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HomeMy WebLinkAboutHC 05-28-2026 Youtube and Zoom TranscriptWEBVTT 1 00:00:16.580 --> 00:00:17.980 Quinlan Conference Room: And start… 2 00:00:23.820 --> 00:00:29.180 Speaker 1 (Quinlan Conference Room): Can we see your Housing Commission meeting on May 28, 2026. 3 00:00:29.460 --> 00:00:30.960 Speaker 1 (Quinlan Conference Room): 5.30pm? 4 00:00:31.570 --> 00:00:35.469 Speaker 1 (Quinlan Conference Room): We have a quorum of pre-finishers, so we can get the movement started. 5 00:00:39.060 --> 00:00:42.259 Speaker 1 (Quinlan Conference Room): Start with the agenda item number one. 6 00:00:45.180 --> 00:00:50.610 Speaker 1 (Quinlan Conference Room): Start with the roll call? Sure, okay, let's start with the roll call. Mr. Cunningham? 7 00:00:50.890 --> 00:00:51.660 Speaker 1 (Quinlan Conference Room): Here. 8 00:00:52.130 --> 00:00:53.850 Speaker 1 (Quinlan Conference Room): Commissioner's talk to you? 9 00:00:54.260 --> 00:00:55.120 Speaker 1 (Quinlan Conference Room): Excellent. 10 00:00:55.400 --> 00:00:56.900 Speaker 1 (Quinlan Conference Room): Mr. Jindy? 11 00:00:57.640 --> 00:00:59.869 Speaker 1 (Quinlan Conference Room): Vice Chair Jones? Here. 12 00:01:00.000 --> 00:01:01.920 Speaker 1 (Quinlan Conference Room): Chair Ryan? Yes, yeah. 13 00:01:01.920 --> 00:01:06.409 Speaker 2 (Quinlan Conference Room): For the record, Commissioner Sharif Coffey and Commissioner Jindy are absent. 14 00:01:09.360 --> 00:01:10.850 Speaker 5 (Quinlan Conference Room): Okay. 15 00:01:11.500 --> 00:01:19.099 Speaker 1 (Quinlan Conference Room): Agenda item number 1 is approval of minutes from March 26, 2026. 16 00:01:19.600 --> 00:01:29.149 Speaker 1 (Quinlan Conference Room): Any motion to approve the notes? I can move to, approve the minutes. In the seconds? 17 00:01:29.500 --> 00:01:31.259 Speaker 1 (Quinlan Conference Room): I second one. Okay. 18 00:01:32.490 --> 00:01:34.090 Quinlan Conference Room: So the minutes are approved. 19 00:01:34.240 --> 00:01:36.619 Quinlan Conference Room: Oh, thank you. Okay. 20 00:01:37.300 --> 00:01:38.720 Quinlan Conference Room: Commissioner Cunningham? 21 00:01:38.870 --> 00:01:40.259 Quinlan Conference Room: Aye. 22 00:01:40.370 --> 00:01:42.409 Quinlan Conference Room: Proof. I prove. 23 00:01:42.970 --> 00:01:49.029 Speaker 2 (Quinlan Conference Room): Commissioner Sri Coffey is absent. Commissioner Jindy is absent. Vice Chair Joes? Aye. 24 00:01:49.880 --> 00:01:51.810 Speaker 2 (Quinlan Conference Room): Sharon or Ryan? Aye. 25 00:01:52.100 --> 00:01:54.269 Speaker 2 (Quinlan Conference Room): Motion carries unanimously. 26 00:01:58.500 --> 00:02:00.840 Speaker 1 (Quinlan Conference Room): Do we have any postponements? 27 00:02:01.290 --> 00:02:03.430 Speaker 1 (Quinlan Conference Room): The postponement. 28 00:02:04.020 --> 00:02:06.510 Speaker 1 (Quinlan Conference Room): Next would be oral communications. 29 00:02:06.870 --> 00:02:08.030 Speaker 1 (Quinlan Conference Room): Nevertheless. 30 00:02:09.410 --> 00:02:13.030 Speaker 2 (Quinlan Conference Room): We have no speakers, sure. No speakers. 31 00:02:13.710 --> 00:02:14.730 Speaker 2 (Quinlan Conference Room): Okay. 32 00:02:16.340 --> 00:02:18.720 Quinlan Conference Room: Next item, all business. 33 00:02:20.060 --> 00:02:23.260 Speaker 1 (Quinlan Conference Room): Oh, we have no… We don't have any. Okay. 34 00:02:23.560 --> 00:02:26.389 Speaker 1 (Quinlan Conference Room): Okay, move on… moving on to the new business. 35 00:02:28.090 --> 00:02:31.850 Speaker 1 (Quinlan Conference Room): Let's see, agenda item number 2, we have… 36 00:02:32.180 --> 00:02:40.579 Speaker 1 (Quinlan Conference Room): The fiscal year 2026-27 Community Development Block Grant Draft Annual Action Plan. 37 00:02:41.990 --> 00:02:48.039 Speaker 1 (Quinlan Conference Room): So the action is for… the approvals… the document. 38 00:02:48.950 --> 00:02:51.749 Speaker 1 (Quinlan Conference Room): Yes, Native Chair, we have a presentation software. 39 00:02:51.750 --> 00:02:57.740 Speaker 2 (Quinlan Conference Room): Okay. Evelyn Mesa, Assistant Housing Coordinator, and our… is… 40 00:02:57.740 --> 00:03:08.199 Speaker 3 (Quinlan Conference Room): of the Annual Action Plan. Tonight, we're asking the Housing Commission to approve the fiscal year 2026-2027 CDBG Annual Action Plan for the middle to HUD. 41 00:03:13.000 --> 00:03:21.149 Speaker 3 (Quinlan Conference Room): First, a little background on the Community Development Block Grant Program. This is an annual entitlement grant fund issued by the federal government. 42 00:03:21.630 --> 00:03:33.339 Speaker 3 (Quinlan Conference Room): HUD, the U.S. Department of Housing and Urban Development, uses a formula to allocate and award funds to jurisdictions, and these funds are intended to primarily benefit low- and moderate-income persons. 43 00:03:33.900 --> 00:03:40.129 Speaker 3 (Quinlan Conference Room): In order to receive these funds, cities are required to submit consolidated plans and annual action plans to HUD. 44 00:03:40.750 --> 00:03:58.630 Speaker 3 (Quinlan Conference Room): The consolidated plan is a more long-term plan that determines the housing and community development goals based on identified needs in the community, and the annual action plan is a year-to-year implementation plan that outlines how these goals will be met in the upcoming year. 45 00:03:59.170 --> 00:04:08.760 Speaker 3 (Quinlan Conference Room): Currently, our… our current consolidated plan covers a 5-year period from 2025 through 2030, and we're in the second 46 00:04:08.890 --> 00:04:10.560 Speaker 3 (Quinlan Conference Room): Consolidated plan year. 47 00:04:12.180 --> 00:04:19.289 Speaker 3 (Quinlan Conference Room): Great, so the annual action plan includes the projects and activities that will be enacted in the upcoming fiscal year, starting on July 1st. 48 00:04:19.310 --> 00:04:29.359 Speaker 3 (Quinlan Conference Room): And it also lists the organizations that will be awarded the CDBG allocations, and it tracks additional funding distribution from other sources. 49 00:04:29.360 --> 00:04:40.059 Speaker 3 (Quinlan Conference Room): That will be used to further these consolidated plan goals. This is essentially formalizing the funding recommendations that were made by the Housing Commission and approved by the City Council back in April. 50 00:04:42.310 --> 00:05:00.769 Speaker 3 (Quinlan Conference Room): Great, so this table, which I know is a little hard to see, but it is included in the Annual Action Plan, it includes all of the consolidated plan goals, along with the funding allocations, and as you can see, it covers all funding sources, not only CDPG, so it includes BMR Affordable Housing Fund. 51 00:05:00.770 --> 00:05:03.429 Speaker 3 (Quinlan Conference Room): HSG and county funding as well. 52 00:05:07.100 --> 00:05:22.749 Speaker 3 (Quinlan Conference Room): And just for a little breakdown on each of these goals, our first one is homeowner rehabilitation. This includes making critical home repairs for lower-income and disabled homeowners who wouldn't otherwise be able to make these repairs to their homes. Also provides repairs. 53 00:05:23.260 --> 00:05:29.949 Speaker 3 (Quinlan Conference Room): For accessible features for disabled and elderly homeowners who otherwise might not be able to stay in their homes. 54 00:05:30.030 --> 00:05:45.880 Speaker 3 (Quinlan Conference Room): Next, we have affordable rental construction, which includes the construction of affordable rental housing units for extremely low- and low-income residents. The city is submitting funding to one affordable housing project, which will produce 249 rental units. 55 00:05:46.820 --> 00:05:57.580 Speaker 3 (Quinlan Conference Room): Our next goal is the Community Development Goal, which will include facility upgrades to kitchens and bathrooms in low-income rental units at the Vista Village Affordable Housing Apartments. 56 00:05:58.020 --> 00:06:09.649 Speaker 3 (Quinlan Conference Room): The Braille and Elderly Services School provides services to elderly and disabled residents. These supportive services may include activities geared to maximizing their social experience. 57 00:06:09.650 --> 00:06:20.450 Speaker 3 (Quinlan Conference Room): And the mental stimulation of elderly clients, and also improves and sustains their mental and physical function, and their quality of life, as well as providing legal assistance. 58 00:06:20.910 --> 00:06:35.449 Speaker 3 (Quinlan Conference Room): Next, we have services for low- income families and homeless populations. This goal includes providing supportive services, landlord-tenant counseling, dispute resolution services to low-income families and unhoused residents. 59 00:06:35.720 --> 00:06:42.610 Speaker 3 (Quinlan Conference Room): And then finally, our Planning and Administration goal just covers overall administration for our CBBG program. 60 00:06:45.160 --> 00:07:03.389 Speaker 3 (Quinlan Conference Room): And as mentioned, we include all of the activities to provide a full picture of activities that the city's funding for the year, but the annual action plan is ultimately a HUD requirement, which means it's primarily focused on CDBG funding, how we allocate these funds, track them, and report on them. 61 00:07:03.610 --> 00:07:23.339 Speaker 3 (Quinlan Conference Room): So the following is the CDBG allocations. For Live Oak Adult Day Services, we're going to be funding it at $15,000 for the year. West Valley Community Services, the care program, is being funded at $33,300. So this is for our public services, which are 15% of the CDBG funding allocation. 62 00:07:23.660 --> 00:07:33.790 Speaker 3 (Quinlan Conference Room): Next, we have the funding for the CDBG capital housing projects. $107,500 is allocated for the Rebuilding Together Silicon Valley. 63 00:07:33.790 --> 00:07:44.570 Speaker 3 (Quinlan Conference Room): homeowner repair and rehab program. And finally, we have $160,000 allocated to West Valley Community Services for their Vista Village facilities upgrades. 64 00:07:44.600 --> 00:07:51.199 Speaker 3 (Quinlan Conference Room): And I didn't put it there, but we also have $64,500 allocated for the planning and administration. 65 00:07:53.800 --> 00:08:08.419 Speaker 3 (Quinlan Conference Room): In terms of our timeline, we're on track to submit by the June 15th deadline to HUD, and this is following the NOFA application period, which closed back in February, and the Housing Commission recommendations, as well as the City Council funding approval. 66 00:08:09.860 --> 00:08:16.509 Speaker 3 (Quinlan Conference Room): So our next step is to get approval for this annual action plan today, and we're ready to submit to HUD. 67 00:08:18.920 --> 00:08:26.869 Speaker 3 (Quinlan Conference Room): We do have a recommended motion for you, and I'm available to answer any questions you might have about the plan, and that concludes my presentation. 68 00:08:27.240 --> 00:08:28.380 Speaker 3 (Quinlan Conference Room): Thank you. 69 00:08:29.270 --> 00:08:33.720 Speaker 1 (Quinlan Conference Room): Are you open for questions? First clarifying questions from the Commission. 70 00:08:35.000 --> 00:08:39.919 Speaker 1 (Quinlan Conference Room): I'm sorry, Latita? First is clarifying questions from the Commission. Sure. Yeah. 71 00:08:40.140 --> 00:08:45.089 Speaker 1 (Quinlan Conference Room): The commissioners, I have a list of things I would like to ask, but let me… 72 00:08:45.730 --> 00:08:52.540 Speaker 1 (Quinlan Conference Room): If I have questions as well, but… Yeah, go ahead. Hello. 73 00:08:53.050 --> 00:08:56.260 Speaker 1 (Quinlan Conference Room): Okay, okay, 74 00:08:56.950 --> 00:09:11.260 Speaker 1 (Quinlan Conference Room): I just had, like, certain, items I thought were inconsistent when I reviewed it. It may just be a typographic error, so can I point them out? Yeah. Okay, there was, the public comment period. 75 00:09:11.260 --> 00:09:19.000 Speaker 1 (Quinlan Conference Room): of 30-day, there was, different dates. In some areas, it was April 24 to 28, May 28. 76 00:09:19.020 --> 00:09:28.800 Speaker 1 (Quinlan Conference Room): And in one, place, it was April 27th to May 28, and then there was another which said April 27 to May 27. 77 00:09:29.020 --> 00:09:31.329 Speaker 1 (Quinlan Conference Room): I'll double check that, but it's the correct. 78 00:09:31.335 --> 00:09:35.094 Speaker 3 (Quinlan Conference Room): one should be April 27th until today, 28th. 28th, right? 79 00:09:35.095 --> 00:09:42.044 Speaker 1 (Quinlan Conference Room): So there were, yeah, so there were 3 different, date ranges. Okay, I can double check. In different areas, okay. 80 00:09:42.225 --> 00:09:45.454 Speaker 1 (Quinlan Conference Room): So it should be 27 to 28, right? Correct, yes. Okay. 81 00:09:47.355 --> 00:09:52.155 Speaker 1 (Quinlan Conference Room): And then, it was also in AP15, 82 00:09:52.845 --> 00:10:04.185 Speaker 1 (Quinlan Conference Room): there was, the CDBG program income, income, was listed as, 7,944. 83 00:10:04.875 --> 00:10:08.324 Speaker 1 (Quinlan Conference Room): Whereas in AP90, it was listed as zero. 84 00:10:09.975 --> 00:10:12.704 Speaker 1 (Quinlan Conference Room): I couldn't address that one. So, 85 00:10:13.425 --> 00:10:16.324 Speaker 1 (Quinlan Conference Room): what's in AP15 is a projection. 86 00:10:16.445 --> 00:10:21.574 Speaker 1 (Quinlan Conference Room): program outcome that we expect to get through the year. And then 1890 is essentially what. 87 00:10:21.765 --> 00:10:41.455 Speaker 4 (Quinlan Conference Room): as we go into the new year, how much unexpected program income do we have at that time? Okay. Yeah, so it's actually two different things it's measuring, right? One is an estimate of what we expect to receive over the entire course of next year. One is what are we carrying over going in from this year. I see. Okay, okay, got it, got it, got it. Okay. 88 00:10:45.360 --> 00:10:53.590 Speaker 1 (Quinlan Conference Room): So, there was an attachment of the 2017-2018 Housing Commission Resolution 17-12. 89 00:10:54.730 --> 00:10:59.140 Speaker 1 (Quinlan Conference Room): Right? That's the old grant amount and funding caps. 90 00:10:59.780 --> 00:11:03.960 Speaker 1 (Quinlan Conference Room): So, what's the purpose of attaching that is… 91 00:11:04.330 --> 00:11:07.190 Speaker 1 (Quinlan Conference Room): It doesn't apply, or… I don't know. 92 00:11:07.195 --> 00:11:13.905 Speaker 4 (Quinlan Conference Room): That's a contingency plan that was passed by the Housing Commission, basically on the question of what do we do? 93 00:11:14.145 --> 00:11:19.474 Speaker 4 (Quinlan Conference Room): when the estimates of our CDBG grant don't match what HUD ultimately gives us. 94 00:11:19.785 --> 00:11:35.584 Speaker 4 (Quinlan Conference Room): And what it basically spells out is we try our best to match the Housing Commission's recommendation, right? When it comes to the public services, if they award us more, we proportionally award each one more. We proportionally award each one of them less. 95 00:11:35.635 --> 00:11:42.114 Speaker 4 (Quinlan Conference Room): And then when it comes to construction projects, if we don't have enough money, then we fully fund 96 00:11:42.695 --> 00:11:56.874 Speaker 4 (Quinlan Conference Room): the most important one, basically, and we have to put the other ones on the back burner, right? Because construction's a little bit different. If we don't fully fund them, then they just don't happen, right? Yeah. And so that contingency point, we've kind of kept it going, because, 97 00:11:57.075 --> 00:12:01.175 Speaker 4 (Quinlan Conference Room): That's a problem that kind of… exists, and… 98 00:12:01.335 --> 00:12:22.864 Speaker 4 (Quinlan Conference Room): the design of the CDBG program, right? We're required to make these funding recommendations before HUD actually gives us the money, and so sometimes… it's never exact, right? It's never, never. We can make our best estimates, but it's never going to be exactly the same number. So there's always going to be even more than we estimated, and so we need the contingency funds to say, okay, even though we went to the Commission with this number. 99 00:12:22.865 --> 00:12:27.455 Speaker 4 (Quinlan Conference Room): Yeah. We have a contingency plan so that when it's different, we know how to 100 00:12:27.455 --> 00:12:31.684 Speaker 4 (Quinlan Conference Room): you know, do contract with that. But the thing is, that was, 101 00:12:31.685 --> 00:12:34.674 Speaker 1 (Quinlan Conference Room): approved, like, almost 10 years ago, right? 102 00:12:34.675 --> 00:12:39.384 Speaker 4 (Quinlan Conference Room): interested in potentially reopening that identity plan. Shouldn't we be asking for all the money? 103 00:12:39.390 --> 00:12:46.129 Speaker 1 (Quinlan Conference Room): I'm just saying, like, to HUD, so if it's with inflation and so forth, you want to… 104 00:12:47.310 --> 00:13:06.570 Speaker 4 (Quinlan Conference Room): We'll be asked for more. Oh, I would love to ask for more, man. But we're not. They would just be like, no, it's a formula grant, and that's what you get. But if you're interested in reopening the contingency plan, if you want to redesign it, that's something that the Commission is always open to do. Interesting. All right, thank you. Yeah. 105 00:13:12.560 --> 00:13:23.380 Speaker 1 (Quinlan Conference Room): Oh, show that AP20 Right? The 249 unit at the Wolf Road, project. 106 00:13:24.330 --> 00:13:32.260 Speaker 1 (Quinlan Conference Room): So, I think it says, start of construction. It said, between 2026 to 27th. 107 00:13:33.230 --> 00:13:41.839 Speaker 1 (Quinlan Conference Room): If you look at the description, it's not construction, right? It's just the funding happens in 26-27. Correct. Yeah. 108 00:13:42.150 --> 00:13:44.009 Speaker 3 (Quinlan Conference Room): We also included… But it's listed as. 109 00:13:44.010 --> 00:13:47.389 Speaker 1 (Quinlan Conference Room): construction, that's why. Oh, I see, okay. Yeah, I think we all. 110 00:13:47.395 --> 00:13:52.634 Speaker 3 (Quinlan Conference Room): I also noted that construction will take place through the consolidated plan period. Right, yeah, yeah. 111 00:13:52.635 --> 00:13:57.665 Speaker 1 (Quinlan Conference Room): Yeah, so this is, like, the AP20 item… line item 2. 