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Seema Lindskog, Commissioner: Hey, where are you?
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Santosh Rao, Commissioner: Good. I think we're live.
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Seema Lindskog, Commissioner: Where are you?
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Seema Lindskog, Commissioner: Where are you traveling to?
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Santosh Rao, Commissioner: I'm in Houston.
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Seema Lindskog, Commissioner: Huh.
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Seema Lindskog, Commissioner: Business trip?
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Santosh Rao, Commissioner: Yep, yep.
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Santosh Rao, Commissioner: I think we may be live, so…
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Seema Lindskog, Commissioner: Oh, whoops.
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Community Hall: City Clerk, may we please have a roll call.
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Speaker 5 (Community Hall): Commissioner Feng? Present.
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Speaker 5 (Community Hall): Commissioner Linskog?
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Seema Lindskog, Commissioner: Here.
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Speaker 5 (Community Hall): Commissioner Rao?
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Santosh Rao, Commissioner: Cure.
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Speaker 5 (Community Hall): Vice Chair Scharf? Present.
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Speaker 5 (Community Hall): Chair Kasolstran? Present.
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Speaker 5 (Community Hall): Excellent, thank you. So, we will move
forward to the approval of the minutes.
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Speaker 6 (Community Hall): If we may have a motion to approve the…
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Community Hall: Motion to approve the minutes.
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Community Hall: I'll second that.
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Community Hall: Excellent, thank you.
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Community Hall: What's up?
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Community Hall: Boot.
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Speaker 5 (Community Hall): Commissioner Feng?
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Speaker 5 (Community Hall): Oh, yes.
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Speaker 5 (Community Hall): Commissioner Linskog?
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Seema Lindskog, Commissioner: Yes.
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Speaker 5 (Community Hall): Commissioner Rao?
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Santosh Rao, Commissioner: Yes.
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Speaker 5 (Community Hall): Vice Chair Scharf? Aye.
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Speaker 5 (Community Hall): Chair Casolshron? Yes. The motion carries
unanimously.
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Speaker 5 (Community Hall): Thank you very much.
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Speaker 6 (Community Hall): I assume we have no postponements for the
day.
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Speaker 6 (Community Hall): City Clerk, do we have any oral
communications?
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Speaker 5 (Community Hall): We have no speakers, Chair.
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Speaker 5 (Community Hall): Great!
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Speaker 6 (Community Hall): So, we will move on to staff and commission
reports, and this item is to report from the Community Noticing
Subcommittee on Community Noticing Practices from Other Local Cities. So,
I will now share my screen.
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Community Hall: Okay…
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Speaker 6 (Community Hall): Okay, can everyone see my… Screen.
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Seema Lindskog, Commissioner: Yes.
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Speaker 6 (Community Hall): Okay, excellent. Thank you.
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Speaker 6 (Community Hall): Great, so before I begin, I first wanted to
thank staff for partnering with us to put out this subcommittee report. I
know that this is the first time, at least in recent history, that we
have had a subcommittee that would
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Speaker 6 (Community Hall): present a report, potentially driving a
recommendation back to City Council. So, I appreciate your partnership on
figuring out a process to… to do this properly. So, with that…
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Speaker 6 (Community Hall): Just moving into the background on the
Community Noticing Subcommittee, this was actually approved about half a
year ago, on October 14th, 2025, during that Planning Commission meeting,
and the objective was really just to report on best practices on
community noticing from other Bay Area cities.
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Speaker 6 (Community Hall): So this is a temporary ad hoc committee with
limited jurisdiction and scope, and it really is intended to provide a
report back to the full Commission for discussion and possible
recommendation to the City Council, depending on what the Commission
chooses.
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Speaker 6 (Community Hall): So the subcommittee consisted of myself and
Vice Chair Scharf. We have met four times to align on the work, discuss
findings, and finalize a report back to the Planning Commission.
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Speaker 6 (Community Hall): And the goal of this really was based on
community feedback to address resident and business feedback that we
consistently hear people just don't know about development projects near
them until it's too late.
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Speaker 6 (Community Hall): And many residents also report that they were
unaware of major zoning changes, and this is especially the case for the
parcel list for the sixth cycle housing element. So, you know, our
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Speaker 6 (Community Hall): Our goal here, really, is just to identify
any opportunities where possible to improve Cupertino community noticing
methods and policies for businesses and residents.
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Speaker 6 (Community Hall): So, we started with a quick audit of where we
are today with the City of Cupertino. So, this is the website where all
of the development proposals are listed, and the public hearings can be
found within each development project.
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Speaker 6 (Community Hall): We also are, you know, adhering to physical
notices of public hearing at the site of the development, as well as,
emails that… for anyone that is subscribed. And I did not have a photo,
but of course, we are also sending physical mail to residents within the
noticing radius.
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Speaker 6 (Community Hall): So, Cupertino is quite similar, by and large,
to most neighboring cities, who are all kind of just following California
government code, which is to send a mail notification within a 300-foot
radius of major development.
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Speaker 6 (Community Hall): have signage at least 10 days prior to the
public hearing, publish a notice within a newspaper, and also provide the
option to sign up for email notifications. Some cities, we have seen, are
also
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Speaker 6 (Community Hall): Exploring expanding the noticing radius for
very large projects to, you know, 1,000 feet or more.
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Speaker 6 (Community Hall): And so this chart, you know, again, we…
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Speaker 6 (Community Hall): most… for the most part, cities are very
similar in the way that they are noticing, and the one difference that we
saw was really in the notice radius for mail. So you can see that
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Speaker 6 (Community Hall): many cities, from a municipal code
standpoint, have codified the standard 300 feet as their noticing radius.
And then there are some other cities you can see to the right of the
graph, Los Altos and Saratoga have codified a larger noticing radius at
500 feet.
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Speaker 6 (Community Hall): Palo Alto's at 600 feet, and Mountain View
has codified a 750-foot noticing radius. And…
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Speaker 6 (Community Hall): the one caveat with this is that this is what
is written in the municipal code, and some of these cities may be going
above and beyond what is written in their code. You know, we've called
out Cupertino here. While we
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Speaker 6 (Community Hall): have codified a 300-foot noticing radius in
many cases, you know, based on conversation, and staff can talk more
about this later, we are already noticing up to 1,000 feet or more for
larger projects. So we would actually be off this chart if we were
looking at unofficial and noticing radiuses.
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Speaker 6 (Community Hall): But…
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Speaker 6 (Community Hall): you know, again, this is sort of what is
officially listed. And then City of Santa Clara is also contemplating a
quarter-mile radius for larger projects, so some of these may change in
the future.
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Speaker 6 (Community Hall): So, you know, one question I had when I was
looking at this is, what is it like to have a 750-foot noticing radius?
And, you know, I did… I was able to speak briefly with a planner in the
Mountain View.
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Speaker 6 (Community Hall): Planning Department that specifically
mentioned they did see fewer complaints from residents and businesses
when they expanded to a 750-foot noticing radius.
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Speaker 6 (Community Hall): And the main caveat, really, is just that
there's an increased cost if one was to choose to expand the noticing
radius that far. That said, you know, our city staff is… has already, you
know, taken note of the community feedback and unofficially expanded the
noticing radius for many of our projects recently. Like, Evilich, I
believe, was over a thousand feet.
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Speaker 6 (Community Hall): So, you know, in some ways, any change to our
noticing radius would technically not actually impact costs in the sense
that staff is already increasing it where they feel is necessary.
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Speaker 6 (Community Hall): So, aside from noticing RADIUS, there were
only a few other differences that we were able to find with other cities,
and a lot of these were with digital channels, so City of San Jose and
some other cities are using social media to push out notices around
community meetings.
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Speaker 6 (Community Hall): The one thing to note here, based on
conversations with staff, is that, you know, we… we… City of Cupertino is
not really
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Speaker 6 (Community Hall): promoting community meetings, because they
would count towards one out of the five required meetings for SB330
projects. So, you know, this is not exactly…
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Speaker 6 (Community Hall): something that we might do in City of
Cupertino, but, you know, I did wanted to at least show this example for
the sake of the Commission, knowing what other cities are doing. So,
again, this is City of San Jose, publishing community meetings.
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Speaker 6 (Community Hall): On their Nextdoor and Facebook channels.
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Speaker 6 (Community Hall): And then City of Sunnyvale. So another…
another area where cities are using digital more is just creating one
common webpage of all public hearings that are happening. So City of
Sunnyvale has a PDF of all public hearings that's just regularly updated.
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Speaker 6 (Community Hall): oops, went the wrong way. And then Redwood
City has one website for all of its upcoming public notices as well.
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Speaker 6 (Community Hall): So, you know, that brings us to our final
recommendations, and Vice Chair, please feel free to chime in when you
see fit. But, you know, our recommendations kind of came into three main
categories, and again, the Commission is welcome to discuss this, and
staff is also
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Speaker 6 (Community Hall): of course, more than welcome to weigh in as a
major stakeholder in this process. So the first is around noticing
radius. So our recommendation is, you know, since we have seen larger
projects draw so much concern from the community, and staff has already
started to increase the noticing radius unofficially for larger projects.
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Speaker 6 (Community Hall): Why not, potify that increase, in noticing
radius?
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Speaker 6 (Community Hall): And, you know, it could be discussed as to
what exactly is defined as a larger project. Is it based on the acreage
or the number of units?
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Speaker 6 (Community Hall): But that's one thought there. We would want
to consider increasing the noticing radius for zoning changes. We have
received a lot of community feedback around that, and for any upcoming
zoning changes that we make, we may want to consider notifying more
residents.
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Speaker 6 (Community Hall): very high fire hazard zone projects. We have,
you know, seen directly that residents feel very impacted by these
projects, even when they are well out of the 300 feet radius, and so we
would recommend increasing that noticing radius as well.
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Speaker 6 (Community Hall): And then, finally, this is, I think, based
off of…
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Speaker 6 (Community Hall): changes that we saw happening to De Anza a
few years ago, but proposals for changes to major streets, including any
emergency lane reduction, we may want to consider having a larger
noticing radius for projects like that as well.
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Speaker 6 (Community Hall): on…
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Speaker 6 (Community Hall): The next recommendation is around noticing
language, and so I will caveat here that this is not really based off of
what we have seen from other cities, but based off of our own community
feedback, because I have looked at
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Speaker 6 (Community Hall): mailers from other cities, and they are quite
boilerplate, by and large. They're just stating, you know, the project,
and
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Speaker 6 (Community Hall): you know, some basic details about the public
hearing. And so this is just our, you know, own feedback as a
subcommittee about
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Speaker 6 (Community Hall): opportunities where we think it could be a
little better. So the first is around zoning language. We have received a
lot of feedback that the zoning notices only include the parcel number
and not the address, so we think there might be an opportunity here to
just clarify and include the address.
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Speaker 6 (Community Hall): For housing projects, we continue to…
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Speaker 6 (Community Hall): have a lot of large developments. Every time
they are in different areas to different sectors of the community that
are all new to the latest housing laws, and they continue to raise very
similar concerns, so we wonder if there's an opportunity to use the
mailers for housing projects as
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Speaker 6 (Community Hall): More of an educational opportunity to explain
relevant housing laws, how the city must abide by them, and maybe
disclose any requested waivers from the developer.
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Speaker 6 (Community Hall): And then the final recommendation is just to
increase channels of outreach where possible. There's, you know,
obviously you can use social, we could create one shared web page for all
upcoming hearings, or consider just additional signage through bulletins
at places like the library. And Vice Chair, did you have any other
comments to provide?
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Speaker 6 (Community Hall): Just… it's a few years in the future.
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Speaker 7 (Community Hall): I think one of the failures we had was during
our… Housing element parcel selection.
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Speaker 7 (Community Hall): I don't think there was noticing to all the
affected areas. You know, I'm thinking specifically of Evilich.
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Speaker 7 (Community Hall): Where at least the residents did say they had
no idea.
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Speaker 7 (Community Hall): That that property was in the housing element
for, at the time.
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Speaker 7 (Community Hall): From Planning Commission was 30 units per
acre, then I ended up at 20.
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Speaker 7 (Community Hall): So I'm just thinking, when it's time for the
seventh cycle housing element, we need to be very…
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Speaker 7 (Community Hall): Aware of the need for noticing of
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Speaker 7 (Community Hall): Probably the whole city since,
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Speaker 7 (Community Hall): Probably there will be parcels everywhere in
the city in that element.
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Speaker 7 (Community Hall): Thank you.
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Speaker 6 (Community Hall): Great, thank you. So, that concludes my
report, and I believe, staff, if you have any comments, now would be the
time.
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Speaker 1 (Community Hall): Thank you, Chair Crystall Chiron.
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Speaker 1 (Community Hall): I think you did incorporate what we did
articulate earlier, which was that we do increase the radius,
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Speaker 8 (Community Hall): for larger projects, and that indicate… when
it becomes clear to us that there is certainly community interest in
those projects, we do evaluate how to increase that radius and what's
most appropriate. Aside from that, I do not have any other comments.
