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Quinlan Conf Room: Bicycle and pedestrian.
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Quinlan Conf Room: Today is August 19, 2026. I call this meeting to order
at, 7 o'clock p.m.
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Quinlan Conf Room: And ask staff to proceed with their own policies.
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Quinlan Conf Room: Vice Chair Madhopatla? Here. Commissioner Ganga? Yes.
Commissioner Marcy? Here. Commissioner Wolf? Yes. Kapkoram? Wonderful.
Thank you so much.
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Quinlan Conf Room: Our first agenda item tonight is the approval of the
meeting minutes from our July 15th meeting.
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Quinlan Conf Room: The draft meeting minutes have been provided with the
packet that we received, and I'm asking for any feedback, corrections.
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Quinlan Conf Room: For a motion to approve those meeting minutes as they
were to learn.
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Quinlan Conf Room: Excellent.
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Quinlan Conf Room: To make the motion to approve the meeting minutes.
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Quinlan Conf Room: Thank you, Nori, so we have a proper motion. I'm
hoping for a second on this motion. I can second.
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Quinlan Conf Room: Thank you, Dangro, so we have…
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Quinlan Conf Room: Section. Let's, conduct the vote.
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Quinlan Conf Room: total of 20 minutes, which is the 15th state of
Arkton.
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Quinlan Conf Room: somebody, Chair, this is back.
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Quinlan Conf Room: Yes? Vice Chair Madhupatri? Yes. Commissioner Ganga?
Yes.
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Quinlan Conf Room: Commissioner Marcy?
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Quinlan Conf Room: Commissioner Wolf? Yes. Yeah, motion passes 5-0.
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Quinlan Conf Room: Thank you.
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Quinlan Conf Room: That takes us into, postponements. Do we have any
postponements from any prior meetings?
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Quinlan Conf Room: No. Thank you.
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Quinlan Conf Room: Our next item on the agenda is oral communications.
This portion of the meeting is reserved.
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Quinlan Conf Room: for any topics that are not on the agenda tonight, so
anybody who wants to address the Commission on matters that are not on
the agenda tonight, this is the opportunity, and speakers are limited to
3 minutes per speaker. Do we have any
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Quinlan Conf Room: Who are all communications for topics that are not on
the agenda.
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Quinlan Conf Room: Either in the role or remote.
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Quinlan Conf Room: We have no speakers, Jim. No speakers, thank you.
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Quinlan Conf Room: Excellent, thank you. Okay, wonderful. Let's, bring in
the speaker.
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Quinlan Conf Room: Welcome.
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Nori: And nope.
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Quinlan Conf Room: Hi, Luke, can hear you.
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Nori: Can you hear me?
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Quinlan Conf Room: Can't hear you.
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Nori: Okay, thank you for this opportunity.
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Nori: I spoke this subject in the Bicycle Pedestrian Commission meeting,
and Park and Recreation Commission meeting, and the Council meeting last
year, but nothing improved or nothing happened.
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Nori: Bicycle is considered a vehicle as it is a machine used to
transport people and is subject to the same traffic law as motor vehicle.
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Nori: For the reason riding a bicycle on the sidewalk is prohibited
because unsafe for the both cyclist and the pedestrian.
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Nori: City Memorial Park's specific plan said, since the park does not
feature any designated bicycle trails.
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Nori: Bicycle riding in the park is discouraged due to the potential
conflict with pedestrians. However, city has not prohibited bicycle
riding in the park.
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Nori: People were injured by bicycle in the memorial Park. I know people
who were injured by bicycle.
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Nori: An elderly woman was taken to a hospital.
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Nori: I was almost hit by bicycle a few times. Even my dog was almost hit
from back. There are many families with small children, seniors, seniors
who use Walker or cane, people with baby stroller.
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Nori: People with dogs, people are using AirPods, and people using cell
phone in the park. Those people cannot move quickly when the bicycle
comes so fast, especially bicycle come from back.
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Nori: And e-bike and e-scooter ride so fast. As several women were
walking in the park, then e-bike came from back so fast, almost hit.
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Nori: And…
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Nori: We do not have enough time to move, especially they come so fast
from back. I almost hit yesterday.
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Nori: Norong a safe place, especially for people and children who are
walking, jogging, and playing.
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Nori: Cyclists and pedestrians cannot share the narrow walkway in the
park unless city built the bike lane just like a street and protect
pedestrians.
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Nori: There are many cyclists trail in the Cupertino, so they should go
trail to…
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Nori: ride a bike. Otherwise there are many more people injured in the
park, but especially e-bike, we need any… some kind of regulation. And
people said there's no regulation, and no signs.
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Nori: So they can pack any place they want, they said.
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Quinlan Conf Room: Thank you, thank you, thank you so much, Nori.
Appreciate it, appreciate the input. We actually do have on the agenda
tonight a.
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Nori: I think.
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Quinlan Conf Room: on e-bike, particularly e-bike safety, and which also
includes some of the topics around sidewalks and things like that. So, we
may likely cover some of the topics that we addressed in today, in
today's meeting, but if it's not sufficiently addressed, we will
certainly be able to bring this back
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Quinlan Conf Room: to the Commission in future meeting. We'd love to
certainly take this seriously in the city.
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Quinlan Conf Room: Is it okay to comment on this? Normally we don't
comment, we're not supposed to comment normally, but I think we
acknowledge, we acknowledge the feedback, and we would… maybe as part of
discussion, that we can cover this more extensively.
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Quinlan Conf Room: The commenter what she wants is welcome to attend that
other part of this. Yes, indeed. Nori, if you are able to join us a
little bit, or stay on for… Okay.
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Nori: No.
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Quinlan Conf Room: Back the e-bike topic later today, and you are welcome
to speak again on this topic specifically.
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Quinlan Conf Room: But thank you for joining us tonight, and thank you
for bringing up that feedback.
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Quinlan Conf Room: Any more, topics that are not on the agenda? Any
speakers that are,
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Quinlan Conf Room: Looking to represent Steve tonight.
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Quinlan Conf Room: We have acknowledgments. Thank you. All right,
wonderful. That takes us into our next, topic, which is our first, item
on the new business side.
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Quinlan Conf Room: And the topic is, the 2026 Cupertino Fall Bike Fest. I
understand you have a presentation from Fergus?
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Quinlan Conf Room: to talk to us about the planning and coordination for
this event coming up in September.
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Quinlan Conf Room: Can I see Sheriff?
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Quinlan Conf Room: Thank you all for having me here today. As you know,
Bike Fest is our yearly celebration of all things bike, hopefully, and
teaching people how to use them safely and not zoom up on unsuspecting
pedestrians from behind.
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Quinlan Conf Room: While riding them.
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Quinlan Conf Room: This year, we're keeping with our same theme of the
last Saturday in September, so Saturday, September 26th. The festival
runs as usual from
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Quinlan Conf Room: 1PM. The hub of locations is on Civic Center Plaza,
and we go… bike rides go from there, but the main activities are on the
plaza.
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Quinlan Conf Room: The lineup is similar to previous years, but we've got
some new things to keep things interesting, kind of generally divided
into educational activities and fun activities. On the educational side,
we've got our helmet checks. Public Health will be out giving…
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Quinlan Conf Room: Children as they begin?
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Quinlan Conf Room: We're doing bike checks. This year, it's a little bit
different. It'll be in two parts. Kind of going back to what it was a
number of years ago. People will get in line.
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Quinlan Conf Room: The first step will be an ABC quick check done by one
of our local bike clubs, and they'll check for things like, all you need
is to pump up your tires, right, and do, like, super simple things that
maybe the high schoolers can help you with.
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Quinlan Conf Room: Or does your bike need actual repair, in which case
you have to continue forward in this line and go see Community Cycles
California for some real bike repair?
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Quinlan Conf Room: We'll also have a demonstration from a group out of
Cupertino High, kind of a tutorial on how to clean your bike chain.
They've done this a couple of times at school now, and it's gone over
pretty well, so we're going to bring it to Bike Fest.
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Quinlan Conf Room: We have our usual bike rodeo for the little kiddos to
learn how to stop at a stop sign and look four ways before they cross the
street.
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Quinlan Conf Room: And we've got bike rides and games and demos. Silicon
Valley Hopper will be there as well with their bike racks, so people can
practice putting their bikes on the car and realize that, yes, you can
ride somewhere on your bike, and if you're too tired to ride home, hey,
you can call a hopper and get a ride home.
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Quinlan Conf Room: For our fun activities, we've got our Blender Bike
Smoothies again, as they're always a big hit. Rock the Bike is coming
back with their sledgehammer and their spin art. Those have… they were
brought as a one-time thing for our 10th anniversary, and people love
them so much that we just keep having them back.
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Quinlan Conf Room: Button making from the Sustainability Commission. Bike
jewelry is back. This is kind of a little bit of recycled use, upcycling,
and a little bit of new things combined to make some cool breaks.
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Quinlan Conf Room: And I think Bicycle handlebar tassels, I'm not…
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Quinlan Conf Room: bike decorating, face painting, story time, and then
we also have something new this year. I don't know if anyone has seen
Climate Carnival yet. The high schools have started having him out
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Quinlan Conf Room: he builds big wooden versions of popular games, like
Chutes and Ladders, but then he kind of rebrands it a little bit. So, for
instance, I don't know exactly what they are, but, like, you bike to
school, so you go up the ladder.
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Quinlan Conf Room: You take a car when you could have taken the bus
instead, and you go down the chute, that kind of thing, to start
conversations about sustainability and active transportation. So his
games are quite fun, so we'll have him spread out under the trees.
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Quinlan Conf Room: We'll have 3 rides this year again. This is very
similar to last year. We'll be bringing back the Little League, since,
somehow, in 4 hours.
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Quinlan Conf Room: Preschool-aged children rode 72 miles, so we'll do it
again, see how far they can ride this year.
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Quinlan Conf Room: We are redoing our scavenger hunt ride, to Wilson
Park, and then we will also do our Tour de Cupertino
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Quinlan Conf Room: This one, as you can see, we're trying some… we're
going somewhere completely new. Usually, we've been doing the same
general loop for the last number of years, but this year we have a lot of
new bike lanes in town, and it's time to change it up a little bit. So
instead of going to the west.
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Quinlan Conf Room: And going a loop around town that way, we're gonna go
to the northeast. And so we'll go up, Torrey, go check out the two-way
bike track in front of Lawson, because, come on, let's face it, that's
the town.
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Quinlan Conf Room: Go up and around up Blaney, go over on Homestead,
because our half of Homestead has bike lanes, so we can, you know, subtly
show that off.
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Quinlan Conf Room: Come down, Tonto.
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Quinlan Conf Room: We'll do a loop through Main Street, both to show off
Main Street, and because the green is a convenient spot to wait for
water, have a little break, and then come back around through Creekside
Park and the Ragnarok Creek Trail. All of that's about seven and a half
miles.
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Quinlan Conf Room: And the Black Mountain Composite High School Mountain
Bike team is coming out again to chaperone that ride for us, so that's
very cool that we get the high schools… the high school riders out to
kind of demonstrate, hey, there is fun things to do with bikes, besides
just ride along with your parents.
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Quinlan Conf Room: The change this year is the scavenger hunt ride. For
those… I think most of you were there last year. It was awesome that we
got 270-some-odd people to ride that ride, but it's too many.
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Quinlan Conf Room: If you can't have one ride with 300 people on it. So
this year, we're kind of reimagining it. Instead of sending everybody off
all at once.
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Quinlan Conf Room: We're gonna send them off in waves every couple of
minutes, and kind of stretch it out. So the thought is, if we have about
the same number of people, they'll all leave in about half an hour.
They'll kind of go… go around.
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Quinlan Conf Room: And the scavenger hunt in the park will still happen,
but it's been reimagined, too, so that people can come through that in
waves as well.
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Quinlan Conf Room: So the only difference to the ride… oh, and I
apologize, I have the old map here, is that we'll actually go in through
Vicksburg into Wilson Park, and then come out the bridge so that we don't
have traffic going in and out of Wilson on the bridge at the same time.
So we'll just de-conflict that.
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Quinlan Conf Room: What this does mean, though, is we need not so much
bike chaperones as, like, people to stand on corners and act partly as
guide and partly as pressing guard.
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Quinlan Conf Room: And we need… we're thinking 18 to 20 people, so we're
very much hoping that all of you are available, and if you don't mind
spreading the word to friends and other people who might be available,
and we'll try it out this way.
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Quinlan Conf Room: And hopefully this keeps the chaos down a little bit.
It'll be more… it's modeled a lot more after the way Parks and Rec does
Big Bunny.
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Quinlan Conf Room: Rather than just a straight ride.
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Quinlan Conf Room: The timeline is similar to last year. The thing that's
changing is the bike rides.
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Quinlan Conf Room: Are being pulled a little bit early to account for
that, extra… it's gonna take half an hour to get the ride off instead of
sending them all off in one wave.
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Quinlan Conf Room: So…
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Quinlan Conf Room: The mayor is going to come at 12.30 and give the usual
address, and that will kick off the raffle for everybody who participated
in the scavenger hunt.
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Quinlan Conf Room: Separate.
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Quinlan Conf Room: That's kind of a short synopsis of Bifest. I don't
know if there are any questions. Wonderful, thank you, Birgit. Do we have
any clarifying questions from the Commission first before we go into
discussion?
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Quinlan Conf Room: Are there chaperones needed for the, long ride, or is
it just the Black Mountain composite team who's gonna take care of it?