112 00:13:57.835 --> 00:14:00.805 Speaker 1 (Quinlan Conference Room): It says, yeah, it says construction, that's why. 113 00:14:00.995 --> 00:14:02.324 Speaker 1 (Quinlan Conference Room): Yeah, voted by that. 114 00:14:04.005 --> 00:14:11.215 Speaker 1 (Quinlan Conference Room): And there were two other things, like, the homeless count, homeless count. 115 00:14:11.695 --> 00:14:15.535 Speaker 1 (Quinlan Conference Room): It was a 48 number and also a 101 number. 116 00:14:15.865 --> 00:14:16.985 Speaker 1 (Quinlan Conference Room): So… 117 00:14:17.485 --> 00:14:28.664 Speaker 1 (Quinlan Conference Room): What… I mean, if… if the study was based, or the allocation was based on the old 48 number, should… how does that reflect the newer 101? 118 00:14:29.670 --> 00:14:36.100 Speaker 4 (Quinlan Conference Room): Fortunately, our formulaic grant is… does not take into account our bid count. It's… it's really more of just a… 119 00:14:36.650 --> 00:14:45.709 Speaker 4 (Quinlan Conference Room): us knowing what is the change in need that we're seeing year-to-year in these populations. So, the 48 number is from, 120 00:14:45.830 --> 00:14:49.519 Speaker 4 (Quinlan Conference Room): I think the 2024 count, and 101 is… 121 00:14:49.710 --> 00:14:51.879 Speaker 4 (Quinlan Conference Room): I've count, so I just… Does he sit down. 122 00:14:51.880 --> 00:14:54.110 Speaker 1 (Quinlan Conference Room): What is a recent one, right? Yeah. 123 00:14:54.210 --> 00:15:00.939 Speaker 1 (Quinlan Conference Room): The 101 is a recent count, the zero time, yeah. Just, yes, December of 2025, yeah. 124 00:15:05.460 --> 00:15:12.139 Speaker 1 (Quinlan Conference Room): But the… but our goals and the funding allocation can't reflect the new one. It still reflects the… 125 00:15:13.040 --> 00:15:16.340 Speaker 1 (Quinlan Conference Room): Yeah, our… amended. 126 00:15:16.340 --> 00:15:18.880 Speaker 4 (Quinlan Conference Room): In the con plan design, which was done 127 00:15:19.200 --> 00:15:32.259 Speaker 4 (Quinlan Conference Room): Well, it was written in 2024, right? For the 2024 and onward. I mean, we have new… we have new data that we can address, right, in an action plan when we want to talk about implementing, right? And because, you know. 128 00:15:32.800 --> 00:15:37.850 Speaker 4 (Quinlan Conference Room): Priorities change. Yeah, yeah. But 129 00:15:38.180 --> 00:15:44.539 Speaker 4 (Quinlan Conference Room): Yeah, so anything that references the comp plan is going to have the old number, and anything that doesn't have the numbers. 130 00:15:45.230 --> 00:15:46.120 Speaker 4 (Quinlan Conference Room): Buckman. 131 00:15:49.200 --> 00:15:59.040 Speaker 1 (Quinlan Conference Room): Otherwise, my only thing is it's an amazing report. It's very well written, and I think it also, ties back to 132 00:15:59.210 --> 00:16:06.009 Speaker 1 (Quinlan Conference Room): It focuses on low-income households and special needs populations, which is really critical, so… 133 00:16:06.670 --> 00:16:11.619 Speaker 1 (Quinlan Conference Room): We'll fix it. Thank you, Chair. 134 00:16:11.625 --> 00:16:21.624 Speaker 5 (Quinlan Conference Room): I do have a couple of questions. Page 14 and 19 of Table 2, talks about the Housing Trust, Silicon Valley. 135 00:16:21.625 --> 00:16:33.065 Speaker 5 (Quinlan Conference Room): calling it a CDFI. Didn't know what was a CDFI, so I looked it all up and found out. It's a community development finance institution, and that they provide funds, 136 00:16:33.065 --> 00:16:43.855 Speaker 5 (Quinlan Conference Room): separately from, say, the banks and conventional guys. And they provide bridge capital. And my question is, how does Cupertino 137 00:16:43.855 --> 00:16:53.825 Speaker 5 (Quinlan Conference Room): Work with, this particular organization, to ensure that developers are aware of this particular phenomenon. 138 00:16:55.665 --> 00:16:56.555 Speaker 5 (Quinlan Conference Room): Yeah. 139 00:16:56.675 --> 00:16:57.214 Speaker 5 (Quinlan Conference Room): Oh. 140 00:16:58.420 --> 00:17:02.229 Speaker 4 (Quinlan Conference Room): We've maintained relationships, right, with all these different, like. 141 00:17:02.270 --> 00:17:20.639 Speaker 4 (Quinlan Conference Room): regional government and nonprofit organizations when it comes to this kind of housing kind of ecosystem, right? They invite us for funding, right, for our BMR program, for example. We also kind of direct them towards other available funds to try to maximize, you know, the project's success, right? So, when 142 00:17:20.869 --> 00:17:38.470 Speaker 4 (Quinlan Conference Room): for example, Mary Avenue, right, applied to us for funding back in, 2025. We also introduced them to the Housing Trust of Silicon Valley, right? And, you know, basically shared the performance of, like, helping you guys also put into this project, right? Like, we're supporting this project. 143 00:17:38.510 --> 00:17:43.719 Speaker 4 (Quinlan Conference Room): What can you guys also contribute in the identity, right? I think about $3 million. 144 00:17:44.090 --> 00:17:50.700 Speaker 5 (Quinlan Conference Room): I wasn't aware of that, and I don't know if any of the other housing commissioners were aware of that, or even… 145 00:17:50.800 --> 00:18:10.629 Speaker 5 (Quinlan Conference Room): how that whole system works. I had heard on a number of occasions that ELI housing specifically is a layer cake, but I only know a couple of the layers, so apparently I have discovered this new one, and I appreciate your describing it for me. I'm very pleased that we have had 146 00:18:11.070 --> 00:18:15.190 Speaker 5 (Quinlan Conference Room): Mary Avenue for that, as well as, I think. 147 00:18:15.870 --> 00:18:32.449 Speaker 5 (Quinlan Conference Room): is coming forward. It does sound like for anyone, any developer, to get a… the interest of a CDFI loan or bridge gap, that they have to have already 148 00:18:32.990 --> 00:18:44.979 Speaker 5 (Quinlan Conference Room): achieve some success with their… they can't just come in with an application and say, here, you know, here, Housing Trust Silicon Valley. They have to have both. 149 00:18:45.240 --> 00:18:46.809 Speaker 5 (Quinlan Conference Room): Come to a city. 150 00:18:47.230 --> 00:18:59.620 Speaker 5 (Quinlan Conference Room): to get something. And so I don't know what that something is. It's something, like in the case of Mary Avenue, they did get land, as well as funding. I don't know if, 151 00:18:59.790 --> 00:19:05.440 Speaker 5 (Quinlan Conference Room): land is always necessary, or if just funding from the city would be necessary? 152 00:19:05.445 --> 00:19:16.504 Speaker 4 (Quinlan Conference Room): They want to basically bridge the gap on shovel-ready projects, right? They don't want to just find a dream, and then potentially all of them go to nowhere. So, yeah, typically. 153 00:19:16.505 --> 00:19:29.094 Speaker 4 (Quinlan Conference Room): when the housing trust gets involved, they've already got a proposal, a performer, they've got a plan, right? And they've even got, like, a budget made up, and they just say, like, oh, we need this much to bridge the gap. And then that is where housing trust will really come in. 154 00:19:29.145 --> 00:19:30.214 Speaker 4 (Quinlan Conference Room): Oh, yeah. 155 00:19:30.850 --> 00:19:41.079 Speaker 5 (Quinlan Conference Room): I do have a follow-on question, if you don't work with that, because, we have a housing element which has any number of sites available, for developers to 156 00:19:41.280 --> 00:19:46.470 Speaker 5 (Quinlan Conference Room): decide they have an application to come in. So, 157 00:19:47.120 --> 00:19:55.660 Speaker 5 (Quinlan Conference Room): Hmm, I guess a big question is, is that only non-profit, Developers that usually 158 00:19:56.330 --> 00:20:10.349 Speaker 5 (Quinlan Conference Room): get into this mix, or does a regular developer… you know, what I mean, yeah. I think you know what I mean, because we have several… we have had several applicants approved to build townhomes, with, 159 00:20:11.870 --> 00:20:25.130 Speaker 5 (Quinlan Conference Room): the low market rate purchase, but we haven't had any for the partner-type units that… and they have all… they have all said that they don't have funding available to them, so what… 160 00:20:25.370 --> 00:20:36.000 Speaker 5 (Quinlan Conference Room): Are those, developers not, able to apply to… I mean, they've got something, right? They've got the land, and they've got the plan, and… It's almost always gonna. 161 00:20:36.005 --> 00:20:54.814 Speaker 4 (Quinlan Conference Room): to be a non-profit developer, right? Housing Trust and the City BMR Fund, right, we're both really interested in finding those 100% affordable projects, right? Not just, like, an inclusionary market rate project that's contractually obliged, right, to provide a certain percentage of their units as affordable. 162 00:20:54.815 --> 00:20:58.024 Speaker 4 (Quinlan Conference Room): And really, it's the 100% of all projects that even need 163 00:20:58.305 --> 00:21:01.565 Speaker 4 (Quinlan Conference Room): the support in the first place, right? 164 00:21:01.775 --> 00:21:03.674 Speaker 4 (Quinlan Conference Room): Well, I would have thought so. 165 00:21:03.680 --> 00:21:21.970 Speaker 5 (Quinlan Conference Room): all of these applicants said they couldn't get any funding except for… except for, townhomes, that they could only get, funding… I mean, they couldn't get it for any apartment kinds of units. That's… that's my question is, at what point does the, 166 00:21:22.280 --> 00:21:29.149 Speaker 5 (Quinlan Conference Room): CDFI start saying, oh, my goodness, I guess it's not just, you know, the, 167 00:21:29.350 --> 00:21:34.809 Speaker 5 (Quinlan Conference Room): other kind, the nonprofits who need help. Actually, it sounds like… 168 00:21:35.040 --> 00:21:43.229 Speaker 5 (Quinlan Conference Room): everybody needs help if they want to, build anything other than townhomes to the market, right? Sure. 169 00:21:43.235 --> 00:21:58.364 Speaker 4 (Quinlan Conference Room): this might be a gap in, like, the financial lending structure, right? Where you've got CDFIs to help low- income affordable housing, and you've got your conventional bank lenders that can help, you know, with your market redevelopments, but you want to see a return on investment, so they want to go for 170 00:21:58.365 --> 00:22:05.794 Speaker 4 (Quinlan Conference Room): townhomes and things like that that can turn a profit really quickly, and then maybe there's something in the middle that doesn't exist yet, right, that can maybe 171 00:22:05.875 --> 00:22:13.995 Speaker 4 (Quinlan Conference Room): I'll just suggest just for rental housing in general boosting? I don't know if that exists yet, but that's a good question to be asking. Okay, yeah. 172 00:22:13.995 --> 00:22:24.705 Speaker 5 (Quinlan Conference Room): Okay, thank you for… for saying it was a good question to be asking, because I kept thinking, what am I missing? Yeah. Where in here am I not understanding, what the… what all these townhome 173 00:22:24.825 --> 00:22:27.814 Speaker 5 (Quinlan Conference Room): Applicants are saying, because it's all the same. 174 00:22:28.105 --> 00:22:29.855 Speaker 5 (Quinlan Conference Room): And yet they're all… 175 00:22:30.215 --> 00:22:39.934 Speaker 5 (Quinlan Conference Room): businessmen and women, and anyway, thank you for that answer. It was very helpful, and I hope it helped everyone else understand it as well. 176 00:22:41.585 --> 00:22:47.254 Speaker 5 (Quinlan Conference Room): I did have another question, but if you have some single… You want it to? 177 00:22:47.405 --> 00:22:53.104 Speaker 5 (Quinlan Conference Room): Okay, why don't you go ahead. So, on page 43, we talk about what. 178 00:22:53.110 --> 00:23:03.080 Speaker 6 (Quinlan Conference Room): that's expected. For funding, about $322,000. We also refer to $50,000 in expended funds. 179 00:23:03.080 --> 00:23:22.819 Speaker 6 (Quinlan Conference Room): When the need is so great, why do we carry a surplus over here when we know that, you know, some of the future evolutions are based on one formulae, right? That doesn't depend on prior year carryover, but nevertheless, like, the growth in need is pretty exponential. 180 00:23:22.820 --> 00:23:35.630 Speaker 6 (Quinlan Conference Room): Especially when we refer back to, you know, 50 versus 101, or 48 versus 101 unhoused, residents. So, why… why do we carry that over? 181 00:23:35.630 --> 00:23:46.120 Speaker 4 (Quinlan Conference Room): The carryover is the result of, actually, a construction project finishing under budget. So, the fire alarm project is nearing completion, and they were able to do it, 182 00:23:46.320 --> 00:24:01.199 Speaker 4 (Quinlan Conference Room): somehow without expending all the money we re-award, so we are expecting some of that money to basically become unencumbered once that project completes, and so that's why we are including that as carryover to be re-awarded out for another project. Follow-up question? 183 00:24:01.205 --> 00:24:07.484 Speaker 6 (Quinlan Conference Room): Yeah. So does that count against the formulaic future allocation? No. 184 00:24:07.635 --> 00:24:08.405 Speaker 6 (Quinlan Conference Room): No. 185 00:24:08.550 --> 00:24:19.759 Speaker 4 (Quinlan Conference Room): Yeah. We just need to make sure we spend it in time. There's, like, there's these timeliness showdown requirements that that gives us, but it doesn't… it doesn't make us receive a lot in the future. Okay. I have one more question. 186 00:24:19.760 --> 00:24:23.479 Speaker 6 (Quinlan Conference Room): So, the formulaic assessment, can you help me understand that a little bit better? 187 00:24:23.485 --> 00:24:31.984 Speaker 4 (Quinlan Conference Room): Yeah, it's based on two things. Number one, what is your city's population size? And then, of that population size, how much of it is low income? 188 00:24:31.995 --> 00:24:44.505 Speaker 4 (Quinlan Conference Room): Okay, so if you're… if you're a big city, with a really, really, really big low-income population, you'll get a massive CDBG award, right? Big cities, in general, will get big awards, more than smaller cities, and then rich cities will get less than poor cities. 189 00:24:45.990 --> 00:24:51.720 Speaker 6 (Quinlan Conference Room): And have we tracked, like, Pretty stable, or have we… 190 00:24:51.725 --> 00:24:52.724 Speaker 1 (Quinlan Conference Room): Pretty much around. 191 00:24:52.725 --> 00:24:56.075 Speaker 4 (Quinlan Conference Room): 300,000 number. 192 00:24:56.735 --> 00:24:58.674 Speaker 4 (Quinlan Conference Room): Over the years that I've seen. 193 00:25:00.770 --> 00:25:02.860 Speaker 6 (Quinlan Conference Room): That doesn't sound like a number. 194 00:25:03.320 --> 00:25:05.799 Speaker 6 (Quinlan Conference Room): For the growth that it has your resume. 195 00:25:06.235 --> 00:25:13.414 Speaker 4 (Quinlan Conference Room): No, no, they don't, because their formula does not account for growth in the house residents. There's actually a different federal 196 00:25:13.955 --> 00:25:19.124 Speaker 4 (Quinlan Conference Room): grant that does that. It's called ESG, and that's managed by the county, actually. 197 00:25:19.475 --> 00:25:20.295 Speaker 4 (Quinlan Conference Room): Yeah. 198 00:25:24.640 --> 00:25:25.940 Speaker 5 (Quinlan Conference Room): Okay, I do. 199 00:25:26.160 --> 00:25:29.570 Speaker 5 (Quinlan Conference Room): I have a couple of more questions. 200 00:25:34.960 --> 00:25:41.070 Speaker 5 (Quinlan Conference Room): Okay, I had… oh, this one is a simpler one, and then I'll go back to the one. It's a more… 201 00:25:41.400 --> 00:25:56.349 Speaker 5 (Quinlan Conference Room): On page 48, it says that we are going to attempt 70% instead of a higher percent of overall benefit. So, could you explain to me what the overall benefit is, and why we're going for 70% and not 85, 90… 202 00:25:56.355 --> 00:26:01.394 Speaker 4 (Quinlan Conference Room): Do you mind if I look at that page real quick? Oh, page 48? Let me see what it's good. 203 00:26:03.910 --> 00:26:07.900 Speaker 5 (Quinlan Conference Room): Maybe for kids, it's this… chart here. 204 00:26:08.610 --> 00:26:11.019 Speaker 5 (Quinlan Conference Room): Oh, no, no, we don'. 205 00:26:11.025 --> 00:26:20.094 Speaker 4 (Quinlan Conference Room): We are going for 100%. So this is our answer on the side. We're saying we're going for 100%. We're saying, at a minimum, do 70%, and we said, we're going for 100. 206 00:26:20.100 --> 00:26:22.770 Speaker 5 (Quinlan Conference Room): It says a city will attempt to develop benefit of 70. 207 00:26:22.795 --> 00:26:28.004 Speaker 4 (Quinlan Conference Room): I mean, that's just to give us, you know, as much ability, right? Like, if you don't need it, they don't. 208 00:26:28.005 --> 00:26:36.274 Speaker 5 (Quinlan Conference Room): because you didn't get 100, you only got 8. Yeah, we won't… we're saying we're 8 months, right? But we won't… we won't… we won't. 209 00:26:36.280 --> 00:26:40.890 Speaker 4 (Quinlan Conference Room): the overall benefit of stuff by going for 100. Okay. 210 00:26:40.890 --> 00:26:43.760 Speaker 5 (Quinlan Conference Room): I, I understand. 211 00:26:43.765 --> 00:26:45.635 Speaker 1 (Quinlan Conference Room): So, my patient person. 212 00:26:45.640 --> 00:26:53.549 Speaker 5 (Quinlan Conference Room): So, the other question that I have is a little more, complicated. It's talk… it's on page, 213 00:26:53.800 --> 00:27:01.770 Speaker 5 (Quinlan Conference Room): Page 37, where we're talking about homeless and other special needs. 214 00:27:02.120 --> 00:27:15.179 Speaker 5 (Quinlan Conference Room): And we already talked about that Cupertino has 45 homeless residents, and now the new count is 101. Okay. And, in here, we state that, 215 00:27:15.340 --> 00:27:20.510 Speaker 5 (Quinlan Conference Room): There are no emergency shelters or transitional housing in Cicotino. 216 00:27:20.670 --> 00:27:26.790 Speaker 5 (Quinlan Conference Room): On page 38, There was a, project summary. 217 00:27:26.890 --> 00:27:45.770 Speaker 5 (Quinlan Conference Room): And the report stated that Cupertino has a rotating safe parking program with two host sites. Does… do those spaces come anywhere close to either 4-5, or… that's the low one, I mean, 101? Each of those sites. 