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Speaker 6 (Community Hall): Okay, great, thank you. And again, you know,
we… we want this to be a collaborative process, so if throughout this
discussion you think of anything, please feel free to bring it up. It
looks like, Vice Chair, you have a…
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Speaker 7 (Community Hall): No, I just wondered, is there an issue with
codifying the larger radius? Is there a downside to doing that?
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Speaker 8 (Community Hall): I, I think it depends on, staffing levels,
how much time it takes. Postage just keeps going up. These are costs that
are passed on to applicants as well. So it's not necessarily,
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Speaker 8 (Community Hall): there's a downside, necessarily, to codifying
it, but there's also, we do need to do our own analysis of, you know,
what other cities do, and how we would put in our recommendations. This
is the subcommittee's recommendations that are being discussed right now.
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Speaker 7 (Community Hall): Okay, and one other question.
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Speaker 7 (Community Hall): The general circulation newspaper. What
newspaper is that?
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Speaker 8 (Community Hall): There are generally two. It depends on, so a
lot of times, noticing deadlines are, related to the, the newspaper that
is, of general circulation. Here in Cupertino, it is the Cupertino
Courier. It could also be the Mercury News. The, the…
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Speaker 8 (Community Hall): pricing difference between the two is
phenomenal. It is about a three times higher cost of advertising in the
Mercury News. And so… but aside from that,
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Speaker 8 (Community Hall): Because of how deadlines work, particularly
with new state laws, we just have to pick whatever is best appropriate
for that particular meeting.
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Speaker 7 (Community Hall): So, what constitutes general circulation? I
have not…
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Speaker 7 (Community Hall): Had a Cupertino courier delivered to my house
in years.
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Speaker 8 (Community Hall): I will have to check in with the clerk's
office, but that is what we're told, that those are the two that qualify.
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Speaker 8 (Community Hall): Okay, thanks.
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Speaker 6 (Community Hall): Great, so, we will now officially bring this
back to the Commission for questions. It looks like we have hands raised
on Zoom, and I don't know in which order, so I guess I'll just call,
Commissioner Rao?
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Santosh Rao, Commissioner: Yes, thank you, Chair. I think that was a good
presentation. I'm glad we… we were able to form the subcommittee. I
believe,
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Santosh Rao, Commissioner: It was formed last year, and that took,
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Santosh Rao, Commissioner: a fair amount of iterations, so glad to see
this come to fruition. I think my first question to staff
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Santosh Rao, Commissioner: Is… of, what is the… Procedural…
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Santosh Rao, Commissioner: handling of this. Are there going to be public
comments that are possible on this item? I don't know if we even have any
public comments, but will we have public comments?
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Santosh Rao, Commissioner: How is this item to be…
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Santosh Rao, Commissioner: handled, given that this was put in reports
rather than as a study session. And maybe the question is, why was this
not a study session?
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Speaker 8 (Community Hall): This is a report from the subcommittee, and
so it is not a study session, because it was not part of the city's work
program or any items that city staff is working on at this point. So, it
was meant to be a report out from the subcommittee, and then, based on
discussion
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Speaker 8 (Community Hall): there could be a recommendation to City
Council for direction, future, to staff.
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Speaker 8 (Community Hall): At this point, there isn't a project that is
being worked on.
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Santosh Rao, Commissioner: Okay, my understanding is from the other
subcommittees that have done readouts, they have had the ability to do
study sessions on them. Just trying to understand, is there technically
any difference between the item being a study session versus a commission
readout? Is there any difference procedurally? And maybe that's a
question for Atomibu.
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Speaker 8 (Community Hall): And Commissioner Rao, I don't believe there's
any practical difference between the two. I mean, you can have a full
discussion here.
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Speaker 8 (Community Hall): And I hope you guys do.
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Santosh Rao, Commissioner: Okay, great. So my next question, then, is
for…
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Santosh Rao, Commissioner: Maybe 4 at NIBU and staff.
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Santosh Rao, Commissioner: Are we… accounting for, I believe there was a
state law, 2904, AB2904 that was passed.
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Santosh Rao, Commissioner: That mandates that there be a 20-day noticing
period anytime there is a change of land use.
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Santosh Rao, Commissioner: Specifically in the Planning Commission.
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Santosh Rao, Commissioner: Are we accounting for 2904, and do we do a 20-
day noticing today?
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Speaker 8 (Community Hall): Yes, we comply with all elements of state
law.
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Santosh Rao, Commissioner: Okay, but are we doing a 20-day noticing?
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Speaker 8 (Community Hall): 20-day noticing for zoning applications, yes.
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Santosh Rao, Commissioner: Not just zoning, but any change of zoning.
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Santosh Rao, Commissioner: So, under what conditions do we do a 20-day?
For example, if we change from R1 to R3, as in the case with Avalich and
others, would that be a 20-day
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Santosh Rao, Commissioner: Notice period.
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Speaker 8 (Community Hall): That is correct.
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Santosh Rao, Commissioner: And if we did a change of zoning from
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Santosh Rao, Commissioner: public right-of-way to R3, is that a 20-day
notice period?
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Speaker 8 (Community Hall): Any application for a rezoning would be a 20-
day notice period under state law.
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Santosh Rao, Commissioner: Okay, and is that something that we have been
following? For example, with the Mary Avenue Villa's change of use
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Santosh Rao, Commissioner: Did we… Did we perform a 20-day noticing?
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Speaker 8 (Community Hall): Mary Avenue was rezoned with the housing
element, so there was no additional…
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Speaker 8 (Community Hall): zoning application with the project, and I
think it may have predated it'd be 29… 2904.
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Santosh Rao, Commissioner: I see, okay. And so then, my other follow-up
question, just Moving to…
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Santosh Rao, Commissioner: another area here is… I know we're talking
about
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Santosh Rao, Commissioner: Social media and so on, but one… Very
effective, but low-tech method.
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Santosh Rao, Commissioner: is the banner that is put up on Stevens Creek.
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Santosh Rao, Commissioner: And I know the banner is used by the
Transportation Department. For example, on ATP, we've seen the banner. I
think maybe Vision Zero, we saw the banner as well. So, I would like to…
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Santosh Rao, Commissioner: put forward for the Commission's inclusion,
Maybe we can stir…
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Santosh Rao, Commissioner: the banner, I don't know if it was in your
slides here, and maybe it is somewhere.
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Santosh Rao, Commissioner: But the banner is a low-tech, but very
effective method to get people that generally tend to criss-cross Stevens
Creek.
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Santosh Rao, Commissioner: And with that, I will lead the… Thank you.
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Speaker 6 (Community Hall): Thank you, Commissioner Rao, and to answer
your question, no, I had not thought of the banner, but it is a good
idea. So we can consider that in any potential recommendation.
Commissioner Linskog?
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Seema Lindskog, Commissioner: Hi there, yeah, no, this is a… this is a
really good topic to be discussing, because as you've… as you've pointed
out, we… we get this feedback a lot.
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Seema Lindskog, Commissioner: So thank you for doing this. This is very
helpful. And, I just had a question about the clarifying the noticing
language, and you said, you know, disclose any requested waivers and
texts explaining relevant housing laws.
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Seema Lindskog, Commissioner: have you, like, what has been the staff
feedback on that? Because I'm just wondering how we would do that at a
practical level, because, like, some of the applications we see have
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Seema Lindskog, Commissioner: you know, dozens of waivers, and it gets…
it gets pretty nitty-gritty into state law. So, can you… can you clarify
a little bit, like, how you're thinking about
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Seema Lindskog, Commissioner: How that would get applied?
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Community Hall: Okay.
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Speaker 6 (Community Hall): Yes, it's an excellent question, and that was
a last-minute ad for me, so I did not actually get staff feedback on
this, so,
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Speaker 6 (Community Hall): Actually, would love to hear any feedback you
might have on, you know, what room is there to add additional detail on
the mailer.
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Speaker 8 (Community Hall): I don't have anything to add at this point of
time.
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Speaker 8 (Community Hall): I could just add, I think… I think it's a
good idea.
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Speaker 3 (Community Hall): But it's hard to think how you implement that
with…
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Speaker 3 (Community Hall): First, you're going to be putting down laws
people are very likely not familiar with, so.
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Speaker 9 (Community Hall): you're almost having to explain if, say, it's
density bonus. I mean…
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Speaker 9 (Community Hall): To a lot of people, that probably doesn't
mean a lot.
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Speaker 9 (Community Hall): And then…
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Speaker 9 (Community Hall): I think, as Commissioner Linskogg pointed
out, most of the projects we've seen have between a half dozen to a dozen
waivers.
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Speaker 9 (Community Hall): So you're then explaining it doesn't meet
height, setbacks, parking, open space requirements, etc.
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Speaker 9 (Community Hall): I think that would be tough to incorporate on
a notice without making it something like a mini staff report.
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Speaker 9 (Community Hall): But the intention, I understand, because it
then…
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Speaker 9 (Community Hall): what's either the Planning Commission or the
City Council, at least people who are showing up understand the
limitations you have.
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Speaker 9 (Community Hall): to deny or not approve or modify the project,
but I think it's just difficult to handle that through noticing without
it getting overly wordy.
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Speaker 9 (Community Hall): Okay, thank you.
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Speaker 9 (Community Hall): Of a share. So…
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Speaker 7 (Community Hall): It is wordy.
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Speaker 7 (Community Hall): And I think the notice would just have to
include a link to… An explanation of each law.
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Speaker 7 (Community Hall): I mean, I think we really…
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Speaker 7 (Community Hall): you know, people show up, they're very well-
meaning, we're all policy wonks up here, and we understand all… well, we
don't really understand all the laws, but we do our best.
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Speaker 7 (Community Hall): And I think for many of our residents who are
all pretty well educated, it would be useful for them to have a link
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Speaker 7 (Community Hall): They can go to to understand why…
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Speaker 7 (Community Hall): Many of the things that we're doing, we
really have no choice due to state law.
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Speaker 7 (Community Hall): And it might even…
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Speaker 7 (Community Hall): Might even shorten some of the meetings and
reduce the number of public comments if they did understand exactly why
we're so limited into what we can do.
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Speaker 6 (Community Hall): Any other questions from the Commission?
Commissioner Fung?
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Speaker 3 (Community Hall): Yeah, sure. I was wondering,
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Speaker 3 (Community Hall): With regard to the, noticing on on.
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Speaker 10 (Community Hall): You know, when we have a housing element, or
when we're doing, You know, general plan.
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Speaker 10 (Community Hall): I'm just curious if you can recap what the
normal noticing would be. You know, there was some… there was some
discussion here in this report about
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Speaker 10 (Community Hall): You know, doing something special.
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Speaker 9 (Community Hall): Yeah, I think for the last housing element,
because there were so many sites, there were 58, and then if you took the
radius around each one of those sites, you ended up having, I think it
was over 2,000. It was well into that, so…
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Speaker 9 (Community Hall): And the limit under state law was 1,000 or
more, you then can publish in a newspaper. You do not do a mailing.
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Speaker 9 (Community Hall): And so we complied with the law, though that
said, I do understand people who then say, I wish I knew about that
particular site that's a block away from my house.
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Speaker 9 (Community Hall): That's logical.
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Speaker 9 (Community Hall): the other reason we're not doing that at the
time is there's no project on the site. If there is an individual
project, they then are notified, but I understand the issue is I wish I
knew before the land use designation changed, so…
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Speaker 9 (Community Hall): That's something I think everybody has heard.
It would be something we… if that were the desire to go well beyond state
law and say once we have settled on those housing sites.
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Speaker 9 (Community Hall): I think Commissioner Scharf said it, it
almost has to be citywide, or it would be close to it, because you're
having a large affected area, assuming you have
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Speaker 9 (Community Hall): 30, 40, 50 sites again, and they're dispersed
throughout the city.
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Speaker 9 (Community Hall): You would have to do a mass mailing.
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Speaker 9 (Community Hall): And…
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Speaker 9 (Community Hall): Maybe in that instance, you could even do
something like target sites within a particular area of the city.
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Speaker 9 (Community Hall): So if you live…
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Speaker 9 (Community Hall): On the eastern edge, you may not care so much
about something happening on the western side, but…
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Speaker 9 (Community Hall): I think the message we got out of the housing
element is we do need to do something more personalized that people
receive at their home.
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Speaker 9 (Community Hall): Rather than just publishing in a newspaper.
Probably, too, because fewer people are even reading newspapers these
days.