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Quinlan Conf Room: I will get back to you if something happens, but as of
right now, the mountain bike team will do that. All of their coaches,
they go through a rigorous training program, which is really cool, so
they do first aid and safe sport and wilderness first aid training, kind
of as… so we… they have their own way of chaperoning, and then we have
our own way, so it
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Quinlan Conf Room: That one year we mixed it, it didn't work so well, so
we're… we're separating.
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Quinlan Conf Room: What do you think we as commissioners can be most
helpful?
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Quinlan Conf Room: We really need the chaperones, crossing guards on the
short ride, if you're available. If you're interested in being… Yep.
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Quinlan Conf Room: And, we're also looking for photographers, if any of
you want to have fun. The ride photography is tricky, because I can't
have a high schooler do it, because a lot of those pictures are taken
from the road. So I need an adult to take ride photography pictures.
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Quinlan Conf Room: So, I don't… Yep. Any more clarifying questions?
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Quinlan Conf Room: Yeah, no, I always enjoy, you know, doing this, but
unfortunately, this year I'm going to be missing it. I'll be traveling to
India, and I'll be returning on that day. Oh. Okay, so you can return,
and you can come… No, I'm coming. I checked my calendar.
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Quinlan Conf Room: So, Bill, does it mean we have to, I mean, if we
stagger it out.
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Quinlan Conf Room: the scarage era for over a period of 30 minutes, so
does it mean we're gonna block those roads for 30 minutes? Is there kind
of support from the sheriff, or…
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Quinlan Conf Room: Because it's, like, even last year, it took…
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Quinlan Conf Room: Probably 15 minutes until we get everybody through.
But now, if you're staggering out, it's probably gonna be, what, 40
minutes that we have to talk, please.
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Quinlan Conf Room: So we're hoping that by staggering the start, it won't
be one mass of bike riders that blocks the whole road, right? We're
hoping… we're trying to send off only about 50 at a time, and then
they'll have instructions stay to the side, and so that
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Quinlan Conf Room: Even though the ride will take longer, will be less
intrusive on the city.
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Quinlan Conf Room: Do you think in between those rates, there will…
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Quinlan Conf Room: How complex can you see it?
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Quinlan Conf Room: I mean, there's not going to be too much car traffic
that follows the ride.
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Quinlan Conf Room: But there would definitely be car traffic going across
traffic, right? And that's why we want the chaperones and the, like,
watching, because we'll…
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Quinlan Conf Room: In addition to keeping the riders safe, like asking
the cars to stop, there will also be… ask the riders to stop, and let a
bunch of cars go through before they expat. So, that's, again, not
something I'm comfortable asking a bunch of teenagers to do, so I'm
really looking for adults for that.
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Quinlan Conf Room: those positions.
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Quinlan Conf Room: I mean, from experience around here, well, certainly
there's a… even in every wave, there's, like.
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Quinlan Conf Room: Solid virus, and there's virus that tape, like.
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Quinlan Conf Room: off by holding and support, so I think we will
probably block the roads for quite some time. Yeah, and I'm kind of
expecting the waves will kind of merge
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Quinlan Conf Room: And, like, the faster riders will… they'll wait their
way to the front, and the slower riders will… they'll separate
themselves, but… We talked about if there was a way to get people to
self-select from the get-go.
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Quinlan Conf Room: They're like, there's just no way. You ask people,
well, are you a slow rider or a fast rider? They're all… It's all
relative, it's all relative, right?
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Quinlan Conf Room: So… Okay, understood, understood.
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Quinlan Conf Room: Did the sheriff is present as well? We do not
typically have the sheriff there. We find it's overkill.
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Quinlan Conf Room: If this doesn't work, then we might have to go back to
that.
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Quinlan Conf Room: So… Looks like it crosses Blaney twice. Yes. So, yeah.
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Quinlan Conf Room: because I've done this in the past, and I think what
happens is that, well, when you have one group.
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Quinlan Conf Room: the drivers start to get upset if they wait too long,
so you kind of have to use your judgment and then stop the riders and let
the traffic come through for clear out, and then you cross again. So,
even with two groups, you might have to do that.
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Quinlan Conf Room: Right, but that's the hope, right? If we're sending
groups out, that the riders will be more patient and be told, hey, you're
gonna have to wait and let
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experiment, so we'll see how it's… Yes.
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chaperones probably have to also help manage the…
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drive, 45, because it's not… Exactly, we… it has to be both ways.
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the residents than it was last year.
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tell the riders where they have to go.
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Quinlan Conf Room: So we're gonna do… we didn't do route arrows for the
short ride last year, but we'll do them this year. So people will have
the route arrows, and then at all the big intersections, there'll be a
chaperone, right? And then you'll have a hit of…
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in the middle. A lot depends on how many signups we can get.
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lost. It's the batching people that we… that I'm…
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if there's any public speakers, any speakers from the public, either in
the room, or…
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Quinlan Conf Room: We have no speakers here. Thank you. So, getting it
back into the Commission, if there's any more discussion or…
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Quinlan Conf Room: Anything else you would need, Birgit from us here in
terms of preparation, support on the day? It sounds like chaperone for
the scavenger is really our mission there. Yep. And then just general
advertising, too, the more people. Oh, I did for…
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time, we're having food. We'll have breakfast burritos being served.
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buy, but…
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back till 1230, and then the festival's over at 1, so we were afraid if
we advertise food and people think it's lunch, everyone will just get mad
at us because there's no way you can serve 700 people in half an hour.
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before your ride, fuel up for your ride, and that gives us a couple of
hours to serve people. And then the people who don't go on the bike rides
can, of course.
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Quinlan Conf Room: Is it sponsored by someone, or we're spending money?
So we did find a caterer. It took us a long time, but we found a caterer
who's willing to come. So they're charging the festival goers, but
they're not charging us, so they're taking the risk that they're going to
make enough money that day.
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it's essentially… No, exactly.
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Like, we don't have to pay them a fixed fee or guarantee them a number
of, of, purchases?
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Quinlan Conf Room: So that, that part's really good for, for the city,
but they will charge people who want a burrito, I can't remember what
their price list was, I think it's, like, $11 for a burrito or something.
But you said it was free.
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Quinlan Conf Room: No, I don't think so. I believe it's, attendee paid,
right? Attendee paid, okay. Just the burritos part, like, everything else
is free. So we're having to be very careful with the advertising, because
usually everything is literally free, so this is the one thing… Food
items paid by the attendee. Right.
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done this.
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participate.
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something like that.
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Quinlan Conf Room: Great, very much looking forward. All right. Any other
topics on this, on the discussion on this topic?
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decision necessarily. It's really just more informational, but thank you
very much, Birgit. I'm going to post this topic up then, and we are
moving into our next item, tonight, which is…
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current state of e-bike safety and steps to encourage safe
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Quinlan Conf Room: So, this was…
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Quinlan Conf Room: I think this is a really important topic. I think we
kind of touched on it a few times as a commission here on the safety
topic, especially on invites, so I think they're really looking forward
to this announcement. Hopefully, we can, in the city, make some progress.
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Quinlan Conf Room: So the kind of thought behind this was there's a lot
of interest, as you just said, about doing something, but no one's quite
sure what to do, like, what's effective and what's allowed. So this was
designed to… or this was intended to be a
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search on what's out there, right? What are other schools doing,
jurisdictions doing?
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Quinlan Conf Room: Wanted to start off with some of our resources. Of
course, when we had our e-bike, completing back in May, the recording
from that is available online and will remain there for the foreseeable
future. That's all of the great resources that people who want faces.
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Quinlan Conf Room: And then we also have our flyer of all the summary of
all the different classes and types of bikes, and the rules around what
you can and can't do with them, specific to Cupertino. I know it's an eye
chart, that one's also available online.
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based around…
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communications team and the video team are working on this, because
they're way better at designing
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Quinlan Conf Room: So, the big thing here is learning what's an e-bike,
and learning what's an e-moto. Kind of in general, e-motos are… it's not
street legal, so they shouldn't be out there at all.
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difference.
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Quinlan Conf Room: One thing to put on your radar screen is I don't know
if any of you were ever part of the Traffic Safe Communities Network. It
was a county-wide effort to talk things traffic safety, not just bikes,
but all things traffic safety from the county perspective.
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bringing that back, and their first, topic is going to be e-bikes and e-
motos.
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talk about it. More details to come. I don't know exactly what time or
how long, but…
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Quinlan Conf Room: There's a whole lot of stuff out there about e-bikes
and e-motos, so I wanted to start… I don't want to… these are kind of eye
charts. You have in your packets. There's a handout that has these that's
probably way easier to read, so I just kind of wanted to go over these
quickly.
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has already been passed.
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already a law? But, like, e-bikes must now have a rear red reflector and
a white light.
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at night.
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Quinlan Conf Room: There's… AB547 makes it illegal to modify your e… buy
a legal e-bike and modify it, so now it's an e-moto, so that makes that
illegal.
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passed, Good.
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Quinlan Conf Room: places like Amazon and Costco were selling things that
were emotive. Amazon, in particular, was selling emotos, saying, hey,
we're just a pass-through.
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is your fault if you're selling something illegal.
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Quinlan Conf Room: So I don't know if you have any questions on these. I
wasn't going to go through absolutely every one, because…
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Quinlan Conf Room: So, at least 875 is bonding, so the police can bomb
the vehicle and keep it for 48 hours. Exactly.
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Quinlan Conf Room: Then they would retain it, no citation, nothing.
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it for.
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drive that license… you can't drive that car away. It's impounded, and
you have to go fetch it.
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legislations actually enforced, or is this just…
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Quinlan Conf Room: I have not heard of any of the cases. It's starting to
be, but you're right, it's giving law enforcement the tools they need to
go after things. A lot of the problem that I'm seeing personally
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straightforward, but then you talk to the sheriff's officers, and they're
like.
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right? So I need something more specific to pull them over for. So, the
bike rides by, and it's speeding, now they get pulled over for speeding,
and oh, by the way, this is an Emoto, so I'm gonna impound it.
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Right, but that's why… like, so they're gonna be pulled over for doing
specific things that are very concrete.
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make things stick.
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Quinlan Conf Room: So, for the most part, a law that's about e-bikes and
e-motos will not be talking about e-speeders. Some of them do, but not
all of them. They go pretty fast. I mean, much faster than 28 miles an
hour. But oddly enough, there's no speed limit on them. But you do have
to have a driver's license to drive them.
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scooter.
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our city can answer requests, or…
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Quinlan Conf Room: So, if we wanted to do some kind of crackdown, I
imagine we'd have to work with them, but in the… for the most part, the
traffic division's job is to enforce the rule, the vehicle code of
conduct, so…
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code, they should already be doing it. I guess the operational keyword is
they should be already doing it. I mean, is it practically happening, or…
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Support enforcement action.
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he can always reach the sheriffs, and…
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It's not even gonna work.
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Quinlan Conf Room: There are a number of laws that are in pending
legislation. They're kind of working their way through the process. It's
very interesting, this was a list of 11 at the beginning of the summer.
Things have been condensing and going away, and kind of…
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Quinlan Conf Room: One is that, youth will require an e-bike safety and
training program that the CHP will have to design, so all students grades
7 through 12 parking at public schools will have to take it.
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very odd that
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already, or lights, so the… it's mandated that those are going to be
integrated.
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Quinlan Conf Room: Just a reminder, these are still pending, so this
could still change by the time they become laws, or they could drop off
the face of the planet, but it's interesting to know what's going on. San
Mateo County, is once a pilot program to prohibit children from under the
age of 12 from riding an e-bike.
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Quinlan Conf Room: Right now, the only way to do that is to request a
special carve-out like this. There's no… legally, we can't do that,
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Quinlan Conf Room: So this is on a county level. Could cities also have
their own rules, or is that really not an option?
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state law, I don't know that it would be worth the effort to try and get
that passed.
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Quinlan Conf Room: The, San Diego County and Marin County have similar
things going, and it's kind of understood that all three of these are
pilots, and see if there's something… if they work well, they'll be
rolled out to the whole state.
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again.
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Quinlan Conf Room: called the TSCN. Is that true? Is their goal to
actually propose legislation like that, or what's the goal of that…
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sponsoring that… that meeting, and her goal is
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Quinlan Conf Room: It's really hard to put e-bike laws in place at… in
individual little pieces, right? Like, there's a city piece of it, but
there's also a school district piece of it, and since the school district
boundaries and the city boundaries don't line up, right, it gets really,
really messy.
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Quinlan Conf Room: So she's trying to come up with a… to come up with a
response to e-bikes and e-motos at the county level, so that all school
districts and all cities are part of this, and it makes it a little bit
easier when the profit can enforce it.
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Mountain View, or am I sitting in Sunnyvale? What's the law here? Right,
that gets a little bit…
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Quinlan Conf Room: Yeah, that's what I was thinking, like, you know, if
every city has their own rules, like, oh, I'm part of the bonding. Yeah,
it's very difficult. These things we needed at the center.
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Quinlan Conf Room: So those are those. And now, these are… I kind of did…
think of it as a literature search. I wanted to see what was out there.
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there is more information in your packet. I didn't…
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Quinlan Conf Room: So they kind of fall into different classes, and
different school districts have done different fine details to each of
these, but…
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right? You can ride to school, but once you get on campus, you have to
get off whatever your wheels are and walk them.
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can ride on this path, but nowhere else.