218 00:27:45.775 --> 00:27:47.025 Speaker 3 (Quinlan Conference Room): accommodates FIT25. 219 00:27:47.465 --> 00:27:53.025 Speaker 5 (Quinlan Conference Room): Okay, and are they all operating at the same time, then? So it's really 75? No, so they. 220 00:27:53.025 --> 00:27:58.074 Speaker 3 (Quinlan Conference Room): They rotate throughout the year, so those 25 individuals might be just rotating sites. 221 00:27:58.285 --> 00:28:02.785 Speaker 5 (Quinlan Conference Room): Okay, so it's really only 25. Yes. Out of the 45. 222 00:28:02.785 --> 00:28:07.505 Speaker 3 (Quinlan Conference Room): Yes, this is a program that involves other cities, so there's… it's… 223 00:28:07.635 --> 00:28:09.965 Speaker 3 (Quinlan Conference Room): I believe operates up to 1210. 224 00:28:10.285 --> 00:28:28.495 Speaker 5 (Quinlan Conference Room): out of the year? Okay, 10 months out of the year, which leaves 2 months, where there isn't any. And then there's 25 out of the 45 of our people, not speaking of what other cities might have homeless residents as well, if I'm accurately understanding you. 225 00:28:28.495 --> 00:28:32.635 Speaker 5 (Quinlan Conference Room): So, that, that, 226 00:28:33.225 --> 00:28:42.265 Speaker 5 (Quinlan Conference Room): I was thinking about that, and it turns out… well, I was thinking about that when I also remembered that not too long ago. 227 00:28:42.615 --> 00:28:50.995 Speaker 5 (Quinlan Conference Room): the city passed a, no overnight parking ordinance for anyone, anyone who said we do outers, and I thought, wow, for not having a safe 228 00:28:51.145 --> 00:28:53.634 Speaker 5 (Quinlan Conference Room): parking lot. That's… 229 00:28:53.835 --> 00:28:59.395 Speaker 5 (Quinlan Conference Room): pretty draconian, right? To take somebody's house and take it away from them, when it's the only house they had. 230 00:28:59.595 --> 00:29:08.174 Speaker 5 (Quinlan Conference Room): end of preaching. I will go to what my next point is, is that, There was an article. 231 00:29:08.335 --> 00:29:11.044 Speaker 5 (Quinlan Conference Room): In the Bay Area. Oops. 232 00:29:11.395 --> 00:29:17.314 Speaker 5 (Quinlan Conference Room): And it talks about the fact that our supervisor… oh, is that the right one? 233 00:29:18.845 --> 00:29:26.194 Speaker 5 (Quinlan Conference Room): Our supervisor, Margaret Favifoga, convened the meeting in April. 234 00:29:26.725 --> 00:29:28.174 Speaker 5 (Quinlan Conference Room): pounds, 235 00:29:30.375 --> 00:29:49.104 Speaker 5 (Quinlan Conference Room): She convened, there were 50 city, county, non-profit, faith, and business leaders in Palo… and they met in Palo Alto to consider strategies for a regional approach to safe parking spaces. So what I'm thinking is that, 236 00:29:49.205 --> 00:30:03.685 Speaker 5 (Quinlan Conference Room): Hopefully, who can all will be actively involved in that, and that, that's something that I would like to… and I might just, depending on what happens with this conversation, maybe, we can add it to our, 237 00:30:05.025 --> 00:30:12.494 Speaker 5 (Quinlan Conference Room): agenda from the future, to talk about this, because it's something that, Asai as the supervisor, and there's a… 238 00:30:12.825 --> 00:30:23.544 Speaker 5 (Quinlan Conference Room): organization called Move Mountain View, and it has a successful program, and one of the women who was in that program, she lived there two and a half years. 239 00:30:23.575 --> 00:30:35.244 Speaker 5 (Quinlan Conference Room): So that takes you 25… your 25 units, periodically throughout the year, and it didn't have helped her at all. She couldn't have done anything if she were in our… 240 00:30:35.635 --> 00:30:42.794 Speaker 5 (Quinlan Conference Room): So, I just wanted to share that with you, that, since this is an ongoing, 241 00:30:43.115 --> 00:30:50.215 Speaker 5 (Quinlan Conference Room): Group that is getting together under the auspices of the county supervisor that hopefully they, 242 00:30:50.505 --> 00:30:56.835 Speaker 5 (Quinlan Conference Room): Cupertino is going to be involved in that, and that we can stand up to help 243 00:30:57.255 --> 00:31:11.164 Speaker 5 (Quinlan Conference Room): safe parking spot, and considering that overall we have fewer homeless people than many, many places have, that we could have one big enough to help, as many as we need. Because they were talking about 244 00:31:11.165 --> 00:31:17.645 Speaker 5 (Quinlan Conference Room): The fact that this county has a bunch of different kinds of housing things that they do, and this 245 00:31:17.795 --> 00:31:21.515 Speaker 5 (Quinlan Conference Room): safe parking one has the list of the, 246 00:31:21.875 --> 00:31:23.974 Speaker 5 (Quinlan Conference Room): Lots available to help those people. 247 00:31:24.205 --> 00:31:37.775 Speaker 5 (Quinlan Conference Room): And, so the idea is this… this isn't, like, a goal, like, everybody gives it, but it's a strategy to help people who… who are… need that help now, and then as you're getting them better. 248 00:31:37.865 --> 00:31:47.744 Speaker 5 (Quinlan Conference Room): housing, apartment, like that later on. So, I wanted to bring that up and just say that, I hope we can strengthen 249 00:31:47.745 --> 00:31:59.855 Speaker 5 (Quinlan Conference Room): our existing one. I think our existing one should definitely be kept. I mean, people that are using it are needing that help, and they're using that help, and I… I want that to stay there. It's just, I would like to, 250 00:31:59.985 --> 00:32:01.935 Speaker 5 (Quinlan Conference Room): I hope that that's stronger. 251 00:32:02.115 --> 00:32:08.465 Speaker 5 (Quinlan Conference Room): A question that came out of this, though, was that, after the… program. 252 00:32:08.685 --> 00:32:25.854 Speaker 5 (Quinlan Conference Room): There was an MOU signed, and I forget what… but there was an MOU signed with us and other West Valley cities, come up with a, plan for emergency shelters and transitional housing, and that that work is finished, and that was in here as well. 253 00:32:25.945 --> 00:32:39.115 Speaker 5 (Quinlan Conference Room): And it said period. It says there are going to be more action taken after that, and I didn't know, because it didn't say whether Cupertino was going to be involved in that next step of taking further actions 254 00:32:39.415 --> 00:32:40.675 Speaker 5 (Quinlan Conference Room): To work on it. 255 00:32:40.980 --> 00:32:45.780 Speaker 4 (Quinlan Conference Room): We produce a council informational memo on the results of that study. 256 00:32:45.940 --> 00:32:58.339 Speaker 4 (Quinlan Conference Room): in March, at least. And if the City Council wants to agendize further action, if they want to join the implementation plan, that'll be at their discretion. 257 00:32:59.390 --> 00:33:04.170 Speaker 5 (Quinlan Conference Room): Okay, is that something that we might then, as the Housing Commission, even recommend? 258 00:33:04.250 --> 00:33:19.589 Speaker 5 (Quinlan Conference Room): that we involved in that. I mean, we're talking about emergency housing and, transitional housing. And the only emergency housing we have in the city, as I understand it, is Nietzsi. And that's been… and that's wonderful, and it's been funded for a long time through 259 00:33:19.810 --> 00:33:22.890 Speaker 5 (Quinlan Conference Room): ArchSG, or one of our fundings. 260 00:33:23.760 --> 00:33:35.149 Speaker 5 (Quinlan Conference Room): Anyway, just thinking that, that might be something… I guess I should talk to our fellow commissioners, too. That might be something that we would want to ask the, city to 261 00:33:35.560 --> 00:33:38.719 Speaker 5 (Quinlan Conference Room): Consider, is to be on that action. 262 00:33:38.980 --> 00:33:44.440 Speaker 5 (Quinlan Conference Room): I think the Housing Commission as a whole want to have that discussion and. 263 00:33:44.440 --> 00:33:47.030 Speaker 7 (Quinlan Conference Room): Okay. 264 00:33:47.340 --> 00:33:56.950 Speaker 7 (Quinlan Conference Room): Okay. …position as a whole, concerning. 265 00:33:56.950 --> 00:33:59.490 Speaker 15 (Quinlan Conference Room): do that? That's the will of the Commission. 266 00:33:59.930 --> 00:34:00.680 Speaker 15 (Quinlan Conference Room): Okay. 267 00:34:00.980 --> 00:34:13.680 Speaker 1 (Quinlan Conference Room): I read the memo that, Nikki, you mentioned, that status of homelessness in Cupertino in March 2026, was uploaded in the city website. That was really useful for me. 268 00:34:14.300 --> 00:34:19.159 Speaker 1 (Quinlan Conference Room): I mean, given the facts, basically, right? Yeah. So, 269 00:34:19.380 --> 00:34:30.650 Speaker 1 (Quinlan Conference Room): Yeah, we could table it as an agenda item in the future to discuss more, if we can come up with strategies of what can be done. Look at that. That can be definitely done, yeah. Okay. 270 00:34:32.710 --> 00:34:34.240 Speaker 5 (Quinlan Conference Room): And the other thing that 271 00:34:34.550 --> 00:34:49.299 Speaker 5 (Quinlan Conference Room): having to do with the same topic is that, later on, I would… under inter-agenda setting, I do have something written up for, considering as an agenda item for… for the future, and so if you would like to… 272 00:34:49.590 --> 00:34:52.680 Speaker 5 (Quinlan Conference Room): This is what I have written up. Okay. If… let's say that. 273 00:34:52.685 --> 00:34:55.504 Speaker 4 (Quinlan Conference Room): Yeah, well, that's thumbs up. 274 00:34:55.514 --> 00:35:04.184 Speaker 5 (Quinlan Conference Room): Oh, you mean just save it till later? Yeah, we'll have that. 275 00:35:04.190 --> 00:35:06.459 Speaker 8 (Quinlan Conference Room): Would you make the public comfortable. 276 00:35:07.360 --> 00:35:09.519 Speaker 8 (Quinlan Conference Room): That's, for public comment. 277 00:35:09.520 --> 00:35:21.890 Speaker 2 (Quinlan Conference Room): We have two speakers, Dean Everson and Linda Hitchcock. Our first speaker is Dean. Oh, and we have one speaker remotely, Georgia Bay Seal. So, Dean? 278 00:35:22.690 --> 00:35:27.030 Speaker 2 (Quinlan Conference Room): And then just one sec while I bring up the timer. 279 00:35:35.480 --> 00:35:36.200 Speaker 2 (Quinlan Conference Room): Sweet. 280 00:35:40.520 --> 00:35:43.320 Speaker 2 (Quinlan Conference Room): Okay, go ahead. Wonderful, thank you. 281 00:35:43.325 --> 00:35:50.454 Speaker 6 (Quinlan Conference Room): Everton with Rebuilding Together Silicon Valley, and I wanted to just take an opportunity to thank you all for your support. 282 00:35:50.460 --> 00:35:52.060 Speaker 9 (Quinlan Conference Room): of, 283 00:35:52.240 --> 00:36:05.949 Speaker 9 (Quinlan Conference Room): the work that we've done over the years with Cupertino residents to help keep them affordably housed, and to invest in our affordable housing stock that we do have. It's said that the most affordable home is the one that you live in. 284 00:36:06.140 --> 00:36:12.280 Speaker 9 (Quinlan Conference Room): Emphasizing the benefits of a secure place to build equity and live without housing insecurity. 285 00:36:12.440 --> 00:36:26.710 Speaker 9 (Quinlan Conference Room): It's also proven that home preservation is the best and most affordable housing option for many low- income households, costing about 26 times more to build a new affordable housing unit than it is to repair an existing one. 286 00:36:27.750 --> 00:36:46.089 Speaker 9 (Quinlan Conference Room): The work we do is a relatively low investment to restore homes to safe and healthy living environments so that people can raise their families there, age in place, grow old, and hopefully thrive in place, and to be able to keep that hard-earned wealth asset in their family for generations to come. 287 00:36:47.110 --> 00:36:56.809 Speaker 9 (Quinlan Conference Room): The repairs that we make are not cosmetic, they are vital repairs that help to store significant pieces of the home, like replacing a roof. 288 00:36:56.820 --> 00:37:07.699 Speaker 9 (Quinlan Conference Room): That, is failing, or unsafe plumbing and electrical systems, or installing modifications like grab bars, ramps, or a wheelchair lift. 289 00:37:08.120 --> 00:37:14.200 Speaker 9 (Quinlan Conference Room): But even more important than the types and number of repairs that we do are the long-term impacts. 290 00:37:14.360 --> 00:37:18.709 Speaker 9 (Quinlan Conference Room): 80% of our clients report less financial stress. 291 00:37:18.940 --> 00:37:21.740 Speaker 9 (Quinlan Conference Room): 75% said their mental health… 292 00:37:22.580 --> 00:37:30.529 Speaker 9 (Quinlan Conference Room): 65% felt more included in their neighborhood, with 75% expressing an increased pride in their home. 293 00:37:30.960 --> 00:37:36.279 Speaker 9 (Quinlan Conference Room): And 36% said their health improved after the repairs that we did. 294 00:37:36.520 --> 00:37:44.910 Speaker 9 (Quinlan Conference Room): So again, I want to thank you for believing in the work that we do, repairing one Cupertino home at a time, and we look forward to our continued partnership. 295 00:37:48.930 --> 00:37:51.889 Speaker 2 (Quinlan Conference Room): Okay, our next speaker is Linda Hitchcock. 296 00:37:53.270 --> 00:38:00.149 Speaker 3 (Quinlan Conference Room): Hi, I'm Linda Hitchcock. I am with Live Oak Adult Day Services. I'm the Ambassador of Clients and Partnerships, and I. 297 00:38:00.150 --> 00:38:06.299 Speaker 10 (Quinlan Conference Room): I'm here representing our Executive Director, Sumi Yasakawa, who had to go to Japan 298 00:38:06.390 --> 00:38:20.690 Speaker 10 (Quinlan Conference Room): Kind of quickly. So, I'm just going to read this, and heartfelt for me also. I, represent Adult Day Services. We have been a trusted provider for older adults in Santa Clara County for 4 decades. 299 00:38:20.870 --> 00:38:26.169 Speaker 10 (Quinlan Conference Room): And I'm here to express our sincere appreciation and to request continued support. 300 00:38:26.340 --> 00:38:30.140 Speaker 10 (Quinlan Conference Room): The older adults we serve among the Cupertinos most valuable. 301 00:38:30.340 --> 00:38:33.220 Speaker 10 (Quinlan Conference Room): Our participants are seniors with dementia. 302 00:38:33.510 --> 00:38:46.730 Speaker 10 (Quinlan Conference Room): who want to remain in their homes and stay connected to their community, but who cannot do so without daily support. Our organization provides the support, structured programming, socialization is embedded in all of our 303 00:38:46.730 --> 00:38:54.899 Speaker 10 (Quinlan Conference Room): Programming, health monitoring, and respite for family caregivers who would otherwise face impossible choices between work and care. 304 00:38:55.210 --> 00:39:06.809 Speaker 10 (Quinlan Conference Room): CDBG recognizes people like our organization. It explicitly prioritized housing stability, supportive services, and investments that benefit extremely low- and moderate-income households. 305 00:39:06.940 --> 00:39:11.470 Speaker 10 (Quinlan Conference Room): For our participants, housing stability and daily care are inseparable. 306 00:39:11.650 --> 00:39:20.880 Speaker 10 (Quinlan Conference Room): The results speak for themselves. Last program year, CDVG funds helped Live Oaks serve 42 families in Cupertino. They are individuals 307 00:39:21.000 --> 00:39:23.820 Speaker 10 (Quinlan Conference Room): Who were able to stay safely in their homes. 308 00:39:23.960 --> 00:39:26.160 Speaker 10 (Quinlan Conference Room): And families who had a lifeline. 309 00:39:26.610 --> 00:39:34.870 Speaker 10 (Quinlan Conference Room): That may sound like a modest number, but I can tell you that for each of those people and their families, this program providing 6 hours a day respite was everything. 310 00:39:35.220 --> 00:39:51.130 Speaker 10 (Quinlan Conference Room): Commissioners, this funding matters beyond what it directly provides. When a city like Cupertino invests in our organization like CDBG, it sends a signal to the broader philanthropic community. Your vote of confidence serves as a powerful endorsement 311 00:39:51.240 --> 00:39:56.840 Speaker 10 (Quinlan Conference Room): It allows us to approach funders, Foundations, individual donors, and other 312 00:39:57.090 --> 00:40:04.279 Speaker 10 (Quinlan Conference Room): funders with credibility. It tells them that Live Oak has been vetted, trusted, and deemed worthy of public investment. 313 00:40:04.480 --> 00:40:09.189 Speaker 10 (Quinlan Conference Room): That, in turn, unlocked additional dollars that stretched every public dollar further. 314 00:40:09.440 --> 00:40:12.130 Speaker 10 (Quinlan Conference Room): City support catalyzes our funding. 315 00:40:12.310 --> 00:40:14.410 Speaker 10 (Quinlan Conference Room): We also want to say thank you. 316 00:40:14.620 --> 00:40:21.109 Speaker 10 (Quinlan Conference Room): Thank you to the City of Cupertino's ongoing partnership for the consultative process that shaped this plan. 317 00:40:21.380 --> 00:40:24.889 Speaker 10 (Quinlan Conference Room): And for your commitment to Cupertino's most valuable residents. 318 00:40:25.000 --> 00:40:28.030 Speaker 10 (Quinlan Conference Room): Live Oak is proud to be part of this community of care. 319 00:40:30.350 --> 00:40:31.360 Speaker 10 (Quinlan Conference Room): Thank you. 320 00:40:32.120 --> 00:40:35.809 Speaker 2 (Quinlan Conference Room): Linda, our next speaker is Georgia Basile. 321 00:40:36.970 --> 00:40:38.530 Speaker 2 (Quinlan Conference Room): Welcome, Georgia. 322 00:40:39.690 --> 00:40:40.730 Georgia Bacil: Good evening. 323 00:40:40.830 --> 00:40:47.660 Georgia Bacil: Georgia Basile, Directing Attorney of Senior Adults Legal Assistance, or SALA, as you know us. 324 00:40:47.660 --> 00:41:11.059 Georgia Bacil: We provide free legal services to Cupertino residents 60 or older, targeting clients that are low income or at risk of abuse or loss of independence. We provide our services locally, at appointments at Cupertino Senior Center, and by phone for clients that cannot leave their homes or with emergencies. We are a current human service grantee, and we thank you. 325 00:41:11.060 --> 00:41:16.309 Georgia Bacil: Your funding supports expanded availability of our services to Cupertino seniors. 