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Community Hall: Oh, no, please excuse me.
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Community Hall: I'll put them.
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Community Hall: Yeah, I know, but I'm trying to see where it is. It's not other provisions.
600:01:02.050 --> 00:01:02.750Community Hall: Thank you.
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Community Hall: Okay, this is a question.
800:01:07.730 --> 00:01:14.300Community Hall: stuff in my… No worries.
900:01:16.410 --> 00:01:17.909Community Hall: Do we need to un…
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1100:03:17.180 --> 00:03:25.609Speaker 1 (Community Hall): Good evening, it is 649, and I call this regular meeting of the Cupertino City Council on April 21st, 2026, to order.
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00:03:26.220 --> 00:03:28.579Speaker 1 (Community Hall): Please rise for the Pledge of Allegiance.
1300:03:31.140 --> 00:03:43.470Speaker 1 (Community Hall): I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the Republic for which it stands, one nation, under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.
1400:03:45.460 --> 00:03:48.649Speaker 1 (Community Hall): All right, Madam City Clerk, will you please call the roll?
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Speaker 1 (Community Hall): Councilmember Fruen? Here. Councilmember Mohan? Here. Councilmember
Wong? Here.
1600:03:55.970 --> 00:03:57.129Community Hall: Vice Mayor Chao?
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Speaker 2 (Community Hall): Here. Mayor Moore? Here. And, Mayor, Vice Mayor, and Councilmembers, as a
reminder, Councilmember Wong is participating remotely this evening. Councilmember Wong, are you in the lobby at the W Hotel in Las Vegas this evening?
1800:04:09.920 --> 00:04:13.300R "Ray" Wang, Councilmember: Yes, I am. I'm in the lobby, and we have an agenda posted, as required.
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Speaker 2 (Community Hall): That was my next question, thank you. Councilor Wong, are there any individuals over the age of 18 with you, and has anyone indicated to you that they intend to make public comment or address the Council this evening?
2000:04:23.760 --> 00:04:27.620R "Ray" Wang, Councilmember: I have not seen anyone that has intended to address the Council, as
intended.
2100:04:27.880 --> 00:04:33.839Speaker 2 (Community Hall): Thank you. I'll rely on you to notify me if any member of the public wishes to speak from your location. Thank you.
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Speaker 1 (Community Hall): All right, thank you, Madam City Clerk. For the closed session report, there was
no reportable action, and we are going to begin with ceremonial items in recognition of the Administrative
Services Department.
2300:04:48.330 --> 00:04:52.680Speaker 1 (Community Hall): And we will be presenting a proclamation, and then take a group photo.
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Speaker 1 (Community Hall): This proclamation recognizes the Administrative Services Department for its
essential role in supporting the City of Cupertino's operations and financial health. This essential department
oversees budget development.
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Speaker 1 (Community Hall): financial management, and purchasing services that ensure responsible stewardship of public resources and alignment with Council priorities. I'd now like to invite our city manager to share a few brief remarks about our diligent administrative staff.
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Speaker 1 (Community Hall): Thank you, Mayor.
2700:05:28.750 --> 00:05:34.310Speaker 1 (Community Hall): I'm really excited to continue the tradition to recognize our city departments, and happy to kick.
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Speaker 3 (Community Hall): the 2026 off with the recognition of Admin Services Department, which plays a
key role in stewarding the City's financial resources through its budget, finance, and purchasing teams, helping to ensure that they are managed responsibly, transparently, and in service of the residents of Cupertino.
2900:05:52.360 --> 00:06:04.690Speaker 3 (Community Hall): The Budget Division develops and manages the City's annual budget, aligning
resources with community priorities and with council direction. The Finance Division supports the City
through accounting, financial reporting.
3000:06:04.830 --> 00:06:20.230Speaker 3 (Community Hall): Revenue management and compliance, ensuring accuracy, transparency, and fiscal integrity across all operations. And the purchasing division ensures that goods and services are procured in a fair, competitive, and cost-effective manner.
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Speaker 3 (Community Hall): Enabling departments to deliver high-quality services to the community. The
department also supports capital improvement program and citywide grants management, providing guidance on compliance and reporting to ensure processes are executed effectively
3200:06:34.400 --> 00:06:53.920Speaker 3 (Community Hall): and in accordance with applicable requirements. Together, these teams provide
the financial backbone of the city and exemplify professionalism and public service. I also want to
acknowledge our Human Resources team, which has recently transitioned to the City Manager's Office to
better align with citywide operational priorities.
3300:06:53.920 --> 00:07:06.190Speaker 3 (Community Hall): Although they are not joining us this evening, they will be formally recognized at an upcoming meeting when we bring the City Manager's team, and we value the important work they continue to do in support of our employees and organization.
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Speaker 3 (Community Hall): And with that, I would like to invite, Acting Adam Service Director Jonathan Orozco and the staff that's present from the department today to come up and be recognized by Council.
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00:07:29.930 --> 00:07:35.800Speaker 3 (Community Hall): I did not expect this answer.
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Community Hall: That's just a case. Okay.
3700:07:45.800 --> 00:07:58.900Community Hall: Okay, good.
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Community Hall: And then we'll get 5 of you on this side.
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00:08:04.530 --> 00:08:08.899Community Hall: That's one. That's true.
4000:08:10.800 --> 00:08:18.790Community Hall: And then everybody over here…
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Speaker 2 (Community Hall): Stuart must have everything good.
4200:08:28.770 --> 00:08:39.480Community Hall: Yeah, there you go. There we go. Oh, look at that.
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Community Hall: Alright, congratulations!
4400:09:06.800 --> 00:09:08.680Community Hall: Resolution?
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Speaker 1 (Community Hall): All right. What a nice way to start the meeting. Next item is postponements
and orders of the day. Madam City Clerk, do we have any postponements or requests for orders of the day?
No, Mayor. All right, thank you, and there's no requests from the Council?
4600:09:37.960 --> 00:09:48.550Speaker 1 (Community Hall): All right. Madam City Clerk, we are moving on to oral communications. Do we have any requests to speak for oral communications, and how many speaker cards do we have?
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Speaker 2 (Community Hall): Mayor, at this time, I see two hands raised virtually, and…
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Speaker 2 (Community Hall): one or two speaker cards. Jean, are you… I don't have a number. Are you
wanting oral communications, or…
4900:10:20.590 --> 00:10:21.560Speaker 2 (Community Hall): Are you…
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5100:10:28.030 --> 00:10:34.929Speaker 2 (Community Hall): Consent and 13. Okay, so one request to speak in person, Mayor, for oral communications, and I see two hands raised virtually.
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00:10:35.115 --> 00:10:39.614Speaker 1 (Community Hall): Thank you. Madam City Clerk, will you please read the instructions and conduct oral communications?
5300:10:39.615 --> 00:11:02.184Speaker 2 (Community Hall): Yes, Mayor, this portion of the meeting is reserved for persons wishing to
address the Council on any matter within the jurisdiction of the Council and not on the agenda for
discussion. Oral communication shall be limited to 30 minutes. Additional speakers wishing to comment on
non-agenda items may be given time to speak at the end of the agenda after the City Manager's report.
Individual speakers are limited to 3 minutes. As necessary, the
5400:11:02.205 --> 00:11:26.985Speaker 2 (Community Hall): Chair or the mayor may further limit the time allowed to individual speakers, or reschedule remaining comments to the end of the meeting on a first-come, first-heard basis with priority
given to students. In most cases, state law will prohibit the Council from discussing or making any decisions
with respect to a matter not listed on the agenda. A council member may, however, briefly respond to
statements made or questions posed by speakers. A council member may also ask a question for
clarification.
5500:11:26.985 --> 00:11:37.214Speaker 2 (Community Hall): provide a reference for factual information, request staff to report back concerning a matter, or request that an item be added to a future City Council agenda in response to public comment.
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00:11:37.455 --> 00:11:41.965Speaker 2 (Community Hall): So at this time, we will go to our speaker in person, which…
5700:11:42.645 --> 00:11:46.295Speaker 2 (Community Hall): is Lee. We will welcome Lee to the podium.
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Speaker 2 (Community Hall): Lee?
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Speaker 2 (Community Hall): Do you want to speak?
6000:11:49.605 --> 00:11:52.095Speaker 2 (Community Hall): Oral communications? Yes.
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00:11:54.925 --> 00:11:58.134Speaker 2 (Community Hall): Hi, my name is,
6200:11:58.515 --> 00:12:03.314Speaker 2 (Community Hall): Shaolin Li, I want to say we shouldn't…
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Speaker 4 (Community Hall): AI to kill a high school student, right?
6400:12:08.360 --> 00:12:12.100Speaker 4 (Community Hall): We shouldn't… no, Google, send that pizza!
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Community Hall: hire 2,000 Google employees to clear a high school.
6600:12:16.490 --> 00:12:17.500Speaker 4 (Community Hall): student.
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Speaker 4 (Community Hall): His name is Lai Yu Mi in Taiwan for, 500 million…
6800:12:23.940 --> 00:12:30.399Speaker 4 (Community Hall): dollar high school student. The 24 million people saw this person be killed.
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Speaker 4 (Community Hall): It's, please Google search, RottenMangoPodcast.com, episode 392.
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00:12:39.910 --> 00:12:45.499Speaker 4 (Community Hall): High school boy in here of $500 million.
7100:12:45.940 --> 00:12:48.300Speaker 4 (Community Hall): La merry stranger!
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Speaker 4 (Community Hall): Two hours later, four tenfold to death.
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Speaker 4 (Community Hall): But the problem is, the crime scene, no, no bra, no bra at all. Look at this,
photo, and, RussianMangoPodcast.com episode 392.
7400:13:04.080 --> 00:13:09.770Speaker 4 (Community Hall): Written by, Stephanie, so the photos show…
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00:13:09.960 --> 00:13:24.060Speaker 4 (Community Hall): No bra in his, his whole body, and no broth in his eye, no broth in scratch in his… no teeth drop. So is it possible 10 broth to drop?
7600:13:24.070 --> 00:13:40.069Speaker 4 (Community Hall): Mayor, I think that, the comments are outside the jurisdiction of this body.
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7800:13:48.775 --> 00:13:51.035Speaker 4 (Community Hall): and here in Taiyong, Taiwan.
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8000:13:54.870 --> 00:13:55.530Speaker 4 (Community Hall): Bob Walsh!
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Speaker 1 (Community Hall): Yeah, I don't think there is a limit to that. People cannot come in to us.
8200:14:02.660 --> 00:14:05.649Community Hall: will have to come in on our business.
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Speaker 4 (Community Hall): His sleeper was 10. Is time… is time right? Let me know.
8400:14:15.720 --> 00:14:22.360Speaker 4 (Community Hall): The global has kept doing this for many times in Taiwan to treat.
