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HomeMy WebLinkAboutPC 09-08-2026 Youtube and Zoom TranscriptWEBVTT 1 00:00:03.370 --> 00:00:09.500 Community Hall: Hello, and welcome to the Planning Commission Meeting for September 8th, 2026. Please rise for the Pledge of Allegiance. 2 00:00:28.340 --> 00:00:40.299 Community Hall: Thank you very much. City Clerk, may we please have the roll call? Commissioner Feng? Present. Commissioner Linskop? Here. Commissioner Rao? Here. Vice Chair Scharf? Present. Chair Casolshron? Present. 3 00:00:42.190 --> 00:00:51.760 Community Hall: Thank you very much. So, we will move on to approval of the minutes. We will be approving the July 28th, 2026 Planning Commission minutes. Do we have a motion? 4 00:00:52.630 --> 00:00:53.600 Community Hall: So moved. 5 00:00:54.740 --> 00:00:55.730 Community Hall: Seconded. 6 00:00:56.470 --> 00:00:59.549 Community Hall: And City Clerk, may we please have the vote? 7 00:01:08.460 --> 00:01:09.880 Community Hall: Oh, I thought I voted. 8 00:01:10.140 --> 00:01:10.840 Community Hall: Okay. 9 00:01:13.440 --> 00:01:14.209 Community Hall: I don't know what it is. 10 00:01:14.360 --> 00:01:16.319 Community Hall: Trying. I'm really trying. 11 00:01:16.730 --> 00:01:17.480 Community Hall: Upwork. 12 00:01:18.360 --> 00:01:19.050 Community Hall: Okay. 13 00:01:21.880 --> 00:01:22.750 Community Hall: Nope. 14 00:01:24.640 --> 00:01:26.649 Community Hall: The motion carries unanimously. 15 00:01:28.140 --> 00:01:34.919 Community Hall: Thank you, and now we will move on to oral communications. City Clerk, do we have any members of the public wishing to comment? 16 00:01:35.220 --> 00:01:38.670 Community Hall: We have one speaker in person, Pamela Hershey. 17 00:01:38.920 --> 00:01:40.290 Community Hall: Welcome, Pamela. 18 00:01:55.640 --> 00:02:00.350 Community Hall: Good evening, Planning Commission Chair Tracy, City Staff. 19 00:02:00.580 --> 00:02:20.070 Community Hall: My name is Pamela Hershey, and I'm a law-abiding citizen of Cupertino. I have been since the day we moved here in 1967. I just wanted to make that perfectly clear. My ask tonight is for the Council to update the health and safety element to ensure the policies are being added to addressing the safety 20 00:02:20.090 --> 00:02:24.020 Community Hall: Of the residents, especially during the campaign season. 21 00:02:24.870 --> 00:02:30.989 Community Hall: Due to the election interference methods that are… may harass and violate the safety of residents. 22 00:02:32.290 --> 00:02:35.270 Community Hall: I'm concerned that with this election, that… 23 00:02:35.620 --> 00:02:38.649 Community Hall: Regarding interference with the sign steps. 24 00:02:38.780 --> 00:02:41.479 Community Hall: The harassing of residents and volunteers. 25 00:02:42.960 --> 00:02:49.909 Community Hall: And the illegal placement of the signs, that this has really become really an unduly, 26 00:02:50.110 --> 00:02:51.740 Community Hall: Issue for our city. 27 00:02:51.900 --> 00:03:09.619 Community Hall: And the safety and the health of the residents, as well as the volunteers that we're facing is really very unfair. We work very hard, we have jobs, we have… we volunteer after work, we have families, and we are doing double the work, as well as getting harassed, and 28 00:03:09.620 --> 00:03:19.619 Community Hall: Things are being taken, that we've placed, so please review the element, and the safety and health element, and update it, especially this year. 29 00:03:19.730 --> 00:03:24.020 Community Hall: during the Campaign season, because of these interferences. Thank you. 30 00:03:27.440 --> 00:03:39.430 Community Hall: Thank you, Pamela. Our next speaker is Rhoda Fry. Welcome, Rhoda. Rhoda Fry, 40-plus year resident of Cupertino, a similar sentiment this evening, and an ask. 31 00:03:39.510 --> 00:03:51.209 Community Hall: Signs pertaining to Mr. Fruen's campaign and Ms. Linscogg's campaign, both of whom are city officials, were placed on my property. 32 00:03:51.380 --> 00:04:04.330 Community Hall: without permission. They trespassed, and they damaged my landscaping. Mr. Fruen is aware of this and has not apologized. Now, Ms. Linscogg notes. 33 00:04:05.670 --> 00:04:13.380 Community Hall: Sorry to interrupt. Sorry to interrupt, but… I get it. I just want to remind… I'm not campaigning, this is that stuff was… 34 00:04:13.750 --> 00:04:33.990 Community Hall: The property was vandalized. Yeah, you should please contact the Sheriff's Department. This is not within the jurisdiction… You know what, I think it's a waste of the Sheriff's Department resources, so this is what I'm… this is what my ask is, because I'm paying for sheriff, and I don't want to contact the sheriff for this. So this is my ask, is that we consider having an ordinance 35 00:04:34.000 --> 00:04:43.430 Community Hall: that we're gonna say no more signs. You know, we had issues with signs two years ago, we've got issues with them now, no more signs, it's plastic. 36 00:04:43.460 --> 00:05:01.200 Community Hall: it's bad for the environment, and it just isn't working in our city. So that's my ask. That is… that is in the planning depart… that's in the Planning Commission's jurisdiction and the City Council's jurisdiction. I think you were nodding, and I appreciate that. So I was getting to the ask, and I think the ask is relevant. 37 00:05:01.310 --> 00:05:06.459 Community Hall: So, this is a way to stop the nonsense and also protect Mother Earth. Thank you. 38 00:05:09.230 --> 00:05:13.420 Community Hall: Thank you, Rhoda. We have no speakers in person, and no hands raised on Zoom. 39 00:05:14.790 --> 00:05:19.630 Community Hall: Thank you very much, City Clerk. So, we will… Are we allowed to ask a question on that now? 40 00:05:20.380 --> 00:05:23.419 Community Hall: Would that be in the jurisdiction of the Planning Commission? 41 00:05:26.950 --> 00:05:30.239 Community Hall: So, typically, when members of the public make some… 42 00:05:30.390 --> 00:05:48.730 Community Hall: provides oral communication, it's… it's okay to ask a quick clarifying question, but then we should move on, because it's not agendized for discussion. Yeah, no, I only ask because if that is something that could be proposed in future agenda items, maybe I can ask… I would recommend that we discuss this during future agenda setting. 43 00:05:48.870 --> 00:06:04.159 Community Hall: Yeah, thank you. Alright, so let's move on to public hearings. Agenda Item 2 is to consider a use permit, tentative map, and site approval for a 35-unit townhome project at 1655 South De Anza Boulevard. Do we have a staff presentation? 44 00:06:06.090 --> 00:06:06.980 Community Hall: Love me. 45 00:06:07.870 --> 00:06:27.150 Community Hall: Good evening, Planning Commission. Yes, we do have a staff presentation tonight for this project, and with us tonight, we have Emi Tsukiyama, Senior Planner, who will be presenting on this item, and we're here to answer any questions after the presentation. I also wanted to add the applicant is also here tonight, and will probably have a presentation, and Emmy can speak to that. 46 00:06:27.150 --> 00:06:27.970 Community Hall: Thank you. 47 00:06:32.900 --> 00:06:41.910 Community Hall: I was just going to comment if we should do disclosures. Oh, you're right, pardon me, let us all do disclosures. We'll start with Commissioner Feng. 48 00:06:42.090 --> 00:06:48.409 Community Hall: Yes, so, I did not meet with the developers, however, I do live 49 00:06:48.610 --> 00:06:52.469 Community Hall: According to Google Maps, they do live 980 feet from the site. 50 00:06:52.640 --> 00:06:59.489 Community Hall: That is beyond the bound, the 500-foot bond, which would be an automatic disqualification, 51 00:06:59.560 --> 00:07:18.180 Community Hall: But it is in the area where, you know, it could be, it is possible that there could have been, impact. So I just wanted to, notify people of that. I did participate, in the prior, hearing, you know, for the Piro project on this site as well, and that was the same distance back then. Thank you. 52 00:07:21.060 --> 00:07:22.610 Community Hall: Are we just continuing on. 53 00:07:23.400 --> 00:07:28.949 Community Hall: Yes, so I did meet with the developer, and I also met with a couple of residents. 54 00:07:29.070 --> 00:07:31.029 Community Hall: That live behind the property. 55 00:07:32.650 --> 00:07:37.520 Community Hall: All right, I have met with the developer, and I have also spoken with some residents as well. 56 00:07:38.900 --> 00:07:40.930 Community Hall: I have not met with the developer. 57 00:07:42.130 --> 00:07:46.850 Community Hall: I met with the developer, and I met with a couple of residents as well. 58 00:07:48.130 --> 00:08:01.740 Community Hall: Thank you very much, and we will open the public hearing and return it back to Emmy. Thank you. Awesome. Okay, good evening, Chair Solshiron and Commissioners, Emmy Sugama, planning staff, here today to discuss this housing development project at 1655 South Dienza Boulevard. 59 00:08:02.670 --> 00:08:11.709 Community Hall: And I'll ask of the VoTeam. Thank you. Alright, this project is located at the corner of South De Anza Boulevard and Prospect Road, where the 60 00:08:11.770 --> 00:08:30.470 Community Hall: City of Cupertino borders the cities of Saratoga and San Jose. The property is within the South Saratoga Sunnyvale Road Conceptual Zoning area, which I will refer to as the conceptual zoning area from here on out, and is zoned PCG Res for planned development with a mix of commercial and residential uses. 61 00:08:32.909 --> 00:08:48.159 Community Hall: The site currently has an approximately 13,000 square foot commercial building with 4 tenant spaces. Additionally, the property was previously approved for redevelopment in 2023 to allow a mixed-use project with 34 residential units and a commercial space. 62 00:08:48.570 --> 00:08:57.380 Community Hall: The City has also received a preliminary application under Senate Bill 330 in September of 2025, which vested the project standards that were in place at that time. 63 00:09:00.400 --> 00:09:10.420 Community Hall: The project makes use of a number of state housing laws, including the Housing Accountability Act, which limits the city's ability to deny, condition, or apply non-objective standards to a project. 64 00:09:11.390 --> 00:09:21.940 Community Hall: SB330 also streamlines the permitting process, and as previously noted, it allows the applicant to lock in or vest fees and standards that are in place at the time that they submit an application. 65 00:09:22.260 --> 00:09:28.420 Community Hall: The project also makes use of the state's density bonus law to allow for additional units, waivers, and concessions. 66 00:09:28.550 --> 00:09:30.230 Community Hall: And finally, this project. 67 00:09:31.830 --> 00:09:42.489 Community Hall: allows the city to be subject to the requirements of the no net loss law under Senate Bill 166, which requires the City maintain a list of housing sites that can accommodate the required arena. 68 00:09:44.700 --> 00:09:55.770 Community Hall: Here you can see an overview of the project's consistency with some typical development standards. The project applicant is utilizing density bonus law to allow for 10 additional units over the maximum density for the site. 69 00:09:56.020 --> 00:10:08.349 Community Hall: The applicant is also proposing density bonus waivers to address a number of requirements for setbacks, while they are still maintaining a larger setback from the property line that is shared with the existing single-family residences to the west. 70 00:10:08.620 --> 00:10:12.720 Community Hall: And the requested waivers will be discussed in more detail later in this presentation. 71 00:10:15.580 --> 00:10:32.079 Community Hall: The proposed project consists of 35 townhome units that are spread across 5 buildings, with 5 below market rate, or BMR units, and 30 market rate units. There are 7 units per building, with each of them being 3 stories of living space and a rooftop deck for a total of 4 stories each. 72 00:10:32.080 --> 00:10:36.990 Community Hall: The proposed units range in size from 21 to 2,700 square feet. 73 00:10:36.990 --> 00:10:39.140 Community Hall: Each unit has a two-car garage. 74 00:10:39.170 --> 00:10:43.309 Community Hall: And the project also incorporates guest parking and central outdoor. 75 00:10:43.430 --> 00:10:55.529 Community Hall: space for the residents. There will be 47 new trees planted on site, and they'll be… the existing trees along the shared property lines will be protected in place during construction. 76 00:10:58.270 --> 00:11:12.109 Community Hall: So here you can see the project site layout, with the five buildings oriented perpendicular to the two street frontages of Prospect in South De Anza. The proposed BMR units on this are identified by the red dots. 77 00:11:15.820 --> 00:11:20.150 Community Hall: Here's a rendering of the proposed project showing the view from South De Anza Boulevard. 