326 00:41:16.440 --> 00:41:25.009 Georgia Bacil: We were mentioned in the 2026-27 Action Plan under elderly Services, so I'd like to share with you what we do. 327 00:41:25.010 --> 00:41:49.860 Georgia Bacil: As attorneys, we address a range of critical matters impacting our clients' lives. For example, we address income insecurity by assisting clients with problems involving public benefits they rely on to meet their basic needs. And these are legal problems related to Social Security, SSI, Medicare, and Medi-Cal. We address housing instability by assisting clients worried about eviction. 328 00:41:50.040 --> 00:41:56.799 Georgia Bacil: Clients needing reasonable accommodations in their housing, or clients whose housing is otherwise in jeopardy. 329 00:41:56.800 --> 00:42:12.770 Georgia Bacil: We address loss of autonomy by assisting clients with very basic legal planning for the future to help them agent place by assisting them to appoint someone they trust now to step in and manage their affairs when they can no longer do so. 330 00:42:12.780 --> 00:42:19.320 Georgia Bacil: And we address elder abuse and domestic violence by assisting clients that are victims of abuse. 331 00:42:19.340 --> 00:42:23.260 Georgia Bacil: Usually by someone living in their homes, or someone they know. 332 00:42:23.380 --> 00:42:47.279 Georgia Bacil: We cannot charge fees for our services or accept fee- generating cases under the Older Americans Act. The primary way we support our services is through grants like your Human Services Grant, and we very much appreciate that. Your funding has helped us provide the highest level of service possible to Cupertino residents this year, and we thank you so much for that support. 333 00:42:51.830 --> 00:42:55.550 Speaker 2 (Quinlan Conference Room): Thank you, Georgia. Our next speaker is Carol Kahn. 334 00:42:57.390 --> 00:43:00.319 Speaker 2 (Quinlan Conference Room): Hi, I'm Carol Conn, I'm the Executive Director of Project Sentinel. 335 00:43:00.325 --> 00:43:06.274 Speaker 5 (Quinlan Conference Room): We've been in partnership with the City of Cupertino a dozen years now, providing. 336 00:43:06.280 --> 00:43:14.580 Speaker 11 (Quinlan Conference Room): Fair Housing Services, as well as, tenant landlord dispute resolution, which works proactively to prevent or deactiv. 337 00:43:14.585 --> 00:43:25.845 Speaker 12 (Quinlan Conference Room): escalate the kinds of conflicts that lead to eviction and homelessness. We're especially grateful to the City of Cupertino this year. We do have plans for additional outreach and workshops. 338 00:43:25.845 --> 00:43:33.595 Speaker 13 (Quinlan Conference Room): Thanks to the, bump and increase in funding, that has been recommended. 339 00:43:33.965 --> 00:43:41.544 Speaker 13 (Quinlan Conference Room): We, regarding our fair housing activities, again, just to reacquaint everybody, we, work to remove the discriminatory. 340 00:43:41.545 --> 00:43:43.045 Speaker 12 (Quinlan Conference Room): barriers and practices. 341 00:43:43.045 --> 00:43:43.805 Speaker 13 (Quinlan Conference Room): and housing. 342 00:43:43.805 --> 00:43:44.914 Speaker 11 (Quinlan Conference Room): We invite. 343 00:43:44.920 --> 00:43:45.340 Speaker 13 (Quinlan Conference Room): investigate. 344 00:43:45.340 --> 00:43:46.819 Speaker 11 (Quinlan Conference Room): Housing Complaints of this. 345 00:43:46.825 --> 00:43:55.795 Speaker 13 (Quinlan Conference Room): We conduct systemic audits or testing for operational discrimination in the community, and we seek redress 346 00:43:55.795 --> 00:44:13.404 Speaker 13 (Quinlan Conference Room): redress to victims of discrimination through enforcement under state and federal laws. We also conduct community outreach to inform people of what it is that we do, our free services therein, and we also educate property providers, property managers, and landlords around the fair housing standards. 347 00:44:13.405 --> 00:44:13.915 Speaker 12 (Quinlan Conference Room): for complete. 348 00:44:13.920 --> 00:44:14.345 Georgia Bacil: Nice. 349 00:44:15.290 --> 00:44:25.339 Speaker 13 (Quinlan Conference Room): Our program supports, as I said, the de-escalation of housing conflicts to do whatever we can to stabilize that housing and prevent displacement or an eviction. 350 00:44:25.340 --> 00:44:38.589 Speaker 13 (Quinlan Conference Room): Again, we are privileged to be in partnership with the City of Cupertino. We thank you for, again, the recommendations to serve another year. We look forward to doing that every day. Thank you. Thank you. 351 00:44:38.840 --> 00:44:43.229 Speaker 2 (Quinlan Conference Room): We have no remaining speakers in person, and no hands raised on the signature. 352 00:44:45.510 --> 00:44:46.780 Speaker 2 (Quinlan Conference Room): Goshes? 353 00:44:49.860 --> 00:44:58.440 Speaker 1 (Quinlan Conference Room): I have one comment. There was, the public comment period of 30 days, Said those new comments received. 354 00:44:59.020 --> 00:45:02.200 Speaker 1 (Quinlan Conference Room): I was surprised. 355 00:45:02.860 --> 00:45:06.719 Speaker 1 (Quinlan Conference Room): So, was there adequate outreach to pick… 356 00:45:06.830 --> 00:45:12.500 Speaker 1 (Quinlan Conference Room): public even now, or, you know? We did publish notices in the newspaper. 357 00:45:12.505 --> 00:45:26.085 Speaker 3 (Quinlan Conference Room): We publish physical copies of City Hall and at the library. We have an outreach list of service providers and regional organizations that we maintain that we sent it out to, and we sent multiple reminders about the meeting. 358 00:45:26.565 --> 00:45:27.954 Speaker 1 (Quinlan Conference Room): It could be that. 359 00:45:27.960 --> 00:45:38.750 Speaker 4 (Quinlan Conference Room): you know, this is essentially kind of rubber-stamping the decision that the Housing Commission made on March, and then the City Council reaffirmed, right? So, a lot of people have gotten their comments out. 360 00:45:39.060 --> 00:45:44.219 Speaker 4 (Quinlan Conference Room): Already in the first two meetings? I see. Yeah, that tends to happen. 361 00:45:44.225 --> 00:45:45.145 Speaker 1 (Quinlan Conference Room): unusual. 362 00:45:45.315 --> 00:45:47.325 Speaker 8 (Quinlan Conference Room): No, for the fun. 363 00:45:47.325 --> 00:45:50.374 Speaker 4 (Quinlan Conference Room): Sometimes we still get more comments anyways, right? 364 00:45:52.770 --> 00:45:56.960 Speaker 1 (Quinlan Conference Room): All right, do we have a… should we do ask for a motion for approval? 365 00:45:58.420 --> 00:46:01.859 Speaker 5 (Quinlan Conference Room): I can approve, approval of… 366 00:46:02.980 --> 00:46:05.949 Speaker 5 (Quinlan Conference Room): Yeah, approval of the report? Okay. 367 00:46:06.270 --> 00:46:08.450 Speaker 1 (Quinlan Conference Room): A second? 368 00:46:08.590 --> 00:46:09.710 Speaker 1 (Quinlan Conference Room): No sabotem. 369 00:46:11.090 --> 00:46:13.300 Speaker 1 (Quinlan Conference Room): Okay. Commissioner Cunningham? 370 00:46:13.470 --> 00:46:14.420 Speaker 1 (Quinlan Conference Room): Aye. 371 00:46:15.630 --> 00:46:22.640 Speaker 2 (Quinlan Conference Room): Commissioner Shrikathi is absent. Commissioner Jindy is absent, Vice Chair Joes? Aye. Chair Ryan? Aye. 372 00:46:22.770 --> 00:46:24.829 Speaker 2 (Quinlan Conference Room): Motion carries unanimously. 373 00:46:37.380 --> 00:46:40.790 Speaker 1 (Quinlan Conference Room): We have… moving on to agenda item number 3. 374 00:46:42.290 --> 00:46:48.740 Speaker 1 (Quinlan Conference Room): The study session for strategies to meet affordable housing, regional housing needs allocation. 375 00:46:48.930 --> 00:46:53.670 Speaker 1 (Quinlan Conference Room): Goes for the 2023 to 2031 Housing Elevance. 376 00:46:54.940 --> 00:46:58.760 Speaker 1 (Quinlan Conference Room): Receiving a presentation? We do. 377 00:47:01.000 --> 00:47:04.669 Speaker 1 (Quinlan Conference Room): I'll go. Alright, good evening. 378 00:47:04.675 --> 00:47:17.034 Speaker 4 (Quinlan Conference Room): I'm Chair in the Housing Commission. My name is Nikki Meyer for tonight, we've set up a session to identify additional sites for low-income housing and the Housing Element Inventory. 379 00:47:17.145 --> 00:47:24.974 Speaker 4 (Quinlan Conference Room): We're gonna start with a little bit of background on what that is, because I understand we have some new commissioners on… serving on the board. 380 00:47:24.975 --> 00:47:32.945 Speaker 4 (Quinlan Conference Room): The housing element is a state- acquired long-range plan, for each city and county to produce, right, since 1969. 381 00:47:32.945 --> 00:47:47.885 Speaker 4 (Quinlan Conference Room): And there's a long-range frame to anticipate and meet affordable housing goals, right? And we do this in a number of ways. It's through our land use, primarily, but also through funding that we provide programs and then policies, right, that we adopt into our code. 382 00:47:48.005 --> 00:48:04.554 Speaker 4 (Quinlan Conference Room): The housing element is one chapter within something known as the general plan for the city, right? There's multiple elements within the general plan. One of many chapters, however, it is unique in that it has to be periodically updated for something known as the RENA. 383 00:48:04.775 --> 00:48:09.835 Speaker 4 (Quinlan Conference Room): So what is the RENA? RENA is something that stands for Regional Housing Needs Allocation. 384 00:48:10.485 --> 00:48:30.124 Speaker 4 (Quinlan Conference Room): It is… it is a quota, essentially, that is assigned to cities by HCD, the State Department of Housing and Community Development, to cities and counties for the purpose of each jurisdiction providing their own fair share of housing, right? And so that various income levels of equitable, measurable housing to meet population and economic growth. 385 00:48:30.245 --> 00:48:36.395 Speaker 4 (Quinlan Conference Room): So, what that means, in a nutshell, bigger cities get a bigger arena than smaller cities. 386 00:48:36.795 --> 00:48:42.255 Speaker 4 (Quinlan Conference Room): And then also, High-income cities will have a higher unit than, say, lower-income cities. 387 00:48:43.315 --> 00:48:55.184 Speaker 4 (Quinlan Conference Room): So, on this, slide, we have our current REMA assignment, right, for the 2023 to 2031 housing development cycle. You see a breakdown? There's four income categories that we have to meet. 388 00:48:55.315 --> 00:48:57.154 Speaker 4 (Quinlan Conference Room): Very low-income housing? 389 00:48:57.425 --> 00:49:02.324 Speaker 4 (Quinlan Conference Room): Which is anything below 50% of the environment. Low-income housing, between 50% to 80. 390 00:49:02.425 --> 00:49:19.465 Speaker 4 (Quinlan Conference Room): moderate, 80 to 120, and then above moderate. So above 120, by the way, so it's market rate, right? Similarly, this is just the only… like, singularly as arena, you can really think about it as, like, four different requirements, right? We need to make sure we meet the requirement in four different categories at all times. 391 00:49:20.845 --> 00:49:22.574 Speaker 4 (Quinlan Conference Room): This is an example. 392 00:49:22.595 --> 00:49:36.945 Speaker 4 (Quinlan Conference Room): of the zoning map. This was created, when our housing development was certified in 2024 that, identified, right, some priority housing sites to be, rezoned and identified as opportunity sites for affordable housing. 393 00:49:36.945 --> 00:49:47.594 Speaker 4 (Quinlan Conference Room): We see there's a spot in the middle that's kind of carved out. That is the heart of the city-specific plan, which is centered around Sleeping Street Boulevard. It has the most, right, affordable housing size. 394 00:49:47.605 --> 00:49:51.564 Speaker 4 (Quinlan Conference Room): housing element sites identified. That's not really… 395 00:49:51.715 --> 00:49:57.525 Speaker 4 (Quinlan Conference Room): necessary for tonight, right? This is just to give you an example of what can come out of this process, right? 396 00:49:57.705 --> 00:50:16.665 Speaker 4 (Quinlan Conference Room): Why? Because we have to do periodic inventory maintenance. It's not just done once we get certified. According to government code 65863, you don't have to memorize it, don't worry. It's a state law that makes that local governments must maintain adequate capacity to meet the obligations throughout the site. 397 00:50:17.345 --> 00:50:30.224 Speaker 4 (Quinlan Conference Room): Not just at the beginning. And so, what that means is, like, if there are priority housing sites that do not produce housing at the expected densities that we have in our home, the city has 180 days to identify and make available replacement sites. 398 00:50:31.115 --> 00:50:42.905 Speaker 4 (Quinlan Conference Room): So let's talk about Cupertino's progress. We were certified on September 4th, 2024, right? And our RENA requirement is going to be active until 2031, right? After that, presumably, we'll be getting a new RENA and new goals to meet. 399 00:50:42.945 --> 00:50:56.224 Speaker 4 (Quinlan Conference Room): So far, proposals have been for medium-density townhomes, right, on most of our sites, despite our zoning allowing for higher density rental, right? So, rental projects 400 00:50:56.405 --> 00:50:59.434 Speaker 4 (Quinlan Conference Room): Through our inclusionary housing laws. 401 00:50:59.625 --> 00:51:08.484 Speaker 4 (Quinlan Conference Room): produce very well in low-income units as a part of that development, right, by design. But townhomes are ownership, which means they are producing moderate income. 402 00:51:09.225 --> 00:51:21.674 Speaker 4 (Quinlan Conference Room): That's… that's different from our expectation, number one. And the other thing that is kind of different in our expectations is the Valpo Rise proposal, the project, has recently been resubmitted under new SD423 guidelines. 403 00:51:22.145 --> 00:51:30.255 Speaker 4 (Quinlan Conference Room): that has large reduction for expected low and very low-income provisions, right? So that is to say. 404 00:51:30.755 --> 00:51:45.385 Speaker 4 (Quinlan Conference Room): We are looking to identify additional sites, right, to continue meeting this goal. So, for our process and what we're talking about tonight, right, the Housing Commission is the advisory body to City Council that provides recommendations for meeting affordable housing goals. 405 00:51:45.725 --> 00:51:54.565 Speaker 4 (Quinlan Conference Room): Beanie Arena is definitely an affordable hospital, right? So we're going to be asking you guys to talk about strategies to generate additional arena capacity, specifically 406 00:51:54.725 --> 00:52:12.755 Speaker 4 (Quinlan Conference Room): So, very wealth and low-income housing, right? What we're not asking you guys to do tonight is to start assessing sites, right? Not… we're not talking about specific sites, we're not talking about specific zoning for those sites, specific land use for those sites, that is for the Planning Commission, right? And that will happen at their meeting. That will be happening at a different day. 407 00:52:14.165 --> 00:52:30.095 Speaker 4 (Quinlan Conference Room): All right, so, we've prepared a couple of proposed strategies, right, to start the discussion. We'll go over them now. Number one, owner slash developer interest sites. That means the person who owns a site really, really wants to do housing on their site that they own. 408 00:52:30.095 --> 00:52:41.704 Speaker 4 (Quinlan Conference Room): This is considered by ACD as a site that has the highest feasibility for redevelopment, and what I mean by that is, you know, when we identify sites, we have to submit this list of sites to ACD for them to accept it. 409 00:52:42.205 --> 00:52:50.155 Speaker 4 (Quinlan Conference Room): And so that is what they consider to be sites, the highest feasibility and reasonable amount. So generally speaking, neither sites will have the highest resolution. 410 00:52:50.385 --> 00:52:51.805 Speaker 4 (Quinlan Conference Room): In a size inventory. 411 00:52:53.435 --> 00:53:02.075 Speaker 4 (Quinlan Conference Room): Another strategy… one strategy. Another strategy is major corridors, right? So the major arterials in the city. 412 00:53:02.175 --> 00:53:20.304 Speaker 4 (Quinlan Conference Room): They typically have pre-existing transit accessibility, underlying infrastructure, they have proximity to a lot of community resources that makes it a good opportunity for housing development, right? That also aligns with our city's kind of sustainability and transportation goals, right? We want to increase density where it makes the most sense. 413 00:53:20.305 --> 00:53:30.645 Speaker 4 (Quinlan Conference Room): And so what a major corridor, you can imagine, is a place next to Stevens Creek Boulevard, Bienza Boulevard, Wolf Road, Homestead Avenue, and potentially more, right, if the Housing Commission suggests more. 414 00:53:32.285 --> 00:53:45.405 Speaker 4 (Quinlan Conference Room): The third strategy to look at is underperforming commercial, right? So, our current housing proposals that have been coming in have all been on underperforming commercial sites, and they have a lot of similarities, right? In the existing site use, they're… 415 00:53:45.475 --> 00:54:01.465 Speaker 4 (Quinlan Conference Room): Older building stock, right? Older than 20 years, number one. Two, single story in height. Three, conjoined to a very, very large parking lot. And these are all Class C commercial buildings that are just kind of right for your development. So, looking at this strategy is really considering, you know, high economic feasibility. 416 00:54:01.785 --> 00:54:02.985 Speaker 4 (Quinlan Conference Room): for redevelopment. 417 00:54:04.715 --> 00:54:16.965 Speaker 4 (Quinlan Conference Room): This last item I want to add is not necessarily a strategy for finding new sites, but it's just something to consider that we might want to recommend, right? Which is thinking about minimum density, right? Because if we're going to suggest new sites, it… 418 00:54:17.375 --> 00:54:35.445 Speaker 4 (Quinlan Conference Room): benefits us to try to prevent them coming in as more townhomes, which come in at the lowest end of allowable density, right? And… but by design, they are lower density than, say, apartments, because they have to be on individually subdividable lots. So if you try to explore a higher minimum density. 