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Quinlan Conf Room: But that's the most. Most… almost all schools are, you
have to walk your bike once you get to campus.
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classes. Some middle schools are allowing Class 1, but not class… but no
throttles. So throttle bands are really big.
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is okay, but no more than that, right? So there are different variations
on what schools are allowing.
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from campus by default, but school districts are saying, I'm going to put
this out in black and white, so that parents… there's no question, right?
And parents can't
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and white. A lot of schools are experimenting with registration programs,
like, you have to register your bike before you're allowed to bring it on
campus.
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in theory, but the cities that we know that have tried it, it just
becomes a barrier to biking, right? You…
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all this, I'm not gonna bother. So, that has to be tempered a little bit.
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that is already, legally there. Anyone under 18 on a wheeled device has
to have a helmet on their head.
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reiterating that.
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Am I allowed to bring in members of the public who happen to be here? I
don't know if I'm…
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Okay, so then I will just say that, Stanley Kao is here, he's the,
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Stanley, once we have the public. Great. It is my understanding… I'll
hold my questions.
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more interesting to us. What can we do on the city side?
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legally allowed to do, because we can't override a vehicle code.
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bike, an e-bike or an e-scooter, especially on the sidewalk.
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different flavors. Cupertino already has. You can't ride on the sidewalk
over the age of 12.
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Quinlan Conf Room: Or unless you're accompanying somebody that age. But,
you could do more, like, you could limit that, you could do away with
those… the little kids, you could make it more.
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riding, but given it a speed limit.
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Quinlan Conf Room: One city, I cannot remember which one, but it's in
your packet, did something super interesting. They've limited it only
little bikes, and there's a size limit on the bike that can be on the
sidewalk, and the theory that it's the little kids riding the little
bikes who need to be on the sidewalk, and by the time you're in a 29-inch
bike, you should be on the road.
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the Cupertino regulation is, everybody…
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sidewalk is if they're accompanying a little kid. Right. And then…
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you genuinely think it is too dangerous on the road, because there's
something in the road, or there's construction, or something's going on,
and so you hop up on the sidewalk to avoid it, and then get back in the
lane, the sheriff's office will not…
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of cities are trying, like, downtown, if there's a, you know, big
crossway where there's lots and lots of people going, sorry, you have to
get up and walk, I don't care what you're riding.
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Quinlan Conf Room: There's all kinds of trail riding bands. These come in
all kinds of flavors. We have some on our trails already. There are
others, like, anything from just no e-devices on a trail, which is what
Midpen does, to, you know, speed limits, to age limits.
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the emotos. They're explicitly going out and saying these devices are
banned, these devices will be impounded, and, you know, things like…
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are going to be, and then working with their law enforcement on bigger,
like, back-down efforts on these.
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bikes.
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two extra seats, that's different, right? But these… the eMotos, where
you've got the second person, like, just kind of perched on the back,
that's already illegal, but some cities are finding it useful to
reiterate that in black and white.
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this should be illegal already, but they call it out specifically.
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making their way through the courts right now. Cases where
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illegal, and somebody got hurt, whether it's the minor themselves, or
whether, in one case over in the East Bay, an elderly gentleman was
killed.
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that, because they knowingly bought their kid something that was ill and
dangerous. And then, also, corollary to that is endangering a minor.
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Quinlan Conf Room: Those are the ones I called out. I think there's a
couple more in our packet, but these are the ones that seemed…
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Quinlan Conf Room: we could do in Cupertino. I made no attempts to
propose things. There's so much up in the air going around, I didn't know
who would be interested in what, so I wanted to start with, these are the
types of things that are out there.
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Quinlan Conf Room: Some cities have at least a clean success on some of
the initiatives, like marine.
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think I've watched this,
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Quinlan Conf Room: one-hour event that is sitting there out, that means
we can have many, I think.
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the cities who successfully implemented some of those things, so I… I
don't know if,
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settings and looking at their specific implementations.
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will probably regulate over the next few years, but the question is, is
there anything you can do
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Quinlan Conf Room: Personally, I'm not seeing the issues with the pedal-
assisted bikes that go 20 miles an hour. I think it's everything above.
The throttle assist, it's the faster ones, it's like the illegal ones.
Those are the real problems sometimes.
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Quinlan Conf Room: The tools, does the sheriff have the tools to…
Crackdown on those.
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Quinlan Conf Room: And I will say, if you look at the models where they
have been successful, it's because the city, county, law enforcement, and
schools all work together, right? That's when it works, because
otherwise, the kids are amazing, right? They just find ways around,
right? So you have to close all the loopholes at once.
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Quinlan Conf Room: Any more clarifying questions on this topic before I
open to, for the public?
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Quinlan Conf Room: If not, then let me just invite members of the public
to speak on this topic, either in the room here or on Zoom.
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Quinlan Conf Room: Brilliant.
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Quinlan Conf Room: Thank you. Yeah, my name is Stanley Hope. I'm
currently serving at Fremont University, and students ride a bike or walk
to the school campus. It's something we are really encouraging.
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Quinlan Conf Room: And, unless it's, street illegal. Otherwise, we really
encourage students to walk and bike to the campus. And currently, we just
learned that we have about, 10% students are, bike to the school, and we
want to increase that, so…
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Quinlan Conf Room: So that's why I want… I want… I come here to… to learn
more about how the city can support students,
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Quinlan Conf Room: Yep. Thank you. Okay, great, thank you. Can you ask
questions as to what, what a FUSSD is doing, even, like, some of the
examples.
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considering any policies for e-bikes? Yeah, we… well, currently, we don't
have any policy, we just, followed,
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Quinlan Conf Room: the city code. We have 5 high schools, so we are
covering, six high… six cities, including, Cupertino, we have, three
schools, and also we have one school at West San City, and one school at,
Sunnyvale.
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Quinlan Conf Room: And, we're not really, up to date for, e-bike, policy
yet.
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Quinlan Conf Room: We do have a lot of, e-bikes and some of the e-models,
in the campus.
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Quinlan Conf Room: And we always, have our school administrators educate
our students and parents. Emoto is, illegal. They cannot come to the
school, but,
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campus, so we are not really, having any staff following up if there's, a
e-moto came to, came to the school.
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we… there's no way we can block them.
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Quinlan Conf Room: You know, so… so, basically, we're talking about CD
code, if… if the student writing emotives, actually, this is illegal.
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some up-to-date policy, as long as, our city has some policy on that, and
we can definitely update our, ours to…
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Quinlan Conf Room: to reinforce that. Would it make sense to do the
enforcement through the sheriff right now? I mean, if students are riding
illegal bikes to school, I mean, that certainly is not ideal, I would
say. Of course. Is there a way to
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Quinlan Conf Room: Have the sheriff being a little bit more present on
arrival times and departure times.
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Quinlan Conf Room: So, we work with, you know, sheriff, very closely. We
never call,
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Quinlan Conf Room: But they are helping all campuses for general events,
for school has its own space.
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low. Like, Homestead, I visited several times, just trying to count the
emotives, probably just less than 5.
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Quinlan Conf Room: At Fremont, at Homestead High School, we have 2,000
students, and the 10%, which is 200 students, are riding bikes to… to
the, to campus, and probably only, less than 10, e-motos. We have about,
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Quinlan Conf Room: Like you just mentioned. Because sometimes it's very,
very hard to see
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spatial Obvious shaped.
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identify
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Quinlan Conf Room: And that's something that our administrators also need
to learn about that. So they need to know how to
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Quinlan Conf Room: categorize, right, identify that emotion. Wonderful.
Thank you, Stanley. Thanks for joining us today. I have some questions.
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Quinlan Conf Room: So, you said, you know, you have 10% of the people
come biking, right? So, are you trying to encourage biking, or e-biking,
or both?
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right? So, we… we also… some of the students are living a little bit
farther away.
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them, you know. We're also trying to, improve our campus, so we're going
to have a… a covered, bike rack. We'll encourage e-
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right now, all the bike ramps are under the sun.
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Quinlan Conf Room: We're trying to improve that as well. So, do you have
a breakdown of, you know, how many of the 9th graders, you know, what was
10th graders, 11th, and 12th, in that, you know, the 10%? Like, which is
the highest
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tallies…
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Quinlan Conf Room: start to answer that question, but can't really,
because there's no good way to count, right? If we count bikes, you don't
know whose bike that is. And when we look at the travel tallies, there
are a lot of classes that, at the high school level, that are mixed
grades.
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Quinlan Conf Room: And you can't ask the teachers to say, okay, all 9th
graders who bike to school, right? That's too complicated. So we don't
really have an answer to what grade. There is a report out from last
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Quinlan Conf Room: February, on how many bikes, and how many e-bikes, and
how many e-motos, so I can get you a copy of that if you haven't seen it.
And then at the county level, they're talking about recounting that in
September, so we'll get another update on that. I think it would be
really fantastic if we could… we had this discussion on the counts
before, where the past bikes was just one
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important for the county to really get a better understanding this year,
and track by number. I know this is a little bit off-topic.
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Quinlan Conf Room: But I think because it's related to it, I think it
would be really important to… We do have another member of the public
waiting to speak. Okay, wonderful. Let's just… any other questions for
Stanley, or… I have one more question. Sure. Let's just… why don't get
your question, and then… Yeah. So…
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encourage more, bike? Like, for example, the idea that I was thinking
was,
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hey, you guys, you know, bike this many days a year, or whatever, you get
this extra credit, or whatever, so… so that might entice people to bike
more, because the kids that bike at the early age.
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the rest of their life, right? So… so we want to catch them at school,
middle school, high school level. So if we can do something to encourage
them, like, you know, you get a bonus credit here, a bonus credit there
for biking, that might encourage people to do it. Just an idea.
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afternoon, we had a safe route to school,
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school, within Cupertino City, we have a student representative to,
attend, and also we have,
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School, working group meeting, and, the students are doing a lot of
activities encouraging other, their, you know, their peers, their
classmates to write about.
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having the individual school, like we mentioned about, Fremont High
School, which they are, many students are living far away.
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harder to convert them.
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to, educate our parents, encourage their students to walk all by to the
school. And that's what district can do, but the students are doing a lot
by themselves because of high schoolers.
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Quinlan Conf Room: Thank you. Thank you.
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Quinlan Conf Room: Thank you, Cindy. Thank you very much. Just, switch
over to the, second speaker. Our next speaker is Nori.
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Quinlan Conf Room: Welcome, Nori.
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Nori: Thanks for this opportunity. Very quick, quick questions.
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Nori: What about in the park?
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Nori: the e-bike, or e-moto, or e-scooter, can they… Allowed right in the
park?
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Nori: And the second question is, they should be banned in the park. And
the second question is.
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Nori: immortal, why don't they…
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Nori: required, like, a license plate, just like a motorcycle, because if
there was an accident on the road or a park or anywhere, we cannot claim
to shelf, because they run so fast, and there's no proof for them, got a
license, no license plate.
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excellent. Thank you so much.
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Quinlan Conf Room: Let's, just bring this back to the Commission now for
a discussion on the topic.
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ongoing topic. I think there is accidents to be waiting. Other cities
have taken action.
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proactive about it. So I think if there's any discussion that members
want to have, I would love to welcome that.
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Quinlan Conf Room: I would like to. So there are multiple of the safety
issues, especially the kids who are riding these e-bikes or e-motors.
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public, in the sense, like, people on, like, on these devices, they are…
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Quinlan Conf Room: In Las Vegas, I was in the city of San Jose, and so in
a residential street, a small residential street, I was a kid was…
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but I mean, it was just coming in the middle of the road.
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he was not wearing a helmet, and we were just weaving through the…
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the motorist in danger, or both, right? So this is a…
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for either. So that's…
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know, riding on sidewalks.
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look at it. I mean, it's been happening for some time now, and I think
this is a good time that people are taking notice of it. And as a city.
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Quinlan Conf Room: you know, e-bikes or e-motors in our city, right? It's
too late. I think it's better for us to do proactively
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Quinlan Conf Room: As to whatever we can do.
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Quinlan Conf Room: as a city, right, the city ordinance, or something
that we can, as a Bicycle Pedestrian Commission, we can recommend to the
council.
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Quinlan Conf Room: If not in this meeting, right, at least we should.
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Quinlan Conf Room: Proactively start to draft it and ask city staff to
come back with the proposal, so that way it's easier… it saves time for
us to deliberate this, or we can have a subcommittee to
428
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Quinlan Conf Room: To go out and look at this, and then come up with a
proposal.
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Quinlan Conf Room: Either, either, either option is fine, so… That's my…
That's my purpose, yeah.
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Quinlan Conf Room: Do we know anything about the ages of these kids that
are driving these e-motos and e-bikes? How young are they?
431
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Quinlan Conf Room: So you can see, they're just really starting to hit
middle school. I have seen one or two in an elementary school, but very,
very few. Middle schools, they're not really there yet, but they're
really hitting high schools.
432
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Quinlan Conf Room: So it's the… all the data I've seen is high school,
college.
433
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Quinlan Conf Room: So, in Cupertino, you can… you could ride an e-bike on
the sidewalk, is that correct? I mean, if you're 12 and under?
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Quinlan Conf Room: If, yes.
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Quinlan Conf Room: So…
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Quinlan Conf Room: You know, I have a problem with having any e-bike on
the sidewalk, just because they have so much, you know, power and
acceleration.