78 00:11:25.070 --> 00:11:41.810 Community Hall: And through its review, the project was found to be consistent with the applicable objective standards of the City's General Plan, Conceptual Zoning Plan, BMR Housing Manual, and municipal Code. The project includes a concession under the density bonus law to waive the requirement that the project incorporate a commercial use. 79 00:11:42.330 --> 00:11:52.209 Community Hall: Please note that the concessions and waivers proposed under the density bonus law can only be denied under specific circumstances, including that they have an adverse impact on historic property, health, or safety. 80 00:11:52.730 --> 00:12:10.220 Community Hall: In addition to this concession, the applicant is also requesting 11 density bonus waivers. For each of these waivers, the applicant has noted that imposing the standards could potentially result in an elimination of units, reduced floor areas, or a substantial change to the design of the buildings, which is not consistent with the project as proposed by the applicant. 81 00:12:11.670 --> 00:12:14.360 Community Hall: So for 3 of the 11 waivers. 82 00:12:15.080 --> 00:12:26.560 Community Hall: The applicant is requesting a modification of the required building setbacks from Prospect Road, South De Anza Boulevard, and from the western property line that abuts the existing single-family residential development. 83 00:12:29.510 --> 00:12:38.329 Community Hall: The next three waivers are to allow for a modification of the required landscape buffers from Prospect Road, South Dianza Boulevard, and that western property line. 84 00:12:43.330 --> 00:12:49.839 Community Hall: An additional waiver is being requested to allow for a reduced planting strip along South Danza Boulevard. 85 00:12:54.330 --> 00:13:10.899 Community Hall: Three of the final four waivers would be to allow for an increase in the height of the buildings, from 30 feet to a maximum of 44 feet 9 inches, to allow for four stories, where a maximum of three stories are allowed, and to allow for an encroachment into the required building plain slope line. 86 00:13:11.270 --> 00:13:14.760 Community Hall: The final waiver would allow for an increase in the maximum floor area. 87 00:13:19.290 --> 00:13:24.510 Community Hall: While it's not required as part of the planning entitlement, the project will be required to provide public art. 88 00:13:24.820 --> 00:13:32.509 Community Hall: At this time, the applicant is proposing to provide a public art piece in the northeastern corner along South Dans Boulevard. 89 00:13:33.980 --> 00:13:42.459 Community Hall: And based on the project site characteristics, staff has recommended, and the applicant has also requested, payment of parkland and Lew fees consistent with the QMBY Act. 90 00:13:44.870 --> 00:13:57.389 Community Hall: The project was also reviewed against the City's BMR requirements, and staff has found that the BMR units are generally comparable in size to the market rate units, with the BMR units and market rate units, both being an average of about 2,400 square feet. 91 00:14:01.370 --> 00:14:19.849 Community Hall: The project has been found to qualify for a statutory exemption under the provisions of AB130. In the analysis for this exemption, the City's third-party consultant reviewed a Phase 1 Environmental Site Assessment, or ESA, and a transportation analysis, and confirmed that the project would not have significant impacts on the environment, and met the criteria for the exemption. 92 00:14:20.850 --> 00:14:29.610 Community Hall: And so with that, staff is recommending that the Planning Commission adopt the draft resolutions, recommending that the City Council find the project exempt from CEQA, and approving 93 00:14:29.790 --> 00:14:31.290 Community Hall: The associated permits. 94 00:14:32.560 --> 00:14:38.849 Community Hall: That concludes my presentation. The applicant is also here and has their own presentation as well, but if you have any questions, please let me know. 95 00:14:39.480 --> 00:14:46.660 Community Hall: Great, thank you very much, Emmy, and we will move to… the… Applicant presentation. 96 00:14:48.990 --> 00:14:51.540 Community Hall: Sorry, Chair, are we doing questions to staff? 97 00:14:52.840 --> 00:14:53.779 Community Hall: What do we… 98 00:14:55.320 --> 00:15:01.069 Community Hall: Apologies. We can do in either order, but if people prefer to ask the staff questions first, that's fine with me. 99 00:15:01.510 --> 00:15:05.499 Community Hall: Could staff clarify what sort of noticing was done for the neighborhood? 100 00:15:08.640 --> 00:15:31.390 Community Hall: Absolutely. So the project noticing consisted of the standard requirements for development projects, which were mailed notices to neighbors. We expanded the radius from 300 feet, I want to say, to about 500 feet, if not more, for this project, just to encompass the neighboring residential areas. In addition to that, we also have a site sign posted at the property to notify residents that there is a hearing associated with the project. 101 00:15:31.390 --> 00:15:34.759 Community Hall: And then in addition to that, the applicant also hosted a 102 00:15:34.760 --> 00:15:40.479 Community Hall: public meeting for the project, and I'll let them speak a little bit more to the details of that, but they did that… did so prior to applying. 103 00:15:40.670 --> 00:15:42.340 Community Hall: I also wanted to add. 104 00:15:42.590 --> 00:15:55.190 Community Hall: I also wanted to add that there was a newspaper notice for the project as well, in addition, and as Emmy mentioned, we expanded the radius noticing to well above 500 feet, because we wanted to capture, like, a couple of blocks of, development. Yeah. 105 00:15:55.470 --> 00:15:58.690 Community Hall: And we've received nothing in response to those. 106 00:15:59.380 --> 00:16:01.440 Community Hall: No, we have yet to receive any. Thank you. 107 00:16:02.490 --> 00:16:03.750 Community Hall: Or refresher? 108 00:16:04.280 --> 00:16:09.460 Community Hall: So, the previous project had proposed mitigation for the increase 109 00:16:09.590 --> 00:16:16.820 Community Hall: and VMT, including providing e-bikes for every unit, And some sort of… 110 00:16:17.330 --> 00:16:21.679 Community Hall: promotion of mass transit, I think they were just going to provide. 111 00:16:22.010 --> 00:16:27.360 Community Hall: Like, bus schedules, or… or consulting on how to… how to use transit. 112 00:16:27.670 --> 00:16:32.310 Community Hall: So, for this project, How are they getting around that? 113 00:16:32.530 --> 00:16:37.569 Community Hall: To qualify for the CEQA exemption, because that's about the same number 114 00:16:37.680 --> 00:16:39.760 Community Hall: Of units as before, isn't it? 115 00:16:39.930 --> 00:16:54.479 Community Hall: So, it should be the same VMT as before. Right. So, on a higher level kind of overview of that, the project is considered exempt from CEQA, and therefore is not required to complete the VMT analysis. That's part of our code requirements. We don't have another 116 00:16:54.480 --> 00:17:01.600 Community Hall: way of requiring it, and its conformance with DMT is not a criteria for the AB130 statutory exemption. 117 00:17:02.830 --> 00:17:08.010 Community Hall: Okay, yeah, I was just reading that that was… one of the… 118 00:17:08.430 --> 00:17:18.050 Community Hall: reasons that an infill project wouldn't qualify for CEQA exemption is the increase in traffic, but you're saying AB130, 119 00:17:18.829 --> 00:17:22.999 Community Hall: says that traffic doesn't matter anymore. Right, so I think if there's a… 120 00:17:23.010 --> 00:17:42.009 Community Hall: if there's a significant impact to traffic. So, a transportation analysis was completed in association with the project. I… from my understanding, that there was no conclusion that there was a significant increase, or transportation impacts associated with the project, which I think could potentially trigger a 121 00:17:42.380 --> 00:17:47.399 Community Hall: an exception to the exemption, if I'm using correct terms for that in SQL language? 122 00:17:48.020 --> 00:17:57.950 Community Hall: I guess you're saying that AB130 changed the requirement between the previous project and this project? Correct. In terms of traffic? Yes. Okay, thank you. 123 00:17:59.510 --> 00:18:01.680 Community Hall: Do we have any other questions for staff? 124 00:18:01.790 --> 00:18:03.449 Community Hall: Yes, Chair. Okay. 125 00:18:05.080 --> 00:18:08.920 Community Hall: So, just going back to the… The… 126 00:18:09.770 --> 00:18:13.220 Community Hall: So you have no public feedback on this project, but… 127 00:18:13.680 --> 00:18:18.910 Community Hall: Has there been a sense of how many homes were within that 500 feet? Is that 500 feet… 128 00:18:19.130 --> 00:18:24.080 Community Hall: Actually capturing any homes, because… There is a certain separation between 129 00:18:24.560 --> 00:18:28.430 Community Hall: The, the location of the parcel, and… 130 00:18:28.590 --> 00:18:41.629 Community Hall: Is it measured as the road goes around, or is it measured as the crow flies? Right, I think, as Piu kind of tried to clarify there, it was more than 500 square feet, sorry, 500 feet radius. That was just my best guesstimate there. 131 00:18:41.630 --> 00:18:51.140 Community Hall: assume that it would probably be closer to 1,000 in some places. The radius was made to follow the lines of the neighborhoods and the streets of the neighborhood to encompass entire neighborhood blocks. 132 00:18:51.160 --> 00:18:57.560 Community Hall: So we feel like a certain number of homes that abut the property were, in fact, part of that noticing. Correct. It was intentional then. Okay. 133 00:18:58.700 --> 00:19:03.080 Community Hall: It just seemed like none of the neighbors I talked to felt like they were noticed, but that's fine. 134 00:19:03.260 --> 00:19:08.470 Community Hall: My other question was the ICANN. Is that… Part of this parcel. 135 00:19:09.690 --> 00:19:11.740 Community Hall: No. It's not? Okay. 136 00:19:13.540 --> 00:19:15.620 Community Hall: Alright, thank you. Okay. 137 00:19:16.140 --> 00:19:26.660 Community Hall: I have just one clarifying question for staff. Would it be possible to have some context on why the first approval didn't move forward that was granted back in 2023? 138 00:19:27.020 --> 00:19:36.669 Community Hall: So, we wouldn't have any knowledge of that, but my understanding is that it probably didn't financially pencil out for them. Okay, got it. Thank you. Any other questions for staff? 139 00:19:38.370 --> 00:19:42.300 Community Hall: All right, then we will now move to the applicant presentation. Thank you. 140 00:19:44.750 --> 00:20:07.100 Community Hall: Good evening, Planning Commissioners. My name is Josh Rozos, Vice President of Development at Divinet Homes. Nice to see you all again. We're a private home builder founded in 1994, specializing in single-family homes and townhomes throughout the Core Bay area, with active or upcoming projects in 8 cities totaling more than 550 new homes. Of those 550 homes, 233 of them are in Cupertino. 141 00:20:08.190 --> 00:20:23.180 Community Hall: We value the opportunity to develop the for-sale housing in this great city, and look forward to being a long-term partner in meeting the city's goals of providing housing for its residents. We're pleased to be here tonight to present our new 35-unit housing development at 1655 South De Anza. 142 00:20:23.180 --> 00:20:33.269 Community Hall: These homes will range from 1,550 to 2,150 square feet, offering 3- and 4-bedroom floor plans, each with 2 private parking spaces, and either side-by-side or tandem parking. 143 00:20:33.270 --> 00:20:43.439 Community Hall: Each home will also include a private rooftop deck and open space for enjoyment by the homeowners. The project was designed with care and respect the privacy of the single-family homeowners behind us. 144 00:20:43.440 --> 00:20:51.490 Community Hall: We designed the access road to provide a buffer, which at its shortest point is approximately 36 feet, and as you move up the site, closer to 45 feet. 145 00:20:51.540 --> 00:21:01.139 Community Hall: In addition, we work with our project arborist to protect and maintain the trees along the rear property line to maintain the privacy for the existing single-family homeowners, which we know is very important. 146 00:21:01.320 --> 00:21:13.529 Community Hall: In total, 20% of the units will be reserved as affordable, fully meeting the City's below-market rate requirements. As staff noted, we're protected by SB330, the Housing Accountability Act and Density bonus law. 147 00:21:13.630 --> 00:21:19.989 Community Hall: We greatly appreciate the efforts of city staff and the collaborative process that has guided the proposal. 