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Speaker 1 (Community Hall): Good evening, it is 545, and I call this June 16th, 2026 Special Meeting of the
Cupertino.
200:00:36.120 --> 00:00:40.370Speaker 2 (Community Hall): City Council to order. Madam City Clerk, will you please call the roll?
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Speaker 2 (Community Hall): Councilmember Ferwin.
400:00:43.400 --> 00:00:44.110J.R. Fruen, Councilmember: Here.
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Speaker 2 (Community Hall): Councilmember Mohan? Here.
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00:00:47.790 --> 00:00:51.990Speaker 2 (Community Hall): Vice Mayor Chao? Here. Mayor Moore? Present.
700:00:52.950 --> 00:01:06.050Speaker 2 (Community Hall): Thank you. Our first item is a study session to consider existing designations,
zoning corrections, and state law protections for recreational facilities and parkland sites. Madam City
Manager, do we have a presentation?
800:01:12.090 --> 00:01:17.750Speaker 2 (Community Hall): Pardon, we might have a housekeeping matter. Has Councilmember Fruen indicated his location?
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Speaker 2 (Community Hall): Thank you for the reminder, Mayor. Councilmember Furwin, I have, a series of
questions.
1000:01:22.915 --> 00:01:29.295Speaker 3 (Community Hall): to ask you, and I will again ask you later at the regular meeting, so thank you for your patience. Councilmember Ferwin.
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J.R. Fruen, Councilmember: Okay, bye.
1200:01:29.890 --> 00:01:39.660Speaker 3 (Community Hall): Are you in the lobby… hotel lobby business center of the Fairfield by Marriott Inn and Suites in Salt Lake City, Utah? And can you confirm your location is open and available to the public?
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J.R. Fruen, Councilmember: Yes, I can, and I am in the lobby, and it is open and available to the public. I
have also provided proof of posting to the City Manager.
1400:01:48.750 --> 00:01:57.259Speaker 3 (Community Hall): Thank you, that was my next question. And are there any individuals over the age of 18 with you, and has anyone indicated to you that they intend to make public comment or address the Council?
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J.R. Fruen, Councilmember: you know.
1600:01:58.940 --> 00:02:05.330Speaker 3 (Community Hall): Okay, and I'll rely on you to notify me if any member of the public wishes to speak from your location. Thank you.
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Speaker 2 (Community Hall): Right, thank you, Madam City Clerk. Madam City Manager, do we have a presentation for Study Session Item 1? And, for the Clerk to note that, Councilmember Wong is here.
1800:02:16.320 --> 00:02:18.799Speaker 2 (Community Hall): Alright, thank you. Present. Thank you.
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Speaker 2 (Community Hall): Thank you, Mayor. This is a study session which is following direction from the City Council at its March 3rd meeting.
2000:02:27.040 --> 00:02:35.489Speaker 4 (Community Hall): to return to consider existing land use designations, zoning corrections, and relevant state laws. Staff will present survey results for the
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00:02:36.170 --> 00:02:51.269Speaker 4 (Community Hall): Staff will present survey results for the potential November 2026 Parkland rezoning Measure on July 7th. And with that, I will turn it over to Community Development staff, John Marteer, Senior Planner, and Luke Connolly, Assistant Director of CDT.
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Speaker 4 (Community Hall): Thank you, Tina. Good evening, Mayor, Vice Mayor, and Council. Again, John
Martier, Senior Planner. Yeah, I'm here to.
2300:03:00.480 --> 00:03:11.859Speaker 5 (Community Hall): present this item, for the study session, discussion, and, as City Manager already read this subject, I'll go right into the, presentation. So,
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Speaker 5 (Community Hall): background recommendation, and again, just a follow-up, from the March 3rd, 2026 study session, and the direction from Council to come back with, a deeper analysis on the land use designation, so I… corrections, and protections.
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Speaker 5 (Community Hall): For public open spaces, with city-owned properties,
2600:03:32.760 --> 00:03:42.709Speaker 5 (Community Hall): Throughout the community. And the recommendations to receive the staff presentation provides specific direction regarding potential zoning cleanups.
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Speaker 5 (Community Hall): So, really quick,
2800:03:46.260 --> 00:03:52.490Speaker 5 (Community Hall): kind of an overview of how land use works, in this community. We have the general plan community vision.
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Speaker 5 (Community Hall): Which… You know, in our, land use chapters, establishes broad development
patterns, long-term policies.
3000:04:00.890 --> 00:04:03.180Speaker 5 (Community Hall): Not necessarily.
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Speaker 5 (Community Hall): specific, rules and regulations, such as FARs and setback and whatnot, that
goes to, the zoning ordinance, which has more specific, guidelines, such as building forms and permitted
activities. In this case, you know, what type of,
3200:04:20.430 --> 00:04:28.550Speaker 5 (Community Hall): public, you know, parkland, we'll keep doing those parkland, zoned areas, as well as, public facility zoned areas and whatnot.
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Speaker 5 (Community Hall): So, this chart, mirrors what was in the staff report in terms of the general plan
land use and its corresponding zoning designation. You see that the… there's three general plan land uses that, govern a city,
3400:04:47.260 --> 00:04:53.070Speaker 5 (Community Hall): Facilities, such as parks and open space, public facilities, and,
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Speaker 5 (Community Hall): transportation. Within the park's open space, general plan last designation, you have open space.
3600:05:00.610 --> 00:05:05.079Speaker 5 (Community Hall): Park Recreation, as well as Private Recreation, FP, within the
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Speaker 5 (Community Hall): the city of Cupertino, I believe there's only one, one area that's… has an FP
designation, that's Deeproof Golf Course. That's a private facility. Open spaces are…
3800:05:16.790 --> 00:05:22.010Speaker 5 (Community Hall): or there's not a single city facility that has an OS, zoning destination, but, you know.
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Speaker 5 (Community Hall): the majority of our parks already have a PR destination. Public facilities, BA,
4000:05:29.550 --> 00:05:38.639Speaker 5 (Community Hall): would be, such as City Hall, as well as, the Marriott Corp Yard, those are public facilities as well.
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Speaker 5 (Community Hall): And transportation, typically those transportation are streets, roads, and other type of,
4200:05:46.340 --> 00:05:49.840Speaker 5 (Community Hall): Anything used to accommodate, infrastructure or corridors.
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Speaker 5 (Community Hall): The staff report identified all city-owned properties. There's 40-plus on there, so this is a brief selection of
4400:06:02.660 --> 00:06:07.019Speaker 5 (Community Hall): From that table. As we see that, you know.
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Speaker 5 (Community Hall): much of what was listed is conforming, and so, such as Portal Park, Avarian Park, the current zone's PR, as well as this general plan, designation lanes as parks and open space, so, you know, the status recommendation from staff is that there… those are aligned, and there's really no action intended with that one.
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Speaker 5 (Community Hall): Creekside Park, particularly the soccer field portion of it, that was brought up in
March 3rd, correctly so, that the general plan land use for the whole park, including the soccer field, is parks
and open space. However, that soccer field portion has a BA, zoning to it, which, you know,
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Speaker 5 (Community Hall): is currently inconsistent. You typically want your zone, again, to be consistent
with the general plan as a land use designation, so that would probably require some type of zoning cleanup. Quinlan Community Center, interesting one. It's… it's got general plans for public facilities, but the current zoning is… is park.
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Speaker 5 (Community Hall): Which, again, is inconsistent, and this is something that Council could give
direction to staff, whether they want to have Quinlan Community Center be, have a general plan land use of a public facility, or have a, as something that has parked or an open space.
4900:07:17.240 --> 00:07:35.700Speaker 5 (Community Hall): Memorial Park, entrance is one that's kind of one of those leftover parcels, right at the entrance, off Mary Avenue, just… just adjacent to the Senior Center that has a general plan land
use of transportation, but a current zoning of R3. So, this is something that's outdated.
5000:07:36.250 --> 00:07:37.810Speaker 5 (Community Hall): You know, staff thinks that
5100:07:38.020 --> 00:07:47.440Speaker 5 (Community Hall): If we're going through this exercise of, you know, kind of making consistent,
zoning designations with the general plan, you know, let's just go through that.
5200:07:47.690 --> 00:07:52.900Speaker 5 (Community Hall): redesignate that something more consistent with the Memorial Park, land use, as well as zoning.
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Speaker 5 (Community Hall): State law protections,
5400:07:57.470 --> 00:08:12.279Speaker 5 (Community Hall): the staff report from, March 3rd, that was dated February 19th, discussed in detail the current state laws that protect, parks and open spaces within, communities, and, our city attorney can probably
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Speaker 5 (Community Hall): answer… answer the… any question you might have about this better than I
could.
5600:08:18.260 --> 00:08:34.470Speaker 5 (Community Hall): So, next steps is, you know, should City Council directs, staff will initiate formal zoning cleanups to bring public facilities and parking into full conformity with the adopt General Plan, which include, but not limited to, rezoning the soccer field at Creekside Park from public buildings to
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Speaker 5 (Community Hall): to a park designation, such as PR. Rezone the senior center parking lot entrance, as discussed before.
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Speaker 5 (Community Hall): a couple slides ago, whether Council's directions to maintain that as a public
facility and land use, or
6000:08:54.030 --> 00:08:57.700Speaker 5 (Community Hall): Make that into a parks and open space land use.
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Speaker 5 (Community Hall): And one that wasn't listed in the staff's report is to, the rezoning of Library
Field at Civic Center from Public Buildings, BA.
6200:09:05.730 --> 00:09:23.789Speaker 5 (Community Hall): to, park destinations PR, because that was another one of the, at the March 3rd study session that was brought up by a member of the community as well. And again, this list is not exhaustive, neither was the list, for next steps in the staff reports being exhaustive as well. There's a
number of other, parcels that are,
6300:09:24.110 --> 00:09:38.780Speaker 5 (Community Hall): identified in Table 2 of the staff report that we'll probably need some adjustments to their land use and or zoning designations to conform with Council direction as well. And that, concludes my, presentation.
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Speaker 2 (Community Hall): Okay, thank you, John, for the presentation and the staff report. Do we have
any clarifying questions from the Council at this time?
6500:09:49.360 --> 00:09:50.400Speaker 2 (Community Hall): Vice Mayor?
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Speaker 2 (Community Hall): Oh, yeah.
6700:09:54.270 --> 00:09:59.730Speaker 2 (Community Hall): So, I think we do have buildings in, like, Creekside Park.
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Speaker 6 (Community Hall): has the Creekside Community Building. Ontar Vista Park also has a community
building. Portal Park, too.
6900:10:07.900 --> 00:10:20.520Speaker 6 (Community Hall): So, the PR zoning does allow to have a community space, right? So, which
means the Queensland Center is not really inconsistent.
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Speaker 6 (Community Hall): with… PR zoning.
7100:10:23.770 --> 00:10:29.960Speaker 5 (Community Hall): Correct, you know, recreational facilities are allowed within the ER zone, it's permitted, so…
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Speaker 5 (Community Hall): Yes, I mean, Quinlan's interesting because it's both a public facility as well as a recreational facility, so I think that we, you know, it's… it would…
7300:10:39.180 --> 00:10:45.579Speaker 5 (Community Hall): I think staff could recommend that a land use could be changed to a parks and
open space, rather than a public facility.
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7500:10:49.870 --> 00:10:54.519Speaker 6 (Community Hall): You… I thought the suggestion is to rezone it to BA.
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Speaker 6 (Community Hall): I think it was Public Facilities General Plan, but the zoning is parks.
7700:11:02.670 --> 00:11:03.850Speaker 7 (Community Hall): and recreation.
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Community Hall: So the zoning's public facilities.
7900:11:08.330 --> 00:11:11.600Community Hall: Oh, so zoning… The general plan is public facilities.
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Speaker 7 (Community Hall): the zoning.
8100:11:12.140 --> 00:11:21.110Speaker 6 (Community Hall): is Parks and Recreation. Oh, I see, so those two are inconsistent. Correct. I see. Yeah, and I think there's always some overlap between the two.
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Speaker 7 (Community Hall): because they both describe publicly owned facilities.
8300:11:26.045 --> 00:11:33.075Speaker 6 (Community Hall): So, for SportsCenter, It would be if that lot is on the parks.
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Speaker 6 (Community Hall): parks and open space. SportsCenter is, consistent with that zoning 2. Or BA.
8500:11:41.445 --> 00:11:51.004Speaker 5 (Community Hall): Yeah, it's currently… it's currently Parks and Rec right now, and so it's currently… the land use as well as the zoning is consistent with each other and with the use on site.
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Speaker 6 (Community Hall): Oh, so Parks… sports center is already parks and open space.
8700:11:55.885 --> 00:12:01.785Speaker 6 (Community Hall): Corporate. Correct, yes. Okay. One more question is, I think there is a…
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Speaker 6 (Community Hall): Is there is a residential building that's at the entrance of Blackberry Farm that's
currently used by the Parks and Rec?
8900:12:10.105 --> 00:12:12.645Speaker 6 (Community Hall): As a meeting room.
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Speaker 6 (Community Hall): Is that still zoned residential?
9100:12:16.630 --> 00:12:25.309Speaker 5 (Community Hall): That's not zoned residential. The entrance to Blackberry is literally a 1,000 square foot leftover parcel right at the end.
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Speaker 5 (Community Hall): So that would be part of, like, a… Cleanup.
9300:12:29.550 --> 00:12:34.740Speaker 5 (Community Hall): That building is, I believe, within the correct zoning.
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Speaker 6 (Community Hall): So that has the same zoning as Blackberry Farm? Yes. Okay.
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Speaker 6 (Community Hall): Property 2… Perhaps an open space, right? Well, it's…
9800:12:58.665 --> 00:13:02.544Speaker 5 (Community Hall): It's not owned by the city currently, so I think this is a little bit of city-owned facilities.
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Speaker 6 (Community Hall): But whether… I think the city can rezone a parcel whether it's owned by us or
not. Vice Mayor? I think that the Finch property, will be a topic.
10000:13:12.530 --> 00:13:22.769Speaker 8 (Community Hall): for another meeting, and we do currently have a member of the Council who is conflicted on the item, so if we're going to have a conversation about Finch, we probably should, okay.
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Speaker 6 (Community Hall): But maybe let's… let me just ask, can the city rezone a property even though
we are… don't own them? I believe we can.
10200:13:31.900 --> 00:13:32.780Speaker 6 (Community Hall): Right?
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Speaker 7 (Community Hall): Yes. Yes. Yes.
10400:13:35.420 --> 00:13:51.539Speaker 6 (Community Hall): If we… I think the city has done that before. If a property the city doesn't own yet, but we perceive a future use, we can rezone that. Okay, so not talking about specific property, just… Thank you.
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Speaker 2 (Community Hall): Councilmember Wan?
10600:13:56.260 --> 00:13:58.180Speaker 2 (Community Hall): Thanks. Oh, thanks.
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Speaker 2 (Community Hall): I do want to delve a little bit deeper into the Cupertino Sports Center.
10800:14:02.460 --> 00:14:08.970Speaker 9 (Community Hall): You said it's part of the Memorial Park Hub, so the designation comes across
for PR only?
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Speaker 9 (Community Hall): Just want to make sure that that's clarified properly, because I've seen in some places… I'm looking at the interactive map, but I've seen in some places it's listed as public, quasi-public.
11000:14:18.130 --> 00:14:29.249Speaker 9 (Community Hall): But I'm also seeing on our map for the Cupertino zoning map, the interactive
one that you guys put together, that it's PR, so I just want to make sure if we've got clarification on that.
Getting the TV crew to share my screen.
11100:14:32.340 --> 00:14:39.890Speaker 5 (Community Hall): So yeah, so this is the general plan designations, parks and open space for, the Cupertino Sports Center, and the zoning's on the right.
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Speaker 9 (Community Hall): So it's definitely PR that's gonna be protected at parks and… okay, so make
sure we're…
11300:14:45.105 --> 00:14:47.735Speaker 9 (Community Hall): There's been a lot of questions about that, so thank you very much.
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Speaker 2 (Community Hall): Councilmember Mohan?
11500:14:54.480 --> 00:15:03.880Speaker 2 (Community Hall): Just a quick clarification from, from staff. In the original, staff report.
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Speaker 2 (Community Hall): You did not, in the.
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Speaker 10 (Community Hall): Item that you included?
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Speaker 5 (Community Hall): subdivision that are owned by the city, and that includes Little Rancho Park, as
well as Canyon Oak Park.
12100:15:39.990 --> 00:15:46.949Speaker 5 (Community Hall): Those parks have a parks and open space general plan land use, but have a zoning of plan and residential.
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12300:15:51.540 --> 00:16:05.260Speaker 5 (Community Hall): to fix, to have those be a Parks and Rec zoning as well. So again, I apologize if that was a source of confusion for the Council. You know, that, again, the next steps list was not meant to
be exhaustive. There's a…
12400:16:05.370 --> 00:16:07.359Speaker 5 (Community Hall): About, I would say, probably 10 to 15.
12500:16:07.480 --> 00:16:13.279Speaker 5 (Community Hall): Properties on this list that probably need to be rezoned or, have a change of
land use designation.
12600:16:13.930 --> 00:16:20.140Speaker 10 (Community Hall): Okay, so we're talking about the next steps, in the staff report. You're saying that that's not, comprehensive.
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Speaker 10 (Community Hall): That's correct. Thank you.
12800:16:24.950 --> 00:16:25.859Speaker 2 (Community Hall): Vice Mayor?
12900:16:28.220 --> 00:16:30.909Speaker 6 (Community Hall): So, you mentioned one of the…
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13100:16:51.390 --> 00:17:01.160Speaker 7 (Community Hall): I don't know if you have a slide. I believe the property that John was referring
to is more like a remnant that is not really a buildable site on its own.
13200:17:01.250 --> 00:17:20.299Speaker 7 (Community Hall): But yeah, you are correct that if you change a residential designation, you have to compensate for the loss of potential residential development. I think if you had a remnant parcel that could not actually accommodate a unit… It should be okay. …then I don't think you would face that issue,
because you couldn't build anything on it.
13300:17:20.444 --> 00:17:23.535Speaker 6 (Community Hall): But if we have a potential one, like.
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13500:17:31.550 --> 00:17:40.069Speaker 7 (Community Hall): That is correct. If you had a buildable parcel that could accommodate one or
more units, then you would need to look at offsetting that.
13600:17:40.890 --> 00:17:44.510Speaker 7 (Community Hall): loss of potential units somewhere else in the city. Okay.
13700:17:44.595 --> 00:17:54.385Speaker 6 (Community Hall): I believe we have other remnant parcels like that, that's leftover property of a
development property.
13800:17:56.135 --> 00:17:58.454Speaker 6 (Community Hall): Like, the one that…
13900:17:58.705 --> 00:18:08.975Speaker 6 (Community Hall): has been contentious, that someone has been trying to build a trail through. I
think that's also zone still residential, because it's a leftover.
14000:18:09.295 --> 00:18:15.355Speaker 6 (Community Hall): of a previous development. So I think we probably have multiple of those in the city.
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Speaker 5 (Community Hall): If you're talking about the… The one adjacent to the Deep Cliff Golf Course.
14200:18:22.890 --> 00:18:30.720Speaker 6 (Community Hall): No, I think it's the one across from the entrance to, Blackberry Farm Golf Course.
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Speaker 2 (Community Hall): It's APN35607059, I believe, the 2,400 square foot parcel along Stevens Creek.
It's a… that triangle there.
14400:18:42.440 --> 00:18:46.319Speaker 6 (Community Hall): Probably should be zoned riparian zone.
14500:18:46.570 --> 00:18:49.330Speaker 6 (Community Hall): Because it's, right next to a creek.
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Speaker 5 (Community Hall): We could… yeah, I think that's one that we would look at as well, you know, as
well as the zoning. FP is typically a private open space as well, too, so… I mean, it's inconsistent between the zoning as well as…
14700:19:04.220 --> 00:19:16.679Speaker 6 (Community Hall): So, if we zone a property to riparian zoning versus not, what kind of additional protection is there for parcels that are
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14900:19:25.300 --> 00:19:29.179Speaker 5 (Community Hall): I don't believe we have a riparian zoning or land use.
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Speaker 6 (Community Hall): I believe in the Cupertino property information, some parcel, I did see riparian corridor. I'm not sure if it's a land use or zoning, but I did see that designation somewhere.
15100:19:46.305 --> 00:19:54.354Speaker 7 (Community Hall): Usually refers to proximity to a creek, so you could be, say, 100 feet away, but it's not a zoning designation in and of itself.
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15300:20:00.875 --> 00:20:07.315Speaker 7 (Community Hall): Or are there restrictions on that, even landscaping restrictions, so you wouldn't
have invasive plants next to a creek corridor?
15400:20:07.585 --> 00:20:10.775Speaker 7 (Community Hall): But it's not a zoning designation. I see.
15500:20:10.780 --> 00:20:19.370Speaker 6 (Community Hall): So do we have our… does our MINI code have more strict standards for those
riparian corridors?
15600:20:20.210 --> 00:20:31.820Speaker 7 (Community Hall): typically you do, I don't know what they are off the top of my head, but normally you're trying to protect that corridor, so you would generally have larger setbacks and want to
reduce impacts, similar to, like, building under.
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Speaker 6 (Community Hall): So it's still important to designate them.
15800:20:35.175 --> 00:20:37.624Speaker 6 (Community Hall): It is. As such. Okay, thank you.
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Speaker 2 (Community Hall): Councilmember Wong?
16000:20:42.420 --> 00:20:53.970Speaker 9 (Community Hall): Thanks. Why can we not create a riparian zone? We could do that as well. Is that something that we should be doing? Especially for that particular parcel, it's sitting right next to the water area.
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Speaker 7 (Community Hall): I didn't say you couldn't create a zone. I'm just saying that we don't have an existing… We don't have the zoning designation.
16200:21:00.715 --> 00:21:01.705Speaker 9 (Community Hall): Yes.
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Speaker 7 (Community Hall): So… Creating a zoning district,
16400:21:04.965 --> 00:21:07.674Speaker 7 (Community Hall): We created a new zoning district doing the housing element.
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Speaker 7 (Community Hall): R4. Yeah, so… Townhome overlay, so we created two two years ago, so it
could be done if there was a desire to do that.
16600:21:16.140 --> 00:21:21.110Speaker 9 (Community Hall): Okay, I'll see if there's any interest in adding that to the list. Okay, thank you.
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Speaker 2 (Community Hall): And Vice Mayor?
16800:21:23.285 --> 00:21:27.555Speaker 6 (Community Hall): And just to follow up on that, is there…
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Speaker 6 (Community Hall): A difference, though, in practice, whether it's a specific zoning versus its spatial
designation, as long as we have a definition on what needs to be done for that.
17000:21:42.875 --> 00:21:52.014Speaker 6 (Community Hall): zoning. Maybe it's still PR, but then we identify it as such. Is there, in practice.
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Speaker 6 (Community Hall): How would that be different for planning, in terms of enforcing the setback, or…
17200:22:00.480 --> 00:22:05.339Speaker 7 (Community Hall): I'm not sure I followed the question if it had to do with creating a new zoning district.
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00:22:05.670 --> 00:22:12.650Speaker 6 (Community Hall): Just wondering, is creating a new zoning district adding more an administrative hurdle?
17400:22:12.920 --> 00:22:29.410Speaker 6 (Community Hall): or the current status, maybe it's, maybe it's PR zoning, but you have a
designation that's a riparian corridor. Is that sufficient in… for planning purposes or enforcement purpose?
17500:22:29.410 --> 00:22:37.579Speaker 7 (Community Hall): Yeah, typically, if you're going to do a riparian corridor, it's only gonna be on those parcels that are within a certain distance, say, like, atop a bank of a creek.
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Speaker 7 (Community Hall): So, the portion of a property that would be within that area would be affected
by it. If it were a larger parcel, the area outside that would not be. That's typically how you handle riparian
designations in other cities I've worked in. You may have different development standards the closer you get
to the creek.
17700:22:56.770 --> 00:23:05.920Speaker 7 (Community Hall): But I… I think just the Parks and Recreation designation has a lot of protections, because it's really intended for Parks and Recreation. It's not…
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Speaker 7 (Community Hall): It's not something a developer could acquire and really do anything with. You would have to rezone the property and check a plan.
17900:23:13.845 --> 00:23:27.734Speaker 6 (Community Hall): I guess I imagine it could be the part that's close to a creek is only a portion of
a parcel, so it's not practical to really have two different zoning for that parcel.
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00:23:28.045 --> 00:23:36.665Speaker 6 (Community Hall): Right, so it might be better to just have a… certain… Guideline on repairing corridor.
18100:23:36.665 --> 00:23:39.654Speaker 7 (Community Hall): Typically, you could have policies, say, in your general plan.
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Speaker 7 (Community Hall): About if you're within that corridor.
18300:23:43.025 --> 00:23:54.324Speaker 7 (Community Hall): how that would affect developing, or how you can use the site. That's a more typical way to do it, because, again, the corridors are narrow and run through a city, and they usually affect portions of parcels.
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Speaker 7 (Community Hall): And rather than having two different zoning designations on all of the land.
18500:23:59.785 --> 00:24:02.195Speaker 7 (Community Hall): That's an easier, clearer way to do it.
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Speaker 7 (Community Hall): Hmm. Thank you.
18700:24:07.140 --> 00:24:12.590Speaker 2 (Community Hall): So I was looking at the, berkeley, Creeks.
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Speaker 2 (Community Hall): ordinance and their creek protection instructions. I don't know if you've had a
chance to
18900:24:20.880 --> 00:24:38.470Speaker 2 (Community Hall): look at that at this time, but I think, considering that some people have been building really close to the creeks, and there was a situation a couple years ago where an individual had built double retaining walls and redirected the…
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Speaker 2 (Community Hall): trying to remember what this was. I think it was Stevens Creek. Redirected it and undermined an old oak tree, which, fell into the creek, but Valley Water didn't own to the center, the creek property in this area. The center line of their property was the middle of the creek. So I… it may be that looking at what
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Speaker 2 (Community Hall): Berkeley's doing is something that we want to consider in the future.
19200:25:06.070 --> 00:25:20.060Speaker 2 (Community Hall): or actually probably be starting that now. So I… I really appreciate hearing the suggestion of this riparian zone, but we might call it something slightly different. Councilmember Wong?
19300:25:20.065 --> 00:25:33.664Speaker 9 (Community Hall): I'm thinking this is something we should send to the Planning Commission to look at and do some more work with in the long run, especially for the riparian zone portion, just that portion. I also wanted to check if this is also in a FEMA flood zone as well, because if it is, that also serves
two purposes.
19400:25:33.875 --> 00:25:34.465Speaker 9 (Community Hall): Right, it…
19500:25:34.470 --> 00:25:44.710Speaker 2 (Community Hall): I think it is. Yeah. Yeah, it's all… all along the creek, you'd have that issue.
Okay, so did you have another
19600:25:44.840 --> 00:25:48.760Speaker 2 (Community Hall): Question or comment? Okay, so I think we're ready, unless…
19700:25:49.690 --> 00:25:54.319Speaker 2 (Community Hall): Councilmember Fruen, I haven't heard any questions at this point, okay?
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19900:25:59.265 --> 00:26:05.254Speaker 3 (Community Hall): I don't have any requests in person here at Community Hall, and at this time, I
do not see any hands raised, virtually.
20000:26:05.395 --> 00:26:06.005Speaker 3 (Community Hall): Okay.
20100:26:06.195 --> 00:26:25.904Speaker 2 (Community Hall): So I look at this, agenda item as having kind of two parts. One is, dealing with
the number of, different properties that have some, zoning designations that are inconsistent with our land
use designation, and we need to have some cleanups there.
20200:26:26.485 --> 00:26:29.955Speaker 2 (Community Hall): There was a list within the…
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Speaker 2 (Community Hall): your… the table that you referenced, Table 2, in the…
20400:26:35.325 --> 00:26:54.074Speaker 2 (Community Hall): in the agenda packet, and in the first part, you… they're… the sites are designated by APN, so I went through each one of those into the same interactive land use map, because I
did not know where each one of these properties were. Like, the first one.
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Speaker 2 (Community Hall): APN 32601051. That's a very unusual little
20600:27:01.385 --> 00:27:06.064Speaker 2 (Community Hall): parceled there, and it almost looked, and I don't know if there was, if it was…
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Speaker 2 (Community Hall): not mapped correctly, or if it is mapped correctly, we're owning part of the exit
for the shopping center, because the arrow to turn right was showing up as being within the parcel that we own, and I was wondering how that happened.
20800:27:22.465 --> 00:27:41.055Speaker 2 (Community Hall): So, I think it would help if we had the map for each one of these APNs. I think
most of us already know each one of the named parks, except for I, would like to see Somerset Square. That
one's not ringing a bell.
20900:27:41.765 --> 00:27:51.734Speaker 2 (Community Hall): So, did you… did you want us to go through each one of these, individually, at this time.
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Speaker 2 (Community Hall): like, APN… like, the very first one, I'm not sure what your recommendation
would be, that 1,000 square foot, next to Homestead Road.
21100:28:05.600 --> 00:28:16.809Speaker 5 (Community Hall): It could be do nothing at this time, or it could be just have it consistent with the adjacent public right-of-way, if it's part of that as well.
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Speaker 2 (Community Hall): So…
21300:28:19.270 --> 00:28:30.040Speaker 2 (Community Hall): if we were to remove… it's got a commercial residential designation, if… I would personally be removing that,
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Speaker 2 (Community Hall): And in this one, I think we'd have to look at it and have a discussion about it.
So we would need the map and come up with a plan. So I don't feel like we're ready on this first one to make the call on it.
21500:28:43.720 --> 00:28:59.299Speaker 5 (Community Hall): Well, I think if I can, you know, if we're not ready on the smaller sliver parcels and whatnot, you know, the focus could just be direct staff to look at what's usable park space and city
facilities and focus on that.
21600:29:00.050 --> 00:29:13.589Speaker 2 (Community Hall): Okay, so I would… so if we're going to take… take the first part, which is the issue with the land use designation and zoning, and perhaps we can break… break this item that way,
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Speaker 2 (Community Hall): Personally, I'd like to see if it's a recreational, facility that,
21800:29:21.240 --> 00:29:33.479Speaker 2 (Community Hall): that we not change it to public facilities like Quinlan, I think, should remain. What are our options there that would still fit? Would a parks and open space designation work there?
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Speaker 5 (Community Hall): We, we believe so, as well. Okay.
22000:29:38.060 --> 00:29:49.310Speaker 2 (Community Hall): So, parks and open space can have recreational structures there, no problem. Okay, so, and also the ones that,
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Speaker 2 (Community Hall): the path from Stevens Creek to Creston, I looked at that, and also on Street View, and it's clearly a path. It shouldn't have this low-density designation, so if you could make a recommendation for that, both the zoning and the land use are incorrect.
22200:30:08.010 --> 00:30:10.709Speaker 2 (Community Hall): Parks and open space?
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00:30:11.000 --> 00:30:16.180Speaker 2 (Community Hall): We believe so. Okay, so that seems fairly easy.
22400:30:16.590 --> 00:30:23.549Speaker 2 (Community Hall): And, the… we are… we're questionable on the 35607059.
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Speaker 2 (Community Hall): simply because… well, I mean, we could make that one parks and Open Space at this time. That's the little triangle next to the Stevens Creek Bridge.
22600:30:32.180 --> 00:30:57.100Speaker 2 (Community Hall): adjacent to the creek. So we could make it parks and open space at this time, and then once we've figured out if we're going to do a creek ordinance to further protect it, we could then
do that. Because we are seeing people that are near the creeks that are trying to encroach a little bit on
there, and I think we need to, you know, set a firm rule about that, so that they're not building concrete
structures
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Speaker 2 (Community Hall): Because some… in some areas of the city, the property owner owns to the
center of the creek. In some areas of the city, they just own to the edge of the creek. And if they own to the center, there's some…
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Speaker 2 (Community Hall): Belief that they can build right up as close as they want, which we want to
discourage that in these areas.
22900:31:19.780 --> 00:31:22.510Speaker 2 (Community Hall): Okay, so the next,
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Speaker 2 (Community Hall): 37047, that path, okay, we were just talking about that, so that could be parks
and open space.
23100:31:31.400 --> 00:31:50.270Speaker 2 (Community Hall): the Linda Vista… this is basically the Linda Vista Trail, the, 35605005, and the problem there is the FPO designation for zoning, which would need to change to… PR. PR, okay. And,
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Speaker 2 (Community Hall): So we're… the next one, the…
23300:31:53.300 --> 00:31:58.789Speaker 2 (Community Hall): 32617004PR, Parks and Open Space, that one's fine.
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Speaker 2 (Community Hall): lot adjacent to the Stevens Creek.
23500:32:03.010 --> 00:32:07.409Speaker 2 (Community Hall): The utility structure at Countrywood Development.
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Speaker 2 (Community Hall): What… what is that?
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23800:32:12.230 --> 00:32:17.020Speaker 5 (Community Hall): It's really just this little, tiny… Century Development is what Beautiful.
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Community Hall: Well, it's on…
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Speaker 5 (Community Hall): It's on Deanza Boulevard, on the northwest corner to De Anza and Homestead.
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Speaker 2 (Community Hall): Okay. So if I can pull up a map. Wasn't there a gas station there?
24200:32:29.750 --> 00:32:32.269Speaker 2 (Community Hall): That burned, or something? Yeah, so it's…
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Speaker 5 (Community Hall): Yes. But, so then you have this, this townhome development.
24400:32:36.990 --> 00:32:38.929Speaker 5 (Community Hall): And it's right in this corner.
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Speaker 5 (Community Hall): Right there. If I pull up to the… if I pull up the city…
24600:32:45.240 --> 00:32:49.890Speaker 5 (Community Hall): Shoot, I don't have… Do we have access to the city map on here?
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Speaker 2 (Community Hall): Okay, so this…
24800:32:57.730 --> 00:33:01.910Speaker 2 (Community Hall): So, in the air, you seem to be indicating that the city owns this.
24900:33:02.830 --> 00:33:03.960Speaker 5 (Community Hall): It does.
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25100:33:10.630 --> 00:33:15.029Speaker 5 (Community Hall): Quarter parcel right there. There's a little utility structure.
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Speaker 5 (Community Hall): Okay. City owns, the middle of this residential development.
25300:33:18.760 --> 00:33:21.659Speaker 2 (Community Hall): And about how many square feet is it?
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Speaker 5 (Community Hall): It's probably not even 200, 300.
25500:33:25.770 --> 00:33:28.940Speaker 5 (Community Hall): Okay. Somewhere between 500 to 1,000.
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Speaker 2 (Community Hall): Okay, and is there a problem with the designation, the zoning, and the land
use?
25700:33:33.210 --> 00:33:38.300Speaker 5 (Community Hall): The land use is probably consistent with the use, it's the utility structure. Okay.
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Speaker 2 (Community Hall): it's…
25900:33:39.255 --> 00:33:50.075Speaker 2 (Community Hall): So we'll just move on to the next one, then. Sounds like this one's okay. The Sliver Parcel at the San Fernando entrance to Blackberry Farm, so that…
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Speaker 2 (Community Hall): Is that the little piece of land that we kept after burn?
26100:33:55.405 --> 00:33:57.335Speaker 2 (Community Hall): Or is this different? It's just…
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Speaker 5 (Community Hall): right… it's adjacent to a single-family home, San Fernando.
26300:34:03.665 --> 00:34:15.904Speaker 2 (Community Hall): It's the one that we… it is? Yeah, okay. We kept it for sidewalks, so it shouldn't be residential anymore. So, PR, parks and open space would be fine for that as well? Okay.
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Speaker 2 (Community Hall): Let's see, so we're good with Blackberry Farm Golf Course, Blackberry Farm
Golf, Canyon Oak Park, I think you mentioned this one already. That one should be…
26500:34:30.545 --> 00:34:31.485Speaker 2 (Community Hall): PR.
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Speaker 2 (Community Hall): Right. Okay, City Hall Annex,
26700:34:35.925 --> 00:34:48.384Speaker 2 (Community Hall): It's… it's public facilities. That's correct. Okay, so it's gonna be BA Public Facilities. Correct. Correct? Okay. Civic Center,
26800:34:50.114 --> 00:34:52.445Speaker 2 (Community Hall): Okay, this one needs to be broken out.
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Speaker 5 (Community Hall): Yeah, so what I'll do is let me share my,
27000:34:55.344 --> 00:34:57.634Speaker 5 (Community Hall): I do have this… I don't have a broken…
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Speaker 5 (Community Hall): in half, but I do have.
27200:35:02.500 --> 00:35:03.370Community Hall: the…
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Speaker 5 (Community Hall): I'm gonna share my screen really quick.
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27500:35:15.620 --> 00:35:20.080Speaker 5 (Community Hall): And you can see where Library Field is, so…
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Speaker 5 (Community Hall): We… it is possible to… without having to create a new lot, you could actually…
27700:35:26.250 --> 00:35:32.700Speaker 5 (Community Hall): split an existing lot, just by zoning and general plan land use. So, you know, our suggestion would be to keep
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Speaker 5 (Community Hall): Where the driveway is north as public facilities, and the driveway south as Parks and Recreation.
27900:35:41.980 --> 00:35:55.450Speaker 2 (Community Hall): Or alternatively, we could say Community Hall and the library are really
recreational spaces, perhaps, I don't know, because it is used, kind of, for recreation, and move the
boundary up closer. Or we could actually take
28000:35:56.500 --> 00:36:01.020Speaker 2 (Community Hall): take the whole lot and make it all PR. Make the whole lot, too.
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Speaker 5 (Community Hall): I think it's the same amount… I would say it's the same amount of work. I
mean, I think it's… I think…
28300:36:10.160 --> 00:36:19.269Speaker 5 (Community Hall): librarians, where we are right now is more of a public facility rather than a parks and recreational. I mean, that's… I think that's our recommendation, but…
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Speaker 2 (Community Hall): Okay, so is there a way… well, okay, so if we could go…
28500:36:23.490 --> 00:36:35.450Speaker 2 (Community Hall): take the library, keep that… move the library to Library Field as a Parks Rec, and then we want to… can we get the Civic Center Plaza included with, that…
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Speaker 2 (Community Hall): Parks and, Recreation, Parks and Open Space?