437
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Quinlan Conf Room: You know, when somebody's pedaling a bike, it's one
thing, but when they have a bike that's electrified, it's like…
438
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Quinlan Conf Room: They can go pretty fast.
439
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Quinlan Conf Room: Yeah, so I asked what age they're, you know.
440
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Quinlan Conf Room: But, you know, when you're going down Stevens Creek,
if you're walking down Stevens Creek, there are kids that are on the
sidewalk.
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Quinlan Conf Room: on Stevens Creek Boulevard on e-bikes, and sometimes
going pretty fast. I've been walking a walk down Stevens Creek Boulevard,
and that is…
442
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Quinlan Conf Room: it really is a, I think, a serious safety problem,
because, you know, they miss you, I mean, I haven't been hit, but, you
know, you know, it's, it…
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Quinlan Conf Room: give you some serious injuries. And the other thing I
would say is that there's been this explosion in
444
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Quinlan Conf Room: you know, I've heard it readily seen in the press for
an explosion of injuries
445
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Quinlan Conf Room: Kids on e-bikes and e-motives. Sometimes they don't
distinguish in the press, in national press, they just throw it all in
one bin.
446
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Quinlan Conf Room: But, I mean, they're talking a factor of length.
447
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Quinlan Conf Room: Like, 20 times what the accident rate was before.
448
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Quinlan Conf Room: You know, just an explosion of injuries and serious
injuries and potent deaths.
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Quinlan Conf Room: So I don't know if that, if parents are aware of that.
Usually, if the parents are aware of some of these, you know, the injury
rates that are associated with some of these things that…
450
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Quinlan Conf Room: they're more apt to take action, and, you know,
Cupertino's a pretty…
451
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Quinlan Conf Room: I would say it's a pretty protective town, I mean,
overall, but I'm just shocked at the number of, you know, what I see
going on in Cupertino with e-bikes, e-motos, and e-scooters, too.
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Quinlan Conf Room: Where's it.
453
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Quinlan Conf Room: The numbers here have really show that
454
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Quinlan Conf Room: e-models are everywhere I can see.
455
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Quinlan Conf Room: You see them everywhere.
456
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Quinlan Conf Room: just need to watch, especially, like, Steven Street
Boulevard. Those are the throttle-assisted kikes that go, like, 40 miles
an hour or more.
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Quinlan Conf Room: That is… I'm really wondering…
458
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Quinlan Conf Room: The laws are here already don't need to develop new
laws, it's just the enforcement of the law seems to be a problem.
459
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Quinlan Conf Room: I mean, there may be some tuning on regulation and
whatnot, but even if we would enforce the existing laws, like the…
460
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Quinlan Conf Room: From the school year, it looks like there is…
461
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Quinlan Conf Room: No way for the school themselves to do any enforcement
about the posters, but…
462
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Quinlan Conf Room: Could we encourage the sheriff to help us here, too?
463
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Quinlan Conf Room: bring safety to those schools. I don't think we should
regulate too much bikes, per se, the Class 1 bikes. I mean, those are…
those are great tools for the students that come from a longer distance
and whatnot there, but I think it's the… it's the other ones that are
involved.
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Quinlan Conf Room: So it is my understanding that the sheriff's office
cannot give tickets on school property. So what Stanley said that they
can't enforce, that they can't… the school district is responsible for
enforcing things on school property.
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Quinlan Conf Room: Sheriff's office can do getting to school property on
public streets. So that's why it's a joint handshake.
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Quinlan Conf Room: Situation.
467
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Quinlan Conf Room: That is also part of why the Sheriff's Office was so
interested in bringing back that juvenile diversion program, right?
Because that's a place to
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Quinlan Conf Room: Send these kids.
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Quinlan Conf Room: The other concern I would have is, like, if you have
a… if you have a protected bike lane, and you're on a regular bike, some
of these
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Quinlan Conf Room: You know, they're just… now, if you've got somebody on
an e-motor or e-bike.
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Quinlan Conf Room: they can easily overtake you, and then there isn't
really… sometimes… bikes are just too close together, if one wants to…
the e-bike wants to pass the person on the standard bike, and I don't
know if the traffic engineers really have…
472
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Quinlan Conf Room: Looked into this, issue
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Quinlan Conf Room: of what's happening when you mix e-bikes and regular
bikes together. I think that's probably part of why some of the districts
are…
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Quinlan Conf Room: restricting use of e-bike. I think it's… what's the…
Open Space Authority. Yeah.
475
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Quinlan Conf Room: BitPen is completely, I think, blocking any bugs for
exactly that purpose.
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Quinlan Conf Room: That's a little bit… Aggressive in many ways.
477
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Quinlan Conf Room: But I think,
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Quinlan Conf Room: the fast ones, the throttle-assisted, the one, the
Class 3s, and whatever, those are the ones that
479
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Quinlan Conf Room: I think they have more base in those spaces.
480
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Quinlan Conf Room: You know, it's not a black and white topic. It's very
gray in many ways. It's an interesting one, because
481
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Quinlan Conf Room: I want to strike a balance between…
482
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Quinlan Conf Room: Not discouraging kids to take their fights, and…
483
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Quinlan Conf Room: Do you want to provide some…
484
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Quinlan Conf Room: certain level of safety for the community as a whole,
and not just the kids themselves, but also pedestrians and everyone.
485
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Quinlan Conf Room: And I think if you look at… Kind of…
486
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Quinlan Conf Room: what, where, to where, and how fast. I think there are
questions that we can answer.
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Quinlan Conf Room: some we cannot, like, the what. I think, to your
point, it's very hard to regulate, like, oh, this is a Class B, or a
Class 1, Class 2, like, nobody can really differentiate that, so as a
city, I don't think we should focus on that. Where people would ride
their bike, I think, is a more pertinent question.
488
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Quinlan Conf Room: I think having… Bill… Electric bikes on sidewalks
makes sense.
489
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Quinlan Conf Room: I mean, in general, and if the parents want to
accompany their children on a bike, they don't need any bike, they can
take a regular bike.
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Quinlan Conf Room: What I think is important, and I want to go back to
the speaker, today's speaker, who mentioned that, you know, there were a
lot of people coming by bicycle, like, having e-bikes, e-scooters, and
that person did not feel safe. Heard that, also, that feedback from some
other members of the community, so it's not the first time.
491
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Quinlan Conf Room: But it's also a question of, okay, if, for example,
you take your bike to go to the park, how do you… how do you get there,
right? So you're not gonna, like, if we forbid e-bikes in the park, then
we also make it harder for people, like, we remove an incentive
492
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Quinlan Conf Room: for cyclists to actually take their bike to somewhere,
and they might think, oh, if I cannot park my bike here, because, you
know, the bike is going to be outside, for example, because bikes are
forbidden, then I might go as well with my car, and then what incentives.
So we need to be…
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Quinlan Conf Room: Very careful as to what we can want for bid or not,
because, again, the incentive should be to make it easy for everyone to
ride… to ride their bike.
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Quinlan Conf Room: But I think the one question that, no matter what, is
relevant for that Conversation is how fast?
495
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Quinlan Conf Room: And I think that that's where we all… I think, whether
it's a class A, B, C, D, E, it doesn't matter. If you cannot go faster
than 20 miles an hour, for example, on a bike lane, then I think we're
good. Problem is, if…
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Quinlan Conf Room: these devices go fast, that's when we have a problem.
So that will be my question to staff and Prashanth. Is it possible, and I
know there might be some issues with, like, put some bumpers in the parks
to prevent kids from going very, very fast?
497
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Quinlan Conf Room: That'd be possible?
498
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Quinlan Conf Room: We don't have that kind of… we didn't saw anything
like that having a bumpers. Could we be innovative and say, hey, we're
gonna do some bumpers in Memorial Park to prevent these kids from going
too fast? You mean, like, speed… speed bump on a lot sakes.
499
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Quinlan Conf Room: It has to be… I wanted to make sure that they produce
a tribute.
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Quinlan Conf Room: So I think I'm thinking of older people who might,
like, not walk if they have some issues, but just trying to think out
loud, like, is it something that would be…
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Quinlan Conf Room: Why would you not, at the park entrance, have a bike
ride where those bikes can store them? There's no reason why you have to
ride exactly the park. You can…
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Quinlan Conf Room: drop your car, you're buying at the entrance of the
park. I can tell you one example of that, is if you go, for example, on
the metric trail park, and leave on the side of the Porto or Price
Avenue, you just want to go through
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Quinlan Conf Room: I'm sure there's always more cases to be found. I'm
just talking about, I mean, Memorial Park was brought up. And you can go
literally through to the bike, and if the bike cannot come, then you have
to go all the bike in residential area. I can just see the challenge of
lots of pedestrians
504
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Quinlan Conf Room: Walking at the same place as…
505
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Quinlan Conf Room: those 40 miles an hour throttle assist bikes. I mean,
that's an accident. Yes, there's no question about it.
506
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Quinlan Conf Room: The way is to… Keep those fast buttons away.
507
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Quinlan Conf Room: I think you can say, like, some cities, I think, have
completely blocked fraud-assisted bikes, right?
508
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Quinlan Conf Room: some counties, I believe.
509
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Quinlan Conf Room: But only from the public… I'm sorry, from the
pathways. I don't think they can do it from the roads.
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Quinlan Conf Room: If you have a li- if you have a license, then you're
fine, probably, as well.
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Quinlan Conf Room: Well, no, because something going 40 miles an hour
that says Emoto is probably not street legal in the first place.
512
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Quinlan Conf Room: So it gets very gray.
513
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Quinlan Conf Room: So, I think we can, on the fly, come up with a
solution. So, I think there are a few, things. The salary listed
government city ordinances.
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Quinlan Conf Room: Right? So, our city can do similar ones, so maybe we
can take some other cities, a model city, one or two of them, similar to
our size, and then
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Quinlan Conf Room: bring forwards. That's what I would, you know,
recommend the…
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Quinlan Conf Room: staff to really come up with a proposal, and then, you
know, have a future agenda item where we can specifically discuss it, so
they can come up with what are the pros and cons, and what are the
pitfalls of going one way or the other, right? Because some cities have
done it, it's not that… they're banning bites, any bites, in fact, not
just
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Quinlan Conf Room: You know, e-bikes, like, on sidewalks.
518
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Quinlan Conf Room: So that's… that's one of the things. Because the 12…
519
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Quinlan Conf Room: it's very hard to go and ask someone, are you 12 years
old, are you, like, 10 or, you know, 15? I mean, I see kids here, like,
high school kids, actually riding on e-bikes on the, you know, Pedestrian
sidewalks, so…
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Quinlan Conf Room: It's quite obvious, right? So I don't… I don't think
that… it's very hard for anyone to really find that. The best way is
having a black and white. If they want, they can just write on the… on
the streets, right? So that's the thing that we could… we could do. I
would let the staff really come up with
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Quinlan Conf Room: you know, 3 or 4 concrete ideas, and then also say
what are the pros and cons of either one of them, one of those… each one
of those ideas. And that way, we will be able to have a meaningful
discussion here, and then make a specific recommendation to the Council.
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Quinlan Conf Room: I, I would… I would like… Ideally, I think that…
523
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Quinlan Conf Room: It would be more efficient if the commissioners could
provide some idea of what they would like to see in the city.
524
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Quinlan Conf Room: You know, pros, cons, what might…
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Quinlan Conf Room: legal, what might be not. We've sort of presented you
all at the…
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Quinlan Conf Room: list of ideas of what other jurisdictions have done,
what they'll say. We'd like to hear from the Commission what you feel
would be appropriate for the team of citizens.
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Quinlan Conf Room: If the United States develop.
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Quinlan Conf Room: you know, we've shown you what's possible. It would be
challenging for us to come back to Street Report all agree on.
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Quinlan Conf Room: Alrighty.
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Quinlan Conf Room: correction.
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Quinlan Conf Room: This is, for me.
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Quinlan Conf Room: what's important is, you know, as one of the speakers
spoke, you know, Nori had leap, right? So…
533
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Quinlan Conf Room: I personally have seen it as well, many, many times.
534
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Quinlan Conf Room: Mixing bikers and walkers on the safe trail is
disastrous. And I've tried, you know, a few times before, during COVID.
There are a lot of, you know, new bikers that wanted to take on to
biking.
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Quinlan Conf Room: principal, they were not comfortable riding on the
road along with me, on the road bike, so I took them on the steel. Three.
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Quinlan Conf Room: You know, like, so the issue there is, when you're
going at a reasonable speed, like, you know, 15 miles or something like
that.
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Quinlan Conf Room: and you get closer to the walker, you don't know which
side they're going to swing. They might have a dog, right? They might
have something, right? So they swing to the wrong side, you know, it's a
collision that happens, right? I've seen too many of those, and I avoid
going on trails.
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Quinlan Conf Room: I stick to, you know, my vote, because I have a vote
by quite a lot. I stick to the votes, right? So, I think, you know, this
memorial Park issue that one of the residents spoke about, that's a
pretty serious issue we need to look at, right? So, we don't want, you
know, somebody getting injured
539
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Quinlan Conf Room: And, you know, suing our city because, you know, they
got paralyzed or whatever, right? So, that's a serious issue we need to
look at. We really need to make, you know, everything in Cupertino safe
for all types of people.