148 00:21:20.330 --> 00:21:25.960 Community Hall: We are confident that this community will deliver high- quality living experience for future residents of Cupertino. 149 00:21:26.260 --> 00:21:28.289 Community Hall: And we're excited to get building it. 150 00:21:28.780 --> 00:21:41.970 Community Hall: Joining me this evening is Rita Raj Sharma of the Dolan Group, in case you have any specific questions about the architecture or the land planning concepts. We're happy to answer any questions you may have, and we appreciate your time and your support. Thank you. 151 00:21:44.640 --> 00:21:47.260 Community Hall: Great, thank you. Do we have any questions for the applicant? 152 00:21:47.260 --> 00:22:06.510 Community Hall: Yeah, I have one. So, the staff mentioned you… you hosted a community meeting as well. We did. What was the radius, and how many people showed up? I don't know the radius. I did the mailers myself, so it was a lot of flyers, but unfortunately, we had zero people show up. I even took a picture for our planner, Danielle, because… 153 00:22:06.510 --> 00:22:07.270 Community Hall: I'm sorry? 154 00:22:07.300 --> 00:22:21.760 Community Hall: Wow. Yeah, no, it was a warm day, but we sat out and had pizza in front of the old Coach House Liquor site, and nobody came in an hour and a half. Was it an evening or a weekend? Yeah, we did it, I think, at 5.30, on… it was a Tuesday or Wednesday during the week. 155 00:22:21.800 --> 00:22:22.770 Community Hall: Okay. 156 00:22:23.020 --> 00:22:29.140 Community Hall: Unfortunately, nobody came. And how far in advance did you send out the postcards? I think we did it about two and a half weeks before. Okay. 157 00:22:29.690 --> 00:22:37.560 Community Hall: We typically try to do it close to the meeting, so people get them, but I know it looks like junk mail, so it's tricky, you know? Okay, thank you. 158 00:22:39.430 --> 00:22:40.680 Community Hall: Any other questions? 159 00:22:42.040 --> 00:22:43.069 Community Hall: Commissioner Rao? 160 00:22:44.160 --> 00:22:48.870 Community Hall: I was gonna say, it is election season, they may have thrown it out along with other election mailers, but… 161 00:22:49.610 --> 00:23:05.679 Community Hall: You know, I'll just clarify briefly, I… one of the residents that I spoke to did seem quite aware of the project, so I don't think that everyone missed the notice. I think that they may have been okay with what they were seeing and didn't feel a need to show up at the hearing. That's my… 162 00:23:05.680 --> 00:23:13.999 Community Hall: I guess. But I, I did have a question. Was there any outreach done for the businesses? Did you hear anything back from them? 163 00:23:14.100 --> 00:23:29.000 Community Hall: No, but I do, full transparency, I don't have a relationship with the existing tenants. The landowner, we're in contract to purchase a property, the landowner communicates with them, and as they've, I do know the two remaining tenants towards the rear of this site are on month-to-month leases, there's been… 164 00:23:29.000 --> 00:23:35.859 Community Hall: Obviously, a previously entitled project and a for sale sign on both frontages, and has been kept in the loop that, 165 00:23:35.860 --> 00:23:41.660 Community Hall: We'll be purchasing the property. We're buying the property in November, so, they know that it's coming. 166 00:23:41.850 --> 00:23:48.309 Community Hall: Almost everything towards the front along, South Dianza is completely vacant at this point. 167 00:23:48.590 --> 00:24:07.469 Community Hall: Got it, thank you. And I had another, question. The… I noticed in the plan set that the construction area and the staging area and the parking area is right next to the homes. Is… do you foresee that causing a lot of noise, and if… if so, is there a different place that that might 168 00:24:07.530 --> 00:24:08.690 Community Hall: be placed. 169 00:24:08.690 --> 00:24:33.589 Community Hall: Oh, we could absolutely revisit it. You know, as part of the planning process, we have to do a construction staging plan, and really early in the process, we haven't always figured out our sequencing of building the project and how it will work in terms of production home building, but once we ultimately decide which way we'll build the project, we can absolutely do our best to respect the single-family homeowners, you know, and move our construction trailer and parking as far away from it as possible. 170 00:24:33.590 --> 00:24:58.280 Community Hall: We really want to be… we recognize that, obviously, the rear portion of the site is next to single-family, whereas we have a gas station and a commercial office building on the other side, which I think would be much less of an impact to those people than to, you know, the backyards of a private landowner. Okay, great, thank you, because I did go back through the previous public hearing a few years ago, and it sounded like there were a lot of families with kids in this… on the back side, so I think that might be appreciated. 171 00:24:58.280 --> 00:25:00.309 Community Hall: Sure. Wonderful. Vice Chair? 172 00:25:01.120 --> 00:25:06.050 Community Hall: So, are you prepared to answer questions on the environmental site assessment? 173 00:25:07.240 --> 00:25:16.590 Community Hall: In general, I didn't write the Phase 1, because… That was reading, and I didn't read all 800-something pages, but… Okay. One thing… 174 00:25:16.760 --> 00:25:19.920 Community Hall: that I noticed, and I had a question, is there… 175 00:25:20.200 --> 00:25:24.079 Community Hall: Any living space on the ground floor that's against the… 176 00:25:25.140 --> 00:25:35.829 Community Hall: Yes. Against the ground, or is it only the garage? No, we have living space on the ground floor. You do? So, are you gonna be putting in any kind of vapor barrier between the ground and the… 177 00:25:36.610 --> 00:25:38.910 Community Hall: first floor, because I'm just noticing… 178 00:25:39.090 --> 00:25:43.949 Community Hall: This vapor encroachment condition screening 179 00:25:44.090 --> 00:25:58.319 Community Hall: And all it says, it's presumed unlikely that it exists, but they didn't do any testing, apparently. Yeah, no, we're not going to be under county oversight, so we won't be putting in a vapor barrier system. The site was… didn't trigger a Phase 2 testing requirement. 180 00:25:58.320 --> 00:26:06.010 Community Hall: I know that there's a case closure, that existed on the corner gas station, but no further action was required on that parcel. 181 00:26:07.410 --> 00:26:23.620 Community Hall: Okay, yeah, I'm reading it. It says it did… the remaining contamination didn't provide a significant threat, but then it goes on to talk about the vapor encroachment, and apparently that was never tested. It just says it's presumed unlikely that it exists. 182 00:26:23.910 --> 00:26:27.149 Community Hall: And I guess that's sufficient for you. You're not gonna put in… 183 00:26:27.390 --> 00:26:30.779 Community Hall: like, some of these other projects, I know in Saratoga. 184 00:26:30.830 --> 00:26:47.409 Community Hall: One of the Pulte projects, they had, like, 24-7 ventilation in each unit. No, we've done that. I don't think it's merit in this case. You know, that's typically when you have an active, you know, like a PCE, TCE, or some other contaminant that requires the Department of Environmental Health oversight, you know, a vapor barrier system. 185 00:26:47.940 --> 00:26:55.070 Community Hall: is quite extensive, it's costly, and I don't think there's any reason to believe it's necessary in this case. Okay, thank you. 186 00:26:57.500 --> 00:26:59.950 Community Hall: Any other questions from Commissioner? 187 00:27:01.000 --> 00:27:17.940 Community Hall: I had… oh, sorry, go on. Commissioner. Okay. I had one other question. So one of the, feedback from the residents was a… so, first of all, thank you for keeping the cypress trees, but there is a gap, there are two gaps between, 188 00:27:18.010 --> 00:27:33.479 Community Hall: one of the homes, that's the second house from the south, where they can actually have a very clear view into what is eventually going to be three-story homes, and vice versa, the homes will be able to see them. And is there a possibility to close those gaps with 189 00:27:33.480 --> 00:27:40.219 Community Hall: You know, maybe have the arborist, consider some trees, any sort of filler, 190 00:27:40.470 --> 00:27:44.690 Community Hall: Foliage that can go in between the cypress tree gaps. 191 00:27:45.400 --> 00:28:00.290 Community Hall: Yeah, that's not a problem. We can meet with our landscape architect. I just want to make sure that the root systems of the existing cypress trees are safe. You know, obviously we have a tree protection barrier, but we can look, coordinate between city staff and the arborist and our landscape architect to 192 00:28:00.430 --> 00:28:08.740 Community Hall: try to get some plant, trees in there that will eventually provide additional coverage. I respect people's right to have privacy. Great, thank you. 193 00:28:09.290 --> 00:28:11.029 Community Hall: Commissioner Rao? 194 00:28:11.880 --> 00:28:16.270 Community Hall: Yeah, my question to staff. So, the Phase 1 ESA 195 00:28:16.600 --> 00:28:19.799 Community Hall: Is that something that staff reviews, or do we have a… 196 00:28:20.070 --> 00:28:30.159 Community Hall: environmental consultant, like Placeworks, that does the review on our behalf? Right, in this case, we had Placeworks do the review. And is Placeworks on the call? They… they're available for questions, yeah. 197 00:28:30.330 --> 00:28:36.920 Community Hall: Maybe this is a question for Placeworks, then. Is the ESA different materially from what 198 00:28:37.190 --> 00:28:40.549 Community Hall: The prior incarnation of the project was, two years ago. 199 00:28:41.090 --> 00:28:48.229 Community Hall: Has there been any… Has there been any analysis of the ESA from 2 years ago to see 200 00:28:48.360 --> 00:28:51.329 Community Hall: Whether there was any sort of remediation required. 201 00:28:51.450 --> 00:28:58.480 Community Hall: At that time versus now. I might answer that question. Actually, there was no remediation required for the prior project either. Okay. Yeah. 202 00:28:58.800 --> 00:29:01.540 Community Hall: And the gas station is… 203 00:29:02.080 --> 00:29:10.970 Community Hall: separated from the parcel by the ICANN parcel, is that right? No, the gas station abuts this parcel on the eastern, on the eastern side. Yeah. Okay. 204 00:29:12.000 --> 00:29:18.940 Community Hall: And are there requirements that… That apply, because there is a gas station that apart the parcel. 205 00:29:19.410 --> 00:29:25.240 Community Hall: Not necessarily. They will follow up building, code requirements as it relates to construction. 206 00:29:27.200 --> 00:29:28.490 Community Hall: Okay, thank you. 207 00:29:29.840 --> 00:29:32.220 Community Hall: Any other questions from the Commission? Vice Chair? 208 00:29:32.840 --> 00:29:45.620 Community Hall: I seem to recall in the previous project, there was some concern by the sheriff's Department about the connection between this project and the buildings that they occupy. 209 00:29:46.050 --> 00:30:04.619 Community Hall: Do you remember that, Piu? Yeah, I do, actually, unfortunately. Is it the same situation here, or what? No, not necessarily. There's actually a project proposed on that site right now for residential development, and so the… the sheriff's building is proposed to be demolished. With that, there's gonna be a hundred and… 210 00:30:04.970 --> 00:30:08.219 Community Hall: 100 or 120 homes on that site, as well. 211 00:30:08.290 --> 00:30:26.530 Community Hall: And this condition is essentially to require that opening, should that be developed with some of that resident. So, it doesn't necessarily materially impact the sheriff Department's operations. Okay, but will it impact the other project that's going to be built there? In a positive way, yes. Okay. Yeah. Alright, thank you. 212 00:30:27.970 --> 00:30:30.619 Community Hall: Any other questions from Commission, Commissioner Rao? 213 00:30:34.020 --> 00:30:42.569 Community Hall: Yeah, so the… The project intends to place artwork on the… on the premises, is that right? 214 00:30:43.580 --> 00:30:45.239 Community Hall: Correct, yes. Okay. 215 00:30:45.360 --> 00:30:54.160 Community Hall: And then, given the entry and exit into the project is gonna be to… South Piazza Boulevard, other… 216 00:30:54.680 --> 00:30:59.290 Community Hall: Line of sight requirements on the exit out of the parcel. 217 00:30:59.740 --> 00:31:03.239 Community Hall: And what is the distance to which that line of sight must exist? 