28700:36:40.030 --> 00:36:41.990Speaker 5 (Community Hall): I think it would… I mean, I would think…
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Speaker 7 (Community Hall): I would say, yes, you can. You just need to have a description that delineates
what the boundary is that you want. It would be almost like subdividing, where you're not creating a second
parcel, but just applying the zoning to that portion. You want PR.
28900:36:55.530 --> 00:37:00.980Speaker 7 (Community Hall): so clearly the field would be PR, and then how much more than the field you want to make PR.
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Speaker 7 (Community Hall): you'd have to get a meets and bounds description, plot that, and that would all become PR.
29100:37:07.290 --> 00:37:09.589Speaker 7 (Community Hall): And the offices would remain BA.
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Speaker 2 (Community Hall): And just have the footprint of the buildings be…
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Speaker 7 (Community Hall): Remote to do that as well. I mean, you… That seems easy. Okay.
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Speaker 2 (Community Hall): Okay.
29500:37:23.590 --> 00:37:34.689Speaker 2 (Community Hall): That seems captured well enough. The Corporation Yard, leave it as BA Public Facilities. Creekside Park, make it all PR, parks and open space.
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Speaker 2 (Community Hall): Cupertino Sports Center is fine as it is, Franco Park. I would… I don't agree to change the, the, the traffic
29700:37:44.090 --> 00:37:49.039Speaker 2 (Community Hall): a building area to, parks and Open Space, so I think Franco's fine.
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Speaker 5 (Community Hall): That's our recommendation as well.
29900:37:50.355 --> 00:38:02.644Speaker 2 (Community Hall): Okay, Hoover Park is fine, Jollyman's fine, Lawrence Mitty's fine, Linda Vista's fine, Little Rancho Park, would need to go PR, and then it's fine with Parks and open space.
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Speaker 2 (Community Hall): Mary Avenue Village is fine, McClellan Ranch is fine, Memorial Park,
30100:38:12.645 --> 00:38:16.495Speaker 2 (Community Hall): You wanted to change the trans… is this new?
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Speaker 2 (Community Hall): Or that's, that's current, this transportation part?
30300:38:21.325 --> 00:38:25.424Speaker 5 (Community Hall): Okay, so let's… if you share my screen, I can show you… Oh, but get rid of R3.
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Speaker 2 (Community Hall): Yes, so… Okay.
30500:38:26.610 --> 00:38:32.030Speaker 5 (Community Hall): Alright, okay. So, on the left is the general plan, it's a transportation, so you see a little triangle.
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Speaker 5 (Community Hall): portion right there, that's zone T.
30700:38:34.960 --> 00:38:39.080Speaker 5 (Community Hall): And that's really the entrance in front of the parking lot for the Senior Center.
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Speaker 5 (Community Hall): And then… the zoning is R3, I believe, correct?
30900:38:45.500 --> 00:38:52.930Speaker 2 (Community Hall): 10 to 20. And you recommend that it become… Just PR. PR, okay. So it'll be PR transportation.
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Speaker 2 (Community Hall): Or just, just PR? Or PR, PR, and parks and open space. Understood. Okay,
Monta Vista Rec Center, PR, that's fine. And it encompasses the buildings there. Municipal water tanks, that seems reasonable, BA, Public Facilities, Nathan Hall Tank House.
31100:39:09.820 --> 00:39:27.070Speaker 2 (Community Hall): This was, this is right next to Blue Pheasant. Correct. Okay, so yes, PR parks and open space, because it's kind of a historical facility that they put there, okay. Portal Park is fine, Quinlan
is fine.
31200:39:27.130 --> 00:39:30.360Speaker 2 (Community Hall): San Jose Water Company… no.
31300:39:31.150 --> 00:39:33.640Speaker 2 (Community Hall): Well… It's R1 to 10?
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31500:39:34.405 --> 00:39:41.905Speaker 5 (Community Hall): Back to Quinlan, so you do have conflicting zoning and general plan land use. So, public facilities, and as the.
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31700:39:48.075 --> 00:40:00.935Speaker 2 (Community Hall): I say, yeah, I skipped a line, thank you for catching that. And San Jose Water Company, is this a tank or something? Tanks, correct. Okay, so not R1, not low density, it's,
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Speaker 2 (Community Hall): Is it a BABA public facility?
32000:40:08.245 --> 00:40:10.584Speaker 5 (Community Hall): If you… if you were gonna… I would choose BA.
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32200:40:11.985 --> 00:40:14.575Speaker 2 (Community Hall): Correct. Okay, so it's not going to be…
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Speaker 2 (Community Hall): Overlaid with residential. Somerset Square Park, the restaurant…
32400:40:18.745 --> 00:40:22.124Speaker 9 (Community Hall): Where's 10450, man? Sure.
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Speaker 2 (Community Hall): Okay, and it is… it's 625, so we want to… so that's essentially my motion,
unless we have a change with this,
32600:40:38.530 --> 00:40:40.689Speaker 2 (Community Hall): Last one.
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Speaker 2 (Community Hall): Two months.
32800:40:42.810 --> 00:40:43.590Speaker 2 (Community Hall): Okay.
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Speaker 2 (Community Hall): I believe so.
33000:40:53.480 --> 00:40:54.200Community Hall: Not it.
33100:40:54.620 --> 00:41:00.139
Speaker 9 (Community Hall): I kept getting a house, that's why I was a little confused. Yeah, there it is.
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00:41:00.140 --> 00:41:02.689Speaker 5 (Community Hall): Let's go in the wrong spot on this map.
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Speaker 9 (Community Hall): Thank you, got it. I was looking at a house, I was wondering what was going on with that. No, it did that for me as well, that's why it was on my list.
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Speaker 2 (Community Hall): Is there a… yeah, that's… is it… is… does it incorporate anything? Is it just the
circle?
33500:41:22.340 --> 00:41:34.189Speaker 5 (Community Hall): Yes, in that… in that building right there, so it's… And a building. It mirrors the… pretty much the proportions of the neighboring R1 lots, with the exception that you have a Soundzee Water building as well.
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Speaker 2 (Community Hall): Okay. Do we have to go through any other steps, with the Little Rancho Park and, Canyon Oak Park, because they're residential?
33700:41:47.300 --> 00:41:51.480Speaker 2 (Community Hall): And we're switching it to PR. Is that a housing element issue at all?
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Speaker 7 (Community Hall): I would need to look at the lots to see if they're just remnant pieces where you couldn't build on them. I think that's different than if some of these are large enough, like, I don't know, Memorial Park, it says over 16,000 square feet, if that's accurate.
33900:42:06.410 --> 00:42:10.030Speaker 7 (Community Hall): That could create an issue, because it's enough area to build.
340
00:42:10.560 --> 00:42:14.549Speaker 2 (Community Hall): residences. And not be able to drive into the park.
34100:42:15.560 --> 00:42:21.399Speaker 7 (Community Hall): I mean, I realize none of these are really buildable in a practical sense, but if they were large enough.
342
00:42:22.120 --> 00:42:25.439Speaker 7 (Community Hall): I'd want to at least take a look before I say, no, there's no issue at all.
34300:42:25.950 --> 00:42:27.979Speaker 7 (Community Hall): Because I know this state is…
344
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Speaker 7 (Community Hall): Very adamant about not eliminating residential land use without Offsetting its loss elsewhere. Okay.
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Speaker 2 (Community Hall): So, for, breaking this item into two parts, my motion is that the changes that I, I just suggested will, would come back with, with, with maps, so that we know more precisely what, these sites are, and to make those
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Speaker 2 (Community Hall): Zoning and land use designation.
34700:42:59.375 --> 00:43:08.344Speaker 2 (Community Hall): Changes, and if there's any others that, did not make it on this list, that you would provide… provide those other parcels as well.
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Speaker 9 (Community Hall): Can we vote on a study session item? Second the motion.
34900:43:15.210 --> 00:43:18.400Speaker 6 (Community Hall): So… Thanks, dude.
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Speaker 2 (Community Hall): If you want to have it as direction instead.
35100:43:22.340 --> 00:43:31.759Speaker 8 (Community Hall): City Attorney? We can vote on a study session item, so long as we're not… so long as we're giving direction to staff, but not officially approving something. Perfect.
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Speaker 2 (Community Hall): So we're asking for this to come back with the maps and all, and these are
the… these are the suggestions. Do you have… if you have some other suggestions?
35300:43:39.265 --> 00:43:50.324Speaker 6 (Community Hall): I'm happy to second the motion. And can we also include the size of each lot?
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Speaker 6 (Community Hall): And, for example, the canyon oak, I don't know if it's the entire park, or just a
part of the park, so it'll be nice to… to include that when it comes back. And then I do have a quick question.
So, some of them has pee…
35500:44:05.315 --> 00:44:14.274Speaker 6 (Community Hall): parentheses BA. Some of them has BA. What difference does that make? Should we move all the PBA to BA?
356
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Speaker 5 (Community Hall): The plan… the plan designation just gives flexibility in zoning standards, so… What? Either certain setbacks, depending upon,
357
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Speaker 5 (Community Hall): how flexible the decision maker wants to be, you know, depending on the lot configuration and whatnot. I mean, that's really the only difference when you add a P.
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Speaker 5 (Community Hall): Before Zoeing District.
35900:44:40.270 --> 00:44:43.660Speaker 9 (Community Hall): I would take them off where you can. It's too much flexibility these days.
36000:44:45.190 --> 00:45:00.510
Speaker 2 (Community Hall): I could… when you come back, could, there be a little bit more information
about that, the PBA versus PBA, because we might be voting one way or the other on that. And, so I… I did
not catch who was my seconder.
36100:45:00.660 --> 00:45:02.000Speaker 2 (Community Hall): Vice Mayor was.
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Speaker 9 (Community Hall): Okay.
36300:45:02.765 --> 00:45:08.005Speaker 2 (Community Hall): Oh. Would you like to have that added? Yeah.
36400:45:08.005 --> 00:45:24.504
Speaker 6 (Community Hall): Okay. And, also, so the San Jose Water Company parcel is as large as a single-
family home, so that might also have some issue with rezoning, so that should be looked into also.
36500:45:24.615 --> 00:45:34.934Speaker 2 (Community Hall): Yes, so I'm not seeing any further hands raised. I believe we're ready to, do a roll call vote, since we have one remote attendee.
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Speaker 2 (Community Hall): Oh, and .
36700:45:36.735 --> 00:45:37.765Speaker 6 (Community Hall): -
36800:45:37.935 --> 00:45:45.895
Speaker 6 (Community Hall): And that includes… But we cannot vote on that. To include the parcel, we are
going to…
36900:45:46.175 --> 00:45:49.995Speaker 6 (Community Hall): Oh, yeah, we can do that later.
370
00:45:50.325 --> 00:45:53.424Speaker 6 (Community Hall): We cannot include that in the motion, yeah, okay.
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Speaker 2 (Community Hall): You can suggest any other parcels, and I can…
37200:45:58.075 --> 00:46:00.345Speaker 6 (Community Hall): Steph can suggest when it comes back.
37300:46:00.345 --> 00:46:03.174
Speaker 5 (Community Hall): I mean, yeah, I mean, these are all the city-owned parcels.
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00:46:03.640 --> 00:46:07.330Speaker 11 (Community Hall): I'll believe there's any further parcels to add to this list? At this time, okay.
37500:46:07.335 --> 00:46:11.285Speaker 2 (Community Hall): Madam City Clerk? Okay. Councilmember Fern?
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J.R. Fruen, Councilmember: Bye.
37700:46:14.680 --> 00:46:16.430Speaker 3 (Community Hall): Councilmember Mohan? Aye.
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Speaker 3 (Community Hall): Councilmember Wong? Aye.
37900:46:18.790 --> 00:46:20.110Speaker 3 (Community Hall): Vice Mayor Cho?
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Speaker 3 (Community Hall): Aye. Mayor Moore? Aye. Motion carries unanimously. Okay, thank you.
38100:46:24.745 --> 00:46:37.684Speaker 2 (Community Hall): Thank you, wonderful. So, the next part is with regards to the ballot measure, and is anyone prepared to make a motion on having a parkland ballot measure?
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Speaker 9 (Community Hall): I'd be happy to.
38300:46:40.580 --> 00:46:43.249Speaker 9 (Community Hall): So, just trying to find the text.
384
00:46:43.370 --> 00:46:44.179Speaker 9 (Community Hall): That's true.
385
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Speaker 9 (Community Hall): beat.
38600:46:46.050 --> 00:46:48.050Speaker 9 (Community Hall): Is that on the agenda, if you're asking?
38700:46:48.050 --> 00:46:52.539
Speaker 8 (Community Hall): I'm sure that part of the… This is not on the agenda. Yeah. No?
388
00:46:52.705 --> 00:46:54.775Speaker 2 (Community Hall): It's not in the staff report?
38900:46:54.775 --> 00:47:02.044Speaker 8 (Community Hall): I think it was referenced in the staff report, just because the two go hand in
hand, but today we're just talking about the zoning changes.
390
00:47:03.050 --> 00:47:05.269Speaker 2 (Community Hall): Oh, okay.
39100:47:06.010 --> 00:47:06.380Speaker 11 (Community Hall): Mayor.
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Speaker 2 (Community Hall): Yes, vice versa.
39300:47:07.135 --> 00:47:11.284Speaker 6 (Community Hall): So we are moving forward with that, and it will come.
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Speaker 6 (Community Hall): Before the deadline, right? Before the August deadline, right?
39500:47:17.440 --> 00:47:19.109Speaker 9 (Community Hall): Nathan's gonna provide a timeline.
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Speaker 7 (Community Hall): Good evening, Honorable Mayor and Council Members. Yes, currently we are in
the process of a polling. It is set to conclude at the end of this week.
39700:47:37.370 --> 00:47:51.169Speaker 12 (Community Hall): And based off of those results, we'll return back to Council on July 7th, at
which point Council will provide direction to staff whether to pursue not just the parkland ballot measure, but
also the UUT.
39800:47:51.590 --> 00:47:54.275Speaker 12 (Community Hall): ballot measure
399
00:47:56.780 --> 00:48:11.389Speaker 2 (Community Hall): Wonderful. Okay, so in this agenda item, we've clarified the zoning and land use designations, and at our next meeting, we're going to be discussing whether or not we will be protecting those same parcels.
40000:48:11.390 --> 00:48:23.739
Speaker 2 (Community Hall): Okay, looks like I've jumped an agenda ahead. Getting a little too efficient.
Okay, and with that, are there any other further comments from the council members?
40100:48:25.000 --> 00:48:27.529Speaker 2 (Community Hall): Then we are adjourned. Thank you very much.
40201:02:21.330 --> 01:02:31.680
Speaker 2 (Community Hall): Good evening, it is 647, and I call this June 16th, 2026, regular meeting of the
Cupertino City Council to order. Please stand for the Pledge of Allegiance.
40301:02:34.920 --> 01:02:40.579Speaker 2 (Community Hall): I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the Republic for which.
404
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Speaker 6 (Community Hall): expense.
40501:02:41.355 --> 01:02:42.455Speaker 10 (Community Hall): One issue.
40601:02:42.460 --> 01:02:46.970
Speaker 6 (Community Hall): under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.
40701:02:49.130 --> 01:02:51.469Speaker 2 (Community Hall): Madam City Clerk, will you please call the roll?
40801:02:54.750 --> 01:02:55.969Speaker 3 (Community Hall): Councilmember Fruman?
409
01:02:56.290 --> 01:02:57.080J.R. Fruen, Councilmember: Error.
410
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Speaker 3 (Community Hall): Councilmember Mohan? Here. Councilmember Wong? Here.
41101:03:01.410 --> 01:03:03.859Speaker 3 (Community Hall): Vice Mayor Cho? Here. Mayor Moore?
412
01:03:04.215 --> 01:03:09.865Speaker 2 (Community Hall): present, and Madam City Clerk, will you please, provide the location information?
41301:03:09.865 --> 01:03:26.554Speaker 3 (Community Hall): Yes, thank you, Mayor. So, Mayor, Vice Mayor, and Councilmembers, and
members of the public, as a reminder, Councilmember Ferwin is participating remotely this evening. We have
not heard from any members of the public that they plan to participate in tonight's meeting from
Councilmember Ferwin's remote location. Councilmember Fruen.
41401:03:26.935 --> 01:03:36.634Speaker 3 (Community Hall): Are you in the Hotel Lobby Business Center of the Fairfield by Marriott Inn & Suites in Salt Lake City, Utah? And can you confirm your location is open and available to the public?
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J.R. Fruen, Councilmember: Yes, I can so confirm.
41601:03:40.150 --> 01:03:47.939Speaker 3 (Community Hall): Thank you. And yeah, you can… can you confirm that you posted the agenda at your location as well? I know I asked you this in the…
417
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J.R. Fruen, Councilmember: So confirm… I can also confirm that I have posted the agenda and provided
photographic evidence.
41801:03:55.010 --> 01:04:04.880Speaker 3 (Community Hall): Thank you. And are there any individuals over the age of 18 with you, and has anyone indicated to you that they intend to make public comment or address the Council this evening?
419
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J.R. Fruen, Councilmember: No.
42001:04:07.350 --> 01:04:14.350Speaker 3 (Community Hall): Thank you. I'll rely on you to notify me if any member of the public wishes to speak from your location. Thank you.
421
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Speaker 2 (Community Hall): Thank you. Madam City Attorney, do we have a closed session report?
422
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Speaker 8 (Community Hall): We do. Yesterday evening, the Council met in closed session. They discussed the item on the agenda, and there's no reportable action that was taken. Thank you.
423
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Speaker 2 (Community Hall): All right, thank you. We have no ceremonial items. Next, are there any
postponements and orders of the day? I would like to request a, move and order of the day item that we
hear item 7 prior to item 6. Do I have a second?
42401:04:48.500 --> 01:04:49.310J.R. Fruen, Councilmember: Becky.
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Speaker 2 (Community Hall): Thank you. I don't believe we have any deliberation on this, Madam City
Attorney.
42601:04:55.960 --> 01:05:03.480Speaker 2 (Community Hall): We just go straight to a vote. Yes, that's fine. Okay, thank you. Madam City Clerk, will you please conduct the roll call vote? Councilmember Fruen.
427
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J.R. Fruen, Councilmember: Bye.
42801:05:05.220 --> 01:05:10.069Speaker 3 (Community Hall): Councilmember Mohan? Aye. Councilmember Wong? Aye. Vice Mayor Chow?
429
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Speaker 3 (Community Hall): Aye. Mayor Moore? Aye. Motion carries unanimously. All right.
43001:05:14.890 --> 01:05:20.530Speaker 2 (Community Hall): Now we move on to oral communications. How many speaker cards do we have for oral communications?
431
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Speaker 3 (Community Hall): Mayor… At this moment, I believe we have two requests to speak in person.
43201:06:02.170 --> 01:06:05.429Speaker 3 (Community Hall): And I currently see one hand raised virtually.
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Speaker 2 (Community Hall): Okay, Madam City Clerk, will you please provide the instructions and conduct
oral communications?
43401:06:12.715 --> 01:06:21.204Speaker 3 (Community Hall): This portion of the meeting is reserved for persons wishing to address the
Council on any matter within the jurisdiction of the Council, and not on the agenda for discussion.
435
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Speaker 3 (Community Hall): Rural communication shall be limited to 30 minutes. Additional speakers wishing to comment on non-agenda items may be given time to speak at the end of the agenda after the City Manager's report. Individual speakers are limited to 3 minutes. As necessary, the chair may further limit the time allowed to individual speakers, or reschedule remaining comments to the end of the meeting on a first-come, first-served basis, with priority given to students. In most cases, state law will
436
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Speaker 3 (Community Hall): prohibit the Council from discussing or making any decisions with respect to a
matter not listed on the agenda. A Councilmember may, however, briefly respond to statements made or questions posed by speakers. A council member may also ask a question for clarification, provide a reference for factual information, request staff to report back concerning a matter, or request that an item be added to a future City Council agenda in response to public comment.
43701:07:09.955 --> 01:07:23.764
Speaker 3 (Community Hall): And members of the public wishing to speak regarding oral communications,
shall, submit a request to speak card or raise their hand virtually within the first 9 minutes of the start of the
public comment period, or before the public comment period is closed, whichever comes first.
43801:07:24.855 --> 01:07:32.085Speaker 3 (Community Hall): So, I believe this is for Oral Communications. Jennifer Chen, noise?
439
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Speaker 3 (Community Hall): Is this for oral communications, or is this for the, budget CIP discussion?
44001:07:40.870 --> 01:07:49.479Speaker 2 (Community Hall): For instance, if it's regarding Pickleball or the sheriff's contract, SROs, that would need to be heard for that particular agenda item.
441
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Speaker 3 (Community Hall): So, that'll be heard at the next, or the budget item, number 6.
44201:07:55.265 --> 01:08:04.064Speaker 3 (Community Hall): Okay, so next, we have a group mayor, elder aide, and Deepali.
44301:08:04.855 --> 01:08:05.745
Speaker 3 (Community Hall): Welcome.
44401:08:18.415 --> 01:08:36.154Speaker 3 (Community Hall): And, so the video was not able to get, reviewed in time, since we just received it, so I apologize, we're not able to view that, and play that for you at this time. But since you are presenting a group, you'll have up to 4 minutes to speak. Correct, Mayor? We are… are we…
445
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Speaker 2 (Community Hall): I did not reduce it, there were too few speakers for this panel.
44601:08:41.345 --> 01:08:43.634Speaker 3 (Community Hall): Thank you, so you'll have 4 minutes to speak this evening.
447
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Speaker 3 (Community Hall): Good evening, everyone. My name is Deepali, and I.
44801:08:48.580 --> 01:08:53.730Speaker 10 (Community Hall): I represent, an app that we have made called Elder Aid.
449
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Speaker 13 (Community Hall): is an app which connects seniors in the community with the local…
45001:08:58.865 --> 01:08:59.535Speaker 10 (Community Hall): item.
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Speaker 13 (Community Hall): So, if there are senior citizens, who need help, they can use the app to list the
tasks they need help with, and local volunteers who are registered on the app can see the task listed, and
hence pick up, and if they're interested, they can pick up the task and go help the senior. So, thanks to the City of Cupertino for its support, and the grant that we received.
45201:09:21.660 --> 01:09:26.300Speaker 13 (Community Hall): Which, because of this, we were able to make a lot of improvements in the app.
453
01:09:26.399 --> 01:09:41.679Speaker 13 (Community Hall): Now, the app can actually… for the seniors, they can just talk to the app in any language that they want, and the app helps them to create the task and everything. The video was going to show that, and unfortunately, we did not plan it, so we can't show the video.
45401:09:41.680 --> 01:09:47.670
Speaker 13 (Community Hall): But we have added new features to make it easier for seniors to request help
and for volunteers to
45501:09:47.670 --> 01:09:56.570Speaker 13 (Community Hall): find meaningful opportunities to serve. Our goal remains simple. Connect seniors who need assistance with trusted volunteers who are willing to help.
456
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Speaker 13 (Community Hall): One thing we have learned is that the biggest challenge is not building the
technology, it's reaching the people who can benefit from it. Seniors often learn about elder Aid through
trusted community organizations, while volunteers learn about opportunities through word of mouth and local networks.
457
01:10:13.240 --> 01:10:22.409Speaker 13 (Community Hall): We are planning to increase our outreach efforts through the Senior Center and other community organizations, but we would greatly appreciate City's help in that.
458
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Speaker 13 (Community Hall): We would welcome any opportunities to connect with seniors and potential
volunteers through city communication channels, community events, newsletters, volunteer programs, or any other outreach efforts that you think may be appropriate.
45901:10:38.160 --> 01:10:45.970Speaker 13 (Community Hall): Specifically, if the City could help us share information about Elder Aid through the Senior Center Newsletter, City Newsletter.
460
01:10:45.970 --> 01:11:01.790Speaker 13 (Community Hall): any volunteer programs, community events, or other city outreach channels, it would make a tremendous difference. We would also appreciate any guidance or introduction to organizations that serve seniors and community-minded volunteers throughout Cupertino.
46101:11:01.950 --> 01:11:16.909
Speaker 13 (Community Hall): Elderaid is a local non-profit built here in Cupertino, and our mission is to help
neighbors support neighbors. With the city's partnership, we believe we can reach many more seniors who
need assistance, and volunteers who are eager to give back.
46201:11:17.120 --> 01:11:22.439Speaker 13 (Community Hall): We would welcome the opportunity to work more closely with the city as Elder Ed continues to grow.
463
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Speaker 13 (Community Hall): If any, council member or city staff member would like to discuss Elderaid in
more detail or share ideas how we can better reach seniors and volunteers in our community, we can be contacted at elderaid team at gmail.com. We would love to continue this conversation.
46401:11:39.140 --> 01:11:44.869Speaker 13 (Community Hall): And thank you for Citi's continued support, and for helping us strengthen
connections with our community.
465
01:11:44.870 --> 01:11:49.980Speaker 13 (Community Hall): Okay, so we will actually send an email because we could not show the YouTube video.
46601:11:50.140 --> 01:11:58.390
Speaker 13 (Community Hall): So, we will appreciate if you can go through it and take a look at it. It's just 2-
minute videos, it will speak, aloud, and it will show you the.
46701:11:58.395 --> 01:12:11.205Speaker 14 (Community Hall): features that are supported in it, with AI, and actually, we also have language
support now, so people can talk in their own language. So, thank you so much for your time. Thank you.
468
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Speaker 14 (Community Hall): Thank you.
46901:12:14.090 --> 01:12:21.860Speaker 3 (Community Hall): Mayor, at this time, we will move to the request to speak virtually. We have one hand raised, so at this time, we will go ahead and welcome Connie.
470
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Connie Cunningham: Oh, good evening, thank you. Can you hear me?
47101:12:28.270 --> 01:12:29.470Speaker 3 (Community Hall): We can hear you.
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Connie Cunningham: Okay, thank you. Good evening, Honorable Mayor Moore, Vice Mayor, and Council
Members. I'm Connie Cunningham, 39-year resident, housing commissioner, speaking for myself only.
47301:12:41.810 --> 01:12:53.550Connie Cunningham: We live in a beautiful city, with beautiful weather and many amenities for community use, along with community gatherings places. We are in Santa Clara County, within the state of California.
474
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Connie Cunningham: Just 39 miles south, in Santa Clara County is Gilroy, the garlic capital of the world. People come from all over to visit there to taste garlic ice cream and to have a good time.
47501:13:05.700 --> 01:13:10.099Connie Cunningham: Lauren, could you at this time please share the screen of the photo that I sent?
476
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Speaker 3 (Community Hall): Yes, it is… I'm sharing screen now.
47701:13:15.110 --> 01:13:21.789Connie Cunningham: Okay, thank you, Lauren, I appreciate that. Soon, Gilroy will be famous for something horrific.
478
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Connie Cunningham: Inhumane. Part of a growing number of locations for detention camps for immigrants before they are quickly and illegally sent out of the country without being allowed to argue their case before a judge. Deportation without due process is kidnapping.
47901:13:38.850 --> 01:13:51.129
Connie Cunningham: As other cities are considering, I exhort City Council to join Cupertino Voices with Santa
Clara County and the State of California to block an ICE facility near Gilroy.
48001:13:51.480 --> 01:14:05.220Connie Cunningham: On Wednesday, June 10th, 6 days ago, Santa Clara County joined forces with California Attorney General Rob Bonta to file a lawsuit to block the illegal development of an ICE facility near Gilroy.
481
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Connie Cunningham: Earlier, I forwarded the county's email.
48201:14:08.730 --> 01:14:28.490Connie Cunningham: Included are links to an article by San Jose Spotlight, also the full 175-page report by Attorney General Bonta, also the county's full press release of the five distinct federal and state laws being violated, and the full news conference that you can watch.
483
01:14:28.760 --> 01:14:43.619Connie Cunningham: I so deeply appreciate the words of Tony Lopresi, County Council of Santa Clara County. He says, we are ready, we are willing, and we are able to hold the federal government accountable in the courts.
48401:14:44.190 --> 01:14:49.970
Connie Cunningham: The planned detention facility will be 20,000 square feet and can hold 150 people.
48501:14:50.120 --> 01:14:54.590Connie Cunningham: The property is not zoned for this. It is zoned for agricultural use.
48601:14:55.220 --> 01:15:09.059Connie Cunningham: You can email the county at district5 at bos.scccgov.org about this stand that they
have taken.
48701:15:09.350 --> 01:15:23.150Connie Cunningham: I exhort City Council to join Cupertino Voices with Santa Clara County and the State of California to block an ICE facility near Gilroy. We are stronger together.
48801:15:23.600 --> 01:15:26.230
Connie Cunningham: Thank you so much for this time to speak.
48901:15:30.510 --> 01:15:31.549Speaker 3 (Community Hall): Thank you, Connie.
49001:15:34.040 --> 01:15:39.910Speaker 3 (Community Hall): And… Mayor, I do not see any further hands raised virtually.
491
01:15:40.630 --> 01:15:47.140Speaker 2 (Community Hall): All right, thank you. Our next item is the Consent Calendar, Items 1 through 5. Madam City Clerk, have any items been pulled?
492
01:15:47.740 --> 01:15:53.440Speaker 2 (Community Hall): No, Mayor. Okay. Are there any requests to pull an item from the Council at this time?
493
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Speaker 2 (Community Hall): I'm not seeing any hands raised.
49401:15:59.300 --> 01:16:04.410Speaker 2 (Community Hall): Madam City Clerk, do we have any members of the public who would like to comment on the consent calendar?
495
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Speaker 3 (Community Hall): No request to speak in person, and no hands raised virtually, Mayor. Okay.
49601:16:10.145 --> 01:16:12.555Speaker 2 (Community Hall): Do I have a motion to approve the consent calendar?
497
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Speaker 2 (Community Hall): Motion.
49801:16:13.250 --> 01:16:15.389Speaker 9 (Community Hall): to approve the consent calendar? And a second.
49901:16:15.610 --> 01:16:16.460
Speaker 9 (Community Hall): Second.
500
01:16:17.240 --> 01:16:28.539Speaker 2 (Community Hall): Thank you. So, moved by Councilmember, Wong and seconded by Councilmember Mohan. Any comments from the Council on this item? Vice Mayor, your hand is raised.
50101:16:28.900 --> 01:16:34.450
Speaker 2 (Community Hall): Is that a relic? Okay. Madam City Clerk, will you please conduct the roll call
vote?
50201:16:35.220 --> 01:16:36.530Speaker 3 (Community Hall): Councilmember Ferwin?
50301:16:37.000 --> 01:16:37.930
J.R. Fruen, Councilmember: Bye.
504
01:16:38.570 --> 01:16:40.399Speaker 3 (Community Hall): Councilmember Mohan? Aye.
505
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Speaker 3 (Community Hall): Councilmember Wong? Aye.
50601:16:42.430 --> 01:16:43.770Speaker 3 (Community Hall): Vice Mayor Chao?
507
01:16:44.410 --> 01:16:49.410Speaker 3 (Community Hall): Aye. Mayor Moore? Aye. Motion carries unanimously. Great, thank you.
50801:16:49.415 --> 01:16:50.065Speaker 2 (Community Hall): you.
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Speaker 2 (Community Hall): Next, because we have changed the order, we're moving to the action calendar. Item 7, to amend the existing agreement with Santa Clara County for law enforcement services. Madam City Manager, do we have a presentation?
51001:17:04.450 --> 01:17:12.590Speaker 4 (Community Hall): Thank you, Mayor. This is the proposed amendment to the City's agreement
with the Santa Clara County Sheriff's Office for Law Enforcement Services.
51101:17:12.600 --> 01:17:29.710Speaker 4 (Community Hall): I will provide a brief introduction, and before we turn over to, staff for presentation. So, public safety remains our highest priority, and for decades, Cupertino has partnered with the Sheriff's Office to provide law enforcement services to our community. The current agreement, which expires on June 30th.
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Speaker 4 (Community Hall): We have been negotiating over the past year.
51301:17:34.040 --> 01:17:55.900Speaker 4 (Community Hall): Cupertino staff in collaboration with our partner cities of Saratoga and Los Altos Hills to engage in negotiations with the county regarding a successor agreement. The county's proposal includes significant changes to both the cost structure and the methodology, which results in a significant
cost increase, greatly impacting the city's long-term financial outlook.
514
01:17:55.900 --> 01:18:13.839Speaker 4 (Community Hall): We are undertaking a thorough review of this proposal and have partnered with the other contract cities to seek additional information to negotiate reasonable terms, including an independent assessment and review of the county's cost allocation methodology to evaluate compliance and applicable state law.
515
01:18:13.920 --> 01:18:34.800
Speaker 4 (Community Hall): The recommendation before you tonight is not the approval of a long-term
agreement. Rather, it's authorization for staff to continue negotiations and execute a short-term extension through September 30th of this year, which is intended to ensure continuity of services, law enforcement services in the city, while negotiations and analysis continue.
51601:18:34.800 --> 01:18:45.850Speaker 4 (Community Hall): Staff remains committed in negotiating in the best interest of Cupertino, maintaining transparency with the Council and community, and ensuring that decisions are grounded in service needs.
517
01:18:45.850 --> 01:19:03.329Speaker 4 (Community Hall): fiscal responsibility, and the safety of our residents. I also want to acknowledge and thank Mayor Moore for all your work, serving on the Ad Hoc Committee, with the two other contract cities of Saratoga and Los Altos Hills, and also want to thank Jonathan Orozco and Michael Wu, who've been assisting me in this effort.
518
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Speaker 4 (Community Hall): With that, we will begin with the staff presentation, after which Council will
have an opportunity to ask questions, hear public comment, and provide direction.
51901:19:11.240 --> 01:19:11.920Speaker 12 (Community Hall): Jonathan?
520
01:19:12.110 --> 01:19:17.870
Speaker 12 (Community Hall): Thank you, City Manager Kapoor, and good evening, Honorable Mayor Moore
and Council Members.
52101:19:21.420 --> 01:19:29.209Speaker 12 (Community Hall): As Council is aware, the City's current agreement with Santa Clara County for law enforcement services expires on June 30th, 2026.
522
01:19:29.400 --> 01:19:31.620
Speaker 12 (Community Hall): Recognizing that the negotiation
52301:19:31.850 --> 01:19:46.150Speaker 12 (Community Hall): of a new contract for such critical services would last… would take time, the West Valley Cities, Cupertino, Saratoga, and Los Altos Hills began requesting information from the county as early as July 2025.
524
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Speaker 12 (Community Hall): Over the following 6 months, the cities repeatedly requested a formal proposal in order to begin meaningful negotiations and evaluate the potential fiscal impacts.
52501:19:55.590 --> 01:20:03.090Speaker 12 (Community Hall): While discussions occurred during that period, there were little indication of
the magnitude of the increase that would ultimately be proposed.
526
01:20:03.880 --> 01:20:21.389Speaker 12 (Community Hall): The county's first proposal was received on December 31st, 2025. Since that time, City Staff, Legal Counsel, City Council, Ad Hoc Committee, and the representatives from other contract
cities have participated in numerous meetings with the county staff and sheriff's Office personnel
527
01:20:21.640 --> 01:20:24.930
Speaker 12 (Community Hall): To better understand the proposal and negotiate revisions.
52801:20:25.700 --> 01:20:42.659Speaker 12 (Community Hall): Those efforts resulted in revised proposals issued on April 10th and April 13th. Negotiations remain ongoing today, and extensions before Council is intended to provide additional time to
complete those discussions while ensuring uninterrupted law enforcement services.
529
01:20:45.900 --> 01:20:54.260Speaker 12 (Community Hall): This slide illustrates the county's proposal, how it has evolved since the first… since it was first presented.
53001:20:54.440 --> 01:21:05.580
Speaker 12 (Community Hall): Under the current agreement, Cupertino pays approximately $19 million
annually for law enforcement services. The county's initial proposal, received on December 35th.
53101:21:05.760 --> 01:21:14.950Speaker 12 (Community Hall): would have increased the amount by approximately $7.5 million, representing a 39.6% increase beginning July 1st, 2026.
532
01:21:15.850 --> 01:21:29.399
Speaker 12 (Community Hall): Following the extensive negotiations by the three contract cities, the county
provided revised proposals, culminating in the April 13 proposal. While the revised proposal reduced
Cupertino's cost by approximately $1.1 million.
53301:21:29.400 --> 01:21:39.309Speaker 12 (Community Hall): The proposed increase remains significant and continues to raise questions regarding the methodology used to allocate certain administrative and support costs.
534
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Speaker 12 (Community Hall): It is important to note that the cities recognize the impact of the salary and benefit increases negotiated by the county, and understand that contract costs will increase over time.
53501:21:50.320 --> 01:21:57.709Speaker 12 (Community Hall): The remaining concern is not whether the costs have increased, but rather how certain costs are being allocated to the contract cities.
536
01:22:00.590 --> 01:22:06.130Speaker 12 (Community Hall): Throughout negotiations, the cities have constantly focused on one primary issue.
53701:22:06.350 --> 01:22:13.119Speaker 12 (Community Hall): Ensuring that the costs allocated to the contract cities are appropriate,
transparent, and consistent with state law.
53801:22:13.900 --> 01:22:33.019Speaker 12 (Community Hall): Specifically, Government Code Section 51350 requires that counties charge contract cities for costs incurred in providing the contracted service, while prohibiting counties from allocating certain general governmental overhead costs that would exist regardless whether the services
were provided to a city.
53901:22:33.740 --> 01:22:46.100Speaker 12 (Community Hall): The cities have requested additional information regarding several categories of costs included in the county's proposal, and have worked collaboratively with the county staff to better understand the allocation methodology.
540
01:22:46.570 --> 01:22:51.950
Speaker 12 (Community Hall): While progress has been made, the cities believe that an independent review
of the most appropriate way
54101:22:52.220 --> 01:22:54.519Speaker 12 (Community Hall): Sorry, is the most appropriate way to
542
01:22:54.650 --> 01:23:00.159
Speaker 12 (Community Hall): Objectively evaluate the methodology and provide confidence to all priorities
moving forward.