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Speaker 5 (Community Hall): Murders!
8600:14:24.810 --> 00:14:27.539Speaker 4 (Community Hall): So suicide. Total one suicide.
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Speaker 4 (Community Hall): approval…
8900:14:36.180 --> 00:14:38.850Speaker 5 (Community Hall): We're live and return to coffee shop.
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Speaker 5 (Community Hall): Go back to coffee without taking a shower, that's impossible!
9100:14:42.790 --> 00:14:43.949Speaker 4 (Community Hall): And they, they, they…
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Speaker 5 (Community Hall): ask,
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9400:14:45.830 --> 00:14:48.680Speaker 5 (Community Hall): What was it 2P3.6 million?
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Speaker 4 (Community Hall): Yeah, I said, is Peter, here's a…
9600:14:51.940 --> 00:14:59.820Speaker 5 (Community Hall): It's totally nonsense, so we need to include… encourage all students to write this letter. We should.
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Speaker 4 (Community Hall): Michael !
9800:15:00.690 --> 00:15:04.889Speaker 2 (Community Hall): Thank you, Charlene, that is your time. Thank you, Charlene.
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Speaker 2 (Community Hall): Mayor, we will move to the request to speak virtually. Thank you, Charlene.
10000:15:13.080 --> 00:15:14.910Speaker 5 (Community Hall): At a non-profit.
10100:15:15.010 --> 00:15:16.550Speaker 5 (Community Hall): A song, after the…
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Speaker 4 (Community Hall): a p…
10300:15:17.280 --> 00:15:24.229Speaker 1 (Community Hall): Pardon, pardon? Pardon, you're disturbing the meeting.
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Speaker 5 (Community Hall): okay.
10500:15:25.590 --> 00:15:26.250Speaker 4 (Community Hall): to a crowd.
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Speaker 1 (Community Hall): Ms. Lee, your time is up.
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10800:15:34.795 --> 00:15:38.554Speaker 5 (Community Hall): to memorize is the iPhone.
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Speaker 1 (Community Hall): I'm sorry, your time is up.
11000:15:42.255 --> 00:15:46.285Speaker 1 (Community Hall): You need to stop talking.
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Speaker 5 (Community Hall): An idiot who falls me off.
11200:15:49.050 --> 00:15:51.910Speaker 5 (Community Hall): Yeah. We got it.
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Speaker 5 (Community Hall): But for this world, though, not…
11400:16:03.120 --> 00:16:08.890Speaker 5 (Community Hall): Nobody can… Can allow people to kill high school.
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Speaker 2 (Community Hall): Thank you.
11700:16:16.160 --> 00:16:24.070Speaker 2 (Community Hall): We have two hands raised virtually. We will welcome San Rao, followed by Rhoda Fry. Welcome, San.
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San Rao: Good evening, Mayor Moore and Council Members, speaking on behalf, myself only, as a Cupertino
resident.
11900:16:34.040 --> 00:16:44.820San Rao: I would like to… Ask that the no net loss housing element cyclist additions Be treated with urgency.
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San Rao: And multiple iterations of this be brought forward.
12100:16:49.260 --> 00:16:52.560San Rao: to both the Planning Commission and the City Council.
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San Rao: I am extremely concerned that what happened last
12300:16:56.350 --> 00:17:00.590San Rao: Time around will be the same that will happen this time.
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San Rao: Which is postcards being sent to people that own lots about a certain acreage.
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00:17:07.329 --> 00:17:13.870San Rao: And any lot owner that expresses interest gets added to the site list with no further consideration to the impact on the neighborhood.
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San Rao: We cannot allow a repeat of what happened last time.
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00:17:17.470 --> 00:17:23.070San Rao: The process cannot be dumbed down to just allowing greedy landowners to volunteer.
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San Rao: To upzone their sites, just because… of financial interests.
12900:17:27.780 --> 00:17:35.820San Rao: This process needs to be based on a much more sophisticated criteria, such as looking at Class C
vintage office.
13000:17:36.050 --> 00:17:38.739San Rao: properties in Cupertino, that world.
13100:17:38.860 --> 00:17:44.839San Rao: really serve the community better by being put to use for housing rather than classy office.
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00:17:45.000 --> 00:17:50.919San Rao: Likewise, we need to protect our retail, and we cannot allow for our retail sites to get upzoned.
13300:17:51.180 --> 00:18:03.590San Rao: Into housing elements. So I'm really concerned that we are almost 4 months in from when we first said we would need to do this, and we have seen no progress at all. I fail to understand why we need
consultants for this process.
13400:18:03.690 --> 00:18:15.649San Rao: I urge you to look at what other cities are doing, and whether all of those cities are using consultants for the process. It's time that we started asking our staff to do some of these things, rather than
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San Rao: We're relying on consultants who, frankly, do not know our city and do not understand the
sentiment of our neighborhoods and their residents.
13600:18:23.790 --> 00:18:28.369San Rao: So I urge you to… Direct staff to
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San Rao: iterate this item at the Planning Commission and City Council multiple rounds. I do not believe this
is a one and done, and would hate to see
13800:18:37.420 --> 00:18:43.539San Rao: a repeat of what happened with Linda Vista Drive, McClellan Road, and various other places.
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San Rao: I'm already seeing signs of that.
14000:18:45.920 --> 00:18:50.180San Rao: With, indications of properties in Cupertino coming up on LoopNet.
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00:18:50.370 --> 00:18:58.950San Rao: And the timing is ominous, because when we see commercial properties on Bollinger Road and other places coming up on LoopNet, just in time for this kind of no-net law.
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San Rao: It makes us wonder what is behind the timing.
14300:19:02.920 --> 00:19:07.060San Rao: So I urge you to protect, not just our retail.
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San Rao: And commercial properties, but also we have churches.
14500:19:11.300 --> 00:19:13.909San Rao: And we have other zone sites.
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San Rao: That have certain specific uses, and we cannot allow
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00:19:17.720 --> 00:19:26.920San Rao: for a ongoing reduction in dedicated use for non-housing purposes. So let's protect retail, let's protect our churches.
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San Rao: Let's target our Class C offices. Thank you.
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15000:19:33.110 --> 00:19:42.379Speaker 2 (Community Hall): Just a reminder to members of the public wishing to speak on this item to raise
your hand within the next minute and a half, and we will go to Rhoda Frye. Welcome, Rhoda.
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00:19:44.960 --> 00:19:56.839rhoda fry: Hi, good evening. To continue on the sentiments of the previous speaker, I'd like to see some more transparency as to what is going on in Cupertino as to new housing projects.
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rhoda fry: for instance, there was a new… there was a project that was applied for all the way back in
February, sort of a higher density project, over on…
15300:20:08.290 --> 00:20:31.130rhoda fry: Stevens Creek Boulevard, and… and, Foothill, where the… there's a… there's a single-family home, and then a little office center. It's gonna get turned into housing. Be nice if there could be maybe an
info… info memo that would be the Planning Commission level, every time we have Planning Commission
meetings, so we know what's kind of coming.
15400:20:31.500 --> 00:20:45.220rhoda fry: that project was kind of… was quite difficult to… was not easy to find. I looked for develop… like,
the regular development projects, wasn't on the line there. I actually found it through Accela. I did find it…
15500:20:45.220 --> 00:20:59.749rhoda fry: from some other website, seems like there's a bunch of different places to find projects, that are going on now. So anyway, request for more transparency. And to that, I just wanted to ask also regarding, the accounts payable.
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rhoda fry: there is a traffic light replacement, and it was on McClellan, but I'm not quite sure exactly where it
was on McClellan, why we needed new traffic light. Is this where the gas station thing is? Where we did the
redo of De Anza and McClellan? And if so.
15700:21:17.480 --> 00:21:33.580rhoda fry: my… I would think that that would be part of a, CIP, a capital improvements project, and even if it's not there, I'm wondering why it… that that was charged to the general fund.
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rhoda fry: And not a.
15900:21:34.640 --> 00:21:38.840Speaker 1 (Community Hall): Ms. Frye, that is on the agenda, accounts payable.
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rhoda fry: Sorry.
16100:21:39.820 --> 00:21:40.240Speaker 1 (Community Hall): Okay.
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rhoda fry: Yeah, I didn't realize it was pulled, so I… sorry.
16300:21:45.940 --> 00:21:50.439rhoda fry: Oh, so that… I would have to speak to that on the account… on the…
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rhoda fry: Whichever… whatever it's called. Anyway, okay, so I'll just pretend… can we just pretend that I
just spoke to the next agenda item, and I've said my piece, or do you want me to talk again later?
16500:22:06.915 --> 00:22:10.244Speaker 1 (Community Hall): You should speak to it on the proper agenda item.
16600:22:10.250 --> 00:22:13.440rhoda fry: Okay, I'll see you soon. Thank you.
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Speaker 2 (Community Hall): Thank you, Rhoda.
16800:22:18.250 --> 00:22:22.310Speaker 2 (Community Hall): And Mayor, that concludes the request to speak under oral communications this evening.
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Speaker 1 (Community Hall): All right, thank you.
17000:22:25.200 --> 00:22:30.870Speaker 1 (Community Hall): Next, we move on to the consent calendar. I believe item 6 has been pulled, is that correct? That's correct.
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Speaker 2 (Community Hall): Mayor.
17200:22:31.620 --> 00:22:36.529Speaker 1 (Community Hall): Are there any other items which the Council would like to pull at this time?
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Speaker 1 (Community Hall): Not seeing any. Madam City Clerk, are there any members of the public who
would like to speak on items 3 through 5, or 7 through 12?
17400:22:48.960 --> 00:22:52.140Speaker 2 (Community Hall): Yes, Mayor, I have two requests to speak on the consent calendar.
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Speaker 2 (Community Hall): And I see one hand raised virtually. Okay.
17600:22:56.840 --> 00:23:04.309Speaker 2 (Community Hall): So we will go to the in-person request to speak, so we will, welcome Deanne Everton.
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Speaker 2 (Community Hall): Followed by Jean Bedoured.
17800:23:08.810 --> 00:23:21.480Speaker 2 (Community Hall): And as a reminder, members of the public wishing to speak under items on the consent calendar shall submit a request to speak or raise their hand virtually within the first 9 minutes of the
start of public comment, or before the public comment period is closed, whichever comes first.
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Speaker 2 (Community Hall): Welcome, Dan.
18000:23:28.270 --> 00:23:31.789Speaker 2 (Community Hall): Yes, this is the right time. Okay. Good evening, Mayor.
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Speaker 4 (Community Hall): Council members and staff, I'm Deanne Everton.
18200:23:34.035 --> 00:23:37.665Speaker 3 (Community Hall): Executive Director of Rebuilding Together Silicon Valley.