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Speaker 10 (Community Hall): Good, thanks. Now, I… you know, I think at
the time, certainly with the general plan effort, it seemed like there
was kind of sitting-white notice, there were a lot of… there were
hearings being held. Maybe the question was really around the specificity
when you're considering
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Speaker 10 (Community Hall): rezoning efforts, you know, to identify
housing sites. You know, that… that would probably be the time. I think
that… that seems to me that would be the time when… when,
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Speaker 10 (Community Hall): when there would have been, you know,
people… if I take advantage… take an example of the one on McClellan, for
instance, you know, I think, there was, you know, there was a change in
the density there, you know, both up and down.
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Speaker 10 (Community Hall): You know, through that fairly long process.
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Speaker 10 (Community Hall): No, no, no additional question there.
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Speaker 10 (Community Hall): And then I guess maybe, maybe one other
question. You know, another thing that I think is a challenge here is
that the…
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Speaker 10 (Community Hall): You know, both… Both when the project
actually comes, and when sites are being considered, that the…
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Speaker 10 (Community Hall): the mandatory…
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Speaker 10 (Community Hall): notice time, you know, would be, you know,
for a meeting here in the Planning Commission, is really only, you know,
a couple days. Difficult for people to review, a huge, huge, huge
document, in that time. So I don't know there's anything you can do about
that. I mean.
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Speaker 10 (Community Hall): the, problem is, it would be nice if there
were something that happened maybe farther in advance to say these things
were being considered before the… they were in final form, you know,
before the final presentation, but at the same time, I think we all
recognize that, projects change when we cancel meetings because the,
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Speaker 10 (Community Hall): the proposal changed at the very last
moment. So, I'm not sure if there's any alternative to that, but I would
just… I would just say as a comment.
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Speaker 10 (Community Hall): that that actually is one of the things
that's challenging, you know, if there's going to be a Planning
Commission meeting on something significant on Tuesday, you know,
typically you wouldn't have a chance to even know what it was until
Thursday, the Thursday before, which is not much time.
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Speaker 6 (Community Hall): Great. Thank you, Commissioner Fung.
Commissioner Linskogg, any questions?
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Seema Lindskog, Commissioner: Yes, thank you. I want to actually kind of
build on what Commissioner Fung said, because I think a lot of the
feedback that we heard was, that they didn't… that, residents didn't hear
about proposed zoning changes, discussions in the Planning Commission and
Council.
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Seema Lindskog, Commissioner: as the housing element was being debated,
so… so the noticing period, I mean, which is… it's great, but it's… it's
a… it's after the fact, right? It's like, after the Planning Commission
has… has recommended a site to be upzoned or downzoned or whatever, or
after the Council has decided to change the zoning.
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Seema Lindskog, Commissioner: It would be great if we… and I don't know,
so the question is, did you guys discuss
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Seema Lindskog, Commissioner: Doing greater noticing of Planning
Commission meetings or council meetings where zoning changes are being
considered.
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Speaker 8 (Community Hall): So, I, I…
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Speaker 8 (Community Hall): Commissioner Linsky, I didn't want to add, I
mean, specifically for the housing element or bigger projects, we
actually go out, not just do the notices in the newspaper, but we also do
e-notices, which is for persons that have signed up for those notices,
and
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Speaker 8 (Community Hall): we had well over, I want to say 2,000, or
2,200, or some number of people that had signed up to receive notices,
and those notices were routinely sent out throughout the process, to
address every meeting, every rezoning action, through the entire project.
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Speaker 8 (Community Hall): I did want to add that.
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Seema Lindskog, Commissioner: No, I'm… I know, I know you guys… you guys
did a terrific job, but, you know, clearly.
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Seema Lindskog, Commissioner: there's still a lot of residents who didn't
hear about it, right? So, we have the 2,000 residents who are very, very
involved.
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Seema Lindskog, Commissioner: But that still leaves, you know, tens of
thousands of residents who are not, and for whom this was a complete
surprise when Evelych Court was upzoned, or, you know, or all the
McClellan Road properties were added to the housing element. So…
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Seema Lindskog, Commissioner: So I guess that's my question, is like, is
there, when you were doing the subcommittee discussion, did you take a
look at
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Seema Lindskog, Commissioner: Is there a way to, augment the current
communication for, for those kinds of meetings where we are discussing,
zoning, changes in… around the city?
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Speaker 6 (Community Hall): Sorry, was that a question for me or for
staff?
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Seema Lindskog, Commissioner: No, for subcommittee.
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Speaker 6 (Community Hall): Okay. We…
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Speaker 6 (Community Hall): did not go as specific… as case-specific
into, housing element versus, just regular zoning, but, you know, I… you
know, Vice Chair can chime in, correct me if I'm wrong, I do think that
there was appetite to, you know, increase the radius of that noticing, if
that answers your question.
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Speaker 6 (Community Hall): Okay, Commissioner Rao, any questions before
we move on to public comment?
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Santosh Rao, Commissioner: Yes, so my question to…
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Santosh Rao, Commissioner: staff, is I see a number of notifications from
CUSD,
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Santosh Rao, Commissioner: and FHSD that are related to county-related
notifications. For example.
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Santosh Rao, Commissioner: I believe, and not just county, but other
agencies as well. For example, I believe there was recent CUSD
notification about a VTA outreach effort.
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Santosh Rao, Commissioner: And there's been prior notification around
Foothill-related projects that the county was doing.
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Santosh Rao, Commissioner: So, have we, in the past, done any cross-
agency noticing
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Santosh Rao, Commissioner: Or, I shouldn't say noticing, but cross-
agency, communications, outreach.
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Santosh Rao, Commissioner: using, other agencies, and do we push anything
towards USD or FHSD or FHDA?
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Santosh Rao, Commissioner: And vice versa, and that's something that I
would like to include.
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Santosh Rao, Commissioner: In the recommendation, if it's not already
there.
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Speaker 8 (Community Hall): I don't believe that community development
has done that kind of outreach with the school districts, to my
knowledge.
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Santosh Rao, Commissioner: And would staff know if any other department
has done that? I… I guess ATP, maybe?
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Speaker 8 (Community Hall): I can't confirm or… I'm not aware.
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Santosh Rao, Commissioner: Okay.
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Santosh Rao, Commissioner: Yeah, so for the… consideration of the
commissioners, I would…
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Santosh Rao, Commissioner: Recommend we consider how to include a We
include a recommendation to… Explore cross-agency outreach.
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Santosh Rao, Commissioner: Clearly, they're doing that on behalf of VTA,
and we are far closer.
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Santosh Rao, Commissioner: And we should be able to push out certain
notifications.
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Santosh Rao, Commissioner: through COSD, FHST, and FHDA.
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Santosh Rao, Commissioner: The, the other… the other item that I wanted
to add to this is really around…
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Santosh Rao, Commissioner: We just had this town hall, and it looked like
we just, you know, blasted out a phone call, or a text message, or maybe
both, to…
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Santosh Rao, Commissioner: I guess the entire city.
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Santosh Rao, Commissioner: Do staff know how that was.
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Speaker 6 (Community Hall): Sorry, was this a…
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Santosh Rao, Commissioner: Technology.
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Speaker 6 (Community Hall): Commissioner Rao, is this a question or a
comment? If we, you know, I think we can.
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Santosh Rao, Commissioner: Here's a question.
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Speaker 6 (Community Hall): Okay, alright.
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Santosh Rao, Commissioner: It is a question.
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Santosh Rao, Commissioner: The question to staff is the recent
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Santosh Rao, Commissioner: town hall that we just had, do we know if the
technology is new, it's something that has previously existed, and is
that a mechanism that we could use to target a neighborhood? Because
clearly nobody reads newspapers.
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Santosh Rao, Commissioner: And nobody even subscribes to these
newspapers.
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Santosh Rao, Commissioner: But, you know, everybody could get a…
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Santosh Rao, Commissioner: Call in the quarter mile radius, or whatever
the appropriate noticing radius is.
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Speaker 8 (Community Hall): I am not aware. I understand that the city
had, has, contracted with a consultant to… to actually host that town
hall, and they have the technology for it. I am not aware of any such
efforts internally at the City.
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Santosh Rao, Commissioner: Thank you. And so maybe then that's another
recommendation we could consider including, and that's, that's,
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Santosh Rao, Commissioner: technology that maybe, the CT office could
provide, so just something for us to consider.
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Santosh Rao, Commissioner: That's all I have. Thank you.
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Speaker 6 (Community Hall): Great, thank you. So, I think we will, at
this point, move to public comment. City Clerk, are there any public
comments?
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Speaker 5 (Community Hall): We have one hand raised on Zoom chair,
Jennifer Griffin.
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Speaker 5 (Community Hall): Welcome, Jennifer.
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Jennifer Griffin: Oh, can you hear me?
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Speaker 5 (Community Hall): Yes, we can hear you.
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Jennifer Griffin: Okay, good. Yes, I would have come, but I've developed
a stomach bug, and I think this topic makes my stomach upset. I would
just say thank you for the very good report. I'm glad the subcommittee
was working on this.
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Jennifer Griffin: We have had,
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Jennifer Griffin: A lot of issues happen in the city recently, and I
really, really am concerned that we're not getting to everyone like we
did a few years ago.
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Jennifer Griffin: I think that I would… I sent an email, comments.
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Jennifer Griffin: One of them is, I think the postcards are extremely
effective in trying to get messages out
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Jennifer Griffin: I know that we check our mail all the time, we get
postcards from every single person in the world, realtors, but we look at
them, and there have been multiple times when I had found a mailer, or my
husband did, and said, hey, the city
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Jennifer Griffin: is having a meeting on something, and I think you all
had red or yellow, which was really good, so I think we should go back to
that. The other one was having a community meeting,
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Jennifer Griffin: section of the Cupertino website, Los Altos and City of
San Jose have had these for many years. I routinely look at them,
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Jennifer Griffin: Also, I think having meetings that are posted on the
community development boards at each project site would be extremely
helpful. I… I'm fully aware of the five
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Jennifer Griffin: meeting limit of SB330. I know more about this bill
than probably a lot of people, but I am really, really being concerned
that because of all the SB330 meetings, there have not been… there has
not been one
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Jennifer Griffin: community meeting that I've been aware of. I know
they've had them, but I don't know where they're advertising them. The
developers are keeping them secret.
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Jennifer Griffin: We have a big SB330 at Finch and Stevens Creek
Boulevard, which I have yet to hear anything about. There's nothing on
the website, there's been no community meetings, and that one is going to
be extremely
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Jennifer Griffin: critical for the eastern end, so I want to know about
it, but there is no communication
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Jennifer Griffin: And I think that… I feel like the SB330 law is just
trying to keep the public unaware. I know there's 5 meetings, but even
that one I went to in Santa Clara at the development at Homestead
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Jennifer Griffin: and Lawrence Expressway was an SB330 project, and that
was one of their community meetings, but I found that out because I got a
notice from the City of Santa Clara. I am registered with that city to
get updates, as I am with Santa Cruz. So I think that it's very important
that we understand…
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Speaker 5 (Community Hall): Jennifer, that is your time?
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Jennifer Griffin: Okay, I… sorry, I can't even see the time here. Thank
you.
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Speaker 5 (Community Hall): We have no remaining speakers, Chair.
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Speaker 5 (Community Hall): Great, thank you very much.
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Speaker 6 (Community Hall): much, so I will bring this back to the
Commission for any further clarifying questions or comments.
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Speaker 6 (Community Hall): Commissioner Rao?
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Santosh Rao, Commissioner: Yes, so I'd like to…
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Santosh Rao, Commissioner: hear from staff on what the next steps on this
could be, if we wanted to
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Santosh Rao, Commissioner: Amend the deck to include certain
recommendations.
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Santosh Rao, Commissioner: I'll be… Is it… is it a, process by vote? How
should we proceed here?
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Santosh Rao, Commissioner: Maybe a question for Atme Group.
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Speaker 11 (Community Hall): I think it's appropriate for the Commission,
after the discussion of this item, to, should the desire to make a motion
capturing the recommendation, as part of that motion, you would designate
a commissioner, to prepare an email, to send to the City Council with
your recommendation.
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Speaker 11 (Community Hall): And to the extent there's any dissenting
votes on that, I emailed to be consistent with the recent revisions to
the Commissioner's Handbook to also identify the views of the minority.
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Santosh Rao, Commissioner: And is that,
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Santosh Rao, Commissioner: Is that also something we could request? The…
I guess as a part of that email, we could…
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Santosh Rao, Commissioner: request council or the City Manager and the
mayor to consider agendizing a discussion allowing the Commission
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Santosh Rao, Commissioner: to, to present their recommendations to
Council.
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Santosh Rao, Commissioner: Is that… is that a possible recommendation we
would include, or…
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Speaker 11 (Community Hall): Well, you certainly can't make that request
explicitly.
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Santosh Rao, Commissioner: And in that case, is the body able to attend
in its entirety, or would it be a subset of the body so as to not
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Santosh Rao, Commissioner: violate the Brown Act and form a meeting at
Council. Would that be two commissioners and no more?