54301:23:03.820 --> 01:23:11.469Speaker 12 (Community Hall): In response to those concerns, the cities jointly pursued an independent third-party assessment of the county's cost allocation methodology.
544
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Speaker 12 (Community Hall): Following a procurement process, Vasquez & Company has selected… was
selected to perform a review. The assessment is expected to begin no later this month, and conclude, or no later this week, and conclude in late July or early August.
54501:23:28.030 --> 01:23:46.749Speaker 12 (Community Hall): The purpose of the assessment is not to evaluate deputy performance,
staffing levels, or service quality. Rather, it is intended to determine whether the methodology used to
allocate costs to the contract cities is consistent with the applicable law, and whether the charges are
appropriately attributed to services provided to the cities.
54601:23:47.190 --> 01:23:58.159Speaker 12 (Community Hall): Staff believe an independent assessment will provide valuable information to both the cities and the county, and help establish a common understanding as negotiations continue.
547
01:24:02.410 --> 01:24:03.870
Speaker 12 (Community Hall): On May 26.
54801:24:06.040 --> 01:24:07.250
Community Hall: I'm a little too far.
549
01:24:07.250 --> 01:24:11.340
Speaker 12 (Community Hall): May 26th, representatives from the three counties, from the three cities.
55001:24:11.560 --> 01:24:22.850Speaker 12 (Community Hall): met with the County Executive, James Williams, and county staff to discuss a path forward. During that meeting, County indicated a willingness to consider a short-term extension of
approximately 12 weeks.
551
01:24:23.110 --> 01:24:34.710Speaker 12 (Community Hall): The county further indicated that the extension pricing would generally be based on the April 13th proposal, subject to any service level changes requested by the participating cities.
55201:24:35.360 --> 01:24:44.390
Speaker 12 (Community Hall): The parties also discussed including a mechanism that would allow the results
of the Vasquez assessment to be considered as part of future negotiations.
55301:24:45.070 --> 01:24:53.900Speaker 12 (Community Hall): Staff use the extension as an opportunity to complete the assessment, continue negotiations in good faith, and provide a make… provide…
554
01:24:54.300 --> 01:25:00.869
Speaker 12 (Community Hall): Excuse me. And avoid making a long-term commitment before all parties have
the benefit of an independent review.
55501:25:04.870 --> 01:25:13.089Speaker 12 (Community Hall): As part of the negotiations, Council may wish to consider whether any service level adjustment should be incorporated into the extension period.
556
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Speaker 12 (Community Hall): Under the current agreement, the city contracts for two school resource
officers, approximately 4.4 traffic enforcement officers, and about 25.5 general law enforcement officers.
55701:25:25.190 --> 01:25:33.119Speaker 12 (Community Hall): One option discussed during negotiations is the temporary reduction of two school resources officers, or SROs.
558
01:25:33.530 --> 01:25:50.979
Speaker 12 (Community Hall): Because schools are closed during a significant portion of the proposed extension period, staff believes the option results in consideration of the potential cost savings measure. However, as of the latest proposal, the county did not extend a
55901:25:51.080 --> 01:25:56.259Speaker 12 (Community Hall): The ability to reduce any service levels during the extension period.
560
01:25:56.800 --> 01:26:05.950Speaker 12 (Community Hall): No recommendation is being made tonight regarding the permanent service level reductions. Rather, Council's staff is seeking Council direction regarding
561
01:26:06.070 --> 01:26:12.079
Speaker 12 (Community Hall): Of what level service level should be included during the ongoing negotiations
with the county.
56201:26:17.010 --> 01:26:25.299Speaker 12 (Community Hall): One of the reasons staff wanted to include these forecasted slides is to illustrate that this discussion is larger than a 12-week extension.
563
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Speaker 12 (Community Hall): The decisions made regarding law enforcement services will have long-term implications to the city's financial outlook, and understanding the context is important for the Council
56401:26:35.450 --> 01:26:38.119Speaker 12 (Community Hall): as Council considers the available options.
565
01:26:38.740 --> 01:26:45.640
Speaker 12 (Community Hall): This slide shows the 10-year general fund forecast that was presented to Council as part of last year's adopted budget.
56601:26:47.800 --> 01:26:51.759Speaker 12 (Community Hall): At this time, the city's financial outlook was relatively stable.
567
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Speaker 12 (Community Hall): Revenues and expenditures generally remain in a balance
56801:26:55.660 --> 01:27:01.669Speaker 12 (Community Hall): Imbalanced throughout the forecast period, with only modest deficits appearing in the final years of projection.
569
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Speaker 12 (Community Hall): Importantly, those deficits were relatively small. Even in the final years of the forecast, the projected shortfall was less than $1 million. The forecast indicated that Citi could largely maintain the existing service levels while preserving a healthy fund balance.
57001:27:16.670 --> 01:27:28.320Speaker 12 (Community Hall): This forecast was prepared before the county's December 31st proposal, and
therefore reflects assumptions that did not include the significant increase of law enforcement costs currently
under discussion.
57101:27:28.610 --> 01:27:36.559Speaker 12 (Community Hall): As a result, it provides a useful baseline for understanding how the city's
financial outlook has changed over the last 6 months.
572
01:27:39.050 --> 01:27:47.730
Speaker 12 (Community Hall): This… this slide shows the updated 10-year forecast included in the proposed fiscal year 26-27 budget, which will be discussed later tonight.
57301:27:47.980 --> 01:27:59.700Speaker 12 (Community Hall): While the city continues to project modest surpluses in the first several years,
primarily due to the anticipated vacancy savings and conservative expenditure assumptions, the long-term
picture changes significantly.
57401:28:00.440 --> 01:28:07.600Speaker 12 (Community Hall): Beginning later in the forecast period, expenditures begin to outpace revenues, resulting in recurring structural deficits.
575
01:28:08.250 --> 01:28:13.350
Speaker 12 (Community Hall): By the final year of the forecast, the projected annual deficit exceeds $10
million.
57601:28:14.380 --> 01:28:27.290Speaker 12 (Community Hall): There are several contributing factors, including normal growth in personal and operating costs, an eventual expiration of the UUT, or user utility tax, or utility user tax, and the increased cost of law enforcement services.
577
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Speaker 12 (Community Hall): It is important to note that the forecast assumes the annual increase in the sheriff's contract of approximately CPI plus 2.
57801:28:35.180 --> 01:28:39.079Speaker 12 (Community Hall): 2%. This assumption was selected
579
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Speaker 12 (Community Hall): As it is part of the current contract. However, in fact, the county's current proposal does not include an annual cap on future increases.
58001:28:48.970 --> 01:28:59.360Speaker 12 (Community Hall): As a result, if future contract increases exceed the assumptions used in the forecast, the city's long-term financial outlook could be materially worse than what is shown here.
581
01:29:00.530 --> 01:29:06.920Speaker 12 (Community Hall): What these two slides demonstrate is the city's fiscal outlook has shifted considerably over the last year.
58201:29:07.130 --> 01:29:17.230Speaker 12 (Community Hall): Last year's forecast reflects a largely structurally balanced budget, whereas
today's forecast reflects recurring deficit much more… much more often than the 10-year forecast.
58301:29:18.060 --> 01:29:26.020Speaker 12 (Community Hall): This does not mean the City faces an immediate financial challenge. The City maintains healthy reserves and significant financial flexibility.
584
01:29:26.200 --> 01:29:27.469
Speaker 12 (Community Hall): However, it doesn't…
58501:29:27.770 --> 01:29:38.359Speaker 12 (Community Hall): It does underscore the importance of ensuring that the city fully understands the long-term financial implications of the new law enforcement agreement before entering a long-term commitment.
586
01:29:39.050 --> 01:29:47.420Speaker 12 (Community Hall): For that reason, staff believes it is prudent to complete the independent assessment and continue negotiations before finalizing with the successor contract.
58701:29:49.670 --> 01:30:02.839Speaker 12 (Community Hall): At this time, staff is requesting Council to authorize the City Manager to
continue negotiating and execute a law enforcement contract amendment with the county to extend the
terms to September 30th, 2026,
58801:30:02.950 --> 01:30:11.280Speaker 12 (Community Hall): With a not-to-exceed amount of $64.4 million. Additionally, staff is requesting direction on service level reductions.
589
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Speaker 12 (Community Hall): That… with this, that ends my presentation, and we… staff is available for any
questions.
59001:30:18.960 --> 01:30:22.420Speaker 2 (Community Hall): Right. Thank you very much, Jonathan, for…
591
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Speaker 2 (Community Hall): that presentation. I was wondering… I'm not sure…
59201:30:28.570 --> 01:30:41.939Speaker 2 (Community Hall): everyone understands what it means to have a Gonzalez Act, compliant contract, and how that differs from how fees are,
593
01:30:43.840 --> 01:30:58.540
Speaker 2 (Community Hall): fees are determined that the city would charge, or the county would charge.
So, could you explain the difference between the Gonzalez Act and how, cities and counties are allowed to
charge fees?
594
01:30:59.600 --> 01:31:05.399
Speaker 12 (Community Hall): Yeah, so the short is, as far as what, for instance, Cupertino.
59501:31:05.620 --> 01:31:12.669Speaker 12 (Community Hall): We, in 2023, we performed a cost allocation program, or cap… that covered
596
01:31:13.280 --> 01:31:16.659Speaker 12 (Community Hall): What is the total cost for each individual employee?
59701:31:16.850 --> 01:31:22.370Speaker 12 (Community Hall): Which includes overhead and administrative support, and incorporates that as part of its fee schedule.
598
01:31:22.490 --> 01:31:26.280Speaker 12 (Community Hall): So, allowing the city to…
59901:31:26.970 --> 01:31:38.249Speaker 12 (Community Hall): issue a fee or provide a fee that would be cost-neutral to the city, completely cost-neutral. So for that service, if it were to cost the city $100, the city can charge $100.
600
01:31:38.580 --> 01:31:42.550Speaker 12 (Community Hall): Whereas with Government Code Section 51350,
60101:31:42.720 --> 01:31:52.750Speaker 12 (Community Hall): It does not consider any overhead that the county would otherwise incur should the contract, with the cities, the contract cities, excuse me.
602
01:31:52.800 --> 01:32:10.379Speaker 12 (Community Hall): cannot pass that on to the, the overall fee, for instance. And this was adjusted as part of that period between the December 31st meeting and the April 13th, proposal. They had removed the, the sheriff.
60301:32:10.520 --> 01:32:21.569
Speaker 12 (Community Hall): from the allocation that's being… or the total cost to the city, and that was
part of that $1.1 million that was decreased, along with other, adjustments. And so.
60401:32:21.680 --> 01:32:23.930Speaker 12 (Community Hall): And during that period, those… those…
60501:32:24.170 --> 01:32:29.889
Speaker 12 (Community Hall): refinements were made to the proposals. However, counsel nor assessment
will further assess…
60601:32:30.400 --> 01:32:38.969Speaker 12 (Community Hall): evaluate whether there are other expenses that the county would incur
should the, the cities not,
607
01:32:39.250 --> 01:32:42.000
Speaker 12 (Community Hall): Contract with them to perform law enforcement services.
60801:32:42.820 --> 01:32:48.010Speaker 12 (Community Hall): So, Mayor, just to add to what we just said, I think it's a good explanation.
609
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Speaker 15 (Community Hall): You know, the Gonzalez Act, or Government Code Section 51350, in short
says that when a county provides services to a city.
61001:32:57.610 --> 01:33:12.200Speaker 15 (Community Hall): that they can't… they… while they can pass through their costs, those costs must be directly attributed to those contracts. So, to the extent that there's any direct or indirect cost that
arises from those contracts, that they would still have
611
01:33:12.680 --> 01:33:15.649Speaker 15 (Community Hall): But for those contracts, they cannot pass those costs on.
61201:33:15.860 --> 01:33:21.940Speaker 15 (Community Hall): Whereas for the city, based on the explanation here, some of the codes can
be passed on for full recovery.
613
01:33:22.820 --> 01:33:38.290Speaker 2 (Community Hall): Okay, this might be getting too far into the weeds, but would it make sense for the county to take their cost allocation plan that they have for the entire county, and then, just kind of figure out a way to prorate the sheriff's department onto the city?
614
01:33:40.060 --> 01:33:57.110
Speaker 2 (Community Hall): I'm sorry, can you say that one more time? Would it, would it be like a
Gonzalvesac compliant, method to take the cost allocation plan and say, the sheriff's department, so
everything that's allocated into the sheriff's department, and then just prorate that onto the three cities?
61501:33:58.620 --> 01:34:00.790Speaker 12 (Community Hall): The short answer, it depends.
616
01:34:01.140 --> 01:34:05.369
Speaker 12 (Community Hall): Right. And I'm sorry to not give you an answer.
61701:34:05.740 --> 01:34:20.279Speaker 12 (Community Hall): there are certain overhead costs that can be built into their cost allocation plan, that… that the county can allocate to the sheriff's contract. And it's ultimately, and this is what the assessment will, will
618
01:34:21.010 --> 01:34:24.149
Speaker 12 (Community Hall): Evaluate whether, let's say, a payroll technician
61901:34:24.310 --> 01:34:41.660Speaker 12 (Community Hall): they could hire an additional payroll technician that oversees the county-wide,
allocation, but is specific for the law enforcement. And that technician is pro- would otherwise should not be
the contract serv… The contract cities, would not be employed. And so.
62001:34:41.750 --> 01:34:53.969Speaker 12 (Community Hall): the… it… really, that assessment needs to be performed by the… the… the Vasquez and company to determine whether or not that payroll technician should… would otherwise be employed.
621
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Speaker 2 (Community Hall): Okay, thank you. And have we ever had the Santa Clara County Board of
Supervisors provide the Gonzalez Act-required resolution? Has that ever happened?
62201:35:06.980 --> 01:35:09.310Speaker 2 (Community Hall): It's mentioned in 51350.
623
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Speaker 2 (Community Hall): Not that we're aware of there. Okay, and I… our neighboring county is San
Mateo, and their contracted cities mentioned the Gonzalez Act, has the, Santa Clara County
62401:35:21.000 --> 01:35:26.079Speaker 2 (Community Hall): ever referenced the Gonzalez Act in their contracts in the past.
625
01:35:27.750 --> 01:35:29.349
Speaker 12 (Community Hall): Not for my understanding. Okay.
62601:35:29.350 --> 01:35:36.799Speaker 2 (Community Hall): And how is it that they came to find out that this 40-plus-year-old law was in, existence?
627
01:35:39.680 --> 01:35:42.369
Speaker 15 (Community Hall): We, pointed that out to the county mayor.
62801:35:43.005 --> 01:36:06.725Speaker 2 (Community Hall): And could we… I'd like to hear a little bit more about the Gonzalez Act with regards to, double billing, because I know we have, property tax and sales tax, which goes to the county to the tune of over $100 million annually. So what… what does that mean where we can read that you're not
allowed to
629
01:36:06.725 --> 01:36:08.775Speaker 2 (Community Hall): Double bill a city.
630
01:36:10.700 --> 01:36:24.449Speaker 12 (Community Hall): We would have to do… we would have to discuss this with, Vascus and Company to see whether or not, we would be able to incorporate that as part of the assessment. From my understanding, it… the… the…
631
01:36:25.260 --> 01:36:41.620
Speaker 12 (Community Hall): the, government code refers strictly to the… what's being passed on directly as a cost, and does not consider other revenues. However, again, we would have to address that with, Vasquez and Company and see if they can incorporate that as part of their assessment.
63201:36:41.620 --> 01:36:57.629Speaker 2 (Community Hall): Okay. Now, if we lived in the unincorporated county, we would… we would still
have sheriff's services, but we wouldn't have a contract. So, are we basically subsidizing the unincorporated
areas, like the rest of the cities, which are incorporated?
63301:36:58.070 --> 01:36:59.629Speaker 2 (Community Hall): Is that one way of looking at it?
63401:37:00.370 --> 01:37:15.659
Speaker 2 (Community Hall): Well, the unincorporated, areas of the county, they receive sheriff's services,
but they don't have a contract. Correct. So they… they're getting… their property tax covers their sheriff,
whereas our property tax is being
63501:37:15.890 --> 01:37:18.900Speaker 2 (Community Hall): not used to cover overhead. It's…
636
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Speaker 12 (Community Hall): An argument could be made.
63701:37:21.550 --> 01:37:23.590Speaker 12 (Community Hall): Thank you for that.
63801:37:24.600 --> 01:37:36.980
Speaker 4 (Community Hall): I think, Mayor, if I make, so that the 3-month extension and the mutually
agreed upon assessment will help us look into the costs that are being, you know, proposed right now.
63901:37:36.980 --> 01:37:45.789Speaker 4 (Community Hall): Although, you know, some of these… some of these conversations and the questions you're asking, we're also asking, right? So we will have more information
640
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Speaker 4 (Community Hall): After the assessment's done, after we are continuing to analyze these costs
and proposals we're receiving.
64101:37:51.860 --> 01:38:10.029
Speaker 4 (Community Hall): And when we bring the longer-term, you know, contract forward, I think these
need to be answered by then. But for the 3-month extension, there, you know, we also tried to ask some questions to incorporate some of those in the 3-month extension, which the county has not agreed to.
642
01:38:10.030 --> 01:38:19.829
Speaker 4 (Community Hall): So, what's in front of Council tonight is the short extension in order for us to
make sure that law enforcement services can continue in Cupertino.
64301:38:19.930 --> 01:38:25.200Speaker 4 (Community Hall): And, in tandem, the assessment can be completed over the summer.
644
01:38:25.510 --> 01:38:39.170
Speaker 2 (Community Hall): Okay, thank you. And, with regards to eliminating the two SROs, one traffic,
and, and one general law enforcement officer, that is off the table, not… it's not negotiable?
64501:38:39.175 --> 01:38:47.554Speaker 4 (Community Hall): That is something that we had asked County to help us provide an estimate, because we felt that,
646
01:38:47.615 --> 01:39:03.145
Speaker 4 (Community Hall): You know, with the proposal and with the negotiation conversations, there
were… you know, cities really had no input. And, our suggestions were not taken into consideration, so we felt like we were in a box in order to bring the cost down.
64701:39:03.145 --> 01:39:16.145Speaker 4 (Community Hall): the only place we could look at is potentially reducing service levels. So the… what you heard tonight is one of the strategies that we, unfortunately, is the only strategy that we could
consider.
64801:39:16.145 --> 01:39:27.924Speaker 4 (Community Hall): And we did not receive any estimation from county in order for us to even build a budget with, you know, with the service level reduction. So for the 3-month contract, the county did not agree to any changes.
649
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Speaker 2 (Community Hall): Okay, thank you, and with regards to, the school resource officers, though
they…
65001:39:37.930 --> 01:39:52.540Speaker 2 (Community Hall): they work at FUHSD and CUSD, and is it true that some districts will pay for their school resource officers, through their own budgets? They'll contract directly?
651
01:39:52.545 --> 01:40:13.794
Speaker 4 (Community Hall): Yeah, that's a good question, and I've been looking into that information, so
my understanding, and I'll still need to confirm all of this, and I'll issue an info memo in the coming weeks. My understanding is that the SROs are primarily in the high schools, and of that, primarily in three high schools that are in Cupertino, they may also serve the other two.
65201:40:13.795 --> 01:40:19.274Speaker 4 (Community Hall): And a small portion of their time is spent in the CUSD schools.
653
01:40:19.275 --> 01:40:23.214
Speaker 4 (Community Hall): Okay. And to answer your next question.
65401:40:23.215 --> 01:40:34.654Speaker 4 (Community Hall): There are different models that we have found. I didn't have a whole lot of time to research, so I'm still getting information, but there are different models where, either it's within the police department budgets.
655
01:40:34.655 --> 01:40:46.595
Speaker 4 (Community Hall): Or, you know, there is some portion that the school districts will pay for. They all look different to me, so I'm gonna look into it a little bit more, like I said, and I'll issue an informational memo for
65601:40:46.645 --> 01:40:47.305Speaker 4 (Community Hall): For council.
657
01:40:47.305 --> 01:41:02.565Speaker 2 (Community Hall): in the public. Okay, so we're not deciding tonight a long-term, we're not making a long-term decision regarding the SROs and traffic and general law enforcement, because that's not an option for us to even discuss. Vice Mayor, your hand's raised.
65801:41:04.490 --> 01:41:18.510
Speaker 6 (Community Hall): So, in the staff report, the budget for this 3-month extension is $6.4 million.
Times 4, that's $25.6 million. So that means this 3-month extension is using…
65901:41:18.990 --> 01:41:23.490Speaker 6 (Community Hall): Exactly what the county has proposed, nothing reduced.
66001:41:24.210 --> 01:41:33.710
Speaker 6 (Community Hall): That is correct. So that 3-month extension is not really extension of the current
contract, it's the 3 months of the new proposed.
66101:41:33.810 --> 01:41:35.520Speaker 6 (Community Hall): obtract rate.
66201:41:36.230 --> 01:41:42.999
Speaker 12 (Community Hall): It's essentially an extension of our current contract using the new proposed
rates. The new rates. Okay.
66301:41:43.670 --> 01:41:44.720Speaker 6 (Community Hall): on…
66401:41:45.260 --> 01:41:59.900Speaker 6 (Community Hall): And then, my understanding is our contract actually usually usually was 10 years extension, and it was expired 2 years ago, and then there was… there were a 2-year extension.
665
01:42:00.270 --> 01:42:01.180
Speaker 6 (Community Hall): Right?
66601:42:01.600 --> 01:42:11.009Speaker 6 (Community Hall): And… So, supposedly, the county should be working with us on any cost structure restructuring.
667
01:42:11.220 --> 01:42:15.059
Speaker 6 (Community Hall): But my understanding from the city manager is…
66801:42:15.240 --> 01:42:25.290Speaker 6 (Community Hall): The county did not share any information with the city until December 31st, 2025, at 8 p.m.
669
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Speaker 6 (Community Hall): And before that, even though CD has been asking, no information has been shared.
67001:42:31.670 --> 01:42:37.749Speaker 6 (Community Hall): And then, after they share the information, they have been not willing to even
671
01:42:38.290 --> 01:42:41.290
Speaker 6 (Community Hall): Shared, like, their cost structure.
67201:42:41.620 --> 01:42:48.470Speaker 6 (Community Hall): To… so we can understand, how… All white, old, oldest son.
673
01:42:49.140 --> 01:42:53.149
Speaker 6 (Community Hall): faster increase. Is that accurate description?
67401:42:53.295 --> 01:43:00.134Speaker 4 (Community Hall): That's, for the most part, accurate, Vice Mayor. We began negotiations in June of last year.
675
01:43:00.195 --> 01:43:15.715
Speaker 4 (Community Hall): And the two-year extension originally was provided by the county because
there was a change in methodology. That's all we were told. We did not have any indication on what the increase that we would be staring down in a few months, right?
676
01:43:15.715 --> 01:43:22.584
Speaker 4 (Community Hall): And then the proposal in December that we received, increased our rate to almost 40%.
677
01:43:22.585 --> 01:43:36.005
Speaker 4 (Community Hall): And we began again, or not began, we continued negotiating, and trying to
understand and analyze these numbers. The disconnect right now is we do have the proposal that shows the
cost methodology.
67801:43:36.005 --> 01:43:51.155Speaker 4 (Community Hall): It's just that we don't know if it complies with the government code section that governs these kinds of contracts. And, and of course, we want to, you know, we have, as you heard, the proposal has changed a couple times, and the cost has gone down.
679
01:43:51.155 --> 01:44:05.344Speaker 4 (Community Hall): Which is a direct result of asking questions and negotiating. However, we do need to do that assessment to make sure whatever is being charged, that the Cupertino is paying what we are legally required to pay.
68001:44:05.435 --> 01:44:06.055
Speaker 4 (Community Hall): So the.
68101:44:06.055 --> 01:44:13.474Speaker 6 (Community Hall): 25.4.6 is already reduced from what's originally proposed.
68201:44:13.990 --> 01:44:19.390Speaker 4 (Community Hall): That's correct. So, Jonathan can get into the numbers a little bit for us, if we
need, if you can pull up that slide.
68301:44:27.330 --> 01:44:41.019Speaker 12 (Community Hall): So, as you can see on the, PowerPoint presentation, the initial, proposal that was received by this, you know, I see a town was December 31st, 2025, was for $26.5 million.
68401:44:41.350 --> 01:44:59.289
Speaker 12 (Community Hall): The most recent proposal, which is what was received by the city on April
13th, 2026, was for $25.4 million, a reduction of $1.1 million. And as City Manager Poor stated, this is due to
the efforts from
68501:44:59.420 --> 01:45:03.440Speaker 12 (Community Hall): The contract cities and their negotiations, and as…
686
01:45:03.600 --> 01:45:12.790
Speaker 12 (Community Hall): Senior Assistant City Attorney, Sorry, indicated earlier,
68701:45:12.890 --> 01:45:24.409Speaker 12 (Community Hall): it was due to us pointing out that Government Code Section 51-350 dictates
what can be… what cost can be, passed on to the cities.
688
01:45:24.550 --> 01:45:25.410
Speaker 12 (Community Hall): Okay.
68901:45:25.760 --> 01:45:34.740Speaker 6 (Community Hall): So I would like to share this, I think this slide,
690
01:45:36.800 --> 01:45:44.730
Speaker 6 (Community Hall): Okay, this is a slide that I think Los Altos Hills mayor has shared at their council
meeting.
69101:45:44.830 --> 01:45:57.719Speaker 6 (Community Hall): And so it shows the dollars per hour. I know this might not be accurate, but I think there is a drastic difference between Cupertino.
692
01:45:57.750 --> 01:46:10.890
Speaker 6 (Community Hall): dollar per petrol hour over, San Mateo County, Portola, and Woodside. They are also serviced by San Mateo County. So, we…
69301:46:11.430 --> 01:46:18.369Speaker 6 (Community Hall): Are seeing almost… It's a drastic difference there, and
694
01:46:18.540 --> 01:46:22.030
Speaker 6 (Community Hall): Then, the amount of overhead for
69501:46:22.210 --> 01:46:36.009Speaker 6 (Community Hall): Cupertino, Saratoga is… the overhead is over 100% of the actual direct cost, and that's the kind of contract that the county is proposing right now.
696
01:46:36.120 --> 01:46:40.909
Speaker 6 (Community Hall): So… Are these… Kind of accurate.
69701:46:42.000 --> 01:46:45.149Speaker 6 (Community Hall): Or the staff needs to verify those.
698
01:46:45.480 --> 01:46:50.600
Speaker 6 (Community Hall): I think the direct-indirect cost, likely, is pretty accurate.
69901:46:50.600 --> 01:47:00.330Speaker 12 (Community Hall): Right. A lot of this, it depends. I don't… and I… these numbers are certainly an interpretation of the contract.
700
01:47:00.410 --> 01:47:13.739
Speaker 12 (Community Hall): However, I would probably reserve on making any statements until the
assessment's been performed, because there could be some costs baked into their overhead, or our overhead, that are allowable.
701
01:47:13.740 --> 01:47:33.539
Speaker 12 (Community Hall): Whereas, with, Woodside, Portello Valley, or Danville, maybe those costs are
built into their direct policing costs. And so the contract structure may be a bit different. So, we may be
comparing apples to oranges in this situation, but again, I'd probably reserve until that assessment's made. Yeah, thank you.
70201:47:38.830 --> 01:47:40.289Speaker 2 (Community Hall): Councilmember Mohan?
703
01:47:43.090 --> 01:47:51.099
Speaker 10 (Community Hall): Thank you. Thank you for the, explanation and the reports, Jonathan, Michael, and, City Manager.
70401:47:51.350 --> 01:47:56.159Speaker 10 (Community Hall): So, our task today is to approve the 3-month extension.
705
01:47:56.720 --> 01:48:00.519
Speaker 10 (Community Hall): And the 3-month extension includes,
70601:48:01.740 --> 01:48:07.320Speaker 10 (Community Hall): The elimination, temporary elimination of the two, SROs?
707
01:48:07.890 --> 01:48:26.559
Speaker 12 (Community Hall): No, it… the current… what's being requested today is for the City Manager to
continue negotiating with the county, and authorize the city manager to execute a 3-month extension with a not-to-exceed amount of $6.4 million.
70801:48:26.720 --> 01:48:36.790Speaker 12 (Community Hall): And provide direction on whether to reduce service levels, in the interim or in the future, the more, long-term contract.
709
01:48:37.590 --> 01:48:44.540Speaker 10 (Community Hall): Okay, but our task is not to, look at the long-term contract. Today's task is to look at the 3-month extension.
71001:48:45.180 --> 01:48:57.329Speaker 4 (Community Hall): That's correct, and just to add on to what Jonathan said, we did try to bring
the cost down, even for the 3-month extension, but the county did not agree to… to that. So, right now, in
front of you is a 3-month
71101:48:57.330 --> 01:49:10.719Speaker 4 (Community Hall): although it's called an extension, an extension would be of the current terms,
the current contract. It's extension of law enforcement services, but the cost is based on the proposal we
received from the county that we're still, looking into.
71201:49:13.050 --> 01:49:21.140Speaker 10 (Community Hall): Okay, so then if we present it exactly as, you've described it, City Manager,
There is no,
71301:49:21.910 --> 01:49:27.549Speaker 10 (Community Hall): Dispute between the city and the county, if we go with this 3-month, because we are agreeing to…
71401:49:28.660 --> 01:49:31.459
Speaker 10 (Community Hall): everything that they've asked for, right? They're…
71501:49:32.445 --> 01:49:48.425Speaker 4 (Community Hall): I think there is a disagreement on terms, however, there is no, time to negotiate further, because the contract… current contract does end on June 30th, and we are told by the county that if there is no
716
01:49:48.435 --> 01:49:55.575
Speaker 4 (Community Hall): agreement slash extensions signed by June 30th, that they will remove law
enforcement contracts from their budgets.
71701:49:58.670 --> 01:50:05.420Speaker 10 (Community Hall): Right, so if you could, quickly describe what is the 3-month contract, then? We are extending the term.
718
01:50:05.700 --> 01:50:13.139
Speaker 10 (Community Hall): We're, saying that the contract, amount cannot exceed, 6.4. It could go below
that.
71901:50:13.630 --> 01:50:17.169Speaker 10 (Community Hall): And in terms of, the…
720
01:50:18.460 --> 01:50:28.949
Speaker 10 (Community Hall): the traffic officers, that's not an issue, or the school resource officers. Is
that… is that one of the sticking points, or not anymore?
72101:50:29.385 --> 01:50:47.104Speaker 4 (Community Hall): The SROs and the service level reductions is a broader conversation for us, because we're also bringing the budget tonight. However, for the 3-month contract, we did try to ask for
estimation from county, since it is the summer months, what it might look like
722
01:50:47.225 --> 01:50:56.384Speaker 4 (Community Hall): what the city's cost might look like if we did not have SROs. We did not receive that information from county, so we don't have that included in the 3-month exam.
72301:50:56.385 --> 01:51:02.974Speaker 10 (Community Hall): So, the assumption then in the 3-month contract is that everything stays the same in terms of SROs. Correct.
724
01:51:03.145 --> 01:51:04.314
Speaker 10 (Community Hall): Thank you very much.
72501:51:05.750 --> 01:51:07.540Speaker 11 (Community Hall): Councilmember Wong?
726
01:51:07.540 --> 01:51:11.170
Speaker 9 (Community Hall): I just want to go through some assumptions so the public knows how we got
here.
72701:51:11.720 --> 01:51:31.179Speaker 9 (Community Hall): How many of you know that we did a Measure A funding bill that added 5 eighths cents to your sales tax? That's $337 million to the county budget to cover for shortfalls for the hospitals that they acquired. And we are still $500 million short in the budget, is that correct? I just want to
double-check this from the county.
72801:51:31.480 --> 01:51:36.310Speaker 9 (Community Hall): Anyone have that? So, we're $500 million short on a county budget, and now
72901:51:36.510 --> 01:51:52.340Speaker 9 (Community Hall): costs are being passed on to us, indirectly and directly in many ways. So that's
how we got here. So I just want the public to understand that. It's because the county has a huge budget
deficit because of the hospitals they purchased, and the federal funding that went away from the Medicaid-
Medicare for those hospitals.
73001:51:52.440 --> 01:52:10.879Speaker 9 (Community Hall): That's why we're here. All the decisions that stem from here is a question of whether our city can actually maintain a budget. We're supposed to balance a budget, and keep a budget, and keep service levels. And so, we really need your help in terms of reaching out to the county, making
sure that they keep their budgets in line, because when they don't, we end up paying for it.
731
01:52:14.030 --> 01:52:14.820Speaker 2 (Community Hall): Vice Mayor?
73201:52:17.820 --> 01:52:18.880Speaker 6 (Community Hall): Oh, yeah.
733
01:52:19.200 --> 01:52:28.869
Speaker 6 (Community Hall): So… And… so I understand for this extension, we are… we are in no position to cut anything.
734
01:52:29.030 --> 01:52:31.650Speaker 6 (Community Hall): But I just want to,
735
01:52:32.080 --> 01:52:49.350
Speaker 6 (Community Hall): get more information about SRO, because so many people did write to us. So,
it's not… it's not really a matter of how important it is. Definitely, we need them on school campus, but I
think what's at issue is who should be paying for that.
73601:52:49.430 --> 01:52:59.509Speaker 6 (Community Hall): Since the school districts are not under the jurisdiction of the city. For example, Dianza College pays for their own sheriff's service. So…
737
01:53:00.230 --> 01:53:08.520
Speaker 6 (Community Hall): on… and then I hear different things about the two SROs. Do they serve only 3?
73801:53:08.750 --> 01:53:21.399Speaker 6 (Community Hall): schools who are physically located in Cupertino, or do they serve all five campuses? Because I heard they actually serve all five campuses for Fremont Union High.
739
01:53:22.590 --> 01:53:29.619Speaker 12 (Community Hall): So, from my understanding, they primarily service Cupertino High, Homestead High, and Monta Vista.
74001:53:29.890 --> 01:53:36.010Speaker 12 (Community Hall): However, if, Fremont or Linbrook need assistance, they will respond.
741
01:53:37.050 --> 01:53:42.649Speaker 6 (Community Hall): What kind of assistant, because Sunnyvale also responds when they have
74201:53:42.770 --> 01:53:49.389Speaker 6 (Community Hall): need assistance. San Jose Police also responds. So what kind of service they provide?
743
01:53:49.390 --> 01:53:54.619Speaker 12 (Community Hall): We can provide that level of detail with the information memo that…
74401:53:54.625 --> 01:54:01.185Speaker 6 (Community Hall): Rosa's Homestead is located in Cupertino, but the attendance area is mostly in Sunnyvale.
745
01:54:02.325 --> 01:54:10.764Speaker 6 (Community Hall): So… That's also a question of, are we… should… who should be really…
746
01:54:10.965 --> 01:54:18.554
Speaker 6 (Community Hall): bear the major cost of these services. And my understanding is they provide
74701:54:18.625 --> 01:54:34.495Speaker 6 (Community Hall): not only assist when there were incidents, which I think is something that
definitely the city police should provide. They also provide training for students, some regular things that
74801:54:34.775 --> 01:54:37.145Speaker 6 (Community Hall): Usually a school district.
74901:54:37.705 --> 01:54:40.694Speaker 6 (Community Hall): It's educating their students about.
750
01:54:40.935 --> 01:54:42.485Speaker 6 (Community Hall): So…
75101:54:43.865 --> 01:54:57.154Speaker 6 (Community Hall): those are important things to definitely provide our students, but the question is, should the city cover that cost, or the school district? So, I think if we can get more understanding of
752
01:54:57.305 --> 01:54:59.345Speaker 6 (Community Hall): Exactly what do they do?
75301:54:59.675 --> 01:55:01.775Speaker 6 (Community Hall): That will be helpful.
754
01:55:05.065 --> 01:55:05.785
Speaker 6 (Community Hall): Hey.
75501:55:07.600 --> 01:55:32.550Speaker 2 (Community Hall): Okay, thank you for bringing that up, Vice Mayor, and also, Councilmember Wong, with regards to the… the very large hospital and healthcare network that the county, took on. It's, out of alignment with other counties. Ordinarily, it would be 25 to 30% of the budget would be for hospitals
and hospital networks. Our county is around 53% to 55%.
75601:55:32.550 --> 01:55:36.450Speaker 2 (Community Hall): of their entire budget, and the state
75701:55:36.600 --> 01:55:43.710Speaker 2 (Community Hall): Mandate is to care for the poor and indigent of the community, not, to…
758
01:55:43.710 --> 01:55:58.029Speaker 2 (Community Hall): grow this massive hospital network, which they did. Also, with regards to our support for the schools, we are, in our budget, $2.3 million is going to,
759
01:55:58.190 --> 01:56:00.470Speaker 2 (Community Hall): help CUSD.
760
01:56:00.500 --> 01:56:24.989
Speaker 2 (Community Hall): between the approximately $1.4 million for the field use sharing agreement,
and us doing maintenance for CUSD, then we also have safe routes to school, and we're providing, nearly all
of the crossing guard funding as well. And then when you add in their sheriff portion, you end up around $2.5 million.
76101:56:25.080 --> 01:56:34.129Speaker 2 (Community Hall): going to CSD alone and the rest of the, contract, so out of about nearly 700,000,
762
01:56:34.540 --> 01:56:42.190Speaker 2 (Community Hall): $530,000 is going to FUHSD, supporting, that agency as well.
76301:56:42.460 --> 01:56:45.030Speaker 2 (Community Hall): Councilmember Wang, your hand is still raised?
764
01:56:45.350 --> 01:56:47.760
Speaker 2 (Community Hall): Relics. Relics, okay.
76501:56:47.765 --> 01:56:48.934Speaker 10 (Community Hall): Thank God you are.
766
01:56:48.935 --> 01:56:51.544
Speaker 2 (Community Hall): Oh, okay, Councilmember Fruan, thank you.
76701:56:52.130 --> 01:56:54.010J.R. Fruen, Councilmember: Thank you, Madam Mayor.
768
01:56:54.550 --> 01:57:02.039
J.R. Fruen, Councilmember: to pick up a bit where the Vice Mayor left off, I think it's certainly good for us to
have these conversations.