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Speaker 4 (Community Hall): Rebuilding Together has committed the last 35 years
18400:23:41.560 --> 00:23:45.310Speaker 4 (Community Hall): For preserving and protecting our affordable housing stock.
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Speaker 4 (Community Hall): We've been proud partners with the City of Cupertino for the last 20 years,
serving Cupertino low-income homeowners, which in turn assists the City with meeting its Consolidated
Plan's number one goal to renovate 35 units of homeowner housing by 2030.
18600:24:01.830 --> 00:24:11.399Speaker 4 (Community Hall): With a relatively low investment, we make the necessary repairs to restore a home as a safe, healthy, and affordable housing option for years to come.
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Speaker 4 (Community Hall): And with low-income housing at a premium, we know how important this is in
Cupertino.
18800:24:17.760 --> 00:24:23.980Speaker 4 (Community Hall): Our clients have an average income of just $43,000, or 30% of median income.
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Speaker 4 (Community Hall): These are primarily older adults and people with disabilities, making tough choices every day between food and medicine, and overdue home repairs and safety modifications.
19000:24:35.280 --> 00:24:48.349Speaker 4 (Community Hall): Again, due to unique challenges such as living on a fixed income or having
some type of disability or health issue, these folks face significant housing barriers, putting them at a greater
risk of housing instability.
19100:24:48.660 --> 00:24:55.099Speaker 4 (Community Hall): All the more reason to preserve these naturally occurring housing options for long-time Cupertino residents.
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Speaker 4 (Community Hall): We recently identified 1,400 low-income, owner-occupied households within Cupertino with an older adult in the home. And we know that around one-quarter of all owner-occupied homes report at least one negative housing condition.
19300:25:11.720 --> 00:25:23.349Speaker 4 (Community Hall): We are committed to a robust outreach plan to identify those Cupertino
residents in need of these critical repairs, allowing them to remain safely and affordably housed.
19400:25:23.690 --> 00:25:37.430Speaker 4 (Community Hall): Our critical home repairs and safety modifications not only restore healthy living environments and improve the quality of life for each recipient, but our work strengthens neighborhoods, fosters connections.
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Speaker 4 (Community Hall): And preserves the cultural and economic diversity of our community, all for a
relatively low investment, while at the same time saving our community costs that far surpass the cost of the
repairs.
19600:25:49.760 --> 00:25:56.569Speaker 4 (Community Hall): Our work of stabilizing homes also supports generational wealth while reducing the risk of displacement.
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Speaker 4 (Community Hall): We thank you for your belief in our mission, and your support of our work through our CDBG funds, and the important role that home repair makes in preserving affordable housing. Thank you.
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Speaker 2 (Community Hall): Thank you, Dan. Next, we'll welcome Jean Badore.
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00:26:21.760 --> 00:26:27.780Speaker 2 (Community Hall): Good… good evening, Mayor Moore, Vice Chair Chow, Council members.
20000:26:27.780 --> 00:26:32.630Speaker 6 (Community Hall): and staff. My name is Jean Bedoured, and I am a Cupertino resident.
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Speaker 6 (Community Hall): I'm speaking tonight to object to consent item number 5, the new format for accounts payable.
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Speaker 6 (Community Hall): There's no indication that this is for legal services. I happen to know that this
bill is for the city attorney, but most residents tracking the overage on legal services would have no means of identifying relevant payments.
20400:27:07.360 --> 00:27:13.340Speaker 6 (Community Hall): In addition, there's no indication of the time period for which legal services were provided.
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20600:27:18.660 --> 00:27:23.760Speaker 6 (Community Hall): The new accounts payable format as submit is not transparent.
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Speaker 6 (Community Hall): I urge Council to have finance resubmit in the old format for the next Council meeting.
20800:27:31.180 --> 00:27:38.320Speaker 6 (Community Hall): Residents deserve better documentation and transparency regarding payments of taxpayer dollars.
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21000:27:42.760 --> 00:27:43.610Speaker 2 (Community Hall): Thank you, Jean.
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Speaker 2 (Community Hall): Next, we will move to the request to speak virtually.
21200:27:49.200 --> 00:27:54.150Speaker 2 (Community Hall): I see two hands raised. We will welcome Rhoda Frye, followed by San Rao. Welcome, Rhoda.
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rhoda fry: Again, long time no speak. I'd like to make a comment, also regarding the previous speaker, as though somehow, and also her newsletter, that somehow spending, or
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rhoda fry: Investing, I should say, in our legal services.
21500:28:13.480 --> 00:28:36.499rhoda fry: is a bad thing. It's actually a good thing. And, you know, with having these… our contract
services, we have a wonderful law firm that sits behind our contract attorney, so we don't have to go out to
get to somebody else. They have a whole bunch of people in the back office there, and it also means that
we're not paying benefits and retirement and
21600:28:36.500 --> 00:28:57.929rhoda fry: and vacation, and all those other things, it's… it's… it's a one-stop shop. So, it might sound really expensive, but it's not necessarily, although on the transparency thing, yep, we need to work on that, and that's the other thing I'm going to speak to, and it will be of no surprise, because I'm going to talk about
that traffic light again. So, regarding the traffic light, the question is, is where… where is it?
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rhoda fry: If it was actually at the McClellan Yeah, McClellan-Danza intersection.
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rhoda fry: how it relates to the entire… entire project, because we did… my understanding is that that was
definitely a CIP project. And in general, why wouldn't… why… why wouldn't we have… have, traffic lights fall
under
22100:29:37.180 --> 00:29:50.330rhoda fry: fall under CIPs, and… and… and yeah, where… where is it? What's it for? Why did we need it? And… and just general housekeeping stuff. Anyway, thank you very much.
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rhoda fry: And have a good night!
22300:29:55.690 --> 00:30:00.450Speaker 2 (Community Hall): Thank you, Rhoda. Next, we will welcome San Rao, followed by Carol Kahn. Welcome, San.
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San Rao: Good evening, Mayor Moore and Councilmember, speaking on behalf of myself only as a Cupertino
resident, I am commenting on agenda item
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San Rao: 12, which I had requested be pulled.
22600:30:14.790 --> 00:30:17.150San Rao: I had also requested agenda item.
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00:30:17.730 --> 00:30:23.129San Rao: 6b pulled, I believe it was, and maybe there was another one that I predicted would be pulled.
22800:30:23.310 --> 00:30:27.480San Rao: I'd like to comment specifically on the chamber item on which I wrote in.
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San Rao: the… the staff report, I believe, indicates As per the… contract with the Chamber.
23000:30:35.650 --> 00:30:41.930San Rao: Providing chamber membership to the city, including registration for two city staff, as well as all council members.
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San Rao: at events hosted by the Chamber.
23200:30:44.680 --> 00:30:49.910San Rao: I'd like you to clarify exactly what this is, because providing membership to the Chamber
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San Rao: is a gift. I looked up the chamber membership rates for organizations with employees of 100 to
200.
23400:30:57.640 --> 00:31:00.850San Rao: And that is… $1,890.
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San Rao: This change in the chamber providing free memberships to all council members and two staff.
23600:31:09.700 --> 00:31:11.369San Rao: When was that put in place?
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San Rao: Have the staff and council members been reporting it?
23800:31:15.030 --> 00:31:26.570San Rao: on their statement of economic interest, and have they recused on all votes involving the Chamber. I think this is critical to disclose. I believe all council members need to recuse on this vote today.
23900:31:26.770 --> 00:31:29.040San Rao: Because you are receiving…
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San Rao: an economic gift already. And therefore, this item cannot be voted on until you first amend the
contract to
24100:31:36.830 --> 00:31:39.379San Rao: To exclude this item from the…
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San Rao: From the benefits offered to council members and staff.
24300:31:43.510 --> 00:31:46.250San Rao: Therefore, I ask you to please not move forward on this.
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San Rao: And then let's, let's try and get, a contract where there is no economic interest involved, and let's
have… the Chamber is a good organization, I do support it, I'm…
24500:31:57.200 --> 00:32:08.699San Rao: I'm strongly pro-business, but we just need to make sure that there's no gifts being offered to council members and staff, and that is critical. And on the other agenda items under consent.
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San Rao: I have previously written in on the
24700:32:11.820 --> 00:32:16.059San Rao: item around, item 6, I believe it was.
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San Rao: Are we supposed to comment on all items, or only the items that have not been pulled?
24900:32:21.180 --> 00:32:23.470San Rao: It's not clear to me if you're committing on all items.
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Speaker 1 (Community Hall): Only… only the items which are still on consent and have not been pulled.
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San Rao: I'd like to urge you to review items that have spending about $10,000.
25300:32:37.970 --> 00:32:41.879San Rao: We have… Ongoing spending in public works on…
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00:32:42.090 --> 00:32:49.620San Rao: street lamp repairs that are running into the $30,000 plus dollars. When I look at the spending by vendor on street lamps alone.
25500:32:49.850 --> 00:33:03.719San Rao: our spending has gone up significantly, and while I support investment in infrastructure, I think we
just need to be mindful of where and how we are spending, and a street lamp replacement at $40,000, and
recurring
25600:33:04.000 --> 00:33:07.209San Rao: Investments with that one vendor needs to be revisited.
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San Rao: I would urge you to look at other spent items.
25800:33:09.850 --> 00:33:11.609Speaker 2 (Community Hall): Thank you, Sam. That is your time.
25900:33:11.930 --> 00:33:14.100Speaker 2 (Community Hall): Next, we will welcome Carol Kahn.
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26100:33:20.050 --> 00:33:38.330Carole Conn: Thank you very much. It's my pleasure to be here. I'm Carol Kahn, the Executive Director of Project Sentinel. We have been in the community of Cupertino for over a dozen years, and, are very
privileged to have a partnership with the City in rendering housing services.
26200:33:38.330 --> 00:33:52.950Carole Conn: We've been in operation over 50 years. Our mission is to promote fairness and equality in housing for all people, and contribute through conflict resolution, increased understanding and peaceable relationships between housing providers and residents.
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Carole Conn: stabilization and community. And we… our mission is to keep people stably housed, prevent
eviction, displacement, and homelessness.
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Carole Conn: And it is with the, with much gratitude and appreciation that I thank the City Council for its
continued funding for Project Sentinel in both our Fair Housing Department and our Tenant Landlord Counseling and Dispute Resolution prop…
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Carole Conn: Department. Our activities, are helping to remove discriminatory housing barriers and
practices. We investigate complaints of discrimination. We administer systemic audits.
26600:34:31.889 --> 00:34:40.810Carole Conn: Conduct community outreach and event, and events, and, seek redress for victims of discrimination through enforcement.
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Carole Conn: In our tenant-landlord counseling arena, we are an essential service between going to court
and problems that fester unaddressed. We get in the middle of those kinds of situations to render resolution and partner with
26800:34:55.960 --> 00:35:03.890Carole Conn: Other outside agencies as necessary, including code enforcement and social services, in order to bring
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Speaker 2 (Community Hall): Thank you, Carol. And Mayor, that concludes the request to speak on the
consent calendar. Okay, thank you.