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Speaker 11 (Community Hall): If the question is,
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Speaker 11 (Community Hall): for Brown Act purposes, how will we agendize
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Speaker 11 (Community Hall): a meeting of two bodies, and I think the
agenda would need to know… would notice that it's a joint meeting between
the City Council and the Planning Commission, although I'm not certain
that that's necessary or required for the purpose of this particular
item, where you're going to be informing the Council of
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Speaker 11 (Community Hall): Of the subject matter and the
recommendations from this commission.
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Santosh Rao, Commissioner: Okay.
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Santosh Rao, Commissioner: I have no other questions, but I would like
to, for the purpose of discussion.
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Santosh Rao, Commissioner: Consider if we can make,
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Santosh Rao, Commissioner: Maybe some small motions to see if we have
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Santosh Rao, Commissioner: some consensus on these items. I don't know
how the Commission wants to proceed, whether you want to use straw votes
or motions, I will…
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Santosh Rao, Commissioner: I'd love to hear from other commissioners what
the preference is, and we can… Look to add a few…
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Santosh Rao, Commissioner: Minor additions to this.
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Santosh Rao, Commissioner: I had a few that I commended. One was the use
of the banner across Stevens Creek, similar to how other city departments
are using.
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Santosh Rao, Commissioner: And that, the second one was the cross-agency
communications outreach, taking advantage of CUST, FHSDA, and FHDA.
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Santosh Rao, Commissioner: And then the third was, I believe the report
does not actually talk about AB2904, so it might be worth…
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Santosh Rao, Commissioner: Abanding the report to just include that, and
if we are adhering to it, then maybe we reference that.
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Santosh Rao, Commissioner: I will just pause there so we don't get lost
in…
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Santosh Rao, Commissioner: Would, like to hear… Yeah, thank you.
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Speaker 6 (Community Hall): Yeah, thank you, Commissioner Rao. City
Attorney, is there a preference between straw vote versus having an
actual motion for…
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Speaker 6 (Community Hall): This final recommendation.
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Speaker 11 (Community Hall): I think it's appropriate to use straw votes
here. Okay.
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Speaker 11 (Community Hall): Thank you.
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Speaker 6 (Community Hall): Okay, so thank you, Commissioner Rao, for
your suggestions. I have noted them. The one I wanted to clarify was
around the assembly bill. I thought my understanding from staff is that
we are already adhering to that one, so does it need to go within a
suggestion for future changes?
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Santosh Rao, Commissioner: I would probably propose including it so that
it is informative to
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Santosh Rao, Commissioner: both Council and members of the public that
are reading it to be aware that this… because this is a recent bill, it
just passed Jan 1st, 2025,
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Santosh Rao, Commissioner: And so, the fact that noticing has increased
to 20 days is something that is fairly new, and it may be educational to
members of the public as well. So for that purpose, I would include it in
the report.
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Santosh Rao, Commissioner: I… I also want to add one, one additional item
to the list I mentioned, which is… and I think it is on your list, but I
believe the city of… maybe this is in your list, the city of Santa Clara
has a quarter-mile radius on very high fire hazards
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Santosh Rao, Commissioner: Division, was that in your list already?
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Speaker 6 (Community Hall): No, that was not. I think that that was part…
one of the recommendations was to increase the noticing radius for very
high fire hazard zones, though, so yes. Sorry, the answer is yes.
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Santosh Rao, Commissioner: Yeah, so specific… yeah, so specifically, the
City of Santa Clara is considering including
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Santosh Rao, Commissioner: a broader noticing of quarter mile for very
high fire hazard civility zone. So I would just…
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Santosh Rao, Commissioner: maybe propose inclusion of the quarter mile
for the VHF.
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Santosh Rao, Commissioner: Whatever that acronym is, just given how much
aquatino is in the red zone and orange zone.
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Speaker 6 (Community Hall): Okay.
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Speaker 6 (Community Hall): I think we can possibly go by category. I
still think that there were 3 main categories of recommendations. One was
noticing radius, the second was noticing language, and then the third was
around channels of outreach. So maybe we can just do some straw polls of
this group.
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Speaker 6 (Community Hall): Starting…
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Speaker 6 (Community Hall): with, the members online, we will do
Commissioner Rao, Lynn Skogg, and then Vice Chair, myself, and then
Commissioner Fung. So what would you support an increase in noticing
radius for?
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Speaker 6 (Community Hall): larger projects, anything, for example, 2
acres or more, larger projects could be,
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Speaker 6 (Community Hall): determined by this commission as well. Zoning
changes, very high fire hazard zone projects, one quarter mile, and
changes to major streets.
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Speaker 6 (Community Hall): Commissioner Rao.
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Santosh Rao, Commissioner: Sorry, point of, point of inquiry.
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Santosh Rao, Commissioner: Are we trying to reiterate the recommendations
in the report, and doing that line by line, or itemizing it? Because it
might be more efficient to just do
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Santosh Rao, Commissioner: You know, do we do a straw vote for your
report, and then do a straw vote for any amendments?
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Santosh Rao, Commissioner: Because there's quite a few recommendations in
the report, and I guess we could do one straw vote to just accept the
recommendations, and then…
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Santosh Rao, Commissioner: Work through the amendments, if any.
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Speaker 6 (Community Hall): Yes, I wasn't sure if there was differing
feedback on the different components of the recommendations, but if, you
know.
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Speaker 6 (Community Hall): People feel that there's generally alignment
on the direction, and would rather go by
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Speaker 6 (Community Hall): amendments. I… I'm open to that as well.
Commissioner Linskog?
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Seema Lindskog, Commissioner: No, I was gonna say, I think the way
you're… you were doing it with the three sections is good, so that we can
have, you know, conversation with each of the… or… or, you know, straw
vote on the… each of the three sections, and then take each of the
amendments that, Commissioner Rao is suggesting, or any of the other
commissioners.
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Speaker 6 (Community Hall): Yeah, I just, I'm concerned that it might be
a little bit too broad and far-reaching to have the Commission approve
the entire,
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Seema Lindskog, Commissioner: Exactly.
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Speaker 6 (Community Hall): set of recommendations, so that's why I'm
going by category.
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Seema Lindskog, Commissioner: No, I like… I think the categories is
appropriate.
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Community Hall: Okay.
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Speaker 6 (Community Hall): All right, so, again, starting with you,
Commissioner Rao, what is your opinion on increasing noticing radius?
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Speaker 6 (Community Hall): Do you support increasing… yes?
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Speaker 6 (Community Hall): Okay.
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Speaker 6 (Community Hall): Commissioner Linskog?
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Seema Lindskog, Commissioner: Yes.
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Speaker 6 (Community Hall): Vice Chair?
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Speaker 7 (Community Hall): Yes, and I presume you're talking about
codifying.
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Speaker 6 (Community Hall): Yes, codifying a decrease in noticing radius.
Yes.
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Speaker 6 (Community Hall): And then for myself, it would be yes, and
Commissioner Fung.
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Speaker 10 (Community Hall): I guess it's yes. I mean, I didn't think
there was really an issue with what was in the report. The only
difference, I think, that we had had here was that
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Speaker 10 (Community Hall): there was not an explicit distance for very
high fire danger regions, so I, you know, I don't know whether the more
appropriate thing is just to ask if, you know, we revise that in the
presentation.
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Speaker 6 (Community Hall): I, I think… I mean…
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Speaker 10 (Community Hall): We could do it formally or informally. I'm
just not sure why we would want to…
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Speaker 10 (Community Hall): I don't think there's… I'm not… I don't feel
like I'm hearing a lot of opposition to what was… so I'm not sure why we
would go through this…
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Speaker 10 (Community Hall): Kind of extended process here.
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Santosh Rao, Commissioner: I will be…
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Speaker 6 (Community Hall): I wasn't sure. I actually wasn't sure, but
that's fine. We can note the amendment for a quarter mile.
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Speaker 6 (Community Hall): For very high fire hazard zones.
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Speaker 6 (Community Hall): Now, on the next section for clarifying
noticing language.
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Speaker 6 (Community Hall): Is there… okay, Commissioner Rao, what is
your opinion on clarifying noticing language on zoning? So I'll recap
this for everyone who's listening. Zoning would be to include the parcel
address, not just the parcel number, and for housing…
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Santosh Rao, Commissioner: Through the chair, could you share your slide
as you're talking about the section that you're describing, if you might
project the slide again?
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Speaker 6 (Community Hall): Okay.
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Speaker 6 (Community Hall): Okay, so I'm kind of editing it as we go.
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Speaker 6 (Community Hall): So, we're now in the green section for
clarifying noticing language. And so, the reason why I had wanted to go
section by section was I had sensed some question around
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Speaker 6 (Community Hall): Increasing the amount of content on the
mailers, and whether that's feasible.
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Speaker 6 (Community Hall): So we may want to potentially dial back this
recommendation, or just, you know, not have it. Commissioner Linskog, you
had your hand… do you have a question?
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Seema Lindskog, Commissioner: Yeah, no, that was exactly my comment. And
I think, you know, if there's another way to address that, so it's not in
the notice, but, you know, maybe there's a link to… here's, you know, as
I think Commissioner Scharf, or Vice Chair Scharf suggested, maybe
there's a link to
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Seema Lindskog, Commissioner: Not necessarily each waivers that this
specific project is requesting, but, you know, here's all the law around
it, and what they can request, and how the city has to abide by it,
something like that, so that we're not trying to do, you know, each and
every single… because it might look like, you know.
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Seema Lindskog, Commissioner: Those medical documents with the tiny 6-
point font, which doesn't really serve any purpose at that point.
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Speaker 6 (Community Hall): Chishna Rowe?
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Santosh Rao, Commissioner: Yes, I was going to echo that that seems
excessive.
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Santosh Rao, Commissioner: To include all of the housing
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Santosh Rao, Commissioner: state law language, because that, I believe,
staff do include that in the staff report when the project comes to the
hearing, and I think they do a pretty good job at
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Santosh Rao, Commissioner: At tabulating what laws apply and how they're
being used, and for any members of the public that
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Santosh Rao, Commissioner: who are interested would see that in the staff
report. So I think the address is a particularly good one to include. I
would be supportive of the address, which is the first section of that
column.
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Santosh Rao, Commissioner: I don't think the second section is needed,
nor would it fit.
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Santosh Rao, Commissioner: And the footprint that we have for any sort
of… any sort.
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Speaker 6 (Community Hall): Okay, great. So, let me do a straw poll,
then, on just clarifying the noticing language for zoning and parcel
address. Chair, if I may.
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Speaker 8 (Community Hall): Yes? Oh, right here. Our code actually
requires us to put the parcel address, so it's already codified.
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Speaker 6 (Community Hall): Oh, okay. So this was just, me going off of
community feedback that the parcel number was visible and the address was
not.
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Speaker 8 (Community Hall): We are required by law to include the
address.
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Speaker 6 (Community Hall): So, specifically, the instance I'm referring
to is, residents referring to receiving a mailer with a list of parcel
numbers, but no addresses. Did that ever exist?
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Speaker 8 (Community Hall): Okay?
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Speaker 8 (Community Hall): Not to my knowledge. In that case.
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Speaker 6 (Community Hall): So we are…
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Santosh Rao, Commissioner: Through the chair. Through the chair.
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Santosh Rao, Commissioner: During the housing element discussions, all
the way through to the final hearing.
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Santosh Rao, Commissioner: The materials included an APN, but not an
address, and…
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Santosh Rao, Commissioner: as a member of the public at that time, I
repeatedly raised the same comment, that
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Santosh Rao, Commissioner: the APN is not easy to identify, and an
address should be included, so I offered
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Santosh Rao, Commissioner: at that time, written comment and public
comment to that effect. So, if you go back, look at the housing element
materials.
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Santosh Rao, Commissioner: The APN is there, the address is not, and it's
possible that the address could not be included in certain cases, so
maybe that was the reason.
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Santosh Rao, Commissioner: And maybe Luke can clarify that. There may
have been parcels that
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Santosh Rao, Commissioner: We're, for example, the public right-of-way,
and therefore did not have an address.
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Speaker 8 (Community Hall): Correct. If a parcel does not have an
address, we can't include it. We would have to include the APN.
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Speaker 8 (Community Hall): We have to include some identity.
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Santosh Rao, Commissioner: to fight.
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Santosh Rao, Commissioner: So, can staff clarify, did we have a precedent
during the housing element, when the site list was socialized with the
various meetings?
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Santosh Rao, Commissioner: that the APN was used, but not the address.
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Speaker 8 (Community Hall): If I had to use a specific example, then yes,
I could point to the Mary Avenue parcel, which did not and does not still
have an address. It only has an APN.
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Santosh Rao, Commissioner: But otherwise, it's fair to say if an address
existed, you would include that.
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Speaker 8 (Community Hall): At this point, I'm just saying that the code
requires us to include the address. That is what Chapter 19.12 of the
Municipal Code says.