76901:57:02.140 --> 01:57:04.040J.R. Fruen, Councilmember: With our partners about
770
01:57:04.170 --> 01:57:20.529
J.R. Fruen, Councilmember: who's best suited to bear the cost of providing various services. I'm thinking
specifically here of the SROs. However, I'm also very anxious to not repeat what is being done to us if we
are upset that the county is
77101:57:20.610 --> 01:57:27.680
J.R. Fruen, Councilmember: wanting to get money out of us in order to deal with its budget shortfall, I don't
really want to make
77201:57:28.430 --> 01:57:38.390J.R. Fruen, Councilmember: our problem, their problem. That is, the school districts for the SROs. So, I think
that to the extent that we go down any discussion of… of…
77301:57:38.660 --> 01:57:40.689J.R. Fruen, Councilmember: this specific question.
77401:57:40.820 --> 01:57:45.519J.R. Fruen, Councilmember: That we really look at who's best suited to bear the cost.
775
01:57:45.750 --> 01:57:51.260J.R. Fruen, Councilmember: And to the extent that we can continue to support our school districts, I would prefer that we do that.
77601:57:57.730 --> 01:58:02.840Speaker 2 (Community Hall): Thank you, and I do think it's important that we ask the difficult questions, and
we don't.
77701:58:02.990 --> 01:58:08.300Speaker 2 (Community Hall): cower from them. Madam City Clerk, how many speaker cards do we have on this item?
77801:58:12.980 --> 01:58:25.050
Speaker 3 (Community Hall): Mayor, at this time, I have one request to speak in person, which is a group of,
I believe, about 4 people, so that's 8 minutes. And at this time, I have, I see 2 hands raised virtually.
77901:58:28.040 --> 01:58:29.530Speaker 3 (Community Hall): Okay. Okay.
78001:58:30.060 --> 01:58:33.440
Speaker 3 (Community Hall): So at this time, we will go ahead and welcome Graham Clark.
78101:58:34.360 --> 01:58:35.429Speaker 3 (Community Hall): And your group?
78201:58:44.650 --> 01:58:55.109Speaker 3 (Community Hall): Actually, we just had a fifth member join, which is the principal of Monta Vista.
Would he be able to speak to? That… yes, that is okay, so we will have, 10 minutes on the… on the clock for
you and your group.
78301:58:55.115 --> 01:58:58.615Speaker 7 (Community Hall): Okay, thanks. We'll start with, board member, Danny Choi. Okay.
78401:59:02.045 --> 01:59:08.145Speaker 7 (Community Hall): Thank you. Councilmembers, I'd like to begin by thanking you for your service in helping to support.
785
01:59:08.150 --> 01:59:09.640
Speaker 5 (Community Hall): toward our public schools.
78601:59:09.880 --> 01:59:10.770Speaker 5 (Community Hall): These polarized.
787
01:59:10.775 --> 01:59:20.635
Speaker 16 (Community Hall): times, one thing I consistently hear people speak of is the glowing reputation
of Cupertino schools, of their desirability to families, and of their high quality.
78801:59:21.045 --> 01:59:38.825Speaker 16 (Community Hall): This is not a lucky accident, but the result of a confluence of geography, economic factors, and careful stewardship and planning. Our students don't just happen to be amazing, they also happen to be incredibly hardworking and dedicated young people who represent the best of what our
future offers.
78901:59:39.195 --> 01:59:44.825Speaker 16 (Community Hall): They face challenges and stresses that you and I could not have imagined when we were in high school.
79001:59:45.805 --> 01:59:54.714
Speaker 16 (Community Hall): My colleagues will go into more detail regarding the importance of the
relationships cultivated between SROs and the students and staff, but I would like you to consider another
factor.
79101:59:55.065 --> 01:59:59.295Speaker 16 (Community Hall): Three of FUHSD's campuses sit within Cupertino's boundaries.
792
01:59:59.415 --> 02:00:07.154
Speaker 16 (Community Hall): High schools are large plots, they consistently require orientations and
guidance for the hundreds of new students that they welcome each year.
79302:00:07.675 --> 02:00:15.355Speaker 16 (Community Hall): So in addition to those above benefits, funding SROs also helps to cultivate a familiarity with the lay of the land.
794
02:00:15.775 --> 02:00:19.474
Speaker 16 (Community Hall): In an emergency, minutes and even seconds, matter.
79502:00:19.945 --> 02:00:28.095
Speaker 16 (Community Hall): I'd like you to view this funding issue not as an expensive and low probability
insurance premium in the event of the unthinkable.
79602:00:28.605 --> 02:00:35.575Speaker 16 (Community Hall): but is a continued commitment to and investment in the City of Cupertino's
renowned public schools. Thank you.
79702:00:38.700 --> 02:00:44.629Speaker 16 (Community Hall): Good evening. My name is Janice Chen. I'm a Cupertino homeowner, a resident, and I grew up in Cupertino.
79802:00:44.630 --> 02:01:01.630
Speaker 17 (Community Hall): attended Cupertino schools from kindergarten to 12th grade, and I worked in
Cupertino as an assistant principal at Monta Vista High School. I've personally witnessed the value of the
SRO program from multiple perspectives, and I'm speaking tonight in strong support of continuing the school
resource officer program
79902:01:01.630 --> 02:01:04.910Speaker 17 (Community Hall): serving our Cupertino schools and community members.
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Speaker 17 (Community Hall): I currently am the principal at Limbrook High School in San Jose, and I have
experienced the difference between having an accessible SRO and not having one. At Limbrook, when we need law enforcement assistance, we call 911 for SJPD, since our campus is in San Jose.
80102:01:21.330 --> 02:01:40.869Speaker 17 (Community Hall): While SJPD officers are professional and dedicated, San Jose covers a very
large area, and response times can sometimes be lengthy, with limited communication while waiting for
assistance. In situations involving student safety, mental health concerns, or urgent incidents, those delays
can be challenging.
80202:01:40.900 --> 02:02:00.809Speaker 17 (Community Hall): In contrast, during my time working at Monta Vista High School with a dedicated SRO, we had a trusted partner who was familiar with our campus, our students, staff, families, and community. The SRO was not only available during emergencies, but also worked proactively alongside school administrators to support a positive school climate.
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02:02:00.810 --> 02:02:10.459Speaker 17 (Community Hall): Built relationships with students, provided guidance to families, addressed concerns before they escalated, and built trust necessary for long-term community safety.
80402:02:10.460 --> 02:02:21.849Speaker 17 (Community Hall): That partnership was invaluable, and demonstrated the unique role SROs play
in creating safe, supportive school environments, which in turn positively impacts the broader Cupertino
community.
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Speaker 17 (Community Hall): Their presence allows them to understand the unique needs of our schools
and respond in ways that general patrol officers just simply can't replicate.
80602:02:29.860 --> 02:02:38.519Speaker 17 (Community Hall): Cupertino is known for its outstanding schools and its commitment to
education, which makes our city a safe and highly desirable place to live.
80702:02:38.600 --> 02:02:51.270Speaker 17 (Community Hall): Families choose to move here because of our schools and our reputation for safety, and both contribute significantly to the strength of our city and the value of our homes. I respectfully ask the Council to continue supporting the SRO program.
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Speaker 17 (Community Hall): School safety is not solely a school district issue, it is a community
responsibility, and the SRO program is an important investment in that shared commitment.
80902:03:01.360 --> 02:03:11.830Speaker 17 (Community Hall): Eliminating the SRO program may provide short-term budget relief, but it risks creating long-term impacts on school safety, prevention efforts, and community trust. Thank you.
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Speaker 16 (Community Hall): Good evening. My name is Ben Klosnitzer. I have the honor of being principal
at Monta Vista High School now for, I guess this is the 8th year. Next year will be the 9th year. I am speaking in support of continuing the SRO program.
81102:03:29.440 --> 02:03:31.849Speaker 18 (Community Hall): for, the City of Cupertino.
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Speaker 18 (Community Hall): And I'm gonna take a little bit different angle than maybe you've heard, and…
81302:03:37.330 --> 02:03:53.349Speaker 18 (Community Hall): There's SROs and the sheriffs in the context of a response, right, to schools and enforcement that might occur. What you might not know is what the SROs do… for our families, for our
students, in regards to a resource.
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02:03:53.670 --> 02:04:02.759Speaker 18 (Community Hall): And what I mean by that is our students are the City of Cupertino students, our families are the City of Cupertino's families.
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Speaker 18 (Community Hall): Our families often talk to me more and more, as the years go on, in the
context that, their community is the Monta Vista community.
81602:04:13.670 --> 02:04:21.069Speaker 18 (Community Hall): I would imagine that same conversation happens at Lincoln, at Kennedy
Middle, and so forth.
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Speaker 18 (Community Hall): But as a resource, right, when students, when families, contact us, and they might be in crisis, and it might not be related to school, but they're going to a trusted adult, a trusted institution.
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Speaker 18 (Community Hall): Monta Vista High School, could be a counselor, could be assistant principal,
could be a principal.
81902:04:42.380 --> 02:04:56.379Speaker 18 (Community Hall): school-based therapist, right? And it isn't always, you know, that we're calling 911, it isn't always that we're calling, other, phone calls that we can make, but we might call our SRO as a resource.
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Speaker 18 (Community Hall): And it might be the SRO who goes out as a resource, maybe not to the
school, but to the student, to the family's home. And that happens more than you might think.
82102:05:05.840 --> 02:05:17.320Speaker 18 (Community Hall): The other piece to that might be that we get phone calls. It can be a Saturday at 9 p.m. from an SRO, something that's happened in the community, something to do with our family, again, maybe a family in crisis.
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02:05:17.480 --> 02:05:29.820Speaker 18 (Community Hall): Right? And they're looking to partner with us to support, not for enforcement, right, but as a resource to support our families. So, I'm speaking to support, and I hope you support SRO program moving forward. Thank you.
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Speaker 18 (Community Hall): Good evening, Mayor and Councilmembers. My name is Dr. Danae
Nuremberg, and I'm entering my 20th year as an.
82402:05:38.410 --> 02:05:43.950Speaker 19 (Community Hall): school administrator within the City of Cupertino, and my third year as the principal of Homestead High School.
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Speaker 19 (Community Hall): During the past two decades, I've worked alongside many dedicated
educators, counselors, and community partners. Through all of these years, school resource officers have
been a vital part of our team, and I'm strongly advocating for them to be retained in the City of Cupertino budget.
82602:05:59.610 --> 02:06:05.480Speaker 19 (Community Hall): Schools are tasked with an incredible number of responsibilities, and
maintaining safety is only part of that role.
82702:06:05.590 --> 02:06:12.549Speaker 19 (Community Hall): School resource officers are often our first call when needing a consult about student behavior or an incident in the local community.
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Speaker 19 (Community Hall): Our SROs are hired into this role due to their ability to maintain compassion, empathy, and treat children with a warm, yet firm approach.
82902:06:22.980 --> 02:06:34.499Speaker 19 (Community Hall): They understand the nuance of helping a teenager learn from their mistakes without overly penalizing them for poor adolescent decisions that kids invariably make year over year.
830
02:06:35.030 --> 02:06:48.869Speaker 19 (Community Hall): Our SROs are far more than law enforcement officers assigned to a campus. They attend games, support school events, listen to students during difficult times, and often become the bridge between young people, their families, and the broader community.
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Speaker 19 (Community Hall): The impact of their work cannot always be measured in statistics, or time on
task, as was earlier mentioned in this conversation, or annual reports.
83202:06:57.710 --> 02:07:14.049Speaker 19 (Community Hall): It shows up in the student who makes a better choice because of a conversation with a school resource officer. It shows up in the trust a family develops with public safety. It shows up in the confidence students feel knowing there's a caring adult in law enforcement who knows their name and genuinely wants them to succeed.
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Speaker 19 (Community Hall): Over time, these relationships create safer schools, stronger communities, and deeper trust between young people and the law enforcement that serve them. These are dividends that pay out not over months, but over years, and even generations. Reducing school resource officers may seem like a budget decision today, but it risks weakening relationships and supports that have taken years to build.
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Speaker 19 (Community Hall): Once that trust is lost, it is not easily replaced. I respectfully ask you to
consider the long-term impact on our students, schools, and community before reducing this important program. Our school resource officers are not simply part of campus security. They are part of the fabric of our school and city communities. Thank you.
83502:07:52.610 --> 02:07:58.730Speaker 19 (Community Hall): Good evening. My name's Graham Clark, I'm the superintendent of the
Fremont Union High School District, and I'm here to speak in support of the school.
83602:07:58.730 --> 02:08:16.330Speaker 20 (Community Hall): Resource Officer Program, and I want to let you know that I've been in
communication with the city manager, Tina, and we've been talking about this, so I recognize it's a very hard
budget challenge, and I just want to let you know that the Fremont District is willing to give more. We haven't given as much as some school districts have, but we can give more to help in this situation.
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Speaker 20 (Community Hall): But I want to say, as the former, principal of Homestead High School, an
assistant principal at Cupertino High School.
83802:08:21.530 --> 02:08:29.859Speaker 20 (Community Hall): and a teacher in the district, I've called on the SRO many times. And, I have a story here, I don't have much time, but I was gonna tell you the story of October 5th of 2011.
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Speaker 20 (Community Hall): I was the, principal, at Homestead High School doing the Cupertino Quarry
shooting, and I will say, it was, we felt very supported by the SRO programs on that day, as the, the shooter was, coming down the street of Homestead and Homestead neighborhoods.
84002:08:44.230 --> 02:08:53.319Speaker 20 (Community Hall): They had a presence patrol in front of the school, and it was very comforting to have them here with us that day. What I want to let you know, is we are aware that some cities
841
02:08:53.410 --> 02:09:09.060Speaker 20 (Community Hall): do not support SRO programs, in the same way that Cupertino has, and we understand the differences and impacts, as Principal Chen has said, but I'll say those systems are not better, and our system is working well, and I don't think we should break it, because I don't think our schools will be safe.
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Speaker 3 (Community Hall): Thank you. That is your time. Thank you.
84302:09:12.065 --> 02:09:31.435Speaker 3 (Community Hall): Mayor, at this time, we will move to the request to speak virtually. We have 3 hands raised, that were raised within the 9-minute cutoff. So we will welcome in this order San Rao… San Rao, followed by Vinay Myler, followed by Suikala Thor… Thothota. Welcome, San.
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San Rao: Do you bring more moral?
84502:09:36.130 --> 02:09:37.650San Rao: most of a child.
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San Rao: And that's my mirror.
84702:09:39.730 --> 02:09:47.350San Rao: When a department commissioner is speaking on behalf of myself and family, and as the people
doing the residents, I'm going to be out and directing my tools.
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San Rao: When staff tell you that the SROs are heavily used in FUHSD and not in CSD, they are either lying.
84902:09:55.440 --> 02:09:56.739San Rao: Being the egg milder?
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San Rao: for being unaware and uninformed. And none of those are acceptable options.
85102:10:04.190 --> 02:10:11.160San Rao: And when the city manager approves the staff report, she needs to take accountability for what has been said.
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San Rao: How many COSD board members could you call? Did you call your CSD superintendent? How many
CSD principals could you call? Did you call any CSD parents?
85302:10:20.700 --> 02:10:37.879San Rao: You absolutely are totally misinformed. SROs are out at CUSD elementary schools in Puerto every single day. They are the first unseen when there is an issue at the schools. They are the first time seeing
when there is a lockdown, and then we have
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02:10:38.130 --> 02:10:41.510San Rao: Student issues involving any sort of
85502:10:41.620 --> 02:10:46.280San Rao: Family Matters, they are the first on scene, providing a few main support.
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San Rao: When you talk about making cuts involving COSD and FHSD, you talk in the abstract.
85702:10:52.870 --> 02:11:05.149San Rao: But we forget that these are families from Cupertina that take up to Texas in Cupertina. My own daughter has been in two lockdowns in Mona Vista Ohio in the past two years. My own daughter
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San Rao: in Monta Vista High, as received gruesome and violent photographs sent to her that were sourced, thanks to the deputies, that had been come from overseas.
85902:11:15.660 --> 02:11:33.660San Rao: My own son has been in 3 lockdowns in Surrey Elementary in the past 6 months. I'm a corporate
university, I pay your taxes, and you're talking like CSD and the FHSD is some abstracto that you don't care
for, and that isn't your jurisdiction? Do you forget paying against these police?
86002:11:34.300 --> 02:11:36.560San Rao: You could very easily solve this problem.
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San Rao: This is a solid republic.
86202:11:38.970 --> 02:11:42.190San Rao: You could be cutting costs in places that are non-essential.
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San Rao: Of all staff working on bike lanes now.
86402:11:46.850 --> 02:11:49.410San Rao: Cut all projects on bike lane slot.
86502:11:49.910 --> 02:11:54.840
San Rao: Cut the safe routes to school, which is really an anti-car.
866
02:11:54.990 --> 02:11:58.030San Rao: for making anti-for-bacion involved.
86702:11:58.480 --> 02:12:01.139San Rao: You could put all staff working on ATP line.
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San Rao: And yet you put our kids at risk.
86902:12:04.050 --> 02:12:08.850San Rao: Let's call this what this is. So what this is, is staff protecting yourselves.
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San Rao: Because parents are uninformed, Disengaged, and not speak up for their kids.
87102:12:16.190 --> 02:12:26.950San Rao: That's what this is. And the city manager needs to take total accountability for what has happened tonight. And if there is a law enforcement episode that impacts any of our schools.
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San Rao: rural families because of drugs in law enforcement, or we have a traffic accident because of
reduction in traffic enforcement.
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San Rao: You people that work for that, and the city manager is accountable for this.
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San Rao: Stop. Thank you.
87502:12:40.790 --> 02:12:46.479Speaker 3 (Community Hall): Thank you, Sam, that is your time. Next, we will welcome Vinay Myler. Welcome.
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Vinay Mylar: Hey, can you hear me?
87702:12:49.820 --> 02:12:50.580Speaker 3 (Community Hall): We can hear you.
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Vinay Mylar: Yeah. Okay, thank you, thank you for so much for giving me your time. I want to speak with
respect to an SRO.
87902:12:57.680 --> 02:13:06.940Vinay Mylar: So, public safety is not a line item, right? So, cutting a law enforcement in a city with 30,000 plus residents and multiple schools is not a budget solution, in my opinion.
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Vinay Mylar: And it's a liability.
88102:13:08.690 --> 02:13:27.290Vinay Mylar: Schools, kids, and families should be the first. So, these SROs and petrol coverage near Cupertino schools are a direct safety net for our children. Any card there is felt immediately and visible by
every family in this city, and I'm being a child… I'm being a father of a child who goes to William Faria is
directly impacted by this.
88202:13:27.500 --> 02:13:40.330Vinay Mylar: And in that response, I think crime prevention is cheaper than the crime response. So law enforcement presence is not a reactive approach. It should be preventive. Every petrol, every SRO, every visible officer is a deterrent.
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Vinay Mylar: We don't wait for a fire… to defund the fire department, right? So, don't wait for an incident at
a school, or in the neighborhood for that matter, to wish we had kept officers on the street. Prevention costs less than a tragedy.
88402:13:53.500 --> 02:14:09.999Vinay Mylar: So, safety is what makes Cupertino worth living. Personally speaking, out of my experience, I came to Cupertino from Sacramento thinking that this is the city to be in. It is more safer than being in
Sacramento, right? So, the city is the reputation which caused the people from different destinations. I'm
being the prime example of that.
88502:14:10.330 --> 02:14:20.920Vinay Mylar: So, for a good school, safety streets, and strong property values is an inseparable form of public safety. So, the moment you keep cutting this, that is going to be immediately felt in other shape and
form.
88602:14:21.220 --> 02:14:28.490Vinay Mylar: So that reputation attracts families, business, and investment, right? So cut the law enforcement, and you're going to cut the very thing that makes the cooperating inviting.
88702:14:29.040 --> 02:14:39.549
Vinay Mylar: That is not the place to find a savings. So, I mean, I'm not going to propose where and all you
can find it, but there are ways you can work on the non-deceiving fees. Argument could be the one that can
be bought up.
88802:14:39.760 --> 02:14:52.250Vinay Mylar: And other source of it. So, cover for our staff will naturally protect the staff, right? The council needs to hear from a resident that we see the dynamic and expect the elected officials to prioritize the community safety over an integral budget comfort.
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Vinay Mylar: So, do not cut the law enforcement. Direct staff to bring them back to a revised proposal that finds the equivalent savings through consultants, contractors, or non-essential projects, or non-resident fee adjustments. Our kids and our neighbors cannot wait for this, so please don't cut their SRO. That's my humble request to the city.
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Speaker 3 (Community Hall): Thank you, Vinay. And, at this time, I do not see the hand raised anymore by…
89102:15:19.540 --> 02:15:25.170Speaker 3 (Community Hall): Sri Kala Thotha. So, Mayor, that concludes the request to speak on this item.
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Speaker 2 (Community Hall): All right, thank you. For purposes of deliberation, do I have a motion?
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02:15:33.180 --> 02:15:34.380Speaker 9 (Community Hall): Councilmember Wang?
89402:15:34.520 --> 02:15:36.840Speaker 9 (Community Hall): Yeah, I'll make the motion to,
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Speaker 9 (Community Hall): Approve the, 3-month contract as is.
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Speaker 2 (Community Hall): And do you have a recommendation with regards to the SROs? We're supposed to provide some direction regarding that, and please consider
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Speaker 2 (Community Hall): Supervisor Clark's, message?
89802:15:55.545 --> 02:16:00.294Speaker 9 (Community Hall): I would save that for deliberation, so, and get the second. Okay, more second?
89902:16:02.540 --> 02:16:04.290
Speaker 2 (Community Hall): Your hand is still raised, did you want to start?
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02:16:04.295 --> 02:16:19.895Speaker 9 (Community Hall): Yeah, I just want to put some facts there. I think everybody here believes public safety is important, and I think that it is important. In the context of budgets and safety, I mean, there are priorities. Just to give you some facts for consideration, 60% of high schools don't have SROs.
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Speaker 9 (Community Hall): The Cupertino, the FUHHC budget is $233 million, the city's budget is $136
million. We're all being taxed for the same services. Just something to keep into consideration.
90202:16:35.180 --> 02:16:36.820Speaker 2 (Community Hall): Thank you.
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Speaker 2 (Community Hall): I was wondering if you would entertain, that direction would be to have our
city manager, contact, both the, the, I should say, superintendents, I think I said supervisor, the
superintendents of FUHSD and CUSD,
90402:16:56.510 --> 02:16:59.070Speaker 2 (Community Hall): to… provide some…
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Speaker 2 (Community Hall): direction there to negotiate that they pay a fair share of the SRO contract,
rather than us
90602:17:09.959 --> 02:17:12.179Speaker 2 (Community Hall): Taking on the entire amount.
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Speaker 9 (Community Hall): I think it'd be important to lead that exploration with the city manager and the
superintendents that are here, and the people that came out. I think it's an important conversation. I mean, if SRs are that important, it's a question of where it fits within our mandate and where it fits with other areas, so I would entertain that.
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02:17:27.174 --> 02:17:42.024Speaker 2 (Community Hall): And I really did appreciate that Superintendent Clark recognized that FUHSD has not been contributing enough, and I'd like to find out what they are able to provide, because it does
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Speaker 2 (Community Hall): We're not saying that the schools, if they want to have the SROs, that's great.
We're not saying
91002:17:49.364 --> 02:17:54.894Speaker 2 (Community Hall): No to that, it's who should most appropriately be paying for it.
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Speaker 2 (Community Hall): Especially since it's working for those other agencies. It's kind of like when I…
when I brought up the… that we're taking care of field maintenance. Well, that's now grown to 1.4 million. We're doing the crossing guards, we're doing bicycle education at the schools, we're paying, actually, to have their students educated, and we have our staff members who are providing these services and contracted employees.
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Speaker 2 (Community Hall): So, we're… we're doing a lot, and I think we need to,
91302:18:23.434 --> 02:18:36.344Speaker 2 (Community Hall): consider that. It was one thing when we had the, revenue sales tax sharing agreement in place, and we had this revenue. Now we're having to look everywhere, and… and…
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Speaker 2 (Community Hall): Find out, what we can do in order to get our budget balanced.
91502:18:42.754 --> 02:18:44.894Speaker 2 (Community Hall): So did you want to.
91602:18:44.900 --> 02:18:47.079Speaker 9 (Community Hall): You want the friendly amendment? .
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02:18:47.080 --> 02:18:50.219Speaker 2 (Community Hall): If… why don't you try to frame it?
91802:18:52.049 --> 02:18:55.920Speaker 9 (Community Hall): Okay, I would like to…
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Speaker 9 (Community Hall): I'll make the proposal to support the existing recommendation, along with adding a
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Speaker 9 (Community Hall): direction to the city manager to, engage with the superintendents and the FUHSD to look at alternatives in terms of cost sharing going forward, that are more representative of what's available in other districts.
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Speaker 2 (Community Hall): More second. Okay, I accept that. I see a hand raised from Councilmember
Frillin.
92202:19:25.600 --> 02:19:30.029J.R. Fruen, Councilmember: Thank you. First point I just wanted to emphasize, again.
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J.R. Fruen, Councilmember: So that it's clear for everyone in the public that the…
92402:19:33.860 --> 02:19:48.109J.R. Fruen, Councilmember: approval of this item today does not eliminate SROs, it does not eliminate a general service officer, it does not eliminate a traffic enforcement officer. What we are seeing instead is simply an increase in our cost.
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J.R. Fruen, Councilmember: So I just want to underscore that first. Second, as to the friendly amendment, I would hope that the city manager and the superintendents would
92602:19:58.890 --> 02:20:04.560J.R. Fruen, Councilmember: Perhaps examine the possibility of a formula that would provide for
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J.R. Fruen, Councilmember: who pays what going forward. Our fortunes will shift over time as public agencies, and it would be good for us to not have to re-examine who pays what all of the time. If we can figure out what we think is fair on an ongoing basis, I think that that's a better place to be.
92802:20:26.830 --> 02:20:30.680Speaker 2 (Community Hall): I see hands raised from Councilmember Wong and the Vice Mayor.
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02:20:31.430 --> 02:20:45.889Speaker 9 (Community Hall): I was just gonna add to, Councilmember Froon's point, is that when our fortunes are good, we supported the schools a little bit more. When our fortunes are poor, we have to look at different alternatives, and I think that's just important to know. I mean, it's… it is… there is a mutual benefit here, and there is collaboration, so…
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Speaker 2 (Community Hall): Right, and the schools do take the lion's share of our property tax, and we're…
we generate a great deal of property tax, but Cupertino is a low-tax city, and we only get to retain the
6.51%. The county gets 13.68%, and the schools, it's even higher.
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Speaker 2 (Community Hall): Vice Mayor.
93202:21:11.360 --> 02:21:18.570Speaker 6 (Community Hall): Follow up on that. This is a chart. I think the mayor had created a chart. This is
a chart created by ChatGPT.
93302:21:18.630 --> 02:21:31.819Speaker 6 (Community Hall): Hopefully it's accurate, and for Cupertino, we… we… we get only 6.71% of the 1% of the property tax. Well…
93402:21:31.820 --> 02:21:42.240
Speaker 6 (Community Hall): Somehow, the other cities in Santa Clara County, some of them get almost
twice of what we get. And the reason seems to be that
93502:21:42.260 --> 02:21:56.210Speaker 6 (Community Hall): Before Prop 13, Opertino had almost no property tax, so we are being penalized for being responsible economically in the past, and now the state, it seems to be very hard
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Speaker 6 (Community Hall): to be equal to others, and Oakland, the city, gets 40% of their property tax. I
heard that San Francisco gets 80%, so there is a huge inequality between cities. And, like Councilman said,
we used to
93702:22:14.180 --> 02:22:17.760Speaker 6 (Community Hall): Be able to afford more, because we did get more
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Speaker 6 (Community Hall): from sales tax, but due to the CDTFA audit, we are getting about 10 to 20
million less in sales tax, and we have cut a lot of services as a result, and now we have to deal with this increase in…
93902:22:35.900 --> 02:22:54.120Speaker 6 (Community Hall): in, share of contest. For the motion, I would like… maybe when, the staff can
bring more information later, I do wonder if the SROs only serve 3 schools that's physically located in
Cupertino.
94002:22:54.720 --> 02:23:01.550Speaker 6 (Community Hall): I think 75% of the time, and 25 is for the K-A schools.
94102:23:04.550 --> 02:23:12.469
Speaker 6 (Community Hall): what's the workload so that they would need two full-time SROs? So I'm trying
to still understand.
94202:23:12.580 --> 02:23:28.009Speaker 6 (Community Hall): what do they do? So we need 2 full-time SROs for mostly just 3 high schools.
Maybe I don't fully understand the scope of what they do, and so some more information will be helpful
later.
94302:23:28.420 --> 02:23:43.609Speaker 4 (Community Hall): Vice Mayor, I'll include that when we do the info memo on SROs, but there's
some information as a desk item that we just issued right before the meeting, and that describes, and this
information I received from the Sheriff's Office, thank you, in terms of what the SRO's duties look like.
94402:23:44.340 --> 02:24:02.210Speaker 6 (Community Hall): But it was pretty general, so it doesn't give… tell me why do any full… why couldn't one full-time sheriff, does it? If… because incident… when responding to incident, that's… yeah, so maybe I don't fully…
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Speaker 6 (Community Hall): comprehend in scope. We can bring more information. Thank you.
94602:24:10.720 --> 02:24:12.800Speaker 2 (Community Hall): Councilmember Mohan.
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Speaker 2 (Community Hall): N.
94802:24:16.340 --> 02:24:30.830Speaker 10 (Community Hall): Listening to the, the motion, I appreciate, the clause included, which, which requires, which suggests that the city manager continue, negotiations with the
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Speaker 10 (Community Hall): FUHSD and CUSD superintendents,
95002:24:35.630 --> 02:24:49.259Speaker 10 (Community Hall): So that's, that's the way to go. But I do want to make it clear that there's no talk about eliminating SROs in this current 3-month extension.
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Speaker 10 (Community Hall): Likely not in the long term either, so…
95202:24:54.630 --> 02:25:08.120Speaker 10 (Community Hall): We've heard members of the public saying, cut, why are we cutting SROs? The question really is not eliminating the positions, but figuring out, maybe a cost-sharing
953
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Speaker 10 (Community Hall): Partnership or a relationship with
95402:25:11.280 --> 02:25:22.200Speaker 10 (Community Hall): probably schools, to just help our situation, you know, and the schools. So,
am I correct in my assumption?
955
02:25:22.205 --> 02:25:25.975
Speaker 4 (Community Hall): You're absolutely correct, Councilmember Mohan, and
95602:25:26.065 --> 02:25:44.995Speaker 4 (Community Hall): You know, when we say elimination, it's elimination from our budget, so we're just trying to estimate what our budget will look like if our share goes down, or complete… or the SROs were
not in our budget. There's never been a conversation for Cupertino to try and eliminate the positions itself.
957
02:25:44.995 --> 02:25:46.264Speaker 4 (Community Hall): Yeah, thank you.
95802:25:47.940 --> 02:25:49.150Speaker 6 (Community Hall): Vice Mayor?
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02:25:49.310 --> 02:25:56.000
Speaker 6 (Community Hall): Oh, just one more idea. I think when I received a CPR training at the city.
96002:25:56.210 --> 02:26:01.550Speaker 6 (Community Hall): One of the officers was a volunteer firefighter.
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Speaker 6 (Community Hall): So, he volunteered… a retired volunteer firefighter.
96202:26:06.160 --> 02:26:11.200Speaker 6 (Community Hall): I'm not sure if he was even firefighter before, but then,
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Speaker 6 (Community Hall): It seems a lot of the…
96402:26:13.960 --> 02:26:27.189Speaker 6 (Community Hall): service provided by ACRO are mostly training and information education, so maybe a potential option would be engage with retired sheriff,
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Speaker 6 (Community Hall): So that they can help provide those, because you probably don't need an
active sheriff to provide some of those services.
96602:26:36.600 --> 02:26:47.930Speaker 6 (Community Hall): That might help reduce the cost, but provide the same benefit to the students for the school district. So I want to bring that up for consideration.
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02:26:54.050 --> 02:26:55.829
Speaker 9 (Community Hall): May we call a question? Hold on.
96802:26:55.830 --> 02:26:59.709Speaker 2 (Community Hall): to try to share my screen, but I'm having difficulty.
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02:27:00.060 --> 02:27:02.299
Community Hall: Let's go back…
97002:27:05.560 --> 02:27:07.350Speaker 2 (Community Hall): Oh, shoot.
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Speaker 2 (Community Hall): Scripture off of here… I'm not sharing screen, am I?
97202:27:11.915 --> 02:27:13.275Speaker 11 (Community Hall): Hmm…
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Speaker 2 (Community Hall): And, cancel that.
97402:27:19.480 --> 02:27:26.299Speaker 2 (Community Hall): So are you using share window or share entire screen? Share window. Share window.
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Speaker 2 (Community Hall): Okay, so let me get there. Okay.
97602:27:30.490 --> 02:27:32.430Speaker 2 (Community Hall): I'm trying to share a window.
97702:27:32.850 --> 02:27:34.449
Speaker 2 (Community Hall): Let's see if it's working…
978
02:27:39.320 --> 02:27:41.079Speaker 2 (Community Hall): Share this window.
97902:27:43.740 --> 02:27:52.880Speaker 2 (Community Hall): Yay, okay. Alright, so, Vice Mayor was talking about, the property tax
distribution,
980
02:27:53.060 --> 02:27:59.240Speaker 2 (Community Hall): So I've been researching this for a while. Here we'll see,
98102:27:59.240 --> 02:28:22.740
Speaker 2 (Community Hall): While you'll see in the budget, it'll say $35 million estimate for our property tax. There's actually VLF and ERAF in there, so you have to remove that to get to what is specifically just the property tax. So, our property tax is $24.1 million, and then you can see the county, they get 13.68%, that's $50.7 million. Fire protection.
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Speaker 2 (Community Hall): is 56.2. That's because these values are based on
98302:28:27.000 --> 02:28:37.600Speaker 2 (Community Hall): 1978 and AB8, agreements that were made a long time ago. Here's the county, they're getting over $100 million from
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Speaker 2 (Community Hall): Cupertino combined sales tax and property tax. And then, when we're looking at our school districts, and I'll put this into the written record, Cupertino Union Elementary, their share of our property tax is 24.75, so that amounts to
98502:28:52.590 --> 02:29:11.220Speaker 2 (Community Hall): almost $92 million. And the high school district, 16.71%, about $62 million.
And then here's a chart where you can see the sections that, the education is receiving. It's all the blue area,
fire is the red section, county in gray.
98602:29:11.410 --> 02:29:20.160Speaker 2 (Community Hall): And there's, well, Cupertino at 6.5. So some of the cities receive, quite a bit more,
987
02:29:20.710 --> 02:29:27.400
Speaker 2 (Community Hall): I don't know if I've got that up here. These are old charts. See if I can find
that.
98802:29:28.190 --> 02:29:42.199Speaker 2 (Community Hall): Might not be able to… no. Oops, sorry, I won't be able to pull it up fast enough, but we're at 6.51%. If you were in Milpitas, you were going to get over, over, what is it, 16% for Milpitas?
989
02:29:43.490 --> 02:29:46.780
Speaker 2 (Community Hall): 16 or 13, I can't recall that one off the top of my head.
99002:29:46.780 --> 02:30:11.490Speaker 2 (Community Hall): 16? Closer to 16. Closer to 16. And then some counties and in the state, back with AB8, managed to negotiate, like, 40% of their property tax would be retained. So we got a really,
unfortunate deal, and back then, our property wasn't worth as much, and since it's increased, these
percentages become more, more shocking. So when you're
99102:30:11.490 --> 02:30:19.749Speaker 2 (Community Hall): looking at fire, this, 56%, $56 million for fire, we directly pay out of our
99202:30:20.380 --> 02:30:22.530Speaker 2 (Community Hall): Our property taxes.
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02:30:22.940 --> 02:30:32.759
Speaker 2 (Community Hall): Whereas Campbell also uses County Fire, $11 million is what their contract is
for the City of Campbell, whereas we're providing $56 million.
99402:30:32.900 --> 02:30:41.330Speaker 2 (Community Hall): So I'll stop sharing the screen, and like I said, I'll put this into… The, the… Vice Mayor?
995
02:30:42.110 --> 02:30:55.260
Speaker 6 (Community Hall): So, since you brought up the $56 million paid for county fire, so that's right out of our property tax, and we don't have any contract with them.
99602:30:55.260 --> 02:31:09.099Speaker 6 (Community Hall): So, which means we don't have a say on how this $56 million is spent, and we don't even have a say that this $50 million will be spent in Cupertino or not. Is that correct?
997
02:31:09.340 --> 02:31:10.120Speaker 6 (Community Hall): Yes.
99802:31:11.090 --> 02:31:13.780Speaker 2 (Community Hall): So it can be leaving the city.
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02:31:15.450 --> 02:31:16.060
Speaker 6 (Community Hall): Yeah.
100002:31:17.940 --> 02:31:19.040Speaker 9 (Community Hall): Councilmember Wong?
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02:31:19.250 --> 02:31:36.830
Speaker 9 (Community Hall): I think before we go to vote, and this is gonna be also on the other agenda
item, just know that there's a lot going on with budgets. There's a lot of issues that are happening. Everybody here has been working really hard to understand what we pay for, what we get, what we're getting back, what the value is, and really what it is for every person here that's a taxpayer.
100202:31:36.860 --> 02:31:52.520Speaker 9 (Community Hall): It's really important that you understand that there are a lot of hard decisions
that are out there, but the staff here is working really hard, along with the City Council, to make sure that,
you know, we use our money wisely. But just understand everything is proportionate in context of what
we're getting. Just know that our budget is, like, you know, almost…
100302:31:52.570 --> 02:32:02.510
Speaker 9 (Community Hall): half the size of the school district's budget. And then a lot of our budget and
most of our budget is going to the county, which we have very little say in, and that's why we're here. So please understand that.
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02:32:04.360 --> 02:32:07.290
Speaker 2 (Community Hall): Vice Mayor, is this current? Okay.