218 00:31:03.290 --> 00:31:21.159 Community Hall: at the point of egress or ingress, or egress, I guess. Right, I'm not exactly sure of the dimensions of it, but there are line- of-sight triangles for every driveway, entry and exit in the city, and those were included on the plans and reviewed by our Public Works Department to ensure that they met our standards. And so the… 219 00:31:21.430 --> 00:31:34.019 Community Hall: public art pieces located outside of those site triangles, and again, they've… they've been cleared for the development. Do we have a diagram from the ASA or otherwise that shows the line of sight versus the public art? 220 00:31:34.560 --> 00:31:35.489 Community Hall: Yeah, we do. 221 00:31:35.800 --> 00:31:40.690 Community Hall: Let me go ahead and pull up the, public art… 222 00:31:41.190 --> 00:31:46.190 Community Hall: location, and right here, I do have a little star indicator where the 223 00:31:46.340 --> 00:31:56.650 Community Hall: public art is located, so I'm gonna move, but there you can kind of see the proposed public art piece location, and then this hatched area is going to be that line of sight triangle. 224 00:31:58.550 --> 00:32:02.269 Community Hall: Can you explain that a little more slowly? You're trying to… 225 00:32:03.010 --> 00:32:12.659 Community Hall: Sure, absolutely. So the proposed public art piece is this gray dot here, previously represented by the yellow star, which I moved over to the left, so that's why it's there. 226 00:32:12.660 --> 00:32:23.240 Community Hall: And then the hatched area, shown here, is the site triangle for the driveway, which has these little bricks right here. It's just a small representation of it. If I go… 227 00:32:23.440 --> 00:32:32.180 Community Hall: back a couple of slides, I think we might be able to find a site plan, which better shows, again, the line of sight on both sides of that driveway. 228 00:32:33.650 --> 00:32:39.890 Community Hall: And so, at the point of location of the public art, it is still overlapping with the line of sight, correct? 229 00:32:40.040 --> 00:32:56.899 Community Hall: it is outside of the line of sight. So again, the line of sight is a triangle shape. Is it possible to zoom in on this? I can… I think the closest thing I have to that is going back over to this smaller diagram, and that's the zoomed-in version, right, of that hatched triangle. 230 00:32:57.060 --> 00:33:13.120 Community Hall: But this is available as, sheet, I believe, C3.0, which is the civil site plan for the property. So I guess I'm on Zoom here, and I can zoom with my fingers, I guess. Okay, okay, good. But zooming with my fingers, it looks like it does overlap with the line of sight. 231 00:33:13.860 --> 00:33:19.830 Community Hall: Okay. Well, it… the site plan does indicate that the dot is located outside of the site triangle. 232 00:33:20.120 --> 00:33:24.089 Community Hall: And that determination is made by Public Works, or… 233 00:33:24.880 --> 00:33:36.630 Community Hall: It's a site triangle that's objectively stated in the city's code, and they measure it out on the site plan, and the dot represents the public art piece, which is clearly located out of the triangle. 234 00:33:37.330 --> 00:33:55.860 Community Hall: And I'll also note that… Yeah, I'm looking at it right here, and it's within the triangle. Okay, so I think I'll also note, though, that the… Oh, maybe I should clarify. So when we say within the triangle, that is within the actual shaded boundary of the triangle? Oh, okay, thank you. It has to be located outside that has triangle. Okay, understood, thank you. Appreciate that. 235 00:33:57.800 --> 00:33:59.810 Community Hall: Any other questions from the Commission? 236 00:34:01.440 --> 00:34:19.709 Community Hall: I will ask a question about traffic. So, a lot of residents will probably, come out on Prospect, instead of coming… turning right on De Anza and then doing a U-turn on De Anza. If they're trying to go north, they'll likely want to come out on… on Prospect. 237 00:34:19.730 --> 00:34:28.209 Community Hall: Any concerns about traffic? Has that been discussed with city staff? Or do we anticipate any issues there? 238 00:34:30.790 --> 00:34:49.100 Community Hall: Right, so I think the project was reviewed by our transportation department, as well as with the transportation analysis that was peer-reviewed in addition to the review by our city staff. With that, they didn't note any significant conflicts with those two turning points. That being said, you know, it doesn't necessarily 239 00:34:49.810 --> 00:34:59.420 Community Hall: account for every single scenario, right? I don't think that's possible, but it sounds like there's a concern of anyone maybe cutting across prospect? Is that the… 240 00:35:00.400 --> 00:35:08.650 Community Hall: Yeah, I'm just wondering if people are turning left on prospect. Has that, you know, has that been studied and made sure that 241 00:35:08.870 --> 00:35:25.950 Community Hall: you know, the infrastructure will handle if, you know, the increase in potential number of left turns there. So, based on the traffic analysis, I don't believe that it has indicated that there are increased number of trips to and from the site, and so it doesn't necessarily impact what's coming in and out. 242 00:35:26.150 --> 00:35:40.340 Community Hall: Okay, so… In fact, they're actually closing one driveway on Prospect, so it's actually improving the situation a little bit. They're moving the driveway further away from the intersection. That helps, all in all. Oh, okay, great. 243 00:35:42.140 --> 00:35:54.729 Community Hall: Commissioner Rao. Yeah, and just to reiterate, this was a retail shopping center, like a strip shopping center, so you'd have probably a lot more floating traffic going in and out of the stores as visitors compared to 244 00:35:54.890 --> 00:35:57.080 Community Hall: 35 townhomes where guests may. 245 00:35:57.560 --> 00:36:04.259 Community Hall: Visit occasionally, so is there any sort of analysis of, does this actually reduce the traffic coming out of this location? 246 00:36:04.900 --> 00:36:06.280 Community Hall: Or into this location. 247 00:36:07.060 --> 00:36:10.860 Community Hall: Is it fair to say, not looking for accurate analysis, but is it fair to say 248 00:36:11.160 --> 00:36:22.179 Community Hall: there's a likelihood the traffic reduces, as opposed to increases? Yeah, so the traffic impact analysis that was performed concluded that there would be 5 net new trips during the 249 00:36:22.180 --> 00:36:36.230 Community Hall: AM peak hours, which is generally your work hours, and then no net new daily trips, or PM trips. So overall, it's a neutral impact, but there might be, again, 5 additional trips in the morning based on that calculation. 250 00:36:36.280 --> 00:36:40.389 Community Hall: And was the traffic impact analysis included in the agenda packet? 251 00:36:40.510 --> 00:36:41.670 Community Hall: It was not, no. 252 00:36:42.190 --> 00:36:46.660 Community Hall: I would probably recommend for Council that may be something to include. Absolutely. 253 00:36:48.460 --> 00:36:50.350 Community Hall: Any other questions from Commission? 254 00:36:51.200 --> 00:37:05.029 Community Hall: All right, then we will move to public comment. City Clerk, do we have public comments on this? We have one speaker in person and three speakers on Zoom. Our first speaker is Rhoda Frye, followed by Jennifer Griffin, followed by Feng Li. Welcome, Rhoda. 255 00:37:05.520 --> 00:37:23.659 Community Hall: Well, I shouldn't be surprised that our wonderful planning commissioners have already answered many of my questions. I recall in the past being concerned about the issues with the gas station. I'm still concerned about that, because we know what the impacts are to residents when… 256 00:37:24.220 --> 00:37:31.400 Community Hall: When they live in a place that is polluted for long periods of time, 257 00:37:31.540 --> 00:37:42.970 Community Hall: the other thing that I think is unfortunate, and I know we're all going to agree on this one, is the loss of retail. And this is what everybody's talking about, is that we need more retail. And, you know. 258 00:37:43.300 --> 00:37:46.390 Community Hall: When people shop in Cupertino. 259 00:37:47.470 --> 00:38:00.479 Community Hall: we get a portion of the sales tax revenue with a share from the county… a share from the county, but there's another component of this, too, and it's called the Bradley Burns tax. So when any… when… 260 00:38:00.630 --> 00:38:10.300 Community Hall: if I'm… when I shop Cupertino, I try to shop Cupertino as much as I can, but it's getting harder and harder, and I won't, you know, we won't be able to go to the shops that are… or restaurants that are there anymore. 261 00:38:10.480 --> 00:38:14.070 Community Hall: If I spend 100 bucks, Cupertino gets a buck. 262 00:38:14.440 --> 00:38:15.730 Community Hall: It all adds up. 263 00:38:16.450 --> 00:38:18.260 Community Hall: We need to have retail. 264 00:38:18.380 --> 00:38:29.309 Community Hall: And… I guess your hands are tired. I mean, we keep on hearing about Retail downstairs, and… 265 00:38:29.790 --> 00:38:47.829 Community Hall: living upstairs. And it already sounds, for Mr. Scharf, that maybe there is an issue about potentially living downstairs in this place, so that could be potentially solved by having that retail there. There was successful retail there in the past, and I see a big, thick plan set. 266 00:38:48.100 --> 00:38:52.629 Community Hall: Those guys have, so maybe all hands are tied, but… 267 00:38:53.140 --> 00:39:00.169 Community Hall: So I guess I'm just hoping that, you know, every time we see more loss of retail, right? 268 00:39:00.520 --> 00:39:12.140 Community Hall: the Panera area, and the coffee shop, and Staples Shopping Center, where we shopped at Staples. We're losing them, and it… and retail's becoming extinct. 269 00:39:12.350 --> 00:39:19.229 Community Hall: So… I know I'm preaching the choir, but I… I have to say it, so thank you. 270 00:39:21.120 --> 00:39:26.689 Community Hall: Thank you, Rhoda. Our next speaker is Jennifer Griffin, followed by Feng Li, followed by Yao Lin. 271 00:39:28.540 --> 00:39:29.870 Community Hall: Welcome, Jennifer. 272 00:39:30.190 --> 00:39:32.669 Jennifer Griffin: Thank you. Can you all hear me? 273 00:39:33.220 --> 00:39:34.340 Community Hall: Yes, we can hear you. 274 00:39:34.340 --> 00:39:46.889 Jennifer Griffin: Thank you. Good to talk to you all this evening. I will say that we spent a great deal of time in the city looking at the previous project several years ago, 275 00:39:47.010 --> 00:39:53.589 Jennifer Griffin: I think that the… there was a lot of analysis of it. There were existing issues with traffic, 276 00:39:53.920 --> 00:40:09.250 Jennifer Griffin: the e-bike situation, children going back and forth. This is Monta Vista High School, I'm assuming. My husband grew up, his family home was directly behind this project area. He would play in the Blue Creek, 277 00:40:09.600 --> 00:40:21.690 Jennifer Griffin: the creek area adjacent with his brothers, etc, etc. So, I'm greatly disappointed that we are losing retail again. We all… this is the seventh project to hit Cupertino. 278 00:40:21.810 --> 00:40:32.890 Jennifer Griffin: where major historic retail that has been there for at least 75 to 80 years is basically being wiped down. It's not the developer's fault, it's just that 279 00:40:33.110 --> 00:40:39.499 Jennifer Griffin: We have a lot of… Careless, clueless housing laws that have been pumped out. 280 00:40:39.810 --> 00:40:59.560 Jennifer Griffin: in the last 3 to 4 years, which are… now they're coming so fast that nobody can keep up with them. They make no sense. But… but the casualty is the residents of Cupertino and also the neighboring cities of Saratoga and San Jose. This is a very… this area is a very important 281 00:40:59.700 --> 00:41:13.999 Jennifer Griffin: entry point into Cupertino, across the street is San Jose, Saratoga's across the street. Lots of active retail. We go, we eat at Jake's. There's a new Mexican restaurant that's right on the corner at Blue Hills. 282 00:41:14.000 --> 00:41:22.960 Jennifer Griffin: And I'm… I cannot reiterate that we have to protect our retail. We were in Scotts Valley, my husband and I, on Monday. 283 00:41:23.020 --> 00:41:27.480 Jennifer Griffin: Brand new retail in their lovely, 284 00:41:27.890 --> 00:41:36.200 Jennifer Griffin: Target shopping center, which has been remodeled. Brand new. Coffee shops, hair salons. 285 00:41:36.340 --> 00:41:45.950 Jennifer Griffin: active retail, people everywhere shopping. Why can't we have this in Cupertino? So, my main complaint with this site is that we have, again. 