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Home My WebLink AboutLRC 06-01-2026 Youtube and Zoom TranscriptWEBVTT 1 00:00:00.740 --> 00:00:10.799 Conference Room A: I don't share many things these days, but please start the meeting. I like to call this, January, June 1st, Legislative Review Committee meeting to order. 2 00:00:13.470 --> 00:00:15.250 Conference Room A: So… let's see… 3 00:00:15.890 --> 00:00:22.209 Conference Room A: Let's start with a, I guess, roll call, so… Chair Wong. Here? Ms. Chair Zhao? Here. 4 00:00:25.890 --> 00:00:30.780 Conference Room A: I guess everyone's here. It's alright, we will begin. So, any oral communications? 5 00:00:31.390 --> 00:00:38.109 Conference Room A: We have… No speakers. Alright, and let's do the approval of the minutes, so… 6 00:00:38.820 --> 00:00:55.640 Conference Room A: Let me… the nomination for the approval of the minutes? Motions of 4. Any changes? Of course. All right, motion for approval, second. Roll call. Chair Wong? Aye. Vice Chair Chao? Aye. Motion carries unanimously. Okay, moving into new business. 7 00:00:55.642 --> 00:01:09.522 Speaker 1 (Conference Room A): Legislative update, let's take a look at the legislative update and see if there's any, input on the bill tracking list, as well as positions from SCC, SCC, Cities Association, UMB, Cal Cities. So let's take a look. 8 00:01:10.282 --> 00:01:16.802 Speaker 1 (Conference Room A): Chairman, I haven't suggest we have any additional SMB? Oh, great question. We are lobbyists. 9 00:01:16.982 --> 00:01:22.901 Speaker 1 (Conference Room A): Don't see any. Yes, we do have Jason. Oh, let's bring him in. Jason? 10 00:01:22.910 --> 00:01:23.729 Speaker 3 (Conference Room A): update. Yeah. 11 00:01:23.731 --> 00:01:24.740 Conference Room A: Let's do an update. 12 00:01:27.450 --> 00:01:30.230 Jason Gonsalves: I… can you… Oh, and I can… 13 00:01:30.230 --> 00:01:32.499 Speaker 1 (Conference Room A): I hear you now, finally. Good. How about that? 14 00:01:32.500 --> 00:01:39.200 Jason Gonsalves: And I think Paul is in the waiting room as well. I don't know if it gives me a camera option. 15 00:01:40.200 --> 00:01:40.940 Jason Gonsalves: But. 16 00:01:41.930 --> 00:01:43.599 Speaker 1 (Conference Room A): Can we bring them in? Let's see. 17 00:01:44.580 --> 00:01:45.360 Speaker 1 (Conference Room A): Huh? 18 00:01:46.500 --> 00:01:48.690 Conference Room A: It should be able to use their cameras. 19 00:01:49.700 --> 00:01:50.570 Speaker 1 (Conference Room A): Let's take a look. 20 00:01:50.780 --> 00:01:51.750 Speaker 1 (Conference Room A): I'll join with them. 21 00:01:52.250 --> 00:01:53.390 Jason Gonsalves: Audiobook. 22 00:01:53.950 --> 00:01:55.899 Speaker 1 (Conference Room A): Let me join with them, see what we got here. 23 00:01:56.060 --> 00:01:56.910 Speaker 1 (Conference Room A): So… 24 00:02:03.560 --> 00:02:05.230 Jason Gonsalves: Oh, here we go. Join us, panel. 25 00:02:08.220 --> 00:02:10.430 Conference Room A: C. Oh, good. There we go. 26 00:02:10.669 --> 00:02:11.259 Speaker 4 (Conference Room A): Oh. 27 00:02:12.470 --> 00:02:12.910 Speaker 1 (Conference Room A): Just food. 28 00:02:13.740 --> 00:02:16.069 Speaker 1 (Conference Room A): There we go. Welcome, welcome. There we go. 29 00:02:16.070 --> 00:02:16.870 Jason Gonsalves: Thank you. 30 00:02:17.160 --> 00:02:18.330 Paul Gonsalves: Good afternoon, everyone. 31 00:02:21.530 --> 00:02:29.829 Jason Gonsalves: So, as far as, just very briefly, on the update, as you likely know, I'll just… the high level, the governor did, 32 00:02:30.040 --> 00:02:39.059 Jason Gonsalves: releases may revise. There's been about a $16 billion divide between the governor and the legislative analyst, nonpartisan legislative analysts. 33 00:02:39.150 --> 00:02:51.510 Jason Gonsalves: The good news, I guess, in the near term is the governor's numbers are actually proving to be, quite accurate. The state general fund has benefited from about $6 to $8 billion in 34 00:02:51.570 --> 00:03:09.970 Jason Gonsalves: I'll call it new money. It's the over-reliance, or reliance on capital gains and the ultra-wealthy, the NVIDIA IPOs, as an example. And the projection for this budget year is for that revenue to continue to flow because of OpenAI, ChatGPT, and 35 00:03:09.970 --> 00:03:14.160 Jason Gonsalves: And probably most notably, SpaceX IPO on the horizon, so… 36 00:03:14.160 --> 00:03:22.950 Jason Gonsalves: On the budget, we will have a adopted budget by June 15th, but the revenues, again, in the near term, are… 37 00:03:23.070 --> 00:03:26.180 Jason Gonsalves: looking more positive. Now, in order for all of those 38 00:03:26.990 --> 00:03:39.079 Jason Gonsalves: IPOs to do well, there's the flip side, which is how many jobs get displaced when OpenAI, ChatGBT, and the others come online? So there is that counterbalance that 39 00:03:39.220 --> 00:03:44.320 Jason Gonsalves: The legislature, governor on down, are starting to pay attention to. 40 00:03:44.770 --> 00:03:50.580 Jason Gonsalves: And… and we'll see how that goes, but obviously labor unions and others are… share those concerns. 41 00:03:50.870 --> 00:03:56.729 Jason Gonsalves: On the… on the list, I know you have quite a bit of materials in the packet. I would note that 42 00:03:56.920 --> 00:04:06.140 Jason Gonsalves: Last week, Friday was the deadline, but they adjourned late Thursday in the Assembly for all bills to pass out of the House of Origin. 43 00:04:06.240 --> 00:04:16.550 Jason Gonsalves: And so, the majority of bills did pass, the two on… The… legislative tracking list. 44 00:04:16.709 --> 00:04:18.959 Jason Gonsalves: that I would note that did not pass. 45 00:04:19.029 --> 00:04:34.470 Jason Gonsalves: or… and they're not key ones, but AB 2192, it was a sales and use tax exemption for farm equipment by Assemblymember Jeff Gonzalez. That did not pass. And then Assemblymember Corey Jackson had AB 2214 for government… 46 00:04:34.530 --> 00:04:42.740 Jason Gonsalves: governance finance deposits, and that bill also did not pass, and they hadn't moved since January, so no surprises there, but… 47 00:04:42.870 --> 00:04:44.890 Jason Gonsalves: Otherwise, the… 48 00:04:45.130 --> 00:05:05.099 Jason Gonsalves: I guess, heightened level of scrutiny for bills and vetting is going to start between now and July 2nd, because July 2nd is the deadline for bills to pass out of the policy committees in the second house. So, all assembly bills have to get out of the Senate Policy Committees and Senate bills out of the Assembly by July 2nd. 49 00:05:05.860 --> 00:05:10.629 Jason Gonsalves: Lastly, they… from July 2nd to August 2nd, they go on summer recess. 50 00:05:11.250 --> 00:05:18.239 Jason Gonsalves: And I know it sounds like a lot of dates, but the key date, August 31st, is sine die, meaning final adjournment. 51 00:05:18.540 --> 00:05:25.160 Jason Gonsalves: So if you do… if you do the calendar math, we're down to 8 weeks of session and about 1,800 bills. 52 00:05:25.290 --> 00:05:28.460 Jason Gonsalves: So I'll stop there, and happy to answer any questions. 53 00:05:32.430 --> 00:05:35.299 Speaker 1 (Conference Room A): Oh, any questions on the bills that you're looking at, or the ones that were in? 54 00:05:36.120 --> 00:05:38.519 Speaker 1 (Conference Room A): So, when we walk in, when… 55 00:05:39.880 --> 00:05:47.880 Speaker 1 (Conference Room A): we have a list right now of, like, those bills that are highly likely to pass, highly likely not to pass, right? We kind of have some kind of probability on those as well. 56 00:05:49.200 --> 00:05:49.940 Jason Gonsalves: Yes. 57 00:05:49.940 --> 00:05:51.499 Speaker 1 (Conference Room A): packing list, so… 58 00:05:51.500 --> 00:05:52.100 Jason Gonsalves: Yes. 59 00:05:52.760 --> 00:05:53.350 Speaker 1 (Conference Room A): Okay. 60 00:05:53.470 --> 00:05:54.330 Speaker 1 (Conference Room A): So… 61 00:05:55.090 --> 00:05:56.719 Jason Gonsalves: And again, all of which have… 62 00:05:56.940 --> 00:06:15.759 Jason Gonsalves: The bulk of the bills, once you get past appropriations, they moved out of the houses of origin, but it will be a higher bar to pass, if you will, for second house. You get a natural deference when you have an assembly bill and you're in front of your assembly committees versus an assembly bill in front of the Senate. 63 00:06:15.840 --> 00:06:21.700 Jason Gonsalves: So, the numbers will pare down here shortly. 64 00:06:22.340 --> 00:06:33.489 Speaker 1 (Conference Room A): Okay. Yeah, let's take a look at the tracking list, then, and see if there's anything that you want to add, Liang, or if anyone else here has a suggestion on the tracking list. If there's anything that pops your mind, we'll just go through them. 65 00:06:34.170 --> 00:06:36.439 Speaker 1 (Conference Room A): If there's anything you want to change, add, track… 66 00:06:36.870 --> 00:06:41.169 Speaker 1 (Conference Room A): And do we get input as well from the rest of the council members as to what their interests were as well? 67 00:06:41.880 --> 00:07:00.059 Speaker 1 (Conference Room A): So, council members, can share with staff, but primarily it's the LRC that will… Okay. I didn't know if there was any input that we were reaching out to them on. Yeah, I haven't heard anything, have you? Okay. Yeah. Alright, just want to make sure we got their input, if they had anything through staff that they might have suggested. So, how is the… 68 00:07:00.060 --> 00:07:03.770 Speaker 1 (Conference Room A): likelihood for that town… townhong… 69 00:07:03.770 --> 00:07:06.239 Speaker 2 (Conference Room A): act to pass. 70 00:07:07.080 --> 00:07:09.070 Speaker 2 (Conference Room A): That will streamline. 71 00:07:09.180 --> 00:07:10.440 Speaker 2 (Conference Room A): The townhome development. 72 00:07:11.430 --> 00:07:14.100 Jason Gonsalves: Yeah, kind of the buy right for townhomes as. 73 00:07:14.100 --> 00:07:15.270 Speaker 2 (Conference Room A): Alright, yeah. 74 00:07:15.530 --> 00:07:18.879 Jason Gonsalves: We'll call it. It did move out of the assembly. 75 00:07:19.010 --> 00:07:29.970 Jason Gonsalves: rather swiftly, 47-0 out of the Assembly, 33 abstentions, but I would note there were no no votes. It will… 76 00:07:30.150 --> 00:07:42.160 Jason Gonsalves: In the Senate, it'll face, I think, a little steeper climb, but it does have a fair amount of momentum. It's Assemblymember Sharon Quirk-Silva, and she's partnered with Assemblymember Buffy Wicks. 77 00:07:42.320 --> 00:07:44.759 Jason Gonsalves: who is Chair of Appropriations, so… 78 00:07:44.880 --> 00:07:47.249 Jason Gonsalves: It has a fair amount of momentum. 79 00:07:50.980 --> 00:07:52.799 Conference Room A: So it will likely pass. 80 00:07:54.220 --> 00:07:56.070 Speaker 1 (Conference Room A): Are we saying it would likely pass? 81 00:07:56.250 --> 00:08:03.519 Jason Gonsalves: I would say it's, chances of passage I would put at 60- 40. I mean, we're still working against it. 82 00:08:03.680 --> 00:08:04.780 Jason Gonsalves: But, 83 00:08:05.750 --> 00:08:21.789 Jason Gonsalves: Cal Cities is asking for amendments to it, rather than just outright opposition, and there's about 10 to 12 cities, so if local governments start to kind of raise up more, I think our chances of stopping it improve, but it's… it's been moving 84 00:08:22.220 --> 00:08:28.869 Jason Gonsalves: with a lower level of opposition than, for example, the TOD bill, SB79, last year. 85 00:08:28.980 --> 00:08:33.690 Jason Gonsalves: So… It, you know, the members… 86 00:08:34.309 --> 00:08:39.829 Jason Gonsalves: that have, I'll call it, buyer's remorse on SB79, this may be a little tougher vote, the Senate. 87 00:08:41.710 --> 00:08:42.910 Speaker 2 (Conference Room A): I wouldn't call, I wouldn't call this… 88 00:08:42.919 --> 00:08:45.149 Jason Gonsalves: Slam dunk. I'm sorry, I'm sorry, go ahead. 89 00:08:45.150 --> 00:08:48.560 Speaker 2 (Conference Room A): What kind of buyer's remorse you have heard? 90 00:08:48.780 --> 00:08:50.710 Speaker 2 (Conference Room A): For SB79. 91 00:08:50.710 --> 00:09:10.470 Jason Gonsalves: Well, what's happened is, for example, Assemblymember John Harabedian out of the Burbank area, he has legislation looking to try to clean it up for the impacts on his district. Assemblymember Josh Hoover, out of the Folsom area, who voted for SB79, now has a bill to exempt 92 00:09:10.470 --> 00:09:18.220 Jason Gonsalves: Historic downtown districts. Actually, it doesn't exempt. It allows you to move your high-density, high-rise. 93 00:09:18.260 --> 00:09:29.159 Jason Gonsalves: housing to an alternative site, away from your downtown historic district. So, there's examples of members that, since having voted for it. 94 00:09:29.240 --> 00:09:32.909 Jason Gonsalves: Are hearing from their local communities about the impacts, and… 95 00:09:33.060 --> 00:09:35.860 Jason Gonsalves: And it's generating the buyer's remorse I mentioned. 