419 00:54:35.445 --> 00:54:41.014 Speaker 4 (Quinlan Conference Room): You can try to ensure that we produce a sufficient amount of units, right, on additional sites. 420 00:54:42.665 --> 00:54:55.214 Speaker 4 (Quinlan Conference Room): Then finally, other strategies, right? This is a study session. The Housing Commission is encouraging to readjust other strategies, which may have not been provided by staff tonight. We just want to, also give a disclaimer, right? This recommendation 421 00:54:55.425 --> 00:55:11.574 Speaker 4 (Quinlan Conference Room): may or may not be reaffirmed, right? They may be discontinued by the Planning Commission, because they will be assessing those individual sites for inclusion, and by the line of that process, they may decide to either affirm your decision, right, or they might decide to go in a different direction. That's what they decide. 422 00:55:13.275 --> 00:55:14.404 Speaker 4 (Quinlan Conference Room): But yeah, so… 423 00:55:14.655 --> 00:55:28.544 Speaker 4 (Quinlan Conference Room): For next steps after tonight, right, we're going to take any suggestions that we get to our consultant who are trying to identify new sites, and hopefully we'll have a list for Planning Commission at a future meeting, which will be taken to City Council, and hopefully for submittal to HCD. 424 00:55:28.565 --> 00:55:41.785 Speaker 4 (Quinlan Conference Room): And also, we have another staff in attendance tonight, Connelly, our Assistant Director, who is kind of like our lead on all of our long-reach efforts, particularly general plan and housing only, and he'll be here. He will answer any questions you have, hopefully that I can. 425 00:55:43.025 --> 00:55:44.925 Speaker 4 (Quinlan Conference Room): So we'd like to open it now to the Commission. 426 00:55:46.665 --> 00:55:50.295 Speaker 4 (Quinlan Conference Room): clarifying questions. Some clarifying questions. 427 00:55:53.200 --> 00:56:03.250 Speaker 1 (Quinlan Conference Room): I have a… You talked about, like, the drug units being reduced, like, especially at Rice, after we submitted. 428 00:56:03.360 --> 00:56:06.450 Speaker 1 (Quinlan Conference Room): The initial, plans, right? 429 00:56:06.770 --> 00:56:11.269 Speaker 1 (Quinlan Conference Room): Because you're resubmitting under a different SB. 430 00:56:12.850 --> 00:56:21.629 Speaker 1 (Quinlan Conference Room): So, the… and this is all state- mandated, right? So… but the state is the one that's mandating more housing. 431 00:56:22.780 --> 00:56:36.979 Speaker 1 (Quinlan Conference Room): Why are they providing… I may be mistaken in my interpretation, so excuse me. I feel like the state is mandating more housing, but they're also providing loopholes for developers to reduce 432 00:56:37.400 --> 00:56:39.180 Speaker 1 (Quinlan Conference Room): That, density. 433 00:56:40.660 --> 00:56:44.310 Speaker 1 (Quinlan Conference Room): Right? It seems like, I don't know. 434 00:56:44.315 --> 00:56:45.095 Speaker 8 (Quinlan Conference Room): Well, I just went to the. 435 00:56:45.095 --> 00:56:46.654 Speaker 4 (Quinlan Conference Room): There's nothing considered. 436 00:56:46.655 --> 00:56:51.355 Speaker 1 (Quinlan Conference Room): 10 about housing laws at all. So, the goals that the state wants and the. 437 00:56:51.355 --> 00:56:58.154 Speaker 14 (Quinlan Conference Room): ways that they try to reach them don't align too often. I think the one common denominator is 438 00:56:58.395 --> 00:57:07.494 Speaker 14 (Quinlan Conference Room): They're trying to promote housing development. But you're right, when you look at… the RHNA number was over 4 times greater than the last housing cycle. 439 00:57:07.785 --> 00:57:09.735 Speaker 14 (Quinlan Conference Room): We upzoned. 440 00:57:09.895 --> 00:57:16.124 Speaker 14 (Quinlan Conference Room): Almost the capacity for 5,900 units, so we overshot it by 27-28. 441 00:57:18.225 --> 00:57:24.605 Speaker 14 (Quinlan Conference Room): But, yeah, one of the things when Nikki touched on it, we had a few factors, is you had a number of developers 442 00:57:25.405 --> 00:57:32.014 Speaker 14 (Quinlan Conference Room): When our housing… before our housing element was certified, they submitted applications to lock in a lower density 443 00:57:32.135 --> 00:57:35.925 Speaker 14 (Quinlan Conference Room): Under SB330, which they can do, so that freezes 444 00:57:36.115 --> 00:57:42.204 Speaker 14 (Quinlan Conference Room): the regulations at that point in time. So we had a number of the half a dozen or so sites that have been approved. 445 00:57:42.505 --> 00:57:45.094 Speaker 14 (Quinlan Conference Room): Came in lower than what was allowed. 446 00:57:45.265 --> 00:57:54.724 Speaker 14 (Quinlan Conference Room): And they're all… they've all been town… so the density is typically 17 to 21, 22 units per acre, nothing higher than that. 447 00:57:55.345 --> 00:57:57.805 Speaker 14 (Quinlan Conference Room): Then, even when we had 448 00:57:58.665 --> 00:58:10.334 Speaker 14 (Quinlan Conference Room): the sites that did develop in the density range, which for townhomes is 20 to 35, they're all right around 20. No one's pushing much beyond that, so we're not getting 35. 449 00:58:10.605 --> 00:58:14.605 Speaker 14 (Quinlan Conference Room): And of the housing element sites, so there's 58 of them. 450 00:58:15.145 --> 00:58:18.784 Speaker 14 (Quinlan Conference Room): About 70%, 40 of them were… 451 00:58:18.905 --> 00:58:23.445 Speaker 14 (Quinlan Conference Room): A minimum 50 per acre or greater, from 50 to 80. 452 00:58:23.555 --> 00:58:33.944 Speaker 14 (Quinlan Conference Room): We're not getting any development in that range. We only have one application that's for high density, that hasn't been approved yet, and that's such actually coming in well over 100 per acre. 453 00:58:34.365 --> 00:58:42.424 Speaker 14 (Quinlan Conference Room): So I think the one thing we know is there's this dead zone. There's about 20 per acre, and then if you're going to get a project that's higher than that, it's much higher than that. 454 00:58:42.905 --> 00:58:44.674 Speaker 14 (Quinlan Conference Room): So that's kind of where… 455 00:58:45.585 --> 00:58:57.095 Speaker 14 (Quinlan Conference Room): state and the arena, and this is not unique to Catino, it puts you in a very difficult situation to try to get their numbers. One other thing, I think, when you look at the chart. 456 00:58:57.285 --> 00:59:01.015 Speaker 14 (Quinlan Conference Room): A little over 57% of the units were affordable. 457 00:59:01.530 --> 00:59:03.279 Quinlan Conference Room: Either very low, low, or moderate. 458 00:59:04.640 --> 00:59:11.729 Speaker 14 (Quinlan Conference Room): Your BMR requirements, as Nikki had said earlier, are either 15% for rental or 20% for owner-occupied, so… 459 00:59:12.200 --> 00:59:16.380 Speaker 14 (Quinlan Conference Room): Part of the reason Cupertino's gotten to where we're looking for additional housing sites 460 00:59:17.210 --> 00:59:22.709 Speaker 14 (Quinlan Conference Room): One, even though we had a big buffer when we approved our housing element. 461 00:59:23.300 --> 00:59:32.440 Speaker 14 (Quinlan Conference Room): In the low and moderate income categories, the buffer was pretty low. We're way over a market rate. We have, like, a buffer of 1,000. So we knew we were close. 462 00:59:33.430 --> 00:59:47.550 Speaker 14 (Quinlan Conference Room): Second thing is we've gotten a lot of housing applications, so we're doing great with that. We have a lot of applications on file, and we've approved a lot. But each time you approve a project, you essentially lose capacity over what your housing element estimated. 463 00:59:48.190 --> 00:59:52.870 Speaker 14 (Quinlan Conference Room): So if your housing element's assuming higher proportions of low or moderate income. 464 00:59:53.020 --> 00:59:55.770 Speaker 14 (Quinlan Conference Room): And you can only require 15 or 20%. 465 00:59:56.120 --> 00:59:58.150 Speaker 14 (Quinlan Conference Room): Almost by approving housing. 466 00:59:58.470 --> 00:59:59.590 Speaker 14 (Quinlan Conference Room): hurt yourself. 467 01:00:00.640 --> 01:00:07.829 Speaker 14 (Quinlan Conference Room): Because the housing element is… it's a… it's an estimate exercise, you're looking ahead, so… That's, you know… 468 01:00:08.000 --> 01:00:16.059 Speaker 14 (Quinlan Conference Room): In HCD size, the more density you have, they presume that's going to be more affordable. That's sometimes true, sometimes not. 469 01:00:16.600 --> 01:00:20.840 Speaker 14 (Quinlan Conference Room): But… that's how we sort of gotten where we are. If you didn't have 470 01:00:21.150 --> 01:00:26.230 Speaker 14 (Quinlan Conference Room): Any applications come in to have this thing frozen in time, and it would look great. 471 01:00:26.740 --> 01:00:30.729 Speaker 14 (Quinlan Conference Room): But that's why we're already at a position where we're having to look at more sites. 472 01:00:31.030 --> 01:00:36.470 Speaker 14 (Quinlan Conference Room): And in Cupertino's situation, like most other Bay Area cities, that 473 01:00:37.170 --> 01:00:42.700 Speaker 14 (Quinlan Conference Room): If you're not looking at higher density sites along the corridor, you're going to keep looking for more sites. 474 01:00:42.970 --> 01:01:01.790 Speaker 14 (Quinlan Conference Room): Because small projects or projects that are very dense, don't really help the city with how large the numbers are these days. Thousands of units. So, things like ADUs help, because we get credit for them, but they can only make so much of a difference with the numbers we're talking about, so… 475 01:01:02.070 --> 01:01:13.839 Speaker 14 (Quinlan Conference Room): The strategies really aren't any different than what we looked at when we did the housing element a couple years ago. We tried to focus along Stevens Creek, De Anza, corridors like that, where you could get greater density. 476 01:01:14.470 --> 01:01:19.230 Speaker 14 (Quinlan Conference Room): And I think the other thing we've seen is where we have had projects… 477 01:01:19.500 --> 01:01:24.949 Speaker 14 (Quinlan Conference Room): In neighborhoods that are even coming in at townhome densities, there's even more opposition. 478 01:01:25.640 --> 01:01:32.450 Speaker 14 (Quinlan Conference Room): You don't really have the resources there, so they're further away from places you might want to go, jobs, stores, things like that. 479 01:01:33.220 --> 01:01:42.609 Speaker 14 (Quinlan Conference Room): But they are even more difficult to get through the approval process, because middle of a single-family neighborhood, a three-story townhome looks like really intense development. 480 01:01:42.910 --> 01:01:45.590 Speaker 14 (Quinlan Conference Room): Along Stevens Creek Boulevard less snow. 481 01:01:45.940 --> 01:01:53.790 Speaker 14 (Quinlan Conference Room): So, not much has really changed in our strategy. I think we just found out more what we already know, that mid-low densities 482 01:01:53.990 --> 01:01:56.510 Speaker 14 (Quinlan Conference Room): Not really helping us meet our freedom. 483 01:01:57.170 --> 01:02:02.019 Speaker 1 (Quinlan Conference Room): Okay, now that the city website, 484 01:02:02.740 --> 01:02:07.149 Speaker 1 (Quinlan Conference Room): This was uploaded, earlier in the month, I believe. 485 01:02:07.540 --> 01:02:11.349 Speaker 1 (Quinlan Conference Room): oh, each other. 486 01:02:11.600 --> 01:02:13.280 Speaker 1 (Quinlan Conference Room): It's just a, 487 01:02:14.730 --> 01:02:20.790 Speaker 1 (Quinlan Conference Room): No, the new landscape of housing law in California. It was uploaded, like, just a couple of weeks back. 488 01:02:21.310 --> 01:02:25.119 Speaker 1 (Quinlan Conference Room): In which, I believe, what it says is that 489 01:02:26.150 --> 01:02:30.349 Speaker 1 (Quinlan Conference Room): The city has zero power to… 490 01:02:31.630 --> 01:02:36.599 Speaker 1 (Quinlan Conference Room): disapprove an application, like, if something comes in for development. 491 01:02:37.910 --> 01:02:49.809 Speaker 1 (Quinlan Conference Room): You're very limited, yeah. Right? It's very difficult. Yeah, and then the developer is literally like, oh, if they have the application, if they meet all the checklist items, then you have to improve, kind of thing. 492 01:02:49.940 --> 01:02:53.630 Speaker 1 (Quinlan Conference Room): But again, how do you… 493 01:02:55.460 --> 01:03:06.380 Speaker 1 (Quinlan Conference Room): then there's no input from the community, which probably, I guess, many people will say no to having high-rise, you know, near the neighborhood. It's going to be harder. 494 01:03:06.500 --> 01:03:18.410 Speaker 1 (Quinlan Conference Room): So I guess the only places that you see are Stevens Creek Tenza Corridor, right? Beyond that, there doesn't seem to be anything else in Cupertina. 495 01:03:20.640 --> 01:03:32.209 Speaker 1 (Quinlan Conference Room): One thought I was thinking, schools were closing. Elementary schools, I think 3 closed in the past, or a couple of years back. What's happening to those sites? 496 01:03:33.250 --> 01:03:37.930 Speaker 1 (Quinlan Conference Room): Or are we able to, you know, do something with those? 497 01:03:38.440 --> 01:03:42.259 Speaker 14 (Quinlan Conference Room): I've got at least one where you've got a fairly successful private school. 498 01:03:42.550 --> 01:03:47.599 Speaker 14 (Quinlan Conference Room): Honestly, that seems to be one of those ongoing demands, is… 499 01:03:48.020 --> 01:03:57.010 Speaker 14 (Quinlan Conference Room): Even though school enrollment is declining throughout the county. Because of no people. People are not able to have a shift from public to private. Yes. 500 01:03:59.670 --> 01:04:05.390 Speaker 14 (Quinlan Conference Room): But I don't know any… in terms of housing sites, we don't have any on school property. 501 01:04:05.770 --> 01:04:07.869 Speaker 14 (Quinlan Conference Room): And I think a lot of it you'd have. 502 01:04:08.220 --> 01:04:11.570 Speaker 14 (Quinlan Conference Room): That same issue, if it's in the middle of a single-family neighborhood. 503 01:04:11.840 --> 01:04:16.140 Speaker 14 (Quinlan Conference Room): Density's only going to be so high, nothing beyond townhome density. 504 01:04:16.500 --> 01:04:20.389 Speaker 14 (Quinlan Conference Room): Right. And you're very likely going to get a lot of opposition. But at least the. 505 01:04:20.390 --> 01:04:29.030 Speaker 1 (Quinlan Conference Room): the land is there, you know? I mean, Dianza College took away an apartment complex, right, which was providing affordable housing. 506 01:04:29.340 --> 01:04:34.679 Speaker 1 (Quinlan Conference Room): I don't remember the number of units, but, you know, it went to… 507 01:04:34.880 --> 01:04:50.489 Speaker 1 (Quinlan Conference Room): the community college district. So, in reverse, why can't the city take a state-owned school, you know, if it's not going to be… they've closed it? Again, I don't know what's happening to the other closed school sites, but if it's available, that's. 508 01:04:50.495 --> 01:05:02.315 Speaker 14 (Quinlan Conference Room): Certainly, but I think, like, you know, Nikki had mentioned, too, owner interest is a big factor. You know, the city doesn't get to decide, hey, these are the sites we want, HCD has to… 509 01:05:02.605 --> 01:05:09.714 Speaker 14 (Quinlan Conference Room): So, if the school district, I think, were to come forward and want to do, like, a surplus land process and follow that process. 510 01:05:10.405 --> 01:05:15.625 Speaker 14 (Quinlan Conference Room): that could certainly happen. They're autonomous from the city, anyway. Yeah, I mean, there's. 511 01:05:15.625 --> 01:05:18.985 Speaker 1 (Quinlan Conference Room): So he could sell it to the school district, hey, this is for… 512 01:05:19.165 --> 01:05:28.995 Speaker 1 (Quinlan Conference Room): your teachers, or people who work in the district, right? Rather than saying it's housing, you know, just say, this is for 513 01:05:29.195 --> 01:05:32.355 Speaker 1 (Quinlan Conference Room): district teachers, because we know, like, Rice is doing. 514 01:05:32.705 --> 01:05:37.875 Speaker 1 (Quinlan Conference Room): Right? Having units for, district employees and teachers. 515 01:05:37.875 --> 01:05:39.395 Speaker 4 (Quinlan Conference Room): Oh, but yes. 516 01:05:39.395 --> 01:05:40.155 Speaker 14 (Quinlan Conference Room): That's what I did. 517 01:05:40.155 --> 01:05:51.495 Speaker 7 (Quinlan Conference Room): family development, but I think the different… the challenge here is that the school district owns the land, and the design process is processed through the state, so the state really doesn't have 518 01:05:51.575 --> 01:06:01.894 Speaker 7 (Quinlan Conference Room): authority in that process, we can make suggestions, certainly. Yeah. But if it doesn't suit this or how they want to utilize it, making sense. Of course, yeah. Yeah, if they wanted to sort of. 519 01:06:01.895 --> 01:06:05.204 Speaker 15 (Quinlan Conference Room): They absolutely can do it. 520 01:06:06.220 --> 01:06:08.480 Speaker 14 (Quinlan Conference Room): Does the grid symbol up for that? 521 01:06:08.485 --> 01:06:13.314 Speaker 4 (Quinlan Conference Room): Maybe that could be a strategy that they're suggesting, right? Allowing the zoning for a long time. 522 01:06:13.595 --> 01:06:16.844 Speaker 4 (Quinlan Conference Room): Flexible use for educational uses, but also, you know, for health. 523 01:06:17.305 --> 01:06:25.434 Speaker 14 (Quinlan Conference Room): Yeah, you'd have to rezone. Yeah, it's converting from a public school to a residential, whatever density, so, yeah. 524 01:06:25.435 --> 01:06:28.545 Speaker 4 (Quinlan Conference Room): That was the suggested strategy, I think that's what she's getting at. 525 01:06:29.600 --> 01:06:42.809 Speaker 1 (Quinlan Conference Room): So, you said, like, one of the closed schools is occupied by a private school, right? Like, you're talking about tessellations? That's what I was thinking. Who gets… I mean, what, they're paying, like, a lease money to who? To this? 526 01:06:42.815 --> 01:06:45.335 Speaker 15 (Quinlan Conference Room): school district. School district still owns the land. 527 01:06:45.340 --> 01:06:46.590 Speaker 14 (Quinlan Conference Room): Right, they're a tenant. 