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Speaker 10 (Community Hall): Perhaps it would be better, if there's an
issue here where
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Speaker 10 (Community Hall): Where anybody feels that the address wasn't
included.
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Speaker 10 (Community Hall): Perhaps we… if we could see that.
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Speaker 10 (Community Hall): Rather than… rather than, you know.
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Speaker 10 (Community Hall): If we… if we know there's a requirement,
then it was included when it's possible. If it's… if there's not an
address of record, then it wasn't included. I mean, you know…
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Speaker 10 (Community Hall): When I look at the housing element proposal,
I mean.
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Speaker 10 (Community Hall): You know, there's a pretty good idea of
where these…
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Speaker 10 (Community Hall): Of where these things are. I mean, most of
these, most of these sites… Right.
451
00:54:16.495 --> 00:54:20.124
Speaker 8 (Community Hall): If an address is not included, usually we
include a map. Yes.
452
00:54:21.010 --> 00:54:23.370
Speaker 6 (Community Hall): Well, I believe, Commissioner Minskog, yes.
453
00:54:23.370 --> 00:54:34.399
Seema Lindskog, Commissioner: Yeah, sorry, thank you. So I think I
understand where this is coming from also, is… I don't think this is in
the zoning postcards or notices, but it is in…
454
00:54:34.480 --> 00:54:59.430
Seema Lindskog, Commissioner: I've encountered this as well, is in some
of the presentations, often they'll… or in the, you know, appendices and
tables, it'll list the APN, but it will not list the address next to it,
and that is kind of confusing, because you have to kind of go back and
forth and look up the APN, look up the address, and it creates… it
creates more work. And, you know, we do it because it's our job, but for
a member of the public, I can see how that
455
00:54:59.430 --> 00:55:02.250
Seema Lindskog, Commissioner: It would get pretty confusing and difficult
to follow.
456
00:55:02.250 --> 00:55:18.530
Seema Lindskog, Commissioner: So maybe it's the… what we should be
putting in the recommendations is not, to add the address to the
postcard, but in… in all the presentation materials to have the address
easily referenceable.
457
00:55:18.590 --> 00:55:29.619
Seema Lindskog, Commissioner: whenever the APN is listed, to, you know,
to have it always listed next to each other, to make it easier for the
public to follow, what's happening in those, in those,
458
00:55:29.790 --> 00:55:31.340
Seema Lindskog, Commissioner: in those presentations.
459
00:55:32.430 --> 00:55:40.860
Seema Lindskog, Commissioner: I don't know if that's something staff
would find onerous, I'm not sure, but… but I've heard that feedback, so I
think maybe that's where it's coming from.
460
00:55:42.200 --> 00:55:43.700
Santosh Rao, Commissioner: Thank you very much.
461
00:55:43.700 --> 00:55:44.580
Speaker 6 (Community Hall): Oh, sorry.
462
00:55:44.580 --> 00:55:52.109
Santosh Rao, Commissioner: The amount of ambiguity in this, maybe it's
worth just including the language, just to be explicit, to encourage
inclusion of the address where possible.
463
00:55:53.390 --> 00:55:55.750
Speaker 7 (Community Hall): So, I think we could put a link
464
00:55:56.220 --> 00:56:00.990
Speaker 7 (Community Hall): to Google Maps, or put in the longitude and
latitude if there is no address.
465
00:56:01.160 --> 00:56:04.500
Speaker 7 (Community Hall): Because that is something people can easily
go
466
00:56:04.660 --> 00:56:13.159
Speaker 7 (Community Hall): and used to figure out where it is, as
opposed to the APN, which is a lot more work to figure out where exactly
that is located.
467
00:56:15.120 --> 00:56:18.450
Santosh Rao, Commissioner: But if you're talking about a postcard, how do
you click a link on a postcard?
468
00:56:19.610 --> 00:56:25.120
Speaker 7 (Community Hall): You can put a tiny link, or you can just put
the coordinates if the people are really interested, but…
469
00:56:25.240 --> 00:56:33.379
Speaker 7 (Community Hall): Yeah, you can put, instead of the long Google
Maps link, you can create a tiny link that goes directly to the Google
Maps.
470
00:56:36.270 --> 00:56:40.700
Santosh Rao, Commissioner: Yeah, it just seems to me like an address
would be the most straightforward thing to include.
471
00:56:41.240 --> 00:56:45.100
Speaker 7 (Community Hall): Right, if there is an address. If there's not
an address, that's the issue.
472
00:56:45.720 --> 00:56:50.009
Speaker 7 (Community Hall): That's when you want to include some
reference to where it actually is.
473
00:56:50.250 --> 00:56:51.519
Speaker 7 (Community Hall): I mean, I don't know…
474
00:56:51.710 --> 00:56:55.669
Speaker 7 (Community Hall): A better… you know, or you can print a map on
the postcard, but that seems…
475
00:56:55.850 --> 00:56:57.870
Speaker 7 (Community Hall): Like, a lot more work.
476
00:57:00.440 --> 00:57:01.020
Santosh Rao, Commissioner: Okay.
477
00:57:01.020 --> 00:57:06.350
Speaker 6 (Community Hall): I think, and I agree with Commissioner
Alinskog's suggestion, it seems…
478
00:57:06.510 --> 00:57:16.270
Speaker 6 (Community Hall): So staff has confirmed that they are required
to include the address on… on the communications, but there is some, you
know.
479
00:57:17.210 --> 00:57:36.540
Speaker 6 (Community Hall): The community has experienced seeing parcel
numbers with no address, so maybe just for posterity's sake, we will
just, you know, have a straw poll here to confirm that we would like to
make sure the parcel address is on all relevant, public hearing
communications.
480
00:57:36.560 --> 00:57:39.420
Speaker 6 (Community Hall): So… why don't we just,
481
00:57:39.750 --> 00:57:41.870
Speaker 6 (Community Hall): go forward with that, Commissioner Rao?
482
00:57:43.830 --> 00:57:58.439
Speaker 6 (Community Hall): What would your opinion be on clarifying the
noticing language for zoning to ensure that all communications include
the parcel address? While we understand that it is already legally
required? We are just confirming… we are reiterating our desire for this.
483
00:57:59.750 --> 00:58:10.930
Santosh Rao, Commissioner: I would support including the address and a
reference to that. I would not support this language around the state
laws and all of the text explaining the relevant housing laws.
484
00:58:10.930 --> 00:58:15.579
Speaker 6 (Community Hall): Right, yeah, we are… we are leaving that out.
Alright, Commissioner Linskog?
485
00:58:16.490 --> 00:58:17.100
Seema Lindskog, Commissioner: Aye.
486
00:58:17.580 --> 00:58:18.219
Seema Lindskog, Commissioner: Or yes.
487
00:58:18.220 --> 00:58:18.890
Speaker 6 (Community Hall): mister?
488
00:58:20.490 --> 00:58:21.320
Speaker 6 (Community Hall): Bye.
489
00:58:21.740 --> 00:58:24.789
Speaker 6 (Community Hall): Yes for myself, and then Commissioner Fung?
490
00:58:25.325 --> 00:58:28.584
Speaker 10 (Community Hall): actually vote no on this. We've already got
491
00:58:29.225 --> 00:58:33.405
Speaker 10 (Community Hall): It's already… it's already… so I think the
problem is, it's sort of…
492
00:58:34.005 --> 00:58:41.404
Speaker 10 (Community Hall): you know, if a place doesn't have an
address, we're not going to make… we're not going to have an address for
it. So I don't think we're… I don't think there's any point in even
having a discussion about this.
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00:58:41.950 --> 00:58:51.119
Speaker 6 (Community Hall): And I understand that. Okay, great. And we
will move on to the final category of feedback. So, I have it pulled up
here. I already… I added,
494
00:58:51.360 --> 00:58:54.409
Speaker 6 (Community Hall): Oh, apologize, Commissioner Linscog, you had
a question?
495
00:58:55.050 --> 00:59:06.389
Seema Lindskog, Commissioner: Yeah, no, sorry, this is not a question. I
actually have to drop off, because I have a personal matter to address,
but before I go, I just wanted to make a quick comment on
496
00:59:06.390 --> 00:59:30.140
Seema Lindskog, Commissioner: the third section, I think all of it sounds
great, except the banner, I think, is unfeasible, because sometimes we
have multiple housing developments at the same time. The banners are
expensive, and they are meant to stay up for a while, and I don't know
how we would logistically or financially be able to swap them out on a
continuous basis.
497
00:59:30.390 --> 00:59:42.770
Seema Lindskog, Commissioner: for all the housing development issues,
especially if, you know, we sometimes have them on short notice, we
wouldn't be able to print the date. So it just seems logistically
infeasible.
498
00:59:42.770 --> 00:59:59.359
Seema Lindskog, Commissioner: To use the banner, though I understand the
thought around it, but I think if we can do a better job on social and
web and have, like, you know, a dedicated page that shows all the
upcoming public hearings, we can address some of that concern. So those
are my comments, and then I'm going to drop off.
499
00:59:59.390 --> 01:00:00.220
Seema Lindskog, Commissioner: Thank you.
500
01:00:00.480 --> 01:00:03.259
Speaker 6 (Community Hall): Okay, thank you, Commissioner Lenskogg, for
attending remotely.
501
01:00:03.720 --> 01:00:04.340
Seema Lindskog, Commissioner: Thank you.
502
01:00:05.460 --> 01:00:06.370
Speaker 6 (Community Hall): Commissioner Rao?
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01:00:08.470 --> 01:00:11.889
Santosh Rao, Commissioner: Yeah, so I would keep the banner for…
504
01:00:12.410 --> 01:00:20.060
Santosh Rao, Commissioner: major developments. So, for example, when we
get into the next set of housing elements cylists, for the zero net loss.
505
01:00:20.260 --> 01:00:24.260
Santosh Rao, Commissioner: I think that that's a major development that
the city needs to be notified on.
506
01:00:24.420 --> 01:00:33.830
Santosh Rao, Commissioner: Clearly not… every Planning Commission agenda
item qualifies, but where we have major, newsworthy,
507
01:00:33.970 --> 01:00:42.759
Santosh Rao, Commissioner: items that come to Planning Commission
Council, such as the Housing Elements Hitelist Update, Or the objective
design standards.
508
01:00:42.880 --> 01:00:49.409
Santosh Rao, Commissioner: Or, as we look ahead, maybe there's an item
around objective fire-related standards, or fire evacuation standards.
509
01:00:49.640 --> 01:00:55.800
Santosh Rao, Commissioner: And in general, if we look at large
developments, we don't have that many. We have… maybe 10.
510
01:00:55.950 --> 01:01:02.830
Santosh Rao, Commissioner: Or so, and so I would… I would keep the
banner, and it's a recommendation, and always have the discussion.
511
01:01:03.130 --> 01:01:08.779
Santosh Rao, Commissioner: Around how and whether it's feasible, and
maybe there's even an electronic banner that
512
01:01:08.960 --> 01:01:12.930
Santosh Rao, Commissioner: That gets installed, and we can have
electronics signage.
513
01:01:15.450 --> 01:01:27.849
Speaker 6 (Community Hall): Thank you, Commissioner Rao. It is an
interesting point that Commissioner Linskogg brought up, because as I
think about it, you know, I know of organizations that have purchased
banner space, and there is a cost.
514
01:01:28.180 --> 01:01:32.750
Speaker 6 (Community Hall): Would the staff happen to know how much the
cost of printing those banners is?
515
01:01:33.930 --> 01:01:50.900
Speaker 6 (Community Hall): I have no idea. Okay, yeah, I can probably
find that number out independently. I do know that there is a cost, and
then the other minor conflict would be that organizations do buy out that
banner advertising space, and so I imagine if they are buying that space.
516
01:01:50.900 --> 01:02:06.450
Speaker 6 (Community Hall): they would get priority, unless the city is
gonna buy out the space at a higher price. I'm not really sure how the
bidding for the banner space works. But, you know, I like the idea, and
maybe perhaps we broaden it to just
517
01:02:06.460 --> 01:02:17.670
Speaker 6 (Community Hall): you know, city signage? Does it have to be
the banner over Stevens Creek, Commissioner Rao, or would you be open to
just exploring city signage for major…
518
01:02:17.780 --> 01:02:23.129
Speaker 6 (Community Hall): I would consider this only relevant for
really major initiatives like the housing element.
519
01:02:26.500 --> 01:02:34.409
Santosh Rao, Commissioner: Yeah, so I would not, want to be optimizing
this too early. I would let this kind of ruminate through.
520
01:02:34.550 --> 01:02:40.610
Santosh Rao, Commissioner: you know, the various bodies and staff, and
let them think through the options, and I wouldn't prematurely rule
521
01:02:40.750 --> 01:02:49.530
Santosh Rao, Commissioner: Given the largest concern the public has
expressed over the last 3 years has been that they did not know about
something, I don't think…
522
01:02:50.030 --> 01:03:03.970
Santosh Rao, Commissioner: That we should prematurely rule something like
this out, because this is very effective. Everybody sees the banner. Now,
again, there's no reason there should be only one location for a banner,
maybe there's multiple banners. So I wouldn't want to, sort of.