286 00:41:46.040 --> 00:41:56.340 Jennifer Griffin: We're not looking clearly at who needs and lives in the city. We need retail to support. Also, I went over there this afternoon. 287 00:41:56.340 --> 00:42:08.979 Jennifer Griffin: I'm very familiar with the area, my husband's family home is still back there, and his medical offices for his family were immediately adjacent. That entire shopping… the… the… 288 00:42:09.170 --> 00:42:14.729 Jennifer Griffin: Travel lane that goes on to Prospect was completely filled up with medical 289 00:42:15.110 --> 00:42:25.539 Jennifer Griffin: with cars from the medical complex. What happens to that? I also could not get out onto Stevens Creek, onto South De Anza Boulevard. I had to drive through 290 00:42:25.730 --> 00:42:32.620 Jennifer Griffin: the, gas station and come out onto Prospect. I'm really concerned about the safety of this. Thank you. 291 00:42:32.770 --> 00:42:36.609 Community Hall: Thank you, Jennifer. Our next speaker is Feng Li, followed by Yao Lin. 292 00:42:47.240 --> 00:42:52.970 Community Hall: Is it possible for the remote speaker to speak in person if they're now here? Yeah, that should be fine. Go ahead. 293 00:42:55.330 --> 00:42:58.059 Community Hall: Thanks, yeah. Thanks, everybody. 294 00:43:00.940 --> 00:43:12.920 Community Hall: One of the reasons we don't, like, appear in the, in these kind of meetings, and it's, I think two reasons. One is the plan indeed looks much better than the original plan approved. The tree, like, was kept. 295 00:43:12.950 --> 00:43:25.870 Community Hall: The setback is, I think, is longer than the original plan, where the backyards are close to each other. The other actually very important reason is most of the people living in that, in that area, we are all tech companies. 296 00:43:25.870 --> 00:43:32.050 Community Hall: Workers with kids from 2 years old to 7 years old, so it's very busy for us. 297 00:43:32.050 --> 00:43:48.890 Community Hall: From 5.30 to 6.30, so it's very hard for you to reach us during that time. Sorry, can you please speak into the mic? Thank you. Yeah, yeah, I'll speak in the mic. So, I just want to explain. So, I think to us, the most important thing is, first, privacy, second is construction noise, and third, I think, traffic, maybe a little bit, but I can't explain. 298 00:43:48.890 --> 00:43:59.960 Community Hall: Privacy, the major thing is, I think the… based on the plan, I see several exception requests on the setback and the heights. I'm just wondering, is this normal, or is kind of… 299 00:44:00.060 --> 00:44:02.770 Community Hall: It's regularly replaced, or it's Nike? 300 00:44:03.080 --> 00:44:19.809 Community Hall: not Euro, with that height, and with that distance, so that's my thing, yeah. Because the closer to the home, the taller, taller the rooms, especially out of the top, then it's easier for them to see all the windows, everyone, in the backyard, and also in the house, yeah. 301 00:44:19.990 --> 00:44:32.410 Community Hall: Construction noise is because during the construction, most of us, work remotely, three days a week, for the company. And also, we have kids who come out to school from 302 00:44:32.460 --> 00:44:50.330 Community Hall: 5, like, 5 on 5 PM, 4PM, they come home, they'll, like, play in their backyards, and they, like, work on studies, so the… I think one of the counselors, like, Teresa already mentioned, like, if the area, sitting area is, like, near to Deanza, rather than far away from house, that would be good. Yeah. 303 00:44:50.430 --> 00:45:02.159 Community Hall: For the traffic, I think it's a good point. Maybe it's not worse than today, but the… on the prospect road, turnoff is actually very risky. I can imagine in the future. 304 00:45:02.220 --> 00:45:11.140 Community Hall: the residents coming out of Jemstown, they turn left. In the meantime, the residents outside the town hall, they turn left or turn right, and they are very close. 305 00:45:11.360 --> 00:45:30.130 Community Hall: So this could be some potential concerns. But I do agree, like, in theory, the traffic shouldn't be… It depends. Maybe the time window is different. For the commercial, their time window is different from the commute time window. So that part, I don't know, I don't have strong, like… 306 00:45:30.360 --> 00:45:39.039 Community Hall: confidence on whether it's a good thing or a bad thing, but just want to call it, like, everywhere. Most of us were connected in that area, yeah, during that time, yeah. 307 00:45:39.190 --> 00:45:39.870 Community Hall: Yeah. 308 00:45:40.200 --> 00:45:41.289 Community Hall: Cool, that's it. 309 00:45:41.720 --> 00:45:52.760 Community Hall: Also, thanks for the City Councilors. They come to our house, knock our doors, to ensure we know we're aware of this, like, that's the most efficient way to communicate. Thanks a lot. Planning Commissioners. 310 00:45:58.670 --> 00:46:04.159 Community Hall: Our speaker on Zoom lowered their hand, so we have no remaining speakers in person or on Zoom chair. 311 00:46:04.780 --> 00:46:13.370 Community Hall: Great, thank you very much, City Clerk, and thank you to the members of the public for coming in to speak. We will now bring it back to the Commission. Do we have any further questions? 312 00:46:16.700 --> 00:46:17.650 Community Hall: Yes. 313 00:46:18.710 --> 00:46:24.689 Community Hall: So the, 44 feet height, is that with the rooftop deck, or is that… 314 00:46:26.500 --> 00:46:35.700 Community Hall: Sorry to interrupt, it looks like our speaker on Zoom raised their hand once again, if you want to reopen public comment, Chair? Oh, yes, let us reopen the public comment, thank you. 315 00:46:37.940 --> 00:46:39.510 Community Hall: Welcome, Yao. 316 00:46:47.960 --> 00:46:49.540 Community Hall: Yao, you're unmuted. 317 00:46:49.540 --> 00:46:50.519 Yao Lin: Can you hear me? 318 00:46:50.970 --> 00:46:52.210 Community Hall: Yes, we can hear you. 319 00:46:52.380 --> 00:46:54.760 Yao Lin: Yeah, hi, hi everyone. 320 00:46:54.800 --> 00:47:19.729 Yao Lin: Yeah, I agree with what other speakers have mentioned, and I want to touchpoint on a few more questions I have in mind, or concerns in mind. First thing is about the, like, notice and announcement of this project, and thanks a lot for, Mr. Yao, who came to our house and notified us just before this meeting, so I haven't got a chance to review the 321 00:47:19.730 --> 00:47:20.920 Yao Lin: plans. 322 00:47:21.910 --> 00:47:38.939 Yao Lin: I think, like, 3 years ago, there was another plan that, another project plan, where they had the, like, the poster just in… on the set, like, a very large, poster on the set, so we came to know, well, there is a project ongoing, and… 323 00:47:38.940 --> 00:47:53.090 Yao Lin: And currently, there is still, like, on sale, on sale notice on the site, so we were, like, we had the impression that that is still on sale, so that's why, like, we were not aware of this project at all. 324 00:47:53.110 --> 00:48:09.529 Yao Lin: Yeah, and one more thing I want to, mention is about the trees, and thanks for, like, reserving the current trees. Yeah, but I also would also like to have the, like. 325 00:48:09.660 --> 00:48:22.769 Yao Lin: the, the… the… to be, like, there may be some gaps along this, along all the, all the boundaries, along the boundaries. There may be some, gaps, like, there is still… 326 00:48:22.770 --> 00:48:32.200 Yao Lin: see-throughs, so I want… I hope that can be, examined and make sure that the entire boundary is covered by trees. 327 00:48:32.200 --> 00:48:45.279 Yao Lin: Yeah, and also, if there is plan to plant new trees, hopefully it's, like, a bigger, bigger enough tree, like, not something that grows from the beginning, so that it may take a few years to grow. 328 00:48:45.860 --> 00:49:00.910 Yao Lin: And, another thing is about the traffic. So I do… I have the same concern, with the other speaker, that we… we mostly turn, left from Prospect to Diana. 329 00:49:00.910 --> 00:49:06.170 Yao Lin: So, I'm concerned about traffic there, because it seems… 330 00:49:06.210 --> 00:49:21.299 Yao Lin: it's… it's a very, like, short term, and a lot of people here, we work… a lot of people here live, living in the Jamestown, or other, like, neighborhood. It's… is… they, like, they work… 331 00:49:21.300 --> 00:49:28.069 Yao Lin: Yeah, on, on the north, so we have to, like, turn left there. Yeah. 332 00:49:28.180 --> 00:49:30.210 Yao Lin: And, 333 00:49:30.770 --> 00:49:40.549 Yao Lin: another thing is about, during the construction. During construction, we want to make sure that there is a plan, in place to make sure that 334 00:49:40.550 --> 00:49:57.129 Yao Lin: It's our, like, daily life, because this construction may take a few, a few months, to continue, and then hopefully, and we, we will have, like, families and kids, living here, playing in the back, backyard, so there's something, to be careful. 335 00:49:57.130 --> 00:49:58.630 Community Hall: Thank you, Yao, that is your time. 336 00:50:00.520 --> 00:50:08.020 Community Hall: We have no remaining speakers, Chair. Thank you very much, and actually, we will let the applicant respond to any of the comments if they would like. 337 00:50:13.040 --> 00:50:17.770 Community Hall: Fun 2 is, the construction… concerns about 338 00:50:17.770 --> 00:50:40.630 Community Hall: you know, keeping the site clean, staging, all that. We're gonna be a good neighbor. We're gonna notice… we have to notice the neighbors when we start construction. I think we have to give them an update on our schedule. We're gonna start demolition, the different stages. We do that. We provide our project superintendent, provide my phone number, my email. There's a superintendent on-site all the time. We recognize that the single-family homeowners will be concerned about noise and dust. We always abide by all the… 339 00:50:40.630 --> 00:50:53.859 Community Hall: you know, the requirements, the hours that we're allowed to work. We're not starting early and working late. We abide by the rules, or we're gonna get red-tagged. So, we're gonna be a good neighbor, and we can do everything we can to push, like I said, the construction staging area towards, 340 00:50:53.980 --> 00:51:01.079 Community Hall: towards South De Anza, we don't want angry homeowners, we want them to be happy homeowners, so we want to be a good partner. Thank you. 341 00:51:02.530 --> 00:51:06.469 Community Hall: Thank you. Do we have any other questions for the applicant before we close the public hearing? 342 00:51:06.890 --> 00:51:09.869 Community Hall: Sounds like Commissioner Feng? Yeah, sure. 343 00:51:10.300 --> 00:51:12.780 Community Hall: We didn't talk about the, 344 00:51:13.140 --> 00:51:15.350 Community Hall: On the plans, there's a, 345 00:51:15.470 --> 00:51:21.779 Community Hall: the driveway path does look like it has a connection to the place immediately north, and I'm curious if we could comment on 346 00:51:21.900 --> 00:51:45.780 Community Hall: what your intent was today about how that would be implemented. So, during the planning process, staff asked us to reach, coordinate with a neighbor on the Dollinger property to discuss a potential connection for the future. So, I spoke to Jason, who's doing the entitlements over there, and we basically had our civil engineers coordinate to make sure that the driveways would line up if and when the Dollinger property is redeveloped. 347 00:51:45.780 --> 00:51:55.170 Community Hall: to townhomes. So, when we build the site, we'll just be putting up a good neighbor fence and stubbing a road, and then I have no idea what the ultimate fate of that project is. I know they're in the 348 00:51:55.170 --> 00:51:56.419 Community Hall: Planning process, so… 349 00:51:57.190 --> 00:52:04.300 Community Hall: So, so the plan is to at least, you know, for the estimated, you're building… you are building the fence across that. 350 00:52:04.480 --> 00:52:10.069 Community Hall: Yes, we're gonna stub it ready to go to be connected if and when it happens in the future. Great. Thank you. 351 00:52:11.520 --> 00:52:12.960 Community Hall: Any other questions? 352 00:52:13.230 --> 00:52:15.520 Community Hall: Yes, sir. Yes. Commissioner Rao. 353 00:52:16.580 --> 00:52:22.080 Community Hall: So, I wanna admire this conceptual plan. It's, 354 00:52:22.560 --> 00:52:27.500 Community Hall: It's brief, but it's really probably the original objective design standard. 355 00:52:27.840 --> 00:52:34.449 Community Hall: pretty prescriptive in the use of the word shallow, which I assume is objective and is mandatory versus should and may. 356 00:52:35.290 --> 00:52:38.219 Community Hall: So, there's a shell stipulation here. 357 00:52:39.160 --> 00:52:46.590 Community Hall: I believe it is… 19… A. 358 00:52:46.870 --> 00:52:50.529 Community Hall: 19A, in the South Dianza Conceptual Plan. 359 00:52:51.000 --> 00:53:03.809 Community Hall: And it reads, the building height shall be limited to one or two stories, except that third story may be permitted if a finding is made that the third story adds interest to a building, does not adversely impact surrounding properties, particularly in residential districts. 