100502:32:07.780 --> 02:32:11.339Speaker 2 (Community Hall): I'm not seeing any further hands raised.
100602:32:11.345 --> 02:32:21.634
Speaker 4 (Community Hall): Before you take the vote, I just wanted to make sure in your motion that
you're also giving me direction to continue negotiating the longer-term agreement with the county.
100702:32:22.710 --> 02:32:25.619Speaker 9 (Community Hall): I think that's what was in the original agreement, but yes, I would like to…
100802:32:25.750 --> 02:32:28.649
Speaker 9 (Community Hall): Yeah, I'd like to confirm that, affirm that as well. Okay.
1009
02:32:29.105 --> 02:32:32.065Speaker 2 (Community Hall): City Clerk, will you please conduct the roll call vote?
101002:32:33.200 --> 02:32:34.250Speaker 3 (Community Hall): Councilmember Fruen?
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J.R. Fruen, Councilmember: Aye.
101202:32:35.930 --> 02:32:39.470Speaker 3 (Community Hall): Councilmember Mohan? Aye. Councilmember Wong? Aye.
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Speaker 3 (Community Hall): Vice Mayor Chow? Aye. Mayor Moore? Aye. Motion cares unanimously. Great,
thank you.
101402:32:44.605 --> 02:32:46.995Speaker 2 (Community Hall): Thank you, and we're gonna take a 5-minute break.
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Speaker 2 (Community Hall): Move on to public hearings.
101602:41:27.305 --> 02:41:45.095Speaker 2 (Community Hall): Item 6 is a consideration of the operating and capital improvement budgets,
appropriation limit, and related actions. If you need to continue your conversations, please do so in the
lobby. Thank you very much. Okay, Madam City Manager, do we have a presentation?
101702:41:45.515 --> 02:42:03.415Speaker 4 (Community Hall): Thank you, Mayor. This item is, as you said, to consider the recommended
operating and capital improvement program budgets for fiscal year 26-27, adoption of the operating and
capital improvement program budgets for the same year, and establishment of the appropriation limit and
related actions.
101802:42:03.415 --> 02:42:09.344Speaker 4 (Community Hall): This item will discuss changes from the proposed to the final budget, and before presenting the item.
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02:42:09.345 --> 02:42:29.385
Speaker 4 (Community Hall): I will just briefly frame the discussion that is before you tonight. The budget
reflects staff's efforts to maintain core services, respond to rising costs, and preserve the city's long-term financial sustainability. Our budget currently shows a small deficit that you will hear from staff. As part of the work that we do.
102002:42:29.585 --> 02:42:41.525
Speaker 4 (Community Hall): To bring the budget forward to you, staff evaluated a range of budget
balancing strategies across departments and service areas as options available for you to help address the
projected fiscal pressures.
102102:42:43.505 --> 02:42:55.225Speaker 4 (Community Hall): And with that, I will now turn it over to Tony OSA-Anderson, our Budget Manager, and Jonathan Horusco, Acting Director of Administrative Services, to present this item, and staff will be available for questions after.
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Speaker 4 (Community Hall): Good evening, Honorable Mayor and City Council. Thank you for joining.
102302:43:03.495 --> 02:43:08.335Speaker 3 (Community Hall): us today as we present the fiscal year 2026-27 final budget.
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02:43:08.860 --> 02:43:16.329
Speaker 21 (Community Hall): Before we begin tonight's presentation, we'd like to take a brief moment to
recognize all who have helped to build this budget together.
102502:43:17.040 --> 02:43:19.730Speaker 21 (Community Hall): It has involved many months of hard work.
1026
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Speaker 21 (Community Hall): And we appreciate staff from across all city departments who have dedicated
long hours to getting this budget to the end of the road here.
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Speaker 21 (Community Hall): Also, thank you to the community members for attending our community meetings, and also for your valuable input.
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Speaker 21 (Community Hall): Lastly, thank you to Council for your leadership and oversight throughout this
process.
102902:43:48.310 --> 02:43:53.850Speaker 21 (Community Hall): In this presentation, we will discuss the changes to the budget, since it was printed on May 4th.
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Speaker 21 (Community Hall): We'll also be providing some additional information based on Council
questions, and outline the next steps in the budget cycle.
103102:44:02.390 --> 02:44:09.390Speaker 21 (Community Hall): Please note that tonight's presentation has been revised since it was published yesterday, and it will be posted online.
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Speaker 21 (Community Hall): Before the public tomorrow.
103302:44:16.520 --> 02:44:27.820Speaker 21 (Community Hall): As this roadmap illustrates, just about a month ago, we presented the proposed budget, and now we have reached final budget adoption as our final stop in our budget roadmap.
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Speaker 21 (Community Hall): Next, I will cover all changes being recommended to the budget by fund after it was printed on May 4th.
103502:44:45.000 --> 02:44:51.159Speaker 21 (Community Hall): This slide here shows all the changes recommended to the budget after it was printed on May 4th.
1036
02:44:52.200 --> 02:44:58.419Speaker 21 (Community Hall): Please note that I'll cover these in high level for now, and we'll discuss in greater detail in future slides.
103702:44:59.380 --> 02:45:08.460Speaker 21 (Community Hall): So here in the General Fund, changes include the reallocation of $200,000 in
RISE housing funds from the special revenue to the General Fund.
103802:45:08.920 --> 02:45:16.749Speaker 21 (Community Hall): Also, $25,000 for a Council Approved City of Work program item related to strategic, communication strategy.
103902:45:17.260 --> 02:45:27.680Speaker 21 (Community Hall): You'll also see $13,000 for Rise Housing Solutions, and approximately $34,000 for the Council Approved salary alignment of the Senior Assistant City Attorney.
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02:45:28.310 --> 02:45:38.860
Speaker 21 (Community Hall): The general fund revenues, slide… sorry. The general fund revenue side includes, $15,000 for law enforcement-related administrative fees.
104102:45:39.210 --> 02:45:43.189Speaker 21 (Community Hall): A $47,000 reduction of Chamber of Commerce funding.
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Speaker 21 (Community Hall): a $224,320 reduction of property tax related to ERAF.
104302:45:50.710 --> 02:46:08.890Speaker 21 (Community Hall): And also, upon final review of the staff report, or upon review of the staff report, staff had identified that the $60,000 reduction for the automated license plate reader proposal was inadvertently excluded from the itemized recommendations, and therefore does not flow through the staff
report charts that was provided.
104402:46:09.340 --> 02:46:17.330Speaker 21 (Community Hall): However, it is highlighted here in red to reflect those changes which have an impact to the total general fund expenditures and general fund fund balance.
104502:46:17.430 --> 02:46:25.559
Speaker 21 (Community Hall): Ultimately, resulting in a revised use of fund balance, as shown here, of
$374,439.
104602:46:25.980 --> 02:46:28.450Speaker 21 (Community Hall): The changes reflected in this slide.
104702:46:28.770 --> 02:46:37.360
Speaker 21 (Community Hall): Will flow through the remainder of tonight's presentation, and again, will be,
published, for the… to the public, tomorrow.
104802:46:38.490 --> 02:46:51.539Speaker 21 (Community Hall): In the Special Revenue Fund, there is a $200,000 reduction in expenditures for the Council Approved reallocation to the General Fund. Changes to the estimated fund balance in special revenue is $200,000.
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Speaker 21 (Community Hall): Overall, staff is recommending $150,378,779 in revenues across all funds.
The negative $209,320 in total operating changes reflect the increases and decreases as discussed in the previous slide.
1050
02:47:22.190 --> 02:47:32.680Speaker 21 (Community Hall): Overall, staff is recommending a budget across all funds for operating capital of $155,493,264.
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Speaker 21 (Community Hall): The negative $34,881 in total operating changes since the proposed budget
study session reflect the increases and decreases as discussed in the earlier slide.
105202:47:50.290 --> 02:47:55.250Speaker 21 (Community Hall): So here, when reviewing both revenues and appropriations, with recommended changes included.
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Speaker 21 (Community Hall): Again, all… across all funds for both operating capital budgets, revenues are recommended at $150,378,779, and appropriations recommended at $155,
105402:48:09.530 --> 02:48:17.950Speaker 21 (Community Hall): $493,264, resulting in a use of fund balance of $5 million, $114,000.
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Speaker 21 (Community Hall): $5,114,485.
105602:48:25.920 --> 02:48:33.260Speaker 21 (Community Hall): Next, diving a little deeper into the revenues, this table compares general fund revenue categories compared to last year's adopted budget.
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Speaker 21 (Community Hall): All changes to recommended revenues for fiscal year 27 reflect recommended changes discussed in a previous slide, and the impacts are shown here in red.
105802:48:44.340 --> 02:48:50.800Speaker 21 (Community Hall): Overall, revenues are up $12.3 million, or 12.6% compared to last year.
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Speaker 21 (Community Hall): Sales tax revenue increases are driven primarily by strong performance from a small number of businesses.
106002:48:57.320 --> 02:49:03.670Speaker 21 (Community Hall): Increases in licenses and permits due to development-related activity and updated fee assumptions.
1061
02:49:04.500 --> 02:49:10.800Speaker 21 (Community Hall): There are increases in use of money and property revenues, and this is primarily due to higher investment earnings.
1062
02:49:15.070 --> 02:49:16.890Speaker 21 (Community Hall): Now, looking at expenditures.
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Speaker 21 (Community Hall): Expenditures are up $10.7 million, or 10.8% compared to last year. All
changes to the recommended expenditures for fiscal year 27 reflect recommended changes discussed, and
the impacts are shown in red.
106402:49:32.640 --> 02:49:44.499Speaker 21 (Community Hall): The major drivers include the following. Personnel costs, which have increased due to projected cost of benefits for the upcoming year, such as retirement and health plans, as well as negotiated increases.
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02:49:45.200 --> 02:49:55.089Speaker 21 (Community Hall): Contract services increases are primarily driven by outsourcing legal services, law enforcement contract costs, and community shuttle rate increases, and increased ridership.
106602:49:58.470 --> 02:50:17.690Speaker 21 (Community Hall): This… this here is the fund balance chart, reflective of changes that were
presented as part of the proposed budget study session. The unassigned fund balance year-end projection
for fiscal year 2026 was updated to reflect recent budget adjustments, which also impact the final fiscal year
2027 projected fund balance.
106702:50:18.360 --> 02:50:29.819Speaker 21 (Community Hall): It's important to note that in this chart, the $224,320 is currently classified as assigned fund balance, however, it will be moved to unassigned fund balance as part of final budget.
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Speaker 21 (Community Hall): These next few slides will cover all budget requests by department, and at
this time, I will cover only the items in red, which reflect changes made to the budget since the proposed budget was printed on May 4th.
106902:50:47.720 --> 02:51:03.009Speaker 21 (Community Hall): In the administration department, $25,000 is requested for special projects,
for strategic communication strategy. Council had approved this project as part of the fiscal year 2025-2027
City of Work Program in December of 2025.
107002:51:03.340 --> 02:51:09.889Speaker 21 (Community Hall): Staff is requesting $25,000 to establish citywide standards to embed meaningful engagement into every city project.
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Speaker 21 (Community Hall): Funds will be used to secure a contractor to administer a citywide survey
targeting residents' responses about public outreach standards, and staff will utilize survey results to present
a report to Council about outreach strategies and recommended policy implementation.
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Speaker 21 (Community Hall): Additionally, there is a request for, $34,119. This is for the Senior Assistant City Attorney Salary Adjustment. At the May 19-2026 City Council meeting, Council had approved an increase to salary and benefits to align the salary of the Senior Assistant City Attorney.
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Speaker 21 (Community Hall): And also, for $60,000 is the automated license plate reader, as mentioned
earlier. And this is to remove $60,000, which was previously allocated annually, to fund the automated license plate reader contract with Flock Safety.
107402:52:03.120 --> 02:52:21.950Speaker 21 (Community Hall): Also, there is a request for $47,000 to remove that amount per council direction due to cost reduction of the annual Cupertino Chamber of Commerce contract. It was previously
budgeted at $52,000 per year, and the contract terms are now at a maximum of $5,000 per year.
107502:52:22.880 --> 02:52:27.550Speaker 21 (Community Hall): In the Community Development Department, there's a request,
107602:52:27.930 --> 02:52:47.470Speaker 21 (Community Hall): Beth, to… there was a… City Council approved a 3-year contract through the
Rise Housing Solutions for Administration of the Below Market Rate Program. Staff originally budgeted
$20,000. However, the exact total for the contract is $213,000. Therefore, we are… staff is requesting
additional appropriations of $13,000.
107702:52:52.250 --> 02:53:08.009Speaker 21 (Community Hall): In the IT department, staff is requesting recurring costs of $62,000 to cover ongoing costs beyond fiscal year 2027. These ongoing costs are highlighted here, and they were inadvertently excluded from the study session presentation.
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Speaker 21 (Community Hall): And these are a,
107902:53:12.550 --> 02:53:18.740Speaker 21 (Community Hall): They were originally a one-time expense, and now we are identifying them as a recurring expense.
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Speaker 21 (Community Hall): In the Public Works Department, there are no changes since the proposed budget was, was published.
108102:53:34.780 --> 02:53:38.320Speaker 21 (Community Hall): And again, no changes to Public Works Department.
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Speaker 21 (Community Hall): Next, we will cover community funding. In April, the Parks and Recreation Commission approved the following proposed list of organizations to recommend City Council for funding totaling $32,500.
108302:54:04.270 --> 02:54:20.079Speaker 21 (Community Hall): If there is additional funding available, the Parks and Recreation Commission recommended to first fund Fremont Union High Schools Foundation and the remaining organization's requested amount in rank order at the Council's discretion, as shown in these next two slides.
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02:54:28.890 --> 02:54:32.050Speaker 21 (Community Hall): Now, we will, highlight these.
108502:54:32.210 --> 02:54:33.740Speaker 21 (Community Hall): Capital Improvement Plan.
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Speaker 21 (Community Hall): The proposed, CIP budget is $7…
108702:54:38.600 --> 02:54:48.280Speaker 21 (Community Hall): $5 million, along with, $175,000 of ongoing administrative support. The chart below,
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Speaker 21 (Community Hall): The chart below includes the ongoing cost of $175,000 for the,
108902:54:57.250 --> 02:55:03.170Speaker 21 (Community Hall): for CIP preliminary planning and design and capital project support, which are part of the, base budget.
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Speaker 21 (Community Hall): Now we'll briefly cover the 10-year forecast. This has remained largely unchanged from when presented during the May proposed budget study session.
109102:55:17.180 --> 02:55:25.610Speaker 21 (Community Hall): In the out years, the deficit is primarily driven by a few factors. A recession scenario modeled in fiscal year 2027-28,
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02:55:25.940 --> 02:55:35.049Speaker 21 (Community Hall): The sunset of the utility user's tax in fiscal year 2030-31, and uncertainty surrounding the long-term growth of the sheriff's contract.
109302:55:35.380 --> 02:55:39.349Speaker 21 (Community Hall): Additionally, it incorporates the removal of at-risk
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02:55:39.580 --> 02:55:44.980Speaker 21 (Community Hall): ERAF and inclusion of the administration of BMR housing units.
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Speaker 21 (Community Hall): This chart also has remained largely unchanged.
109602:55:53.100 --> 02:55:58.670Speaker 21 (Community Hall): However, year 10 now shows that the unassigned fund balance is zero.
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02:55:58.960 --> 02:56:02.079Speaker 21 (Community Hall): In the… in the last year of the forecast.
109802:56:02.840 --> 02:56:12.819Speaker 21 (Community Hall): Unassigned, is the pool of spendable money in the general fund that has not been restricted, or committed, or assigned for a specific purpose.
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02:56:17.390 --> 02:56:20.789Speaker 21 (Community Hall): There are no changes in requests to staffing.
110002:56:25.960 --> 02:56:33.219Speaker 21 (Community Hall): Tonight's recommendations are to approve recommended Actions, 1 through 3 as identified in the staff report.
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02:56:33.710 --> 02:56:43.639Speaker 21 (Community Hall): Including the $60,000 reduction of the automated license plate readers, and also approval of any other Council-recommended changes
110202:56:43.740 --> 02:56:45.800Speaker 21 (Community Hall): That you may have this evening.
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02:56:52.640 --> 02:56:54.619Speaker 21 (Community Hall): And as for next steps,
110402:56:54.870 --> 02:57:02.490Speaker 21 (Community Hall): Again, this budget represents months of collaboration, so I want to thank all involved in preparing this document.
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02:57:03.630 --> 02:57:10.649Speaker 21 (Community Hall): Staff respectfully recommends adoption of tonight's budget, and we are… staff is now available for any questions that you may have.
110602:57:11.700 --> 02:57:12.689Speaker 21 (Community Hall): All right.
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02:57:13.520 --> 02:57:17.559Speaker 2 (Community Hall): Thank you very much, Tony, for the presentation. Do we have more?
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Speaker 21 (Community Hall): Oh, okay. Forgot to move the slide over.
110902:57:23.280 --> 02:57:26.819Speaker 21 (Community Hall): this is… this concludes, tonight's presentation. Okay.
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02:57:26.825 --> 02:57:43.224Speaker 2 (Community Hall): All right, thank you, Tony. Thank you, Jonathan, for all of the hard work on this, and moving over to the OpenGov format, so there was a lot going on behind the scenes, and that'll continue to be worked on, even after we…
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Speaker 2 (Community Hall): approve the budget. Do we have any clarifying questions at this time from the
Council?
111202:57:52.765 --> 02:57:54.125Speaker 2 (Community Hall): Councilmember Wong.
111302:57:55.600 --> 02:58:05.630
Speaker 9 (Community Hall): Thanks a lot. I know that we spent a lot of time on expenses. I just wanted to
get some quick overview on the revenues. It looks like we're back at 2023 levels in terms of the revenues.
111402:58:05.710 --> 02:58:18.640Speaker 9 (Community Hall): And that shows a 12.6% interest. But I do have two areas that I do want to go deep on. I just want to understand license and permits were up 53.2%, and it's up compared to even 3 to 4 years ago. What's driving that?
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Speaker 9 (Community Hall): And is it durable. Is adorable is the more important question.
111602:58:23.720 --> 02:58:36.520Speaker 12 (Community Hall): This short is, in 2023-24, Council, there was a, cost allocation plan that was conducted by Matrix that reassessed all of the city's fees.
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Speaker 12 (Community Hall): Which, the city's stance, once presented, was to go into a full cost recovery
model.
111802:58:44.460 --> 02:59:04.399Speaker 12 (Community Hall): And so, the fees were updated, and there was a handful of fees that took several years to come into full cost recovery, and at this point, I do believe that that number that we've
included there is sustainable, that it's not a one-time increase in revenue.
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02:59:04.435 --> 02:59:23.074Speaker 9 (Community Hall): Okay, and we've also taken a huge, we've managed to get a better increase in sales tax revenue, but compared to 2023, it is almost, like, 40-50% reduction from that level. We're at $30.9
million in 2023, we are coming in about $16.9 million today. What's driving the sales tax revenue?
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Speaker 12 (Community Hall): We have seen a strong growth in sales taxes, than initially anticipated, even for fiscal year 25-26.
112102:59:32.330 --> 02:59:34.080Speaker 9 (Community Hall): It's 5 million more. Yes.
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Speaker 12 (Community Hall): And so, some of the information, unfortunately, is confidential, and I can't disclose as to what's driving it. However, it is… the short is there's been some strong performance by
112302:59:45.485 --> 02:59:50.525Speaker 12 (Community Hall): A few, Companies, businesses within the city.
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Speaker 9 (Community Hall): Okay, alright. So, okay, so even though we're 12.6% up, we're still down from the $115 million in revenues from 2024, it's… but it's showing signs of improvement on the revenue side, is that correct? Correct. Okay, thank you.
112503:00:12.420 --> 03:00:13.250
Speaker 2 (Community Hall): Vice Mayor?
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03:00:14.870 --> 03:00:15.780Speaker 6 (Community Hall): Bye.
112703:00:16.140 --> 03:00:25.339Speaker 6 (Community Hall): So, I see that there is $25,000 request for the community engagement, or City
Work program item.
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03:00:25.680 --> 03:00:31.239Speaker 6 (Community Hall): And we haven't seen that item, since we… this year.
112903:00:31.400 --> 03:00:46.790Speaker 6 (Community Hall): So, I am just curious what is that amount? So, we… usually when we, adopt
the work program, we do provide some budgets, so there was no $0 allocated for this last year.
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03:00:47.315 --> 03:01:01.565Speaker 4 (Community Hall): Vice Mayor, I can take that question. So this was an item that was added in December when we did the revision of the work program, but this was just a slight oversight that the $25,000 didn't get allocated when we brought the proposed budget, so we're bringing it now.
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Speaker 6 (Community Hall): Okay, so what, are we expecting to spend that time?
113203:01:06.890 --> 03:01:25.740Speaker 4 (Community Hall): So the… it's $25,000, and I… we may need to check the title of the project that's listed in the presentation, but this is, this is for bringing uniformity and some, expectation for departments to use as a guide when there is a project that may require
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03:01:25.740 --> 03:01:40.880Speaker 4 (Community Hall): public engagement. Currently, there's nothing in place, so we're doing some… we're hoping to look at models and incorporate that within our city's engagement strategy. This is different than the work program item that has to do with the radius.
113403:01:41.270 --> 03:01:49.669
Speaker 4 (Community Hall): This is just a small project that we think would benefit overall engagement with
the community.
113503:01:49.920 --> 03:02:09.820Speaker 6 (Community Hall): So, the work program item that we are looking at, notification radius, I think we somehow reduced that, over the years, and then we have had community members who want to increase that to 1,000, which other cities are doing, so that's still being worked.
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Speaker 4 (Community Hall): That's still ongoing. That's slated to go to Planning Commission, I believe, in
July, and then it will come to Council in fall.
113703:02:17.305 --> 03:02:32.865Speaker 6 (Community Hall): And then also, I think it will also look at the notification for citywide rezoning, right? Many people said they were not notified, but when citywide, there was only a newspaper publication,
many people didn't see it.
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03:02:33.550 --> 03:02:51.989Speaker 4 (Community Hall): Yeah, so there are legal notification standards that we must follow, but the, you know, there's… with the work program that talks about broadening that radius, and with this engagement strategy, we are aiming to go above and beyond what's legally required to make sure that we can notify the public appropriately.
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Speaker 4 (Community Hall): Okay, great.
114003:02:54.770 --> 03:02:55.440Speaker 6 (Community Hall): Boomie.
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Speaker 6 (Community Hall): There was another question I forgot. Okay, Councilmember Mohan?
114203:03:05.340 --> 03:03:07.540Speaker 8 (Community Hall): Is your microphone on, Councilwoman?
114303:03:08.630 --> 03:03:10.510Speaker 8 (Community Hall): Sorry. Sorry.
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Speaker 10 (Community Hall): My question was about the law enforcement, A-L-P-R.
114503:03:16.260 --> 03:03:19.120Speaker 10 (Community Hall): We eliminated that…
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Speaker 10 (Community Hall): I know the controversies in other cities and so on, and there was… the sheriff
was involved in the oversight.
114703:03:27.410 --> 03:03:36.919Speaker 10 (Community Hall): Of this? Does it have anything to do with the sheriff's contract, or is this independent, or why are we eliminating that? Because it seemed like it was a popular program.
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Speaker 4 (Community Hall): Yeah, I can provide some clarity. So the… this is, the $60,000 per year was
tied to the flock cameras that the city had, contracted directly with.
114903:03:49.125 --> 03:03:57.024Speaker 4 (Community Hall): the data that Flock Company gathered through these cameras was only accessible
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Speaker 4 (Community Hall): by the sheriff's, sheriff's office, who is our local law enforcement agency. So, the county, board of supervisors took action to… so they decided that they do not want to work with Flock due to some privacy concerns. So, because the county,
115103:04:16.955 --> 03:04:33.135Speaker 4 (Community Hall): does not… no longer works with flock cameras or flock safety. The data, even
if we continue to pay for these cameras and this contract and collect data, the Sheriff's Office may…
cannot… can no longer access the data or work with them, so it does not work
115203:04:33.385 --> 03:04:47.225Speaker 4 (Community Hall): or benefit Cupertino to continue paying $60,000 to this vendor that the county no longer works with. Through the ongoing negotiations related to the sheriff's contract and law enforcement.
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Speaker 4 (Community Hall): We have brought this up to the county's attention that, you know, there's an
interest that this is absorbed through the law enforcement contract.
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Speaker 4 (Community Hall): But those are ongoing negotiations, so I don't have an answer yet. But currently, as we stand, the county is not able to… or sheriff's office is not able to use flock cameras, and so it does not make sense for Cupertino to continue paying.
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Speaker 4 (Community Hall): Block cameras for this service.
115603:05:10.550 --> 03:05:13.880Speaker 10 (Community Hall): Okay, because there was equipment that was installed,
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Speaker 4 (Community Hall): That belong to Flock Safety, so they have taken… Those are still in place. No,
that they have been removed.
115803:05:19.810 --> 03:05:25.540Speaker 4 (Community Hall): Because they're no longer usable for Cupertino, because we're under the county jurisdiction for law enforcement.
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Speaker 6 (Community Hall): Thank you.
116003:05:27.840 --> 03:05:29.009Speaker 6 (Community Hall): Vice Mayor?
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Speaker 6 (Community Hall): I remembered my question. I think last time I did ask for a historical staffing
level chart, which I usually was able to find in the adopted budget, and then I couldn't find that anymore.
116203:05:45.990 --> 03:05:53.610Speaker 6 (Community Hall): if you can bring up that chart, because I remember when we were having the budget reduction talk.
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Speaker 6 (Community Hall): back in 2023, I remember there was a… because our, headcount increased a
lot, in 2000…
116403:06:06.000 --> 03:06:14.269Speaker 6 (Community Hall): 2021, and there was a promise to bring it down to a pre-COVID level by 2030.
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Speaker 6 (Community Hall): But then I see that there is no staffing change this year, so I'm just wondering,
are we still on target, or are we still… have a plan to go down to the 2019 level?
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Speaker 6 (Community Hall): At some year.
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Speaker 6 (Community Hall): Do I have data on that?
116803:06:35.535 --> 03:06:54.275Speaker 12 (Community Hall): As far as the providing that table, we can incorporate it as part of the final budget, and we can, shortly after this, this meeting, we can, put that together and provide it as a formal
memo. In terms of the, the staffing.
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03:06:54.375 --> 03:07:03.574Speaker 12 (Community Hall): From my understanding, this was largely driven to… by the CDTFA audit, due to the loss of that sales tax, revenue.
117003:07:03.665 --> 03:07:10.984
Speaker 12 (Community Hall): And, a lot of the positions were, that were supposed to be limited were going
to be through attrition.
117103:07:11.005 --> 03:07:29.515Speaker 12 (Community Hall): And I… from my understanding, there was a change in that strategy a year or so ago that was possibly put on pause, but we can have a conversation internally as far as if that is still the desire to move forward with that staffing reduction, or to continue at status quo.
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Speaker 6 (Community Hall): We made the decision to… Because…
117303:07:34.110 --> 03:07:45.119Speaker 6 (Community Hall): My understanding is, is even with the settlement, we did not have to return some of the back tax that we had to return
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Speaker 6 (Community Hall): So we were able to retain those. However, going forward.
117503:07:51.000 --> 03:08:05.560Speaker 6 (Community Hall): doesn't really change the outlook for Cupertino. So, why are we changing our strategy? Because we are still looking at a pretty significant drop in sales tax. We'll have that.
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Speaker 12 (Community Hall): conversation… valid questions. We'll have to have a conversation with Human
Resources and City Manager's Office to discuss that strategy, and we can include that.
117703:08:15.865 --> 03:08:25.895Speaker 6 (Community Hall): So, at this point there, we are not on… we don't have a plan to drop headcount to pre-2019 level.
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Speaker 2 (Community Hall): Not my understanding.
117903:08:26.535 --> 03:08:28.145Speaker 12 (Community Hall): Hmm…
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03:08:28.410 --> 03:08:29.280Speaker 6 (Community Hall): Okay.
118103:08:29.590 --> 03:08:40.729Speaker 6 (Community Hall): Because there was a big, spike for our sales tax revenue during COVID, because a lot of online sales, I think. And then our headcount also went up.
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03:08:40.890 --> 03:08:42.199Speaker 6 (Community Hall): Better now we are.
118303:08:42.350 --> 03:08:43.190Speaker 6 (Community Hall): Back.
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Speaker 6 (Community Hall): doubling our revenue. Okay, thank you.
118503:08:50.650 --> 03:08:59.019Speaker 2 (Community Hall): I was just wondering, Jonathan, if you could bring up the chart showing the unassigned, fund balance. It had the bands.
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Speaker 10 (Community Hall): We also have Councilmember Fruins here. Oh, his hand's raised, okay.
118703:09:11.650 --> 03:09:16.420Speaker 2 (Community Hall): Yes, that one. So… in this…
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Speaker 2 (Community Hall): chart, where would we find, funds that we would be using if we weren't to, for
instance, build a new city hall?
118903:09:26.540 --> 03:09:27.500Speaker 2 (Community Hall): So it's that…
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Speaker 12 (Community Hall): bottom blue band, and it's called the Future Use Reserve, and currently it's at
$62 million.
119103:09:36.230 --> 03:09:39.079
Speaker 12 (Community Hall): Would you like me to go into the history of that?
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Speaker 2 (Community Hall): That… no, I'm looking more ahead. If we decide to be spending that money down. What… have you looked into what that impact is going to be, with regards to use of money and property, for…
119303:09:55.945 --> 03:09:57.885
Speaker 2 (Community Hall): Out… outer years.
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03:09:58.550 --> 03:10:00.920Speaker 12 (Community Hall): Yes, so, we've ran some…
119503:10:01.550 --> 03:10:17.420Speaker 12 (Community Hall): models, if we… the city, were to use these funds to, let's say, renovate City
Hall or retrofit it, we can expect about a $1 million decrease in interest earnings in the out years.
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03:10:18.420 --> 03:10:22.940Speaker 2 (Community Hall): Okay. All right, thank you, and Councilmember Fuin, I see your hands up.
119703:10:25.010 --> 03:10:36.310J.R. Fruen, Councilmember: Thank you, Madam Mayor. Going back to the property tax projections, I
appreciate the desk item.
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03:10:36.520 --> 03:10:49.800J.R. Fruen, Councilmember: I am still a little curious, though, even taking out the potential of… the ERAF figures being… reduced…
119903:10:51.130 --> 03:10:57.330
J.R. Fruen, Councilmember: We were originally only in this proposed budget, looking at a…
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03:10:57.490 --> 03:11:07.310J.R. Fruen, Councilmember: roughly, I think, 1.4% increase in property taxes. Historically, it's been considerably higher. It was something like 4% from
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J.R. Fruen, Councilmember: fiscal year 23-24 to fiscal year 24-25. So, can you explain to us a little bit more
about, sort of, what the methodology was and the approach to this, what seems to me, very conservative
estimate?
120203:11:24.900 --> 03:11:31.120Speaker 12 (Community Hall): So, initially, we built this budget off of HDL, who is the city's,
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Speaker 12 (Community Hall): industry expert. The initial, how we built the budget, assumed, your secured
and unsecured amounts in addition to your VLF.
120403:11:43.240 --> 03:11:53.480Speaker 12 (Community Hall): ERF, as part of our general ledger, is included as one item in our general ledger, so it consolidates secured and unsecured.
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03:11:53.650 --> 03:12:06.880Speaker 12 (Community Hall): And so, there is about… the city collects about a million dollars in ERAF funding. And so when we budgeted this, the… there was no consideration for… for that amount.
120603:12:06.890 --> 03:12:20.710Speaker 12 (Community Hall): Now, yes, it is conservative what we have there. There is an opportunity to
update that, but I would like to wait till October 1, or till Q1, to assess, the amounts,
120703:12:20.710 --> 03:12:31.910Speaker 12 (Community Hall): Now, it is certainly within Council that they would like to increase that by approximately… I think the amount we were initially estimating was near a million dollars that we could collect.
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Speaker 12 (Community Hall): But that, that, that is an option to the, the, the count… by the councillor.
120903:12:37.990 --> 03:12:47.630J.R. Fruen, Councilmember: Okay, I guess the question that I'm really getting to is the nature of the proposed
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J.R. Fruen, Councilmember: 2627 budget versus…
121103:12:50.870 --> 03:13:07.710J.R. Fruen, Councilmember: what was adopted in 25-26, that that particular increase is relatively small. So… were you already building into your assumptions the notion that we would have ERAF being rated? Is that the idea?
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J.R. Fruen, Councilmember: Because my understanding from the desk item and the responses to the prior
questions is that that's what's accounting for the difference between the final and the proposed.
121303:13:19.860 --> 03:13:25.169Speaker 12 (Community Hall): Correct, 224 is the at-risk amount, and there's a,
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Speaker 12 (Community Hall): there's an apportion. It was a staff oversight as far as, not budging the full
ERAF amount that would be expected, that's built into the secured, unsecured.
121503:13:38.130 --> 03:13:39.409
Speaker 12 (Community Hall): GL account mine.
121603:13:41.160 --> 03:13:48.880J.R. Fruen, Councilmember: Okay, so you're saying then that this number would just go back up by roughly
the $200,000 that you were describing?
121703:13:48.880 --> 03:13:49.490Speaker 12 (Community Hall): Correct.
121803:13:49.820 --> 03:13:51.890Speaker 12 (Community Hall): No, in addition to that.
1219
03:13:52.700 --> 03:13:55.700Speaker 12 (Community Hall): Or, not an addition, give me a brief moment.
122003:13:57.790 --> 03:13:58.390J.R. Fruen, Councilmember: Alright.
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Community Hall: What's the trick?
122203:14:03.970 --> 03:14:09.129Speaker 12 (Community Hall): Excuse me, we're pulling up a chart now, so I can give you exact numbers as to what, we were looking at.
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J.R. Fruen, Councilmember: Sure, so maybe I'll… I'll rephrase my… sort of the focus of my question, which is that from
122403:14:17.340 --> 03:14:37.030J.R. Fruen, Councilmember: 23-24 to 24-25, we saw a roughly 4% increase in property tax revenues. In the year following that, roughly 2.8. And then what was in the expected budget, the one that was proposed for
this year, it looked like we were only expecting about 1.4, which is a pretty significant draw.
122503:14:37.120 --> 03:14:42.859J.R. Fruen, Councilmember: So I'm just curious as to why it was already looking quite sober.
122603:14:44.860 --> 03:14:56.740Speaker 12 (Community Hall): So, the… the short is there is a… the ERAF itself was not originally built into
the original, proposal, which, based off HDL's supplemental,
122703:14:56.740 --> 03:14:58.140J.R. Fruen, Councilmember: Yes.
1228
03:14:58.140 --> 03:14:58.900Speaker 12 (Community Hall): addendum.
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Speaker 12 (Community Hall): They believe it's about $1 million that the city could expect.
123003:15:03.860 --> 03:15:11.140Speaker 12 (Community Hall): And so, if we were to build that, that would bring us up closer to the 3% increase.
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J.R. Fruen, Councilmember: Got it.
123203:15:11.530 --> 03:15:12.559Speaker 12 (Community Hall): Certainly build out…
123303:15:16.000 --> 03:15:19.369
J.R. Fruen, Councilmember: Okay, that makes a lot more sense to me, so…
1234
03:15:19.950 --> 03:15:36.999J.R. Fruen, Councilmember: In the course of developing this budget and knowing that the utility user's tax is going to expire on the horizon, did you do a projection that includes a renewal of that tax?
123503:15:37.950 --> 03:15:45.679
Speaker 12 (Community Hall): We did. Give me a brief moment, we can pull up the informational memo that
include… that included that projection.
123603:15:47.950 --> 03:15:48.660J.R. Fruen, Councilmember: Absolutely.
123703:16:06.270 --> 03:16:07.120
J.R. Fruen, Councilmember: Okay.
1238
03:16:07.650 --> 03:16:09.820Speaker 12 (Community Hall): If you give us a brief moment, we'll pull that up shortly.
123903:16:10.280 --> 03:16:11.770J.R. Fruen, Councilmember: Absolutely.
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Speaker 12 (Community Hall): In the interim, do you have any other questions?
124103:16:16.190 --> 03:16:31.630
J.R. Fruen, Councilmember: Those are the major ones for my colleagues. I just wanted to underscore, and
I'll ask your forgiveness, Madam Mayor, that this may sound slightly off-topic, but I will bring it back to the point. There is a written communication that I submitted.
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J.R. Fruen, Councilmember: which results from a lengthy discussion that Councilmember Wong and I had
with respect to fire safety measures after our last discussion of the health and safety element. That
discussion produced a number of items.
124303:16:47.800 --> 03:17:06.340J.R. Fruen, Councilmember: that seem like they would appropriately fit into either the Council Work Program or elsewhere into the budget, because they would require some expenditure of resources on the part of the city. And I've included some supplemental direction there that we could give staff today, either for the TBD
list.
124403:17:06.360 --> 03:17:18.779J.R. Fruen, Councilmember: or for an update at the Q1 update later on in the year, and I would appreciate if the rest of you had the chance to examine it and see if you would like to include it in tonight's direction.
124503:17:34.790 --> 03:17:39.150
Speaker 12 (Community Hall): If there's any other questions from Council, we can still circle back as we're
pulling that up.
124603:17:40.700 --> 03:17:41.949Speaker 2 (Community Hall): Okay, Vice Mayor.
124703:17:51.980 --> 03:17:52.800
Speaker 2 (Community Hall): Oops.
124803:17:53.850 --> 03:17:54.560Speaker 6 (Community Hall): Okay.
124903:17:54.920 --> 03:18:05.599Speaker 6 (Community Hall): So, I found the chart in the last year's ACFR on the staffing chart for full-time
equivalent for city employees.
125003:18:06.150 --> 03:18:18.080Speaker 6 (Community Hall): And you can see the total in this line, the chart is below, but the total, it shows 2019 is 196.
125103:18:18.400 --> 03:18:29.070
Speaker 6 (Community Hall): And, last year is 212. Zoom up a little. So, I'll zoom up on the table, where you
can see the numbers.