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Quinlan Conf Room: walkers, the bikers, and the cars, right? So, with
that in mind, we need to come up with, you know, ideas. Like, for
example, you know, buffered bike lanes, right? Giving enough space,
right? So, so that, you know, the cars stay on the car lanes, and you
know, but at the same time, bikers
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Quinlan Conf Room: there's a space, enough space between the fast-moving
cars and between the bikers. At the same time, the bikers have ability to
get out and get back into the lane, right? To me, that seat makes sense,
right? And so, thus, you know, in force.
542
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Quinlan Conf Room: To some extent, no buyers on the walkways.
543
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Quinlan Conf Room: Ghost.
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Quinlan Conf Room: Okay, well, yeah, kids…
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Quinlan Conf Room: less than 12, you should all up, right? Because, you
know, they're too young, right? So we don't want to put them on the road.
So, it's okay for them, they're not going to go that fast. But, you know,
anybody above 12,
546
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Quinlan Conf Room: they really belong on the road, not on the sidewalk,
right? So we need to enforce that, we need to have… so…
547
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Quinlan Conf Room: And I think, you know, if, sheriff's sites among
those.
548
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Quinlan Conf Room: we will see, you know, showment where, you know,
parents will get involved, okay, and they will say, you know, no, you
can't do this, you know, we are seeing people, you know, getting tickets
for those now, right? So… so I think, you know, it's more of an
enforcement. I'll give you an example. Woodside, Kenyatta Road.
549
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Quinlan Conf Room: You go up and down. I do that every Saturday.
550
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Quinlan Conf Room: There are two subsets.
551
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Quinlan Conf Room: Most of the people, because of the Bikers start there,
because I stopped. But I've seen our people made.
552
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Quinlan Conf Room: There's a cop hiding there in the bushes, and, you
know, you run past that stop sign, you're going to come and be ready,
right? So, one of them is, you know, downhill, you're coming too fast. It
doesn't matter what are the speed, I stop it, because I know, I've seen
enough people getting tickets, right?
553
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Quinlan Conf Room: I think, you know, that's one way to change the
procedure, where, you know, we have to enforce the rules, and we need to,
you know, create environment and the facilities for people to use.
554
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Quinlan Conf Room: Right? Because we really want to be safe for
pedestrians, and bicycles, and as well as cars. If somebody gets injured,
right?
555
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Quinlan Conf Room: I don't think other people in the car will say, you
know, they get nervous, right? Because, you know, they're struggling to
drive for some time because of what happened.
556
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Quinlan Conf Room: I think we as a commission, I mean, I heard from
pretty much all of us here.
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Quinlan Conf Room: that we feel like this is something we need to tackle
as a city, that safety is one of the things we need to tackle. It seems
like there is some
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Quinlan Conf Room: Issues coming up there. There's enough data.
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Quinlan Conf Room: I think we are also probably well-equipped to help the
city, as a commission.
560
01:18:51.840 --> 01:18:54.889
Quinlan Conf Room: The question seems like in the room here is.
561
01:18:55.090 --> 01:19:01.299
Quinlan Conf Room: Should we as a Commission come forward with a set of
recommendations, or is the city coming forward with it?
562
01:19:01.680 --> 01:19:06.460
Quinlan Conf Room: Staff coming forward with a set of recommendations.
That's the… as the basis for discussion.
563
01:19:07.050 --> 01:19:09.009
Quinlan Conf Room: We take it on as a permission.
564
01:19:09.130 --> 01:19:25.649
Quinlan Conf Room: We would probably have to form a subcommittee, I'm
assuming, because this requires probably a lot more in-depth discussion
and analysis and whatnot there. So, I would be willing and considering
such a subcommittee if this is what we want to do as a commission.
565
01:19:25.780 --> 01:19:29.009
Quinlan Conf Room: Or we can push it back to the city and ask.
566
01:19:29.220 --> 01:19:40.479
Quinlan Conf Room: staff to come forward with a recommendation. I'm open
for both. I think both of them have some advantages and disadvantages,
but I think either one of the two is… we should move them to.
567
01:19:42.030 --> 01:19:49.570
Quinlan Conf Room: Either case, like, it's the Commission who's going to
make the recommendation, but then I would say, like, maybe the staff can
take lead.
568
01:19:49.820 --> 01:19:51.500
Quinlan Conf Room: And then put forth
569
01:19:51.620 --> 01:19:56.990
Quinlan Conf Room: at least a list of ideas, not 3 or 4. They don't have
an analog ideas that can say, this is what
570
01:19:57.160 --> 01:20:06.719
Quinlan Conf Room: City A, B, or C has done. I think we should be doing
it. Already, we have ideas right now. We said that, you know, what do we
do about the parks? What do we do about the sidewalks?
571
01:20:06.950 --> 01:20:11.880
Quinlan Conf Room: Right? Whether these… they should be wearing, you
know, helmets, right?
572
01:20:12.150 --> 01:20:21.999
Quinlan Conf Room: Right, so we already… we already know… Traffic
enforcement. Traffic enforcing down the line, right? I think that's
right. Those are all the things that we already have talked about, and
that's good enough for them to start with.
573
01:20:22.160 --> 01:20:24.520
Quinlan Conf Room: As that was the starting point.
574
01:20:24.730 --> 01:20:36.910
Quinlan Conf Room: plus compare against, you know, you mentioned about
Marine, Marine County, right? So that's another example, right? So they
could look, take two, you know, model cities.
575
01:20:37.020 --> 01:20:39.210
Quinlan Conf Room: around Bay Area, and then come back with…
576
01:20:39.340 --> 01:20:44.429
Quinlan Conf Room: With this list of ideas, and then we can deliberate
and shortlist
577
01:20:44.650 --> 01:20:56.809
Quinlan Conf Room: in a product meeting. So, on… on the parks, for
example, the walkways, right? A lot of elderly population in our city,
and you know, they walk, right? So.
578
01:20:57.490 --> 01:21:01.579
Quinlan Conf Room: Definitely no bikes won't be around there. So, should
we be putting up, you know, signs
579
01:21:01.870 --> 01:21:05.259
Quinlan Conf Room: On the walkways to say that there are no bikes.
580
01:21:05.640 --> 01:21:06.420
Quinlan Conf Room: Yep.
581
01:21:06.740 --> 01:21:08.009
Quinlan Conf Room: That would be not true.
582
01:21:11.450 --> 01:21:17.270
Quinlan Conf Room: It prevents a lot of people… it's a barrier for people
to ride their bikes to go from A to Z.
583
01:21:17.520 --> 01:21:24.619
Quinlan Conf Room: You know, as the speaker spoke, right, you know, there
are a lot of places for the bikers to bike, you know, not on the part of
Oahu.
584
01:21:24.660 --> 01:21:40.819
Quinlan Conf Room: Right? Park, walkway, take Jiamin Park, for example,
right? It's a circular, right, walkway. A lot of elderly people come
there to walk. They just go four or five rounds and walk. But if you as a
biker really have to be there, can walk that walkway. Yeah, the biggest
issue, I think, would…
585
01:21:40.820 --> 01:22:00.499
Quinlan Conf Room: Let's say it's not the bike itself, it's more the
speed. And the speaker mentioned that people were zooming from the bike
very quickly. I think that's more the biggest problem to me than it is
the bike itself. If we can reduce the speed at 10 miles per hour, for
example, and say, hey, bikes cannot go, like, they can go how fast they
want, however fast they want on the street, like.
586
01:22:00.620 --> 01:22:11.119
Quinlan Conf Room: I would say 20 miles, actually, per hour. I think
would be a nice limit, so that, for example, in bike lanes, you just
have, like, 20 miles. If you go further, faster than that, you have to go
on the regular road.
587
01:22:11.220 --> 01:22:13.939
Quinlan Conf Room: But I think, yes, we…
588
01:22:14.320 --> 01:22:24.269
Quinlan Conf Room: putting a sign at the entrance of the park saying 10
miles per hour for bikes, I think that would… that would make sense. It's
a lot harder to enforce than somebody asking to walk. Walking is, I can…
589
01:22:24.420 --> 01:22:32.089
Quinlan Conf Room: Yeah, you walk your bike, or no, you go 11 miles, to
find, you know, make sure that people are incentivized.
590
01:22:32.740 --> 01:22:50.019
Quinlan Conf Room: Well, I mean, I understand incentivizing people to
bike is one thing, but now what we are talking about is a safety issue.
And your… your safety issue for even the bikers, it's the pedestrians.
There's a lot of… lot… lot more pedestrians out there, and similarly,
motor… you know, the motorists as well.
591
01:22:50.100 --> 01:22:53.359
Quinlan Conf Room: So I think we need to… we need to consider that,
592
01:22:54.490 --> 01:23:04.430
Quinlan Conf Room: Yeah, that's also a big question, and it's a… it's a
broad issue, so we have to take everything into account. For example, you
mentioned Stevens Creek, Park.
593
01:23:04.430 --> 01:23:16.949
Quinlan Conf Room: And that's like, is that a park? Is that a trail? And
so we asked the people to… because it can be really convenient also for
people to ride their bike on here, so it's like, okay, what do we do
here? Is that we ask people to respond the bike.
594
01:23:18.150 --> 01:23:33.170
Quinlan Conf Room: Or in those cases, you do bikes only provides some
other business regulations have done. I think, you know, trails are a
different beast, where, you know, like the Stevens Creek Trail that kind
of… that cuts across, you know, various cities.
595
01:23:33.170 --> 01:23:40.240
Quinlan Conf Room: those, you know, items, you know, we can enforce
anything, right? So, I'm talking about, you know, the parks where, you
know, which are within our city.
596
01:23:40.240 --> 01:23:59.890
Quinlan Conf Room: we should be able to, you know, have… enforce some
laws that say, you know, hey, parks are meant for no walkers, not for
bike… kids, young kids, biking is fine. Listen 12, you can bike around
the loop, right? Dad is walking, you know, the mom is walking and the kid
is, you know, biking around, right? But for adults to be biking on those
597
01:23:59.990 --> 01:24:08.689
Quinlan Conf Room: park walkways seems, like, you know, uncalled for. I
am very often in this park, and I can see it all the time, but it's…
598
01:24:09.730 --> 01:24:10.850
Quinlan Conf Room: And they don't…
599
01:24:11.000 --> 01:24:25.279
Quinlan Conf Room: Some go fast, but not all of them, and many just go
through and use the car as a part to the regular cruise ride, and also…
so, again, it's not a clear cut of, you know, it's only for pedestrians.
600
01:24:25.550 --> 01:24:37.740
Quinlan Conf Room: Definitely on Woodson Park, it's also a crossway for
people to go… But there's nothing stopping them walking the bike, like,
you know? Again, you put a hurdle, it's a short distance, really, I mean,
it makes no difference.
601
01:24:38.610 --> 01:24:46.879
Quinlan Conf Room: I think 14 years old might disagree with that
statement, and you're not going to ask, or you're going to make them
something, something that's…
602
01:24:47.140 --> 01:24:49.210
Quinlan Conf Room: Go against their relationship.
603
01:24:49.600 --> 01:25:06.759
Quinlan Conf Room: I think we don't want to take… Let's come up with a
proposal, and then we can collectively make a decision what is the right
thing for the city. Sounds like the kind of idea on the table would be
that the city staff will be coming forward with a recommendation.
604
01:25:06.830 --> 01:25:19.529
Quinlan Conf Room: And then we will be reviewing this in an upcoming
meeting. That's what I heard, pretty much, is the recommendation coming
out of this meeting here. Do we need a motion, or do we… is this just…
605
01:25:19.690 --> 01:25:22.689
Quinlan Conf Room: Kind of acceptable to write it down that way.
606
01:25:23.010 --> 01:25:23.850
Quinlan Conf Room: Cute.
607
01:25:28.010 --> 01:25:33.600
Quinlan Conf Room: I think we should probably do a motion so that it's
properly documented in the meeting minutes.
608
01:25:33.740 --> 01:25:40.160
Quinlan Conf Room: So, moving to approve a motion to,
609
01:25:40.630 --> 01:25:46.780
Quinlan Conf Room: Take a detailed look into the e-bike and e-motor
Safety.
610
01:25:46.890 --> 01:25:48.040
Quinlan Conf Room: Issues.
611
01:25:51.880 --> 01:25:56.079
Quinlan Conf Room: And doing so means we need a lot of
612
01:25:56.400 --> 01:25:59.379
Quinlan Conf Room: We expect a follow-up meeting from tonight.
613
01:26:00.220 --> 01:26:09.250
Quinlan Conf Room: To review staff recommendations for E-bike, e-motal,
safety improvements.
614
01:26:10.170 --> 01:26:14.870
Quinlan Conf Room: For… for discussion. Sorry, that was a long… scramble.
615
01:26:15.110 --> 01:26:17.210
Quinlan Conf Room: Did it capture everything? Yep.
616
01:26:24.980 --> 01:26:27.519
Quinlan Conf Room: No, same thing? Yeah, one wish.
617
01:26:27.850 --> 01:26:29.530
Quinlan Conf Room: Strengthening.
618
01:26:42.520 --> 01:26:48.850
Quinlan Conf Room: I think it can be, as I said, can be broader, so that
they have the flexibility to develop it. Yeah, yeah.
619
01:26:56.630 --> 01:26:58.440
Quinlan Conf Room: Over the recommendations.
620
01:26:58.860 --> 01:27:01.809
Quinlan Conf Room: Come up with a set of, recommendations.
621
01:27:06.350 --> 01:27:07.539
Quinlan Conf Room: to prove…
622
01:27:10.790 --> 01:27:11.950
Quinlan Conf Room: CSP.