523
01:03:04.130 --> 01:03:10.139
Santosh Rao, Commissioner: Prematurely exclude things at this stage,
especially where it is effective in reaching the public.
524
01:03:10.420 --> 01:03:15.819
Santosh Rao, Commissioner: I would, I would recommend we consider keeping
it, and then let the…
525
01:03:15.940 --> 01:03:29.060
Santosh Rao, Commissioner: let the staff and the departments and the
council decide how they would want to approach it. Like we said, there
are multiple different options here. Could be different locations, could
be electronic signboard, maybe there's grants for that, you know.
526
01:03:29.200 --> 01:03:33.000
Santosh Rao, Commissioner: Let… let the… let the proposal run its course.
527
01:03:35.430 --> 01:03:39.389
Speaker 6 (Community Hall): Okay, thank you. Any other feedback on this
category before we strappel?
528
01:03:40.180 --> 01:03:42.000
Speaker 6 (Community Hall): Okay, so, I'm gonna…
529
01:03:42.000 --> 01:03:48.560
Santosh Rao, Commissioner: Are we on the third point of clarification,
point of inquiry? Is that the third column we're looking at, or what are
we looking at?
530
01:03:48.740 --> 01:04:02.090
Speaker 6 (Community Hall): Yes, we're looking at the third column, so I
did add the banner as the suggestion, and I also added… oh, sorry, it's a
little bit cryptic. Cross-agency was referring to partnering with other
agencies, like CUSD and FUHSD.
531
01:04:03.530 --> 01:04:06.399
Santosh Rao, Commissioner: Right, and there was one more that I had
brought up, which was the…
532
01:04:06.910 --> 01:04:14.090
Santosh Rao, Commissioner: Can the city acquire the technology that was
used for telephone outreach? So, if we might include that.
533
01:04:15.990 --> 01:04:17.180
Speaker 6 (Community Hall): Okay.
534
01:04:17.180 --> 01:04:17.980
Santosh Rao, Commissioner: activity.
535
01:04:18.290 --> 01:04:33.689
Speaker 6 (Community Hall): Yep, I… I… well, I am screen sharing, and now
I can't edit it, but we can just include that, mentally. So, I think I
have noted Commissioner Linskaugh agrees with this category, but did not
agree with the banner. Commissioner Rao?
536
01:04:34.480 --> 01:04:40.659
Speaker 6 (Community Hall): what is your opinion on the increasing
channels of outreach, including what is listed on the screen? Okay.
537
01:04:40.660 --> 01:04:42.689
Santosh Rao, Commissioner: With the additions that I mentioned.
538
01:04:43.320 --> 01:04:47.800
Speaker 6 (Community Hall): Right. I… Okay, yes for myself and
Commissioner Fung?
539
01:04:48.405 --> 01:04:59.414
Speaker 10 (Community Hall): difficult again. I'm opposed to the banner.
I don't think it's practical. There were a lot of people who weren't
happy about Avalanche Court. I don't think they would care if you put a
sign at Stevens Creek Boulevard saying.
540
01:04:59.755 --> 01:05:04.465
Speaker 10 (Community Hall): you know, there's a project at Eve Village
Court, and that you know.
541
01:05:04.585 --> 01:05:12.224
Speaker 10 (Community Hall): all the same problems that we have with
Mailer, people will look at that and go, I wonder where that is. So, it
just doesn't seem like it has any value.
542
01:05:12.395 --> 01:05:20.244
Speaker 10 (Community Hall): The, cross-agency… It's interesting,
543
01:05:22.235 --> 01:05:33.495
Speaker 10 (Community Hall): in the… in the, last general plan, maybe not
the housing element, but in the last general plan, there was… there was
some coordinated efforts for communications with the… the, school
districts, so…
544
01:05:33.635 --> 01:05:36.625
Speaker 10 (Community Hall): you know, I think it's good.
545
01:05:37.385 --> 01:05:49.875
Speaker 10 (Community Hall): Well, in general, I thought the report was
really good, in terms of hitting a lot of good points. So, you know,
there were a couple places… I think there were a few places here where
things didn't get into the fire zone region, and the
546
01:05:49.985 --> 01:06:02.324
Speaker 10 (Community Hall): school district tie-ins, or other, you know,
community organization tie-ins. So, you know, I'm supportive of that, but
I think that I'm generally kind of saying on this one again, I'm probably
547
01:06:03.015 --> 01:06:09.635
Speaker 10 (Community Hall): overall voting… voting… well, I don't even
know how to say this. I mean, I'm voting now on the banner.
548
01:06:09.855 --> 01:06:15.355
Speaker 10 (Community Hall): I'm okay with the other, items, items that
were mentioned in the, in the report.
549
01:06:15.780 --> 01:06:18.699
Speaker 6 (Community Hall): Great, yeah, thank you very much, and I, you
know, I think I really…
550
01:06:18.790 --> 01:06:41.750
Speaker 6 (Community Hall): will do my best to incorporate the full,
breadth of perspectives from this Commission into this. Whatever final
recommendation goes to Council. I think it seems like there's an appetite
to keep the recommendations more broad so that Council can, you know,
take and leave whatever they feel, they want, but we can definitely note
that, you know, there are caveats with something like a banner as well.
Commissioner Rao?
551
01:06:45.630 --> 01:06:46.790
Santosh Rao, Commissioner: Sorry, I had no comment.
552
01:06:47.270 --> 01:06:47.950
Speaker 6 (Community Hall): Oh, okay.
553
01:06:48.920 --> 01:06:58.919
Speaker 6 (Community Hall): Great, so, it sounds like, you know, just to
conclude, we have general recommendations that we would make to Council
for their consideration.
554
01:06:59.090 --> 01:07:05.000
Speaker 6 (Community Hall): City attorney, did we need to officially
designate someone? Okay.
555
01:07:05.680 --> 01:07:06.600
Speaker 6 (Community Hall): Does.
556
01:07:06.600 --> 01:07:12.020
Santosh Rao, Commissioner: Sorry, through the chair, are we done with the
amendments? Because I thought we did have a few others.
557
01:07:12.250 --> 01:07:18.629
Speaker 6 (Community Hall): Oh, okay, yes, please feel free to add in any
other amendments that you would like us to vote on.
558
01:07:20.040 --> 01:07:25.069
Santosh Rao, Commissioner: I'm just… Looking at the discussions we had so
far.
559
01:07:25.370 --> 01:07:33.559
Santosh Rao, Commissioner: I believe we said we would include the
language around AB 20904 for educational and completeness purposes.
560
01:07:33.740 --> 01:07:35.490
Santosh Rao, Commissioner: Do we need to vote on that, or…
561
01:07:37.890 --> 01:07:47.279
Speaker 6 (Community Hall): I think that since that's already being
adhered to at staff, and that's just a note that we would make, I don't
know that we need to, but, you know, we can include that.
562
01:07:48.170 --> 01:07:53.769
Santosh Rao, Commissioner: Okay, and then… There was the Fire Hazard
Severity Zone, did we already include that?
563
01:07:54.350 --> 01:08:00.270
Speaker 6 (Community Hall): Yes, expanding the noticing radius to a
quarter mile for very high fire hazard zone projects.
564
01:08:01.710 --> 01:08:02.710
Santosh Rao, Commissioner: Okay, great.
565
01:08:03.120 --> 01:08:08.370
Santosh Rao, Commissioner: And one topic we have not discussed, and I
don't know how commissioners feel about this.
566
01:08:08.630 --> 01:08:11.950
Santosh Rao, Commissioner: Is multilingual notifications, do we do that
today?
567
01:08:12.380 --> 01:08:17.200
Santosh Rao, Commissioner: Do we do notifications, for example, in… in,
in Banton?
568
01:08:17.810 --> 01:08:20.040
Santosh Rao, Commissioner: We have a large Asian population.
569
01:08:20.370 --> 01:08:26.520
Santosh Rao, Commissioner: I don't know if we do any kind of multilingual
in Mandarin, or… Or other languages.
570
01:08:27.890 --> 01:08:28.210
Speaker 6 (Community Hall): So…
571
01:08:28.210 --> 01:08:32.250
Santosh Rao, Commissioner: And I realize it's a cost, we have a highly
educated population, but…
572
01:08:32.470 --> 01:08:36.640
Santosh Rao, Commissioner: Just trying to understand what the… what the
current… enormous.
573
01:08:37.490 --> 01:08:39.679
Speaker 7 (Community Hall): So, I was wondering if we should…
574
01:08:40.000 --> 01:08:43.790
Speaker 7 (Community Hall): include non-English newspapers as well, like,
575
01:08:44.080 --> 01:08:46.939
Speaker 7 (Community Hall): World Journal, I'm not sure what,
576
01:08:47.250 --> 01:08:49.779
Speaker 7 (Community Hall): Commissioner Ralph, you're aware of any,
577
01:08:50.660 --> 01:08:54.999
Speaker 7 (Community Hall): newspapers for the Indian community that they
consistently read.
578
01:08:55.490 --> 01:08:59.740
Speaker 7 (Community Hall): Because I can tell you, in Cupertino, there's
probably more people
579
01:08:59.939 --> 01:09:04.009
Speaker 7 (Community Hall): reading World Journal than there is the
Mercury News of the Cupertino Courier.
580
01:09:05.779 --> 01:09:06.359
Speaker 6 (Community Hall): So…
581
01:09:06.359 --> 01:09:09.049
Santosh Rao, Commissioner: So we should definitely include that one,
that's a good catch.
582
01:09:10.010 --> 01:09:14.470
Speaker 6 (Community Hall): I think that would be… so, staff, are we
currently notifying in other languages?
583
01:09:15.890 --> 01:09:16.510
Speaker 8 (Community Hall): No.
584
01:09:17.569 --> 01:09:20.530
Speaker 8 (Community Hall): Alright, so that would be…
585
01:09:21.145 --> 01:09:29.254
Speaker 6 (Community Hall): And actually, would you mind clarifying, what
are the costs that get passed on to the developer when it comes to
noticing
586
01:09:29.415 --> 01:09:31.494
Speaker 6 (Community Hall): Versus is held by the city.
587
01:09:32.790 --> 01:09:44.910
Speaker 8 (Community Hall): develop… Sorry, costs are passed on to
applicants, not just developers, they could be residents. Okay. But with
that said, newspaper… all the newspaper noticing is passed on to
applicants. Okay.
588
01:09:45.649 --> 01:09:46.729
Speaker 6 (Community Hall): Alright, thank you very much.
589
01:09:47.539 --> 01:09:50.339
Speaker 6 (Community Hall): Great, okay, I would be on…
590
01:09:50.340 --> 01:09:51.950
Santosh Rao, Commissioner: the chair, I just wanna…
591
01:09:52.180 --> 01:10:03.399
Santosh Rao, Commissioner: I wanna be cognizant of passing on added cost
to single-family home remodel applicants, so if we may modify this
language to reference specifically
592
01:10:03.690 --> 01:10:10.670
Santosh Rao, Commissioner: In… in some shape or form, that this would
apply to developments larger than
593
01:10:11.060 --> 01:10:12.920
Santosh Rao, Commissioner: You know, let's pick a number, but…
594
01:10:13.430 --> 01:10:16.659
Santosh Rao, Commissioner: Maybe it's 5 or whatever it is, but…
595
01:10:16.800 --> 01:10:19.629
Santosh Rao, Commissioner: I would be loath to apply any sort of
596
01:10:19.890 --> 01:10:21.949
Santosh Rao, Commissioner: None of this should really be to the…
597
01:10:22.090 --> 01:10:25.230
Santosh Rao, Commissioner: To the already burdened single-family
homeowners.
598
01:10:25.780 --> 01:10:30.340
Santosh Rao, Commissioner: I hope we are not passing on a cost on them
accidentally. That would be something we'd want to avoid.
599
01:10:32.310 --> 01:10:38.660
Speaker 6 (Community Hall): Yep, I think that's fine. Thank you,
Commissioner Rao. So maybe we can… let's do a straw poll on…
600
01:10:38.850 --> 01:10:44.690
Speaker 6 (Community Hall): Multilingual notifications, as well as ads
in…
601
01:10:44.840 --> 01:10:50.289
Speaker 6 (Community Hall): Other foreign language media publications
for…
602
01:10:50.460 --> 01:10:54.999
Speaker 6 (Community Hall): developments of… for larger developments,
let's leave it at that for now.
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01:10:55.460 --> 01:10:56.870
Speaker 6 (Community Hall): Commissioner Rao.
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01:10:57.770 --> 01:10:58.380
Santosh Rao, Commissioner: Oh, yeah.