125203:18:30.000 --> 03:18:39.699Speaker 6 (Community Hall): So… I think we are still more than, 2019 number. I kind of remember…
125303:18:39.810 --> 03:18:46.419Speaker 6 (Community Hall): there was an intention to try and reduce to pre-COVID number, and…
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Speaker 6 (Community Hall): So, it seems we should still look at, the headcount.
125503:18:54.910 --> 03:18:55.640Speaker 6 (Community Hall): M.
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Speaker 6 (Community Hall): That may be a future agenda item for this Council to consider.
125703:19:08.250 --> 03:19:11.749Speaker 6 (Community Hall): Stop sharing, yeah.
125803:19:15.180 --> 03:19:18.370
Speaker 2 (Community Hall): Thank you. Are you… did you locate it?
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03:19:18.910 --> 03:19:19.810Speaker 2 (Community Hall): Great.
126003:19:22.850 --> 03:19:26.090Speaker 12 (Community Hall): Video, can please display what is included in the.
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Community Hall: on the… the… Okay.
126203:19:40.350 --> 03:19:44.719Speaker 21 (Community Hall): video team, we added another document, not the PowerPoint presentation.
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Speaker 12 (Community Hall): Yeah, thank you. Perfect.
126403:19:48.910 --> 03:19:52.980Speaker 12 (Community Hall): Just so that we circle back, this is the,
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Speaker 12 (Community Hall): the tenure forecast that we had included as part of the study session in May.
126603:19:59.570 --> 03:20:05.240Speaker 12 (Community Hall): And so it's… so we can reference that as an initial,
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03:20:05.900 --> 03:20:13.249Speaker 12 (Community Hall): baseline. Now, if UUT, as you can see, beginning in fiscal year 2030,
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Speaker 12 (Community Hall): We start going into a deficit, and then in 30… or 2030, yeah, and then in
2031, it increases eventually.
126903:20:21.420 --> 03:20:30.130Speaker 12 (Community Hall): In 2036, we have a $9.5 million deficit. Now, that's changed since, since then. We have 10.2 with some of the changes, however.
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Speaker 12 (Community Hall): If you were to compare that and just, assume… that the UUT is renewed.
127103:20:37.460 --> 03:20:46.250Speaker 12 (Community Hall): ongoing. You would go from a deficit of $10.5 or $9.5 million in fiscal year 2036,
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Speaker 12 (Community Hall): To a deficit of $4.5 million.
127303:20:49.860 --> 03:20:54.639Speaker 12 (Community Hall): In 2036. And so, at that point, you'll see about a $5 million swing.
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Speaker 12 (Community Hall): In terms of revenues that are being collected.
127503:21:02.440 --> 03:21:03.749J.R. Fruen, Councilmember: Thank you very much.
127603:21:08.870 --> 03:21:15.360
Speaker 2 (Community Hall): It still has a Vice Mayor on here. Oh. Okay, then Councilmember Wong?
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03:21:15.885 --> 03:21:29.104Speaker 9 (Community Hall): I just wanted to reiterate the, point Councilmember Fruma made. There's some items here in the desk memo, really about wildfire safety, to be added in the future for the CIP program, something to include it when we talk about that later, so…
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Speaker 2 (Community Hall): Councilmember Mohan?
127903:21:34.360 --> 03:21:41.130Speaker 10 (Community Hall): this is for Jonathan and staff.
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03:21:41.230 --> 03:21:50.000Speaker 10 (Community Hall): Aside from the reserve, the unassigned reserves, or the assigned reserves, we also have a fund balance.
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Speaker 10 (Community Hall): a healthy fund balance, right? And I'm not seeing that in today's staff report,
but it's in the budget book.
128203:21:58.310 --> 03:22:01.069Speaker 10 (Community Hall): Is it possible for you to pull that up, or…
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Speaker 10 (Community Hall): I think that.
128403:22:01.945 --> 03:22:08.004Speaker 12 (Community Hall): fits back to the chart that, Mayor had requested earlier. Let's pull that back up.
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Speaker 12 (Community Hall): So, the… what, the mayor had focused in what earlier was the future use
reserve, which is that
128603:22:39.765 --> 03:22:40.555Speaker 12 (Community Hall): Blue bar at the.
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Speaker 10 (Community Hall): bottom. Right, no, I wasn't talking about this. I was talking about the…
128803:22:45.905 --> 03:22:50.774Speaker 10 (Community Hall): The difference between the expenditures and the revenues, which,
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Speaker 10 (Community Hall): Which had a number… something like 177 million.
129003:22:58.950 --> 03:23:01.409Speaker 12 (Community Hall): Okay, give this brief moment, we'll pull that one up.
129103:23:12.380 --> 03:23:12.913
Community Hall: Thank you.
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03:23:13.180 --> 03:23:17.630Speaker 10 (Community Hall): And I think when I asked you this question, Jonathan, a couple of months ago.
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03:23:21.980 --> 03:23:22.670Speaker 10 (Community Hall): Yeah.
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Speaker 10 (Community Hall): Okay.
129503:23:25.380 --> 03:23:29.580Speaker 10 (Community Hall): The fund balance basically represents the…
129603:23:30.060 --> 03:23:33.510
Speaker 10 (Community Hall): Difference between expenditures and revenues,
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03:23:35.370 --> 03:23:43.569Speaker 10 (Community Hall): indicates that the revenues are higher than our expenditures. We've been cutting back on expenditures, which leads to a fund balance.
129803:23:44.150 --> 03:23:46.019
Speaker 10 (Community Hall): And so this 100 and…
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03:23:47.600 --> 03:23:57.449Speaker 10 (Community Hall): $76 million or $140 million. This is the result… this basically is the difference between budgeted revenues
130003:23:57.820 --> 03:23:59.520
Speaker 10 (Community Hall): And actual expenditures.
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03:24:00.590 --> 03:24:07.539Speaker 12 (Community Hall): I'd say it's a culmination of years' worth of revenues exceeding expenditures. Okay.
130203:24:13.220 --> 03:24:20.799
Speaker 10 (Community Hall): Okay, so on this chart, then, the $62 million, I understand, is reserved for
future use, probably the…
130303:24:20.990 --> 03:24:23.739Speaker 10 (Community Hall): the City Hall project.
130403:24:28.500 --> 03:24:33.730
Speaker 10 (Community Hall): But where, where are the other big numbers? Which, which we could use?
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03:24:33.890 --> 03:24:38.859Speaker 10 (Community Hall): Yeah, so… The unassigned, the $59 million, for example. Yeah, so that is…
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Speaker 12 (Community Hall): essentially… I hate to use the term plug, but essentially that's what it is. So, restricted funds, I'll start with the classification types. Restricted funds are funds that are restricted by outside agencies.
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Speaker 12 (Community Hall): And then committed are, council or the governing bodies, elected, or
commitment to a specific
130803:25:02.500 --> 03:25:15.420Speaker 12 (Community Hall): purpose. So we have an economic uncertainty reserve of $26 million… $26.5 million, and that is a formula-driven, which is two months' worth of expenditures and one and a half months of revenue.
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03:25:15.680 --> 03:25:31.140Speaker 12 (Community Hall): the reserve for future, use. Again, this is, just money set aside, and with the intention of using it in the future for a specific purpose. Discussions have been around… surrounding the use of this, specifically for the City Hall renovations.
131003:25:31.290 --> 03:25:33.080
Speaker 12 (Community Hall): The Sustainability Reserve.
131103:25:33.370 --> 03:25:47.770Speaker 12 (Community Hall): These are just funds that have been collected, and they've essentially remained static over the last few years. A sign, this is… you see 224 here, but this is what we could expect, to be at risk.
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Speaker 12 (Community Hall): at the end of next fiscal year, or ERAF,
131303:25:51.870 --> 03:26:01.660Speaker 12 (Community Hall): at the end of next, next year, unassigned, this is essentially what is left over, and that's your $59 billion.
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Speaker 10 (Community Hall): Right, and so what is the… does it just sit there, or what is the plan for the
$59 million?
131503:26:09.580 --> 03:26:10.320Speaker 10 (Community Hall): Currently, there.
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Speaker 12 (Community Hall): There is no specific plan for it. As you saw with the forecast, we'll be whittling
away at that over the next 10 years, unless the city,
131703:26:23.370 --> 03:26:33.280
Speaker 12 (Community Hall): Negotiates, more favorable terms, or if, let's say, the assessment for the
sheriff's contract, comes back and we're able to pay less, or what is
131803:26:34.440 --> 03:26:42.220Speaker 12 (Community Hall): Legally bound for the city, which is what that assessment is, is going to,
address.
131903:26:42.240 --> 03:26:59.680Speaker 12 (Community Hall): I think that's, comparing last year's budget to this year's forecast, that's really the primary driver of the… in our unassigned fund balance between now and fiscal year 2035-36. Right.
132003:26:59.685 --> 03:27:05.424
Speaker 10 (Community Hall): And I know your projection showed that at some point, the unassigned would
be zero.
132103:27:06.945 --> 03:27:12.764Speaker 10 (Community Hall): But that's assuming that things stay static. Now, every year, we're going to have an unassigned,
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Speaker 10 (Community Hall): amount, right? Because if we continue to be Cautious and careful in…
132303:27:19.795 --> 03:27:23.674Speaker 10 (Community Hall): In our expenditures. And if the revenues come in as…
132403:27:24.115 --> 03:27:28.855
Speaker 10 (Community Hall): They're expected to come in. We will be building up a fund balance every
year.
132503:27:29.740 --> 03:27:33.559Speaker 12 (Community Hall): That is assuming our market revenue, but…
132603:27:33.910 --> 03:27:48.149
Speaker 12 (Community Hall): exceed our expenditures. Correct. However, in a couple years, our
expenditures are going to exceed our revenues at a current level of expenditure level and of revenue,
132703:27:49.090 --> 03:27:55.369Speaker 12 (Community Hall): assumptions. So, if our expenditures continue to grow at their current level, and our revenues grow.
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Speaker 12 (Community Hall): The expenditures outpace our revenues, and it will eventually out, exceed our
collected revenues, at which point our revenue, our unassigned fund balance, will decrease.
132903:28:07.715 --> 03:28:14.325
Speaker 10 (Community Hall): And your expectation that, expenditures will increase is because of salary
increases, mainly?
133003:28:14.325 --> 03:28:20.255Speaker 12 (Community Hall): Largely driven by two factors. One main topic earlier today is the sheriff's
contract.
133103:28:20.485 --> 03:28:27.225Speaker 12 (Community Hall): The second one is the, sunset RFR user utility tax, or utility user tax.
133203:28:28.070 --> 03:28:34.759Speaker 4 (Community Hall): I just want to add a little bit to, what Jonathan's saying. So, regarding the
sheriff's contract, Councilmember Mohan, we…
133303:28:34.970 --> 03:28:37.629Speaker 4 (Community Hall): Currently, don't have a cap.
133403:28:37.980 --> 03:28:49.920Speaker 4 (Community Hall): in terms of the cost, right? So we can't even project what the cost will be for
the city, ongoing if we sign an agreement. I know we're still negotiating, but that is a big question mark right
now.
133503:28:49.990 --> 03:29:00.860Speaker 4 (Community Hall): is what that methodology looks like, what is it going to be our cost? If all terms stay the same as is today, the county's able to,
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Speaker 4 (Community Hall): Push down whatever costs they have for law enforcement onto cities, and we
just don't have any visibility on that, currently.
133703:29:10.680 --> 03:29:12.340Speaker 12 (Community Hall): That's another visual.
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Speaker 12 (Community Hall): So as you can see here, for the first 3 years, you see blue bars.
133903:29:17.890 --> 03:29:22.590Speaker 12 (Community Hall): Those blue bars indicate that the city will have revenues exceeding
134003:29:23.080 --> 03:29:37.330
Speaker 12 (Community Hall): our expenditures. And this factors in a vacancy rate, which our budget does
not. But beginning fiscal year 2030, we'll have a deficit, at which point those deficits will eat away at our
unassigned fund balance.
134103:29:43.430 --> 03:29:49.179
Speaker 10 (Community Hall): And does this, include the sheriff's contract projections?
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Speaker 10 (Community Hall): That is correct. Discharge does.
134303:29:53.910 --> 03:29:56.370Speaker 10 (Community Hall): Okay, thank you for now. You're very welcome.
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Speaker 2 (Community Hall): At this time, I'm not seeing any further hands raised from the Council. Madam
City Clerk, how many speaker cards do we have?
134503:30:12.880 --> 03:30:23.679Speaker 3 (Community Hall): Mayor, at this time, I have, 5 requests to speak, here in person in Community Hall. These are all 5 groups, totaling 34 minutes.
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Speaker 3 (Community Hall): And at this time… I don't see any hands raised virtually.
134703:30:29.315 --> 03:30:32.165Speaker 2 (Community Hall): Okay, are these a single topic.
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Speaker 3 (Community Hall): It appears they are all the same topic.
134903:30:36.240 --> 03:30:43.550Speaker 2 (Community Hall): Okay, so we're gonna go to 90 seconds per individual, or 1 minute if they're in a group, per person? Okay, thank you.
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Speaker 3 (Community Hall): And as a reminder, members of the public wishing to speak regarding this item
shall submit a request to speak, card, or raise their hand virtually within the 9 minutes of the start of public comment, or before the public comment period is closed, whichever comes first. So, at this time, we will welcome Jennifer Chen's group, followed by Marshall's group.
135103:31:03.075 --> 03:31:05.845
Speaker 3 (Community Hall): Followed by Mary's group. Welcome.
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03:31:05.865 --> 03:31:07.875Speaker 3 (Community Hall): Jennifer Chen and your group?
135303:31:12.295 --> 03:31:15.584Speaker 3 (Community Hall): Is your group, here in person representing?
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03:31:16.215 --> 03:31:21.345
Speaker 3 (Community Hall): Do you have… you have a group of people? Is that… Dina and Megan with you?
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Speaker 3 (Community Hall): I'm sorry? What a short thing? Do I need.
135603:31:23.990 --> 03:31:24.740Speaker 10 (Community Hall): group.
135703:31:25.120 --> 03:31:27.300
Speaker 3 (Community Hall): The group has to be present.
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03:31:27.600 --> 03:31:33.000Speaker 3 (Community Hall): In order to seed time, so… I am not Jennifer Chen.
135903:31:33.240 --> 03:31:34.060Speaker 3 (Community Hall): She had…
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Speaker 1 (Community Hall): to leave, so… Okay. My name is Dina Horrav. Okay. Perfect.
136103:31:39.370 --> 03:31:41.200Speaker 22 (Community Hall): I shouldn't be reading what she…
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Speaker 22 (Community Hall): Had said. Okay. Okay. Sounds great.
136303:31:43.865 --> 03:31:44.985Speaker 3 (Community Hall): Thank you.
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Speaker 22 (Community Hall): Thank you for the opportunity to speak today. I appreciate being heard, and I
would like to note that this is not mine.
136503:31:53.985 --> 03:31:54.745Speaker 2 (Community Hall): Excuse me? Pull the mic.
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Speaker 22 (Community Hall): microphone over? I'm addressing the… Pull the microphone.
136703:31:58.680 --> 03:31:59.950Speaker 2 (Community Hall): Get the microphone.
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03:32:02.120 --> 03:32:03.459Speaker 22 (Community Hall): I gotta repeat that?
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Speaker 22 (Community Hall): Reset the clock. Thank you for the opportunity to speak today. Can you hear
me now? We can.
137003:32:10.850 --> 03:32:19.510Speaker 22 (Community Hall): I appreciate being heard, and I would like to note that this is not mine, but her first time addressing the Council.
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Speaker 22 (Community Hall): I would just like to,
137203:32:24.550 --> 03:32:34.559Speaker 22 (Community Hall): have everybody here who's in support of Memorial Park Pickleball to please raise their hands.
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Speaker 22 (Community Hall): Just so you can see how many people have stuck it out tonight.
137403:32:43.690 --> 03:32:52.849Speaker 22 (Community Hall): Jennifer has been a resident of Cupertino for 25 years, and a member of our local pickleball club.
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Speaker 22 (Community Hall): I support the noise screen on the budget.
137603:32:57.660 --> 03:33:15.240Speaker 22 (Community Hall): While our courts attract players from other cities, the noise affects only our residents. This is a $150,000 project, and it costs our city only $2.50 per resident.
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Speaker 22 (Community Hall): It's a small price to pay to protect the quality of life for our neighbors. It
allows us to keep the facility open while keeping our homes quiet.
137803:33:27.570 --> 03:33:38.980Speaker 22 (Community Hall): Furthermore, these players bring economic activity to our city, as many visit our local businesses for meals and shopping after they play.
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Speaker 22 (Community Hall): This project is a practical way to support our local economy while being a good neighbor.
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Speaker 22 (Community Hall): Thank you.
138103:33:50.860 --> 03:33:54.270Speaker 3 (Community Hall): Thank you, Dina. Next we will welcome Marshall's group.
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03:33:54.450 --> 03:33:56.500Speaker 3 (Community Hall): Followed by Mary's group.
138303:33:56.600 --> 03:34:00.040Speaker 3 (Community Hall): Followed by Tom's group, followed by Bianca's group.
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Speaker 3 (Community Hall): Welcome, Marshall, and your group.
138503:34:03.600 --> 03:34:06.389Speaker 3 (Community Hall): You have 3 people, so 3 minutes?
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Speaker 3 (Community Hall): Okay, thank you for listening to us. My name's Marshall Maple.
138703:34:11.940 --> 03:34:30.500Speaker 23 (Community Hall): I moved to Cupertino in 94, I moved to California in 1981. I came here for the schools. Both my kids went K-12, graduated from Monta Vista, and I can proudly say that both of them said high school was harder than the UCs they got into. So, great job on the school system, they were ready.
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Speaker 23 (Community Hall): I chose to stay here for the weather and the outdoor activities, from volleyball, skiing, and currently pickleball.
138903:34:37.820 --> 03:34:46.700Speaker 23 (Community Hall): I started with lessons at the Cupertino Sports Center. I played regularly at Cupertino Memorial Park, probably for the last 3 years.
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03:34:46.970 --> 03:34:49.080Speaker 23 (Community Hall): I watched it transition from
139103:34:49.330 --> 03:35:05.849Speaker 23 (Community Hall): temporary lines on one tennis court to two tennis courts with permanent lines, and a whole cast of people, and the big differentiator for it is the bench on the side. The bench allows
people to congregate in between games, meet people, and socialize, and
139203:35:05.850 --> 03:35:14.800Speaker 23 (Community Hall): I started playing pickleball for the physical fitness aspect of it, but I think it's the social aspect that has kept me there all this time.
139303:35:14.810 --> 03:35:27.530Speaker 23 (Community Hall): the people behind me are a testament to that. One of the things that's neat about it is it's open play, there's a single queue, and the bench, you know, it's really not there. If you look at the other areas, like Mitchell Park.
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03:35:27.530 --> 03:35:37.809Speaker 23 (Community Hall): Regnard, or Rangsdorf, and McKenzie, they don't have that. But one thing McKenzie has done, they've installed these sound barriers. They're effective at
139503:35:37.950 --> 03:35:41.909Speaker 23 (Community Hall): handling the noise. You can talk to them and see the effectiveness of that.
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03:35:42.090 --> 03:35:48.019Speaker 23 (Community Hall): We, as the pickleball group, have proactively talked to the neighbors and
139703:35:48.140 --> 03:35:56.999Speaker 23 (Community Hall): voluntarily implemented rules to have quiet paddles in the morning, just to help them, because there is a distinct noise of pickleball, and.
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03:35:58.075 --> 03:35:58.715Speaker 11 (Community Hall): It's disturbing.
139903:35:58.715 --> 03:36:16.395Speaker 23 (Community Hall): but, you know, they appreciated that, and the sound barriers are the solution. We were kind of caught off guard that there was this temporary rule that was being proposed, no pickleball
on Monday, quiet paddles all day. It really changes the dynamic of that. They never, meaning the neighbors
never heard about it, we didn't.
140003:36:16.435 --> 03:36:24.325Speaker 23 (Community Hall): We ask that if you're going to make changes, please involve us in the discussion. We will work actively with you and all parties. But I saw that the…
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Speaker 23 (Community Hall): Sound barrier was in the approved budget. I hope it's going through. I hope
we can count on it getting installed soon, and thank you again for your time.
140203:36:34.840 --> 03:36:39.189Speaker 3 (Community Hall): Thank you, Marshall, and your group. Next, we will welcome Mary's group.
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Speaker 3 (Community Hall): Followed by Tom Cunningham's group, followed by Bianca's group.
140403:36:45.690 --> 03:36:51.420Speaker 3 (Community Hall): Good evening, Honorable Mayor, Vice Mayor, and members of the City Council.
My name is Mary Hansel.
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Speaker 21 (Community Hall): I'm a resident of Cooper.
140603:36:52.185 --> 03:36:52.925Speaker 3 (Community Hall): Portino.
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Speaker 21 (Community Hall): I'm speaking on behalf of the pickleball community in support of the proposed
sound.
140803:36:56.685 --> 03:37:05.514Speaker 24 (Community Hall): The pickleball courts are a great example of Cupertino's commitment to health and wellness, and their strategic vision to improve the quality of life here.
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Speaker 24 (Community Hall): This helps residents stay active, create social connections, and reduces isolation, benefits that become even more important as our population ages. As the Blue Zone.
141003:37:15.775 --> 03:37:26.035Speaker 24 (Community Hall): Research and longevity shows, if someone lives in a community that is
structured to encourage physical activity and socialization, people embrace it and live longer and happier
lives.
141103:37:26.255 --> 03:37:44.774Speaker 24 (Community Hall): At the same time, we want to be good neighbors. We understand and respect the concerns of nearby residents. Our community has already taken steps, as he just said, to reduce noise, encouraging use of soft paddles during the early morning hours, yet behavioral changes can only go so far. A sound wall provides a long-term solution that benefits everyone.
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Speaker 24 (Community Hall): This project solves a real neighborhood concern while preserving a self-sustaining community that's already developed significant health, wellness, and social benefits. I also know this from my own personal experience. The pickleball community welcomed me, taught me the game, and when I suffered a hamstring injury on the court, people I barely knew immediately stopped playing to help me, offer advice, and make sure I got medical care.
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Speaker 24 (Community Hall): That experience showed me that this is much more than a recreational
activity. It's a genuine community.
141403:38:12.355 --> 03:38:29.254Speaker 24 (Community Hall): Few city investments have such a broad impact for such a modest cost, and we continue to try to partner with the city to reduce staff time. This is a win for nearby residents, a win for public health, and a win for community building in Cupertino. I respectfully ask for your support on the
sound wall budget item. Thank you.
141503:38:34.670 --> 03:38:38.290Speaker 3 (Community Hall): Thank you, Mary. Next, we will welcome Tom Cunningham.
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Speaker 3 (Community Hall): Scroop?
141703:38:41.390 --> 03:38:42.949Speaker 3 (Community Hall): Followed by Bianca's group.
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Speaker 3 (Community Hall): Good evening, thank you so much.
141903:38:51.120 --> 03:38:54.250Speaker 23 (Community Hall): for, allowing us to speak today.
142003:38:54.550 --> 03:38:57.389
Speaker 23 (Community Hall): I'm here on behalf of the Pickleball Club. My name is Tom Cunning.
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03:38:57.390 --> 03:39:05.650Speaker 25 (Community Hall): I'm a Cupertino resident, and… I want to talk about impact, because that's what the pickleball community is having.
142203:39:06.370 --> 03:39:12.000
Speaker 25 (Community Hall): On a regular basis, we have some 80 people that are playing per hour, or
even less.
142303:39:13.060 --> 03:39:15.110Speaker 25 (Community Hall): Participating in this event.
142403:39:15.870 --> 03:39:19.999
Speaker 25 (Community Hall): It is engaging the community in a huge way.
1425
03:39:20.120 --> 03:39:27.539Speaker 25 (Community Hall): And I know that you're constantly searching for a better way to engage the community, to provide inclusion.
142603:39:27.880 --> 03:39:29.460
Speaker 25 (Community Hall): And to make an impact.
1427
03:39:29.580 --> 03:39:32.330Speaker 25 (Community Hall): Again, You're doing that here.
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Speaker 25 (Community Hall): But… It's important to note that pickleball is an enormously growing, popular sport.
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Speaker 25 (Community Hall): They estimate that 24 million people throughout the country are playing
pickleball, and in the last few years, it's grown 175%.
143003:39:48.690 --> 03:39:53.740Speaker 25 (Community Hall): Now… Commissioner Wang, you said
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Speaker 25 (Community Hall): When you were talking about the budget, proportionate to what we are
getting.
143203:39:58.810 --> 03:40:02.759Speaker 25 (Community Hall): Right? You have to assess things based upon what you are getting.
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Speaker 25 (Community Hall): Well, if you talk about the number of people that you're involving in the
community, It's astronomical.
143403:40:09.460 --> 03:40:27.140Speaker 25 (Community Hall): You've got a group that has over a thousand members. You have people that are not only engaging in an event that takes place locally, it was mentioned that they had stands, they have basically bleachers where people can interact as well as participate in the sport itself.
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Speaker 25 (Community Hall): But you're talking about engaging people and…
143603:40:31.670 --> 03:40:35.490Speaker 25 (Community Hall): in an organization that's aligned with Cupertino's strategic vision.
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Speaker 25 (Community Hall): Of improving quality of life through recreation and community building.
143803:40:41.390 --> 03:40:44.980Speaker 25 (Community Hall): We are the embodiment of that pledge.
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Speaker 25 (Community Hall): You're talking about multi-generational impact.
144003:40:49.590 --> 03:40:53.399Speaker 25 (Community Hall): Involving the elderly that are facing loneliness and overcoming that.
1441
03:40:53.670 --> 03:40:57.710Speaker 25 (Community Hall): Involving students that are dealing with stress and overcoming that.
1442
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Speaker 25 (Community Hall): Making children feel more comfortable, more safe in their community.
144303:41:02.780 --> 03:41:10.259Speaker 25 (Community Hall): So you've got a social connection, you've got a mental health connection. Kitty, I know that you're involved with Move More.
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Speaker 25 (Community Hall): This embodies that completely.
144503:41:15.280 --> 03:41:23.270Speaker 25 (Community Hall): You know, you've got an initiative that gets residents to be more physically active and create and join communities. You couldn't ask for a better solution.
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Speaker 25 (Community Hall): I'm just amazed, because I spoke to somebody recently
144703:41:29.460 --> 03:41:34.559Speaker 25 (Community Hall): And said they were on a cruise, and they had… Pickleball courts on the cruise!
144803:41:35.440 --> 03:41:50.079
Speaker 25 (Community Hall): I went to church on Sunday, and the priest said, you know, my triglycerides
were going through the roof, but somebody in the community here talked to me about playing this game
Pickleball, and I started doing it, and I had dangerous levels of triglycerides, and now they're down.
144903:41:50.670 --> 03:42:04.539Speaker 25 (Community Hall): You know, I don't want to sound like a snake oil salesman, but my goodness gracious, when you talk about the number of things that this particular sport is addressing in the community that are hitting the goals that we're trying to achieve, it's there!
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Speaker 25 (Community Hall): It's already there.
145103:42:07.070 --> 03:42:16.150Speaker 25 (Community Hall): I can guarantee you, and especially with, Councilman Wang's point, you're getting Bang for your buck.
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Speaker 25 (Community Hall): The sound wall…
145303:42:18.820 --> 03:42:29.620
Speaker 25 (Community Hall): is an excellent solution. I've done a lot of background research on my own.
I've spoken to Chad about this. I think it's a great solution. It's a relatively small
145403:42:29.760 --> 03:42:40.320Speaker 25 (Community Hall): cost in the grand scheme of things. $2.50 per resident, if you want to apply
that to it. But nonetheless, it's an excellent solution.
145503:42:41.470 --> 03:42:44.040Speaker 25 (Community Hall): And it can help to overcome any…
145603:42:44.560 --> 03:42:52.100Speaker 25 (Community Hall): hesitation that you might have in terms of adopting the sport, but I can
guarantee you, it's gonna grow whether we like it or not.
145703:42:53.300 --> 03:42:54.390Speaker 3 (Community Hall): Thank you for your help.
145803:42:54.770 --> 03:42:58.489Speaker 3 (Community Hall): Thank you, Tom. Next, we have Bianca and your group.
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03:43:08.360 --> 03:43:12.020Speaker 3 (Community Hall): Can you hear me? We can hear you. Okay. Thank you.
146003:43:13.100 --> 03:43:16.830Speaker 3 (Community Hall): Good evening, Mayor and members of the City Council.
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Speaker 10 (Community Hall): On behalf of our local pickleball community.
146203:43:22.030 --> 03:43:24.699Speaker 10 (Community Hall): I want to express our sincere.
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Speaker 26 (Community Hall): sincere appreciation.
146403:43:26.710 --> 03:43:32.290Speaker 26 (Community Hall): for your thoughtful consideration of the CIP Noise Atenuation Project.
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Speaker 26 (Community Hall): We recognize the challenge of balancing the concerns of neighboring
residents with the need for vibrant public recreation.
146603:43:43.510 --> 03:43:44.940Speaker 26 (Community Hall): and appreciate.
146703:43:45.230 --> 03:43:50.820Speaker 26 (Community Hall): Your commitment to listening to all perspectives before making your decision.
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Speaker 26 (Community Hall): I will not take more of your time preparing the well-known benefits of
pickleball.
146903:43:59.060 --> 03:44:02.420Speaker 26 (Community Hall): You are already familiar with the positive impact
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Speaker 26 (Community Hall): This sport has on the physical health, mental well-being.
147103:44:07.520 --> 03:44:10.289Speaker 26 (Community Hall): And social connections of our residents.
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Speaker 26 (Community Hall): Our club's efforts have always been aligned with the city's strategic vision.
147303:44:18.880 --> 03:44:20.440Speaker 26 (Community Hall): Promoting health?
147403:44:20.990 --> 03:44:27.539
Speaker 26 (Community Hall): Community connection, And free, inclusive recreation for all residents.
1475
03:44:28.880 --> 03:44:37.549Speaker 26 (Community Hall): We are also committed to building trust and continuing to work with Parks and Recreations to help reduce staff time
147603:44:37.750 --> 03:44:41.190
Speaker 26 (Community Hall): And support practical, long-term solutions.
1477
03:44:42.360 --> 03:44:50.699Speaker 26 (Community Hall): As you deliver it, We trust in your commitment to serve the best interest of the entire community.
147803:44:51.620 --> 03:44:58.629
Speaker 26 (Community Hall): We respectfully ask that you approve the CIP Noise Attenuation Project
1479
03:44:59.000 --> 03:45:04.110Speaker 26 (Community Hall): Which… which preserves both neighborhood quality of life.
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Speaker 26 (Community Hall): Without compromising access to this valuable community recreation resource.
148103:45:10.740 --> 03:45:12.940Speaker 26 (Community Hall): Thank you for your ongoing service.
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03:45:13.050 --> 03:45:16.809Speaker 26 (Community Hall): Your dedication to our community, and for taking
148303:45:17.020 --> 03:45:19.039Speaker 26 (Community Hall): The time to listen to us.
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Speaker 26 (Community Hall): The pickleball community wants to move more with Major, getting more.
148503:45:33.260 --> 03:45:34.390Speaker 3 (Community Hall): Thank you, Bianca.
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Speaker 3 (Community Hall): And that concludes the request to speak in person in Community Hall. We do
have one hand raised virtually. At this time, we will go ahead and welcome San Rao.
148703:45:48.030 --> 03:45:55.850San Rao: Good evening, Mayor Moore and Councilmember, speaking on behalf of myself only as a resident. I will say that I have followed
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San Rao: Budget discussions for many years now.
148903:45:58.900 --> 03:46:02.390San Rao: And this year is probably the least transparent.
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San Rao: And the least amount of…
149103:46:05.470 --> 03:46:17.279San Rao: Exposure that residents have had on the actual year-over-year variances, on revenue line items, on expense line items, on departmental line items.
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San Rao: I… I'm appalled that we spent all the community outreach Talking about some… feature…
149303:46:27.640 --> 03:46:39.649San Rao: of OpenGow, open-gau stories, which, at the very onset, I had warned that this is a distraction and
has nothing to do with the specifics of actual budgetary line items.
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San Rao: Today, there has been not a single mention of Open Gao stories.
149503:46:43.700 --> 03:46:51.200San Rao: And yet, multiple community outreach sessions were held on OpenGov stories, which has had no relevance to the discussion today.
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San Rao: In reality, this was just a ruse.
149703:46:54.510 --> 03:46:58.229San Rao: It was a ruse to distract the public from the real conversations.
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San Rao: For the first time today.
149903:47:00.810 --> 03:47:05.679San Rao: There is a budget report that does not show year over year for past 5 years.
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03:47:06.100 --> 03:47:11.729
San Rao: I want to thank Vice Mayor Chao for asking the questions that need to be asked about 2019.
150103:47:12.080 --> 03:47:14.580San Rao: You actually need to go back to 2014.
150203:47:15.100 --> 03:47:17.510
San Rao: Cupertino's population has declined.
150303:47:18.120 --> 03:47:20.080San Rao: And our staffing has increased.
150403:47:20.630 --> 03:47:27.450San Rao: And we're seeing Abhorrent cuts that are being proposed to kid safety
1505
03:47:27.740 --> 03:47:32.189San Rao: disguising it as CUSD and FUHSD, when in reality the…
150603:47:32.190 --> 03:47:33.599Speaker 3 (Community Hall): Sam, that is your time?
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Speaker 3 (Community Hall): Thank you.
150803:47:35.010 --> 03:47:37.530Speaker 3 (Community Hall): Mayor, that concludes the request to speak on this item.
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Speaker 2 (Community Hall): All right, I see a one hand raised. Councilmember Wong?
151003:47:45.540 --> 03:47:52.620Speaker 9 (Community Hall): Yeah, I wasn't gonna talk about pickleball sound walls, but given how many people showed up here, I wanna know, how many people in this room are actually from Cupertino? Raise your hands.
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03:47:52.850 --> 03:47:54.699Speaker 9 (Community Hall): You're all Cupertino residents?
151203:47:54.930 --> 03:48:00.339Speaker 9 (Community Hall): Okay. And when we go to the pickleball course, how many people are… what percentage are actual pickleball residents?
1513
03:48:01.040 --> 03:48:06.339Speaker 9 (Community Hall): It's a very small number. You guys know that. I'm not gonna go there. We're not against pickleball.
151403:48:07.690 --> 03:48:13.570Speaker 2 (Community Hall): Pardon? Councilmember Wong, try not to engage the… Okay, I will do that.
1515
03:48:13.570 --> 03:48:14.379Speaker 9 (Community Hall): Thank you.
151603:48:14.490 --> 03:48:28.900Speaker 9 (Community Hall): So when we talk about proportionate, right, it's an issue, it's very important to know that. And the issue really is, I mean, when you're looking at resident versus non-resident fees,
Cupertino does not charge resident versus non-resident fees. That's why everybody's there. And so…
151703:48:29.940 --> 03:48:31.220Speaker 2 (Community Hall): Pardon?
151803:48:32.690 --> 03:48:35.830Speaker 9 (Community Hall): I'm not trying to create a fight with you guys, we're not against pickleball.
1519
03:48:36.170 --> 03:48:36.940Speaker 9 (Community Hall): Excuse me.
152003:48:37.605 --> 03:48:42.255
Speaker 2 (Community Hall): You can… Excuse me. Members of the public, do not shout out.
152103:48:42.385 --> 03:48:47.454Speaker 2 (Community Hall): Councilmember Wong has the floor. Your time to speak has already passed.
Thank you.
152203:48:47.460 --> 03:48:48.140Speaker 11 (Community Hall): So…
152303:48:48.140 --> 03:48:55.410Speaker 9 (Community Hall): I'm not against the sound wall either. I think it's important. Right now, we
have a proposal for a sound wall that's 3 times the cost of a normal sound wall.
152403:48:55.410 --> 03:49:11.540Speaker 9 (Community Hall): When I'm down in Naples at the Professional Center with 60 courts, I mean, they've got sound walls, and they've got really good sound walls. That's not the point. The point is, we have a very expensive proposal out there that should be one-third the cost for what it is, and if you look in the letter that was sent in to, comments to the public.
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Speaker 9 (Community Hall): Right? A contractor actually proposed to actually do it for us for one-third the
cost that was proposed. So it's not about having a sound wall or not having a sound wall.
152603:49:19.400 --> 03:49:29.680Speaker 9 (Community Hall): it's a question of, are we paying too much for a sound wall? So, I think it's really important to look at that, and if we're gonna put $150,000 on a sound wall that's really worth $50,000,
and even then, it was a $30,000 quote.
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03:49:30.050 --> 03:49:37.500Speaker 9 (Community Hall): I mean, that's already too much. So, I think we should be looking at how much it should be, and I think that's an important piece. So, no one's against it. Pickleball.
152803:49:37.760 --> 03:49:47.850
Speaker 9 (Community Hall): But I think the way it's being organized, the way it's, are you a resident, not a
resident, can you talk with a resident? Can you speak with a resident? The way you guys are organized
makes it seem very antagonistic. That's not the point.
152903:49:48.120 --> 03:50:01.899Speaker 9 (Community Hall): I mean, people want different activities, people want quality of life, but not at $150,000, and I encourage staff to go back and find a better proposal, not at $150,000 for a sound wall, when it really costs $30,000, and I'd be happy to approve $50,000.
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03:50:04.990 --> 03:50:08.809
Speaker 2 (Community Hall): All right, thank you, Councilmember Wong.
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Speaker 2 (Community Hall): I think, at this time, we should probably parse out the pickleball item and separate the vote on that.
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Speaker 2 (Community Hall): Vice Mayor?
153303:50:23.630 --> 03:50:24.210Community Hall: Oh.
153403:50:24.760 --> 03:50:31.740
Speaker 2 (Community Hall): So… Pardon, so what I'm looking for is a motion simply on the pickleball item.
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03:50:31.745 --> 03:50:32.505Speaker 11 (Community Hall): First?
153603:50:32.505 --> 03:50:39.265Speaker 9 (Community Hall): Well, I would make a motion to approve the pickleball sound wall at $50,000,
not at $150,000. Is there a second for that?