528 01:06:47.230 --> 01:06:54.790 Speaker 1 (Quinlan Conference Room): So the money goes to the state, typically. I mean, that's… I mean, the district, right? Goes to the school district, yeah. School district. 529 01:06:55.840 --> 01:06:59.009 Speaker 5 (Quinlan Conference Room): Could I ask the question? I was… before we get… 530 01:06:59.720 --> 01:07:12.920 Speaker 5 (Quinlan Conference Room): further into suggestions like that, which are very, very part of the whole deal. But, one of the things I was noticing in the new applicants, were that the homes, although considered 531 01:07:13.170 --> 01:07:16.909 Speaker 5 (Quinlan Conference Room): The two young family deputies, yeah, they're big. 532 01:07:16.915 --> 01:07:18.575 Speaker 11 (Quinlan Conference Room): houses, 2,000 square. 533 01:07:18.575 --> 01:07:36.235 Speaker 5 (Quinlan Conference Room): And so, one part of the question I don't actually need an answer right now, but… so, how does that become the 10 units that are moderate income? How do those be affordable to those folks? But anyway, a separate question. Don't need an answer. 534 01:07:36.245 --> 01:07:47.714 Speaker 5 (Quinlan Conference Room): Because what I'm reading to is that all of them have come in with that 2,000 or something square feet homes that are supposed to be all, you know, for young people coming in, and when we came in. 535 01:07:47.715 --> 01:08:02.544 Speaker 5 (Quinlan Conference Room): you know, 1600, 1500, 1300, those were… and even those weren't the smallest homes, you know, that, were available to, young families coming in. So it just astounds me a little bit. 536 01:08:02.925 --> 01:08:12.545 Speaker 5 (Quinlan Conference Room): obviously don't understand the mindset of developers, period. And so, my other question was, with Velcode. 537 01:08:13.005 --> 01:08:28.325 Speaker 5 (Quinlan Conference Room): I'll just call them that for ease. I did the, they send out their update on what they're doing. It was November 26th of 2025, and I did the calculations, and percent of the 538 01:08:28.564 --> 01:08:36.325 Speaker 5 (Quinlan Conference Room): This first tranche of when they're going to be built, they're 17% of them to be below market rate. 539 01:08:36.685 --> 01:08:53.305 Speaker 5 (Quinlan Conference Room): And then, when they get finished with all of the homes, the percent of the total is 13%, which is below our rental requirement, and… although I think it meets our purchase. But then, all of a sudden, ding, ding, ding, I went, oh my gosh! 540 01:08:53.354 --> 01:08:59.324 Speaker 5 (Quinlan Conference Room): It doesn't really say. It seems to kind of slide past that, like, are these rental units? 541 01:08:59.665 --> 01:09:14.625 Speaker 5 (Quinlan Conference Room): Like, I just was assuming they were, or have they now turned some of their, below-market homes into for-sale homes? And I don't know if you have that data. They're all rental. They're what? They're all rental, too. 542 01:09:14.625 --> 01:09:19.734 Speaker 14 (Quinlan Conference Room): They're either low or very low. There's no moderate or median. Oh, okay. 543 01:09:19.975 --> 01:09:42.784 Speaker 5 (Quinlan Conference Room): because of the way it was said, it just says, including 232 affordable family units and hundreds of market rate homes that will be offered for sale. It doesn't say that the below market rate are offered for rent. It's totally unclear, and I thought, because of all this other stuff that's going on, I made a bad assumption, right? Yeah, they… 544 01:09:42.790 --> 01:09:43.779 Speaker 14 (Quinlan Conference Room): stole. 545 01:09:44.390 --> 01:09:57.900 Speaker 14 (Quinlan Conference Room): 2,669 total units in the price. Yes, yes, that's… 350 units are affordable, split equally between low and very low, so it's like 178 very low, 178 low. 546 01:09:58.140 --> 01:09:59.869 Speaker 14 (Quinlan Conference Room): Is what they're at now. 547 01:10:00.180 --> 01:10:03.850 Speaker 14 (Quinlan Conference Room): When the project first came in, it was 50%. Right, it was 50%. 548 01:10:03.855 --> 01:10:06.915 Speaker 5 (Quinlan Conference Room): And now it's 13%, so that's… It's like 13 and a half. 549 01:10:06.915 --> 01:10:07.694 Speaker 16 (Quinlan Conference Room): There are… there are. 550 01:10:07.925 --> 01:10:09.115 Speaker 14 (Quinlan Conference Room): And third. 551 01:10:09.115 --> 01:10:22.575 Speaker 5 (Quinlan Conference Room): Yay, okay, thank you, thank you. Yeah, exactly right. Okay, well, anyway, so that answers that question. I don't know if you have a question about what are the sizes of these dental units? 552 01:10:22.575 --> 01:10:29.624 Speaker 14 (Quinlan Conference Room): I do not know, I've not looked at the floor plans. I think they're fairly small, affordable units. Okay, and… Under 1,000 square feet. 553 01:10:30.290 --> 01:10:36.370 Speaker 5 (Quinlan Conference Room): Maybe because they're the rentals, as opposed to these others, which have been going in, are for purchase. 554 01:10:36.840 --> 01:10:39.410 Speaker 5 (Quinlan Conference Room): moderate rate homes. 555 01:10:40.050 --> 01:10:48.029 Speaker 5 (Quinlan Conference Room): Okay, so that answers those questions, except for the part where… why there… oh, well, actually, we found out. Talk to me. 556 01:10:48.740 --> 01:11:01.070 Speaker 5 (Quinlan Conference Room): He said, oh my gosh, what's this deal with the 13%, and how can they get away with that, and all? And he said, like, what Matthew had said to us earlier was, those laws don't all 557 01:11:01.140 --> 01:11:08.880 Speaker 5 (Quinlan Conference Room): You know, do that thing, and they, at least she, the local folks, they're just interested in housing. 558 01:11:09.290 --> 01:11:23.049 Speaker 5 (Quinlan Conference Room): Period. And I was so disappointed. I did not know that YMB only cared about housing and not cared about below- market rate housing. But that might be the case. Then they said, well, maybe California YMB works on that. I said, okay. 559 01:11:23.050 --> 01:11:37.720 Speaker 5 (Quinlan Conference Room): But you're the one that's here, talking to us. So anyway, yeah, I have to admit, I've gotten a little disappointed with the way the laws work, and I just found out the hard way, like you did, not today, but recently, that the laws don't. 560 01:11:37.720 --> 01:11:38.620 Speaker 11 (Quinlan Conference Room): work together. 561 01:11:38.620 --> 01:11:46.259 Speaker 5 (Quinlan Conference Room): Often, and that the city does get stuck. Even when you're trying to do it right, you… it gets beat up. 562 01:11:46.265 --> 01:11:55.185 Speaker 14 (Quinlan Conference Room): It's difficult to push affordability, because even HCD, if you had a housing element policy, say, where you were gonna, like, we're gonna require 30% of our units to be affordable. Yeah. 563 01:11:55.425 --> 01:12:00.075 Speaker 14 (Quinlan Conference Room): They… 20 is kind of their threshold. They don't want you to go above that. 564 01:12:00.205 --> 01:12:09.535 Speaker 14 (Quinlan Conference Room): Oh, wait. That gets… yes. That's the dilemma cities like Cupertino find themselves in. Urena's 57.5%. 565 01:12:09.975 --> 01:12:12.085 Speaker 14 (Quinlan Conference Room): And you can't require more than one. 566 01:12:12.705 --> 01:12:24.814 Speaker 14 (Quinlan Conference Room): So, right there on the townhome project, you can get to 20, but it's going to be difficult of the remaining 80% to argue any of these 23-2400 square foot for sale units is affordable. 567 01:12:25.275 --> 01:12:29.854 Speaker 14 (Quinlan Conference Room): You could, if you get smaller rental units, like… 568 01:12:30.365 --> 01:12:34.515 Speaker 14 (Quinlan Conference Room): One-bedroom studio apartments, even if they're not deed-restricted. 569 01:12:34.635 --> 01:12:53.095 Speaker 14 (Quinlan Conference Room): Those are likely affordable units that you can claim at low or moderate categories, even if they're, you know, essentially not… their rent is not restricted. Because by design, what they're actually renting for could be affordable. It's just so far, this city, we have not been getting projects like that. 570 01:12:53.395 --> 01:12:58.544 Speaker 14 (Quinlan Conference Room): So the townhomes… You're not going to get more than 20% affordability on us. 571 01:12:59.150 --> 01:13:09.980 Speaker 7 (Quinlan Conference Room): Also, the city's also looking at units when we're creating these units, or we're having these discussions, also looking at how realistic is it to build these units that the city is suggested? 572 01:13:10.060 --> 01:13:26.230 Speaker 7 (Quinlan Conference Room): Right, so, for example, if you were to provide a strategy to buy a certain number of units or ratio to district sites, that may not be accepted because the likelihood of that is very uncertain, so that's something that I'm considering as well. 573 01:13:27.000 --> 01:13:33.380 Speaker 5 (Quinlan Conference Room): Okay, sorry, I understand, I'm sorry, I'll stop and let you go. 574 01:13:34.010 --> 01:13:45.030 Speaker 5 (Quinlan Conference Room): Like, on these, townhomes, where they have the for purchase and they're theoretically moderate income, why are they so big? Why would it… is that required, that they be 575 01:13:45.170 --> 01:13:53.860 Speaker 5 (Quinlan Conference Room): as big as the market rate, if they're trying to make something that's more affordable. I'm not really not sure how that kicks in with, 576 01:13:54.720 --> 01:14:00.860 Speaker 5 (Quinlan Conference Room): with them being so big, how is it that they are actually for moderate-rate income people? So… 577 01:14:00.860 --> 01:14:09.589 Speaker 4 (Quinlan Conference Room): The price of a VMAR home is calculated based on the… On the… The bedroom count. Oh, the bedroom count. 578 01:14:09.595 --> 01:14:10.355 Speaker 17 (Quinlan Conference Room): in that unit? 579 01:14:10.505 --> 01:14:18.184 Speaker 4 (Quinlan Conference Room): Let's say it's like a 3-bedroom, so we'll assume it's a family of 3 or 4 people. Yeah. And then you take the… 580 01:14:18.255 --> 01:14:32.465 Speaker 4 (Quinlan Conference Room): The average income of someone in that income bracket, so a three-person family, the moderate income bracket. And you can create, basically, an assumed kind of annual income with that size, divided by 12. 581 01:14:32.945 --> 01:14:40.164 Speaker 4 (Quinlan Conference Room): to get your monthly payments, no, to get your formal monthly payment. Size is… 582 01:14:40.475 --> 01:14:44.375 Speaker 4 (Quinlan Conference Room): A requirement in our VMR manual that 583 01:14:44.555 --> 01:14:57.335 Speaker 4 (Quinlan Conference Room): affordable units should be made comparable to market units in the same development. Like, you can't make luxury up market rate and have really small, really low quality, quality units. They've got to be comparable. 584 01:14:57.335 --> 01:15:10.005 Speaker 4 (Quinlan Conference Room): And they're similar in size, similar in features, similar amenities. If they are making enormous units, that's probably because they want to sell those market rate units inside a certain market, right? Because they are market rate developers. 585 01:15:11.135 --> 01:15:14.125 Speaker 17 (Quinlan Conference Room): I understand. Thank you. I don't like… 586 01:15:14.125 --> 01:15:15.255 Speaker 11 (Quinlan Conference Room): So I moved it. 587 01:15:15.260 --> 01:15:16.410 Speaker 17 (Quinlan Conference Room): That have been approved. 588 01:15:16.415 --> 01:15:21.065 Speaker 14 (Quinlan Conference Room): The market, the moderate and median units tend to be a little smaller. 589 01:15:21.325 --> 01:15:29.894 Speaker 14 (Quinlan Conference Room): Like, if you had an average 2,400 square foot, the affordable, or maybe 1,800 to 2,000, tended not to be as big. 590 01:15:30.135 --> 01:15:35.264 Speaker 14 (Quinlan Conference Room): But like Nikki said, the city's language is to keep them comparable. 591 01:15:35.505 --> 01:15:40.135 Speaker 14 (Quinlan Conference Room): In terms of square footage, number of bedrooms, things like that, so… 592 01:15:40.750 --> 01:15:43.830 Speaker 11 (Quinlan Conference Room): Okay, I understand. Thank you. I have a question. 593 01:15:43.830 --> 01:15:56.450 Speaker 1 (Quinlan Conference Room): So, recently, I don't know whether it's been approved or not, but, like, the Palera Bread, YJ coffee, those areas are going to be converted to… 594 01:15:56.640 --> 01:16:06.530 Speaker 1 (Quinlan Conference Room): townhomes, I suppose, and then the staples area also, right? Now, this is the main area where we could have high density. 595 01:16:06.900 --> 01:16:15.160 Speaker 1 (Quinlan Conference Room): of residences. So… One, how can the city mandate a high-density development? 596 01:16:15.390 --> 01:16:23.080 Speaker 1 (Quinlan Conference Room): Number two, can we add more rental? Because rental units tend to be more lower income. 597 01:16:23.280 --> 01:16:28.379 Speaker 1 (Quinlan Conference Room): For low-income families compared to ownership, right? 598 01:16:29.660 --> 01:16:33.089 Speaker 7 (Quinlan Conference Room): Short answer is no. Hold. 599 01:16:33.095 --> 01:16:46.865 Speaker 14 (Quinlan Conference Room): You can upzone more, but the two sites you're talking about, the Fontana's Restaurant, Staples, that was… all of those were housing outline properties, but that was one of the SB330 applications, locked in the lower density. 600 01:16:47.145 --> 01:17:02.565 Speaker 14 (Quinlan Conference Room): the Panera Bread, one of the four properties was also a housing element site, was also locked in at a lower density. Now that one's even more interesting, because about two-thirds of the units, a little under, are essentially 601 01:17:02.715 --> 01:17:04.564 Speaker 14 (Quinlan Conference Room): single-family homes. 602 01:17:04.845 --> 01:17:07.134 Speaker 14 (Quinlan Conference Room): With very little space between them. 603 01:17:07.365 --> 01:17:09.954 Speaker 14 (Quinlan Conference Room): So they look like townhomes, but… 604 01:17:10.165 --> 01:17:14.724 Speaker 14 (Quinlan Conference Room): you know, they're very vertical, but they don't share common walls. 605 01:17:14.725 --> 01:17:22.244 Speaker 1 (Quinlan Conference Room): So, would the developer made the decision to change the density? I mean, you would think that the more units, they'd make more money, right? That's not… 606 01:17:22.245 --> 01:17:26.705 Speaker 14 (Quinlan Conference Room): It's all how it works. It's, like I said, they're either gonna… 607 01:17:26.955 --> 01:17:30.744 Speaker 14 (Quinlan Conference Room): Come in around 20, or they're gonna go over 100. 608 01:17:31.025 --> 01:17:35.044 Speaker 14 (Quinlan Conference Room): Everything in between that, nobody's building at that, at least for right now. 609 01:17:35.685 --> 01:17:54.064 Speaker 14 (Quinlan Conference Room): So that's what has been happening. It really is all the developer's call, because once you have 5 or more units and you qualify for a state density bonus, how you design your project is up to you, and the city really has almost no ability to alter the design. 610 01:17:54.235 --> 01:18:01.565 Speaker 14 (Quinlan Conference Room): Like, floor area, building height setbacks, all of those things are… if you look through all the projects we've approved. 611 01:18:01.735 --> 01:18:03.935 Speaker 14 (Quinlan Conference Room): They're all waived uniformly. 612 01:18:04.145 --> 01:18:05.975 Speaker 14 (Quinlan Conference Room): So, it's… 613 01:18:06.405 --> 01:18:14.865 Speaker 14 (Quinlan Conference Room): I agree with you. I came up doing this thinking the more density, the more money you make. Yeah. And that's not the way it is. 614 01:18:15.025 --> 01:18:16.714 Speaker 14 (Quinlan Conference Room): Can I ask a question? 615 01:18:16.715 --> 01:18:17.904 Speaker 5 (Quinlan Conference Room): about, 616 01:18:18.405 --> 01:18:28.804 Speaker 5 (Quinlan Conference Room): I thought the term SB330 was only attached to some of the applicants. You know, they came in before our housing element was approved and all that. 617 01:18:29.555 --> 01:18:41.464 Speaker 5 (Quinlan Conference Room): Are we almost finished with those, or does it, like, not make any difference, because the same rules that you're talking about apply any of the new ones, too? It won't matter that they're SB331. 618 01:18:41.465 --> 01:18:55.384 Speaker 14 (Quinlan Conference Room): SP330 is in effect all the time, so it's the Housing Crisis Act. What it means is you file a preliminary application, which is very brief, you essentially meet a city's checklist, and you lock in what you have at this point in time. 619 01:18:55.985 --> 01:19:01.955 Speaker 14 (Quinlan Conference Room): But if you were to do that now on a Housing Elements site, it wouldn't matter, because those sites have been up-zoned. Yes. 620 01:19:02.055 --> 01:19:10.635 Speaker 14 (Quinlan Conference Room): Okay. But what we did go through last time as the housing element was getting close to certified, that's where people locked in the lower density because they wanted to build. 621 01:19:10.805 --> 01:19:13.915 Speaker 14 (Quinlan Conference Room): But SB330 is still in effect. 622 01:19:13.915 --> 01:19:17.784 Speaker 5 (Quinlan Conference Room): And we still have some applicants that are using that particular. 623 01:19:17.790 --> 01:19:26.810 Speaker 14 (Quinlan Conference Room): It's not making a difference now. It's not making a difference now. The ones that logged that in, I think, have all gone through the approval process. But we still, like, you know. 624 01:19:27.460 --> 01:19:32.490 Speaker 14 (Quinlan Conference Room): Our range… our density range is 20 to 35. You're only ever going to get around 20. 625 01:19:33.210 --> 01:19:37.149 Speaker 14 (Quinlan Conference Room): You're not… no one's going to 3035, so this is why we're… 626 01:19:38.000 --> 01:19:45.960 Speaker 14 (Quinlan Conference Room): If you're not getting that target range, 50 or more, our highest density is… 65 to 80. 627 01:19:46.730 --> 01:19:53.160 Speaker 14 (Quinlan Conference Room): Like, if you're… unless you're… you need to hit that range in order to get somebody to build identity. 