623
01:27:15.410 --> 01:27:17.000
Quinlan Conf Room: In Cupertino.
624
01:27:26.510 --> 01:27:28.990
Quinlan Conf Room: I want to say is that staff?
625
01:27:30.830 --> 01:27:35.080
Quinlan Conf Room: So, there's something called key safety issues.
Safety, right?
626
01:27:35.520 --> 01:27:40.649
Quinlan Conf Room: Yeah. E-bike and e-motos. E-bike and eMoto. Emoto, I
shouldn't say e-moto.
627
01:27:41.380 --> 01:27:43.739
Quinlan Conf Room: Safety issues. Safety issues, yeah.
628
01:27:45.780 --> 01:27:47.230
Quinlan Conf Room: This is Capture.
629
01:27:47.850 --> 01:27:52.189
Quinlan Conf Room: Want to put scooters in it, too? I think they're on
the Moto. Okay.
630
01:27:54.020 --> 01:27:55.840
Quinlan Conf Room: But I agree, I think they should be…
631
01:28:00.090 --> 01:28:05.019
Quinlan Conf Room: present in a follow-up, follow-up meeting of what you
said? Yeah, follow-up meeting, yeah, yeah, yeah.
632
01:28:05.680 --> 01:28:14.620
Quinlan Conf Room: And, I mean, ideally, ideally, I mean, I think there
is some sense of urgency. Ideally, if we could do it, within the next few
months, and ideally, I would…
633
01:28:15.020 --> 01:28:20.260
Quinlan Conf Room: urge us to… to move swiftly on this one, so I would
say before the end of the year.
634
01:28:20.700 --> 01:28:21.690
Quinlan Conf Room: Good deal.
635
01:28:41.410 --> 01:28:51.329
Quinlan Conf Room: I think it covers it. Yeah. Do we have a second for
it? Yes, that comes. Okay, so we have a motion, we have a second. Let's
do a vote on this matter.
636
01:28:57.710 --> 01:29:02.179
Quinlan Conf Room: Who's the first… like, who first… I'm sharing, I'm a
solution.
637
01:29:02.940 --> 01:29:04.089
Quinlan Conf Room: I'll fix that.
638
01:29:08.570 --> 01:29:22.089
Quinlan Conf Room: to approve the motion, staff to take a detailed look
into e-bike and e-motor safety issues, and come up with a set of
recommendations to improve safety within Cupertino as a follow-up meeting
by the end of the year.
639
01:29:22.390 --> 01:29:31.070
Quinlan Conf Room: How do you vote for the… for this motion from Chair?
Yes. Eshelbert? Yes. Vice Chair Madharpatla? Yes.
640
01:29:31.310 --> 01:29:33.350
Quinlan Conf Room: And Commissioner Ganga? Yep.
641
01:29:33.700 --> 01:29:35.430
Quinlan Conf Room: Commissioner Marcy? Yes.
642
01:29:35.920 --> 01:29:37.589
Quinlan Conf Room: Commissioner Lewis? Yes.
643
01:29:37.700 --> 01:29:46.889
Quinlan Conf Room: Okay, motion passed 5-0. Excellent. Thank you very
much. I think it was a good discussion. Thanks for your input, also from
the public speakers tonight.
644
01:29:47.610 --> 01:29:53.249
Quinlan Conf Room: So… That covers that topic.
645
01:29:58.420 --> 01:30:04.930
Quinlan Conf Room: Hello, Now we are on to our next item for tonight.
646
01:30:06.050 --> 01:30:07.640
Quinlan Conf Room: Which is…
647
01:30:09.210 --> 01:30:22.180
Quinlan Conf Room: It's item number 4 on our agenda, and its title is,
Safe Routes to School, Fiscal Year 26-27 Budget. I think it's back again
to you later.
648
01:30:23.530 --> 01:30:24.580
Quinlan Conf Room: Thank you.
649
01:30:25.200 --> 01:30:32.299
Quinlan Conf Room: This is a follow-up on what I presented last…
Remember? February, March?
650
01:30:32.770 --> 01:30:45.769
Quinlan Conf Room: I presented kind of an overview of what we were doing,
and then got questions back to one into the financial aspect of things.
So, I don't want to reiterate all of what we talked about then, I just
wanted to
651
01:30:46.330 --> 01:30:59.099
Quinlan Conf Room: put this back up and show you all the things that
SafeRoutes kind of covers, because it's easy to say. I mean, we developed
the word SafeRoutes to kind of make it a fun… like a handle, like a…
652
01:30:59.710 --> 01:31:11.139
Quinlan Conf Room: you know, a way to talk about a very complicated
subject, but I just wanted to remind you that it is actually really
complicated, and that it's not one entity, it's a coalition of everybody
in town.
653
01:31:13.260 --> 01:31:33.249
Quinlan Conf Room: This is our budget. I started with numbers that, the
mayor had mentioned, what, at this point, it's about a year ago. So I
kind of started with her one million, number that's been around a lot,
and I'm kind of working backwards.
654
01:31:33.360 --> 01:31:35.780
Quinlan Conf Room: So, a lot of our budget
655
01:31:36.170 --> 01:31:54.070
Quinlan Conf Room: is things that we can't control from the city, so it
is, cost allocations to other groups, right? So things like we get
charged for a certain percentage for legal fees, and a certain percentage
of the secretarial fees, and all of those.
656
01:31:54.830 --> 01:32:03.170
Quinlan Conf Room: Employee compensation, so my salary and Chelsea's
salary and our benefits, so that's that dark gray
657
01:32:03.320 --> 01:32:09.320
Quinlan Conf Room: budget. So, yes, it's part of our budget, but I don't
really feel we have a huge control over that.
658
01:32:09.900 --> 01:32:19.860
Quinlan Conf Room: The other giant piece of what goes into this official
Safe Routes budget is the crossing guard contract. That is by far the
single most
659
01:32:20.030 --> 01:32:21.530
Quinlan Conf Room: large item.
660
01:32:21.950 --> 01:32:26.780
Quinlan Conf Room: That is per year for all the crossing… all 16 crossing
guards in town.
661
01:32:28.620 --> 01:32:35.000
Quinlan Conf Room: And then there's what I consider the actual Safe
Routes budget, like our working budget.
662
01:32:35.280 --> 01:32:44.089
Quinlan Conf Room: So I blew that up for you so you can kind of see. Most
of our working budget is currently spent on education. We run
663
01:32:47.590 --> 01:33:00.919
Quinlan Conf Room: all of the K-8 education we run, and then some of our
high school education as well. That is all 100% grant funded at this
point, so that is not city funds.
664
01:33:02.280 --> 01:33:21.439
Quinlan Conf Room: We also run Bike Fest, which, as we've grown, it's
really cool, but we've also had to grow the budget with it, so, that is
a… that's the orange piece of that, and that is mostly grant funded at
this point. We fund that mostly through, bike… sorry, through Measure B
County.
665
01:33:21.780 --> 01:33:37.049
Quinlan Conf Room: And then we also have a small pool of program
expenses. This covers mostly those encouragement, incentive-type items,
the safety vests that we give out when we do bike workshops.
666
01:33:37.060 --> 01:33:44.169
Quinlan Conf Room: You know, the stickers we hand out to incentivize a
kindergartner to walk to school, that type of thing.
667
01:33:45.730 --> 01:33:46.549
Quinlan Conf Room: Got it.
668
01:33:47.810 --> 01:33:56.199
Quinlan Conf Room: I apparently should have paged through, because I'd
forgotten that I had, more details on each of these. The education
contracts, if you don't know.
669
01:33:56.290 --> 01:34:13.070
Quinlan Conf Room: From previous… we went over. So we do kindergarten
Pedestrian education along with second grade pedestrian, and then we do
bike education for fourth graders and middle schools, and e-bike
education is starting to be folded into that.
670
01:34:13.390 --> 01:34:19.440
Quinlan Conf Room: We started with the middle school, it's clear that
that probably has to go to the high school level, and we're still
figuring out that piece.
671
01:34:20.400 --> 01:34:26.810
Quinlan Conf Room: This is the Bike Fest that kind of breaks into the big
expenses for Bike Fest for us.
672
01:34:26.810 --> 01:34:42.159
Quinlan Conf Room: Or a couple years ago, we started hiring out… we rent
the tables and chairs and canopies, and pay the same company to set them
up and take them down for us. It is the best money I have ever spent in
my entire life to not have to set up 30 canopies that morning.
673
01:34:42.160 --> 01:34:45.040
Quinlan Conf Room: So, it's pretty awesome that we have money for it.
674
01:34:45.040 --> 01:34:53.539
Quinlan Conf Room: There's some permits and insurance, and then we do
spend some money on volunteer food, keeping them happy.
675
01:34:53.840 --> 01:35:02.929
Quinlan Conf Room: Some of the rides and games cost money as well. We do
an awful lot with volunteering, but at some point, you have to pay people
to come back year after year.
676
01:35:05.510 --> 01:35:13.800
Quinlan Conf Room: And then this… this is what I'm saying about our
program expenses. There are… the bulk of it is in encouragement programs.
We also…
677
01:35:14.250 --> 01:35:21.619
Quinlan Conf Room: the, high school representatives Stanley was talking
about, that we have two at each school who are doing,
678
01:35:21.790 --> 01:35:22.970
Quinlan Conf Room: putting on…
679
01:35:23.330 --> 01:35:34.470
Quinlan Conf Room: programming themselves, we give each of them a grant
to the tune of $500 every year to do something with. It is amazing what
they manage to do with $500.
680
01:35:34.670 --> 01:35:38.239
Quinlan Conf Room: There's a bunch of outreach, some conferences, little
things like that.
681
01:35:39.480 --> 01:35:46.180
Quinlan Conf Room: So that is… our budget in a nutshell. Excellent. Thank
you, Birgit.
682
01:35:47.160 --> 01:35:49.880
Quinlan Conf Room: I was wondering if we have any,
683
01:35:50.050 --> 01:35:53.859
Quinlan Conf Room: Questions, clarifying questions from the Commissioner.
684
01:35:54.960 --> 01:35:56.300
Quinlan Conf Room: on this topic.
685
01:36:01.560 --> 01:36:09.100
Quinlan Conf Room: If not, then I'm opening up for the public for any
comments and questions on this topic specifically.
686
01:36:10.990 --> 01:36:19.449
Quinlan Conf Room: Go ahead to speak on that? Yeah, yeah, so, oh, one
moment while I bring up the timer. One moment while I bring up the timer.
Okay.
687
01:36:20.630 --> 01:36:25.250
Quinlan Conf Room: Yeah, Oh, sorry.
688
01:36:27.490 --> 01:36:34.589
Quinlan Conf Room: Okay, go ahead. Yeah, so we are also on the topic, the
crosswalk, any crosswalk to Prospect Road.
689
01:36:34.830 --> 01:36:35.990
Quinlan Conf Room: Being alive.
690
01:36:36.160 --> 01:36:42.409
Quinlan Conf Room: So… we discussed this in this meeting, like, 3 months
ago, right? And I proposed the program, like.
691
01:36:42.550 --> 01:36:44.800
Quinlan Conf Room: 9 years old. So…
692
01:36:44.910 --> 01:37:02.369
Quinlan Conf Room: there are… there are… there are several acts that
happened on the stereo because of the crosswalk, and Prospect Road, and,
Wonko. So, yeah, I'll show you guys, like, the pictures about Extend, and
lots of bikers going across the street, and also
693
01:37:02.660 --> 01:37:07.880
Quinlan Conf Room: occurs, started dangerous for the block.
694
01:37:08.400 --> 01:37:12.770
Quinlan Conf Room: What is the schedule wrong way, or we discussed it?
Awesome.
695
01:37:13.150 --> 01:37:24.279
Quinlan Conf Room: So the topic, actually, we're covering here is the
Safe Routes to School program, but I think I know your specific guidance
is about the prospect vote and some of the issues that we developed
before the meeting.
696
01:37:24.440 --> 01:37:31.829
Quinlan Conf Room: We have an agenda item, tonight, where we're talking
about, the September meeting.
697
01:37:32.390 --> 01:37:39.610
Quinlan Conf Room: And it's not scheduled yet, but we're going to discuss
in the September meeting if we can include this fall weekend in
September. September?
698
01:37:39.850 --> 01:37:51.649
Quinlan Conf Room: Yes. Okay, sounds good. It's not confirmed yet, I'm
just saying we will discuss, when we talk about the topic tonight, my
proposal will be tonight that we discuss this topic in this opinion.
699
01:37:51.790 --> 01:37:53.709
Quinlan Conf Room: Okay, got it. Okay, thank you.
700
01:37:54.310 --> 01:37:56.539
Quinlan Conf Room: Thank you for joining us again tonight.
701
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Quinlan Conf Room: Any other, public speakers on this topic on the St.
Johnson School topic? We have no remaining speakers sharing. Excellent,
thank you. So, bringing it back to the Commission now for a discussion on
this, on this topic.
702
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Quinlan Conf Room: Any questions, any, follow-ups from Birgit
presentations? Yeah, can you provide the charts that you have? The
overall chart, which has the total budget?
703
01:38:34.530 --> 01:38:43.210
Quinlan Conf Room: So here, the majority of these expenses is going
through the crossing guard contract itself. How does this work?
704
01:38:43.470 --> 01:38:47.259
Quinlan Conf Room: And is it… Yeah, it would be even explained.
705
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Quinlan Conf Room: Part of the… Crossing got contacted for Tony.