27100:35:26.135 --> 00:35:27.545Speaker 1 (Community Hall): So…
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Speaker 1 (Community Hall): I would like item 5, the reformatting, to be reverted back to the prior
methodology. It was more transparent, but I'm not sure how to get the current accounts payable to return
to us with all that extra data in it.
27300:35:46.705 --> 00:36:00.334Speaker 3 (Community Hall): And Jonathan and I were just looking into it while we heard some of the comments. We did, in fact, notice that there was an error in one of the sections, so we'll fix the formatting, and we'll figure out a way to reissue it or share it with…
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Speaker 3 (Community Hall): Yeah, I'll have to figure out how to share it, but maybe at the next one, we can attach this one as well.
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Speaker 3 (Community Hall): Yes, thank you for, providing me an opportunity to clarify, based on the
remarks of the resident. We issued a desk item.
27700:36:26.015 --> 00:36:45.275Speaker 3 (Community Hall): And the section, which is Section 4, titled Other Provisions, that talks about the Chamber membership and event participation for City Staff and Council, actually has been crossed out, so that is no longer part of the proposed scope that's in front of the Council today.
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27900:36:46.605 --> 00:36:47.435Speaker 3 (Community Hall): Thank you.
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Speaker 1 (Community Hall): Thank you. Do… do we have a motion to move items 3 through 5 and 7 through 12?
28100:36:54.160 --> 00:36:55.249Speaker 1 (Community Hall): Oh, so much.
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R "Ray" Wang, Councilmember: to move items 3 to 5? Okay.
28300:36:57.690 --> 00:37:02.680Speaker 1 (Community Hall): So, Vice Mayor moved it. Councilmember Wong, would you like to second?
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R "Ray" Wang, Councilmember: Second, here we go.
28500:37:04.140 --> 00:37:10.589Speaker 1 (Community Hall): Okay, thank you. Does the Council have any… any comments on these items, or… Vice Mayor?
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Speaker 1 (Community Hall): I have a comment, but I also have some questions I hope the staff could
clarify. First of all.
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Speaker 7 (Community Hall): So, I'd like to thank Rebuilding Together, Project Sentinel, and the other
awardees for the CDPG and other grants.
28800:37:27.190 --> 00:37:43.049Speaker 7 (Community Hall): West Valley Community Services, Senior Adult Legal Services, Catholic Charities
of Santa Clara County, and Life Oak Adult Day Services. Thank you all for providing much-needed services
for Cupertino residents.
28900:37:43.050 --> 00:37:49.550Speaker 7 (Community Hall): And my question, I think for the Chamber of contract, once that…
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Speaker 7 (Community Hall): is crossed out, so Cupertino, as a city, will not be a member of the Chamber
unless the city decides to pay membership fee.
29100:38:02.700 --> 00:38:06.820Speaker 7 (Community Hall): That is correct, yeah. And so that we will decide later.
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Speaker 3 (Community Hall): Okay. If city…
29300:38:08.860 --> 00:38:18.760Speaker 3 (Community Hall): chooses to be a member, we'll have to look at what the member benefits are, and if the city wants to be a member, I believe it's roughly $3,000 a year.
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Speaker 3 (Community Hall): Based on the number of employees. And I just want to further clarify, if I
didn't, the portion for the other provisions that I mentioned, the membership and the event participation.
29500:38:31.340 --> 00:38:41.950Speaker 3 (Community Hall): was already crossed out from the proposed scope. It was just an error that it stayed in one of the attachments, so it was never meant to come in front of Council as is, so…
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Speaker 3 (Community Hall): Yeah, because the…
29700:38:43.715 --> 00:39:00.244Speaker 7 (Community Hall): revised, contract is $3,000, so that doesn't include the… $5,000, that doesn't include the 3,000 membership fee. That is correct. Yeah. Okay, thank you. Another question is, regarding the traffic light, do we know where is it?
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Speaker 7 (Community Hall): on… But why is it charged to general fund, not CIP?
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Speaker 3 (Community Hall): The… I don't think my staff knows offhand, we'll look into.
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Speaker 7 (Community Hall): answer that later, that's fine. Yeah, I'll look into that. And for the accounts payable, why are we going to a new format? Is that part of the budget formatting, or a new system?
30100:39:24.585 --> 00:39:28.715Speaker 7 (Community Hall): It was not an intention, it was a mistake and an oversight on ours.
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Speaker 8 (Community Hall): So we will, clean up that, or correct that, that formatting, and resubmit the account sample.
30300:39:35.395 --> 00:39:38.395Speaker 7 (Community Hall): So that will be in the next council meeting.
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Speaker 8 (Community Hall): Or we can bring it to… as an informational memo.
30500:39:43.100 --> 00:39:47.729Speaker 3 (Community Hall): Yeah, Council can let us know what the preference is. We could issue it in the memo.
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Speaker 7 (Community Hall): for it at the council meeting, so it's easier for people to… To track, yeah, I agree.
30700:39:52.925 --> 00:39:54.245Speaker 7 (Community Hall): Understood. Thank you.
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Speaker 1 (Community Hall): Okay, so we have a motion and a second. Madam City Clerk, will you please conduct the roll call vote?
30900:40:01.910 --> 00:40:02.430Speaker 1 (Community Hall): Councilman.
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Speaker 2 (Community Hall): A friend?
31100:40:03.575 --> 00:40:04.315Speaker 2 (Community Hall): Right?
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Speaker 2 (Community Hall): Councilmember Mohan?
31300:40:06.495 --> 00:40:07.285Speaker 2 (Community Hall): Aye.
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Speaker 2 (Community Hall): Katara Wong?
31500:40:08.920 --> 00:40:09.530R "Ray" Wang, Councilmember: Aye.
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Speaker 2 (Community Hall): Vice Mayor Cho?
31700:40:11.460 --> 00:40:12.310Speaker 2 (Community Hall): Aye.
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Speaker 7 (Community Hall): Moore? Aye.
31900:40:13.740 --> 00:40:15.170Speaker 2 (Community Hall): Motion carries unanimously.
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Speaker 1 (Community Hall): Thank you. Councilmember Wong, you pulled item 6, would you please, state
why you would like it pulled, and, and then we'll see if there's a staff report.
32100:40:25.120 --> 00:40:31.620R "Ray" Wang, Councilmember: Yes, I pulled item number 6 because of the amount behind it. I also pulled item number 6 because.
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Speaker 2 (Community Hall): So…
32300:40:31.990 --> 00:40:32.770R "Ray" Wang, Councilmember: Like, that's…
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Speaker 2 (Community Hall): Sorry, Councilmember Wong, we're gonna need you to speak up, or I'm gonna
ask if video has any…
32500:40:39.070 --> 00:40:39.580Speaker 2 (Community Hall): waited.
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Speaker 2 (Community Hall): Allow him to.
32800:40:41.910 --> 00:40:43.259R "Ray" Wang, Councilmember: How's this? That should be better?
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Speaker 2 (Community Hall): Oh, that is better, thank you so much.
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R "Ray" Wang, Councilmember: We wanted to make sure that we had a better process for choosing EV
charging vendors. It seems that what was chosen at the SportsCenter and the preferences and the
complaints that we have with current EV charger providers, it didn't seem like we had addressed that in this
process, and I was hoping that we would address that here as another way, so that in the process of actually going through this item, we make sure that we go out to bid for new EV charger processes.
33200:41:19.780 --> 00:41:26.519R "Ray" Wang, Councilmember: In a different manner, because right now, there are a lot of complaints with the existing chargers that we have, so…
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33400:41:34.830 --> 00:41:51.640Speaker 3 (Community Hall): Thank you, Mayor, and thank you, Councilmember Wong. There is a staff
report, and we can further provide some clarifications. There was an email, that I sent to Councilmember
Wong, and I know members of the public may not have that information, so I will ask the Director of Public
Works to provide clarification.
33500:41:51.640 --> 00:42:05.299Speaker 3 (Community Hall): I will say, before I turn it over to Chad, for the chargers citywide, you know, there were some operational reasons, however, we are looking to see if the RFP, could be put into place going forward.
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Speaker 3 (Community Hall): Chad?
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Speaker 3 (Community Hall): Yeah, very good. Thank you, members.
33800:42:09.285 --> 00:42:20.484Speaker 2 (Community Hall): Sorry to interrupt real quick, I just have a clarifying question. Was this item
usually items pulled off the consent or heard at the end of the meeting? Was there a motion to reorder this
item? I apologize.
33900:42:20.635 --> 00:42:21.415Speaker 2 (Community Hall): Thank you.
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Speaker 1 (Community Hall): There was… there was not. Madam City Attorney, can I reorder the item to
have it heard now? You may. All right, I move that we, reorder the consent calendar items which are pulled,
so that item 6 will be heard, now. Do I have a second?
34100:42:40.035 --> 00:42:42.665Speaker 7 (Community Hall): Second, thank you, I was wondering about that.
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Speaker 2 (Community Hall): Thank you. Councilmember Ferwin?
34300:42:47.135 --> 00:42:50.845Speaker 2 (Community Hall): Right. Councilmember Rohan? Aye. Councilmember Wong?
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R "Ray" Wang, Councilmember: Aye.
34500:42:51.920 --> 00:42:56.979Speaker 2 (Community Hall): Vice Mayor Chao? Aye. Mayor Moore? Aye. Motion carries unanimously. Thank you. Thank you so much.
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Speaker 1 (Community Hall): And, will we continue on with the staff, explanation for Councilmember Wong?
34700:43:03.995 --> 00:43:08.774Speaker 1 (Community Hall): Yeah, I'll try and answer that. Chad Mosley, Director of Public Works, thank you for the question.
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Speaker 9 (Community Hall): For the service center, all of these EV units will be for city vehicle use. They will
not be open to the public, so there's really no service provider, aside from PG&E, and then, the maker of the
units. In this case, the maker of the unit is Outl.
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Speaker 9 (Community Hall): We don't need a service provider such as EVgo or ChargePoint because
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Speaker 9 (Community Hall): Those, vendors provide kind of a…
35100:43:35.375 --> 00:43:45.925Speaker 9 (Community Hall): An interaction with the public, where they would pay for the electricity, they would process that payment, work with those individuals directly.
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Speaker 9 (Community Hall): In this case, the city is simply charging vehicles and paying PGD through our invoices. Hopefully that answers the question.
35300:43:54.045 --> 00:43:54.635R "Ray" Wang, Councilmember: It does.