96 00:09:40.890 --> 00:09:44.320 Speaker 1 (Conference Room A): Are there any other ones that you want to take a look at? I can have a list, so… 97 00:09:45.340 --> 00:09:53.209 Speaker 2 (Conference Room A): How about those ones that I think it's trying to fix the… The housing element process? 98 00:09:54.020 --> 00:10:00.710 Speaker 2 (Conference Room A): I think there was one, Cal City supported, to, 99 00:10:02.610 --> 00:10:07.209 Speaker 2 (Conference Room A): About the review, the review process. 100 00:10:11.270 --> 00:10:12.220 Jason Gonsalves: Oh. 101 00:10:12.220 --> 00:10:25.999 Speaker 2 (Conference Room A): Maybe, let me just ask, what bills are there that's trying to fix the current housing element process, and what they… do you have a summary, and what they are looking right now? 102 00:10:26.000 --> 00:10:43.259 Jason Gonsalves: There's several bills regarding the RHNA process, and, if you don't mind, afterwards, I'll send a summary, because there's quite a few in that space. Last year, Cal City sponsored a bill, I want to say it was AB650, by Assemblymember Pappin, that, was vetoed. 103 00:10:43.380 --> 00:10:44.760 Jason Gonsalves: But, 104 00:10:45.010 --> 00:10:55.109 Jason Gonsalves: there's still efforts to try to put some… for example, there was legislation in Los Angeles County to delay the RENA process, because so many of the cities 105 00:10:55.390 --> 00:11:04.350 Jason Gonsalves: didn't have certified housing elements. So there's a number of bills in that space, but what I will say is there's a number of efforts trying to 106 00:11:05.000 --> 00:11:13.989 Jason Gonsalves: put some consistency and predictability in the RHNA process, because oftentimes what local agencies and what members are hearing is. 107 00:11:14.100 --> 00:11:17.169 Jason Gonsalves: City of Cupertino could apply… submit your RENA, 108 00:11:17.430 --> 00:11:31.449 Jason Gonsalves: documents and your plans, and you get a list of 5 revisions, and you make those revisions, and then all of a sudden you get 3 more that were not part of the original review. So they're trying to provide some predictability and consistency to the 109 00:11:32.460 --> 00:11:37.340 Jason Gonsalves: the RENA process, and… and… Not have moving targets, if you will. 110 00:11:38.300 --> 00:11:42.589 Speaker 2 (Conference Room A): Great, a summary later will be great. 111 00:11:43.230 --> 00:11:44.079 Jason Gonsalves: Happy to. 112 00:11:44.580 --> 00:11:55.530 Speaker 1 (Conference Room A): So, on the tracking list, I mean, I think the important thing is, as we're thinking about these, are there certain ones that we will be talking to or bringing folks up to when we get to the next item number 4? That's all, so… 113 00:11:59.170 --> 00:12:09.919 Speaker 1 (Conference Room A): We can save that for the priorities portion, which is fine. I just wanted to make sure. I know we've got a big group that are cracking here. I don't know if there's anything that we've seen here that, that we would… 114 00:12:10.790 --> 00:12:12.529 Speaker 1 (Conference Room A): That we would want to take off of. 115 00:12:12.630 --> 00:12:16.669 Speaker 1 (Conference Room A): Or we would want to add. I think that's probably a more important piece. So… 116 00:12:17.810 --> 00:12:24.050 Speaker 1 (Conference Room A): Was it AB175051, the missing middle townhomes one that you were looking at, or is that a different one? 117 00:12:25.910 --> 00:12:26.700 Speaker 1 (Conference Room A): Oh, yeah. 118 00:12:26.700 --> 00:12:28.600 Jason Gonsalves: Yeah, that was the one we referred. 119 00:12:28.600 --> 00:12:30.419 Speaker 1 (Conference Room A): I think that's the one you're looking for, yup. 120 00:12:32.040 --> 00:12:35.980 Speaker 2 (Conference Room A): So I'm looking at this, AB736. 121 00:12:36.270 --> 00:12:41.589 Speaker 2 (Conference Room A): It's Affordable Housing Bond Act, so this will be… 122 00:12:44.700 --> 00:12:53.649 Speaker 2 (Conference Room A): Wait, it's just… to be approved by voters in June 2nd, 2026. 123 00:12:54.870 --> 00:12:57.559 Speaker 2 (Conference Room A): So this is now for the November ballot. 124 00:12:58.430 --> 00:13:12.530 Jason Gonsalves: This bill has been sitting in the Senate, so it will have to be amended should the author decide to move forward with it, and that's a negotiation, really, that's come down to the author and, the governor and legislative leadership. 125 00:13:12.740 --> 00:13:19.879 Jason Gonsalves: So, it hasn't had any… Recent activity, per se, but… 126 00:13:20.280 --> 00:13:26.710 Jason Gonsalves: your point's a very good one. It's obviously not going to be on the ballot tomorrow, and they'll have to 127 00:13:27.070 --> 00:13:33.500 Jason Gonsalves: amend it, ultimately, should they decide to move forward with a $10 billion bond for either November or sometime thereafter. 128 00:13:34.210 --> 00:13:40.740 Speaker 2 (Conference Room A): Though… So, it sounds like this bill might not move forward. 129 00:13:41.130 --> 00:13:50.180 Speaker 2 (Conference Room A): What's, I'm just wondering, just curious, what's the holdup or resistance? 130 00:13:50.330 --> 00:13:51.100 Speaker 2 (Conference Room A): That's… 131 00:13:52.400 --> 00:14:08.180 Jason Gonsalves: It's really negotiations between the governor and Assemblymember Wicks and the Speaker and the Pro Tem. It's on the Senate floor. It could move down to the Governor very quickly if they reach an agreement, but the holdup is $10 billion of debt service 132 00:14:08.180 --> 00:14:12.779 Jason Gonsalves: Given the state's general fund, deficit and challenges. 133 00:14:13.930 --> 00:14:17.890 Speaker 2 (Conference Room A): Oh, so the governor has some concerns, likely. 134 00:14:18.150 --> 00:14:19.360 Speaker 2 (Conference Room A): about it. 135 00:14:19.840 --> 00:14:28.290 Jason Gonsalves: That's where the whole… yes, the governor has, you know, given Prop 4 and the climate bond that was just passed by the voters, and the 136 00:14:28.440 --> 00:14:37.450 Jason Gonsalves: $5, $6 billion, I believe, that will be going to the market, the debt service on that. It's a matter of how much bandwidth does the state have for. 137 00:14:38.190 --> 00:14:40.380 Speaker 2 (Conference Room A): Or… 138 00:14:41.440 --> 00:14:53.380 Speaker 2 (Conference Room A): Just along the same line, are there any other similar… Bond major, going to the… November election. 139 00:14:55.110 --> 00:14:57.529 Jason Gonsalves: The… as far as, bonds. 140 00:14:57.940 --> 00:15:03.230 Jason Gonsalves: none that come to mind. The cap and invest program could ultimately 141 00:15:03.400 --> 00:15:08.390 Jason Gonsalves: end up becoming a bond. There's been talk of… 142 00:15:09.130 --> 00:15:15.510 Jason Gonsalves: Trying to do something for the insurance market on bonds and healthcare, given the… 143 00:15:15.690 --> 00:15:21.060 Jason Gonsalves: So, insurance and healthcare would be the other potential 144 00:15:21.550 --> 00:15:26.710 Jason Gonsalves: Areas that a bond measure could come about because of the 145 00:15:26.980 --> 00:15:32.390 Jason Gonsalves: Healthcare impacts of federal dollars potentially drying up, about a billion dollars worth. 146 00:15:32.510 --> 00:15:36.059 Jason Gonsalves: But thus far, nothing that is… 147 00:15:36.370 --> 00:15:39.489 Jason Gonsalves: Move beyond where the housing bond efforts are. 148 00:15:42.990 --> 00:16:00.769 Speaker 1 (Conference Room A): I have two questions, are you okay? Alright. I have two questions. AB1976, streets and Highways, pedestrian bicycle facilities. How far along is that, and is that something we should take a position for? This is basically the one that makes a pedestrian mall, officially a pedestrian mall, with no other way of recourse to bring it back. 149 00:16:03.020 --> 00:16:04.639 Paul Gonsalves: That bill is currently in the Senate. 150 00:16:04.810 --> 00:16:08.969 Paul Gonsalves: So that one passed out of the Assembly, is now in the Senate, waiting to be heard in Policy Committee. 151 00:16:10.250 --> 00:16:10.860 Conference Room A: Okay. 152 00:16:11.230 --> 00:16:18.720 Jason Gonsalves: And it's, again, Assemblymember Buffy Wicks, Chair of Appropriations, so, she does a lot in this space, and… 153 00:16:18.880 --> 00:16:20.549 Jason Gonsalves: It does have some momentum. 154 00:16:21.110 --> 00:16:22.580 Jason Gonsalves: The pedals are moving. 155 00:16:23.540 --> 00:16:40.400 Speaker 1 (Conference Room A): Literally, yes. And then on the land use housing, AB1997, this is the one for just streamlining things through CEQA more quickly, for housing development approvals. Why… I just want to know what's the… 156 00:16:40.460 --> 00:16:43.899 Speaker 1 (Conference Room A): I understand why we're taking a position of opposition. Who's behind this one? 157 00:16:45.080 --> 00:16:50.320 Jason Gonsalves: That bill's the housing advocates as well. It passed out of the Assembly 71-3. 158 00:16:50.550 --> 00:16:55.189 Jason Gonsalves: And so it too has a significant amount of momentum. 159 00:16:55.960 --> 00:17:01.340 Jason Gonsalves: behind it, I was pulling the AIDS Healthcare Foundation to sponsor. 160 00:17:01.340 --> 00:17:01.950 Paul Gonsalves: Yep. 161 00:17:02.080 --> 00:17:04.440 Jason Gonsalves: And no opposition thus far. 162 00:17:08.680 --> 00:17:12.779 Speaker 1 (Conference Room A): Okay. Something could happen on the other end, but not sure. 163 00:17:18.729 --> 00:17:22.049 Speaker 2 (Conference Room A): Do you have anything else? I, I do. 164 00:17:22.055 --> 00:17:23.684 Speaker 1 (Conference Room A): Keo, go ahead, go ahead, jump in. 165 00:17:23.930 --> 00:17:35.540 Speaker 2 (Conference Room A): I'm wondering about the e-bike, bills. I think in the Cities Association, we had… they had, one bill on e-bike. 166 00:17:35.730 --> 00:17:43.680 Speaker 2 (Conference Room A): I abstained at the time, because I wasn't sure if we have policy on that, but I later checked that we do… 167 00:17:43.790 --> 00:17:50.110 Speaker 2 (Conference Room A): Our legislative platform does, say we want to… 168 00:17:50.330 --> 00:17:59.570 Speaker 2 (Conference Room A): support e-bike regulations, so I'm just wondering, do you know? Because that's an issue that has been coming up in our community. 169 00:18:00.210 --> 00:18:03.090 Speaker 1 (Conference Room A): AB2346 is the one, I believe. 170 00:18:03.270 --> 00:18:09.359 Speaker 1 (Conference Room A): 2346? Yeah, look up 2346, it's about getting speed limits for e-bikes. 171 00:18:10.040 --> 00:18:15.699 Speaker 1 (Conference Room A): And regulating a speedometer. If you sell an e-bike, it has to have a speedometer as well. 172 00:18:16.260 --> 00:18:20.429 Speaker 1 (Conference Room A): I think there's another one, I can't remember which one. I'm trying to pull it up right now. 173 00:18:21.180 --> 00:18:39.709 Jason Gonsalves: 2346 is a key one, appropriately noted, and the author is the chair of the Assembly Transportation Committee. I know this falls under item number 4, but as part of our upcoming schedule of meetings in Sacramento on June 9th, we do have a meeting with Assemblymember Wilson, who's the 174 00:18:39.910 --> 00:18:43.419 Jason Gonsalves: again, the author… or the chair of transportation, I'm the author of that. 175 00:18:43.740 --> 00:18:55.739 Jason Gonsalves: legislation, there's been a number of… I think your community, it's no surprise to you, obviously, as well, but a number of tragic incidents. 80-year-old man was hit a few weeks back. 176 00:18:55.850 --> 00:19:04.080 Jason Gonsalves: In Orange County, by a 14-year-old on an e-bike, the district attorney's bringing charges against the mother. 177 00:19:04.430 --> 00:19:07.200 Jason Gonsalves: And so it was in the city of Lake Forest. 178 00:19:07.490 --> 00:19:08.330 Jason Gonsalves: So… 179 00:19:08.620 --> 00:19:21.449 Jason Gonsalves: there's going to be an ongoing and continued focus on e- bikes, given the number of… I know you… here in the city of Davis, had a fatality, someone struck on an e-bike, it's just… 180 00:19:22.340 --> 00:19:34.560 Jason Gonsalves: I guess I'm old enough. We used to call those mopeds. You pedal the pedals until the engine turned on, and they're… they're motorcycles now. I mean, some of them are exceeding 40 miles an hour. 181 00:19:35.150 --> 00:19:38.429 Speaker 2 (Conference Room A): Yeah, so what's the second bill you mentioned? Sorry. 182 00:19:40.320 --> 00:19:44.560 Speaker 1 (Conference Room A): You mentioned two bills. I thought there was a second one, I haven't found it yet. I'm looking for it. 183 00:19:44.565 --> 00:19:48.295 Speaker 2 (Conference Room A): EB2346 is a speed limit one. 184 00:19:48.975 --> 00:19:57.194 Speaker 2 (Conference Room A): Yes. There is one that the City Association looked at, that's SB1167. 