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03:50:39.265 --> 03:50:42.235Speaker 2 (Community Hall): I have an alternative motion. Oh, you got an alternative motion?
153803:50:42.235 --> 03:50:42.885Speaker 11 (Community Hall): Go for it.
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03:50:45.580 --> 03:50:56.220
Speaker 2 (Community Hall): Oh, would you like to move? Yeah, you do. Okay. Okay, so, I wouldn't… Personally spend money
154003:50:56.450 --> 03:51:05.769Speaker 2 (Community Hall): or allocate money for a sound wall without having any idea if it could even
possibly work. So, some other options we can do…
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03:51:05.950 --> 03:51:15.389Speaker 2 (Community Hall): Would be to continue the pilot program, provide a 3-month update on the pilot program, particularly with information on enforcement.
154203:51:15.780 --> 03:51:31.660
Speaker 2 (Community Hall): Send the pickleball noise issue to the Parks and Recreation Commission. Two,
along with staff, come up with an array of options, including municipal code restrictions on the placement of
further pickleball courts near sensitive receptors.
154303:51:31.660 --> 03:51:36.860Speaker 2 (Community Hall): Allocate a funding of $10,000 for professional noise study.
154403:51:36.860 --> 03:52:01.259Speaker 2 (Community Hall): to determine if a sound wall at Memorial Park would or could reduce the noise levels from both the bleachers and pickleball courts to meet the municipal code noise ordinance and remove the wall funding until we have more information and direction. The noise study results would go to the Parks
and Recreation Commission for their discussion.
154503:52:01.260 --> 03:52:05.289Speaker 2 (Community Hall): And they would study, also, the impact of the sound frequency.
154603:52:05.350 --> 03:52:07.499Speaker 2 (Community Hall): Do I have a second? Oh, sucker.
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03:52:07.500 --> 03:52:22.430Speaker 6 (Community Hall): that, but I don't agree completely. That's fine, we can modify. Okay. So, I… I think $150,000 for the sound wall is really not a lot to spend if it has
154803:52:22.790 --> 03:52:42.269Speaker 6 (Community Hall): does reduce the noise impact to the neighbors. So I agree that we should do a
study so that we know what's the current noise level, including not only just the regular decibel, but also
really measure the impact of frequencies of sound.
154903:52:42.270 --> 03:52:52.640Speaker 6 (Community Hall): So, the actual impact to the human ear, and then what would be expected of sound after we have the barrier.
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Speaker 6 (Community Hall): I understand from staff, I think one of my main concerns was I don't want to
see an opaque barrier that I've seen in other cities. It's not only aesthetically not…
155103:53:05.630 --> 03:53:16.150Speaker 6 (Community Hall): good, but also, I think that I do concern about safety when you can't really see anything within a space. But I understand from the staff.
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Speaker 6 (Community Hall): transparent panel, actually, the cost is about the same as OPEC panel, but the
noise reduction level might be not as good. That's why I think we need to do study. And where I disagree is,
155303:53:32.990 --> 03:53:34.700Speaker 6 (Community Hall): I… hope?
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Speaker 6 (Community Hall): because the pilot… the process of designing, I appreciate the staff for taking
the effort to, start the pilot, but I feel the process of
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Speaker 6 (Community Hall): deriving that program didn't really have a public process. And I appreciate that, staff wants to,
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Speaker 6 (Community Hall): Reduce the early morning hours so that… because as a neighbor, being subject
to early morning noise 24, 7 days a week is a lot.
155703:54:10.840 --> 03:54:21.469Speaker 6 (Community Hall): So, I appreciate that. However, I don't understand why we need to have a Monday off, specifically.
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Speaker 6 (Community Hall): So I'm hoping maybe that they lay the pilot, just send this to the Parks and Rec
Commission to decide the parameters of a pilot. Then we implement a pilot for 3 months.
155903:54:38.690 --> 03:54:40.610Speaker 2 (Community Hall): Okay, thank you, Vice Mayor.
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Speaker 6 (Community Hall): I talked to the immediate neighbor also.
156103:54:44.115 --> 03:54:53.284Speaker 6 (Community Hall): What they are saying is because of the early summer, some people are starting to play on things like 6.30am.
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Speaker 6 (Community Hall): And that's really too early. And I actually looked around to the other… I used
Google Maps to look at all the other pickleball courts that's next to single-family home neighbors.
156303:55:08.315 --> 03:55:14.405Speaker 6 (Community Hall): None of them is as close as the one that's in Memorial Park. And,
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Speaker 6 (Community Hall): the one at Calabasas Park is…
156503:55:18.295 --> 03:55:23.685Speaker 6 (Community Hall): Close second, however, they… their hours don't start until 9 o'clock or 4.
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Speaker 6 (Community Hall): So, ours really is very… early, and I understand that the…
156703:55:32.645 --> 03:55:46.605Speaker 6 (Community Hall): this… we… we will have to provide more pickleball courts as a city, because this is a growing sport, that need is there. But then, I think it's important that we make the first
156803:55:47.105 --> 03:55:53.035Speaker 6 (Community Hall): experience enjoyable for the players and the neighbors, so that
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Speaker 6 (Community Hall): We paved past the paths for more.
157003:55:56.845 --> 03:56:12.904Speaker 6 (Community Hall): pickleball courts. It's similar to how we did the dog off-leash pilot. It was very contentious in the city. For many years, there were opposition to that. But we started a pilot.
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Speaker 6 (Community Hall): And then, I think because the community and the city staff was very careful in
implementing that pilot.
157203:56:20.105 --> 03:56:29.624Speaker 6 (Community Hall): And that relieved a lot of people's concern about potentially aggressive dogs. And then, eventually, we were able to
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Speaker 6 (Community Hall): implement that in more parks. So that's what I would like to see, and let's be careful and implement it really well, so that we find the best solution for pickleball.
157403:56:43.295 --> 03:56:49.384Speaker 6 (Community Hall): So I'm hoping… Let's have the Parks and Rec come up with us.
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Speaker 6 (Community Hall): pilot in a month, then… So we… that's, you don't.
157603:56:57.825 --> 03:56:58.564Speaker 10 (Community Hall): Oh, no.
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Speaker 2 (Community Hall): So, no, and the reason why is that even, somewhat quieter sports, like soccer.
157803:57:05.410 --> 03:57:30.379Speaker 2 (Community Hall): They don't have Sunday play, and the reason why that was enacted was so that the neighbors around the field would get arrest from having the soccer games going on throughout the weekend. And so they would have Sunday off, and there's other sports within the city that aren't allowed Sunday play, and it's specifically for the neighbors to have
1579
03:57:30.380 --> 03:57:47.249Speaker 2 (Community Hall): that rest time. This, in particular, I've been out, in, around 10, around 2, and then also in the evenings. This, we are violating our, our own noise ordinance, currently, and the residents have the,
158003:57:47.250 --> 03:57:57.739Speaker 2 (Community Hall): the right to enjoy their peaceful, peaceful existence and use of their own, property. And this makes it so that,
1581
03:57:57.800 --> 03:58:00.540
Speaker 2 (Community Hall): You're gonna be listening to
158203:58:00.650 --> 03:58:18.480Speaker 2 (Community Hall): noise all day long, and it isn't just the pickleball noise of the sport, it's also, particularly in the evening, it's the fans, and I have a great concern that while individuals are talking about how great those bleachers are.
1583
03:58:18.580 --> 03:58:23.169Speaker 2 (Community Hall): In order to block sound, you need to be about 13 feet above
158403:58:23.170 --> 03:58:38.800Speaker 2 (Community Hall): where the sound is being generated from. So if you have individuals sitting up in the bleachers, they're saying you've got 80 people out there, so that means all the levels of the bleachers
will be taken up. That sound wall would then have to be higher than the individuals in the bleachers who are
158503:58:38.800 --> 03:58:53.570Speaker 2 (Community Hall): who are making noise. Oh. So it becomes quite a challenge. So I would not… personally, I think having a day off is… is very kind for those neighbors, and… and it's a shame that the city has… has actually,
1586
03:58:53.570 --> 03:59:01.860
Speaker 2 (Community Hall): kind of done this to them, without any consideration or care, asking them what
they think.
158703:59:01.865 --> 03:59:02.435Speaker 10 (Community Hall): Yes.
1588
03:59:02.440 --> 03:59:18.620
Speaker 6 (Community Hall): So, you remind me a point. I think if when we consider sound barrier, we
probably also want to put barriers next to the bleachers, because I spoke to some of the immediate
neighbors.
158903:59:18.700 --> 03:59:22.529Speaker 6 (Community Hall): They are intimidated, by…
1590
03:59:23.560 --> 03:59:41.669
Speaker 6 (Community Hall): the group that they are afraid to speak up, many of them. They… some of
them… it's right in front of their home, they love to play pickleball, they love to join the community, but they were intimidated and even been excluded from the group.
1591
03:59:41.830 --> 03:59:54.879Speaker 6 (Community Hall): And that really is not very neighborly, some of the behavior, so I hope the group can consider that you… if you want, really, this is, going to be a…
1592
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Speaker 6 (Community Hall): Welcoming community. We need to be… really be friendly to the neighbors
who actually are suffering the noise every day.
159304:00:03.420 --> 04:00:10.919Speaker 6 (Community Hall): If… and also, I think you… what you reminded me is, if we are looking at some barrier, I…
1594
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Speaker 6 (Community Hall): I think one thing they mentioned is not only the noise from the pickleball, it's also the shouting of people from the bleachers that's, creating noise. And,
159504:00:25.280 --> 04:00:37.090Speaker 6 (Community Hall): So maybe we should consider a barrier that will go over the bleacher area also, if that's something, maybe that's when we do the study, that could be considered also.
1596
04:00:38.880 --> 04:00:40.330Speaker 2 (Community Hall): Councilmember Mohan.
159704:00:43.890 --> 04:00:54.660Speaker 10 (Community Hall): So, the Pickleball Sound Wall is part of a new CIP project that staff is proposing, and we have gone through
1598
04:00:54.890 --> 04:01:01.629Speaker 10 (Community Hall): Many, many hours of discussion about pros, cons, about pickleball, and
159904:01:01.880 --> 04:01:07.109Speaker 10 (Community Hall): resident, use and non-resident use and so on. But…
1600
04:01:07.840 --> 04:01:13.720
Speaker 10 (Community Hall): And staff came up with a pilot project proposal.
160104:01:13.840 --> 04:01:22.099Speaker 10 (Community Hall): And… Our understanding was that that would take effect if the sound wall did not happen.
1602
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Speaker 10 (Community Hall): Is that right?
160304:01:27.030 --> 04:01:30.820
Speaker 10 (Community Hall): That it was either going to be the sound wall or the pilot project.
1604
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Speaker 4 (Community Hall): I think the… if the sound wall, which… which, you know, wasn't approved… the trial was brought forward when the sound wall was not… was not approved yet.
160504:01:42.990 --> 04:01:43.650Speaker 26 (Community Hall): Correct.
1606
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Speaker 10 (Community Hall): And the conversation was that if the sound wall was built.
160704:01:50.300 --> 04:02:05.060Speaker 10 (Community Hall): That would be a solution to the problem of noise and so on. And then the pilot project that staff had proposed would not be needed if the sound wall was successful.
1608
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Speaker 10 (Community Hall): regardless, the $150,000 is just a budgeted amount. Now, if we… and I'm assuming, Chad, and I think I spoke to Chad some weeks ago, the…
160904:02:21.550 --> 04:02:29.430Speaker 10 (Community Hall): Plan is that we would go out, get bids, go with the lowest bid, or the most,
1610
04:02:31.900 --> 04:02:51.129
Speaker 10 (Community Hall): the most efficient bit that we receive, and so on. So the $150,000 is not that we're going to go out and spend $150,000. If we get a proposal for $30,000, of course we'll spend $30,000. And then that $120,000 will be part of the fund balance for next year.
161104:02:52.040 --> 04:03:10.619
Speaker 10 (Community Hall): I mean, going back to my earlier talk about, the fund balance. So the
$150,000 doesn't mean we are going to go out and spend $150,000. So let's keep it in the budget, let's see
what Public Works and Parks and Recreation and whoever else wants to get involved, look into,
161204:03:10.740 --> 04:03:12.740Speaker 10 (Community Hall): the…
1613
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Speaker 10 (Community Hall): convenience, or the efficiency, or the success of the sound wall. Let's not just
dismiss it out of hand.
161404:03:23.280 --> 04:03:33.869Speaker 10 (Community Hall): because we think we have better solutions. We are not the pickleball experts. We have staff who will do it for us, and my…
1615
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Speaker 10 (Community Hall): position is that we leave the sound wall as is in a CIP project, as a CIP
project, and leave the $150,000 as a place marker.
161604:03:47.410 --> 04:03:59.989Speaker 8 (Community Hall): Councilwoman Mohan, is that a motion that you're making now? Oh, no, I
don't know where we are on… We have two motions. We had the first motion, Councilmember Wong's
motion, which did not get a second, and we had Mayor Moore's motion, which,
161704:04:00.530 --> 04:04:08.100Speaker 8 (Community Hall): Received a second, but it was sort of a second with extra items, and so that second was rejected.
1618
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Speaker 10 (Community Hall): So, can this be a…
161904:04:12.000 --> 04:04:12.360J.R. Fruen, Councilmember: Oh, friend.
162004:04:12.360 --> 04:04:13.680
Speaker 10 (Community Hall): the amendment?
162104:04:13.960 --> 04:04:15.740Speaker 10 (Community Hall): Actually…
162204:04:15.740 --> 04:04:18.799J.R. Fruen, Councilmember: As a point of order, I think it's a substitute motion.
1623
04:04:18.970 --> 04:04:21.180Speaker 11 (Community Hall): Where are we?
162404:04:21.440 --> 04:04:23.260Speaker 8 (Community Hall): Thank you, Councilmember Rock.
1625
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Speaker 2 (Community Hall): I have a different second on my motion?
162604:04:25.505 --> 04:04:33.534Speaker 6 (Community Hall): Oh, sorry, I did second Mayor Moore, it's just I would like to… I proposed an amendment that wasn't accepted.
1627
04:04:33.725 --> 04:04:36.535
Speaker 6 (Community Hall): But I do second Mayor's,
162804:04:36.975 --> 04:04:43.464
Speaker 6 (Community Hall): Motion. Okay, very well. So, it's just my proposed amendment wasn't accepted.
1629
04:04:43.465 --> 04:04:46.464
Speaker 8 (Community Hall): Okay, so you second Fair Moore's.
163004:04:46.465 --> 04:04:47.055Speaker 2 (Community Hall): motion.
1631
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Speaker 2 (Community Hall): Okay, so I'm up, director Mosley?
163204:04:52.535 --> 04:04:55.044Speaker 2 (Community Hall): Thank you. You also…
1633
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Speaker 10 (Community Hall): Councilmember Faroux? Yes, good.
163404:04:59.890 --> 04:05:00.599Community Hall: These notes.
163504:05:04.950 --> 04:05:13.110
Speaker 2 (Community Hall): Okay, so, good evening. So, if we were to do a noise study, what kind of
information would we get out of that?
163604:05:13.330 --> 04:05:15.790Speaker 2 (Community Hall): And about how much would it cost? .
163704:05:15.790 --> 04:05:23.729
Speaker 23 (Community Hall): For a noise study, we would analyze, existing, noise levels, and I would have
a noise,
163804:05:23.730 --> 04:05:26.240Speaker 27 (Community Hall): consultant, evaluate
163904:05:26.240 --> 04:05:46.700
Speaker 27 (Community Hall): if sound panels would be adequate to address the noise levels that we're
looking at. In this situation, we'd probably be looking to make sure that we could bring those noise levels
down to something that's consistent with the existing tennis courts. And the approximate cost for that's
about $13,000.
164004:05:46.705 --> 04:05:51.925Speaker 2 (Community Hall): 1,000, okay. So, I need to… so, probably…
1641
04:05:52.395 --> 04:06:00.325
Speaker 2 (Community Hall): $15,000 would probably be a more sensible, funding allocation to have a study
conducted.
164204:06:00.560 --> 04:06:04.170Speaker 27 (Community Hall): I have currently a proposal for $13,100.
1643
04:06:04.175 --> 04:06:05.105Speaker 11 (Community Hall): Okay.
164404:06:05.110 --> 04:06:10.009Speaker 2 (Community Hall): So, I'll take that as a yes. Yes. Okay, okay.
1645
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Speaker 2 (Community Hall): And then…
164604:06:11.600 --> 04:06:19.439Speaker 2 (Community Hall): They would determine also if they would be able to reduce the sound from the bleachers area as well.
1647
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Speaker 27 (Community Hall): And we could have them look at that when, when we have them evaluate that area.
164804:06:22.995 --> 04:06:23.705Speaker 11 (Community Hall): Okay.
1649
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Speaker 2 (Community Hall): And then, alternatively, if there is no way to, to bring that sound level down.
165004:06:30.865 --> 04:06:38.835Speaker 2 (Community Hall): You would need to perhaps move the pickleball courts to the other end, or another area of that tennis.
1651
04:06:39.470 --> 04:06:46.819
Speaker 27 (Community Hall): court. We'd be looking at alternatives besides the sound walls. I'm not gonna spend any more money on sound walls if it's not gonna work.
165204:06:46.820 --> 04:06:47.619Speaker 11 (Community Hall): Okay, and that.
1653
04:06:47.625 --> 04:06:52.305
Speaker 2 (Community Hall): That's really kind of my point here as well, is to…
165404:06:52.765 --> 04:07:17.755
Speaker 2 (Community Hall): don't allocate money and start just going shopping for something if you don't
know if it's even going to work in the end, and then we're going to look rather ridiculous for having spent a bunch of money on something that doesn't work, and now the neighbors will have to look at something that they might not like the look of. It's going to be blocking their view, because right now you can't see through all of the light material there, and you can see it
1655
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Speaker 2 (Community Hall): rest of the park, so I'm concerned about impacting their… their view that they've enjoyed. So now they've had the noise impacted on them, and then they're going to have this… this structure put in front of them. And so I… I certainly hope that there will… would be outreach, to the neighbors who are going to be needing to look at whatever is put there, if that's how it turns out.
165604:07:42.245 --> 04:07:46.695
Speaker 2 (Community Hall): thank you. Councilmember Wong, and then Vice Mayor.
165704:07:47.240 --> 04:07:49.109Speaker 11 (Community Hall): Actually, KR should go first. Okay, I'm sorry.
165804:07:49.110 --> 04:07:53.500Speaker 2 (Community Hall): Thank you, thank you for the reminder. Councilmember Fruen.
1659
04:07:54.530 --> 04:08:00.279J.R. Fruen, Councilmember: No, I just wasn't clear on whether Councilmember Mohan wanted to offer her substitute motion or not.
166004:08:04.240 --> 04:08:05.580Speaker 2 (Community Hall): Go for it if you want.
1661
04:08:08.590 --> 04:08:09.420J.R. Fruen, Councilmember: Whoa!
166204:08:09.740 --> 04:08:13.659Speaker 2 (Community Hall): He's asking. He's asking you. Substitute motion.
1663
04:08:14.870 --> 04:08:17.960
Speaker 10 (Community Hall): Councilmember Fruen, did you say something?
166404:08:18.220 --> 04:08:27.520J.R. Fruen, Councilmember: Yes, no, it sounded like you were trying to offer a substitute motion for the CIP item, as it appears in the budget presently.
1665
04:08:28.670 --> 04:08:29.919
Speaker 10 (Community Hall): Yes, I was.
166604:08:31.160 --> 04:08:33.560
J.R. Fruen, Councilmember: Okay. If… are you making that motion?
1667
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Speaker 10 (Community Hall): I am making, I'm making that motion. Very well.
166804:08:37.010 --> 04:08:38.210J.R. Fruen, Councilmember: then I will second it.
1669
04:08:39.780 --> 04:08:45.819
Speaker 2 (Community Hall): Okay, so we have a motion and a second. We could deliberate on that, unless
we're ready to go for a vote.
167004:08:48.000 --> 04:08:59.619Speaker 2 (Community Hall): I will not be supporting it. As you understand, coming from an engineering background, you do a noise study, determine if something is going to work, you don't just start… start
building.
1671
04:09:00.160 --> 04:09:02.619Speaker 2 (Community Hall): Oh, a question…
167204:09:04.790 --> 04:09:07.309Speaker 6 (Community Hall): So this sounds barrier…
1673
04:09:07.880 --> 04:09:20.270
Speaker 6 (Community Hall): how tall would that be? Would that be… how do I know how effective would that be? Because I… from the neighbors, I think the main concern also is
167404:09:20.300 --> 04:09:34.949Speaker 6 (Community Hall): for a second floor bedroom window that's facing the pickleball, and those are
the people who are mostly affected from early morning noise. And… but then they are higher up, so…
1675
04:09:35.380 --> 04:09:48.940Speaker 6 (Community Hall): I do wonder if we do a barrier sound… the study for the effectiveness. Are we going to look at how tall the sound world would be? How effective they would be at different height?
167604:09:49.330 --> 04:09:50.510
Speaker 6 (Community Hall): I assume.
1677
04:09:50.770 --> 04:09:52.229Speaker 6 (Community Hall): We can look at that.
167804:10:01.760 --> 04:10:08.619Speaker 27 (Community Hall): Hello? Okay. We're looking at putting in the sound, panels on the existing
fence, which is 12 feet high.
1679
04:10:08.840 --> 04:10:09.940Speaker 27 (Community Hall): So…
1680
04:10:09.940 --> 04:10:15.709
Speaker 6 (Community Hall): Okay, so that means we might not be able to reduce noise to the second floor.
168104:10:16.060 --> 04:10:17.760Speaker 6 (Community Hall): window.
168204:10:17.760 --> 04:10:31.840
Speaker 27 (Community Hall): There… as I look to the north, I think there's just one house that has a
second floor, and it doesn't seem to have windows that are focused towards the courts, but that will be
something that the sound engineer will evaluate.
168304:10:32.150 --> 04:10:33.190Speaker 27 (Community Hall): Okay.
1684
04:10:33.190 --> 04:10:40.990
Speaker 6 (Community Hall): Okay, and likely it won't bounce as the sound, so the sound actually will be
louder elsewhere.
168504:10:41.220 --> 04:10:42.870Speaker 6 (Community Hall): The…
1686
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Speaker 27 (Community Hall): again, I'll have an acoustic engineer look at this, but, currently the concept is
to have some absorptive panels, and then potentially some that will reflect, so it may, reflect some of that
sound, south towards the courts, or towards the park.
168704:11:02.880 --> 04:11:04.240Speaker 27 (Community Hall): Oh, okay.
1688
04:11:04.960 --> 04:11:07.850
Speaker 6 (Community Hall): Okay.
168904:11:09.220 --> 04:11:15.850Speaker 6 (Community Hall): So, if we approve the sun barrier budget, are you still going to do a study?
1690
04:11:17.780 --> 04:11:23.249
Speaker 27 (Community Hall): Yeah, I mean, if we get a sound barrier, Our first step is to…
169104:11:23.460 --> 04:11:26.100Speaker 27 (Community Hall): Perform the… the sound analysis.
1692
04:11:26.300 --> 04:11:42.930Speaker 27 (Community Hall): And we'll evaluate if it's going to kind of meet expectations, and at that point in time, we could share that, report. But if it's not going to meet expectations, I am not spending another dime, and we'll… we'll figure out what other options are available.
1693
04:11:44.430 --> 04:11:54.369
Speaker 27 (Community Hall): But if it does look like it's going to work, the next step would be having an engineering… a structural analysis done on that existing fence, because it needs to be structurally shored up.
169404:11:54.660 --> 04:11:58.139Speaker 27 (Community Hall): Because it's not simple enough to handle.
1695
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Speaker 6 (Community Hall): You will still do a study, and if it turns out that we cannot reduce the noise to the level of the tennis court, you will come to the council to report that this is not going to work, and then maybe we have to find other solutions, and then
169604:12:17.495 --> 04:12:21.414Speaker 6 (Community Hall): We can remove that allocation from the budget.
1697
04:12:21.415 --> 04:12:24.715Speaker 27 (Community Hall): we can… we can definitely report back. If… if it's not gonna work.
169804:12:24.935 --> 04:12:26.684Speaker 27 (Community Hall): Yeah, I'll let you guys know.
1699
04:12:27.085 --> 04:12:27.905
Speaker 27 (Community Hall): Hmm…
170004:12:29.610 --> 04:12:33.060Speaker 6 (Community Hall): Would that be acceptable from the mayor?
1701
04:12:33.060 --> 04:12:37.759
Speaker 2 (Community Hall): Ordinarily, we do design, you have a design phase, and then…
170204:12:38.040 --> 04:12:48.110Speaker 2 (Community Hall): staff comes back and requests for the funding for the build. So here, you're trying to lump everything all together, which isn't how the CIP projects
1703
04:12:48.240 --> 04:13:07.329
Speaker 2 (Community Hall): ordinarily work, and so I would still keep it doing the normal process, where
you're going to do the design, essentially, get the noise study, get the design, see what has to be built, especially with regards to the bleachers, because I don't think you're going to be able to reduce the noise out of them.
1704
04:13:07.670 --> 04:13:27.429Speaker 2 (Community Hall): At all. And I also think you're gonna have sound coming up over this wall, since you're using the existing, height, panels as well. And you need to be 13 feet above the source of the noise in order to, block it. So if you have a person standing that's… that's facing the house,
1705
04:13:27.890 --> 04:13:38.429
Speaker 2 (Community Hall): hootin' and hollering, it's gonna… it's gonna go over the fence, and they're going to hear it. It won't block it. So that's why I say do the study first,
170604:13:38.490 --> 04:13:48.289Speaker 2 (Community Hall): And then follow the process, do the design, and then come back for the… for the funding, if that works. It may be that the pilot study, actually
1707
04:13:48.610 --> 04:13:56.220Speaker 2 (Community Hall): The neighbors really like it, and that works, and that's a solution moving forward, and the city doesn't have to spend,
170804:13:56.830 --> 04:14:03.549Speaker 2 (Community Hall): More money on this project. But that would be, really, to me, ideal.
1709
04:14:06.880 --> 04:14:08.900Speaker 2 (Community Hall): Councilmember… Councilmember Wang.
171004:14:09.610 --> 04:14:10.440Speaker 2 (Community Hall): Cool.
1711
04:14:12.190 --> 04:14:15.389
Speaker 9 (Community Hall): Oh, actually, sorry about that, I'm in resi… I'll take that off.
171204:14:16.610 --> 04:14:18.639Speaker 9 (Community Hall): But I'm willing to support your motion.
1713
04:14:23.270 --> 04:14:32.879
Speaker 2 (Community Hall): Right, so we have a substitute motion, and then the main motion, the
substitute motion is to fund the whole thing now, and…
171404:14:34.270 --> 04:14:36.179Speaker 2 (Community Hall): see what happens. Okay.
1715
04:14:36.185 --> 04:14:41.055
Speaker 6 (Community Hall): So the substitute motion, what's your thought on the pilot program?
171604:14:41.565 --> 04:14:42.305Speaker 10 (Community Hall): George.
171704:14:42.830 --> 04:14:43.679Speaker 6 (Community Hall): Stop the pile.
1718
04:14:43.685 --> 04:14:46.685
Speaker 10 (Community Hall): Yes, if the sound was.
171904:14:46.685 --> 04:14:52.164Speaker 6 (Community Hall): But we don't know if it's effective now. So you won't stop the pilot anyway?
1720
04:14:52.170 --> 04:14:56.420
Speaker 10 (Community Hall): when is the pilot, taking effect? It hasn't started now.
172104:14:56.425 --> 04:15:00.024Speaker 4 (Community Hall): Rochelle, would you remind the date when the pilot's set to begin?
172204:15:01.005 --> 04:15:02.195
Speaker 4 (Community Hall): July 7th.
1723
04:15:02.775 --> 04:15:04.745Speaker 4 (Community Hall): July, right? 7th, oh.
172404:15:05.790 --> 04:15:07.930Speaker 10 (Community Hall): Yeah, I'd be okay with starting it.
1725
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Speaker 10 (Community Hall): So you'll be okay with… I mean, as a temporary measure. Starting the pilot.
172604:15:12.610 --> 04:15:15.869Speaker 10 (Community Hall): As a temporary measure. Oh, they are stuck.
1727
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Speaker 6 (Community Hall): the barrier. Yes.
172804:15:19.345 --> 04:15:22.804Speaker 6 (Community Hall): And then we will decide whether the barrier is.
1729
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Speaker 10 (Community Hall): Is effective or not, and we go with one or the other.
173004:15:26.545 --> 04:15:33.885Speaker 10 (Community Hall): Or we amend the pilot if it… if we find out that it's not working the way it…
1731
04:15:33.995 --> 04:15:35.804Speaker 10 (Community Hall): It was originally envisioned.
1732
04:15:36.485 --> 04:15:39.835
Speaker 10 (Community Hall): We can tweak the project, there's nothing sacred…
173304:15:39.835 --> 04:15:43.784Speaker 6 (Community Hall): The difference between the two motions is really…
173404:15:44.145 --> 04:15:57.054
Speaker 6 (Community Hall): do we… when do we allocate? Do we allocate before we know it would work,
or do we allocate after we know it would work? There's not much difference.
173504:15:57.055 --> 04:16:03.014Speaker 10 (Community Hall): The allocating, the allocating in this CIP project, budget.
173604:16:03.335 --> 04:16:06.815
Speaker 10 (Community Hall): Is to check out, is to analyze the option.
1737
04:16:06.815 --> 04:16:09.834Speaker 6 (Community Hall): It's important to allocate before we know it would work.
173804:16:10.385 --> 04:16:14.625Speaker 6 (Community Hall): Why couldn't you just support the mayor's, motion?
1739
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Speaker 10 (Community Hall): We're funding it now as part of the budget, and what is a budget? A budget is a plan for the… for the next year. Hang on one second, Vice Mayor. Yeah, sorry. The $150,000 is something we're putting in the budget now. Now, your… your plan, or your suggestion, is that
174004:16:33.515 --> 04:16:40.594
Speaker 10 (Community Hall): We don't put the $150,000 now, but come 3 months down the line, or 4
months down the line, and then ask for the money.
174104:16:40.895 --> 04:16:43.894Speaker 6 (Community Hall): We have done that with budget amendment.
174204:16:43.895 --> 04:16:57.145
Speaker 10 (Community Hall): That's true, but what would be the purpose? I mean, at least we know that
we have earmarked $150,000 for this project instead of coming four months down the line. Maybe who
knows what's happening with the sheriff's contract by then, and…
174304:16:57.405 --> 04:17:16.565Speaker 10 (Community Hall): we're opening up a whole new budget discussion when we could just as easily
just say, okay, this is the budget, $150,000, with the understanding that we don't have to spend it all, and
we shouldn't be spending it all, and if it works, we go with it. If it doesn't, we go back to the
174404:17:16.785 --> 04:17:22.205Speaker 10 (Community Hall): To the, the pilot project, and tweak it, if we need to.
1745
04:17:22.895 --> 04:17:47.874Speaker 2 (Community Hall): Thank you, Councilmember Mohan. My… the main motion was actually more nuanced. It was first to continue the pilot program, provide a 3-month update on the pilot program, particularly with information on enforcement, is it working or not? Send the pickleball noise issue to the Parks and Recreation Commission to, along with staff, come up with an array of options, including municipal code restrictions.
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Speaker 2 (Community Hall): on the placement of pickleball courts near sensitive receptors. We hear that
this is a growing sport. It's also going to be a growing problem for the city. If individuals are building courts on their own property next to their neighbors and whatnot, and we don't have,
174704:18:05.435 --> 04:18:17.754Speaker 2 (Community Hall): something in place for that. Three, to allocate the funding of $15,000 for a
professional noise study to determine if a sound wall at Memorial Park would or could reduce the noise levels
1748
04:18:18.015 --> 04:18:40.735Speaker 2 (Community Hall): from the bleachers and pickleball courts to meet the municipal code noise ordinance, and lastly, remove the wall funding until we have more information and direction. The noise study results would go to the Parks and Recreation Commission for their discussion, and we would also study the impact of the frequency, the sound frequency of the sport.
1749
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Speaker 2 (Community Hall): As well, so there was… it was a lot… lot more nuanced than just going with
the, staff-recommended action. Yes?
175004:18:49.135 --> 04:19:02.874Speaker 6 (Community Hall): So, would you be amicable to add a condition that if the sound study turns out it is effective to reduce the level to the tennis court level, then we would,
1751
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Speaker 6 (Community Hall): budget amount, it will come to the Council with some amended budget for the Bay Area, right?
175204:19:12.025 --> 04:19:19.475Speaker 2 (Community Hall): Yes, so there's two changes. Yeah, so 10 to… it's that… yeah, let's just find out if it's gonna work. So,
1753
04:19:19.475 --> 04:19:44.415Speaker 2 (Community Hall): But also, I have made a modification there that the 10 is going to 15, since he's got a bid for 13… over 13. Okay, and you accept that? Yeah. Okay. Yeah, so of course, if it's going to
work, then you can move ahead and do that. But there's also… it looks like it's… there's growing options for
sound attenuation, so it could be that there are other things out there that
175404:19:44.415 --> 04:19:48.994Speaker 2 (Community Hall): Are even better than the ones that we've seen some images of.
1755
04:19:50.540 --> 04:19:52.680Speaker 9 (Community Hall): Question, so we can vote to vote?
175604:19:52.850 --> 04:19:53.660Speaker 9 (Community Hall): Okay.
1757
04:19:54.170 --> 04:19:59.830
Speaker 2 (Community Hall): So we're voting on the substitute motion first, and not the main motion.
175804:20:00.950 --> 04:20:05.420Speaker 2 (Community Hall): Madam City Clerk, will you please call, conduct the roll call vote?
1759
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Speaker 3 (Community Hall): Yes, and I just want to clarify, we're voting on Councilmember Mohan's
substitute motion, which Councilmember Fruen seconded, to approve the pickleball attenuation.
176004:20:14.890 --> 04:20:15.300J.R. Fruen, Councilmember: Capital.
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Speaker 3 (Community Hall): improvement project, as it appears in the budget present.
176204:20:17.840 --> 04:20:20.540J.R. Fruen, Councilmember: Correct. Okay.
1763
04:20:20.540 --> 04:20:21.590
Speaker 3 (Community Hall): Councilmember Fruen?
176404:20:24.080 --> 04:20:25.759Speaker 3 (Community Hall): Councilmember Mohan? Aye.
176504:20:25.970 --> 04:20:28.220
Speaker 3 (Community Hall): Councilmember Wong? No.
1766
04:20:28.890 --> 04:20:35.659Speaker 3 (Community Hall): Vice Mayor Chao? No. Mayor Moore? No. Motion fails with Furman and Mohan voting? Yes.
1767
04:20:35.665 --> 04:20:38.005Speaker 2 (Community Hall): Okay, now maybe you vote on the main motion?
1768
04:20:38.395 --> 04:20:39.445
Speaker 2 (Community Hall): on…
176904:20:39.800 --> 04:20:48.439Speaker 6 (Community Hall): So, I just want to clarify, so Councilman Brummohan's motion also included, stopping the pilot, right?
1770
04:20:50.150 --> 04:20:54.179
Speaker 3 (Community Hall): Which… You don't believe that was part of the motion. Stopping the budget?
177104:20:54.185 --> 04:20:58.684Speaker 6 (Community Hall): Your motion would include approve the barrier, but also stop the.
177204:20:58.685 --> 04:21:01.295
Speaker 10 (Community Hall): If the barrier is successful.
1773
04:21:01.295 --> 04:21:06.504Speaker 6 (Community Hall): Implement the pilot, sorry. I mean, implement the pilot until we have.
177404:21:06.945 --> 04:21:07.555Speaker 28 (Community Hall): Okay.
1775
04:21:07.920 --> 04:21:09.939
Speaker 6 (Community Hall): So, I just want to clarify that.
177604:21:09.945 --> 04:21:16.965Speaker 10 (Community Hall): Since we have a date for the implementation. We have a date for the implementation, which is July 7th.
1777
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Speaker 28 (Community Hall): Okay. Yeah. Okay.
177804:21:21.540 --> 04:21:23.670Speaker 2 (Community Hall): Okay, now we're voting on the main motion?
1779
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Speaker 3 (Community Hall): Okay, Councilmember Faroon?
178004:21:30.960 --> 04:21:31.740J.R. Fruen, Councilmember: No.
178104:21:33.530 --> 04:21:35.360Speaker 3 (Community Hall): Councilmember Mohan? No.
1782
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Speaker 3 (Community Hall): Councilmember Wong? Aye.
178304:21:38.460 --> 04:21:42.100Speaker 3 (Community Hall): Vice Mayor Chao? Aye. Mayor Moore? Aye.
1784
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Speaker 3 (Community Hall): Motion carries with, Fern and Mohan footing. No.
178504:21:47.640 --> 04:21:56.980Speaker 2 (Community Hall): Okay, all right, now we move on to the, The rest of the… budget consideration.
178604:21:57.550 --> 04:22:10.119
Speaker 2 (Community Hall): So, we could, bifurcate this as well. So we had 3… Items for approval,
1787
04:22:10.790 --> 04:22:15.329Speaker 2 (Community Hall): Recommended action is to approve items 1, 2, and 3.
178804:22:16.030 --> 04:22:29.060Speaker 2 (Community Hall): So we've made a slight alteration through our, our vote. We just took, to the, I
believe, item 2, is that correct? Okay, so we have a slight modification there.
1789
04:22:29.180 --> 04:22:33.550Speaker 2 (Community Hall): And then, will that also… Modify 3?
179004:22:34.870 --> 04:22:47.989Speaker 2 (Community Hall): The appropriation limit? No, that one stays the same, okay. And then, there
might be some modifications to the, for item 1. So, I see Vice Mayor, you have your hand raised?
1791
04:22:48.230 --> 04:22:58.070Speaker 6 (Community Hall): I think I would also like to, make a motion about revising the community grant program allocation.
179204:22:58.445 --> 04:23:00.355
Speaker 28 (Community Hall): Okay. Okay.