628 01:19:53.380 --> 01:19:56.920 Speaker 14 (Quinlan Conference Room): To really make a difference with the numbers we're talking about. 629 01:20:00.670 --> 01:20:07.669 Speaker 1 (Quinlan Conference Room): So you mentioned in the beginning, like, there's a number of units that's approved under the housing elements, right? 630 01:20:07.860 --> 01:20:15.780 Speaker 1 (Quinlan Conference Room): And we have to keep track of that, and make sure if it goes down in one of the sites, it needs to be made up somewhere else. 631 01:20:17.330 --> 01:20:23.870 Speaker 1 (Quinlan Conference Room): you… well, right? We can't really lose that number, we need to… What is the… 632 01:20:24.740 --> 01:20:29.179 Speaker 1 (Quinlan Conference Room): what holds us to that number? Because if the city can't need it. 633 01:20:31.350 --> 01:20:33.810 Speaker 14 (Quinlan Conference Room): State's take as the city needs to meet it. 634 01:20:33.930 --> 01:20:38.229 Speaker 14 (Quinlan Conference Room): Right. Which is why you end up looking for more additional sites, so… 635 01:20:38.250 --> 01:20:57.149 Speaker 14 (Quinlan Conference Room): And you can't transfer, like I said, we have a big buffer in market rate units. We're never going to have to worry about that, but you can't say, well, we have a big buffer there, we're going to transfer that into the low and moderate income. Each income category is essentially its own read-in. Right, right. And I look back when we went through the housing element, that's something I think is, like. 636 01:20:57.300 --> 01:21:01.899 Speaker 14 (Quinlan Conference Room): You probably should discuss it that way. It's, like, by income category. 637 01:21:02.120 --> 01:21:04.610 Speaker 14 (Quinlan Conference Room): They're treated as entirely separate things. 638 01:21:05.080 --> 01:21:16.129 Speaker 14 (Quinlan Conference Room): And, like, Cupertino has no problem eating market rates production. Of course. That's easy. It's just the other categories, I think other cities have that same issue with. 639 01:21:16.530 --> 01:21:21.659 Speaker 14 (Quinlan Conference Room): How do you tell us over 50% of our housing has to be affordable in some category? 640 01:21:22.140 --> 01:21:25.030 Speaker 14 (Quinlan Conference Room): But we can never require anything close to that. 641 01:21:25.880 --> 01:21:31.430 Speaker 14 (Quinlan Conference Room): The only way you get there is you have to have smaller, more affordable-by-design units get built. 642 01:21:31.790 --> 01:21:41.049 Speaker 14 (Quinlan Conference Room): So, the city does have one high- density project for Cupertino on a housing element site. It's coming in over 130 units per acre. 643 01:21:41.520 --> 01:21:49.280 Speaker 14 (Quinlan Conference Room): But that's not approved, but that's because it's rental, and it's two-thirds of it is one-bedroom or studio units. 644 01:21:49.580 --> 01:21:58.380 Speaker 14 (Quinlan Conference Room): So a project like that is not only going to get you a lot of units, but it's going to get you a lot of affordable units. That's just really rare. It's the only one we have on file. 645 01:21:59.520 --> 01:22:09.980 Speaker 14 (Quinlan Conference Room): Do ADUs count in this? Every new unit counts, so, like, we get credit. If somebody builds a project on a non-housing element site, we get credit for it. 646 01:22:10.130 --> 01:22:12.909 Speaker 14 (Quinlan Conference Room): Okay. But in terms of tracking… 647 01:22:13.250 --> 01:22:17.710 Speaker 14 (Quinlan Conference Room): What we've committed to through the housing element, only housing element sites. 648 01:22:17.940 --> 01:22:21.180 Speaker 14 (Quinlan Conference Room): are what we're talking about here. They're their own category. 649 01:22:23.670 --> 01:22:27.530 Speaker 5 (Quinlan Conference Room): I was gonna ask you, because the minimum density sounds like 650 01:22:27.840 --> 01:22:31.820 Speaker 5 (Quinlan Conference Room): Great strategy. I guess the question about it is. 651 01:22:33.360 --> 01:22:45.499 Speaker 5 (Quinlan Conference Room): How does that… that's okay? Like, we can do that, and then the developers need to go with that once it's approved? Or is there going to be some more of that other wealth? We didn't have that in place until here? That could happen again. 652 01:22:45.505 --> 01:22:46.095 Speaker 8 (Quinlan Conference Room): Yeah. 653 01:22:46.380 --> 01:22:53.130 Speaker 14 (Quinlan Conference Room): Yeah. Once you identify sites, if somebody was interested in site, and we were going to upzone it considerably. 654 01:22:53.370 --> 01:22:55.829 Speaker 14 (Quinlan Conference Room): They could file an application before it's resold. 655 01:22:55.950 --> 01:22:57.410 Speaker 14 (Quinlan Conference Room): How about it going? Oh. 656 01:22:57.410 --> 01:23:01.980 Speaker 5 (Quinlan Conference Room): Okay, so that being said, I also then was wondering about 657 01:23:02.100 --> 01:23:11.810 Speaker 5 (Quinlan Conference Room): Is there a way to maybe advertise to, the affordable Affordable housing developers. 658 01:23:12.050 --> 01:23:12.860 Speaker 17 (Quinlan Conference Room): Hey! 659 01:23:13.170 --> 01:23:16.009 Speaker 17 (Quinlan Conference Room): We would really like you to come here. 660 01:23:16.015 --> 01:23:21.795 Speaker 5 (Quinlan Conference Room): build some housing, because they're willing, apparently, not to go for 661 01:23:22.155 --> 01:23:35.794 Speaker 5 (Quinlan Conference Room): you know, the highest thing, but how does that work? I mean, because we know we have Eden Housing for the teacher, and we have Charity's Housing for this other one, and I know there are… I don't know if there's enough of them, but there's a number of, 662 01:23:36.165 --> 01:23:40.455 Speaker 5 (Quinlan Conference Room): Companies that are non-profit, that build homes. 663 01:23:40.635 --> 01:23:44.634 Speaker 5 (Quinlan Conference Room): How do we get them here interested in our… 664 01:23:45.165 --> 01:23:50.855 Speaker 14 (Quinlan Conference Room): I mean, we talked to everybody. When we went through the housing element, I mean, I started here 665 01:23:51.955 --> 01:23:58.484 Speaker 14 (Quinlan Conference Room): almost 3 years on that. We met nonprofits, market rate developers, everybody. 666 01:23:59.045 --> 01:24:02.765 Speaker 14 (Quinlan Conference Room): If the problem is who gives the site, who acquires the site. 667 01:24:03.185 --> 01:24:09.895 Speaker 14 (Quinlan Conference Room): Because they… they control it. So, yeah, of the 58 properties, only 2 were 100% affordable. 668 01:24:10.085 --> 01:24:14.025 Speaker 14 (Quinlan Conference Room): Area Avenue, which is city-owned. That was entirely low. 669 01:24:14.165 --> 01:24:25.415 Speaker 14 (Quinlan Conference Room): And the teacher housing site just north of Valco is also… that's the county back. That's county, right? So the other 56 are pretty much whoever is going to develop them. 670 01:24:27.390 --> 01:24:35.810 Speaker 1 (Quinlan Conference Room): So can we provide more incentives to developers? I mean, like, you're funding, you're giving funds to all the non-profit organizations. 671 01:24:36.350 --> 01:24:44.950 Speaker 1 (Quinlan Conference Room): I mean, it feels like a bad thing to do, but can you say, hey, developer, you know, we'll give you this incentive of… 672 01:24:45.260 --> 01:24:54.099 Speaker 1 (Quinlan Conference Room): a percentage, or whatever. If you built more rental units, more higher density. 673 01:24:55.160 --> 01:25:12.870 Speaker 1 (Quinlan Conference Room): projects. I don't know. The city can… maybe there's a tax incentive, or some sort of incentive can the city provide to encourage, rather than saying they want to do townhome and just say, okay, go ahead, kind of thing, right? 674 01:25:13.220 --> 01:25:27.019 Speaker 1 (Quinlan Conference Room): Well, what can the city provide? This is like keeping a business, right? Like, Apple, I know, the city's giving them a lot of incentives to keep them here, so… can something like that be done? When a developer comes and proposes. 675 01:25:27.025 --> 01:25:38.494 Speaker 4 (Quinlan Conference Room): affordable housing beyond our minimum requirements. We do grant incentives in terms of impact fee waivers, so, like, park impact fee waivers. 676 01:25:38.495 --> 01:25:50.445 Speaker 4 (Quinlan Conference Room): there's, like, a street sewer one, right? A bunch of different ones to basically lower the cost of construction. That helps a lot. Yeah, it comes to, kind of, building that funding stack, right? 677 01:25:50.845 --> 01:25:56.675 Speaker 4 (Quinlan Conference Room): If you want to get 100% affordable housing, though, there's a lot of things that need 678 01:25:56.915 --> 01:26:16.325 Speaker 4 (Quinlan Conference Room): to come together to make that happen, and number one being, tax credit awards, because that makes up the bulk of their… their funding stack. And typically, to be awarded those, you need to be an established nonprofit developer that can make sure that you have the experience to do research development. 679 01:26:16.635 --> 01:26:26.015 Speaker 4 (Quinlan Conference Room): So, like, we can… we can… we can give local incentives, right? But ultimately, you're… you're pretty much only ever going to see affordable, non-profit 680 01:26:26.135 --> 01:26:34.015 Speaker 4 (Quinlan Conference Room): developers coming in with those kinds of, like, proposals, right? Because they're really the only people that can win those tax credits. 681 01:26:35.900 --> 01:26:44.630 Speaker 5 (Quinlan Conference Room): already be… they can't decide as a regular developer. They can't decide, you know, I'd like to build some 682 01:26:45.000 --> 01:26:46.130 Speaker 5 (Quinlan Conference Room): 100%. 683 01:26:46.310 --> 01:26:55.870 Speaker 5 (Quinlan Conference Room): I'll just… I'll just do that, because I've made a lot of money here, and so I'll just do that. They can't… they couldn't just decide to do that. They would have to be some kind of… 684 01:26:56.145 --> 01:26:56.885 Speaker 17 (Quinlan Conference Room): A separate. 685 01:26:56.890 --> 01:27:11.749 Speaker 4 (Quinlan Conference Room): They could create, like, a charitable entity to do their affordable development, right? I think by each statute, right, I think they can only award tax credits to nonprofits, because they don't want to be awarding tax credits to for- profit developments, right? That's… 686 01:27:12.360 --> 01:27:15.270 Speaker 4 (Quinlan Conference Room): That's some… that's a system that can be kind of taken advantage of. 687 01:27:15.430 --> 01:27:16.639 Speaker 4 (Quinlan Conference Room): Okay. Yeah. 688 01:27:17.380 --> 01:27:20.899 Speaker 6 (Quinlan Conference Room): Okay, when residents are building ADUs. 689 01:27:21.000 --> 01:27:24.370 Speaker 6 (Quinlan Conference Room): That's not always for the purposes of housing. 690 01:27:24.540 --> 01:27:27.580 Speaker 6 (Quinlan Conference Room): And so how do you get credit for 691 01:27:28.140 --> 01:27:33.150 Speaker 6 (Quinlan Conference Room): Local residents just wanting an expansion or an annex to their 692 01:27:33.530 --> 01:27:36.459 Speaker 6 (Quinlan Conference Room): to their housing. How do we get credit for that? 693 01:27:36.465 --> 01:27:46.335 Speaker 14 (Quinlan Conference Room): ADU, we give credit for through the building, but this is seen as a new unit. Regardless of how it's used, we can't track that. If it's a family member, if it's rented out. 694 01:27:46.920 --> 01:27:48.409 Quinlan Conference Room: City gets credit for it. 695 01:27:49.900 --> 01:27:56.359 Speaker 1 (Quinlan Conference Room): And then also, but you said it doesn't count in the housing element. Housing element, yeah, it doesn't count that, yeah. 696 01:27:56.365 --> 01:28:06.844 Speaker 14 (Quinlan Conference Room): Yeah, we get… every April 1st, you submit your housing report to the state to show what you entitled and what you build, and you get credit for those things, whether it's a housing element site or not. 697 01:28:07.460 --> 01:28:22.059 Speaker 5 (Quinlan Conference Room): You also get a certain percentage of that is credited as below market rate, even though you can't track any of that, right? A certain percentage gets tracked as… gets credited as BMR, even though it's not necessarily. 698 01:28:22.065 --> 01:28:22.835 Speaker 11 (Quinlan Conference Room): And you can't really. 699 01:28:22.835 --> 01:28:27.814 Speaker 14 (Quinlan Conference Room): It's not dating restrictive, but it's kind of, like I was saying, was if you build a studio apartment. 700 01:28:28.385 --> 01:28:44.485 Speaker 14 (Quinlan Conference Room): Like, it would be crazy to say 2,500 square foot town of a studio apartment, items need-restricted, that they have equal affordability, because they don't. And ADUs, they're typically, you know, like, 10% are market rate, and it's like 10, 30, 30, 30. 701 01:28:44.705 --> 01:28:48.064 Speaker 14 (Quinlan Conference Room): So you do get credit for the low- moderate bundles. 702 01:28:48.965 --> 01:28:53.324 Speaker 14 (Quinlan Conference Room): Can we talk about very low income, low income, moderate income? 703 01:28:53.505 --> 01:29:02.405 Speaker 6 (Quinlan Conference Room): For, let's say, you know, the example, so 3 to 4 family members, what are we talking about? What's the defining? 704 01:29:02.405 --> 01:29:05.404 Speaker 4 (Quinlan Conference Room): I have to look that up. The state releases 705 01:29:05.445 --> 01:29:21.104 Speaker 4 (Quinlan Conference Room): based on the county you live in, what is your… your average median income for that county, for, like, a four-person family? And then they also, like, break down to, like, okay, what if you're a three-person family, two-person, 1-person? And it's all going to be, like, you know, increasing the bigger the family. 706 01:29:21.105 --> 01:29:35.734 Speaker 4 (Quinlan Conference Room): And then, from there, there's, like, the bell distribution of, like, who is below 80% of that distribution, that's the low income, who is below 50% of that distribution, the very low income, for each of those families' families, right? That's how they calculate it. They release those every year. 707 01:29:35.735 --> 01:29:46.625 Speaker 4 (Quinlan Conference Room): So, you can actually look this up, or I can send it to you. It's just… Oh, that'd be great. Yeah, and then they also release what is your maximal allowable rent per category, right? 708 01:29:46.705 --> 01:29:47.385 Speaker 4 (Quinlan Conference Room): That's true. 709 01:29:47.385 --> 01:29:47.915 Speaker 17 (Quinlan Conference Room): Well… 710 01:29:48.145 --> 01:29:51.905 Speaker 1 (Quinlan Conference Room): Is this county-based, or city-based? County-based. 711 01:29:51.905 --> 01:30:00.884 Speaker 14 (Quinlan Conference Room): Again, Santa Clara is the highest state, I think, the family of four is, like, 192, 195. It's getting close to 200 miles a day. 712 01:30:00.885 --> 01:30:04.704 Speaker 1 (Quinlan Conference Room): This is the median, income you're talking about right here. Right, median. 713 01:30:05.225 --> 01:30:14.224 Speaker 1 (Quinlan Conference Room): But depends on which part of the county, too. Like, Cupertino is kind of on a higher end compared to, say, San Jose, South San Jose, so… 714 01:30:15.075 --> 01:30:18.394 Speaker 1 (Quinlan Conference Room): Yeah, it's not perfect. Yeah. Give some idea. 715 01:30:22.100 --> 01:30:24.190 Speaker 2 (Quinlan Conference Room): Sharon, can we go to public comment? 716 01:30:24.440 --> 01:30:25.690 Speaker 2 (Quinlan Conference Room): Yeah, yes. 717 01:30:26.830 --> 01:30:31.370 Speaker 2 (Quinlan Conference Room): We have no speakers in person, and no hands raised virtually. 718 01:30:32.030 --> 01:30:40.090 Speaker 1 (Quinlan Conference Room): Okay, so, we, this is just a study session, so let me just, yeah. 719 01:30:40.095 --> 01:30:50.975 Speaker 4 (Quinlan Conference Room): All the suggestions, right, we're taking these to our consultant as we try to identify more sites for the housing element, and we heard a lot of good ideas tonight, right? Some suggestions that we can try to explore. 720 01:30:51.015 --> 01:31:08.735 Speaker 4 (Quinlan Conference Room): Now the feasibility, we'd have to look into, right? Because ultimately, there's two audiences for the housing element, right? There's our local audience trying to get approved by city council, and then there's the state, who may or may not accept those choices. But yeah, we'll try to do our best to try to marry those two. 721 01:31:12.610 --> 01:31:15.819 Speaker 17 (Quinlan Conference Room): So, next item for the agenda? 722 01:31:17.520 --> 01:31:20.619 Speaker 5 (Quinlan Conference Room): Oh, well, we have to vote on this one first. 723 01:31:20.620 --> 01:31:22.500 Speaker 1 (Quinlan Conference Room): Are we voting on this thing? 724 01:31:22.505 --> 01:31:26.274 Speaker 4 (Quinlan Conference Room): You can vote to, close discussion, if you're… Yeah, that's what I thought. 725 01:31:26.280 --> 01:31:27.000 Speaker 17 (Quinlan Conference Room): Yeah, I don't know. 726 01:31:27.230 --> 01:31:33.489 Speaker 1 (Quinlan Conference Room): To close the discussion? To close the discussion. To close the discussion, okay, yeah. So we, we have a motion to close the discussion? 727 01:31:33.880 --> 01:31:39.330 Speaker 1 (Quinlan Conference Room): I'll make a motion to close the discussion. Any seconds? Second. 728 01:31:40.160 --> 01:31:41.810 Speaker 1 (Quinlan Conference Room): Commissioner Cunningham? 729 01:31:42.190 --> 01:31:43.100 Speaker 1 (Quinlan Conference Room): Aye. 730 01:31:44.270 --> 01:31:52.190 Speaker 2 (Quinlan Conference Room): Commissioner Coffey is absent, Commissioner Jindy is absent, Vice Chair Jones? Aye. Chair Narayan? Aye. 731 01:32:00.400 --> 01:32:04.420 Speaker 1 (Quinlan Conference Room): Okay, the next item on the… Customed Reports. 732 01:32:04.980 --> 01:32:12.569 Speaker 1 (Quinlan Conference Room): I have one that, attended the mayor's meeting for the Commissioner's update last week. 733 01:32:12.860 --> 01:32:29.229 Speaker 1 (Quinlan Conference Room): It was really interesting. I'm attending as a chair for the first time, and with the new mayor, so I've got to say that, our new mayor is very energetic, with a lot of ideas, and I love her new initiative. She has a new initiative called 734 01:32:29.290 --> 01:32:37.149 Speaker 1 (Quinlan Conference Room): move more with Mayor Moore, so… so that's her new initiative. 