185 00:19:58.485 --> 00:20:13.804 Speaker 2 (Conference Room A): I think that has to do the… with the classification of the… whether they… it will… some of them do require driver's license, and I think another issue is some of the e-bike is not even 186 00:20:13.915 --> 00:20:18.564 Speaker 2 (Conference Room A): powered by pedal, it's powered by a throttle. And… 187 00:20:18.795 --> 00:20:30.655 Speaker 2 (Conference Room A): So there are different classifications, and oh yeah, it's very hard to distinguish between different classes of e-bike. So they are trying to make better marking, I think. 188 00:20:32.170 --> 00:20:46.139 Jason Gonsalves: And you'll see on the one you noted, which is also moving, SB1167, it is looking to require a vehicle identification number for the bikes that exceed the 3750 watts, but it also has 189 00:20:47.070 --> 00:20:54.000 Jason Gonsalves: about 8 to 10 co-authors, both Democrats and Republicans, and the point being is they're garnering 190 00:20:54.050 --> 00:21:10.339 Jason Gonsalves: bipartisan interest on e-bikes, so if it's agreeable to the committee, I'll add a report for RENA, as previously mentioned, but also, if you're okay with it, I'll send you a listing of active e-bike bills, because there's about 191 00:21:10.760 --> 00:21:11.340 Jason Gonsalves: to 12 months. 192 00:21:11.340 --> 00:21:13.759 Speaker 2 (Conference Room A): That would be great. That would be great, yeah. 193 00:21:14.040 --> 00:21:14.880 Jason Gonsalves: Happy to… 194 00:21:16.510 --> 00:21:28.649 Speaker 1 (Conference Room A): I have a question, then. We'll just keep swapping. On AB2576, this is the one on transit-oriented housing. Is this really just designed to protect the historical districts, or there's something else to it? 195 00:21:30.320 --> 00:21:36.179 Jason Gonsalves: 576, there's more to it, and there's ongoing discussions with 196 00:21:36.290 --> 00:21:45.239 Jason Gonsalves: Senator Weiner on the bill. The one that is for transit districts, and I should know these numbers offhand, but 197 00:21:48.010 --> 00:21:51.009 Jason Gonsalves: I'll tell you the bill number, it's… 198 00:21:53.760 --> 00:22:01.709 Speaker 1 (Conference Room A): It's about adding exclusions for historical districts, which is great. I just want to make sure that's what we're supporting, not the notion of a transit-oriented development district, so… 199 00:22:01.710 --> 00:22:06.370 Jason Gonsalves: It's AB 2415, and that's by Assemblymember Hoover. 200 00:22:07.330 --> 00:22:08.810 Speaker 1 (Conference Room A): Okay, I'm gonna take a look. 201 00:22:14.180 --> 00:22:15.240 Speaker 1 (Conference Room A): Let's see 202 00:22:19.270 --> 00:22:21.679 Speaker 1 (Conference Room A): Alright, I don't see that one, but 2415? 203 00:22:21.900 --> 00:22:27.369 Speaker 1 (Conference Room A): So… For the most part, these were numerically ordered. 204 00:22:27.860 --> 00:22:32.649 Speaker 1 (Conference Room A): I'm looking at here… Oh, I'm looking at the Cities Association one, sorry about that, that's why. 205 00:22:32.920 --> 00:22:33.800 Speaker 1 (Conference Room A): Got it. 206 00:22:35.000 --> 00:22:40.369 Speaker 1 (Conference Room A): Let's stop this one… Yup, got it. 207 00:22:45.890 --> 00:22:55.729 Speaker 2 (Conference Room A): At least, also the fire safety is of focus, or what kind of bills are there for fire safety? 208 00:22:56.040 --> 00:22:58.680 Speaker 2 (Conference Room A): evacuation routes. 209 00:23:00.580 --> 00:23:03.029 Jason Gonsalves: There's… Quite a few… 210 00:23:03.030 --> 00:23:12.219 Speaker 2 (Conference Room A): And then also bills to address insurance costs of… yeah. There's 2517, right, that Council had supported, I think. 211 00:23:13.450 --> 00:23:15.890 Speaker 2 (Conference Room A): What other bills are there? 212 00:23:17.980 --> 00:23:34.820 Jason Gonsalves: there's SB828, And that's having to do with explosives and… And… basically the Sparto… tragedy. Assemblymember Bennett has AB1143. 213 00:23:35.950 --> 00:23:41.279 Jason Gonsalves: Having to do with fire safety. And then there's talk of… 214 00:23:42.060 --> 00:23:53.320 Jason Gonsalves: And Assemblymember Calderon had legislation seeking to do so, but it hasn't really materialized. But there's talk of trying to come up with a plan to require 215 00:23:53.560 --> 00:23:57.570 Jason Gonsalves: the California Fair Plans to provide insurance 216 00:23:58.030 --> 00:24:09.559 Jason Gonsalves: that captures more than just fire safety. So right now, if you're in the fair plan, you also have to have a separate policy for your contents and other exposure. They're trying to require 217 00:24:10.230 --> 00:24:12.459 Jason Gonsalves: There's talk of requiring the fare plan to 218 00:24:12.700 --> 00:24:20.789 Jason Gonsalves: to cover all aspects. Problem is, the Fair Plant's one of the most expensive, if not the most expensive insurance option. 219 00:24:20.890 --> 00:24:27.030 Jason Gonsalves: And… The concern is if you require them to cover your contents or any other exposure. 220 00:24:27.780 --> 00:24:31.140 Jason Gonsalves: It will even become that much more cost prohibitive. 221 00:24:32.550 --> 00:24:33.160 Speaker 2 (Conference Room A): Won. 222 00:24:33.310 --> 00:24:38.040 Jason Gonsalves: So it's, it's kind of an ongoing… Conversation around the fare plan. 223 00:24:39.000 --> 00:24:39.720 Speaker 2 (Conference Room A): Got it. 224 00:24:41.080 --> 00:24:49.490 Speaker 1 (Conference Room A): Going back to AB 1732, which is, CEQA exemptions for public higher education housing developments, 225 00:24:50.480 --> 00:24:53.070 Speaker 1 (Conference Room A): What is the rationale to support that one? 226 00:24:55.410 --> 00:24:59.689 Speaker 1 (Conference Room A): Oh, it's the YIMBYs that are supporting that one. Got it. I'm reading that. I'm reading it backwards. Okay. 227 00:24:59.840 --> 00:25:02.249 Speaker 1 (Conference Room A): Thank you. Alright, this makes sense. 228 00:25:03.440 --> 00:25:04.100 Speaker 1 (Conference Room A): Jeremy. 229 00:25:04.100 --> 00:25:04.460 Jason Gonsalves: Homo. 230 00:25:04.460 --> 00:25:11.480 Speaker 1 (Conference Room A): Public comment? Yeah, let's go to public comment, thank you. Okay, perfect. We have one remote speaker, Jennifer Griffin. 231 00:25:12.170 --> 00:25:14.970 Speaker 1 (Conference Room A): One moment while I share my screen. 232 00:25:21.750 --> 00:25:23.870 Conference Room A: Okay. Welcome, Jennifer. 233 00:25:24.570 --> 00:25:25.590 Conference Room A: Hi, Jennifer! 234 00:25:26.280 --> 00:25:42.549 Jennifer Griffin: Hi, I have a really bad cold, and I had an upholsterer person here, so I, I appreciate you all having this, and it's been extremely helpful to see the list of the bills, and hello to the Gonzalezes again. 235 00:25:42.550 --> 00:25:48.049 Jennifer Griffin: I don't… I apologize, but I don't know if you all discussed 236 00:25:48.160 --> 00:25:58.429 Jennifer Griffin: I think it's AB1751, it might be. It's Cork Silva, and I think it's called the Missing Middle Townhouse. 237 00:25:58.880 --> 00:26:02.759 Jennifer Griffin: I'm sorry, it's, Sharon Corks Silva, it's AB. 238 00:26:02.910 --> 00:26:16.899 Jennifer Griffin: 1751, and I apologize if it was on your list or not, but this one's called the Missing Middle Town Home Own Ownership Act, and it's… I've really been concerned about this one since it has come out of the gate. 239 00:26:17.020 --> 00:26:27.750 Jennifer Griffin: And, I really… I… the part about making the townhouses would be, what is that where you just have them approved with ministerial? 240 00:26:27.890 --> 00:26:30.219 Jennifer Griffin: I am no CEQA. 241 00:26:30.250 --> 00:26:45.879 Jennifer Griffin: And I'm really, really concerned that we're going down a road that we don't want to. We have fire danger. We just can't ignore CEQA. There's too much potential danger and damage. 242 00:26:45.880 --> 00:26:51.609 Jennifer Griffin: And I think that this is sort of… I believe that, Buffy Wicks is the other… 243 00:26:51.620 --> 00:27:06.440 Jennifer Griffin: person, I think, was the co-sponsor, and Ms. Quirksova is from Southern California. I just think that this bill, if it was not on one that you all were discussing, it really should be on the list, because I think this one is a no-go. 244 00:27:06.440 --> 00:27:11.020 Jennifer Griffin: We don't want to go down the road where we're completely 245 00:27:11.020 --> 00:27:29.240 Jennifer Griffin: throwing our hands up and saying, oh, it's… the state says we don't have to worry about CEQA. Well, we know that that's a no- brainer. You have to worry about CEQA. You have to worry about fire. You have to worry about environmental damage. You have to worry about earthquakes. So, I really hope 246 00:27:29.540 --> 00:27:34.559 Jennifer Griffin: If you, have not discussed it, that it's put on the list. 247 00:27:34.660 --> 00:27:54.510 Jennifer Griffin: And that it, is something that you all are aware of. I'm… I'm a bit concerned because Mr. Ahrens evidently, had, has a bill that's about splitting a lot. I don't know if you discussed that or not. I don't know if it's good or bad, but I am really concerned about any 248 00:27:54.760 --> 00:28:08.940 Jennifer Griffin: any more ways to try to split lots. They're getting small enough as it is. And I appreciate your help, with this. I'm also concerned about any bills that are trying to 249 00:28:09.160 --> 00:28:28.369 Jennifer Griffin: take away CEQA. I'm also… I like Mr, our senator, Mr. I can't remember his name. If he has the bill that's trying to help give cities more time with their housing element. I… I really, I really think that it's important. So thank you so much, I appreciate it. 250 00:28:29.710 --> 00:28:44.860 Speaker 1 (Conference Room A): Thanks, Jennifer. We did talk about 1751, so it is on the list, and I think you're talking about Josh Becker's bill, so I think I'll look that up, and then the Aaron, Patrick Aaron's bill is AB2005, which is the lot-splitting bill. Any comments there, Vice Chair? 251 00:28:46.370 --> 00:28:55.739 Speaker 2 (Conference Room A): So 1751, we already, took a position? Yeah, took a position to oppose, right? We took a position, yup, to oppose. 252 00:28:56.450 --> 00:29:01.060 Speaker 2 (Conference Room A): For the last split one, I don't know what is the… 253 00:29:01.060 --> 00:29:04.269 Speaker 1 (Conference Room A): 2005, I believe. I'm looking it up right here. 254 00:29:06.680 --> 00:29:07.720 Speaker 1 (Conference Room A): Baby. 255 00:29:11.450 --> 00:29:27.940 Speaker 1 (Conference Room A): Housing developments, urban lot split, owner occupancy. This bill changes urban lot split rules by giving applicants two owner occupancy options, adding notice and recording requirements for one option, and limiting local agencies from imposing extra conditions on urban lot split prospects. So… 256 00:29:28.410 --> 00:29:41.740 Speaker 1 (Conference Room A): And you have… you would let an applicant either promise to live in one unit for at least 3 years, or agree to sell both parcels within a 3-year occupancy requirement for the buyer, while also allowing certain LLCs or trusts to qualify, creating civil penalties for some violations. 257 00:29:43.590 --> 00:29:44.640 Speaker 1 (Conference Room A): The short of it. 258 00:29:56.340 --> 00:30:04.260 Speaker 2 (Conference Room A): Change, does that mean they… The city will then be required to allow lot split on any lot. 259 00:30:06.250 --> 00:30:09.570 Speaker 1 (Conference Room A): Trying to look at the restrictions here. So, let's pull up the bill. 260 00:30:10.170 --> 00:30:12.940 Jason Gonsalves: Yeah, it's basically what they're seeking to do is 261 00:30:13.370 --> 00:30:23.150 Jason Gonsalves: I'll call it provide flexibility or dilute the owner occupancy requirements of SB9, so… and they're using estate planning, so if you're 262 00:30:23.510 --> 00:30:31.399 Jason Gonsalves: If the property is owned through a family trust or something along those lines, you can have some additional flexibility to meet the homeownership 263 00:30:31.630 --> 00:30:34.760 Jason Gonsalves: Residency requirements. 264 00:30:44.140 --> 00:30:52.190 Jason Gonsalves: So if you're one of the trustees to a living trust or LLC, you would qualify as a… Owner-occupant. 265 00:30:52.640 --> 00:30:57.509 Speaker 2 (Conference Room A): Oh, because many people do put their home on their living trust. 