360 00:53:04.250 --> 00:53:08.699 Community Hall: Is that a finding that the applicant sought a waiver for? 361 00:53:09.580 --> 00:53:19.239 Community Hall: Right, I just want to make sure that we're reviewing the… the same plan here. So this… this property is subject to the South Saratoga Sunnyvale Road 362 00:53:19.490 --> 00:53:35.950 Community Hall: conceptual zoning plan, and it's… it's just below the South De Anza conceptual zoning area, which I believe is the one you're referencing with that language. So I just want to double check that. Okay, because I thought the map on the city's page… 363 00:53:37.480 --> 00:53:38.690 Community Hall: Filled otherwise. 364 00:53:40.870 --> 00:53:43.249 Community Hall: Okay, we can take other questions, I will come back. 365 00:53:43.540 --> 00:53:44.439 Community Hall: Vice Chair? 366 00:53:44.900 --> 00:53:48.860 Community Hall: So, I had a question on the BMR. First, I'm thrilled that you're having 367 00:53:49.430 --> 00:53:52.860 Community Hall: Some of the BM are not moderate income. 368 00:53:53.120 --> 00:54:02.849 Community Hall: But I thought we had a 20% requirement, and there's 30 market rate units, so wouldn't it be 6 BMRs and not 5? 369 00:54:04.090 --> 00:54:17.959 Community Hall: So that is a function of the density bonus that they're receiving. Bmr requirements are on the base density, not on the bonus. So what is the pre-density bonus number? 26 units is the base. Oh, okay. 370 00:54:18.010 --> 00:54:25.560 Community Hall: And so, the calculation ends up being 5.2 units, and our BMR manual allows them to pay out the 0.2. 371 00:54:25.690 --> 00:54:32.999 Community Hall: And as a result, they're providing the 5 units. Okay, great. Well, I appreciate that there's finally some… 372 00:54:33.190 --> 00:54:36.290 Community Hall: non-moderate income BMR, because… 373 00:54:36.470 --> 00:54:41.459 Community Hall: I don't know when the last time we saw that in for-sale housing was. Thank you. 374 00:54:42.350 --> 00:54:52.410 Community Hall: I wanted to just follow up on some of the questions from the community members. The first, would staff be able to opine on, the height exception and, you know, how often that happens? 375 00:54:53.440 --> 00:54:56.949 Community Hall: With townhome projects, more than 5? All the time. 376 00:54:57.960 --> 00:54:59.340 Community Hall: Pretty much of late. 377 00:54:59.580 --> 00:55:05.200 Community Hall: All right, thank you. And then on the, question of traffic, 378 00:55:05.310 --> 00:55:09.869 Community Hall: I understand some of this might sort of need to be monitored, but, 379 00:55:10.170 --> 00:55:22.490 Community Hall: Is… is staff… would staff consider, you know, any sort of changes to the… the turnout or the current way the traffic is, marked out on the road? 380 00:55:22.700 --> 00:55:24.420 Community Hall: Based on this project. 381 00:55:25.820 --> 00:55:36.320 Community Hall: Fortunately, I can't speak for the transportation manager, but with any street improvement plans, they are always thinking about that, and how to make it safer. 382 00:55:36.320 --> 00:55:46.260 Community Hall: The street already has a sep… I won't say a separated bike lane, but a, a buffered bike lane already there, so they are always thinking about that. 383 00:55:46.310 --> 00:56:01.339 Community Hall: And like I mentioned, in addition to the fact that this is the further driveway from De Anza, that is open, there is one driveway that is closed, so they are reducing the number of conflict points with bike, pedestrian, and vehicle traffic. 384 00:56:01.960 --> 00:56:03.269 Community Hall: Okay, thank you. 385 00:56:04.100 --> 00:56:05.250 Community Hall: Commissioner Rao? 386 00:56:06.500 --> 00:56:12.749 Community Hall: Yes, thank you for that clarification. That map is actually well north of, 387 00:56:13.190 --> 00:56:15.110 Community Hall: Where the project site is, so… 388 00:56:15.300 --> 00:56:21.049 Community Hall: what we're saying is this is now subject to the… this is subject to the Sunnyva… South Sunnyvale and Saratoga. 389 00:56:21.470 --> 00:56:25.779 Community Hall: conceptual plan, and I'm looking at that, and I can't really see anything 390 00:56:27.160 --> 00:56:41.600 Community Hall: of consequence in there. So I think a similar standard that's applied to this project is the one you were noting from the South De Anza Boulevard Plan, is the three stories not to exceed 40 feet from top of curb. That's going to be condition 18A. 391 00:56:41.770 --> 00:56:43.130 Community Hall: And, 392 00:56:43.340 --> 00:56:56.570 Community Hall: Saratoga Sunnyvale Conceptual Plan, and if you need additional information regarding the height, or any of those setbacks… Right, yeah, I think the key difference is 18A here says 3 stories, whereas 18A in the other one says two stories. 393 00:56:56.690 --> 00:56:59.480 Community Hall: With exceptions made for a third story. Right. 394 00:56:59.770 --> 00:57:05.140 Community Hall: Now, the… The talk we reviewed says 4 stories, but that's the rooftop deck. 395 00:57:05.370 --> 00:57:14.070 Community Hall: So, is there a reason we called that four stories? Yes, it is definitionally a fourth story. That's just what it is, under the city's municipal code definitions. 396 00:57:14.940 --> 00:57:25.379 Community Hall: So we have to treat the rooftop deck as a fourth story? Because of the little entry pop-up over there. When you do a cross- section, it has a ceiling and a floor. That is considered a fourth floor. 397 00:57:25.530 --> 00:57:29.169 Community Hall: Is that unique to this project, or all projects? All projects. Okay. 398 00:57:30.030 --> 00:57:38.890 Community Hall: And so, how do we then explain this 18A that says 3 stories not to exceed 40 feet from top of curb? A waiver is being sought by that. We have a waiver. Okay. 399 00:57:40.180 --> 00:57:45.660 Community Hall: And the waiver specifically is for… I guess it covers both aspects, the three stories and the height. 400 00:57:45.810 --> 00:57:47.079 Community Hall: Of 44 feet. 401 00:57:47.270 --> 00:57:50.659 Community Hall: Yeah. I mean, they have unlimited waivers, so it doesn't matter. 402 00:57:51.130 --> 00:57:55.299 Community Hall: But is that explicit? They're explicitly called out, yes. Okay, okay. 403 00:57:57.340 --> 00:58:01.569 Community Hall: I will come back. I have more questions, but… Someone else can go next. 404 00:58:01.850 --> 00:58:04.850 Community Hall: Any other questions from the rest of the Commission? Nope, then back to you. 405 00:58:10.810 --> 00:58:13.440 Community Hall: I guess my next question was around the… 406 00:58:13.710 --> 00:58:17.240 Community Hall: Traffic management plan that is not included in the… 407 00:58:17.880 --> 00:58:22.750 Community Hall: In the docs, is that right? That is… that comes with building… Permits? 408 00:58:24.050 --> 00:58:34.759 Community Hall: the construction management plan? Yeah. Yes, that does come with building permit review. That is a standard thing that, city staff reviews. But we could condition as part of the approval 409 00:58:35.330 --> 00:58:38.170 Community Hall: Some recommendations around traffic management. 410 00:58:38.290 --> 00:58:40.309 Community Hall: Or construction management, is that right? 411 00:58:40.640 --> 00:58:44.270 Community Hall: Is that part of the purview of the Planning Commission, or it is not? 412 00:58:45.600 --> 00:59:06.650 Community Hall: So there are standard requirements for traffic management during construction that are outlined in our municipal code. The project is currently conditioned to follow those requirements. I don't believe that because it's not objective, you know, necessarily we would be able to require anything additional to that, but if the applicant is amenable to it, you may be able to discuss that. 413 00:59:06.650 --> 00:59:14.239 Community Hall: The project also is on a busy thoroughfare, I will say, which is different from other projects that may or may not be located further from 414 00:59:14.240 --> 00:59:15.139 Community Hall: Free rape. 415 00:59:15.140 --> 00:59:21.540 Community Hall: exits and busier streets, so… But with that said, if the applicant is amenable, that might be something that 416 00:59:21.610 --> 00:59:22.799 Community Hall: That the Commission could look at. 417 00:59:23.110 --> 00:59:27.530 Community Hall: Understood. Does staff have any sort of sense of how many 418 00:59:28.100 --> 00:59:33.770 Community Hall: kids bike to tessellations, and how much of a bike route that route is to schools. I know on the… 419 00:59:33.890 --> 00:59:41.600 Community Hall: construction management for the Linda Vista project, we had talked about prohibiting trucks prior to school start hours. Is that a concern for… 420 00:59:41.610 --> 00:59:54.110 Community Hall: desolations? Yeah, so that is… on the municipal code, those are, identified. You know, if you're within certain, schools and things like that, you cannot have construction traffic with… at certain hours of the day. 421 00:59:54.110 --> 01:00:10.560 Community Hall: And that's the standard that, you know, Public Works looks to and applies. And would that apply in this case? Is Tessellations within that distance? I can't tell you off the top of my head, but I think Tessellations is a little bit too far from this project. Tessellations is, located 422 01:00:10.900 --> 01:00:24.620 Community Hall: I want to say at least 3 quarters of a mile from the site, maybe more. So we don't think this has any traffic? No. Yeah, we should ask Commissioner Feng he would be intimately familiar with the neighborhood. Probably a mile and a half. It's more than a mile. Yeah. Okay. Thank you. 423 01:00:27.320 --> 01:00:29.499 Community Hall: Any other questions from the Commission? 424 01:00:29.830 --> 01:00:35.990 Community Hall: Okay, then we will close the public hearing, and we will move on to comments. Does any Commissioner have comments on this project? 425 01:00:36.200 --> 01:00:52.579 Community Hall: Yeah, I have a comment. So, all in all, I want to commend the, the, the project. I think it's well done. I think you guys thought through a lot of the objections ahead of time, and, you know, in terms of the privacy, and maintaining the trees, and… 426 01:00:52.590 --> 01:01:10.979 Community Hall: you know, the construction, all that, so… so I want to recognize you for that. And also, I think, this is a really good example if, you know, for young families, we need more young families in this city, so something that, you know, is affordable, a 3-bedroom for… 427 01:01:11.020 --> 01:01:17.029 Community Hall: $1.5 million in a, in a Monta Vista school area is… is… 428 01:01:17.130 --> 01:01:27.770 Community Hall: very attractive. So… so I think this is going to be a very popular project, and thank you for that. And also, I think the BMR units is going to be very, very valuable. So, thank you. 429 01:01:29.210 --> 01:01:33.890 Community Hall: Thank you. Any other comments, Commissioner Feng? Sure. I had a couple, 430 01:01:34.910 --> 01:01:46.599 Community Hall: Normally, normally at this point, I would say something about, you know, these rooftop decks are really going to be a problem. I think you've done a really good job here, minimizing the impact, having the feature with minimizing the impact. 431 01:01:47.770 --> 01:01:56.810 Community Hall: I, you know, with it, in particular with it, you know, the layout, not, not being directed over the, adjoining. 432 01:01:57.030 --> 01:02:03.000 Community Hall: Residential areas. I am a little surprised, 433 01:02:03.710 --> 01:02:16.059 Community Hall: I don't know if there was consideration of not having rooftop decks. Maybe that was required for you to be able to have, you know, some outdoor space, and it might have been better than balconies in terms of impact, but… 434 01:02:16.220 --> 01:02:26.909 Community Hall: you know, one of the things… one of the issues that's been raised here is that this does make you into a four-story home instead of a three-story home, I think without adding extra height. 