1793
04:23:01.780 --> 04:23:05.359Speaker 2 (Community Hall): For purposes of deliberation, did you…
1794
04:23:05.365 --> 04:23:06.245
Speaker 28 (Community Hall): Okay.
179504:23:06.250 --> 04:23:11.750Speaker 2 (Community Hall): To approve the three recommended actions with the modifications that you're
going to suggest now?
179604:23:12.800 --> 04:23:13.640Speaker 2 (Community Hall): Oh.
179704:23:14.240 --> 04:23:18.680Speaker 6 (Community Hall): Okay, what… what… you mean the… so the motion is,
1798
04:23:20.260 --> 04:23:23.600Speaker 6 (Community Hall): How are you going to bifurcate those?
179904:23:24.550 --> 04:23:31.509Speaker 6 (Community Hall): I think maybe we just talk about community program vote on that first. Okay. And then talk about how to modify.
1800
04:23:31.515 --> 04:23:38.655Speaker 2 (Community Hall): So that would be item 1. So, okay, so we're gonna vote on modifying item 1, and then…
180104:23:38.660 --> 04:23:41.749Speaker 6 (Community Hall): Oh, that's item 1. Yeah, that's true. Okay.
1802
04:23:42.250 --> 04:23:44.210Speaker 6 (Community Hall): Yeah, maybe that's cleaner.
180304:23:45.650 --> 04:23:46.380Speaker 28 (Community Hall): Okay.
1804
04:23:49.470 --> 04:23:52.760
Speaker 28 (Community Hall): So let me share my screen.
180504:23:57.510 --> 04:24:02.409Speaker 6 (Community Hall): So, I looked at the community grant funding policy.
1806
04:24:03.160 --> 04:24:08.120
Speaker 6 (Community Hall): And then, I feel some of the recommendations from Fox and Rev.
180704:24:08.560 --> 04:24:12.860Speaker 6 (Community Hall): Does not really comply with the… our policy.
180804:24:13.320 --> 04:24:26.500Speaker 6 (Community Hall): Our policy says eligibility is… it should benefit the Cupertino community, be awarded only once per project, and for specific needs, not ongoing needs.
1809
04:24:26.710 --> 04:24:30.690
Speaker 6 (Community Hall): And… and then for the evaluation criteria.
181004:24:31.320 --> 04:24:42.139Speaker 6 (Community Hall): the program should be available to the entire Cupertino community, and it should be a community need for the program. There should be a community need, and also
1811
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Speaker 6 (Community Hall): The program should… there should be a uniqueness of the program and event.
181204:24:48.500 --> 04:24:50.010Speaker 6 (Community Hall): So…
1813
04:24:51.490 --> 04:24:53.939
Speaker 28 (Community Hall): And then among the…
181404:24:56.510 --> 04:25:02.060Speaker 6 (Community Hall): The list that's suggested, maybe let me share another…
1815
04:25:14.160 --> 04:25:15.649
Speaker 28 (Community Hall): Kristen. Sorry. Okay.
181604:25:16.560 --> 04:25:18.869Speaker 28 (Community Hall): Probably need to find my…
181704:25:18.870 --> 04:25:19.320
Speaker 6 (Community Hall): toe.
1818
04:25:20.570 --> 04:25:21.580Speaker 28 (Community Hall): They're sitting.
181904:25:29.410 --> 04:25:38.919Speaker 6 (Community Hall): Okay, so… so I think two of the… actually, three of the programs, I don't think
they fit… they meet the criteria.
1820
04:25:39.030 --> 04:25:41.689Speaker 6 (Community Hall): So, one of them is the…
1821
04:25:43.650 --> 04:25:44.820
Speaker 28 (Community Hall): is the…
182204:25:47.770 --> 04:25:56.350Speaker 6 (Community Hall): I think one of them is the Cupertino, FUHS Foundation grant, because it's a
grant for
182304:25:56.600 --> 04:26:16.430Speaker 6 (Community Hall): teacher… for the teachers, $1,000 per teacher in a particular classroom. This kind of program is not open to all the community to attend. It only benefits a specific classroom in a specific school. That really is not what the community grant
1824
04:26:16.430 --> 04:26:20.969
Speaker 6 (Community Hall): is for. It's meant. And then the other…
182504:26:22.670 --> 04:26:25.140Speaker 6 (Community Hall): And the other one is,
182604:26:25.300 --> 04:26:34.849
Speaker 6 (Community Hall): the Rotary Club on, as we learned last time, the proposal is for Rotary to
provide volunteers for.
182704:26:35.370 --> 04:26:35.920Speaker 28 (Community Hall): on…
182804:26:35.930 --> 04:26:49.749
Speaker 6 (Community Hall): what is that program? That is an existing city program that's already going on
in McClellan Ranch. So they are just volunteering to an existing city program, which means
182904:26:49.890 --> 04:26:51.569Speaker 6 (Community Hall): It's not unique.
183004:26:51.710 --> 04:27:06.059
Speaker 6 (Community Hall): And it's… it doesn't really, I think, serve the purpose the community grant is
for. It's meant to create a unique program that benefits the entire community. And so I…
183104:27:06.110 --> 04:27:13.830Speaker 6 (Community Hall): things, I would like to propose to not fund… oh, I found the tab now.
183204:27:17.570 --> 04:27:29.719
Speaker 6 (Community Hall): So here, I'd like to propose to drop the funding for Fremont Union School
Foundation, because it doesn't meet the program needs, and then the Cupertino Rotary Club one.
183304:27:30.110 --> 04:27:32.820Speaker 6 (Community Hall): That, $3,000.
183404:27:33.510 --> 04:27:45.589Speaker 6 (Community Hall): And because it doesn't really fund a specific program. The third one I was considering is the West Valley Community Service. It's funding the gift,
1835
04:27:45.600 --> 04:28:03.220
Speaker 6 (Community Hall): the Hope Gift of Hope program, and I looked at the history of community funding. We have been funding that program since 2019, every year. Started from $20,000 to $10,000, and then 5…
183604:28:03.300 --> 04:28:07.060Speaker 6 (Community Hall): And then now we… it's requesting the same program.
1837
04:28:07.150 --> 04:28:15.849Speaker 6 (Community Hall): for $5,000. That also is against the policy, where it says we are supposed to…
183804:28:15.970 --> 04:28:22.960Speaker 6 (Community Hall): be awarded only once per project, and we've awarded that many times.
1839
04:28:24.460 --> 04:28:39.250
Speaker 6 (Community Hall): But I do think that's a really good project, but I think the intent of the grant is not for a program to continuously rely on CT funding, but to help people to start the program.
184004:28:39.250 --> 04:28:52.229Speaker 6 (Community Hall): and then create their own sustainable donation source. So eventually, we would win the program from city funding. So we should be funding them less and less every year.
1841
04:28:52.360 --> 04:29:01.170Speaker 6 (Community Hall): So I'm not sure… So I'm not sure… this is… I'm considering, I want to…
184204:29:02.120 --> 04:29:20.409Speaker 6 (Community Hall): But then $5,000 is less than what we had funded before, so I would like to hear what my council members think about it. What I would propose to fund is, Cupertino Host Lions. The
program they are proposing is fee shutdown.
184304:29:20.440 --> 04:29:34.899Speaker 6 (Community Hall): This is an annual program where they go to a pond in the Lehigh cement for spatial needs children. A lot of Boy Scouts volunteer, so I think this is a worthwhile program.
184404:29:34.900 --> 04:29:43.699
Speaker 6 (Community Hall): although it's ongoing, but then I think we haven't founded it before. It's a
worthwhile program to consider. And another is there…
184504:29:43.700 --> 04:29:44.630Speaker 6 (Community Hall): the…
184604:29:44.660 --> 04:29:57.029Speaker 6 (Community Hall): Wreath Across the American program by the American Legion Post. They have been hosting that every year for Cupertino, but we have never funded them. So…
1847
04:29:57.190 --> 04:30:02.410
Speaker 6 (Community Hall): This is providing risk to the veterans on… in…
184804:30:02.610 --> 04:30:08.020Speaker 6 (Community Hall): who are resting in our cemetery. I saw that's a worthwhile program. It…
1849
04:30:08.200 --> 04:30:13.950
Speaker 6 (Community Hall): Benefits the entire community, so we can visit those veterans.
185004:30:14.280 --> 04:30:24.809Speaker 6 (Community Hall): In December. So, that's what I'm thinking. Maybe we can split that funding for these two programs.
1851
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Speaker 28 (Community Hall): I would like to hear.
185204:30:25.495 --> 04:30:28.135Speaker 6 (Community Hall): What other people think about it.
1853
04:30:33.990 --> 04:30:35.050
Speaker 2 (Community Hall): Okay.
185404:30:37.460 --> 04:30:38.450Speaker 2 (Community Hall): Well…
185504:30:38.990 --> 04:30:52.149
Speaker 2 (Community Hall): considering… thank you, Vice Mayor, for looking into the policy, and we are, on
the subcommittee looking at the, grant and festival fee waiver policy. The Rotary,
185604:30:52.220 --> 04:31:16.260Speaker 2 (Community Hall): already has $22,000 in festival fee waivers from the city in… baked into this budget, and we did already allocate $3 million to the Rotary Housing Fund. That is quite a considerable amount of contribution from the city. When I look at FUHSD, the $8,500 that they're looking for, I agree with your assessment about that.
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04:31:16.260 --> 04:31:34.319
Speaker 2 (Community Hall): And then I'm also, in the back of my mind, thinking about the over… their portion of over $500,000 for SROs, and then with regards to West Valley Community Services, that's a tough one. However, we do provide a lot of funding through our,
1858
04:31:34.460 --> 04:31:41.980Speaker 2 (Community Hall): are through CDD, I believe. A few hundred thousand dollars comes from Cupertino.
1859
04:31:43.560 --> 04:31:55.720
Speaker 2 (Community Hall): So I'm not really sure where you would allocate, or would you just take some
of this money back and then allocate some to the Lions?
186004:31:55.880 --> 04:32:03.880Speaker 2 (Community Hall): Program, and there was a second one that you were interested in?
1861
04:32:04.960 --> 04:32:06.799
Speaker 28 (Community Hall): the risk across America.
186204:32:06.875 --> 04:32:17.264Speaker 2 (Community Hall): Reese, okay, and did you… so it's, $16,500 that, you would have, freed up. Were you…
1863
04:32:17.575 --> 04:32:24.595
Speaker 2 (Community Hall): Did you have some idea for these two organizations, what you would… be
giving them?
186404:32:25.500 --> 04:32:33.690Speaker 6 (Community Hall): I think 20,000 forests across America is a lot, so… I would not, fully fund that.
1865
04:32:34.085 --> 04:32:45.134
Speaker 2 (Community Hall): I think because the 32,500 is so… it's such a small amount that I think keeping
things in the, I don't know, 1 to 5,000 range, will help.
186604:32:45.345 --> 04:32:50.034Speaker 6 (Community Hall): things started. I think it's, like, 5,000 for race across America, maybe?
1867
04:32:50.805 --> 04:32:56.125
Speaker 6 (Community Hall): 2,000 or $2,500 for, like, fish shut down.
186804:32:56.265 --> 04:32:59.765Speaker 6 (Community Hall): Okay. So it's, like, health of what they are asking for.
1869
04:32:59.770 --> 04:33:07.610
Speaker 2 (Community Hall): Okay, could you share your screen so that there's any other opinions about the
reallocation.
187004:33:11.700 --> 04:33:16.120Speaker 6 (Community Hall): So, I'm not sure about the West Valley. It's a really good program.
187104:33:17.990 --> 04:33:27.059Speaker 6 (Community Hall): But we've been funding every year, so it's really not following our policy. That's the main thing. So I'm…
1872
04:33:27.660 --> 04:33:39.070
Speaker 6 (Community Hall): I don't know about that. But I think just between the Fremont Union and the World Trade Club, that's… we would have enough funding for $8,000 for the two new programs.
187304:33:42.060 --> 04:33:48.939Speaker 6 (Community Hall): So, this will be… 5,000? Huh.
1874
04:33:58.849 --> 04:34:00.399
Speaker 28 (Community Hall): 2500.
187504:34:03.970 --> 04:34:09.939Speaker 6 (Community Hall): I don't know how to make that a different color, so… so these two are what I added. Okay.
1876
04:34:11.480 --> 04:34:17.439
Speaker 2 (Community Hall): So… would you make this as your motion?
187704:34:17.884 --> 04:34:33.784Speaker 6 (Community Hall): So that would be my motion. So that does not include the West Valley Community Service. So just… Okay, just those… So, so that funding stays just… Okay. So they have two crossed out here. 8,500 and $3,000.
1878
04:34:34.610 --> 04:34:36.410Speaker 28 (Community Hall): Okay. That's my motion.
187904:34:36.410 --> 04:34:49.410Speaker 2 (Community Hall): Okay, so you're freeing up $11,500, and then redistributing, if I have that correct, and redistributing $7,500. Did you take out the $5,000 for West Valley? Yeah, we were at 16,500.
1880
04:34:49.415 --> 04:34:52.355Speaker 28 (Community Hall): I didn't take that. Yeah.
188104:34:52.355 --> 04:34:56.465Speaker 2 (Community Hall): removing it. Okay. So that's your motion. I'll second that.
1882
04:34:57.224 --> 04:34:58.195
Speaker 2 (Community Hall): do we…
188304:34:58.985 --> 04:35:05.804
Speaker 2 (Community Hall): I can't see Councilmember Fruent enough, his hands raised, if anyone has it.
Oh, let me stop sharing.
188404:35:06.410 --> 04:35:09.310Speaker 28 (Community Hall): Yeah. Councilmember Fruen.
1885
04:35:10.820 --> 04:35:15.489J.R. Fruen, Councilmember: Yeah, I'd just note that, you know, this has gone through
188604:35:16.259 --> 04:35:19.830J.R. Fruen, Councilmember: An entire commission that we've appointed.
1887
04:35:20.119 --> 04:35:26.639
J.R. Fruen, Councilmember: And they've considered all of this, all of the advocates for their individual clauses have come and spoken
188804:35:26.720 --> 04:35:41.370J.R. Fruen, Councilmember: both to us and to them in the past, and I think that we do them all a disservice with last-minute adjustments like this. I'm frankly shocked that there was any discussion of removing the line
item for West Valley Community Services.
188904:35:41.700 --> 04:36:00.259J.R. Fruen, Councilmember: I don't see why we would be this conservative in our view of what the policy is when that cause is as worthy and necessary as it is under the current budgetary restraints that everybody has at present, and considering the community that that particular line item serves.
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04:36:00.439 --> 04:36:03.100
J.R. Fruen, Councilmember: I… I will not be supporting this motion.
189104:36:07.169 --> 04:36:15.599Speaker 2 (Community Hall): Well, just to clarify, West Valley Community Services was not defunded, Okay, Councilmember…
1892
04:36:17.520 --> 04:36:18.290
Community Hall: Mohan.
189304:36:22.200 --> 04:36:40.490Speaker 10 (Community Hall): Yeah, I just wanted to point out that these decisions and these allocations were made by a commission. They did their due diligence, they spent hours, I'm assuming, to come up with these recommendations, and for us to be sort of willy-nilly going with some pet projects or not going with some other
1894
04:36:40.580 --> 04:36:53.180
Speaker 10 (Community Hall): project seems highly irresponsible, I would not be supporting any changes to the allocations that were presented in the budget.
1895
04:36:59.910 --> 04:37:02.569Speaker 9 (Community Hall): Councilmember Wong, would you like to weigh in on this?
1896
04:37:02.869 --> 04:37:06.770
Speaker 9 (Community Hall): I'm just gonna call a question, so I'm okay with it. Alright.
189704:37:07.080 --> 04:37:07.820Speaker 11 (Community Hall): We're okay with.
189804:37:07.820 --> 04:37:08.949
Speaker 16 (Community Hall): I'm okay with your proposal.
1899
04:37:08.950 --> 04:37:12.439Speaker 9 (Community Hall): motion, you and the vice mayors.
190004:37:12.445 --> 04:37:13.075Speaker 6 (Community Hall): Sure.
1901
04:37:13.075 --> 04:37:20.294
Speaker 9 (Community Hall): And just to be clear, we didn't cut the West Valley budget, so everybody… so just for Councilmember Fruen to know that the $5,000 is still there.
190204:37:20.300 --> 04:37:28.329J.R. Fruen, Councilmember: As a point of information, I noted that it was still there. I objected to the fact
that anyone would even suggest removing it.
1903
04:37:29.090 --> 04:37:31.759Speaker 2 (Community Hall): Got it. Thank you. Through the Chair, thanks.
190404:37:32.130 --> 04:37:35.770Speaker 6 (Community Hall): Okay, I'd like to share… this is the…
1905
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Speaker 6 (Community Hall): how much we have funded the Gift of Hope program every year, so we have been funding it for $10,000, I think $20,000 before 2023. So we have been funding it every year, and as I mentioned in the policy.
190604:37:56.090 --> 04:37:56.770
Community Hall: I wonder.
1907
04:37:56.779 --> 04:38:00.449Speaker 6 (Community Hall): Be awarded only once per project.
1908
04:38:00.729 --> 04:38:05.609
Speaker 6 (Community Hall): So, I don't know how the Parks and Rec Program Commission missed.
190904:38:05.709 --> 04:38:09.889Speaker 6 (Community Hall): The specific requirement that's in the policy.
1910
04:38:09.979 --> 04:38:29.869Speaker 6 (Community Hall): But, we have, in the past, was surprised by Parks and Rec Commission's suggestion in the past, and then the final decision is by the City Council, and the City Council has, in the past, made, adjustments to the community grant.
191104:38:30.009 --> 04:38:38.299
Speaker 6 (Community Hall): And this is how the public, policy is. The final decision maker is the city council.
191204:38:41.879 --> 04:38:45.459Speaker 6 (Community Hall): So I do encourage the Parks and Rec Commission to…
191304:38:45.679 --> 04:38:49.909Speaker 6 (Community Hall): Read the policy requirement more clearly, and
1914
04:38:50.259 --> 04:38:53.949Speaker 6 (Community Hall): But we have a subcommittee that we will try to
191504:38:55.089 --> 04:39:01.029Speaker 6 (Community Hall): try to clarify that field for the future so that Parks and Rec Commission is more clear on
1916
04:39:01.189 --> 04:39:04.369Speaker 6 (Community Hall): the intent of the community grant. Thank you.
191704:39:05.369 --> 04:39:07.129Speaker 2 (Community Hall): Councilmember Mohan?
1918
04:39:07.134 --> 04:39:17.334
Speaker 10 (Community Hall): I just wanted to say if you thought that the Parks and Rec Commission didn't… were not following the rules, or if they were making decisions that were not consistent with
191904:39:17.554 --> 04:39:33.494Speaker 10 (Community Hall): the policy, then this is not the time for us to be saying, oh, everything you did was wrong, and now we're just going to make our own decisions about who we are going to fund, and all
the effort you put into it is… we're just not going to take it too seriously.
192004:39:33.544 --> 04:39:39.494Speaker 10 (Community Hall): And that's the message we are sending out to this commission and any other commission that we,
192104:39:40.934 --> 04:39:45.724Speaker 10 (Community Hall): That we take contrary positions to, after they having gone through.
1922
04:39:45.844 --> 04:39:55.794
Speaker 10 (Community Hall): The process, and presumably the due diligence that is required to fund these
various non-profits.
192304:39:58.100 --> 04:40:14.110Speaker 9 (Community Hall): Councilmember Wong? Before I say call a question, I think for many of us who've served in commissions, we all know that the final authority is the City Council, and while we all put a lot of work in our commissions, and we've all made a lot of recommendations in the past, it ultimately is a
recommendation to the City Council, and so
192404:40:14.110 --> 04:40:18.260Speaker 9 (Community Hall): I take that as advisement, but I do take everybody's work pretty seriously. Please call the question.
192504:40:19.220 --> 04:40:27.580
Speaker 2 (Community Hall): Okay, thank you, and I do want to point out that Councilmember, I'm sorry,
Vice Mayor and I, when
192604:40:27.690 --> 04:40:40.869Speaker 2 (Community Hall): years ago, we were on the grant subcommittee, and we helped rewrite the policy that they were supposed to be working off of. So it isn't a matter of saying that they didn't
1927
04:40:40.870 --> 04:40:53.030
Speaker 2 (Community Hall): do it right, but we might need to specify, what we're looking for a little more
clearly, so that, we… we don't have people
192804:40:53.030 --> 04:41:09.519Speaker 2 (Community Hall): repeatedly going to the Council for the same project year after year after year, expecting that they're going to get that funding. And so we're thinking in terms of how to wean organizations off, and that they understand that they need to get their own
1929
04:41:09.520 --> 04:41:27.779
Speaker 2 (Community Hall): do their own fundraising and don't keep going to the city council. We want to start and launch all these programs, rather than just having a singular, track of, organizations coming here. And I think overall that the city will be better off
193004:41:28.120 --> 04:41:33.990
Speaker 2 (Community Hall): Rather than just nourishing a small select few year after year.
1931
04:41:34.990 --> 04:41:43.579Speaker 2 (Community Hall): Okay, so I see Councilmember Wong, okay, and then, Councilmember Mohan? Oh, I just wanted to.
193204:41:43.585 --> 04:41:44.495Speaker 9 (Community Hall): Call the question.
1933
04:41:44.745 --> 04:41:46.685
Speaker 9 (Community Hall): Okay.
193404:41:47.440 --> 04:41:49.230Speaker 10 (Community Hall): I… am I going now?
1935
04:41:49.395 --> 04:41:54.695
Speaker 8 (Community Hall): At this point, you really should take a vote on whether it's time to intubate.
Okay. Okay.
193604:41:55.870 --> 04:42:08.070Speaker 2 (Community Hall): So I… I'm gonna call the question. Yeah. Okay. Madam City Clerk, will you, call the, conduct the roll call vote on calling the question?
1937
04:42:08.210 --> 04:42:09.150
Speaker 2 (Community Hall): Correct.
193804:42:09.780 --> 04:42:11.770Speaker 28 (Community Hall): Yes. Townsmember Fruan?
1939
04:42:12.910 --> 04:42:13.840
J.R. Fruen, Councilmember: No.
194004:42:15.460 --> 04:42:17.209Speaker 3 (Community Hall): Councilmember Mohan? No.
194104:42:18.200 --> 04:42:20.030
Community Hall: Councilmember Wong? Aye.
1942
04:42:21.130 --> 04:42:22.330Speaker 3 (Community Hall): Vice Mayor Chao?
194304:42:22.935 --> 04:42:24.435Speaker 6 (Community Hall): This is to call the question.
1944
04:42:24.435 --> 04:42:27.434
Speaker 3 (Community Hall): Just to cut to end debate, yes. To end debate.
194504:42:28.005 --> 04:42:31.084
Speaker 6 (Community Hall): The no vote means they want to continue debate.
1946
04:42:32.140 --> 04:42:34.200
Speaker 28 (Community Hall): No, no, it's okay. Sorry.
194704:42:34.200 --> 04:42:36.280Speaker 6 (Community Hall): Yes. Okay.
1948
04:42:36.660 --> 04:42:38.570
Speaker 3 (Community Hall): Mayor Moore? Aye.
194904:42:39.430 --> 04:42:43.070Speaker 3 (Community Hall): Motion carries with Ferwin and Mohan voting no. Okay.
1950
04:42:43.070 --> 04:42:46.530
Speaker 2 (Community Hall): Madam City Clerk, will you please conduct the roll call vote on the motion?
195104:42:49.770 --> 04:42:51.050Speaker 3 (Community Hall): Councilmember Fruen.
195204:42:52.580 --> 04:42:58.420
J.R. Fruen, Councilmember: No, although point of order, I think the motion to call the question requires a
supermajority vote.
195304:43:00.220 --> 04:43:03.589Speaker 2 (Community Hall): And not when the mayor is requesting that?
195404:43:04.800 --> 04:43:06.510
Speaker 28 (Community Hall): I do think it does.
195504:43:06.510 --> 04:43:07.260Speaker 8 (Community Hall): And it…
195604:43:07.265 --> 04:43:08.005Speaker 3 (Community Hall): It does.
1957
04:43:08.010 --> 04:43:12.569Speaker 8 (Community Hall): Your phone is correct. It does. It's, ending debate, so it does require… Two-thirds vote?
195804:43:12.575 --> 04:43:15.944Speaker 2 (Community Hall): Was that modified in the Council procedures?
1959
04:43:16.085 --> 04:43:17.004
Speaker 2 (Community Hall): No.
196004:43:17.375 --> 04:43:20.765Speaker 8 (Community Hall): This is Rosenberg's. It's from Rosenberg's. Okay.
1961
04:43:20.765 --> 04:43:25.045Speaker 2 (Community Hall): And the procedures were probably in error in all that time when.
196204:43:25.480 --> 04:43:35.469Speaker 8 (Community Hall): No, no, that was when the mayor is calling the question, which is a different situation. I did. Oh, you called the question? Yeah. Councilmember Fruen, the mayor called the question.
1963
04:43:35.470 --> 04:43:37.530J.R. Fruen, Councilmember: Then we didn't need to take a vote.
196404:43:39.710 --> 04:43:48.390Speaker 8 (Community Hall): Very good point. Mayor, you get to decide when we vote. You go. It was Councilmember Wong who was calling the question, and there was continuing to be debate. And then I
called it.
196504:43:48.395 --> 04:43:55.435Speaker 2 (Community Hall): Okay, so we're at the same place. We're voting. Pardon for the extra steps. Okay.
196604:43:55.825 --> 04:44:04.675
Speaker 3 (Community Hall): That was very confusing. Okay, so we are voting on the motion by Chao,
moved, seconded by Moore.
196704:44:06.975 --> 04:44:09.154Speaker 3 (Community Hall): Councilmember Fruen.
196804:44:09.160 --> 04:44:11.980
Speaker 6 (Community Hall): Could you repeat the question, just for clarity?
196904:44:11.980 --> 04:44:29.059Speaker 3 (Community Hall): Yes, this… the motion that I have, is Chao moved and more seconded to defund community funding for the Fremont Union High School Foundation, and for Rotary, and reallocate $5,000 for wreaths Across America, and $2,500 to the Lions Club Fish-a-thon.
1970
04:44:31.110 --> 04:44:33.970
Speaker 3 (Community Hall): Okay. Okay. Councilmember Fruen.
197104:44:34.770 --> 04:44:35.120J.R. Fruen, Councilmember: No.
197204:44:36.440 --> 04:44:38.149Speaker 3 (Community Hall): Councilmember Mohan? No.
1973
04:44:38.660 --> 04:44:40.409
Speaker 3 (Community Hall): Councilmember Wong? Aye.
197404:44:41.170 --> 04:44:47.620Speaker 3 (Community Hall): Vice Mayor Cho? Aye. Mayor Moore? Aye. Motion carries with Ferwin and Mohan voting no.
1975
04:44:47.980 --> 04:45:04.880
Speaker 2 (Community Hall): Okay, so the remaining two items we have, would be item 2, to adopt
resolution number 26-076. However, it would be with the modifications that were just described in the prior,
197604:45:05.740 --> 04:45:08.459Speaker 9 (Community Hall): To the Mayor, point of order, we believe we need to extend time?
1977
04:45:09.385 --> 04:45:14.574
Speaker 2 (Community Hall): Okay, I move that we extend time to complete item 6.
197804:45:16.430 --> 04:45:16.800J.R. Fruen, Councilmember: Second?
1979
04:45:16.800 --> 04:45:20.550
Speaker 2 (Community Hall): Second. Second? Okay. I think Councilmember Fruen had it.
198004:45:23.030 --> 04:45:25.620Speaker 2 (Community Hall): Madam City Clerk, will you please conduct the roll call vote?
198104:45:26.670 --> 04:45:27.780
Speaker 3 (Community Hall): Councilmember Fruan?
1982
04:45:28.140 --> 04:45:28.960J.R. Fruen, Councilmember: Aye?
198304:45:30.430 --> 04:45:32.100Speaker 3 (Community Hall): Councilmember Mohan? Aye.
1984
04:45:32.710 --> 04:45:40.650
Speaker 3 (Community Hall): Councilmember Wong? Aye. Councilmember… er, sorry, Vice Mayor Chao? Aye. Mayor Moore? Aye. Motion carries unanimously.
1985
04:45:40.655 --> 04:45:58.314
Speaker 2 (Community Hall): So I'm going to move items 2 and 3, item 2 to adopt resolution number 26-076 with the modifications from our, our previous motions on this item, and, item 3 as it is written.
1986
04:45:58.465 --> 04:46:00.054
Speaker 2 (Community Hall): Okay, do I have a second?
198704:46:01.730 --> 04:46:09.859Speaker 10 (Community Hall): Just… oh, can I just ask for a clarification? Sure. So, for number 2, it's the…
198804:46:10.140 --> 04:46:15.920
Speaker 10 (Community Hall): Budget as, presented by the staff, except for, the, the.
1989
04:46:15.920 --> 04:46:16.450Speaker 28 (Community Hall): Pickleball.
199004:46:16.455 --> 04:46:17.005Speaker 10 (Community Hall): item.
1991
04:46:17.185 --> 04:46:17.775
Speaker 10 (Community Hall): I…
199204:46:17.775 --> 04:46:21.674Speaker 2 (Community Hall): I believe that would be the only modification that would happen to the CIP.
1993
04:46:24.350 --> 04:46:32.069
Speaker 12 (Community Hall): It would be to decrease the, the CIP project from $150,000 down to $15,000?
Correct.
199404:46:34.080 --> 04:46:38.300Speaker 2 (Community Hall): Okay, clear? Okay. Councilmember Wang?
1995
04:46:40.650 --> 04:46:45.019
Speaker 9 (Community Hall): Oh, I'm gonna take myself off cue, so… Okay.
199604:46:45.880 --> 04:46:48.830Speaker 2 (Community Hall): I don't see a hand raised,
1997
04:46:50.350 --> 04:46:53.420
Speaker 2 (Community Hall): Madam City Clerk, will you please conduct a roll call vote?
199804:46:54.510 --> 04:46:56.580Speaker 2 (Community Hall): Did I make the motion yet?
1999
04:46:56.780 --> 04:46:59.690Speaker 2 (Community Hall): I moved to… I do have a seconder.
2000
04:47:00.300 --> 04:47:02.010
Speaker 29 (Community Hall): If not, I'll second. Thank you.
200104:47:02.830 --> 04:47:04.070Speaker 2 (Community Hall): It's getting late.
200204:47:04.610 --> 04:47:05.370
Community Hall: Amber.
2003
04:47:05.820 --> 04:47:07.540Speaker 2 (Community Hall): Okay, Councilmember Fruen?
200404:47:08.000 --> 04:47:15.520J.R. Fruen, Councilmember: Yes, as a quick point, I was curious as to anyone… as to whether anyone would
entertain the additional item that I submitted earlier today.
2005
04:47:16.440 --> 04:47:17.150Speaker 28 (Community Hall): Mmm.
200604:47:18.480 --> 04:47:23.759Speaker 2 (Community Hall): I looked at it, and I think it needs to come back as a study session,
2007
04:47:23.900 --> 04:47:47.219
Speaker 2 (Community Hall): I think it's an interesting idea, but there's also, there's another side to it, that some of the individuals who might be wanting a loan, could be living in a $5 million house in the hillside, and so we would need to, talk about how it would be construed, and we also, weighing that against the fact that we have all of these expiring BMR units across the city.
2008
04:47:47.220 --> 04:48:03.470
Speaker 2 (Community Hall): do we want to be… how would we be funding things? So I'm… I think a study
session would be great, and it looks like you had a first and a seconder on that, and the TBD item is coming
at the next meeting?
200904:48:03.470 --> 04:48:04.509Speaker 2 (Community Hall): July 7th.
2010
04:48:04.510 --> 04:48:14.449
Speaker 2 (Community Hall): July 7th, so… Can we add that to the TBD? Could this please be added to the
TBD? I think there's… it's just, there's a lot of stuff written in there, so I can't just, on the fly.
201104:48:14.450 --> 04:48:28.810
Speaker 2 (Community Hall): prove it, without understanding what it's going to do. But I think it's very valid,
and we're… we have some real challenges in that, in the very high fire severity zone, and some of these laws don't seem to kind of work together greatly.
2012
04:48:29.660 --> 04:48:30.780
J.R. Fruen, Councilmember: Alright, thank you.
201304:48:30.780 --> 04:48:33.000Speaker 29 (Community Hall): Okay, you're welcome. Sorry.
201404:48:33.000 --> 04:48:33.650
Speaker 28 (Community Hall): Hmm.
2015
04:48:34.110 --> 04:48:36.980Speaker 6 (Community Hall): It seems like I didn't see that, so where is it?
201604:48:36.985 --> 04:48:44.625Speaker 9 (Community Hall): Oh, it was written into the, letters, it was submitted as written
communications. JR sent it in.
2017
04:48:45.490 --> 04:48:54.090Speaker 2 (Community Hall): It's well written, it's lengthy, I think we'll need to hash it out at a meeting. I have a printed copy. Okay, thank you.
201804:48:54.090 --> 04:48:54.660
Community Hall: Okay.
2019
04:48:56.220 --> 04:49:04.100Speaker 2 (Community Hall): And it also doesn't… really fit into items 2 and 3, that clearly, cleanly.
202004:49:04.105 --> 04:49:07.185Speaker 6 (Community Hall): So for the benefit of the public hearing.
2021
04:49:07.345 --> 04:49:13.934
Speaker 6 (Community Hall): Show this on the screen so those watching know exactly what we are talking about.
202204:49:15.410 --> 04:49:25.789Speaker 2 (Community Hall): it… this kind of is not, it's not part of the budget. It's adding… it's referring to
the Q1 budget update,
2023
04:49:25.890 --> 04:49:42.669Speaker 2 (Community Hall): talking about zero and low-interest loans, it's… it's going off-topic. So right now, we're on to the CIP budget, and then the appropriations limit. So this… this is like a work program item.
202404:49:43.620 --> 04:49:45.469Speaker 8 (Community Hall): Was this submitted as a desk item?
2025
04:49:45.730 --> 04:49:47.699
Speaker 2 (Community Hall): Written communications. Okay.
202604:49:48.705 --> 04:50:08.254Speaker 4 (Community Hall): Mayor, just took… wanted to clarify, I'll add it to the TBD that Council will consider on July 7th. You know, we may want to consider, if this is a timely conversation, then adding it to work program item might, might,
2027
04:50:08.885 --> 04:50:17.005
Speaker 4 (Community Hall): actually take it to next July, so maybe, I think starting with a study session or a TBD, if this needs to happen sooner, would be my recommendation.
202804:50:17.010 --> 04:50:22.859Speaker 9 (Community Hall): It's given the wildfire… through the mayor, given the wildfire implications, we just want to get to it earlier than later.
2029
04:50:22.865 --> 04:50:36.074Speaker 2 (Community Hall): Correct, and then you've got the issue of the non-functional turf, and there's another bill there that it all needs to be worked on. The home hardening is going to be a challenge.
203004:50:36.455 --> 04:50:41.084Speaker 2 (Community Hall): As well. Okay, so we're… Fine with this?
2031
04:50:41.085 --> 04:50:42.094Speaker 29 (Community Hall): Adding to TBD?
203204:50:42.590 --> 04:50:43.299Speaker 11 (Community Hall): We're good with that.
2033
04:50:43.305 --> 04:50:49.254
Speaker 2 (Community Hall): approach, and… Vice Mayor, your hand's raised? Oh. Okay.
203404:50:49.395 --> 04:50:56.105Speaker 2 (Community Hall): then we're going to go for a vote, unless we see Councilmember Fuen, or he's fine? Okay.
2035
04:50:56.315 --> 04:50:57.125
Speaker 2 (Community Hall): Yes?
203604:50:57.130 --> 04:51:08.629
J.R. Fruen, Councilmember: Just wanted to quickly clarify that this motion is simply the rest of the budget,
but with the appropriate modifications to incorporate the actions that have already been taken.
203704:51:13.130 --> 04:51:15.209J.R. Fruen, Councilmember: Is that a good way of describing it?
2038
04:51:16.900 --> 04:51:22.380Speaker 8 (Community Hall): An abbreviated way of describing what the mayor had walked through before we got into the other discussion.
203904:51:22.730 --> 04:51:24.310Speaker 8 (Community Hall): That's correct. Yep.
2040
04:51:24.310 --> 04:51:24.880J.R. Fruen, Councilmember: Okay.
204104:51:26.270 --> 04:51:29.869Speaker 2 (Community Hall): Madam City Clerk, will you please conduct a roll call vote?
2042
04:51:30.700 --> 04:51:31.890
Speaker 3 (Community Hall): Councilmember Fruen.
204304:51:32.420 --> 04:51:33.110J.R. Fruen, Councilmember: Bye.
2044
04:51:34.250 --> 04:51:35.860
Speaker 3 (Community Hall): Councilmember Mohan? Aye.
204504:51:35.970 --> 04:51:37.630Speaker 3 (Community Hall): Councilmember Wong? Aye.
2046
04:51:37.820 --> 04:51:39.080
Speaker 3 (Community Hall): Vice Mayor Cho?
204704:51:39.210 --> 04:51:43.590Speaker 3 (Community Hall): Aye. Mayor Moore? Aye. Motion carries unanimously. All right.
204804:51:43.675 --> 04:51:45.465
Speaker 2 (Community Hall): And with that…
2049
04:51:45.470 --> 04:51:46.170Speaker 29 (Community Hall): We do 3 as well.
2050
04:51:46.645 --> 04:51:50.754
Speaker 10 (Community Hall): Pardon? Item number 3 was part of this.
205104:51:50.755 --> 04:51:53.355Speaker 2 (Community Hall): We are adjourned. Thank you.
2052
04:51:54.940 --> 04:51:55.610Speaker 29 (Community Hall): Miracle.
205304:51:58.480 --> 04:52:00.730Speaker 2 (Community Hall): Now, when were we supposed to finish up?
2054
04:52:02.020 --> 04:52:03.699
Speaker 2 (Community Hall): Because it was a hot night.
205504:52:05.340 --> 04:52:06.500Speaker 2 (Community Hall): We'll do it again.
2056
04:52:09.880 --> 04:52:10.250
Community Hall: Oh.