266 00:30:57.515 --> 00:31:03.344 Speaker 1 (Conference Room A): They're part of the trusts, yes, that's correct. Yeah, I see. But I'm not sure. The question is, do you want more lot splits, and… 267 00:31:03.595 --> 00:31:05.564 Speaker 1 (Conference Room A): I think that's the broader question on that. 268 00:31:08.100 --> 00:31:10.849 Speaker 2 (Conference Room A): this object. But I think, 269 00:31:11.610 --> 00:31:15.939 Speaker 2 (Conference Room A): If the lots are large enough on… 270 00:31:16.140 --> 00:31:29.490 Speaker 2 (Conference Room A): I think we already have rules to allow lots split, and we… I do support lot split when you have large enough lots, but if you have lots that are already very small. 271 00:31:29.610 --> 00:31:33.480 Speaker 2 (Conference Room A): So my question is, does that force us to… 272 00:31:33.640 --> 00:31:44.679 Speaker 2 (Conference Room A): Applied everywhere, or does the city still can set, here's our standard for minimum lot size to allow lot split? 273 00:31:47.080 --> 00:31:52.750 Speaker 1 (Conference Room A): And Jason, I believe there are objective standards that are built to that bill. I think there are objective standards that are built to the bill, but can we verify that? 274 00:31:52.990 --> 00:31:53.490 Speaker 1 (Conference Room A): Yes. 275 00:31:53.490 --> 00:32:03.629 Jason Gonsalves: There are, and a lot of those standards really are in current law under SB9, you know, the minimum setbacks and number of units and so forth for urban splits. 276 00:32:04.570 --> 00:32:10.069 Speaker 2 (Conference Room A): So, it's a current… so it's trying to really clarify as benign, right? 277 00:32:10.070 --> 00:32:16.720 Jason Gonsalves: Exactly, and it's the… particularly the owner occupancy requirements of SB9 to allow 278 00:32:17.250 --> 00:32:24.220 Jason Gonsalves: owner occupancy to be qualified LLC participants, trustees, and so forth. 279 00:32:25.400 --> 00:32:33.880 Speaker 2 (Conference Room A): Yeah, if that's… that, I… I think it… it… I think it's okay, yeah. 280 00:32:40.440 --> 00:32:41.800 Speaker 2 (Conference Room A): Some of it. 281 00:32:52.600 --> 00:32:56.179 Speaker 2 (Conference Room A): Anything else that pits, anything else you would like, 282 00:32:56.830 --> 00:33:01.300 Speaker 2 (Conference Room A): It can be a summary of a specific area. 283 00:33:02.450 --> 00:33:14.069 Speaker 1 (Conference Room A): I think right now, I mean, the current things, there's anything, as the Vice Chair was saying, anything that's related to a wildfire risk, and around wildfires and fire safety and evacuation is probably top of mind. 284 00:33:14.075 --> 00:33:16.584 Speaker 2 (Conference Room A): The summary, maybe, on those bills. 285 00:33:16.590 --> 00:33:33.960 Speaker 1 (Conference Room A): to get a summary of those bills. I think that's… that's… I always get a broad list here, that's probably item number one. Item number two is anything that's related to housing, elements, the housing bills, and I think there's element number three, which is related to insurance and access to insurance, because those two are coming together. 286 00:33:34.040 --> 00:33:48.220 Speaker 1 (Conference Room A): And the fourth one is anything that's related to any kind of environmental areas. I think there's interest around things around PFAS, things around waste and mitigation, any kind of rules like that. 287 00:33:48.320 --> 00:33:52.229 Speaker 1 (Conference Room A): Anything else you would add? E-bikes. And e-bikes, and e-bikes, and e-bikes. 288 00:33:52.370 --> 00:33:54.429 Jason Gonsalves: I do have e-bikes as well. Absolutely. 289 00:33:55.500 --> 00:34:01.580 Speaker 2 (Conference Room A): So one comment regarding the bill list for… in Attachment B. 290 00:34:01.890 --> 00:34:07.190 Speaker 2 (Conference Room A): I see you're separating the legal ones and the MB ones. 291 00:34:07.370 --> 00:34:15.550 Speaker 2 (Conference Room A): And it's hard to know when you read the document, position support is from which organization. 292 00:34:17.120 --> 00:34:26.740 Speaker 2 (Conference Room A): So, it would be nice if position support is league position support, or NBA position support, that way it's… 293 00:34:27.030 --> 00:34:30.460 Speaker 2 (Conference Room A): easier to understand. It's not a city position, support. 294 00:34:30.465 --> 00:34:34.225 Speaker 1 (Conference Room A): No, I was looking at that and realized that he does have its… It's a group. 295 00:34:34.225 --> 00:34:38.815 Speaker 2 (Conference Room A): But you need to really scroll up and down to find out which group. 296 00:34:38.815 --> 00:34:46.215 Speaker 1 (Conference Room A): league here. Yeah. And then, yeah, I was… at first, I was like, why are we supporting X? Yeah. And I realized what it was. So, yes. 297 00:34:46.215 --> 00:34:56.344 Speaker 2 (Conference Room A): public will have similar confusion, so it'd be nice if, attachment B, when it says position, specify league position. 298 00:34:59.490 --> 00:35:00.180 Jason Gonsalves: Got it. 299 00:35:00.700 --> 00:35:05.200 Jason Gonsalves: Well, we may want to do it… I see how it says League, but underneath, we'll put 300 00:35:05.840 --> 00:35:08.469 Jason Gonsalves: Cal City's support or watch. 301 00:35:09.440 --> 00:35:10.050 Jason Gonsalves: Going forward. 302 00:35:10.050 --> 00:35:12.329 Speaker 2 (Conference Room A): What I mean is, for each bill. 303 00:35:12.330 --> 00:35:12.880 Jason Gonsalves: Yes. 304 00:35:12.880 --> 00:35:21.290 Speaker 2 (Conference Room A): Because the league is all the way up there, it's hard, when you look at the bill, to know what is the position, whose position is it? 305 00:35:21.990 --> 00:35:22.980 Jason Gonsalves: Understood. 306 00:35:22.980 --> 00:35:23.540 Speaker 1 (Conference Room A): Yeah. 307 00:35:23.890 --> 00:35:30.509 Speaker 1 (Conference Room A): I mean, for all intents and purposes, put a page break on page 20, and just say, these are the bills from the league, and these are the bills from EMB. 308 00:35:30.830 --> 00:35:33.880 Jason Gonsalves: I was gonna say, we could even break them out into two separate reports. 309 00:35:34.090 --> 00:35:36.790 Speaker 1 (Conference Room A): That would save you some time. You'd probably see it. 310 00:35:36.795 --> 00:35:40.985 Speaker 2 (Conference Room A): It's okay to always run the reports, just position needs to be clear which… 311 00:35:41.095 --> 00:35:44.545 Speaker 2 (Conference Room A): position. It's not the city position, yeah. 312 00:35:44.820 --> 00:35:45.350 Jason Gonsalves: Yep. 313 00:35:45.910 --> 00:36:01.480 Speaker 1 (Conference Room A): I'm trying to figure out… there's one about open spaces that came about with, grass and watering, that one that we were… I don't know if we're tracking that one. It's… I'm trying to think about which one it is, I'm gonna take a look, hunt for it, but it's about a non-functional turf. Oh, yeah, I remember that. 314 00:36:01.480 --> 00:36:03.740 Speaker 2 (Conference Room A): I thought that one already passed, 315 00:36:04.140 --> 00:36:23.539 Speaker 2 (Conference Room A): Did it pass? I thought last year there was a bill, non-inactive or non-functional turf in… owned by the city or in HOA have to be converted to drought-tolerant plants. I thought that one already passed. 316 00:36:23.630 --> 00:36:24.880 Speaker 2 (Conference Room A): I'm not sure where we are. 317 00:36:25.640 --> 00:36:26.440 Conference Room A: Why? 318 00:36:28.760 --> 00:36:34.659 Jason Gonsalves: There was legislation on Drought resistance and… and turf. 319 00:36:34.810 --> 00:36:38.789 Jason Gonsalves: There's been several bills in that space. I'm not certain which one. 320 00:36:39.110 --> 00:36:47.209 Speaker 1 (Conference Room A): AB1572, HOAs with over 5,000 square feet of turf, effective January 1st, 2029. 321 00:36:47.410 --> 00:36:56.319 Speaker 1 (Conference Room A): And we… it's already passed, but there may be some types of exceptions, and we're hoping to figure out if there's any exceptions for fire hazards. 322 00:36:56.610 --> 00:37:06.739 Speaker 1 (Conference Room A): So, sometimes it seems like it's non- functional turf, but it's providing a barrier as part of a hardening exercise. There should be some kind of… we don't know who to talk to advocate for 323 00:37:06.920 --> 00:37:09.449 Speaker 1 (Conference Room A): That level of an exception to that. 324 00:37:10.100 --> 00:37:17.409 Speaker 1 (Conference Room A): So, for example, if that's providing a fire buffer, it's really not non-functional turf, it actually serves a safety, health and safety function. 325 00:37:17.580 --> 00:37:22.120 Speaker 1 (Conference Room A): Councilmember, did you say AB1572? I believe so, it's AB1572. 326 00:37:22.770 --> 00:37:24.330 Jason Gonsalves: Yeah, from 2023. 327 00:37:27.860 --> 00:37:31.620 Speaker 1 (Conference Room A): It's starting to hit the HOAs in our area, especially the ones on the hillside. 328 00:37:34.620 --> 00:37:41.570 Speaker 1 (Conference Room A): Excuse SB6762, I don't know what that is. 329 00:37:41.980 --> 00:37:44.740 Speaker 1 (Conference Room A): Which one? SB? 66? 330 00:37:50.340 --> 00:37:54.199 Speaker 1 (Conference Room A): This is amending local government authority on residential funding. 331 00:37:56.730 --> 00:38:07.460 Speaker 2 (Conference Room A): Yeah, so 1532, I think it includes the city government, so any city-owned parks or any area. I was looking at the memorial Park. 332 00:38:07.520 --> 00:38:17.069 Speaker 2 (Conference Room A): the lawn that's next to the tennis court, right? It's a really nice area, it's not really active, but if we have to convert all that to 333 00:38:17.150 --> 00:38:30.400 Speaker 2 (Conference Room A): drought-tolerant. Yeah. It will… Compliance timeline for state on the AB1572 is January 2027. That would be a lot of cost. That's one thing. Another thing is, 334 00:38:32.310 --> 00:38:33.250 Speaker 2 (Conference Room A): Yeah. 335 00:38:33.580 --> 00:38:38.189 Speaker 2 (Conference Room A): The city has a lot of area we really need to take care of. 336 00:38:38.850 --> 00:38:52.019 Speaker 1 (Conference Room A): Yeah, and 676 basically says… first, we're like, hey, everyone put synthetic turf. This one says, hey, you can kind of talk about what type of synthetic turf goes on for public health… for safety, reasons that's there. That's what's driving that. 337 00:38:54.010 --> 00:38:55.719 Conference Room A: That's… that's… yeah. 338 00:38:58.480 --> 00:39:06.610 Speaker 2 (Conference Room A): I don't know, any other comments? So, for this one, that was passed in 2023. There has been no effort to try… 339 00:39:06.770 --> 00:39:12.920 Speaker 2 (Conference Room A): revise or modify it a little? You are not aware of? 340 00:39:13.350 --> 00:39:16.570 Jason Gonsalves: not that I'm aware of, but I can do some additional 341 00:39:16.700 --> 00:39:29.210 Jason Gonsalves: Digging, and it's something, particularly if there's a fire safety element to it, we should be communicating with your legislators and or looking at amending the statute to provide, you know, emergency management considerations. 342 00:39:29.810 --> 00:39:33.230 Speaker 2 (Conference Room A): So maybe that's something you can bring up at the meeting. 343 00:39:33.235 --> 00:39:45.115 Speaker 1 (Conference Room A): Yeah, love to add that for item, Agenda 4, when we talk about Agenda 4. When we talk about Agenda 4, which is the upcoming legislative visit, let's add that to that. Reminder to come back to that conversation point. 344 00:39:45.565 --> 00:39:50.145 Speaker 1 (Conference Room A): So… Okay, so… Anything else on your end? No. Okay. 345 00:39:51.235 --> 00:39:55.705 Speaker 1 (Conference Room A): All right, thank you for, providing that list. 346 00:39:56.055 --> 00:39:58.464 Speaker 1 (Conference Room A): No objections, let's move into item number 3. 347 00:39:58.745 --> 00:40:15.534 Speaker 1 (Conference Room A): This is, considered adoption of a position, Assembly Bill 1821, Pacheco, CPRA, agency response times, adopt a support position, AB1821, authorize the mayor to send letters to the state legislature. Let's take a look at the summary report. So… 348 00:40:15.955 --> 00:40:16.625 Speaker 1 (Conference Room A): Huh. 349 00:40:16.865 --> 00:40:20.024 Speaker 1 (Conference Room A): Jason, would you like to do a summary of your summary report? 350 00:40:21.860 --> 00:40:24.979 Jason Gonsalves: I'm pulling it up, but this bill has 351 00:40:25.850 --> 00:40:29.239 Jason Gonsalves: been… it has support, as noted in the… in the… 352 00:40:29.930 --> 00:40:38.060 Jason Gonsalves: memo, attached, has support from local agencies throughout the state. Cal Cities is the sponsor of the bill. 353 00:40:38.280 --> 00:40:43.130 Jason Gonsalves: It's seeking to provide additional 354 00:40:43.710 --> 00:40:51.470 Jason Gonsalves: I guess, safeguards and flexibility for local agencies as it pertains to 355 00:40:52.470 --> 00:41:00.390 Jason Gonsalves: Public Records Act requests and response times. So, it's seeking to extend from 10 days to 14 days. 356 00:41:00.570 --> 00:41:04.660 Jason Gonsalves: under… specified circumstances. 