706
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Quinlan Conf Room: For the 16 crossing nuts, how is this for?
707
01:38:55.370 --> 01:38:58.239
Quinlan Conf Room: So we hire… we contract…
708
01:38:58.380 --> 01:39:05.550
Quinlan Conf Room: with a company called ACMS, all… I'm not sure what
ACMS stands for, all cross-managed. All city management. All city.
709
01:39:06.870 --> 01:39:16.289
Quinlan Conf Room: And, they provide the crossing guards, all oversight.
Somebody calls in sick, they manage to manage the whole thing.
710
01:39:17.060 --> 01:39:18.890
Quinlan Conf Room: One, vegetables.
711
01:39:20.480 --> 01:39:25.280
Quinlan Conf Room: Okay, so is, are the crossing guards paid… form.
712
01:39:25.490 --> 01:39:32.720
Quinlan Conf Room: For the, what? Crossing guards are paid, and they're,
they're employees of ACMS.
713
01:39:33.580 --> 01:39:45.800
Quinlan Conf Room: We just pay them in an hourly or per head basis. I
think the question for me would be, how much of that billion dollar is
actually grant-funded versus what the city actually has to cover?
714
01:39:47.630 --> 01:39:50.100
Quinlan Conf Room: Of the million?
715
01:39:51.210 --> 01:39:56.319
Quinlan Conf Room: I did not calculate that specifically. I only
calculated…
716
01:39:57.250 --> 01:40:06.509
Quinlan Conf Room: 85% of the working budget is rent, right? It's covered
by rent. Okay, I see, I see. So, so about, what is it, $200,000?
717
01:40:08.520 --> 01:40:10.020
Quinlan Conf Room: Yeah, a little bit over.
718
01:40:10.270 --> 01:40:11.840
Quinlan Conf Room: Maybe 225?
719
01:40:12.390 --> 01:40:19.980
Quinlan Conf Room: Got it. So is that crossing guard, you know, amount,
that is also covered by grants, or it's not?
720
01:40:20.150 --> 01:40:25.280
Quinlan Conf Room: I have not found a grant to cover crossing birds. It
would be super cool if we found one.
721
01:40:26.260 --> 01:40:31.890
Quinlan Conf Room: And we did ask, we cannot use the OTS grant to cover
crossing boards. We asked. They said no.
722
01:40:35.400 --> 01:40:42.979
Quinlan Conf Room: So it's the green section, it looks like that's what's
covered, possibly, by some grains. All the gray areas are not covered by…
723
01:40:43.270 --> 01:40:49.259
Quinlan Conf Room: Roughly 25% of this chart is what is covered. Yeah.
Right, so… Correct, correct.
724
01:40:49.840 --> 01:40:59.220
Quinlan Conf Room: So the gray area… if you take out the gray area, this
chart is now those… those three little pies, right? And so then you can
see the hatched area, or…
725
01:40:59.820 --> 01:41:01.750
Quinlan Conf Room: The non-hashed areas.
726
01:41:02.390 --> 01:41:12.300
Quinlan Conf Room: grant-funded. So this whole pie is, you know,
$260,000. 81% of those $26,000 is what is out of the grant, right?
Correct.
727
01:41:12.590 --> 01:41:18.000
Quinlan Conf Room: And is this 266 part of the VIN? Yes. Okay, so…
728
01:41:19.120 --> 01:41:26.639
Quinlan Conf Room: So roughly $200K, 200K out of the million is what…
Yeah, about 20%. 20%, 18 to 20%.
729
01:41:36.680 --> 01:41:43.349
Quinlan Conf Room: Is that including also with the bank accounts? Also,
that's part of the green bank account as well.
730
01:41:44.160 --> 01:41:47.180
Quinlan Conf Room: Yeah, that would go into the blue bucket. I guess so.
731
01:41:51.340 --> 01:41:52.170
Quinlan Conf Room: Thank you.
732
01:41:53.780 --> 01:41:55.360
Quinlan Conf Room: Very helpful, yep, Chris.
733
01:41:58.410 --> 01:42:01.080
Quinlan Conf Room: Any other… Questions?
734
01:42:01.470 --> 01:42:10.310
Quinlan Conf Room: So, are there things that we would be doing to
increase the grant fund? Are there sources that we are untapping into?
735
01:42:12.560 --> 01:42:17.560
Quinlan Conf Room: I think we're… we tap into everything we find.
736
01:42:18.970 --> 01:42:29.799
Quinlan Conf Room: We're very active, so… communities that… the VTA
world.
737
01:42:31.460 --> 01:42:33.809
Quinlan Conf Room: We just have all the sources.
738
01:42:35.190 --> 01:42:36.130
Quinlan Conf Room: Yellow.
739
01:42:36.860 --> 01:42:41.679
Quinlan Conf Room: Or the alternative way of asking is, like, you have
the 25% of it.
740
01:42:42.000 --> 01:42:46.879
Quinlan Conf Room: With the working budget, and is there a possibility
for us to increase the working budget?
741
01:42:47.740 --> 01:42:51.779
Quinlan Conf Room: And if, let's say, what budget is increased, what
would you do with it?
742
01:42:53.910 --> 01:43:02.570
Quinlan Conf Room: to improve the safety. I'm not joking at seeing, like,
why anything productive, get more…
743
01:43:02.720 --> 01:43:18.959
Quinlan Conf Room: what can we do to improve, or alternately, are there
things that, you know, you felt like, not having, you know, if I had more
money, I would have done this? In the past, when we had the Apple funds
for the school, we did the Work audits, and we did a lot of improvements.
744
01:43:19.080 --> 01:43:20.559
Quinlan Conf Room: Around the school area.
745
01:43:20.760 --> 01:43:33.879
Quinlan Conf Room: Like, Lawson Bike Path is one of the examples of it,
and a lot of things, and even, like, in this budget, like, if you get any
complaint from the school that they want to do any improvement
installation of signs or something like that.
746
01:43:33.950 --> 01:43:41.520
Quinlan Conf Room: that, the installation of the sign and everything
comes from the general funds. So, more than this, there is some funds
going into the Safe Route to School.
747
01:43:41.600 --> 01:43:53.580
Quinlan Conf Room: But, yeah, there is something like that also
happening, which is not shown in this chart. Most of the complaints that
I've seen, in general, like, from update, is now applicants.
748
01:43:53.860 --> 01:44:06.709
Quinlan Conf Room: when crossing guards have been moved, or, you know,
their hours are cut or something like that, then usually, you know, get
noise, like, you know, hey, they took away, you know, this crossing
guard, and that crossing guard, so it's now dangerous.
749
01:44:06.840 --> 01:44:12.180
Quinlan Conf Room: Right, so… so I think, you know, the community loves,
you know, the crossing guards around schools.
750
01:44:12.310 --> 01:44:13.310
Quinlan Conf Room: Still done.
751
01:44:13.990 --> 01:44:16.900
Quinlan Conf Room: Coupled, actually, this probably should have been,
752
01:44:17.540 --> 01:44:25.079
Quinlan Conf Room: It's not technically a grant, but it… we do get
$40,000 from school districts to offset
753
01:44:25.620 --> 01:44:29.899
Quinlan Conf Room: Across the barrier. So, of that 420,000…
754
01:44:30.730 --> 01:44:44.970
Quinlan Conf Room: could argue that $40,000 of that is rent money from
reimbursement from an outside source. And just another note that we could
actually…
755
01:44:45.800 --> 01:44:51.599
Quinlan Conf Room: Sharpen the pencil and eek a little bit more grant
funding out of
756
01:44:51.840 --> 01:45:00.369
Quinlan Conf Room: say the bike fest or some of the program expenses, but
a lot of the things that are… what is used for are… are small versions.
757
01:45:00.580 --> 01:45:03.270
Quinlan Conf Room: A lot of small purses.
758
01:45:03.650 --> 01:45:06.569
Quinlan Conf Room: Is it your adventure, prizes.
759
01:45:07.120 --> 01:45:12.559
Quinlan Conf Room: And it would literally cost the city more in staff
time
760
01:45:12.920 --> 01:45:16.069
Quinlan Conf Room: To submit and administer the paperwork.
761
01:45:16.220 --> 01:45:21.110
Quinlan Conf Room: then we would get reimbursed for those items, so it's
actually…
762
01:45:21.550 --> 01:45:28.500
Quinlan Conf Room: Cost the city less money to not… to let 10% of the
bill non-reimbursed.
763
01:45:29.330 --> 01:45:31.509
Quinlan Conf Room: Administrative process. Okay.
764
01:45:34.530 --> 01:45:45.050
Quinlan Conf Room: So I'm very impressed that the Bike Fest only costs
$32,000 for the city, given everything we saw here today that's organized
and stuff, that's super impressive.
765
01:45:45.320 --> 01:45:47.010
Quinlan Conf Room: Good, good, thanks for the one.
766
01:45:47.870 --> 01:45:49.629
Quinlan Conf Room: We get a lot of volunteers.
767
01:45:50.110 --> 01:45:51.510
Quinlan Conf Room: Yep, yep.
768
01:45:51.890 --> 01:46:05.029
Quinlan Conf Room: That's great. And on the crossing guards, like, we
have 16 inside, like, is that adequate, or do you… do we have some places
to start? Well, if you're asking me, I would love to have more crossing
guards. Yeah.
769
01:46:07.590 --> 01:46:13.989
Quinlan Conf Room: It's a tough task to switch an intersection. Yeah. To
cut off a crossing out from one intersection and…
770
01:46:14.120 --> 01:46:22.520
Quinlan Conf Room: then transfer them to other, it's like, it's… Yeah, so
he still knows, Susan and Blake.
771
01:46:23.270 --> 01:46:26.250
Quinlan Conf Room: We had more crossing guards, more people would walk to
school.
772
01:46:28.820 --> 01:46:35.120
Quinlan Conf Room: I'm not sure I can prove that to you, but… slash cars.
773
01:46:35.500 --> 01:46:41.729
Quinlan Conf Room: it helps, right? It gives the appearance of safety.
Like, in front of Eaton, the Swissland, and Farallon.
774
01:46:42.280 --> 01:46:46.300
Quinlan Conf Room: We had more that… that… really use a word. It's…
775
01:46:48.920 --> 01:46:58.419
Quinlan Conf Room: Also for the cars, because that helps also fuelify the
traffic, because sometimes cars just get in a logjam, and just having
someone tell them what to do.
776
01:47:04.840 --> 01:47:10.749
Quinlan Conf Room: All right. Okay, thank you for sharing, Birgit. One
more comment on this.
777
01:47:11.390 --> 01:47:24.269
Quinlan Conf Room: Actually, before, but if we do the bike count again
this year as part of the Safe Raza School program, I would really hope we
can break out the bikes, bikes and motors as separate categories. I think
it will help us
778
01:47:24.510 --> 01:47:38.039
Quinlan Conf Room: We had this discussion last year on presenting the
data. Now it's… the new Conf is coming up there. Let's… let's make sure
we have this broken up this year, so we have a better understanding of
the real data between…
779
01:47:38.300 --> 01:47:42.249
Quinlan Conf Room: The three, the three… Because right now, everything is
bucket in the bike.
780
01:47:42.410 --> 01:47:44.910
Quinlan Conf Room: Right. It's not a very good way to…
781
01:47:45.660 --> 01:47:50.149
Quinlan Conf Room: Okay, yeah, I can certainly… when we do our bike
counts, I can…
782
01:47:50.740 --> 01:47:54.610
Quinlan Conf Room: put the different buckets in. That really only became…
783
01:47:54.680 --> 01:48:07.839
Quinlan Conf Room: a thing in the winter, so we kind of missed our fall
bite count. So we did the spring that way, but not the last fall one. And
then, as I said, the county is counting… doing an independent count.
784
01:48:07.850 --> 01:48:14.990
Quinlan Conf Room: They've contracted an agency, I can't remember which
one, and they're gonna start counting every fall and every spring.
785
01:48:15.470 --> 01:48:34.500
Quinlan Conf Room: And so we will also get access to their counts. Okay,
and they break it out as well? That is the whole goal, is to break it out
and count very rigorously what's an e-bike and what's an e-moto. It's
more than I'm going to be able to do. Yeah, that's perfect, that's
perfect. I think it helps us to really make better decisions.
786
01:48:34.640 --> 01:48:40.230
Quinlan Conf Room: All right, thank you, unless there's any more comments
or discussion.
787
01:48:40.430 --> 01:48:42.840
Quinlan Conf Room: on closing… Stop it?
788
01:48:43.830 --> 01:48:57.919
Quinlan Conf Room: And moving on to our next item on the agenda, which
is, item 5, staff update and commissioner activity report. Do we have any
reports, from staff or commissioners?
789
01:48:59.430 --> 01:49:06.879
Quinlan Conf Room: I can… report on, like, the topic of proxy alerts, we
are doing our biannual
790
01:49:07.380 --> 01:49:13.669
Quinlan Conf Room: warrant analysis of all of the location, all of the
intersections of the city would repeat.
791
01:49:14.530 --> 01:49:19.100
Quinlan Conf Room: Both have guards, and we're… plus foot guards?
792
01:49:19.370 --> 01:49:23.769
Quinlan Conf Room: So that we can… Prioritize, this upcoming two years.
793
01:49:24.560 --> 01:49:28.430
Quinlan Conf Room: We're gonna be doing the concert this fall.