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Speaker 1 (Community Hall): Let's…
35500:43:54.960 --> 00:44:06.299R "Ray" Wang, Councilmember: And I appreciate the fact that you're getting ahead of the need to meet our CARB requirements. I just wanted to make sure that in the event there was a choice of providers, there was
a bidding process. Thank you so much.
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00:44:07.810 --> 00:44:13.090Speaker 1 (Community Hall): Great, thank you for the question and for the response, and I see, Vice Mayor, you have your hand raised?
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Speaker 7 (Community Hall): Hi, just curious, I think the different charger has different efficiencies, some of
the chargers charge faster, those superchargers, so what kind of charger are being installed?
35800:44:26.945 --> 00:44:44.164Speaker 9 (Community Hall): Most of these are going to be level 2 chargers, and that is because, you know, we intend to operate our vehicles through the day, and then we'll bring them back in the evening and charge them. It'll be a slower charge than we need for any level 3s, or what they call fast chargers. So it's mostly just Level 2 chargers.
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Speaker 7 (Community Hall): Okay, so that's cheaper than we don't need the Level 3 charger.
36000:44:49.060 --> 00:44:56.000Speaker 7 (Community Hall): Because the city can put a better plan for that. Correct. Okay, that's good to know. Thanks.
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Speaker 1 (Community Hall): Okay, Madam City Clerk, are there any members of the public who would like to speak on this item?
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Speaker 2 (Community Hall): Mayor, I don't see any requests in person, but I do see one hand raised
virtually.
36300:45:11.780 --> 00:45:14.020Speaker 2 (Community Hall): Okay, so we will welcome San Rao.
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San Rao: Good evening, Mayor Moore, Councilmember, speaking on behalf of myself only as a Guptima
resident.
36500:45:21.840 --> 00:45:26.160San Rao: I am concerned that we continue spending
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San Rao: As if it is business as usual. It is not business as usual. The city is in a state of fiscal imbalance.
36700:45:33.180 --> 00:45:41.180San Rao: We are facing a steep increase in the sheriff's costs. We are seeing a decline in our retail sales tax.
36800:45:41.330 --> 00:45:45.159
San Rao: And we have lost our CTTFA source of revenue, or the…
369
00:45:45.270 --> 00:45:53.160San Rao: major business that was providing us a share of sales tax. We cannot continue in this mode just approving projects at this
37000:45:53.270 --> 00:45:55.950
San Rao: Large amount on consent calendar.
371
00:45:56.550 --> 00:46:00.879San Rao: If there are state laws that require us to convert to EVs.
37200:46:01.140 --> 00:46:04.410San Rao: We need to look at why we have this fleet.
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San Rao: A fleet of service vehicles certainly is acceptable. A fleet of passenger automobiles for the use of staff needs to be reconsidered. Maybe it is time to age those vehicles out, and to then dispose of them, and to allow staff to use their personal vehicles.
374
00:46:21.030 --> 00:46:24.620San Rao: Maybe it is time for you to do a study of which other cities are doing this.
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San Rao: and whether… A city fleet of Automotives for staff is
37600:46:32.080 --> 00:46:41.660San Rao: In the realm of feasibility for us, we need to make hard cuts, and it can't be on residents. It's time that we start making these cuts. This is a contract
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San Rao: For nearly 600 and $50,000.
37800:46:47.180 --> 00:46:52.549San Rao: And there are many alternatives if you were to Think creatively and frugally.
37900:46:52.970 --> 00:46:58.250
San Rao: School districts have installed charges. De Anza College has installed charges.
380
00:46:58.380 --> 00:47:03.799San Rao: You have charges at the Target shopping center, and there are many other places that you can use.
38100:47:03.950 --> 00:47:10.170
San Rao: So you really need to stop this process of spending money unchecked, especially on consent
calendar.
38200:47:10.300 --> 00:47:14.179San Rao: And you're losing trust and credibility with voters and residents.
38300:47:14.380 --> 00:47:20.970
San Rao: To go to voters with a tax ballot measure and proposed fee hikes that will be later in this agenda
today.
38400:47:21.230 --> 00:47:26.890San Rao: while you're continuing to spend at this rate is unacceptable, EVs are a luxury.
38500:47:27.220 --> 00:47:29.299
San Rao: Residents don't have EVs.
386
00:47:29.430 --> 00:47:36.990San Rao: So when you give yourself EVs and then spend $650,000 on charges, This… is…
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San Rao: unacceptable amount of spending, and I ask you to reject this item.
38800:47:41.060 --> 00:47:57.980San Rao: and further bring back to Council an item to consider disposition of the fleet, so that you reduce
recurring costs, and only maintain a fleet that is required for service vehicles specifically for public works,
and not the many automotives we have on staff today. Thank you.
38900:48:01.200 --> 00:48:02.060Speaker 2 (Community Hall): Thank you, Sam.
39000:48:02.200 --> 00:48:05.520
Speaker 2 (Community Hall): Mayor, that concludes the request to speak on item number 6.
39100:48:06.110 --> 00:48:19.269Speaker 1 (Community Hall): All right, thank you. Would the City Manager or Director Mosley like to address, those concerns and explain, perhaps, why we, need the EV chargers?
39200:48:19.480 --> 00:48:29.950
Speaker 3 (Community Hall): Sure, I can, I can get started and chat add-on if you need to. So this is a state-
mandated requirement that we are, you know, timing
39300:48:30.350 --> 00:48:45.859Speaker 3 (Community Hall): strategically, so we can go after some of the grants. Whether or not we do this now, the state mandates us that our fleet is 50% EV at this time, starting 2024.
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Speaker 3 (Community Hall): And we're quickly climbing up to 100%. So this is infrastructure…
39500:48:50.760 --> 00:49:06.779Speaker 3 (Community Hall): being put in place for us to be able to take advantage of that and be compliant with state mandates. I will also mention, as included in the staff report, there is about $225,000 of grant funding.
396
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Speaker 3 (Community Hall): That the city is being able to take advantage of, if we… if we take this item
forward now.
39700:49:13.890 --> 00:49:28.440Speaker 9 (Community Hall): And I can provide a little bit more clarity on that. We are currently mandated to have 50% of our purchases… fleet purchases annually be EV, and in 2030, that is going to be shifting to
100%.
398
00:49:28.640 --> 00:49:37.740Speaker 9 (Community Hall): If we don't comply with those EV, requirements, there could be fines of up to $10,000 per day per vehicle. So, we are trying to…
39900:49:38.000 --> 00:49:44.349Speaker 9 (Community Hall): Have the infrastructure ready to be able to, facilitate that shift.
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Speaker 9 (Community Hall): Additionally, we, you know, because we are ahead of the game here, a lot of
cities are still trying to figure out what to do. We've been able to secure a free design through Silicon Valley Clean Energy.
40100:49:56.840 --> 00:50:13.269Speaker 9 (Community Hall): We've also been able to, have PG&E design their electrical work and cover a lot of the construction costs, probably somewhere in the $300,000 range for that, and we were able to get a
$225,000 grant. So we are trying to do what we can to maximize,
40200:50:13.540 --> 00:50:17.059Speaker 9 (Community Hall): External funds and minimize, city funds for this project.
40300:50:17.430 --> 00:50:27.659Speaker 1 (Community Hall): Okay, thank you. And what about the, argument that you could take the city
vehicles and go charge them at Danza College, or,
40400:50:27.890 --> 00:50:29.170Speaker 1 (Community Hall): somewhere else.
40500:50:31.630 --> 00:50:44.619Speaker 9 (Community Hall): to a certain extent, we could talk with them to see what possibilities there are
there, but we do want to have our city vehicles on our property. There would be a time efficiency, we
wouldn't have to go pick them up in the morning, bring them over,
40600:50:44.620 --> 00:50:54.559Speaker 9 (Community Hall): You know, additionally, we want to keep them on our property that is secure, and there are a number of reasons why this, this makes sense, as opposed to, having our vehicles spread out throughout the city.
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Speaker 1 (Community Hall): Understood, thank you. Vice Mayor, your hands raised?
40800:50:59.850 --> 00:51:00.500Speaker 7 (Community Hall): is.
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Speaker 7 (Community Hall): Yeah, thank you for getting the grant, which is great. I…
41000:51:06.730 --> 00:51:09.259Speaker 7 (Community Hall): I had some question I thought I…
41100:51:09.400 --> 00:51:27.900Speaker 7 (Community Hall): Didn't want to bother sending the… them over, but now that it's pulled, I just want to clarify. So the allocated funding for this item was $560,000, and then on the engineering estimate was $880,000.
412
00:51:28.200 --> 00:51:31.500Speaker 7 (Community Hall): But fortunately, the bid came down.
41300:51:31.900 --> 00:51:47.610Speaker 7 (Community Hall): The bid… the lowest bid was $651-something, almost 652,000. But it's still about $120,000 over the allocated amount, so I'm just curious…
414
00:51:47.670 --> 00:51:52.899Speaker 7 (Community Hall): But it's good that the grant that we have gotten from Clean Energy is
41500:51:53.040 --> 00:52:03.680Speaker 7 (Community Hall): covering the difference, so I'm just curious, how come the allocated amount was lower, and the engineering estimate was almost, like.
416
00:52:03.800 --> 00:52:13.540Speaker 7 (Community Hall): $320,000 more than the requested amount, yeah. Yeah, I can… Probably things have changed. Well, I mean, part of it.
41700:52:13.545 --> 00:52:27.694Speaker 9 (Community Hall): too, is, you know, when we initially came in with an estimate for that project, a
lot of it was just based on no information, right? We know we want to put in charges, we have an idea, we
come up with the cost estimates.
41800:52:27.775 --> 00:52:35.075Speaker 9 (Community Hall): Through that design, things got refined, and in this case, we undershot our initial estimate by
419
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Speaker 9 (Community Hall): you know, $240,000. That happens on occasion, and we did look for
opportunities to try and cover those funds through external funds. But again, initial cost estimates are really
42000:52:48.465 --> 00:52:56.945Speaker 9 (Community Hall): Us trying to do our due diligence and coming up with a reasonable cost, and then once you get into the design, you can really refine what it's gonna take.
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Speaker 9 (Community Hall): And, you know, I am not an electrical engineer, I'm a civil engineer. I didn't
know the level of effort it was going to take to get this project through.
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Speaker 7 (Community Hall): Yeah, okay, thank you. Yeah, I would like to mention that since last year, we have requested on the agenda title.
423
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Speaker 7 (Community Hall): we do highlight exactly if an amount requested is more than the allocated
amount, so that amount will be added, and that's on the agenda title. But for this case, that amount is
covered by grant.
42400:53:28.560 --> 00:53:36.719Speaker 7 (Community Hall): Which is great. I do have a question about what happens in a power outage. How will the CT vehicle
425
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Speaker 7 (Community Hall): handle the charging, how… I'm guessing you'll have a plan.