435 01:02:27.010 --> 01:02:41.180 Community Hall: The other… the other impact that you get from having the rooftop deck is that you're… you're actually using quite a bit of, square footage for the stairs to get… get there. So that's something I would just, would say would be… 436 01:02:41.270 --> 01:02:46.630 Community Hall: A consideration, although I don't think there's any problem with the way that the layout was done. 437 01:02:46.680 --> 01:03:04.960 Community Hall: I think traffic actually is a little challenging. There's not so many units here that this is a huge flood of people, but the traffic is a little challenging. There's very little, space to turn around. If you were… many people would be heading north toward 85. It would be hard to do that using the South De Anza exit. 438 01:03:05.050 --> 01:03:11.259 Community Hall: Maybe they'd go to prospect. That's probably a little challenging, too. It's a pretty quick turn. 439 01:03:11.970 --> 01:03:18.970 Community Hall: So I would… one of the things I would say, I, you know, asked about the connection route, and of course, that's very dependent on… 440 01:03:19.320 --> 01:03:31.189 Community Hall: you know, who your neighbors are to the north, but that would definitely be something I think would be an improvement, probably, for both of the projects, even though you're the much smaller one of what's being considered there. 441 01:03:31.410 --> 01:03:37.410 Community Hall: There was a lot of, concern about compliance. I think 442 01:03:37.540 --> 01:03:47.510 Community Hall: since your current neighbor is the sheriff's Office, you're probably going to be a pretty good… pretty good neighbor, I suspect. Everybody knows where they are. Everybody knows where to complain. 443 01:03:47.700 --> 01:03:56.410 Community Hall: And then, I did want to speak a little to school impact. This actually… 444 01:03:56.760 --> 01:04:03.440 Community Hall: my neighborhood. This project is my neighborhood, and it's actually been reclassified to being a Limbra area. 445 01:04:03.590 --> 01:04:14.260 Community Hall: The people of Limbrook will appreciate that. They're very, very small, and it's difficult. It's been a challenge for FUHSD. 446 01:04:14.310 --> 01:04:24.139 Community Hall: to maintain schools at different sizes, so I think this slide should be a plus. Definitely, what you're offering will be the kind of place that families will be at. It's big enough. 447 01:04:24.190 --> 01:04:35.420 Community Hall: that, that people who have families will find it to be very desirable. And, you know, so I think that that's a plus for all the schools. I believe that that school would still attend Kennedy. 448 01:04:36.800 --> 01:04:53.939 Community Hall: and probably… probably have a choice between Blue Hills and Lincoln, for elementary. Blue Hills is another case where, you know, that school in Saratoga is very small, based on its natural attendance, so having an opportunity to have more people. 449 01:04:54.000 --> 01:05:04.229 Community Hall: will be fantastic. And of course, both school districts, both FUHSD and CUSD, are going to appreciate the, significant tax revenue that comes from, you know, having a new project there. 450 01:05:06.370 --> 01:05:22.410 Community Hall: And then I would… I would comment that, you know, at the time when, when my son was in school, this was Regnard and, Regnard and Monte Vista, and of course, you know, both those schools today are, under a lot of… well, of course, Ragnard is… Ragnard's, elementary is closed. 451 01:05:22.620 --> 01:05:27.029 Community Hall: You know, and the home for tessellations now. And Monta Vista is actually 452 01:05:27.190 --> 01:05:36.470 Community Hall: constantly challenging Lindbrook as a, how do we maintain, sufficient, population to, to be a viable… 453 01:05:36.660 --> 01:05:42.780 Community Hall: a viable school. So I think… I think that this kind of… this development, You know, 454 01:05:42.930 --> 01:05:47.019 Community Hall: It, it doesn't have some of the negatives of, of, 455 01:05:47.510 --> 01:06:05.110 Community Hall: you know, of a higher density project in the midst of single-family homes, you know, you solve a lot of the problems with traffic access. The concerns that have been raised here about, you know, is it going to be fire evacuation danger and things like that. These are all non-issues for this project, so I think it's… I think it's really great. 456 01:06:05.270 --> 01:06:16.270 Community Hall: Glad that, I'm glad to see it looks like a good project. And also, I was gonna say, from a notification process, I do drive by this, by this site every day. The, 457 01:06:16.580 --> 01:06:24.240 Community Hall: I'm just outside of the notice range, so I didn't know about the events you were having, but I do see the… I think the, 458 01:06:24.670 --> 01:06:32.140 Community Hall: The notice, the planning, you know, the, planning department notice was, was very prominent. 459 01:06:32.190 --> 01:06:48.639 Community Hall: very prominent, very noticeable, and I think it has been up for a while, so I think that's been a positive part. Of course, it would be hard for people not to see that side for anybody who lives in that area, you know, the affected area, so I think that's actually been really good. 460 01:06:49.070 --> 01:06:50.490 Community Hall: I think that's it for me. 461 01:06:51.560 --> 01:06:52.850 Community Hall: Thank you, Vice Chair. 462 01:06:53.330 --> 01:06:57.310 Community Hall: So, this may be going backwards a little bit, but… 463 01:06:57.970 --> 01:07:06.210 Community Hall: Is there solar on all these units? I thought that's a requirement under state law, but I don't see it in the rendering. There's solar, yes. 464 01:07:06.710 --> 01:07:19.439 Community Hall: So with the rooftop deck, where do you… where is the solar? Half of the building would have a rooftop deck, the other would have a pitched roof, and so it would have… It's the shaded part. It is the solar. It's the what? 465 01:07:19.440 --> 01:07:26.910 Community Hall: There's a shaded section on the top that's… the shaded part is solar, and the white part is… Oh, okay. Alright, very good, thank you. 466 01:07:28.480 --> 01:07:34.319 Community Hall: Yes, I did actually have more questions, and… Not ready till closing yet. 467 01:07:34.750 --> 01:07:37.379 Community Hall: The tree replacement plan… 468 01:07:37.810 --> 01:07:43.540 Community Hall: What is the tree trunk diameter? I think we have, like, 15 trees being replaced? 469 01:07:44.080 --> 01:07:46.090 Community Hall: Can we put up the tree replacement? 470 01:07:48.870 --> 01:07:59.100 Community Hall: If you give me a moment, I'd be happy to do that. And you're looking for the tree replacement chart that was provided in the staff report? Yeah, either the staff report or the resolution, either one. 471 01:07:59.360 --> 01:08:09.799 Community Hall: Okay, give me one moment for that, if you have any other questions. And these are protected trees, but not heritage trees, correct? Correct. Yes, these are development trees, so they're protected by that category. 472 01:08:11.580 --> 01:08:21.929 Community Hall: I guess the replacement plan depends on the diameter of the trunk size of remote trees, and that was not in… It's in the staff report. It's in the staff report, so maybe we can put that up. 473 01:08:30.620 --> 01:08:32.190 Community Hall: It's one of the downfalls. 474 01:08:33.250 --> 01:08:41.449 Community Hall: I think that they… it was in the staff report, it called for box trees. Yes, yes. There's a mix of them. All right. 475 01:08:42.040 --> 01:08:43.920 Community Hall: Thank you, video. 476 01:08:44.029 --> 01:08:47.169 Community Hall: And we'll get down to it in a second, there we go. 477 01:08:47.300 --> 01:08:50.090 Community Hall: So, you'll see here there's a mix of… 478 01:08:51.010 --> 01:09:00.749 Community Hall: how large the existing trees are, that's going to be in this column here. And then the requirements for each of those replacements is noted here, and then what the selected replacement 479 01:09:00.920 --> 01:09:08.460 Community Hall: Type is… is over here, again, with some of them selecting to do two 24-inch boxes, and others just one 36-inch box. 480 01:09:10.750 --> 01:09:17.090 Community Hall: And I'll also note that the applicant is proposing additional trees, not just those that are required for replacement. 481 01:09:19.550 --> 01:09:25.040 Community Hall: And so, I guess I'm confused. So, if you scroll down, the sum total of this is what? 482 01:09:25.460 --> 01:09:40.450 Community Hall: A total of 28 trees? So, either they plant 28, 24-inch box trees, or they could plant 13 36 into 24-inch box trees on the two extremes. Okay. So they… they have chosen 483 01:09:40.550 --> 01:09:41.779 Community Hall: to plant. 484 01:09:42.060 --> 01:09:47.910 Community Hall: A combination of 6 36-inch box trees and 16 24-inch box trees. 485 01:09:48.439 --> 01:09:55.140 Community Hall: Which is in the range for what they've actually, of what the code requires or allows. 486 01:09:58.250 --> 01:10:01.410 Community Hall: How does the code give you that flexibility to… 487 01:10:01.680 --> 01:10:18.719 Community Hall: Because for the replacements, if you look at column 4, essentially it says they could either plant 2 24-inch box trees or 136. So in some cases, they have picked two 24-inch box trees, and in other cases, they have picked 488 01:10:19.850 --> 01:10:23.360 Community Hall: The 36-inch box tree as a replacement. 489 01:10:27.320 --> 01:10:30.069 Community Hall: So, I feel the math works out right, and… Yes. 490 01:10:30.500 --> 01:10:35.670 Community Hall: They can come in under on the… On the trunk size. 491 01:10:36.450 --> 01:10:40.409 Community Hall: They're actually meeting the city's requirements. 492 01:10:44.130 --> 01:10:44.980 Community Hall: Okay. 493 01:10:47.030 --> 01:10:52.089 Community Hall: Yeah, it certainly feels like, on the surface, that looked lower, but okay, I understand. 494 01:10:52.710 --> 01:10:53.570 Community Hall: Thank you. 495 01:10:55.720 --> 01:11:07.969 Community Hall: All right, well, I will make my comments. So I wanted to thank both the applicant and staff. I think, you know, I listened back to the original public hearing on this project many years ago, and 496 01:11:08.760 --> 01:11:32.819 Community Hall: there was a lot of objection from the community, and I appreciate that the revision really does take the community's need for privacy and space into account, so I thank you for revising that, and also for keeping the original trees. I think that's something that doesn't happen very often in a lot of our projects, but the original trees really are superior to the new, young plantings, and 497 01:11:32.820 --> 01:11:43.370 Community Hall: will provide better privacy for the neighbors, so thank you for that. I also thank you to staff for providing the ESA. I think it helped give us a little bit more visibility into, 498 01:11:43.370 --> 01:12:08.299 Community Hall: you know, we did have concerns, just, or at least I did, looking into the gas station right next to this property, and it's in close proximity to other gas stations, so, helpful to get me more comfortable with where this project currently is at. And, you know, as the other commissioners said, I agree. I think I know personally a number of families that have been able to move into Cupertino because of townhome projects like this. 499 01:12:08.300 --> 01:12:16.779 Community Hall: So I can tell that this is a type of housing that there is demand for and that people find valuable, so I think it will be good for the community. 500 01:12:17.510 --> 01:12:24.409 Community Hall: Those are my comments. Any other comments from the Commission? Yes, I feel like we are going to closing comments, and I'm still with questions here. 501 01:12:24.710 --> 01:12:29.490 Community Hall: So, on the fire cord, If the building height is about 30 feet. 502 01:12:29.830 --> 01:12:34.600 Community Hall: The fire code requires a 26-foot-wide access role. 503 01:12:35.490 --> 01:12:36.599 Community Hall: Is that correct? 504 01:12:38.400 --> 01:12:51.960 Community Hall: We wouldn't be able to speak to that, but as we discussed earlier today, the fire department has reviewed the plans and has cleared them. They are the ones that are responsible for making those decisions related to the fire code. I would not want to speak for them. 505 01:12:52.890 --> 01:12:58.079 Community Hall: Okay, can you speak to what is the width of the road on this project? It's 22 feet? 506 01:12:58.300 --> 01:13:01.830 Community Hall: It is… I… Emmy, if you could pull it up. 507 01:13:05.440 --> 01:13:14.800 Community Hall: Right, so the, project, yes, the streets themselves are 22 feet wide paved. There are some driveway aprons in addition to that. 508 01:13:15.040 --> 01:13:20.490 Community Hall: On either side of that 22 feet. A paved street with. 509 01:13:20.980 --> 01:13:25.360 Community Hall: Because I know when we had the Linda Vista project, this was discussed at length. 510 01:13:25.730 --> 01:13:29.060 Community Hall: And we spent tens of minutes going into 511 01:13:30.200 --> 01:13:38.999 Community Hall: aerial fire. Right. If the fire department had found something, they would have commented on it, it would have been a condition of approval, and they have not. They've found it to be… 512 01:13:39.210 --> 01:13:42.130 Community Hall: Compliant with the code, and they've added their own conditions. 