605
01:10:59.220 --> 01:11:00.490
Speaker 6 (Community Hall): Okay, Vice Chair?
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01:11:03.160 --> 01:11:11.299
Speaker 7 (Community Hall): I, however… If a single-family homeowner is
splitting a lot into
607
01:11:11.590 --> 01:11:20.450
Speaker 7 (Community Hall): 6 units, I think that would still… should
still qualify for noticing. Or even 4 units.
608
01:11:21.080 --> 01:11:21.780
Speaker 7 (Community Hall): I mean… Right.
609
01:11:21.780 --> 01:11:23.150
Santosh Rao, Commissioner: So, if we were to pick a number…
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01:11:23.150 --> 01:11:25.069
Speaker 7 (Community Hall): An ADU wouldn't qualify.
611
01:11:27.060 --> 01:11:31.880
Santosh Rao, Commissioner: Right, so if you were to pick a number, so 4
years or larger, and something to that effect.
612
01:11:32.270 --> 01:11:33.910
Speaker 7 (Community Hall): Yeah, 4 is good.
613
01:11:35.270 --> 01:11:38.730
Speaker 6 (Community Hall): Okay, for myself it is yes, Commissioner
Fung.
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01:11:39.160 --> 01:11:44.739
Speaker 10 (Community Hall): Once again, I'm probably… I'm probably
knowing this. I think that,
615
01:11:47.040 --> 01:11:53.349
Speaker 10 (Community Hall): The World Journal is actually a great, great
recommendation, although, you know, kind of any newspaper is sort of,
616
01:11:54.070 --> 01:12:04.700
Speaker 10 (Community Hall): maybe not the best, the most effective use
of the funds. I'm particularly concerned that the, the projects of the
greatest impact are things like a housing element.
617
01:12:04.760 --> 01:12:15.020
Speaker 10 (Community Hall): So, you know, it will have lots and lots and
lots of material that would need to be translated, and of course, there
are no developers that you're going to charge that to. The city will have
to pay that.
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01:12:15.230 --> 01:12:18.829
Speaker 10 (Community Hall): So, I think making that requirement's
probably not… not practical.
619
01:12:19.160 --> 01:12:23.859
Speaker 10 (Community Hall): Yeah, so I'd say no.
620
01:12:24.790 --> 01:12:32.630
Speaker 6 (Community Hall): I think that's a valid point, and I think
that maybe the key here is figuring out the threshold for what we're
defining as large.
621
01:12:33.180 --> 01:12:40.160
Speaker 6 (Community Hall): So… Yeah, that's… that's something that we
would need to contemplate. I would actually…
622
01:12:40.165 --> 01:12:45.025
Speaker 10 (Community Hall): I would really agree on that, although I
think that, you know, for something to be large enough to warrant
623
01:12:45.615 --> 01:12:49.315
Speaker 10 (Community Hall): being on a banner, you really are kind of
talking about, you know, there's a project that's
624
01:12:49.555 --> 01:12:54.885
Speaker 10 (Community Hall): 25 or 35 acres, not… Not one that's even 2
acres, or…
625
01:12:55.285 --> 01:13:00.435
Speaker 10 (Community Hall): I don't know, I… I actually would agree with
the vice chair here that that…
626
01:13:00.655 --> 01:13:07.104
Speaker 10 (Community Hall): that there are certain kinds of subdivisions
within, particularly maybe subdivisions in R1, perhaps, of those.
627
01:13:08.185 --> 01:13:19.415
Speaker 10 (Community Hall): warrant a different, a different noticing,
right? That's an area that wouldn't be covered right now, I think,
specifically at, R1 subdivision, or…
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01:13:19.775 --> 01:13:24.385
Speaker 10 (Community Hall): maybe R3 subdivision, you know, those would
be areas where
629
01:13:24.595 --> 01:13:30.835
Speaker 10 (Community Hall): Probably of interest. Of course, probably
only of interest locally to, you know, a pretty small, small group.
630
01:13:33.195 --> 01:13:37.645
Speaker 10 (Community Hall): So, I think it would be great if there were
a way to, You know, to…
631
01:13:37.945 --> 01:13:46.025
Speaker 10 (Community Hall): think about something in that territory.
But, you know, without a specific recommendation, you know, it's just a
comment.
632
01:13:46.260 --> 01:13:52.970
Speaker 6 (Community Hall): Sorry, so to confirm, you're saying you would
want to do more noticing for small projects?
633
01:13:53.890 --> 01:14:02.989
Speaker 10 (Community Hall): I think that there are, that particular case
of, I'm subdividing, and I'm going to… I'm going to add, a number of ADUs
to a property.
634
01:14:03.390 --> 01:14:09.570
Speaker 10 (Community Hall): That… that seems… I believe that's something
that's worthy of notice. We've had…
635
01:14:09.680 --> 01:14:15.730
Speaker 10 (Community Hall): We had a couple… I mean, you know, there are
emails that come which are… Maybe not…
636
01:14:17.120 --> 01:14:32.759
Speaker 10 (Community Hall): You certainly understand the concern that
the homeowner has. There was the one where the person is building an ADU,
which is of legal but unusual height, and close to the… very close to the
fence.
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01:14:33.040 --> 01:14:42.710
Speaker 10 (Community Hall): you know, and then when they're actually
talking about, well, you know, now there's an issue here because I see
they're putting the, you know, water heaters and things like that.
638
01:14:43.310 --> 01:14:50.829
Speaker 10 (Community Hall): if there were a way to have, you know, have
some noticing of that, I think that that's something that's probably
missing today.
639
01:14:51.010 --> 01:14:58.299
Speaker 10 (Community Hall): I think it would be very easy for somebody
to decide to build an ADU, and it would be hard to know about, unless you
were an immediate,
640
01:14:58.520 --> 01:15:00.200
Speaker 10 (Community Hall): A merely adjoining neighbor.
641
01:15:01.540 --> 01:15:10.160
Speaker 10 (Community Hall): Right. But I have no… I have no solution on
what that would be. Or, you know, of course, there are legal
implementation, implications as well.
642
01:15:10.350 --> 01:15:19.370
Speaker 10 (Community Hall): You know, since ADUs have, you know, a lot
of waivers of the normal, you know, non-ADUs…
643
01:15:19.720 --> 01:15:20.870
Speaker 10 (Community Hall): rules.
644
01:15:21.580 --> 01:15:27.290
Speaker 8 (Community Hall): I just wanted to add that ADUs are
ministerial in nature, so it's like building permit, we cannot notice for
that.
645
01:15:29.610 --> 01:15:38.750
Speaker 6 (Community Hall): Right, yeah, it's a good point. I think the
ADUs are causing a lot of community unrest, and it's the one category
that we don't really have much control over. Commissioner Rao?
646
01:15:40.920 --> 01:15:46.879
Santosh Rao, Commissioner: Yeah, I think staff beat me to it. I was just
about to say that we are not allowed to do noticing on ADUs.
647
01:15:47.090 --> 01:16:03.400
Santosh Rao, Commissioner: Which is unfortunate, but on the earlier
comment that was made about trying to make a distinction based on
acreage, I would point out that some of the most controversial projects
in the city are projects on small acreage. For example, the project on
Schofield Drive.
648
01:16:03.750 --> 01:16:07.930
Santosh Rao, Commissioner: the project on McClellan Road. So I would, you
know.
649
01:16:08.300 --> 01:16:20.120
Santosh Rao, Commissioner: I would just err on the side of caution. If
the unit count is a factor, you know, if it's greater than 4 units or
something like that, you know, that's probably reasonable. I mean, we
won't get it right
650
01:16:20.260 --> 01:16:24.820
Santosh Rao, Commissioner: And it's not… you know, we aren't making the
decision right now, it's just a recommendation, so I would just…
651
01:16:25.580 --> 01:16:29.359
Santosh Rao, Commissioner: you know, this is… if it goes anywhere, it has
plenty of iterations, so I wouldn't…
652
01:16:30.070 --> 01:16:31.410
Santosh Rao, Commissioner: Split hairs on this one.
653
01:16:32.510 --> 01:16:43.180
Speaker 6 (Community Hall): Yes, thank you, Commissioner Rao, I agree,
and that's why I, you know, we had left this… the definition of larger
projects open within this, recommendation, because I agree, I think it's…
654
01:16:43.180 --> 01:16:55.010
Speaker 6 (Community Hall): it's actually a very complex topic as to what
we are defining as large. So, I agree that is a… is a further discussion
should Council choose to, go into this.
655
01:16:56.700 --> 01:16:58.850
Speaker 6 (Community Hall): Any other comments from the Commission?
656
01:17:01.340 --> 01:17:05.160
Speaker 10 (Community Hall): Well, so I will comment that I think that
the,
657
01:17:05.420 --> 01:17:15.519
Speaker 10 (Community Hall): The paper is actually very good. It captures
a lot of the things that… it captures a lot of things that everybody
knew, and it captures a few things that not everybody would have thought
of.
658
01:17:15.710 --> 01:17:17.690
Speaker 10 (Community Hall): Having not read it,
659
01:17:17.850 --> 01:17:20.740
Speaker 10 (Community Hall): It is… it's also valuable because it's very
brief.
660
01:17:21.010 --> 01:17:38.330
Speaker 10 (Community Hall): I don't think it would be a challenge for
anybody to kind of read this and kind of grasp, you know, I definitely
see the things that are in the recommendation. If it had been accompanied
by, you know, 50 pages of the legal explanation that would have made it
less valuable.
661
01:17:38.600 --> 01:17:42.460
Speaker 10 (Community Hall): So, you know, in that respect, I kind of
feel like…
662
01:17:42.960 --> 01:17:48.690
Speaker 10 (Community Hall): in a lot of respects, you know, I think
there were good comments about things that had been omitted, or…
663
01:17:48.880 --> 01:17:54.720
Speaker 10 (Community Hall): you know, focused, and in a lot of respects,
I kind of feel like, you know, the best way to do this would have been to
664
01:17:55.030 --> 01:18:01.339
Speaker 10 (Community Hall): You know, recommend a few revisions on that,
and… and let that be the statement of what, what the…
665
01:18:01.930 --> 01:18:09.310
Speaker 10 (Community Hall): you know, of what the Commission… you know,
the Commission's recommendation. But, of course, you know, we all have
the right to,
666
01:18:09.540 --> 01:18:11.370
Speaker 10 (Community Hall): You know, modify how we might do that.
667
01:18:11.790 --> 01:18:27.599
Speaker 10 (Community Hall): I would also suggest, you know, we actually
talked about what's the mechanism for how we'll do this, and, you know, I
would actually suggest that the committee, do another revision, and that
I think that we'll, I think we'll all approve that.
668
01:18:28.700 --> 01:18:30.450
Speaker 6 (Community Hall): Okay. Commissioner Rao?
669
01:18:32.880 --> 01:18:36.949
Santosh Rao, Commissioner: Yes, the last one that I had on this was, I
think we should…
670
01:18:37.420 --> 01:18:40.880
Santosh Rao, Commissioner: recommend that Council hear the item.
671
01:18:41.320 --> 01:18:45.110
Santosh Rao, Commissioner: And that would involve a…
672
01:18:45.350 --> 01:18:51.239
Santosh Rao, Commissioner: a recommendation in person from either the
Planning Commission or a subset that is appointed for it.
673
01:18:54.570 --> 01:18:56.150
Speaker 6 (Community Hall): Yes, I believe that.
674
01:18:56.410 --> 01:18:57.299
Santosh Rao, Commissioner: Let's here.
675
01:18:59.320 --> 01:19:02.629
Speaker 6 (Community Hall): Yes, I believe the process is that the… the…
676
01:19:03.580 --> 01:19:22.280
Speaker 6 (Community Hall): Planning Commission is designating a
representative to then make a report to the Council. Now, I did think
Commissioner Fung brought up an interesting suggestion, given that we are
not on any particularly urgent timeframe. Is there interest from the rest
of this Commission on
677
01:19:22.390 --> 01:19:27.520
Speaker 6 (Community Hall): You know, potentially the subcommittee
Bringing back a revision,
678
01:19:27.970 --> 01:19:30.570
Speaker 6 (Community Hall): for this Planning Commission to approve.
679
01:19:30.880 --> 01:19:32.899
Speaker 6 (Community Hall): Before bringing it to Council.
680
01:19:34.160 --> 01:19:47.000
Santosh Rao, Commissioner: Yeah, through the chair, I would… through the
chair, I would recommend we take this to Council as early as possible. If
you look at the oversized vehicle parking, I think we started on it in
April, we iterated it multiple times, and eventually Council did
681
01:19:47.370 --> 01:19:54.710
Santosh Rao, Commissioner: a totally different version of it, so I would
just recommend this goes to Council, and let it, you know, go through the
paces if it can.