794
01:49:30.840 --> 01:49:34.839
Quinlan Conf Room: Potential changes that would come out of that would…
795
01:49:38.680 --> 01:49:41.359
Quinlan Conf Room: On the 7th, on the 8th sooner.
796
01:49:44.640 --> 01:49:51.160
Quinlan Conf Room: In other news, Steven Street, QA, the pipeline
project.
797
01:49:51.300 --> 01:49:52.320
Quinlan Conf Room: False complete.
798
01:49:53.520 --> 01:49:55.100
Quinlan Conf Room: Should be configured.
799
01:49:55.220 --> 01:49:56.260
Quinlan Conf Room: Couple.
800
01:50:03.180 --> 01:50:06.750
Quinlan Conf Room: Still have some minor signal that's insured through…
801
01:50:06.940 --> 01:50:13.399
Quinlan Conf Room: Collectors on the concrete bearings, signs, all the
striping is done.
802
01:50:14.720 --> 01:50:16.880
Quinlan Conf Room: But that's substantial.
803
01:50:21.980 --> 01:50:26.819
Quinlan Conf Room: 0 will be… heard by the City Council.
804
01:50:27.860 --> 01:50:29.160
Quinlan Conf Room: either…
805
01:50:29.230 --> 01:50:47.060
Quinlan Conf Room: Latest that carries the 1st to the 15th of September.
Right now, we're looking at putting it on the 1st. Sorry. Yeah, thanks.
Sorry, which dates ZCCP? Zp. Yes, which dates? Either the 1st or the
15th.
806
01:50:47.060 --> 01:50:53.629
Quinlan Conf Room: Right now, September, yeah, right now, it's looking
like the 1st. We can get pushed to the 15th.
807
01:50:54.740 --> 01:50:59.160
Quinlan Conf Room: So, that she'll be a passing decision for the faculty.
808
01:51:11.890 --> 01:51:16.000
Quinlan Conf Room: Lauren Smitty Park. Okay.
809
01:51:19.080 --> 01:51:20.940
Quinlan Conf Room: Any other Commissioner reports?
810
01:51:22.040 --> 01:51:27.369
Quinlan Conf Room: Yes, I went to the VTM EPAC meeting, yesterday, sorry,
not last week.
811
01:51:29.250 --> 01:51:43.179
Quinlan Conf Room: Nothing specific to Cupertino, just one thing that
caught my attention was that, so there was a bunch of projects, for TDA,
which is a pool of money that's distributed from the county of TDA.
812
01:51:43.270 --> 01:52:02.300
Quinlan Conf Room: to the cities, to the agencies, and there were really
three buckets of money, so TEA funds, the transportation fund for clean
air projects, and Measure B funds. Big projects, like, for example, in
San Jose Bascom Street is going to be entirely renovated from
813
01:52:02.580 --> 01:52:09.049
Quinlan Conf Room: Not very inviting street to complete street with,
like, bike lanes.
814
01:52:09.700 --> 01:52:27.619
Quinlan Conf Room: versus… that's a pretty major project, that's funded
directly by this Measure B. And so, yeah, from a TDA fund standpoint, I
think the decision from Cupertino was to bank the funds at $190K. They
can add some color, but…
815
01:52:28.380 --> 01:52:32.840
Quinlan Conf Room: Yeah, so TDA Article 3 is…
816
01:52:33.160 --> 01:52:42.570
Quinlan Conf Room: But guaranteed money, every city and county gets a
certain amount of TD3 money guaranteed to them.
817
01:52:42.670 --> 01:52:49.010
Quinlan Conf Room: every year, and it's population-based, so that's
usually a group of genome.
818
01:52:49.400 --> 01:52:54.900
Quinlan Conf Room: It's on the order of $50,000 or $6,000 a year.
819
01:52:55.070 --> 01:53:00.990
Quinlan Conf Room: Jake. And the money depends on… I think it's…
820
01:53:02.050 --> 01:53:12.829
Quinlan Conf Room: sales tax revenue? I forget exactly the ultimate
source, but the big plot changes a little bit every year, so the
individual cities allocations a little bit every year, but it's
contribution.
821
01:53:13.780 --> 01:53:24.160
Quinlan Conf Room: Anyway, every year the city has the option to take
that money and use it, and PDA3 money is biking, right?
822
01:53:24.620 --> 01:53:28.099
Quinlan Conf Room: So, every city can take the money and use it.
823
01:53:28.510 --> 01:53:30.259
Quinlan Conf Room: Or beg it.
824
01:53:30.670 --> 01:53:32.519
Quinlan Conf Room: Use it in a following.
825
01:53:32.920 --> 01:53:35.899
Quinlan Conf Room: Then the next year's pot gets added.
826
01:53:36.630 --> 01:53:41.840
Quinlan Conf Room: And we're allowed to bank it for 4 years for money.
827
01:53:42.210 --> 01:53:56.529
Quinlan Conf Room: Is there any restrictions on it, on how this money can
be used? It's got to be Bike related, and there's certain… there's
certain criteria on types of bike and projects. For example, the ATP
828
01:53:57.050 --> 01:54:09.890
Quinlan Conf Room: It's knowledgeable, and we are using… $330,000 of
previously banked Everybody bugs, and it's entire… So…
829
01:54:10.100 --> 01:54:14.290
Quinlan Conf Room: That's a great example of why we're raising the money,
because,
830
01:54:14.430 --> 01:54:16.749
Quinlan Conf Room: Oftentimes, you want to bank it.
831
01:54:16.990 --> 01:54:22.049
Quinlan Conf Room: Buy a pot big enough to do a project in completion,
rather than
832
01:54:22.420 --> 01:54:26.600
Quinlan Conf Room: He smelled a $60,000 project every… So…
833
01:54:26.860 --> 01:54:29.140
Quinlan Conf Room: So this year, we've faked it again.
834
01:54:31.000 --> 01:54:37.310
Quinlan Conf Room: Subsequent years, we will look at how much, are the
radiological projects that will
835
01:54:37.580 --> 01:54:40.999
Quinlan Conf Room: Alright, worthy of consideration, and then…
836
01:54:41.350 --> 01:54:48.960
Quinlan Conf Room: decision. These projects are also part of the mission.
We have decided
837
01:54:49.100 --> 01:54:58.090
Quinlan Conf Room: We think that GDA money is appropriate to want to use
it. Always primitive violation for that final decision in the past and
didn't use it together.
838
01:54:58.220 --> 01:55:01.909
Quinlan Conf Room: Yep. I think the GDM money comes from an…
839
01:55:02.010 --> 01:55:10.319
Quinlan Conf Room: charge on the license plate registration? License
registration. $44 per license plate registration.
840
01:55:11.010 --> 01:55:22.280
Quinlan Conf Room: It's directly dependent on the population size, like,
more the… more the drivers, more the license plate. I think Sanozo gets
the big chunk. There's also different vehicle registrations fee.
841
01:55:22.670 --> 01:55:25.390
Quinlan Conf Room: eyes of my being as well. Happy.
842
01:55:25.670 --> 01:55:26.380
Quinlan Conf Room: Perfect.
843
01:55:26.550 --> 01:55:28.130
Quinlan Conf Room: Sure. Yep.
844
01:55:29.180 --> 01:55:30.000
Quinlan Conf Room: Great.
845
01:55:31.370 --> 01:55:33.109
Quinlan Conf Room: Makes sense. Anything else?
846
01:55:36.960 --> 01:55:37.920
Quinlan Conf Room: Cheers.
847
01:55:38.230 --> 01:55:42.759
Quinlan Conf Room: And no more conditional reports, and I'm going to
close this item here.
848
01:55:43.370 --> 01:55:50.230
Quinlan Conf Room: And move on to future agenda settings. I think we have
this our traditional running list here.
849
01:55:50.500 --> 01:56:02.860
Quinlan Conf Room: I think as part of the new process, we also have the
preview of the next meeting already, so let's maybe cover this first, the
next meeting, which is the September 16th meeting.
850
01:56:03.360 --> 01:56:05.679
Quinlan Conf Room: Where there is two…
851
01:56:05.830 --> 01:56:14.719
Quinlan Conf Room: agenda items currently on. One is Bicycle facilities
improvements, and the second one is a Vision Zero Action Plan Update
Report.
852
01:56:14.830 --> 01:56:27.820
Quinlan Conf Room: And I'm recommending, that we add on this topic on
prospect road safety issues that we have heard from public speakers
before. So just to add this as a topic for the September 16th.
853
01:56:28.630 --> 01:56:35.679
Quinlan Conf Room: Unless there's any objections, we should probably… I
agree with that.
854
01:56:37.000 --> 01:56:45.059
Quinlan Conf Room: Residents have been coming and speaking, so we'll be
talking. Yep. Yep. Great. So we're going to stop? That's something that…
855
01:56:45.170 --> 01:56:46.310
Quinlan Conf Room: Excuse the one?
856
01:56:46.870 --> 01:56:55.380
Quinlan Conf Room: There's… three, potentially, Large items in a single
medium, so that's the only consideration.
857
01:56:56.190 --> 01:56:57.740
Quinlan Conf Room: But…
858
01:56:58.460 --> 01:57:11.329
Quinlan Conf Room: I mean, I would be willing to maybe shift things
around. I think we have… the residents have been coming to us regularly
now, frequently, and so it's definitely on top of their mind, so I would
prioritize this topic if you can.
859
01:57:11.530 --> 01:57:12.520
Quinlan Conf Room: Sustainable.
860
01:57:14.030 --> 01:57:17.169
Quinlan Conf Room: Would you like to keep the other two on as well?
861
01:57:18.080 --> 01:57:31.039
Quinlan Conf Room: I'm comfortable to even moving one of the other two
out there, maybe the bicycle facilities, or the Vision Zero Plan, maybe
down into the… Yeah, I prefer to actually…
862
01:57:31.300 --> 01:57:48.259
Quinlan Conf Room: I'd choose to do the Vision Zero next month. For next
month. Okay, that's fine. We've been spending some time preparing. Yeah,
yeah, that's totally fine. Let's do Vision Zero and the prospect for
safety updates, that's on September 16th.
863
01:57:49.720 --> 01:58:09.150
Quinlan Conf Room: So this is a new process, actually, that, we have to
do this, the concrete items, for the upcoming meeting, in the current
meeting, so to say. This is a new… I think that's a good idea. Yeah. It
gives an idea, you know, what's coming. What's coming there, yep. That's
a change process that the CEO has…
864
01:58:09.280 --> 01:58:16.950
Quinlan Conf Room: So now let's go back to the other list, which is our
running list there, where we have all the big topics, so to say.
865
01:58:17.590 --> 01:58:21.890
Quinlan Conf Room: And see if there's anything that, should be moving in
or out there.
866
01:58:22.570 --> 01:58:31.649
Quinlan Conf Room: We, we should… choose another… kind of definitive
project for October, so I can add that.
867
01:58:33.340 --> 01:58:44.190
Quinlan Conf Room: future agenda. Well, one is Bicycle facility. One is a
Bicycle facility. Yeah. I mean, it looks like ATP can move from this list
here. I don't think… I think we have, from that perspective, ATP is
completed.
868
01:58:44.310 --> 01:58:46.439
Quinlan Conf Room: full from a bike commission perspective.
869
01:58:48.160 --> 01:58:51.199
Quinlan Conf Room: And hopefully for the vicinity, too.
870
01:59:00.120 --> 01:59:04.399
Quinlan Conf Room: I can remove safe route to school oral program and
budget allocation. Yeah, we can take this out as well.
871
01:59:17.790 --> 01:59:24.450
Quinlan Conf Room: Why don't I bring back… the, the Nibai Kimoto.
872
01:59:25.790 --> 01:59:34.739
Quinlan Conf Room: If we can do that already, that would be fantastic for
October. That would be awesome. I think we can do that. Yeah, that would
be awesome. That's fantastic.
873
01:59:38.280 --> 01:59:42.760
Quinlan Conf Room: The one that was… In October, what?
874
01:59:43.840 --> 01:59:50.250
Quinlan Conf Room: You can move that to the top list. And we have two
topics for Work 85 as well. Yeah, that's fine. Great.
875
01:59:52.240 --> 01:59:54.139
Quinlan Conf Room: But it's not an education anymore.
876
02:00:04.960 --> 02:00:09.960
Quinlan Conf Room: Bike thing is, over as well, right? Exactly, exactly.
What's the second thing?
877
02:00:14.050 --> 02:00:19.700
Quinlan Conf Room: All right, any additions to the list? I think we have
been pretty up-to-date anyway, but
878
02:00:20.000 --> 02:00:22.119
Quinlan Conf Room: If there's anything that comes to mind.
879
02:00:35.140 --> 02:00:42.190
Quinlan Conf Room: If not… Close this matter as well. And,
880
02:00:43.960 --> 02:00:49.389
Quinlan Conf Room: This is a topic where we usually ask the public as
well. Any public speakers on this topic?
881
02:00:50.550 --> 02:00:53.190
Quinlan Conf Room: I have no speakers, Chip.
882
02:00:53.410 --> 02:00:54.890
Quinlan Conf Room: Wonderful. Thank you.
883
02:00:55.070 --> 02:01:07.909
Quinlan Conf Room: Now, closing this item out, that brings us to the end
of, this meeting for, for tonight. Our next meeting is on September 16,
here in this section.
884
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Quinlan Conf Room: And I'm adjourning this meeting at 9.01.
885
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Quinlan Conf Room: Thank you, have a good night.