357 00:41:05.360 --> 00:41:14.959 Speaker 1 (Conference Room A): Yeah, from my understanding, it was about gaming the system to actually, if you did it on a holiday versus on a business day, just to make sure that was equivalent to business days versus the holiday calendar. 358 00:41:14.960 --> 00:41:19.290 Speaker 2 (Conference Room A): I think it makes sense to count to business days. 359 00:41:20.320 --> 00:41:21.800 Speaker 2 (Conference Room A): Chang Hye-dong… 360 00:41:22.710 --> 00:41:30.759 Speaker 1 (Conference Room A): Yeah. Do we need to vote? Do we need to vote on that matter if we're making the recommendation to support that? Yeah, sure. Want to make sure. 361 00:41:31.415 --> 00:41:35.915 Speaker 2 (Conference Room A): So I move to support the bill. Oh, sorry, before we go into a motion… Public comment. 362 00:41:35.915 --> 00:41:48.384 Speaker 1 (Conference Room A): I just wanted to ask the question at this point, right? And then public comment, let's see if there's any public comment up there. Thank you. We have no speakers here. Okay, sounds good. No public comment. Would you like to entertain your motion? 363 00:41:48.595 --> 00:41:49.695 Speaker 1 (Conference Room A): Yeah, motion 2. 364 00:41:49.695 --> 00:41:51.075 Speaker 2 (Conference Room A): will approve? 365 00:41:51.080 --> 00:41:53.070 Speaker 1 (Conference Room A): Okay, I second. Any comment? 366 00:41:54.410 --> 00:41:57.460 Speaker 1 (Conference Room A): No comment, okay? Roll call vote, please. 367 00:41:58.240 --> 00:42:00.600 Speaker 1 (Conference Room A): Vice Chair Chow? Aye. 368 00:42:00.605 --> 00:42:02.944 Speaker 2 (Conference Room A): Aye. Looks you carries unanimously. 369 00:42:04.405 --> 00:42:05.275 Speaker 2 (Conference Room A): Okay? 370 00:42:05.810 --> 00:42:15.629 Speaker 1 (Conference Room A): With that, let's move to item number 4, discuss upcoming legislative visit to Sacramento on June 9th, and see what the legislative day looks like. Turn it back to you, Jason and Paul. 371 00:42:17.440 --> 00:42:28.630 Jason Gonsalves: Well, thank you. We're looking forward to June 9th. Obviously, this part doesn't involve us, but I did see a kind of a kickoff time of 7.30 a.m. per Asteroid's 372 00:42:28.630 --> 00:42:40.079 Jason Gonsalves: coordination, meeting at City Hall, heading to Sacramento. Our first meeting thus far is scheduled for 11.15, and I'll send a follow-up with this itinerary. 373 00:42:40.380 --> 00:42:55.200 Jason Gonsalves: So, Assemblymember Lori Wilson at 1115, it'll be 15 to 20 minutes, but she's the Chair of Assembly Transportation Committee, has, legislation in the e-bike space and transit-oriented development. 374 00:42:55.570 --> 00:42:59.590 Jason Gonsalves: From there, we have an 1145 with Assemblymember Patrick Ahrens. 375 00:42:59.830 --> 00:43:06.740 Jason Gonsalves: 12 o'clock to 1 o'clock lunch, and then we've scheduled 1.15 for 376 00:43:07.010 --> 00:43:09.760 Jason Gonsalves: Chris Hill, who is kind of the… 377 00:43:09.880 --> 00:43:22.140 Jason Gonsalves: I've known him for so long, and his official title, he may be Deputy Director of Finance, but he does all things local government within the Department of Finance. He's been around going back to the early ERAF shifts of the 90s. 378 00:43:22.250 --> 00:43:35.130 Jason Gonsalves: And the thought was to discuss, you know, the sheriff's contracts, the city's uniqueness as a known low property tax city, you know, sales tax revenues, and so forth. 379 00:43:35.410 --> 00:43:41.200 Jason Gonsalves: And then at 2 o'clock with Senator Josh Becker, And then, 380 00:43:41.980 --> 00:43:52.000 Jason Gonsalves: planning for heading back, or wrapping up the day around the 3 p.m. hour, the only caveat we have, and whether that's just before the 11, 381 00:43:52.210 --> 00:43:56.029 Jason Gonsalves: 15 meeting, or sometime in the middle, 382 00:43:56.200 --> 00:44:04.489 Jason Gonsalves: getting a meeting with HCD, because I know we wanted to have a sit-down and discuss issues, and that meeting's in the works, so… 383 00:44:04.720 --> 00:44:06.169 Jason Gonsalves: Should be a full day. 384 00:44:06.610 --> 00:44:07.470 Jason Gonsalves: from a… 385 00:44:07.760 --> 00:44:14.469 Jason Gonsalves: I'd call it 10.30, 11 a.m. till 3 p.m. is kind of the window we're looking for, or looking to fill up. 386 00:44:15.560 --> 00:44:17.880 Speaker 1 (Conference Room A): Makes sense. Are there any other… 387 00:44:17.900 --> 00:44:36.449 Speaker 1 (Conference Room A): adjacent, senators or assembly persons that we should be talking to as well while we're here. Not in our district, but adjacent enough that support our positions, or any in Orange County that we should, orange County, SoCal, San Diego area that we should, seek support from as well. 388 00:44:37.150 --> 00:44:53.659 Jason Gonsalves: The key one, really, that we've identified, although we're open to suggestions, was Lori Wilson, given she's in Solano County, and she's Chair of the Transportation Committee. On the Senate side, we could look at some of the other members, but 389 00:44:53.820 --> 00:44:56.599 Jason Gonsalves: Senator Becker really is probably the… 390 00:44:58.080 --> 00:45:04.620 Jason Gonsalves: part and parcel for city's priorities as your senator as well, but someone like Dave Cortese could also be helpful. 391 00:45:05.060 --> 00:45:06.480 Conference Room A: Okay, sounds good. 392 00:45:07.470 --> 00:45:13.569 Speaker 1 (Conference Room A): we don't necessarily need to go up there to meet them. I mean, since they're in our area, we can definitely meet them here while we're at it as well, so I just want to make sure. 393 00:45:13.850 --> 00:45:18.370 Jason Gonsalves: Yeah, and with Becker and Aaron's, we do have them scheduled for meetings. 394 00:45:18.520 --> 00:45:34.659 Jason Gonsalves: Kind of the approach being to see you in Sacramento, know it means it's priority enough, you make the trip, but also to not have them here from Lori Wilson, that Cupertino was in meeting with them, and we didn't reach out to your own legislators, so there's kind of a natural deference there as well. 395 00:45:34.900 --> 00:45:40.649 Speaker 1 (Conference Room A): Makes sense, makes sense. So… Any other comments? Anything from you, Vice Chair? 396 00:45:41.265 --> 00:45:43.784 Speaker 3 (Conference Room A): No. Okay, still have any? 397 00:45:43.785 --> 00:45:44.405 Speaker 1 (Conference Room A): Things we should add? 398 00:45:44.835 --> 00:45:49.044 Speaker 3 (Conference Room A): No, I think we have a good agenda for the Sacramento day, so… and thank you. 399 00:45:49.050 --> 00:45:53.139 Speaker 4 (Conference Room A): Jason and Paul, for your help, and I know Astrid's out, but… 400 00:45:54.810 --> 00:46:14.289 Speaker 1 (Conference Room A): I would like to add the wildfire risk piece to the agenda, if possible, so… and I think that's just the piece. So, and I think on the wildfire risk, there are multiple, multiple options, so it's the turf, it's the insurance access, it's the, evacuation routes, and… and, yeah, insurance is… insurance is the big one. 401 00:46:14.390 --> 00:46:18.400 Speaker 1 (Conference Room A): Trying to figure out who's gonna be able to… Solve the insurance crisis. 402 00:46:20.290 --> 00:46:34.749 Speaker 1 (Conference Room A): I was meeting with a, the developer this morning, and it was actually interesting, because he mentioned to me that he couldn't get… he was having a hard time getting fire insurance for his own property, in another adjacent city, so… 403 00:46:35.010 --> 00:46:36.930 Speaker 1 (Conference Room A): And I thought that was quite interesting. 404 00:46:38.760 --> 00:46:39.780 Jason Gonsalves: It's been a… 405 00:46:40.390 --> 00:46:48.170 Jason Gonsalves: Ongoing challenge throughout the state, with very little consistency, if any, as to who loses their policies, who gets 406 00:46:48.400 --> 00:46:53.900 Jason Gonsalves: put on the fair plan, and so forth. I mean, it's a… Nightmare, to say the least. 407 00:46:54.870 --> 00:46:58.890 Speaker 3 (Conference Room A): So… Okay. 408 00:47:01.440 --> 00:47:08.150 Speaker 2 (Conference Room A): Okay, a question. So, regarding our low property tax state. 409 00:47:08.510 --> 00:47:13.870 Speaker 2 (Conference Room A): it's a result of these bills, right? So… 410 00:47:14.110 --> 00:47:19.079 Speaker 2 (Conference Room A): What is a legislative… is it posi… is there a possible… 411 00:47:19.510 --> 00:47:26.899 Speaker 2 (Conference Room A): A possible legislative fix, so we get fair share of our own property tax. 412 00:47:28.650 --> 00:47:44.879 Jason Gonsalves: There's a possibility for a legislative fix, and your city has kind of an interesting or perhaps tortured history on the new and low space. Really, you were a low property tax city as a result of Prop 13, and not having levied a large 413 00:47:45.090 --> 00:47:51.689 Jason Gonsalves: property tax, so after the voters passed Prop 13 and 1978, and this is, 414 00:47:52.080 --> 00:48:07.840 Jason Gonsalves: the legislature bailed out those that caused the problem. So, if you had a high property tax rate, you got a larger share of ABA, the bailout. And those that had a low or no property tax rate were locked in, and consequently, Cupertino was locked in 415 00:48:08.130 --> 00:48:20.950 Jason Gonsalves: at a very low rate, you may have even been a no property tax city at that time. And then in the late 90s, when they did the no and low property tax legislation to allow all no and lows to go to 7 cents. 416 00:48:21.390 --> 00:48:25.380 Jason Gonsalves: then Senator John Vasconcelos capped 417 00:48:25.590 --> 00:48:33.169 Jason Gonsalves: Santa Clara County's cities at 4%, and said he didn't want his rich cities to get 7 cents. 418 00:48:33.400 --> 00:48:41.749 Jason Gonsalves: misinformed at best, you know, God bless John, but, you can have wealthy residents, it doesn't mean the city's wealthy. And, 419 00:48:42.690 --> 00:48:44.060 Jason Gonsalves: And so… 420 00:48:44.420 --> 00:48:55.150 Jason Gonsalves: Later, fast forward, probably, this is really to your question, Madam Vice Mayor, is the legislature then came back with legislation by then-Assemblymember Rebecca Cohen. 421 00:48:55.290 --> 00:48:59.779 Jason Gonsalves: And it was a negotiated agreement between the county and the four 422 00:48:59.910 --> 00:49:15.900 Jason Gonsalves: knowing Lowe's in Santa Clara County to allow you guys to grow from 4% to 7%, which is where you're at now. And, again, it was negotiated, it's post-Prop 1-8. It happened around, I want to say, 05, 06. 423 00:49:16.040 --> 00:49:25.420 Jason Gonsalves: But it takes a two-thirds vote of the legislature, so the Rebecca Combe bill received two-thirds vote and allowed you to go to 7%. 424 00:49:26.670 --> 00:49:27.569 Jason Gonsalves: I think… 425 00:49:28.260 --> 00:49:46.409 Jason Gonsalves: based on conversations the mayor's had, I would think, you know, with the sheriff's contract and the limited amount of property tax the city receives, it's all kind of part and parcel to the discussion and your ability to provide housing and public safety services. 426 00:49:46.550 --> 00:49:49.659 Jason Gonsalves: You know, you're getting… 7 cents on the dollar. 427 00:49:50.020 --> 00:49:57.840 Jason Gonsalves: Even though the homes are perhaps higher-end, 93 cents is… going somewhere else. Schools. 428 00:49:58.180 --> 00:50:00.730 Jason Gonsalves: Local taxing entities, the county, etc. 429 00:50:01.360 --> 00:50:20.629 Speaker 2 (Conference Room A): Yeah, the thing is, the cost of living is high, that also means the cost of running a city government is very high, too, because we need to pay salaries for our employees, and everything that you need to do park maintenance, everything is much… cost is higher. 430 00:50:21.250 --> 00:50:27.640 Speaker 2 (Conference Room A): And so… Did you write a memo about this history? 431 00:50:29.150 --> 00:50:29.590 Jason Gonsalves: Oh. 432 00:50:29.590 --> 00:50:30.000 Speaker 2 (Conference Room A): on the nose. 433 00:50:30.000 --> 00:50:30.950 Jason Gonsalves: Lowe's? 434 00:50:31.400 --> 00:50:35.380 Jason Gonsalves: There is a… there's a good memo on it. I… 435 00:50:35.650 --> 00:50:37.850 Jason Gonsalves: Did not write it, but, 436 00:50:38.030 --> 00:50:43.640 Jason Gonsalves: Rethinking AB8, as the title the Legislative Analyst did, Quite some time ago. 437 00:50:43.910 --> 00:50:46.250 Conference Room A: Rethinking AB8. 