682
01:19:54.820 --> 01:19:58.789
Santosh Rao, Commissioner: I would also suggest we do have a few large
683
01:19:59.460 --> 01:20:06.090
Santosh Rao, Commissioner: efforts going on, objective design standards,
and the housing element cyclists, so I know it's,
684
01:20:06.210 --> 01:20:10.789
Santosh Rao, Commissioner: Unlikely to make it before that, but at least
let's see if…
685
01:20:11.060 --> 01:20:13.549
Santosh Rao, Commissioner: Some low-hanging fruit might be adopted by
Council.
686
01:20:15.610 --> 01:20:19.030
Speaker 6 (Community Hall): Okay. Vice Chair, did you have thoughts on
timing? Nope. Okay.
687
01:20:19.770 --> 01:20:29.079
Speaker 10 (Community Hall): Yeah, if I could add to that, I mean, I
actually agree. I mean, I think that… I think there's a pretty good
consensus here. There isn't any reason to really,
688
01:20:29.590 --> 01:20:30.370
Speaker 10 (Community Hall): Will.
689
01:20:30.590 --> 01:20:34.360
Speaker 10 (Community Hall): I, I think that if you, in the process of,
of,
690
01:20:34.770 --> 01:20:47.280
Speaker 10 (Community Hall): revising the report. If the committee feels
like there's something that's worth coming back and discussing with
people, then they should. But otherwise, you know, I think, you know, you
got very strong support for the work that was done here.
691
01:20:47.910 --> 01:20:49.400
Speaker 6 (Community Hall): Thank you, Commissioner.
692
01:20:49.840 --> 01:20:59.380
Speaker 6 (Community Hall): City attorney, so we… Would we now commit… do
another straw poll for, the designated representative?
693
01:20:59.620 --> 01:21:02.479
Speaker 6 (Community Hall): for this report back to Council?
694
01:21:02.860 --> 01:21:03.810
Speaker 6 (Community Hall): Or…
695
01:21:05.700 --> 01:21:09.470
Speaker 11 (Community Hall): Yeah, it's just your discretion. You can
make a motion. As part of your motion.
696
01:21:10.840 --> 01:21:15.270
Speaker 11 (Community Hall): And as far as your motion, you can, you
know, you can designate someone.
697
01:21:15.920 --> 01:21:24.670
Speaker 7 (Community Hall): Okay. I'll make a motion to designate Chair
Casolcheron to be the representative to the Council.
698
01:21:25.020 --> 01:21:26.109
Speaker 7 (Community Hall): with this plan.
699
01:21:26.840 --> 01:21:27.740
Speaker 10 (Community Hall): I'll second that.
700
01:21:29.410 --> 01:21:32.530
Speaker 6 (Community Hall): Okay, thank you. City Clerk, may we please
have a vote?
701
01:21:38.220 --> 01:21:39.380
Speaker 5 (Community Hall): Commissioner Feng?
702
01:21:40.075 --> 01:21:43.214
Speaker 10 (Community Hall): I… you never thought you'd hear that out of
me, but yeah, it's fine.
703
01:21:45.050 --> 01:21:47.760
Speaker 5 (Community Hall): Commissioner Linskog is absent. Commissioner
Rao?
704
01:21:48.600 --> 01:21:49.240
Santosh Rao, Commissioner: Oy.
705
01:21:50.450 --> 01:21:52.119
Speaker 5 (Community Hall): Vice Chair Scharf? Aye.
706
01:21:53.130 --> 01:21:55.090
Speaker 5 (Community Hall): Chair Kasulchron? Aye.
707
01:21:56.270 --> 01:21:59.270
Speaker 5 (Community Hall): The motion carries with Commissioner Linskogg
absent.
708
01:22:00.570 --> 01:22:07.520
Speaker 6 (Community Hall): Great, thank you very much, and that
concludes this item. We will move to future agenda setting. Is there
anything from the Commission?
709
01:22:07.520 --> 01:22:16.099
Santosh Rao, Commissioner: Through the… through the chair, the item is
staff and commissioner report, so we still have to hear from staff, and
also hear from other commissioners.
710
01:22:18.100 --> 01:22:29.160
Speaker 6 (Community Hall): So I had actually already asked for the staff
to provide their input at the very beginning of this item, but if staff
has any more feedback, I'm happy to hear it.
711
01:22:29.690 --> 01:22:44.210
Speaker 11 (Community Hall): I think Commissioner Brown's a good point.
Just generally, this particular agenda item is to allow staff to talk
about other things, or commissioners to discuss what they may have done
in the previous meeting to today, so…
712
01:22:44.400 --> 01:22:49.709
Speaker 11 (Community Hall): I think Commissioner Rao is suggesting that,
we continue with that part of this agenda.
713
01:22:54.410 --> 01:22:57.139
Speaker 6 (Community Hall): Okay. Are there any staff reports?
714
01:22:58.990 --> 01:23:02.589
Speaker 8 (Community Hall): I don't believe staff has any updates at this
point for the Commission.
715
01:23:03.850 --> 01:23:05.320
Speaker 6 (Community Hall): Okay, thank you very much.
716
01:23:05.820 --> 01:23:09.310
Speaker 6 (Community Hall): All right, moving to future agenda setting.
Any items from the Commission?
717
01:23:09.510 --> 01:23:15.000
Santosh Rao, Commissioner: Through the chair, I did have questions for
staff, and I think we still have to do commissioner reports. We haven't
done that.
718
01:23:15.000 --> 01:23:18.869
Speaker 6 (Community Hall): I apologize, I did not see the hand raised.
Commissioner Rao? Yes.
719
01:23:19.060 --> 01:23:22.860
Santosh Rao, Commissioner: Yeah, but going back to the question for
staff.
720
01:23:23.410 --> 01:23:29.780
Santosh Rao, Commissioner: Can staff talk about whether the major
projects page is What is the…
721
01:23:30.440 --> 01:23:38.030
Santosh Rao, Commissioner: timeline when the major projects page gets
updated with the new project, because I believe There has been…
722
01:23:38.490 --> 01:23:45.230
Santosh Rao, Commissioner: Some movement on a 19 townhome development at
Foothill and Stevens Creek at the northeast corner.
723
01:23:45.350 --> 01:23:52.010
Santosh Rao, Commissioner: And I don't recall seeing that on the major
project page or on the staff report, so staff may comment on that.
724
01:23:54.640 --> 01:24:05.469
Speaker 11 (Community Hall): You know, if staff has a very quick
response, you know, I'll let them do so, but Commissioner Rao, this
section is reserved for staff to present any
725
01:24:05.470 --> 01:24:17.429
Speaker 11 (Community Hall): updates that they feel is appropriate to
this commission. It's not the time for, sort of, general question and
answer with staff. Feel free, of course, to reach out to them separately,
and I'm sure they'll respond to you.
726
01:24:20.360 --> 01:24:27.089
Santosh Rao, Commissioner: Okay, but the staff wanna… not so much a
question, but I guess, are there things that
727
01:24:28.740 --> 01:24:30.729
Santosh Rao, Commissioner: Do staff want to comment on that, or…
728
01:24:32.170 --> 01:24:46.840
Speaker 8 (Community Hall): The project… the major projects website is up
to date. The project that you were talking about is an SB330 preliminary
application. It is on the Major Residential Projects page, but it is not
a formal application.
729
01:24:50.840 --> 01:24:53.959
Santosh Rao, Commissioner: I see, and so we do not update the…
730
01:24:54.390 --> 01:24:57.339
Santosh Rao, Commissioner: Web page when a preliminary application is
received.
731
01:25:00.120 --> 01:25:03.060
Speaker 8 (Community Hall): Maybe we can take it offline, Chair,
Commissioner Rowell.
732
01:25:06.220 --> 01:25:10.870
Speaker 8 (Community Hall): It is on the website, and I can show you
where it is, but maybe we can take that offline.
733
01:25:11.420 --> 01:25:14.309
Santosh Rao, Commissioner: I think I know what I'm missing. Thank you.
734
01:25:15.290 --> 01:25:20.210
Santosh Rao, Commissioner: I believe there are two sections on that
website, and I guess we gotta look at one end and then the other.
735
01:25:22.400 --> 01:25:27.700
Santosh Rao, Commissioner: Commissioner reports, I guess, since I have
the mic, I can just comment on,
736
01:25:28.120 --> 01:25:36.050
Santosh Rao, Commissioner: It would be, probably appropriate to point out
that we have not heard on ODS in a while, so…
737
01:25:36.210 --> 01:25:38.080
Santosh Rao, Commissioner: Would be good to hear on ODS.
738
01:25:38.540 --> 01:25:43.529
Santosh Rao, Commissioner: It's been a while since we last had the ODS
session, and I don't know where we left off on that.
739
01:25:48.770 --> 01:25:52.360
Speaker 6 (Community Hall): Is there any staff response on the objective
design standards?
740
01:25:55.120 --> 01:26:00.860
Speaker 8 (Community Hall): There isn't a specific response on that.
We've just been very stretched thin on housing projects.
741
01:26:02.900 --> 01:26:06.070
Speaker 6 (Community Hall): Great. Any other Commission or staff reports?
742
01:26:08.610 --> 01:26:12.449
Speaker 6 (Community Hall): Okay, Commissioner Rao, you still have your
hand raised, I'm not sure if that is,
743
01:26:12.860 --> 01:26:24.940
Speaker 6 (Community Hall): You know, okay, thank you. All right, now we
move to future agenda setting. I did have one question, this is sort of a
follow-up from the last City Council meeting, but there was mention of
744
01:26:25.010 --> 01:26:33.519
Speaker 6 (Community Hall): In this… particular section of the agenda,
having a look forward at future weeks.
745
01:26:33.520 --> 01:26:50.449
Speaker 6 (Community Hall): Planning Commission meetings and, you know,
sort of just a high level… I understand, you know, the schedule can be
fluid, but a high-level look at upcoming agenda items for, like, rolling…
I don't remember the time frame, like, 2 months or maybe 2 to 3 meetings.
746
01:26:52.050 --> 01:27:10.660
Speaker 8 (Community Hall): Right now, we are dealing with over 15
housing development projects, and the timeline is extraordinarily fluid.
I believe that the city manager has been putting out, fairly recently, a
look ahead on the… on the timeline for those. There are no… there is no
fluid… there is no
747
01:27:11.020 --> 01:27:22.040
Speaker 8 (Community Hall): specificity in terms of months until we have
visibility on it. At this point, it is very hard to pinpoint because of
how review occurs on those projects.
748
01:27:23.050 --> 01:27:25.079
Speaker 6 (Community Hall): Got it. Is there a chance that that…
749
01:27:25.300 --> 01:27:32.289
Speaker 6 (Community Hall): timeline from the city manager can maybe be
appended to this agenda setting section, just so that we have visibility
as a commission?
750
01:27:32.930 --> 01:27:50.709
Speaker 11 (Community Hall): So, Chair, I just want to clarify, that
section is for the purpose of, either you on yourself, in your capacity
as chair, or for two commissioners to add an item, for a future agenda,
not for, identifying what will be on future agendas.
751
01:27:50.860 --> 01:27:51.680
Speaker 11 (Community Hall): Okay.
752
01:27:52.270 --> 01:27:56.700
Speaker 6 (Community Hall): All right, thank you. Any other, agenda
setting from the rest of the Commission?
753
01:27:58.390 --> 01:28:01.030
Santosh Rao, Commissioner: Yes, I would like to… Yes, ma'am.
754
01:28:01.410 --> 01:28:02.209
Santosh Rao, Commissioner: Through the chair.
755
01:28:02.240 --> 01:28:03.469
Speaker 6 (Community Hall): Yes, Commissioner Rao.
756
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Santosh Rao, Commissioner: I would like to propose agendizing a formation
of a subcommittee on objective Fire evacuation standards and
recommendations.
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Santosh Rao, Commissioner: Do I have a second?
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Speaker 6 (Community Hall): If I may briefly interject, I know I had
brought this up with staff. Would staff be willing to share their opinion
on the evacuation study and whether it is something that this commission
can discuss again?
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Speaker 11 (Community Hall): Okay, no mute.
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Speaker 11 (Community Hall): Before staff responds, I'm just going to
caution we shouldn't have too extensive discussions, because it's not
agendized. I see. Okay.
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Speaker 8 (Community Hall): I would not recommend Evaluating the
evacuations.
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Speaker 8 (Community Hall): Sorry, Commissioner Rao, you were saying?
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Santosh Rao, Commissioner: Sorry, sorry, through the chair, we are not
allowed to have discussions at this point. It is a second only, if you
want to entertain a second. I don't know if we have a second.
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Speaker 8 (Community Hall): That's fine.
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Speaker 7 (Community Hall): Yeah, I'll second that.
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Speaker 6 (Community Hall): Okay.
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Speaker 6 (Community Hall): Thank you.
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Speaker 6 (Community Hall): Any other agenda-setting items?
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Speaker 6 (Community Hall): Okay, with that, the meeting is adjourned.
Thank you.