513 01:13:44.590 --> 01:13:45.410 Community Hall: Okay. 514 01:13:46.330 --> 01:13:49.330 Community Hall: So this is outside the purview of the Planning Commission, is what… 515 01:13:49.640 --> 01:13:52.430 Community Hall: But building and fire code, yes. Okay. 516 01:13:52.780 --> 01:13:58.440 Community Hall: Well, not so much building and fire, but whether we should require a 26-foot wide… Right. 517 01:13:58.750 --> 01:13:59.680 Community Hall: driveway. 518 01:13:59.900 --> 01:14:02.810 Community Hall: Would that be under the purview of the Planning Commission? 519 01:14:02.980 --> 01:14:12.540 Community Hall: That would be under the… if it was required, FHIRE would certainly require it, and we would make that as a condition of approval. So our code itself does not 520 01:14:13.120 --> 01:14:28.129 Community Hall: embed any assumptions on the width of the driveway? We only require a 24-foot backup for cars to back out safely, and in terms of if it did not involve any backing up, then we allow, I believe it's a 24-foot wide 521 01:14:28.310 --> 01:14:32.150 Community Hall: Driveway for… 22-foot-wide driveway for a two-car. 522 01:14:32.260 --> 01:14:34.019 Community Hall: Two cars to pass. 523 01:14:35.390 --> 01:14:38.049 Community Hall: And when you say backing up, you mean out of the garage, or… 524 01:14:38.480 --> 01:14:42.090 Community Hall: And that's not the case here? There are the driveway aprons. 525 01:14:42.880 --> 01:14:49.429 Community Hall: to the building… it's clear of buildings. So from face of garage to face of garage. Okay. And we believe we meet that requirement? Yes. 526 01:14:49.640 --> 01:14:50.400 Community Hall: Okay. 527 01:14:51.350 --> 01:15:00.060 Community Hall: And speaking of garages, how many parking spots are provided? I don't know if the staff presentation covered parking. 528 01:15:00.760 --> 01:15:09.260 Community Hall: There are two per residence, those are gonna be the garage spaces, and then there are additional guest spaces located on the property. I believe there are 7 of those, including one ADA space. 529 01:15:09.370 --> 01:15:11.740 Community Hall: 7 guest parking spots. Correct. 530 01:15:12.450 --> 01:15:20.059 Community Hall: And those will be open to all vehicles. It's not gonna further reduce down to 3, because 4 became EV parking. 531 01:15:20.660 --> 01:15:24.970 Community Hall: Not that we're aware of, not with residential projects. The 7 guest parking. 532 01:15:25.330 --> 01:15:27.579 Community Hall: And 2 parking per unit. 533 01:15:27.700 --> 01:15:29.260 Community Hall: How many of those are tandem? 534 01:15:30.680 --> 01:15:36.900 Community Hall: Let me go ahead and check that, but I believe it's about 4. Half of them are tandem one. 535 01:15:42.890 --> 01:15:51.059 Community Hall: 15. Sorry about that. About half of them. 15 are tandem? Yes. And did they need a waiver for the use of tandem? 536 01:15:51.620 --> 01:15:56.590 Community Hall: No, we only require one parking space per unit, so they're providing two. 537 01:15:56.870 --> 01:16:04.779 Community Hall: Okay, so no waivers were needed. I feel like we did something around a waiver on a previous project for Tandem, maybe I'm confused. 538 01:16:05.780 --> 01:16:08.650 Community Hall: We only require one per unit. 539 01:16:08.960 --> 01:16:09.710 Community Hall: Okay. 540 01:16:09.930 --> 01:16:11.870 Community Hall: Yeah, I will yield my time. Thank you. 541 01:16:13.440 --> 01:16:14.340 Community Hall: Vice Chair. 542 01:16:14.480 --> 01:16:18.540 Community Hall: Oh, so I appreciate Commissioner Rao bringing up the 26 feet. 543 01:16:19.220 --> 01:16:24.809 Community Hall: It's because the count… are we not subject to the county requirement for 26 feet for… 544 01:16:25.500 --> 01:16:29.200 Community Hall: width for buildings over 30 feet? I mean, how… 545 01:16:30.650 --> 01:16:46.859 Community Hall: How are they able to do this? It would not be a county requirement, it would be a requirement of the fire code, and with however the project is designed, the, they do meet that, and I do see that the applicant might have something to add to that. Oh, okay, great. 546 01:16:50.860 --> 01:16:56.809 Community Hall: group. So, the fire code requires when your building's above 30 feet… Can you speak into the mic, please? 547 01:16:56.940 --> 01:17:11.579 Community Hall: the fire code requires when your building's above 30 feet for aerial access, but you need it on one side of the building. If you notice our buildings, like the two next to Dianza, you get it from De Anza itself. The one next to Prospect, you get it on Prospect. 548 01:17:11.580 --> 01:17:28.569 Community Hall: the two internal buildings right next to where the short end of the building is, the road is wider… Sorry, can I pause you? Can you put up a view of the parcel so that we can follow you as you speak? Could you put up the civil side seat C3. It is being shared on the staff monitor video, if you could… yeah, there we go. 549 01:17:30.730 --> 01:17:35.739 Community Hall: Yes, so the Building 2 and Building 4, which are the ones right next to De Anza. 550 01:17:36.280 --> 01:17:42.970 Community Hall: Those are… the aerial access for fire is from De Anza itself, and fire is approved. De Anza is wider than 26 feet. 551 01:17:43.330 --> 01:17:53.000 Community Hall: The Building 5, which is the one down on Prospect, you're fighting it from Prospect, so the shot side of the building is within 50 to 20 feet, and Prospect is wider than 26 feet. 552 01:17:53.060 --> 01:17:57.899 Community Hall: The two buildings that are Building 3 and 1 internally, as you can see. 553 01:17:57.910 --> 01:18:14.870 Community Hall: the road going up to the north, which is connecting up, that part is 26 feet, and the building is 15 feet away from it, so you fight the fire from that side. And similarly with Building 3, as in that road is, if you noticed, and this was done carefully to save both the existing trees and also meet the fire axis. 554 01:18:14.870 --> 01:18:22.709 Community Hall: Next to Building 3, the road is widened up to 26 feet, and it narrows down to 2 feet as you go down to its prospect, where you don't need the fire access. 555 01:18:24.210 --> 01:18:31.059 Community Hall: So, I understand the staff cannot answer FHAR questions, but is the applicant able to answer FHAR-related questions? Did you… 556 01:18:31.190 --> 01:18:36.469 Community Hall: Have you completed fire review? Yeah, it's been part of the whole fire review application, and I'm like. 557 01:18:36.860 --> 01:18:42.170 Community Hall: And the fire review signed off on the… Aerial heparatus. 558 01:18:42.340 --> 01:18:43.160 Community Hall: Yes, ma'am. 559 01:18:47.650 --> 01:18:49.950 Community Hall: Any other questions or comments? Oh, I mean… 560 01:18:50.140 --> 01:19:00.190 Community Hall: If you did one really long building, but you could still reach the edge of the building 26… with a 26-foot road, that just seems… 561 01:19:00.420 --> 01:19:02.039 Community Hall: A little bit odd. 562 01:19:02.450 --> 01:19:08.710 Community Hall: that you can't get… you really can't get to the units, the inner units, but I guess… 563 01:19:09.360 --> 01:19:12.169 Community Hall: Code didn't take that into consideration. 564 01:19:16.020 --> 01:19:19.220 Community Hall: All right, do we have any other questions or comments from the Commission? 565 01:19:25.000 --> 01:19:27.800 Community Hall: Do we have a motion from the Commission? 566 01:19:28.460 --> 01:19:29.780 Community Hall: I'll make a motion. 567 01:19:30.880 --> 01:19:34.500 Community Hall: So… let me get back to the thing. 568 01:19:36.810 --> 01:19:52.729 Community Hall: I'll make a motion that the Planning Commission adopt the draft resolution recommending that the City Council find the project exempt from CEQA and make the required findings of known net loss, and approve the project, with the resolutions as listed by staff. 569 01:19:53.780 --> 01:19:54.740 Community Hall: A second. 570 01:19:55.600 --> 01:19:59.780 Community Hall: Would you be open to an amendment on this motion to… 571 01:19:59.950 --> 01:20:06.980 Community Hall: Allow for the applicant to consider… to have the applicant's arborist work 572 01:20:07.380 --> 01:20:09.740 Community Hall: To cover gaps in the trees. 573 01:20:11.630 --> 01:20:14.539 Community Hall: If I may, Chair, the gaps… 574 01:20:14.640 --> 01:20:28.179 Community Hall: are shown to be covered on the site plans, but to the extent that there may be further gaps, then yes, absolutely. Yes, because I did look at the site plan, and the gaps are currently covered by shrubs, which are not equivalent. 575 01:20:29.350 --> 01:20:33.149 Community Hall: Chair, if I may move a substitute motion, including your amendment? 576 01:20:33.430 --> 01:20:36.260 Community Hall: Do I have a second? I'll second that. Thank you. 577 01:20:39.330 --> 01:20:41.039 Community Hall: Any further amendments? 578 01:20:47.420 --> 01:20:49.190 Community Hall: Yeah, if none, we can vote. 579 01:20:49.840 --> 01:20:57.119 Community Hall: I'm sorry, what was your substitute motion? Basically, including your amendment to the original motion. 580 01:20:57.410 --> 01:21:02.009 Community Hall: Which is for the arborist recommendation to cover gaps in trees. 581 01:21:02.310 --> 01:21:05.529 Community Hall: Which was reported by residents in the neighborhood. Okay. 582 01:21:06.010 --> 01:21:08.199 Community Hall: City Clerk, may we please have a vote? 583 01:21:25.680 --> 01:21:27.630 Community Hall: The motion carries unanimously. 584 01:21:28.380 --> 01:21:37.469 Community Hall: Great, thank you very much, City Clerk. And we will now move on to… we have no old business or new business. Do we have any staff and commission reports? 585 01:21:38.760 --> 01:21:53.410 Community Hall: I do not have a report, I just wanted to, and this kind of leads into upcoming agenda items. The health and safety element will be coming to the Planning Commission for a hearing on the 22nd, just… but aside from that, I do not have a staff report. 586 01:21:54.030 --> 01:21:55.919 Community Hall: Thank you. Any Commission reports? 587 01:21:57.960 --> 01:21:58.890 Community Hall: a reading. 588 01:21:59.240 --> 01:22:14.970 Community Hall: Seeing as there are no Commission reports, we will move to future agenda setting. Do we have any items for proposal? Yes, I was going to ask the city attorney the question I asked earlier, which is the agenda item proposed by the member of the public who has patiently waited till the end. 589 01:22:15.300 --> 01:22:20.900 Community Hall: Are we allowed to propose a future agenda item for a study session on a 590 01:22:21.480 --> 01:22:24.550 Community Hall: Political sign ban ordinance. 591 01:22:32.180 --> 01:22:37.529 Community Hall: So, Commissioner Rao, this is the portion of the agenda where commissioners are, 592 01:22:37.730 --> 01:22:45.080 Community Hall: free to present suggestions for an item for the future, as long as there's a second. Okay, so I'm gonna then… 593 01:22:45.270 --> 01:22:48.930 Community Hall: Propose a future agenda item for a study session. 594 01:22:49.350 --> 01:22:56.399 Community Hall: On a political side, ban ordinance. Do I have a second? 595 01:23:00.090 --> 01:23:02.650 Community Hall: Sure, I'll second it. Thank you, Weisschair. 596 01:23:04.230 --> 01:23:08.470 Community Hall: Any other agenda items? Or, sorry, was there… Commissioner Feng? Did you have a comment? 597 01:23:10.130 --> 01:23:12.259 Community Hall: Is there any issue about conflict? 598 01:23:12.750 --> 01:23:14.609 Community Hall: On an item of that nature. 599 01:23:19.050 --> 01:23:25.929 Community Hall: The question was whether there was an issue of a conflict, an item of agendizing… considering agendizing an item of that nature. 600 01:23:26.410 --> 01:23:27.510 Community Hall: With this group. 601 01:23:29.050 --> 01:23:34.630 Community Hall: And I think, Commissioner, following that question, is directed at the fact that Commissioner Rao is currently 602 01:23:34.770 --> 01:23:41.380 Community Hall: a candidate. I don't believe he has a financial interest in, in, 603 01:23:41.520 --> 01:23:51.130 Community Hall: in, this feature agenda item, is a feature agenda item that's applicable, I mean, to all future candidates, so… 604 01:23:51.500 --> 01:23:56.179 Community Hall: Having said that, you know, we're on the sectional agenda where a candidate can make that 605 01:23:57.420 --> 01:24:00.510 Community Hall: Request to place an agenda. 606 01:24:00.870 --> 01:24:02.300 Community Hall: So I think it's okay. 607 01:24:03.560 --> 01:24:04.390 Community Hall: Okay. 608 01:24:05.970 --> 01:24:12.460 Community Hall: All right, any other comments or agenda items? As there are none, then we will adjourn the meeting.