735 01:32:37.150 --> 01:32:49.559 Speaker 1 (Quinlan Conference Room): She has all these, activities planned, and, the upcoming… in the next month is yoga and Bollywood in the park. So, she's very excited about getting people to move, and, 736 01:32:49.560 --> 01:32:51.730 Speaker 1 (Quinlan Conference Room): I think he did, like, a bike to work. 737 01:32:51.960 --> 01:33:10.049 Speaker 1 (Quinlan Conference Room): event last, last month, or last week. Anyway, and then, the main thing that I wanted to share was she, emphasized that there is this, informational memos in the city website, which, after hearing that, I went and looked up. It's like. 738 01:33:10.570 --> 01:33:29.930 Speaker 1 (Quinlan Conference Room): has, like, tons of valuable information up there, which I think is very useful for all the commissioners to keep up to date on, and encourage residents to read that up, you know, just to know that they're… what's happening in the city. So, which is really interesting. 739 01:33:29.935 --> 01:33:30.664 Speaker 11 (Quinlan Conference Room): Question about that. 740 01:33:30.665 --> 01:33:39.625 Speaker 5 (Quinlan Conference Room): Is that something you can sign up to have sent to you, just like you have other things signed that you go in and sign up, and you get… 741 01:33:39.625 --> 01:33:41.885 Speaker 1 (Quinlan Conference Room): They might, they might have a little. 742 01:33:41.885 --> 01:33:45.645 Speaker 4 (Quinlan Conference Room): I'm not sure. Yeah, so please. 743 01:33:45.645 --> 01:33:54.645 Speaker 5 (Quinlan Conference Room): Like, once something is uploaded. That's great, because then you could sign up for it, and it'd be sent to you, and then you wouldn't have to go in each time. So, if that were possible, that would be… 744 01:33:54.645 --> 01:34:08.235 Speaker 1 (Quinlan Conference Room): Yeah, so the three memos that I found really useful for our commission is the housing element no net loss law requirements that was uploaded. So you just called Housing Element No Net Loss. 745 01:34:08.235 --> 01:34:18.935 Speaker 1 (Quinlan Conference Room): Oh, yes. Requirements. Yeah. That was uploaded, Jan of 2026. And then the March 2026 memo was Status of Homelessness in Cupertino. 746 01:34:19.235 --> 01:34:29.815 Speaker 1 (Quinlan Conference Room): And then the third one was a May 15th memo, the New Landscape of Housing Law in California. So I think these are really good memos for us to… 747 01:34:30.005 --> 01:34:31.514 Speaker 1 (Quinlan Conference Room): Be aware of. 748 01:34:31.595 --> 01:34:45.014 Speaker 1 (Quinlan Conference Room): And then she was continuing her monthly chat series with the mayor, and she provided updates on the Wolf Road and I-280 improvement that's happening. 749 01:34:45.015 --> 01:34:53.075 Speaker 1 (Quinlan Conference Room): So, those were the main things. And, of course, the other, commissions gave updates on each of their commissions. 750 01:34:54.685 --> 01:35:11.825 Speaker 1 (Quinlan Conference Room): They can… they can just go to their meeting minutes and read. There's a lot of information to just, quickly get. But the Planning Commission is where I heard about the… the townhome, Debblint on Bandley Drive, and then that Voyager, and, Panera Bread. 751 01:35:11.925 --> 01:35:27.184 Speaker 1 (Quinlan Conference Room): places to be replaced. Oh, the other important thing, the Public Safety Commission, they talked about, an app called Genesis, G-E-N-A-S-Y-S, app to download on your phones. 752 01:35:27.185 --> 01:35:40.694 Speaker 1 (Quinlan Conference Room): Because this is, like, an address- based emergency notification, so it will… for example, if you're in a particular area, so if there's an emergency for that area, you get the notification. 753 01:35:40.735 --> 01:35:44.905 Speaker 1 (Quinlan Conference Room): Compared to the alert SCC, which is a county-based. 754 01:35:45.015 --> 01:35:56.434 Speaker 1 (Quinlan Conference Room): So she talked about the two emergency communication systems. And, the Technology Commission is working to develop strategies to reduce, AI-generated scams and frauds. 755 01:35:56.440 --> 01:35:57.230 Speaker 6 (Quinlan Conference Room): Just call. 756 01:35:57.625 --> 01:36:07.385 Speaker 1 (Quinlan Conference Room): So, that was the mayor's meeting, and last month, Commissioner Cunningham and myself attended the homelessness 757 01:36:07.785 --> 01:36:11.035 Speaker 1 (Quinlan Conference Room): Strata workshop. Oh, true, led by the cone. 758 01:36:11.370 --> 01:36:12.970 Speaker 8 (Quinlan Conference Room): So Israel. 759 01:36:12.975 --> 01:36:23.225 Speaker 1 (Quinlan Conference Room): I thought it was really eye-opening for us, because there were non-profit organizations and city officials, and people with lived experience. 760 01:36:23.295 --> 01:36:37.144 Speaker 1 (Quinlan Conference Room): who came and attended, and we talked about… the whole workshop was in, like, four focus areas, how to prevent, and then how to help them, so it was really an eye-opening. Part of it along. 761 01:36:37.405 --> 01:36:38.235 Speaker 1 (Quinlan Conference Room): Thank you, did you? 762 01:36:38.235 --> 01:36:39.995 Speaker 12 (Quinlan Conference Room): Okay, yeah. 763 01:36:40.000 --> 01:36:43.010 Speaker 1 (Quinlan Conference Room): Yeah, so it's a really nice workshop. 764 01:36:43.900 --> 01:36:51.340 Speaker 1 (Quinlan Conference Room): Thank you so very much. Oh, yeah, yeah, of course, yeah. Yeah, that is very nice, really good to. 765 01:36:52.610 --> 01:36:57.060 Speaker 1 (Quinlan Conference Room): Okay, so we have… the next item is future agenda setting. 766 01:36:57.065 --> 01:36:59.645 Speaker 5 (Quinlan Conference Room): want the staff reports? We have, we have some. 767 01:36:59.645 --> 01:37:01.595 Speaker 1 (Quinlan Conference Room): Okay. 768 01:37:01.595 --> 01:37:11.285 Speaker 3 (Quinlan Conference Room): these. Last month, the City Council approved an update to their Commissioner's Handbook, so we just printed out some copies to share for you all. 769 01:37:11.285 --> 01:37:13.824 Speaker 1 (Quinlan Conference Room): any new changes are not complicated. 770 01:37:14.610 --> 01:37:31.839 Speaker 4 (Quinlan Conference Room): Well, that's the same. That all commissions will now have an alternate non-voting member added. Oh, oh. Yeah. Oh, that's the new idea. It kind of gets automatically upgraded whenever there's a vacancy, right? To try to, like, limit the amount of time… 771 01:37:31.870 --> 01:37:34.839 Speaker 4 (Quinlan Conference Room): When there's, difficulty, right, finding a… 772 01:37:34.920 --> 01:37:39.680 Speaker 4 (Quinlan Conference Room): So, you guys might be getting a 6 sometime soon, I guess. Could be cool. 773 01:37:39.950 --> 01:37:40.590 Speaker 17 (Quinlan Conference Room): So that'll. 774 01:37:40.595 --> 01:37:42.834 Speaker 5 (Quinlan Conference Room): I'll be in the next… when we have the next round. 775 01:37:42.835 --> 01:37:43.575 Speaker 6 (Quinlan Conference Room): of just, like. 776 01:37:43.580 --> 01:37:50.330 Speaker 4 (Quinlan Conference Room): That'll be when the city clerk has the capacity to do recruitments for every single commission, I think. Okay. 777 01:37:50.335 --> 01:37:51.855 Speaker 17 (Quinlan Conference Room): Yep. 778 01:37:51.855 --> 01:37:54.814 Speaker 1 (Quinlan Conference Room): You said non-voiding alternate member? 779 01:37:54.815 --> 01:38:03.885 Speaker 4 (Quinlan Conference Room): Yeah, they kind of, like, get automatically upgraded once there's a vacancy, right? So, like, they can view them to, like, stay informed, and then once there's a vacancy, they kind of… They're small then. 780 01:38:03.890 --> 01:38:04.779 Speaker 1 (Quinlan Conference Room): Okay, thank you. 781 01:38:04.785 --> 01:38:08.164 Speaker 5 (Quinlan Conference Room): That way, they would be more knowledgeable. Yeah. 782 01:38:08.415 --> 01:38:11.264 Speaker 5 (Quinlan Conference Room): Okay, that sounds very interesting. Thank you for art. 783 01:38:11.645 --> 01:38:13.165 Speaker 5 (Quinlan Conference Room): Then, I thought. 784 01:38:13.165 --> 01:38:30.464 Speaker 4 (Quinlan Conference Room): one announcement. So, back in December, we met on, study items to kind of include for further… when it comes to anti-displacement and tenant protections. So, we talked with the City Mayor's office about how we can basically 785 01:38:30.685 --> 01:38:42.415 Speaker 4 (Quinlan Conference Room): build this in to our work plan, and procedurally, we think the way that we want to proceed with this is that I can basically draft some kind of, like, letter or memo, 786 01:38:42.455 --> 01:38:49.545 Speaker 4 (Quinlan Conference Room): asking the Council to basically add… we had 3 items that are… that were policy items, right? One was, 787 01:38:49.555 --> 01:39:02.935 Speaker 4 (Quinlan Conference Room): eviction protection, right? Rent stabilization, and one was kind of, like, deposit fee regulations. So adding those for study into, like, the city work plan for, like, maybe, like, the next 3 years. 788 01:39:02.935 --> 01:39:10.225 Speaker 4 (Quinlan Conference Room): Right? So, kind of, it was designed to really look at each one individually, and of course, being up to you guys, right? Where you're watching that, and take it to City Council. 789 01:39:10.225 --> 01:39:24.285 Speaker 4 (Quinlan Conference Room): So that might look like basically me drafting a letter and having maybe the chair, right, sign it and send it to City Council to request it to react to the City Board Plan. But yeah, so that's an update on that. 790 01:39:24.285 --> 01:39:24.945 Speaker 17 (Quinlan Conference Room): I'm sorry. 791 01:39:24.950 --> 01:39:30.060 Speaker 5 (Quinlan Conference Room): I didn't hear everything you said about what that letter is about. 792 01:39:30.065 --> 01:39:41.104 Speaker 4 (Quinlan Conference Room): It's the tenant protection item that we studied in December. So we're going to be asking the chair to sign a letter to send to City Council, basically asking that that be added into our city work plan. 793 01:39:41.430 --> 01:39:42.079 Speaker 1 (Quinlan Conference Room): Oh, into the. 794 01:39:42.085 --> 01:39:45.415 Speaker 5 (Quinlan Conference Room): Okay, thank you, I understand that. 795 01:39:45.420 --> 01:39:52.249 Speaker 4 (Quinlan Conference Room): finalized for the next, say, like, 3 years of work. Yeah. Because we're going to be looking at each one of these individually and citing them for proposals. Yeah. 796 01:39:52.700 --> 01:39:53.860 Speaker 4 (Quinlan Conference Room): Great idea. 797 01:39:54.250 --> 01:39:55.409 Speaker 4 (Quinlan Conference Room): I'd like those. 798 01:39:56.710 --> 01:39:58.949 Speaker 1 (Quinlan Conference Room): Before we go on to the future agenda. 799 01:39:59.100 --> 01:40:08.780 Speaker 1 (Quinlan Conference Room): If we, I don't… so if we have come up with any other new strategies for housing element, we can just email to you? Yeah. 800 01:40:09.155 --> 01:40:10.675 Speaker 8 (Quinlan Conference Room): Absolutely. Oh, oh, anything else? 801 01:40:10.675 --> 01:40:15.445 Speaker 1 (Quinlan Conference Room): Anything else that we can come up with? Any ideas? Personality. 802 01:40:16.005 --> 01:40:17.355 Speaker 1 (Quinlan Conference Room): Yes, yeah. 803 01:40:17.635 --> 01:40:21.215 Speaker 1 (Quinlan Conference Room): Okay, future agenda setting. 804 01:40:22.245 --> 01:40:25.604 Speaker 1 (Quinlan Conference Room): Do we want to add? Yeah, because I was wanting to add. 805 01:40:25.605 --> 01:40:33.464 Speaker 5 (Quinlan Conference Room): as a future agenda item, and so I can discuss… well, we don't discuss it, we just say what it is, but I had talked about it. 806 01:40:33.465 --> 01:40:34.464 Speaker 13 (Quinlan Conference Room): for the shelter. 807 01:40:34.470 --> 01:40:38.099 Speaker 1 (Quinlan Conference Room): locations, right? You're talking about the parking lot. 808 01:40:38.420 --> 01:40:46.540 Speaker 5 (Quinlan Conference Room): Safety parking, yeah, safety, because the idea came from the… So, you know. 809 01:40:46.540 --> 01:40:47.130 Speaker 11 (Quinlan Conference Room): have it. 810 01:40:47.130 --> 01:40:57.109 Speaker 5 (Quinlan Conference Room): later. We don't have to discuss it here. I understand we don't discuss the star here, but the main idea is to, create, a, 811 01:40:57.330 --> 01:41:08.479 Speaker 5 (Quinlan Conference Room): safe parking plan that is more robust and all that, similar to the one that's in the article. I think I gave you a copy of that? Yes. Okay, that was. 812 01:41:08.485 --> 01:41:10.005 Speaker 1 (Quinlan Conference Room): Mountain View. 813 01:41:10.010 --> 01:41:12.859 Speaker 5 (Quinlan Conference Room): It is, but that being said, the… 814 01:41:13.250 --> 01:41:23.369 Speaker 5 (Quinlan Conference Room): city, the county supervisor is asking… wanting to work with everyone to create a regional look at it, and so I'm thinking. 815 01:41:24.000 --> 01:41:33.250 Speaker 5 (Quinlan Conference Room): We would want to be in it. The article doesn't say anything about us being in it, and I would like us to be in it, so I wanted to add it to our list of, of 816 01:41:33.350 --> 01:41:48.040 Speaker 5 (Quinlan Conference Room): future agendas so that we can discuss it, and perhaps urge the City Council to join, because I'm not sure how the process works, but that's… that's the idea. Yeah. Do we have a second to that item? 817 01:41:48.730 --> 01:41:50.349 Speaker 5 (Quinlan Conference Room): That's open. Okay. 818 01:42:01.830 --> 01:42:08.280 Speaker 1 (Quinlan Conference Room): I think we also wanted to have a study session for the BMR manager, right? 819 01:42:08.595 --> 01:42:14.574 Speaker 4 (Quinlan Conference Room): We will have, rescheduled a session with you guys for office. 820 01:42:15.175 --> 01:42:17.044 Speaker 4 (Quinlan Conference Room): Excuse me? 13th. 821 01:42:17.185 --> 01:42:18.495 Speaker 4 (Quinlan Conference Room): Oh, that was the one that you. 822 01:42:18.500 --> 01:42:19.660 Speaker 1 (Quinlan Conference Room): That's right. 823 01:42:19.660 --> 01:42:26.619 Speaker 4 (Quinlan Conference Room): And that'll be to study the Housing Mitigation Manual, what it does, what it requires. 824 01:42:26.780 --> 01:42:29.439 Speaker 4 (Quinlan Conference Room): And I think there was a request just on, like. 825 01:42:29.570 --> 01:42:36.060 Speaker 4 (Quinlan Conference Room): what's been the BMR inclusionary housing has produced that we can find it? 826 01:42:36.070 --> 01:42:51.129 Speaker 4 (Quinlan Conference Room): So warn you guys, the trail runs full at around 2007-ish. After that, the files are all, like, in paper and, like, in various… I don't know, it's hard to find records from older than that, so we can basically go back to 2007. 827 01:42:51.290 --> 01:42:57.049 Speaker 4 (Quinlan Conference Room): For what? For historical housing production, yeah. Oh, oh, historical housing production. 828 01:42:58.670 --> 01:42:59.200 Quinlan Conference Room: Okay. 829 01:43:02.020 --> 01:43:06.649 Speaker 5 (Quinlan Conference Room): Because the purpose of… of understanding that below the market rate manual, I was… 830 01:43:06.940 --> 01:43:24.600 Speaker 5 (Quinlan Conference Room): kind of surprised that after being on this commission for 7 years, I didn't know anything about the for- purchase piece of BMR, because we hadn't ever had any talked about it, it was just never part of our… So, anyway, I've had to come up to speed pretty fast, and I was thinking for… 831 01:43:25.170 --> 01:43:27.320 Speaker 5 (Quinlan Conference Room): Coming up to speed pretty fast on everything. 832 01:43:27.325 --> 01:43:28.434 Speaker 11 (Quinlan Conference Room): Anyway, it might. 833 01:43:28.440 --> 01:43:29.600 Speaker 5 (Quinlan Conference Room): English soil. 834 01:43:30.340 --> 01:43:32.249 Speaker 17 (Quinlan Conference Room): All over the people that might be. 835 01:43:32.250 --> 01:43:33.180 Speaker 5 (Quinlan Conference Room): point of view. 836 01:43:33.380 --> 01:43:35.360 Speaker 17 (Quinlan Conference Room): Will we have some. 837 01:43:35.365 --> 01:43:44.165 Speaker 1 (Quinlan Conference Room): to come and give that presentation kind of thing for this study session, or what would be the format of that? 838 01:43:44.165 --> 01:43:54.664 Speaker 4 (Quinlan Conference Room): study session, just to consult with the BMR Cosm Mitigation Manual in August, is gonna be me. 839 01:43:55.115 --> 01:43:59.995 Speaker 4 (Quinlan Conference Room): So, when the item… for, exploring… 840 01:44:00.145 --> 01:44:15.004 Speaker 4 (Quinlan Conference Room): updating our fee schedule, our PMR fee schedule, which is a part of the housing mitigation Manual. For that, we'll probably have a consultant there with us who kind of does these kind of financial analysis for. 841 01:44:15.650 --> 01:44:22.110 Speaker 5 (Quinlan Conference Room): When you say fee schedule, not talking about the 20% and the… Nope. What are we talking about? 842 01:44:22.115 --> 01:44:22.854 Speaker 11 (Quinlan Conference Room): For the free schedule. 843 01:44:22.860 --> 01:44:35.950 Speaker 4 (Quinlan Conference Room): Let's save that, let's save that for… for all those. Yeah, I… that… that's basically going to be the whole topic, of, like, what are the fees we collect for… it basically informs what goes into the BMR fund, right? 844 01:44:35.950 --> 01:44:40.639 Speaker 17 (Quinlan Conference Room): all that app. Yeah. Got it. Yeah. Okay, thank you. No problem. 845 01:44:42.440 --> 01:44:45.240 Speaker 1 (Quinlan Conference Room): Or any other items that need to be added? 846 01:44:45.810 --> 01:44:46.970 Speaker 1 (Quinlan Conference Room): The phantom? 847 01:44:48.760 --> 01:44:50.480 Speaker 17 (Quinlan Conference Room): Ready to adjourn the meeting? 848 01:44:50.940 --> 01:44:51.275 Speaker 17 (Quinlan Conference Room): Mr. 849 01:44:54.990 --> 01:44:58.260 Speaker 1 (Quinlan Conference Room): Okay, 7-14th, adjourned the meeting? 850 01:44:58.390 --> 01:45:00.809 Speaker 1 (Quinlan Conference Room): I call a motion to adjourn the meeting. 851 01:45:02.840 --> 01:45:04.680 Quinlan Conference Room: Very well done.