438 00:50:46.250 --> 00:50:47.900 Jason Gonsalves: I will dig it up in… 439 00:50:48.500 --> 00:50:50.319 Jason Gonsalves: And add it to our follow-up. 440 00:50:51.920 --> 00:50:55.140 Speaker 2 (Conference Room A): I wonder if we can get a summary of… 441 00:50:55.850 --> 00:51:14.789 Speaker 2 (Conference Room A): the history of why we are the low poverty tax cities, and then I think at least we need to have a doc… an article that we are able to publish so that the Board of Supervisors, this is well known. We are 442 00:51:14.930 --> 00:51:20.580 Speaker 2 (Conference Room A): getting much lower property tax than all the other cities. 443 00:51:20.585 --> 00:51:26.394 Speaker 1 (Conference Room A): on screen, I think I tracked down one. Here we go. This might help. 444 00:51:26.685 --> 00:51:31.044 Speaker 1 (Conference Room A): I don't know where this came from, I'm trying to track this down. Who's Carol Atwood? I think she was… 445 00:51:31.045 --> 00:51:35.765 Speaker 3 (Conference Room A): Yeah, so this is the… 446 00:51:35.765 --> 00:51:36.305 Speaker 2 (Conference Room A): excuse. 447 00:51:36.310 --> 00:51:37.090 Speaker 3 (Conference Room A): Oh, shit. 448 00:51:37.090 --> 00:51:39.669 Speaker 1 (Conference Room A): So, this… this was something that was put out in 20… 449 00:51:40.560 --> 00:51:43.399 Speaker 1 (Conference Room A): 10. So, this might be something useful. 450 00:51:43.400 --> 00:51:46.729 Jason Gonsalves: That's the… you know what, that's very good memo right there. 451 00:51:46.890 --> 00:51:52.609 Jason Gonsalves: summarizes what I was pointing to, but I think I saw AB117 towards the bottom, it's not on screen. 452 00:51:52.610 --> 00:51:53.450 Speaker 2 (Conference Room A): Kinda. 453 00:51:54.970 --> 00:51:57.989 Jason Gonsalves: Yep, there's the Santa Clara County 454 00:51:58.260 --> 00:52:05.300 Jason Gonsalves: legislation. AB117 was Assemblymember Cohn's… Rebecca Cohn's bill to bring you up to 7%. 455 00:52:05.690 --> 00:52:06.950 Conference Room A: That's the ERAF, yep. 456 00:52:08.340 --> 00:52:09.090 Speaker 3 (Conference Room A): So… 457 00:52:12.340 --> 00:52:18.049 Jason Gonsalves: Well, and they're mentioning ERAF because of the ERAF shifts in the early, late 90s. 458 00:52:18.160 --> 00:52:23.469 Jason Gonsalves: they shifted… Property tax back to schools. 459 00:52:24.420 --> 00:52:39.269 Jason Gonsalves: during the budget deficit, and the second year of the ERAF shifts, the no and lows were exempted, the no property taxes were exempted, and then the low property tax cities only received a portion of what they were receiving, which was a fraction. 460 00:52:39.760 --> 00:52:44.870 Jason Gonsalves: Because of the inequities of AB8 and post-Prop 13. 461 00:52:45.840 --> 00:52:51.630 Speaker 1 (Conference Room A): So I placed this into the Zoom so that we can put it into the record, so it's gonna pull back, so… Sorry everyone has that. 462 00:52:54.270 --> 00:52:57.510 Jason Gonsalves: But I do think, you know, as part of the discussion. 463 00:52:57.510 --> 00:52:58.889 Speaker 3 (Conference Room A): gonna update it, man. 464 00:52:59.270 --> 00:52:59.840 Speaker 3 (Conference Room A): Absolutely. 465 00:52:59.840 --> 00:53:10.849 Jason Gonsalves: local level, with contracting and all the other, factors, not the least of which is disillusion of redevelopment, there's new property taxes flowing through 466 00:53:11.110 --> 00:53:16.470 Jason Gonsalves: The waterfall, as we call it, what used to be property tax increment from redevelopment agencies. 467 00:53:16.610 --> 00:53:20.750 Jason Gonsalves: Santa Clara County had the largest agency in the state, in San Jose. 468 00:53:20.750 --> 00:53:21.240 Speaker 3 (Conference Room A): Anyone? 469 00:53:21.240 --> 00:53:30.339 Jason Gonsalves: And, that's new money that the county's getting, and you're getting 7% share when it flows back to the other taxing entities. So… 470 00:53:31.170 --> 00:53:32.120 Jason Gonsalves: Good. 471 00:53:32.500 --> 00:53:40.699 Jason Gonsalves: If I were pretending to be a local elected for 5 minutes, I would put that pot of funding on the table to say, why are we looking at X percent of 472 00:53:41.200 --> 00:53:48.800 Jason Gonsalves: Contracting cost increase when you're getting all this new property tax that used to go to redevelopment agencies? 473 00:53:50.400 --> 00:53:52.610 Speaker 1 (Conference Room A): We're not getting that cut, is what you're saying, so… 474 00:53:52.820 --> 00:53:55.829 Jason Gonsalves: You're getting your 7 cents, and the rest is going. 475 00:53:55.830 --> 00:53:56.780 Speaker 2 (Conference Room A): sentence. 476 00:53:57.250 --> 00:53:58.069 Jason Gonsalves: the others. 477 00:53:58.070 --> 00:54:01.099 Speaker 2 (Conference Room A): So what is this new source of property tax? 478 00:54:01.900 --> 00:54:06.580 Jason Gonsalves: Well… It's quasi-new. So, what happened when… 479 00:54:06.710 --> 00:54:12.550 Jason Gonsalves: the legislature and ultimately the Supreme Court eliminated redevelopment agencies in 2011. 480 00:54:13.460 --> 00:54:16.430 Jason Gonsalves: Former redevelopment agencies had what we called 481 00:54:16.580 --> 00:54:22.530 Jason Gonsalves: enforceable obligations. So if you had bonded indebtedness, you had commitments 482 00:54:22.920 --> 00:54:26.700 Jason Gonsalves: You were able to pay those bonds off, and then… 483 00:54:27.060 --> 00:54:30.050 Jason Gonsalves: Once those bonds got paid off, get paid off. 484 00:54:30.160 --> 00:54:36.400 Jason Gonsalves: The tax increment that's going towards debt service, which is hundreds of billions of dollars throughout the state. 485 00:54:36.880 --> 00:54:42.609 Jason Gonsalves: then flows through what we call the waterfall. The legislature calls it the waterfall. That's the property tax 486 00:54:43.100 --> 00:54:57.419 Jason Gonsalves: taxes, the new money, if you will. So, let's just say you have $100 million in bonded indebtedness, it gets paid off in 2030, all that debt service that was paying that $100 million bond is now going to the taxing entities. 487 00:54:57.750 --> 00:55:03.699 Jason Gonsalves: The point being is, Cupertino Unlike all the other taxing entities, or… 488 00:55:03.850 --> 00:55:08.299 Jason Gonsalves: Unlike the majority of them, you're getting 7% of that new… 489 00:55:08.940 --> 00:55:18.750 Jason Gonsalves: waterfall, the increment that used to go to debt service. The county's getting the lion's shares, the school's getting 50% plus or minus. So. 490 00:55:19.080 --> 00:55:32.190 Jason Gonsalves: It's money that used to go to redevelopment agencies that's now flowing to the other taxing entities, and it's flowing on a 1978-1979 AB8 formula that is antiquated and outdated at best. 491 00:55:34.140 --> 00:55:37.290 Jason Gonsalves: Other than that, I don't have an opinion on it. 492 00:55:37.650 --> 00:55:39.540 Speaker 2 (Conference Room A): Okay. 493 00:55:39.540 --> 00:55:42.089 Speaker 3 (Conference Room A): A question. So for… 494 00:55:42.090 --> 00:55:51.789 Speaker 2 (Conference Room A): Comparing, let's say, Cupertino gets 7% of property tax, Mio Pitas gets 15% of their property tax. 495 00:55:52.210 --> 00:56:01.050 Speaker 2 (Conference Room A): Right? Yep. And that means the county gets 7… 8% more of… Our property tax, which… 496 00:56:03.930 --> 00:56:08.660 Speaker 2 (Conference Room A): So where… I mean, where did that 8%… Go. 497 00:56:09.780 --> 00:56:16.439 Jason Gonsalves: Well, it's all based on… the historic shares going back to 1979 ABA. 498 00:56:16.690 --> 00:56:18.720 Jason Gonsalves: So, AB8 was the bailout. 499 00:56:18.730 --> 00:56:36.499 Jason Gonsalves: So, Cupertino, I would argue, having been responsible and not having levied large property tax rates on your residents at the time, you're a more fiscally responsible, we could say conservative community, and there were 119 throughout the state that had no or very low property tax. 500 00:56:36.500 --> 00:56:40.960 Jason Gonsalves: So when the legislature, after Prop 13, bailed out. 501 00:56:41.490 --> 00:56:44.900 Jason Gonsalves: The local agencies, because it was either that, or… 502 00:56:45.230 --> 00:56:47.150 Jason Gonsalves: They were gonna have, you know. 503 00:56:47.850 --> 00:56:54.480 Jason Gonsalves: and service cuts throughout California because all the property taxes were being reined in. 504 00:56:54.790 --> 00:56:56.589 Jason Gonsalves: The legislature bailed out 505 00:56:56.700 --> 00:57:04.840 Jason Gonsalves: local governments, and because you didn't have a high property tax, you didn't get a high rate. And then they locked everyone in with ABA, so if you… 506 00:57:05.350 --> 00:57:12.929 Jason Gonsalves: Or, more fiscally, conservative, responsible city. Let's just say you levied a 3% tax, that's what you got. 507 00:57:13.190 --> 00:57:15.200 Jason Gonsalves: 3% share. If you. 508 00:57:16.430 --> 00:57:18.530 Jason Gonsalves: We had a 40% share like Oakland. 509 00:57:18.650 --> 00:57:20.570 Jason Gonsalves: You got locked in at 40%. 510 00:57:22.600 --> 00:57:28.659 Speaker 2 (Conference Room A): Okay. No, my question is not why it happens. My question is today. 511 00:57:28.900 --> 00:57:34.680 Speaker 2 (Conference Room A): Let's say property tax for meopitas is, I don't know. 512 00:57:35.040 --> 00:57:46.300 Speaker 2 (Conference Room A): let's say, 10 million, let's 100 million. Let's say Milopitas gets 100 million of property tax, and they got 15 million of that. 513 00:57:46.630 --> 00:57:58.499 Speaker 2 (Conference Room A): And we get only $7 million of that $100 million of property tax from our properties, right? So where did that $8 million go? 514 00:57:59.580 --> 00:58:00.660 Jason Gonsalves: Who gets that? 515 00:58:00.660 --> 00:58:03.500 Speaker 2 (Conference Room A): extra more. Who got more? 516 00:58:04.470 --> 00:58:12.990 Jason Gonsalves: Well, everyone's getting their ABA share, so it's not 8 million versus Milpitas versus Cupertino. It's all part of… 517 00:58:13.120 --> 00:58:22.169 Jason Gonsalves: the tax rate area, and the county auditor controller distributes the property tax based on your proportional share. You could have a 518 00:58:22.400 --> 00:58:29.969 Jason Gonsalves: A fire district in one community and not in the other, and that fire district gets a portion of the property tax within that tax rate area. 519 00:58:30.690 --> 00:58:41.129 Speaker 2 (Conference Room A): No, my question is, for example, if we got the legislative fix to increase our share from 7% to 15%. 520 00:58:41.130 --> 00:58:41.670 Jason Gonsalves: Yep. 521 00:58:42.960 --> 00:58:44.390 Speaker 2 (Conference Room A): Who would get less. 522 00:58:45.360 --> 00:58:48.270 Speaker 2 (Conference Room A): Because those are the people who are getting more today. 523 00:58:49.600 --> 00:58:51.450 Jason Gonsalves: And… Who are they? 524 00:58:51.450 --> 00:58:56.570 Speaker 2 (Conference Room A): I don't know. Is it the state? Is it the county? Is it the fire department? 525 00:58:57.000 --> 00:59:04.089 Jason Gonsalves: Well, it could be all the… it won't be the state and schools, because Prop 98 constitutionally protects the schools. 526 00:59:04.360 --> 00:59:11.689 Jason Gonsalves: So… During AB117, I think the best way, Vice Mayor, to answer the question is. 527 00:59:11.960 --> 00:59:19.280 Jason Gonsalves: When we did the Rebecca Cohn legislation, the money shifted from the county to the no and low property tax cities. 528 00:59:19.710 --> 00:59:32.970 Jason Gonsalves: But you could form, as an example, an enhanced infrastructure financing district, and negotiate a revenue share, and that allows you to negotiate with any of the taxing entities as long as they 529 00:59:33.190 --> 00:59:40.030 Jason Gonsalves: choose to participate at whatever levels are negotiated. So you can do that under current law without 530 00:59:40.220 --> 00:59:49.810 Jason Gonsalves: legislation, but in the Rebecca Cohn AB117 instance, it was an agreement where the no-and-low cities assumed 531 00:59:50.430 --> 00:59:55.519 Jason Gonsalves: additional services, I think, with unincorporated kind of donut hole territories. 532 00:59:55.630 --> 01:00:00.450 Jason Gonsalves: In exchange for a larger share of the property taxes, and it was negotiated with the county. 533 01:00:01.600 --> 01:00:15.080 Speaker 2 (Conference Room A): So the county is getting more of our share, basically, because any change means that we are… we need to take that share from the county. But without any change, that means the county is getting more of… 534 01:00:15.410 --> 01:00:16.200 Speaker 2 (Conference Room A): Which… 535 01:00:16.370 --> 01:00:26.939 Speaker 2 (Conference Room A): And that's the point we need to make, right? They are getting more of our share because we were too fiscally responsible, and now they… 536 01:00:27.690 --> 01:00:34.279 Speaker 2 (Conference Room A): then they… but they are not providing us more service based on our share, so… 537 01:00:34.285 --> 01:00:44.045 Speaker 1 (Conference Room A): We were locked in at 7%, and other cities are getting double the amount. I wouldn't say it's 8%, I'd say it's double the amount, because that's actually what it is. 538 01:00:44.045 --> 01:00:44.805 Speaker 3 (Conference Room A): Depends. 