42600:53:41.290 --> 00:53:44.170Speaker 7 (Community Hall): Yeah, just want to find out.
427
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Speaker 9 (Community Hall): Yeah, we do have generators that we would use as necessary to facilitate that,
and to a certain extent, PG&E and the city have an agreement where for certain power outages, like PSPS, we have a preferred treatment because they know that we provide public services.
42800:54:03.700 --> 00:54:08.170Speaker 1 (Community Hall): Thank you. So… Great. Do we have a motion to move item 6?
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R "Ray" Wang, Councilmember: Actually, I do have a question through the Mayor. I'm sorry you can't see me as I raise my hand on Zoom.
43000:54:13.340 --> 00:54:14.920Speaker 1 (Community Hall): Please, Councilmember Wang.
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R "Ray" Wang, Councilmember: Real quick question. So when we net-net all the grants and the total costs, how much does it cost the city? Like, what's the total amount that we are paying for the project? Because it sounds like you've got a good percentage covered by the grants.
43200:54:28.560 --> 00:54:32.820Speaker 9 (Community Hall): Yeah, the city's cost is still somewhere around $450,000.
433
00:54:33.030 --> 00:54:35.040R "Ray" Wang, Councilmember: Okay, that's what I wanted to know. Thank you.
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Speaker 1 (Community Hall): Alright, do we have a motion to move item 6?
43500:54:40.260 --> 00:54:41.170Speaker 1 (Community Hall): So moved.
436
00:54:41.810 --> 00:54:48.219Speaker 1 (Community Hall): Thank you, Councilmember Fruen, and I will second that. Madam City Clerk, will you please conduct the roll call vote?
43700:54:49.150 --> 00:54:50.710Speaker 2 (Community Hall): Councilmember Fruen? Aye.
438
00:54:51.030 --> 00:54:54.049Speaker 2 (Community Hall): Councilmember Mohan? Aye. Councilmember Wong?
43900:54:54.050 --> 00:54:54.680R "Ray" Wang, Councilmember: Nay.
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Speaker 2 (Community Hall): in your town?
44100:54:57.870 --> 00:54:58.670Speaker 2 (Community Hall): Aye.
442
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Speaker 2 (Community Hall): Mayor Moore? Aye. Motion carries with Wong voting no. All right.
44300:55:08.550 --> 00:55:14.820Speaker 1 (Community Hall): And we are moving on to our… Public hearings…
444
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Speaker 1 (Community Hall): Our first item is the fee schedule update. Madam City Manager, do we have a
staff report?
44500:55:21.330 --> 00:55:33.739Speaker 3 (Community Hall): Thank you, Mayor. We have a staff report, and I will briefly introduce the item. So, this item presents the proposed fiscal year 26-27 fee schedule update. The annual update continues the city's cost recovery approach.
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Speaker 3 (Community Hall): Applying standard inflationary adjustments to ensure fees remain aligned with the cost of providing services, and consistent with Council policy. I will now turn it over to Jonathan Orozco, our Acting Director of Administrative Services, to walk us through the proposed updates.
447
00:55:57.450 --> 00:56:06.600Speaker 8 (Community Hall): Thank you. Good evening, Honorable Mayor Moore and Council Members. Tonight, we'll be presenting the fiscal year 2026-2027 proposed fee schedule update.
448
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Speaker 8 (Community Hall): I'll provide a brief overview starting with defining a user fee, an overview of
the city's fee schedules and the services they cover.
44900:56:18.020 --> 00:56:21.339Speaker 8 (Community Hall): And a methodology used to calculate and adjust fees.
450
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Speaker 8 (Community Hall): Give me a brief moment.
45100:56:26.980 --> 00:56:29.149Speaker 8 (Community Hall): Video, can you get the presentation up?
452
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Speaker 8 (Community Hall): Followed by the fiscal impact of the proposed fee schedule adjustments, and
lastly, the staff's recommendation for City Council consideration.
45300:56:50.240 --> 00:57:01.680Speaker 8 (Community Hall): As defined by the 2023 user fee study, a user fee is a fee or rate charged to an individual or group that receives a private benefit from services provided by the city.
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Speaker 8 (Community Hall): The City completed a comprehensive fee study in both fiscal year 2026 and
2023, which established the full cost of providing
45500:57:13.570 --> 00:57:18.069Speaker 8 (Community Hall): City services, and set a foundation for our fee schedules.
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Speaker 8 (Community Hall): In 2024, the City Council adopted a user fee cost recovery policy, which
incorporated several important elements to support long-term financial stability and transparency.
45700:57:30.000 --> 00:57:31.319Speaker 8 (Community Hall): It's included.
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Speaker 8 (Community Hall): A formal cycle for conducting future cost allocation plans and user fee studies.
45900:57:37.580 --> 00:57:43.629Speaker 8 (Community Hall): An annual update mechanism to ensure fees keep pace with inflation and
actual cost changes.
460
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Speaker 8 (Community Hall): A phased in a Period for select fees that require a multi-year approach to achieve full cost recovery.
46100:57:51.640 --> 00:57:57.209Speaker 8 (Community Hall): And lastly, establish a target cost recovery ranges for each service area.
462
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Speaker 8 (Community Hall): Together, these tools ensure that the City's fees remain tied to the actual cost of service delivery, set appropriate cost recovery goals, and provide a structured, policy-driven framework for annual adjustments.
46300:58:14.890 --> 00:58:20.019
Speaker 8 (Community Hall): Tonight's fees update includes four schedules. Schedule A, or General Fees.
464
00:58:20.170 --> 00:58:31.510Speaker 8 (Community Hall): This schedule includes fees not specific to a department or division that would require a dedicated schedule, such as codes and code enforcement permits, false alarms, and city clerk services.
465
00:58:31.880 --> 00:58:39.790
Speaker 8 (Community Hall): Schedule B, or engineering fees, This schedule covers fees necessary for the
engineering division within Public Works to
46600:58:40.390 --> 00:58:43.920Speaker 8 (Community Hall): Review plans and applications for private developments.
467
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Speaker 8 (Community Hall): Which include design and inspections, Schedule C, or planning fees. These
schedules…
46800:58:51.050 --> 00:59:03.809Speaker 8 (Community Hall): This schedule is utilized by the Planning Division, which administers all required review and evaluation processes for proposed land use projects and maintains the goals and objectives of the City's General Plan and Zoning Ordinance.
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Speaker 8 (Community Hall): And lastly, Schedule D, or building fees. This schedule utilizes
47000:59:09.080 --> 00:59:18.040Speaker 8 (Community Hall): as utilized by the Building Division within Community Development Department, and covers general building, construction plan check, and building code enforcement.
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Speaker 8 (Community Hall): Additionally, the City has a fifth schedule, Schedule E, or for Parks and Rec fees, which is not included in tonight's update.
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Speaker 8 (Community Hall): Onto the fiscal impact of the proposed fee schedule update.
47300:59:33.480 --> 00:59:40.390Speaker 8 (Community Hall): Total additional revenue is estimated to be approximately $874,000, largely in the general fund.
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Speaker 8 (Community Hall): This table shows separate, And this table separates the estimated increases by
schedules.
47500:59:48.180 --> 00:59:51.780Speaker 8 (Community Hall): In addition to the factors and basis that were used.
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Speaker 8 (Community Hall): At this time, staff is recommending the adoption of the resolution approving
fiscal year 2026-2027 fee schedules A through D, with an effective date of July 1st.
47701:00:04.320 --> 01:00:08.040Speaker 8 (Community Hall): This concludes my presentation, and staff is available to answer questions.
478
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Speaker 1 (Community Hall): All right, thank you, Acting Director Orozco. Do we have any Council clarifying
questions at this time?
47901:00:21.030 --> 01:00:22.530Speaker 1 (Community Hall): Is Councilmember Fruen?
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Speaker 1 (Community Hall): Thank you. I was hoping that maybe you could elaborate on how the bingo fee
was.
48101:00:30.680 --> 01:00:31.870Speaker 10 (Community Hall): calculate it.
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Speaker 8 (Community Hall): So, as part of… thank you. As part of the 2023 fee study, there was…
48301:00:39.660 --> 01:00:41.559Speaker 8 (Community Hall): And Council's direction, too.
484
01:00:41.700 --> 01:00:51.490Speaker 8 (Community Hall): try to recover full cost. It increased from $50 to approximately $250, and since then, it's been increasing by CPI.
485
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Speaker 10 (Community Hall): So we'd have to go back and look at that particular report from But, 3 years
ago.
48601:01:00.030 --> 01:01:01.270Speaker 10 (Community Hall): Correct. Go.
487
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Speaker 1 (Community Hall): Pardon, Madam City Manager, have those… do we have people who,
48801:01:10.450 --> 01:01:17.219Speaker 1 (Community Hall): Are… do… have the bingo permits, and are, and have they been up to date?
489
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Speaker 3 (Community Hall): Yes, we have two organizations that get annual permits from the city, and I
believe they're both current.
49001:01:26.900 --> 01:01:34.950Speaker 3 (Community Hall): They got their permits in January of 2026, and… through January 2027.
491
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Speaker 1 (Community Hall): Okay, so they've been paying the higher rates, so we were at $50 in 2023, and
then it changed.
49201:01:43.010 --> 01:01:46.130Speaker 3 (Community Hall): Jonathan, can you confirm when the rate changed?
493
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Speaker 8 (Community Hall): pre-fiscal years, so technically, I believe last year was the
49401:01:52.120 --> 01:02:00.440Speaker 8 (Community Hall): Fiscal year 24-25 was the first year that that fee was implemented, or increased from the previous established $50.
495
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Speaker 1 (Community Hall): Okay, thank you. Let me go back to the home panel, hold on. Councilmember
Mohan, followed by the Vice Mayor.
49601:02:08.020 --> 01:02:08.860Speaker 1 (Community Hall): Oh.
49701:02:09.500 --> 01:02:13.330Speaker 1 (Community Hall): Just to follow up on the… on the, bingo fee,
498
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Speaker 7 (Community Hall): Jonathan?
49901:02:14.550 --> 01:02:16.189Speaker 7 (Community Hall): Who, who pays this?
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Speaker 7 (Community Hall): Who actually makes the payment?
50101:02:19.750 --> 01:02:25.479Speaker 8 (Community Hall): There's two organizations, if you give me a brief moment, I can tell you what two organizations,
502
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Speaker 8 (Community Hall): Unless…
50301:02:26.855 --> 01:02:40.065Speaker 2 (Community Hall): I can answer that question for you, Councilmember Mohan. We have two organizations. We have St. Joseph Church, and we have the Senior Coordinating Council, who host Bingo outside of the… inside the Senior Center. Okay, so…
504
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Speaker 11 (Community Hall): I'm assuming, then, that St. Joseph's Church would charge a… People playing
bingo.
