeah? Yeah. 332 00:41:42.410 --> 00:41:51.410 Jason Gonsalves: Those… just those two bills that the Vice Mayor mentioned on the nitrous oxide side, as far as prohibiting the sale in these smoke shops, 333 00:41:51.790 --> 00:42:02.819 Jason Gonsalves: Creighton, nothing that… I'll do a search, and we'll report back if there is, but nothing that comes to mind. I know it's… it's becoming a trend of seeing these shops selling 334 00:42:03.010 --> 00:42:05.030 Jason Gonsalves: Creighton, you know, around. 335 00:42:05.870 --> 00:42:10.340 Conference Room A: Yeah, they're being sold every… they're being sold everywhere, especially on truck routes. 336 00:42:10.610 --> 00:42:12.749 Conference Room A: So, that's the other piece. 337 00:42:13.190 --> 00:42:26.739 Jason Gonsalves: It's just, it's amazing, you know, when… 100 years ago, my wife worked in dentistry, and you had nitrous oxide, you had to have it locked up in a separate room, and it couldn't be accessed by the general public. 338 00:42:26.890 --> 00:42:33.250 Jason Gonsalves: And now the idea that smoke shops can sell them… sell it to kids or, you know, 18-year-olds, it's… 339 00:42:33.760 --> 00:42:38.589 Jason Gonsalves: I guess the way the pendulum has swung is somewhat crazy, in my view. 340 00:42:39.890 --> 00:42:41.740 Conference Room A: Yeah. Yeah. 341 00:42:42.330 --> 00:42:43.530 Conference Room A: Stop. 342 00:42:43.920 --> 00:42:45.900 Conference Room A: Welcome to each time, that's great, so… 343 00:42:45.900 --> 00:42:51.100 Jason Gonsalves: That was my old man moment, hearkening back to the old days. 344 00:42:51.970 --> 00:43:04.609 Paul Gonsalves: there was a bill, AB 1088, dealing with Kratom, but that bill was held in the assembly, on the assembly floor, so that bill is dead. So I expect them to see… to see them and reintroduce it in January. 345 00:43:04.930 --> 00:43:06.749 Conference Room A: Probably gonna come back, see that. 346 00:43:06.940 --> 00:43:13.289 Conference Room A: So, Louisiana and Washington are the two states that have banned nitrous oxide in sales. 347 00:43:13.420 --> 00:43:24.959 Conference Room A: Two of the least likely states, I would imagine. Yeah, I was… And that's great, that's great for them. Washington states surprised me, because… Louisiana surprised me, too, because I think it's become a problem. 348 00:43:25.080 --> 00:43:28.069 Conference Room A: So, I was up there with Horse Trank in Philly. 349 00:43:30.060 --> 00:43:39.090 Conference Room A: Okay, thank you. Anything else to ask for the agenda items? Okay, when is our next meeting? Just, yes, I was gonna say, October 19th, 350 00:43:39.090 --> 00:43:50.390 Conference Room A: it will be kind of our last kind of wrap-up meeting for this year, wrap up the Legislative Session. And then… is it October? Yeah, it's on a Monday, October 19th, it'll be here at 2 o'clock. 351 00:43:50.440 --> 00:44:09.819 Conference Room A: And we'll prepare a wrap-up for all of you, and go over kind of where our positions landed. And the last thing I'll say is, for any positions that you already took positions on this year, if they go to the governor, we will automatically send letters of signature or veto, depending on what you adopted, right? So… 352 00:44:09.820 --> 00:44:27.910 Conference Room A: That is what we'll be working on for the next couple months, and then we'll come back with an update for you in October. So, are we going to provide an info memo, maybe for the City Council? Yeah, we usually do… Summarize of what we… Yeah, we usually do, so we'll try to publish the memo close to when the meeting is, so it's kind of, like, at the same time. 353 00:44:27.940 --> 00:44:44.559 Conference Room A: And then, are we planning to invite the legislators to come to the council for an update? Yeah. Yeah, I think we did that last year, right? So I can… Sounds good. We can work on that. I'll reach out to them and see what we can do. Yeah, let's get them. I'll try my best. They can come separately, then come together, it's fine. 354 00:44:45.430 --> 00:44:46.180 Conference Room A: Okay. 355 00:44:47.480 --> 00:44:48.370 Conference Room A: Agreed. 356 00:44:49.030 --> 00:45:00.310 Conference Room A: That's it for us. This might be a little late, I think we were planning that a little earlier last year, because of their schedule, so… Yeah, yeah. 357 00:45:00.760 --> 00:45:03.980 Conference Room A: I think we did, like, a wrap-up last year as well, didn't we? 358 00:45:04.620 --> 00:45:06.690 Conference Room A: In October? Or was it earlier? 359 00:45:06.860 --> 00:45:16.389 Conference Room A: I don't recall. Oh, you mean for AORC? No, we did it at the council meeting. Oh. And they presented on that, that. Oh. 360 00:45:16.680 --> 00:45:30.980 Conference Room A: Oh, it was a special meeting. It was Assemblymember Aaron's, and… It was, like, Monday, eventually. Oh, a special meeting, yeah. Yeah, because we somehow… Yeah. Well, scheduling them is difficult. Yeah, but I remember we tried that… Yeah. 361 00:45:31.560 --> 00:45:40.970 Conference Room A: before August. Yeah, we'll try best to find a meeting that works for them, and then we'll publish a memo and have this meeting as well. So, yeah. 362 00:45:40.970 --> 00:45:46.030 Jason Gonsalves: I know you did it in the fall because Patrick showed up without an umbrella and it was raining outside. 363 00:45:46.030 --> 00:45:48.110 Conference Room A: There we go, yeah. 364 00:45:48.680 --> 00:45:50.790 Conference Room A: Good memory, Jason. 365 00:45:50.960 --> 00:45:51.980 Conference Room A: Great. 366 00:45:52.250 --> 00:45:55.729 Jason Gonsalves: That was a nice way of saying he showed up all wet. 367 00:45:55.730 --> 00:46:06.150 Conference Room A: Yep. So maybe sometime late November, like, after the election? Maybe after elections. Yeah, yeah. Okay. Alright, we'll do our best to schedule that. 368 00:46:06.750 --> 00:46:13.630 Conference Room A: Great. That's it for us. Thank you, thank you. Thank you. This meeting is effectively adjourned. Thank you. Thank you.