539 01:00:44.805 --> 01:00:47.044 Speaker 2 (Conference Room A): it gets 10%, I think. 540 01:00:47.045 --> 01:00:54.414 Speaker 1 (Conference Room A): Petis get double the amount, which is, like, 15-16%. And regardless of… So, Auckland is 40%? 541 01:00:55.690 --> 01:00:59.910 Jason Gonsalves: Right around 40%. City of Sacramento's around 30%, yeah. 542 01:00:59.910 --> 01:01:05.330 Speaker 1 (Conference Room A): Alameda County, yes. For Alameda County, they had 40%, yes. Wow. 543 01:01:05.440 --> 01:01:11.390 Speaker 1 (Conference Room A): But that's because this is only for the RDA portion, right? This isn't all cost recovery, is it? 544 01:01:11.390 --> 01:01:13.940 Jason Gonsalves: All of the… that's just properties… 545 01:01:13.940 --> 01:01:16.040 Speaker 1 (Conference Room A): Is that all the property tax revenue? 546 01:01:16.040 --> 01:01:18.469 Jason Gonsalves: Free tax revenue through the county. 547 01:01:19.180 --> 01:01:19.790 Conference Room A: Wow. 548 01:01:19.790 --> 01:01:23.079 Jason Gonsalves: Their ABH share is around 40%. 549 01:01:23.400 --> 01:01:25.899 Speaker 1 (Conference Room A): That's some good gardening. That's sweetie! 550 01:01:25.900 --> 01:01:37.490 Speaker 2 (Conference Room A): unequitable between the cities. That is something I think we… even the legislators, they probably don't know, and we need to tell them this is… 551 01:01:38.010 --> 01:01:43.210 Speaker 2 (Conference Room A): We are getting the short end of the stick because we are too fiscally responsible. 552 01:01:43.940 --> 01:01:51.410 Jason Gonsalves: And you're being… and you're locked into a formula that… as a matter of fact, when the governor, Jerry Brown, proposed eliminating redevelopment. 553 01:01:51.870 --> 01:02:08.519 Jason Gonsalves: the legislative analysts put out a report that said simply eliminating redevelopment agencies and returning the property tax revenue based on a system that was devised in the 1970s does not reflect the needs of modern communities. Unfortunately, that's exactly what they did. 554 01:02:08.660 --> 01:02:09.700 Jason Gonsalves: And… 555 01:02:09.980 --> 01:02:22.829 Jason Gonsalves: again, my argument would be, and I think it's one worth sharing with your legislators, but also county executives, and that is, we need a larger share of the property tax, the 7% is disproportionate, it's inequitable. 556 01:02:22.970 --> 01:02:32.509 Jason Gonsalves: And then the county's immediate response is going to be, well, where are we supposed to get the money from? We have our own budget strains, right? And the answer to that, in my mind, is. 557 01:02:32.930 --> 01:02:38.819 Jason Gonsalves: Look at what the redevelopment waterfall is generating every year in new money. 558 01:02:38.990 --> 01:02:44.080 Jason Gonsalves: As debt service throughout the county, and the state gets paid off. 559 01:02:44.370 --> 01:02:46.920 Jason Gonsalves: That waterfall's turning into a tsunami. 560 01:02:47.190 --> 01:02:52.789 Jason Gonsalves: And, and it's only going to grow in the near term, next 15 years, as… 561 01:02:52.940 --> 01:02:54.770 Jason Gonsalves: Those bonds get paid off. 562 01:02:55.190 --> 01:03:02.969 Jason Gonsalves: So there's new money the county's getting each year from former redevelopment property tax increment, and you're getting 7% of it, is the… 563 01:03:04.320 --> 01:03:09.930 Jason Gonsalves: Because otherwise, unless you look at where the money's going to come from, They're gonna say… 564 01:03:10.100 --> 01:03:11.379 Jason Gonsalves: We don't have any money. 565 01:03:11.720 --> 01:03:23.010 Speaker 2 (Conference Room A): Who can change that percentage for this new money from redevelopment agencies? Is that appropriations? Is that also… we need a legislative fix? 566 01:03:23.440 --> 01:03:26.270 Jason Gonsalves: The legislature could change it statutorily. 567 01:03:26.510 --> 01:03:27.969 Jason Gonsalves: Or… 568 01:03:28.160 --> 01:03:46.830 Jason Gonsalves: the city could enter into if the county was a willing participant, and the other taxing entities, for that matter, the city could form an enhanced infrastructure financing district, which has been done throughout the state, and it allows the county to ship the larger share of the property taxes based on 569 01:03:47.650 --> 01:03:48.620 Jason Gonsalves: the… 570 01:03:50.040 --> 01:03:58.410 Jason Gonsalves: priorities of the EIFD, the Infrastructure Financing District. It's basically… it's a redevelopment 2.0, but it allows you to 571 01:03:58.520 --> 01:04:02.940 Jason Gonsalves: To negotiate a larger share of the property tax at the local level. 572 01:04:02.940 --> 01:04:03.990 Speaker 2 (Conference Room A): Can do that? 573 01:04:05.400 --> 01:04:11.479 Speaker 1 (Conference Room A): So let me take a step back. So basically what you're saying is the RPTTF, 574 01:04:11.640 --> 01:04:14.449 Speaker 1 (Conference Room A): Right? The Redevelopment Property Tax Trust Fund. 575 01:04:14.460 --> 01:04:25.700 Speaker 1 (Conference Room A): was used as a mechanism to pay back the $5 billion, to all these loans and guarantees that RDAs were using, and now that it's almost paid off, these people are just getting… 576 01:04:25.700 --> 01:04:35.049 Speaker 1 (Conference Room A): The counties and entities are just getting free cash flow coming into them for no reason, as just a cut from the tax revenue, and we're missing out on it. 577 01:04:35.830 --> 01:04:36.950 Jason Gonsalves: That's exactly right. 578 01:04:37.820 --> 01:04:39.169 Speaker 3 (Conference Room A): That's what I wanted to know. 579 01:04:39.365 --> 01:04:52.114 Speaker 2 (Conference Room A): So we are not missing out, we are just… We're getting a very, very small share of it. …7% because we are still getting the short end of the new money. We get the short end of the current party deck. 580 01:04:52.115 --> 01:04:58.205 Speaker 1 (Conference Room A): How many entities like us would be a… a tax… donor… 581 01:04:58.915 --> 01:05:01.225 Speaker 1 (Conference Room A): Are we a donor, or… Oh, go ahead, sorry. 582 01:05:01.225 --> 01:05:08.605 Speaker 4 (Conference Room A): I was just gonna, I'm just gonna say if I can just add to this conversation. So, I think there's some of this, discussion 583 01:05:09.310 --> 01:05:14.620 Speaker 4 (Conference Room A): That the mayor may have had with, Patrick Ahrens? 584 01:05:14.840 --> 01:05:23.669 Speaker 4 (Conference Room A): Because of the discussion with the sheriff's contract, right? So it sounds like there's the West Valley cities that are the contract cities. 585 01:05:23.800 --> 01:05:28.079 Speaker 4 (Conference Room A): Seem to be at the lowest percentage. 586 01:05:28.080 --> 01:05:28.750 Speaker 3 (Conference Room A): Those are the node levels. 587 01:05:28.750 --> 01:05:29.500 Speaker 1 (Conference Room A): So, yeah. 588 01:05:29.505 --> 01:05:33.564 Speaker 2 (Conference Room A): Once without our own police department, or… 589 01:05:33.695 --> 01:05:43.875 Speaker 2 (Conference Room A): I don't know, but it looks like the ones who don't have police department happen to be the ones with 7% of property tax. 590 01:05:44.475 --> 01:05:50.525 Speaker 2 (Conference Room A): The… Don't know if there's a direct connection, but maybe that's… 591 01:05:50.685 --> 01:05:56.465 Speaker 2 (Conference Room A): It's why we had low property tax, because we didn't have our own police. 592 01:05:57.065 --> 01:06:10.304 Speaker 4 (Conference Room A): I don't know the history, but the questions, if we're talking about in the context of the Sacramento day, and we do have a meeting with Assemblymember Ahrens, I think we can bring this up again on what the process might be. 593 01:06:10.615 --> 01:06:12.435 Speaker 4 (Conference Room A): He's aware of this issue. 594 01:06:13.220 --> 01:06:21.899 Speaker 1 (Conference Room A): Yeah, it'd be great to understand on the legislative side who that is, and then on the executive side, what the agency is that's responsible for that. I believe that's Accessors, right? 595 01:06:21.900 --> 01:06:27.280 Jason Gonsalves: Well, Department of Finance, and that's part of the reason for Chris Hill being one of our meetings. 596 01:06:27.590 --> 01:06:30.239 Speaker 3 (Conference Room A): Okay, got it. So we can bring that up. 597 01:06:30.245 --> 01:06:36.474 Speaker 2 (Conference Room A): I think whether it is likely to get it passed or not. 598 01:06:36.475 --> 01:06:52.575 Speaker 2 (Conference Room A): The fact that we propose it, at least put it on the record that we are getting the short end, then that inform all the legislators that this is an issue. They are unwilling to fix it, fine, but at least they should know. 599 01:06:52.945 --> 01:06:54.075 Speaker 2 (Conference Room A): So… 600 01:06:54.415 --> 01:07:02.245 Speaker 2 (Conference Room A): Even if it's not likely to get two-thirds votes, why don't we still try to propose a legislative fix? 601 01:07:02.605 --> 01:07:13.914 Speaker 2 (Conference Room A): Yeah, that's… They can deny it, but then they have to first understand, and then say, no, we… 602 01:07:15.260 --> 01:07:15.700 Speaker 3 (Conference Room A): Yeah. 603 01:07:15.700 --> 01:07:28.530 Speaker 1 (Conference Room A): I think it'll be interesting to see how many cities are in the same result, like us, that are no low, and ended up with getting a unfair percentage of the distribution, especially from RTTPF. 604 01:07:28.770 --> 01:07:31.689 Speaker 1 (Conference Room A): I think that's an actually interesting… Is there any L-A-O… 605 01:07:31.695 --> 01:07:33.195 Speaker 2 (Conference Room A): report. 606 01:07:33.395 --> 01:07:49.685 Speaker 2 (Conference Room A): that has, this data on, like, Oakland got 40%, or this other city got this number of percent, and this other city gets very low percent. Is there a report on that kind of… 607 01:07:50.580 --> 01:07:59.670 Jason Gonsalves: A breakdown by cities. We have a listing of the known lows, which, back in the late 90s, it was about 119 cities throughout the state. 608 01:08:00.090 --> 01:08:12.180 Speaker 2 (Conference Room A): I would like to know what the other cities are getting, the… what's the average? What… what the other cities with… maybe likely our population is getting. 609 01:08:12.610 --> 01:08:19.490 Jason Gonsalves: I will look and see if there's a breakdown on California cities and the ABH shares throughout California. 610 01:08:20.500 --> 01:08:20.959 Speaker 1 (Conference Room A): That's a… 611 01:08:20.960 --> 01:08:22.699 Jason Gonsalves: That's 482 of them. 612 01:08:22.700 --> 01:08:32.259 Speaker 1 (Conference Room A): That's a tough place, because 119 cities is really about 24% of the total. Doesn't give you enough of a majority to actually push for something, but it's a good place to start. 613 01:08:32.660 --> 01:08:34.880 Jason Gonsalves: Well, what I was going to say is, back… 614 01:08:35.140 --> 01:08:43.299 Jason Gonsalves: during the no and low original legislation, which was a Bill Lockier bill, it was about 119 cities, no and lows. 615 01:08:43.430 --> 01:08:50.380 Jason Gonsalves: But if you fast forward to the 1990s ERAF shifts, After they shifted property tax. 616 01:08:50.500 --> 01:08:53.340 Jason Gonsalves: Taxes from local governments to schools. 617 01:08:53.490 --> 01:09:08.849 Jason Gonsalves: that number probably ballooned to 250, 300. So, for example, City of Fontana is not a no-and-low property tax city, but after ERAF, they now get about 3.4, 3.5% share of the property tax. 618 01:09:08.970 --> 01:09:10.339 Jason Gonsalves: Because they lost it. 619 01:09:11.260 --> 01:09:18.440 Jason Gonsalves: They ended up becoming a no and low as a result of the ERAF shifts. So the… that number has only grown over time. 620 01:09:19.950 --> 01:09:29.539 Speaker 1 (Conference Room A): Wow. That's good news, and bad news, yes. Good news from a lobbying perspective, bad news from a… for the cities and the residents that live there, so… 621 01:09:29.545 --> 01:09:37.064 Speaker 2 (Conference Room A): Another question is our property tax share paid to the county fire department? I heard that, 622 01:09:37.165 --> 01:09:43.445 Speaker 2 (Conference Room A): I think we are… they are getting, like, 14% of property tax. 623 01:09:43.645 --> 01:09:55.624 Speaker 2 (Conference Room A): double of the city's share, and other cities, like Campbell, they are on a contract, so they are able to negotiate what service they even provide. For us. 624 01:09:55.625 --> 01:10:09.134 Speaker 2 (Conference Room A): We hand a double of our property tax to them. We have no say how they spend them. They can spend anywhere that's outside of Cupertino. What is any possibility of 625 01:10:09.275 --> 01:10:10.605 Speaker 2 (Conference Room A): Fixing that. 626 01:10:11.065 --> 01:10:18.215 Speaker 2 (Conference Room A): So we get… Our money's worth, or at least get some of the 14% back. 627 01:10:20.700 --> 01:10:25.960 Speaker 2 (Conference Room A): To move to a contract model, Like, yeah, what? 628 01:10:26.180 --> 01:10:38.000 Jason Gonsalves: I think you could explore, and it may be a nuclear option, dissolving the fire district through LAFCO process, and that probably is not something you'd want to say out loud. 629 01:10:38.360 --> 01:10:48.269 Jason Gonsalves: it could be very difficult, or, again, it becomes a negotiation, much like AB117 was with the county, the fire district, and others. 