50501:02:47.560 --> 01:03:02.060Speaker 2 (Community Hall): Or this church absorption. The city does not charge them to play the bingo. We only charge them for… to process their bingo permit application each year, which is due December 1st each year for the following calendar year.
506
01:03:02.240 --> 01:03:02.910Speaker 2 (Community Hall): But the.
50701:03:02.915 --> 01:03:07.915Speaker 3 (Community Hall): two organizations, Councilmember Mohan, do charge whoever's coming to play.
508
01:03:08.375 --> 01:03:09.435Speaker 3 (Community Hall): On their own.
509
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Speaker 11 (Community Hall): Right. So, the church is not absorbed. Does anyone know, or is this even relevant? Does the…
510
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Speaker 11 (Community Hall): Church absorb the cost, or does… is the cost
51101:03:24.020 --> 01:03:28.840Speaker 11 (Community Hall): To the church. Taken down to the… to the members who actually play.
51201:03:29.060 --> 01:03:30.000
Speaker 11 (Community Hall): The cost of the.
513
01:03:30.000 --> 01:03:39.150Speaker 2 (Community Hall): a permit? Yeah. I'm not sure how they pay that, but they have higher… I think, bingo events.
51401:03:40.380 --> 01:03:46.169
Speaker 11 (Community Hall): To cover the costs. Okay, and what is the, staff involvement in this, since…
515
01:03:47.840 --> 01:03:54.120Speaker 3 (Community Hall): Other than processing the permit, and it, you know, staff does not run the program or support the program.
51601:03:54.690 --> 01:03:55.530
Speaker 11 (Community Hall): It does not.
517
01:03:56.680 --> 01:03:57.450Speaker 3 (Community Hall): We do not.
51801:03:58.390 --> 01:04:02.509Speaker 11 (Community Hall): And 3 years ago, did we run it, or did we not run it?
519
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Speaker 3 (Community Hall): I believe there may have been a different level of staff support in the past, but this… there was a clarification
52001:04:09.705 --> 01:04:14.425Speaker 3 (Community Hall): Through, legal advice a couple of years ago.
521
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Speaker 3 (Community Hall): And since then, there hasn't been
52201:04:16.655 --> 01:04:30.275
Speaker 3 (Community Hall): staff involvement in terms of running the program, but we support the
program by, you know, of course, providing the permits, and they play at a city facility, but staff is not, helping with running the program currently.
523
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Speaker 8 (Community Hall): add, when it was at $50, the fee was being subsidized by the city. So even
then, even before the change in the process, the city would subsidize the fee with actual city time to review
the application and process payments.
52401:04:49.360 --> 01:05:01.980Speaker 11 (Community Hall): Okay, thank you. I'll come back to that, Jonathan and Mayor. My other question was also about the farmer's market and the flea market. This is cost recovery. Flea market is…
525
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Speaker 11 (Community Hall): $14 a year, and farmer's market is $3.
52601:05:07.610 --> 01:05:10.430Speaker 11 (Community Hall): So, what kind of cost recovery is that?
527
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Speaker 8 (Community Hall): If you give me a brief moment, I can double check. There was a handful of
fees that Council decided not to, pursue full cost recovery. This may have been one of them. Other ones could have included green, Ford, fees, so if you give me a briefing, I'll just double-check. Thank you.
52801:05:33.680 --> 01:05:35.910Speaker 3 (Community Hall): Mayor Councilmember Wong has his hand raised.
529
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Speaker 1 (Community Hall): Okay, so it will go Vice Mayor, then Councilmember Wong, and then myself.
53001:05:43.800 --> 01:05:46.490Speaker 1 (Community Hall): So we can…
531
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Speaker 1 (Community Hall): You're… you're still waiting for your question to be answered on the… on
those, those fees.
53201:05:55.505 --> 01:05:58.105Speaker 11 (Community Hall): I can wait till later. Okay.
533
01:05:59.340 --> 01:06:07.339
Speaker 1 (Community Hall): Well, if, if Director Orozcoes would be answering the questions, I think we
might want to give him a moment. Do we wait for you, John?
53401:06:07.345 --> 01:06:07.915
Speaker 11 (Community Hall): Nothing?
535
01:06:09.610 --> 01:06:12.709
Speaker 8 (Community Hall): I can try to multitask, so I'm sorry. All right.
53601:06:12.715 --> 01:06:14.035Speaker 1 (Community Hall): Vice Mayor?
537
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Speaker 1 (Community Hall): Okay.
53801:06:15.870 --> 01:06:18.060Speaker 7 (Community Hall): So…
539
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Speaker 7 (Community Hall): Full-cost recovery for bingo, that's… so that's exactly the amount of time… staff
time to process the permit. That's equivalent to… how many hours?
54001:06:35.550 --> 01:06:49.359Speaker 8 (Community Hall): as it moves through the various departments, because it's, from my understanding, it's not just Parks and Rec, I do believe, public works or code enforcement is involved, and so across that, so you can… I would estimate somewhere about an hour and a half of total time.
541
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Speaker 8 (Community Hall): Based off of the amount that we see there, an hour to an hour and a half.
54201:06:54.440 --> 01:07:08.429Speaker 7 (Community Hall): Oh, it helped, combined with the different department. Correct. And even we are just renewing it every year, the amount of staffing time would still be that much. Correct.
543
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Speaker 7 (Community Hall): Okay.
54401:07:10.090 --> 01:07:26.050Speaker 7 (Community Hall): And then we… I think legally, the city cannot operate a bingo operation, so we require a third party to operate. But the city does waive the room rental fee. How much is that?
545
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Speaker 7 (Community Hall): 35, 15? 35, I think it was in the staff report. Sorry, I forgot.
54601:07:35.510 --> 01:07:52.439Speaker 1 (Community Hall): 50… That's $35.50 annually. It was last waived in 2019, for 2019 through 2024. The city also did provide the bingo equipment. They purchased it, back in…
547
01:07:52.440 --> 01:08:09.110
Speaker 1 (Community Hall): It's very old, like 2001, and that was about $10,000 worth of equipment, and the city used to provide the, daubers and the bingo cards as well, but I believe they stopped doing that around 2023.
548
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Speaker 7 (Community Hall): So the city already subsidized this, third party.
54901:08:14.000 --> 01:08:17.769Speaker 7 (Community Hall): That's operating the bingo on…
550
01:08:18.680 --> 01:08:32.640
Speaker 7 (Community Hall): Already through room rental and probably some earlier equipment purchase?
Correct. That the city has donated to them. I believe we have to donate that amount, not WAVE. Yeah.
55101:08:33.340 --> 01:08:42.599Speaker 1 (Community Hall): The, the city also is supposed to annually, there's supposed to be a report that's provided to the city that they would be
552
01:08:42.600 --> 01:09:03.939
Speaker 1 (Community Hall): evaluating, so I didn't know that there was this, money exchanging hands, so I
don't… I don't have enough information about that. I do know that, there are some bingo operations in the area, which are, bringing in, millions of dollars, each year, such as the Santa Clara Sporting, Bingo.
55301:09:03.939 --> 01:09:04.479Speaker 1 (Community Hall): Hall.
554
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Speaker 7 (Community Hall): I think, I suppose, the law was meant for those for-profit operations who might be charging a lot for playing. So, senior center, we don't charge any fee for playing?
55501:09:18.784 --> 01:09:23.424Speaker 7 (Community Hall): Do we charge? I thought we… they do charge fee for play, right?
556
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Speaker 3 (Community Hall): Vice Mayor, are you asking if we charge…
55701:09:27.234 --> 01:09:32.554Speaker 7 (Community Hall): The third, senior… Consoles…
558
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Speaker 3 (Community Hall): I believe that there is a… so if you want to play, you'll…
55901:09:36.290 --> 01:09:43.560Speaker 3 (Community Hall): There is a charge. Pay. Yeah, but not… they won't pay the city, it's, you know,
the senior center… Okay. …organization that's…
560
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Speaker 10 (Community Hall): Through the Mayor, on a point of clarification, I just wanted to make certain that we're talking about the Senior Center.
56101:09:51.640 --> 01:09:53.960Speaker 10 (Community Hall): Bingo, not St. Joe's.
562
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Speaker 10 (Community Hall): Okay.
56301:09:55.150 --> 01:09:59.099Speaker 10 (Community Hall): Yeah. Alright, that might not have been clear to other people.
564
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Speaker 1 (Community Hall): Thank you, Vice Mayor.
56501:10:02.465 --> 01:10:16.644Speaker 7 (Community Hall): So, just curious, if we know the fee, I would like to know whether the fee is, how much is it compared with market value, maybe like St. Joseph or other place? Is it high or low? Yeah.
566
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Speaker 7 (Community Hall): Thank you.
56701:10:18.960 --> 01:10:27.640Speaker 1 (Community Hall): Thank you, and I would like to know who's paying for the daubers and, the bingo cards today.
568
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Speaker 1 (Community Hall): to understand that, and do we need… I just… I don't feel like we have enough
information on this… on this item right now, between whether or not we need to be waiving the use of the room,
56901:10:43.500 --> 01:10:49.930Speaker 1 (Community Hall): And, you know, how much is being charged for players there.
570
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Speaker 1 (Community Hall): To… to even know if,
57101:10:53.060 --> 01:11:17.840Speaker 1 (Community Hall): having a $50 fee is… does that actually make sense? I know that the soccer leagues wanted to get in on bingo after seeing Santa Clara Sporting League was doing this, so I would be
reluctant if there is some… an organization that is trying to do that and truly make… make some profit there,
to reduce the fee, because we don't really know what the landscape is. I see, Councilmember
57201:11:18.250 --> 01:11:20.300Speaker 1 (Community Hall): Wong, you've had your hand raised?
573
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R "Ray" Wang, Councilmember: I have, thank you, Mayor. I just wanted to make sure that we applied… I
had a few questions, and these were general policy questions, to make sure that the process we approached was fair and equitable. I just want to know that, have we applied the same cost increases and
57401:11:37.700 --> 01:11:53.240R "Ray" Wang, Councilmember: recovery methods to every area, not just bingo. Bingo is a very small part. So that's the first question. So, Director Asco, is that… is that what we've done? This is an even approach,
isn't it? We've singled out a single area, we've applied the same kind of approach, the same methodology to
these fee increases?
57501:11:54.320 --> 01:11:58.010Speaker 8 (Community Hall): The short answer is yes. Across the board, the long…
57601:11:58.260 --> 01:12:08.589
Speaker 8 (Community Hall): response would be there's a handful of, fees that were identified by Council a
couple years ago that they would prefer to keep them be… or…
57701:12:08.850 --> 01:12:12.199Speaker 8 (Community Hall): Preferred to subsidize those fees due to the nature of the fee.
57801:12:12.480 --> 01:12:14.929
R "Ray" Wang, Councilmember: Was bingo one of those fees we subsidized?