630 01:10:48.390 --> 01:10:56.229 Jason Gonsalves: And then… but legislatively, the answer is two-thirds vote of the legislature, they can shift all of the property taxes they… 631 01:10:56.460 --> 01:10:58.339 Jason Gonsalves: They want… they can't ship the sales tax. 632 01:10:58.340 --> 01:11:01.390 Speaker 2 (Conference Room A): 10% was determined by the legislator? Tony. 633 01:11:02.360 --> 01:11:02.680 Jason Gonsalves: What is… 634 01:11:02.680 --> 01:11:03.460 Conference Room A: county. 635 01:11:03.690 --> 01:11:22.880 Jason Gonsalves: it was by the county, and it was more likely part of AB8. More likely the district existed and received a share of the property taxes post-Prop 13. There's independent fire districts, and then there's city-dependent fire districts where you manage them. It sounds like this is an independent special district, fire district. 636 01:11:24.200 --> 01:11:27.100 Speaker 2 (Conference Room A): But I heard La Zoltos, or… 637 01:11:27.470 --> 01:11:35.410 Speaker 2 (Conference Room A): I think it's the Los Altos, the Los Altos Hills. They were part of the county fire, and then they got out. 638 01:11:36.200 --> 01:11:39.139 Speaker 2 (Conference Room A): Do you have any knowledge of. 639 01:11:40.850 --> 01:11:52.350 Jason Gonsalves: Not that one specific, but that has happened, and it's doable. It sounds like Los Altos Hills or Los Altos was contracting with the county for fire services, and they… 640 01:11:52.520 --> 01:11:53.200 Jason Gonsalves: Either forward… 641 01:11:53.200 --> 01:11:58.749 Speaker 2 (Conference Room A): They were paying part of their property tax. They got out, so they become contract. 642 01:11:59.070 --> 01:12:04.399 Speaker 2 (Conference Room A): Yep. That's why the lab co-processing. So they did… it's through the lab co… 643 01:12:04.405 --> 01:12:09.645 Speaker 4 (Conference Room A): I've heard that too, but I'll need to look into that one. This is a LAFCO. 644 01:12:10.195 --> 01:12:13.654 Speaker 3 (Conference Room A): Anything else we should bring up while we're on this visit? Okay. 645 01:12:13.660 --> 01:12:26.819 Speaker 2 (Conference Room A): So at least, I think if we know that process, at least we can try to get it. Whether it's passed through or not, at least that raise the visibility of the issue to the county. 646 01:12:26.910 --> 01:12:37.210 Speaker 2 (Conference Room A): that they are getting more than our share. They are getting double of our property tax, and now they should not ask us for more, something like that. 647 01:12:37.210 --> 01:12:46.330 Jason Gonsalves: Well, Madam Vice Mayor, I think you're… you're absolutely right. As part of these conversations with Becker and… and Ahrens, your Senator and Assembly member. 648 01:12:46.580 --> 01:12:47.420 Jason Gonsalves: you know. 649 01:12:47.610 --> 01:12:55.390 Jason Gonsalves: On the natural, they may say, well, the county has fiscal pressures, as we discussed before, and, you know, they may… 650 01:12:56.190 --> 01:12:59.189 Jason Gonsalves: I think there's an ability to ask them to look at 651 01:13:00.060 --> 01:13:12.050 Jason Gonsalves: The entire picture, not the least of which is the former redevelopment property tax, and supporting our position, because the county has new money coming in that can offset your additional sheriff's contracts, as an example. 652 01:13:12.430 --> 01:13:16.810 Jason Gonsalves: So, if we're able to educate them on the larger 653 01:13:17.210 --> 01:13:20.969 Jason Gonsalves: picture of all the property tax revenue that Cupertino's 654 01:13:21.320 --> 01:13:26.660 Jason Gonsalves: A net donor to the county and other districts, it helps our argument. 655 01:13:28.050 --> 01:13:29.149 Speaker 2 (Conference Room A): Yeah, I think the… 656 01:13:29.190 --> 01:13:38.729 Speaker 2 (Conference Room A): One argument is they are already getting 8% more of our property tax for their general fund. 657 01:13:38.740 --> 01:13:52.240 Speaker 2 (Conference Room A): And now, when we contract with them, they do not charge us at cost. They are trying to do full cost recovery for all the sheriff, contracts. 658 01:13:52.410 --> 01:14:02.000 Speaker 2 (Conference Room A): But, in fact, we are a donor city, we… we are already paying, they are already getting extra from us, and that should be taken into account. 659 01:14:03.330 --> 01:14:13.550 Speaker 1 (Conference Room A): Yeah, there's a separate Los Altos Hills County Fire District, which is separate from the Los Altos one, which last week just annexed their fire district and back to the county's fire district, which is an interesting thing to watch, too. 660 01:14:13.555 --> 01:14:15.855 Speaker 4 (Conference Room A): I'm saying I've heard, and I need to look into it. 661 01:14:15.860 --> 01:14:33.770 Speaker 1 (Conference Room A): Yeah, so Los Altos Hills has a separate fire district. Los Altos Hill… Los Altos has a fire district where they just annexed in to the county fire district, so… which is interesting, they're just paying in. So they went the other way. They basically… Oh, both things have happened, just so you know. So, yeah. 662 01:14:33.860 --> 01:14:37.429 Speaker 1 (Conference Room A): Okay, anything else to add for the legislative day? 663 01:14:37.930 --> 01:14:39.050 Speaker 3 (Conference Room A): Is that a public comment? 664 01:14:39.055 --> 01:14:44.334 Speaker 1 (Conference Room A): Yep, let's go to public comment. Okay, we have one remote speaker. 665 01:14:45.310 --> 01:14:47.400 Conference Room A: Suck while I bring up the timer? 666 01:14:51.510 --> 01:14:53.639 Speaker 3 (Conference Room A): Yeah, I should take a look at this one. I totally miss this. 667 01:14:54.250 --> 01:14:55.940 Speaker 3 (Conference Room A): I'll see. Okay. 668 01:14:56.700 --> 01:14:58.120 Speaker 3 (Conference Room A): Welcome, Jennifer. 669 01:14:58.270 --> 01:15:04.559 Jennifer Griffin: Yes, hi. I thought you guys had forgotten about me, but that's okay. I, I learned… 670 01:15:05.720 --> 01:15:20.860 Jennifer Griffin: No, sorry, you don't want my cold. I got it from my husband. Yes, thank you. I'm just gonna go track back to the, your legislative day. I think it's really good that you're meeting with our, 671 01:15:21.260 --> 01:15:36.620 Jennifer Griffin: assembly member and our senator, Mr. Ahrens is up for re-election, and today, you know, this is voting era. And I think… and Mr. Becker is a senior official, he's been there a while, he's not up for re-election. 672 01:15:36.620 --> 01:15:41.900 Jennifer Griffin: But I think it's important that both of them remember 673 01:15:41.900 --> 01:15:49.799 Jennifer Griffin: Cupertino, because both of them are new to Cupertino, we had reapportionment. We had Cortese until just a year ago. 674 01:15:49.800 --> 01:16:04.710 Jennifer Griffin: So, I'm really… the more you can see what they're doing up there in Sacramento, I'm a bit concerned, because Mr. Ahrens has done this split-a-lot bill, which I'm really concerned about, but I want… 675 01:16:04.740 --> 01:16:06.460 Jennifer Griffin: I want them to… 676 01:16:06.720 --> 01:16:16.770 Jennifer Griffin: want to come to Cupertino and talk to us about their… what their vision is. I'm very happy with Mr. Becker, because he seems to kind of be… 677 01:16:17.140 --> 01:16:23.700 Jennifer Griffin: understanding what Cupertino is, Mr. Ahrens, he's a nice gentleman, but I'm really not sure. 678 01:16:23.730 --> 01:16:40.920 Jennifer Griffin: And I want to get the good vibes that these two gentlemen are going to be fighting for Cupertino at the Sacramento level. I also think it's important that Cupertino sees HCD. We are not happy with HCD. 679 01:16:40.920 --> 01:16:46.360 Jennifer Griffin: I'm extremely concerned about their power, 680 01:16:46.360 --> 01:17:06.059 Jennifer Griffin: rollout. We're going to be having a new governor in 6 to 7 months, and I really hope that this unholy alliance between Senator Weiner and the governor, NHCD, just dies. I am ready for new blood in this. I'm very, very happy that my mother's 681 01:17:06.060 --> 01:17:23.699 Jennifer Griffin: assembly member in Santa Cruz actually had a bill that is trying to help the cities with their housing element to give them more time, but I want our administrators, we elected them and sent them up there. It's not a party. We want them to be 682 01:17:23.700 --> 01:17:46.350 Jennifer Griffin: looking out for everyone in Cupertino, and I… we have a lot of problems in Cupertino. Retail is going out of town. We have 9 townhouse projects that are eating up land. I don't know if they're all gonna go. But I… and also now, I remember our redevelopment agency. I remember when Jerry Brown axed it. 683 01:17:46.350 --> 01:17:54.029 Jennifer Griffin: We lost control of Valco over redevelopment agency. I think we need to bring the redevelopment agencies back. 684 01:17:54.030 --> 01:17:59.600 Jennifer Griffin: Cupertino had one, but I think it's… it's worth looking at, so thank you very much. 685 01:18:00.720 --> 01:18:02.710 Speaker 1 (Conference Room A): Thank you, Jennifer. We have no. 686 01:18:02.710 --> 01:18:04.409 Speaker 5 (Conference Room A): remaining speakers, Chair. No more speakers. 687 01:18:04.410 --> 01:18:05.280 Speaker 1 (Conference Room A): Okay. 688 01:18:06.390 --> 01:18:08.509 Speaker 3 (Conference Room A): Any other comments? Anything on your end? 689 01:18:08.515 --> 01:18:16.754 Speaker 1 (Conference Room A): Okay, well, the next item on the agenda, which is no meeting. I believe no staff reports, if that's correct. No staff and committee reports. Anything to add to the future agenda? 690 01:18:20.230 --> 01:18:25.920 Speaker 3 (Conference Room A): Jason and Paul? I think that e-bike bill… 691 01:18:26.980 --> 01:18:32.739 Speaker 2 (Conference Room A): The, the one that we took position on the City's association. 692 01:18:32.745 --> 01:18:33.784 Speaker 3 (Conference Room A): Put the speed. 693 01:18:33.790 --> 01:18:34.920 Speaker 1 (Conference Room A): Limits and speedometer? 694 01:18:35.160 --> 01:18:35.700 Speaker 1 (Conference Room A): the… 695 01:18:35.705 --> 01:18:38.725 Speaker 2 (Conference Room A): the labeling of the e-bikes. 696 01:18:38.725 --> 01:18:41.675 Speaker 1 (Conference Room A): Types of e-bikes. Licensed for e-bikes, okay. 697 01:18:41.675 --> 01:18:48.185 Speaker 2 (Conference Room A): 167… And likely, the speed limit, AB2346. 698 01:19:06.490 --> 01:19:20.890 Speaker 1 (Conference Room A): So, future agenda, you'd like to place that on a list for a recommendation for the mayor to sign? Yeah. Okay, let's add that to the future agenda item for SB116, support for SB1167, which is, Senator Blake Spears' bill. 699 01:19:24.870 --> 01:19:25.600 Speaker 3 (Conference Room A): Okay. 700 01:19:25.600 --> 01:19:29.799 Jason Gonsalves: Will do. And I have a series of reports we'll be following up with as well. 701 01:19:29.940 --> 01:19:31.900 Speaker 2 (Conference Room A): Okay. Okay, thank you so much. 702 01:19:31.905 --> 01:19:32.635 Speaker 3 (Conference Room A): much. 703 01:19:32.640 --> 01:19:36.389 Speaker 1 (Conference Room A): I look forward to seeing you in Sacramento with Mayor Moore. 704 01:19:36.850 --> 01:19:37.930 Jason Gonsalves: Look forward to it as well. 705 01:19:37.930 --> 01:19:39.020 Paul Gonsalves: forward to it. 706 01:19:39.020 --> 01:19:39.770 Jason Gonsalves: Thank you. 707 01:19:39.980 --> 01:19:41.120 Speaker 1 (Conference Room A): Alright, see you guys. Bye. 708 01:19:41.120 --> 01:19:42.389 Paul Gonsalves: Thanks, have a great day. 709 01:19:42.390 --> 01:19:45.830 Speaker 1 (Conference Room A): Thank you. With that, call this meeting to adjournment. Thank you. 710 01:19:47.540 --> 01:19:51.590 Speaker 3 (Conference Room A): You know, gavel, but… Alright. Thank you, Jennifer. Thanks, Jennifer. 711 01:19:51.970 --> 01:19:53.090 Speaker 3 (Conference Room A): But, see…