57901:12:15.270 --> 01:12:15.770Speaker 8 (Community Hall): No.
58001:12:15.890 --> 01:12:33.390R "Ray" Wang, Councilmember: Okay, just wanted to be clear. All right, and we're spending a lot of time on
the bingo issue, and there are bigger issues here. I want to ask a question about, what are we doing about
the resident, non-resident fees and structures? Have we actually created a good separation on the non-
resident fees versus the resident fees?
58101:12:34.040 --> 01:12:47.640Speaker 8 (Community Hall): Those fees aren't… the separation of those types of fees are not applicable to these, four, schedules. Those… the ones that you're referencing is more along Schedule, E, which is your Parks and Rec fees.
582
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Speaker 8 (Community Hall): And that's gonna be, I believe at a later date with a, like, council, city manager answer that one.
583
01:12:56.180 --> 01:13:01.440Speaker 3 (Community Hall): Thanks, Jonathan. Councilmember Wong, there's an info memo coming, forthcoming.
584
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Speaker 3 (Community Hall): Next week, that outlines, you know, what we're thinking in terms of the
resident, non-resident, and how we're structuring the park fees.
58501:13:10.300 --> 01:13:29.510R "Ray" Wang, Councilmember: Sounds good, I'll wait for that memo. Have other cities put resident and non-resident fees in place for some of the fees that we're talking about here? So, for example, since we're going to spend all that time on the bingo issue, since a resident wrote in on this, I want to make sure, like,
do we separate resident and non-resident fees once we do that? If they do something with the bingo center?
58601:13:30.870 --> 01:13:40.329Speaker 8 (Community Hall): no, you wouldn't see… at least I have not seen this with any other agency, and nor was it brought up during the fee study.
58701:13:40.910 --> 01:13:43.850
R "Ray" Wang, Councilmember: Okay, just making sure. Thank you very much, appreciate your time.
58801:13:45.790 --> 01:14:02.909Speaker 3 (Community Hall): Great. City Manager? Mayor, just wanted to clarify, I was trying to get information on Bingo, if you need anything else, is the Senior Advisory Council is currently paying for everything. The only thing that the city's covering at the moment is the facility fee waiver.
589
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Speaker 1 (Community Hall): Okay, so would it be possible that we could have
59001:14:07.090 --> 01:14:12.400Speaker 1 (Community Hall): some… an informational memo regarding this, and do I need to have a second for…
591
01:14:12.660 --> 01:14:23.890
Speaker 1 (Community Hall): That request, okay. Yeah, I think that would be very helpful to get an update.
The last staff report, I think, might have been 2019, that went into this a little bit.
59201:14:24.260 --> 01:14:30.099Speaker 1 (Community Hall): Okay. Madam City, Vice Mayor? Yeah. Actually, no.
593
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Speaker 7 (Community Hall): So, actually, I would like to request an info memo.
59401:14:36.200 --> 01:14:37.650Speaker 7 (Community Hall): Maybe…
59501:14:37.710 --> 01:14:55.349Speaker 7 (Community Hall): eventually be posted on the finance department site with… because every time this comes across, I try to look in the 2023-24 agenda, and what exactly was decided. So, the fee recovery policy, and exactly
596
01:14:55.380 --> 01:15:02.510Speaker 7 (Community Hall): What do we decide to waive or not waive, if that can be summarized, so we have an easier place to look.
59701:15:02.630 --> 01:15:05.170Speaker 7 (Community Hall): For that information, that would be great.
598
01:15:05.175 --> 01:15:10.124Speaker 8 (Community Hall): That on our website, as well as identifying those handful of fees that were,
59901:15:10.305 --> 01:15:15.005Speaker 8 (Community Hall): that are being subsidized, per council direction. Thank you.
600
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Speaker 1 (Community Hall): I have a quick question regarding, the flea market that's at De Anza College. Do they pay any kind of a fee for that? And are we receiving, it's kind of a side issue, are we receiving any,
60101:15:29.390 --> 01:15:31.319Speaker 1 (Community Hall): A sales tax from that.
602
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Speaker 8 (Community Hall): it would ultimately… as part of sales tax, it would land on the retailer or the seller to report that accurately, and so we don't necessarily have the ability to audit that. We could ask HDL, our consultant, to look into that, but…
60301:15:50.540 --> 01:15:54.030Speaker 8 (Community Hall): Judging by the amount of,
604
01:15:54.050 --> 01:16:13.709Speaker 8 (Community Hall): taxes that would be generated, it would be a little difficult for them to kind of pin it, pin that dollar amount. As far as what we're collecting, I do see, as far as kind of getting back to the farmer's market cost, it does not look like that, the farmer's market was adjusted for cost recovery. It was, I believe, without, outside of the scope of make…
605
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Speaker 8 (Community Hall): Matrix's, review of our study, or for this particular one, it looks like it's just
been increasing per CPI.
60601:16:26.440 --> 01:16:30.510
Speaker 8 (Community Hall): Which is… that's why it's at $3 or $4 today.
607
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Speaker 1 (Community Hall): If I could quickly call… Councilmember Mohan, please.
60801:16:33.605 --> 01:16:34.185Speaker 11 (Community Hall): Thank you.
609
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Speaker 11 (Community Hall): So my question still would be, who, who collects these $3?
61001:16:41.050 --> 01:16:42.510Speaker 11 (Community Hall): And 38 cents.
611
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Speaker 11 (Community Hall): How we… how does this… What's the process?
61201:16:46.395 --> 01:16:51.614Speaker 8 (Community Hall): would actually have to come to the city and pay for that permit. We don't have too many of those at…
613
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Speaker 8 (Community Hall): at this time, I think originally there were some discussions about,
61401:16:56.295 --> 01:17:00.485Speaker 8 (Community Hall): It being part of, maybe having it here along,
61501:17:01.215 --> 01:17:10.194
Speaker 8 (Community Hall): Right. And I think that was the intention, but seeing that that's not there, we
haven't really seen this fee, too much activity with this fee.
61601:17:10.530 --> 01:17:13.570Speaker 11 (Community Hall): Okay, so there's no one coming forward to pay this.
61701:17:13.570 --> 01:17:14.110
Speaker 6 (Community Hall): No.
61801:17:14.310 --> 01:17:18.319Speaker 8 (Community Hall): And for that reason, I think it fell outside of Matrix's scope.
61901:17:19.510 --> 01:17:20.340Speaker 11 (Community Hall): Thank you.
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Speaker 1 (Community Hall): Okay, Vice Mayor, your hand's still raised? Okay, you're set there?
62101:17:28.310 --> 01:17:30.170Speaker 1 (Community Hall): Okay,
622
01:17:31.220 --> 01:17:35.839Speaker 1 (Community Hall): Madam City Clerk, do we have members of the public who would like to speak to this item?
62301:17:37.660 --> 01:17:39.610Speaker 2 (Community Hall): Yes, Mayor, we have…
624
01:17:40.360 --> 01:17:45.760Speaker 2 (Community Hall): Two requests to speak in person here at Community Hall, and I'm currently seeing one hand raised virtually.
62501:17:46.070 --> 01:17:47.430Speaker 2 (Community Hall): Alright, thank you.
626
01:17:48.500 --> 01:17:52.850Speaker 2 (Community Hall): So at this time, we will welcome Jean Bedoured, followed by Heather Dean.
62701:17:53.370 --> 01:18:06.109Speaker 2 (Community Hall): And as a reminder to members of the public wishing to speak regarding this item shall submit a request to speak or raise their hand virtually within 9 minutes of the start of public
comment, or before public comment period is closed, whichever comes first.
62801:18:06.320 --> 01:18:07.840Speaker 2 (Community Hall): So, welcome, Jean.
62901:18:10.570 --> 01:18:11.580Speaker 2 (Community Hall): They're speakers.
630
01:18:13.890 --> 01:18:16.079Speaker 2 (Community Hall): Sure. Welcome, Heather.
63101:18:22.520 --> 01:18:24.589Speaker 2 (Community Hall): Good evening, Council.
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Speaker 4 (Community Hall): My name is Heather Dean, is this okay? I have been a resident of Cupertino
63301:18:31.460 --> 01:18:35.729
Speaker 4 (Community Hall): Hard to believe, for 50 years. I call it my.
634
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Speaker 12 (Community Hall): little bit of heaven, and when I say that out loud to people, they look at me like I'm crazy. But I'm here in the capacity tonight to ask you to please lower the fee for bingo. I'm a caller at Bingo at the Senior Center.
63501:18:52.155 --> 01:18:59.525
Speaker 12 (Community Hall): And it's great fun, for our residents, our senior residents,
636
01:19:00.305 --> 01:19:11.894Speaker 12 (Community Hall): they get very disappointed when it has to cancel, because the facility is used for another, another event, or the senior center is closed. They just…
63701:19:12.125 --> 01:19:16.755
Speaker 12 (Community Hall): throw a hissy pitch. I think the…
638
01:19:17.065 --> 01:19:24.324Speaker 12 (Community Hall): The reason they enjoy it so much is perhaps they live alone, and they don't get out a lot, so when they get out.
63901:19:24.355 --> 01:19:38.624
Speaker 12 (Community Hall): They're among what becomes their friends, sitting around, playing bingo
together, talking together, visiting together. We take a break at bingo, they have coffee together, so it's a
social function.
64001:19:39.005 --> 01:19:54.354Speaker 12 (Community Hall): And a lot of times, you think playing bingo is just putting beans on a card, and if you get a straight line, you get a bingo. But we have different patterns that we play, so I like to think
641
01:19:54.355 --> 01:20:00.364
Speaker 12 (Community Hall): That their minds are working hard, because they're keeping up with what is
going on.
64201:20:00.365 --> 01:20:08.795Speaker 12 (Community Hall): So… And it's fun. So you're having fun, but you're thinking, and you're, communicating with people.
643
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Speaker 12 (Community Hall): So I would ask you, please, to consider reducing the amount that the Senior Advisory Council pays, and we pay for the paper, and we pay for the dabbers. What people pay for when they come to play bingo is the paper, and the paper allows them to
64401:20:28.035 --> 01:20:37.505Speaker 12 (Community Hall): dab their numbers in, and get bingo. They don't, as it were, pay for, entering,
entering the hall.
64501:20:37.715 --> 01:20:42.264Speaker 12 (Community Hall): So, I would like you to consider, please, reducing the amount,
646
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Speaker 12 (Community Hall): And letting our good seniors have a good time.
64701:20:45.735 --> 01:21:02.815Speaker 12 (Community Hall): A lot of time, we have, in fact, we have, do I have time? A group of, pioneering Monta Vista seniors, students, ex-students, that come and play bingo. And a lot of times, they bring their parents, so… generational. It's… and…
648
01:21:03.265 --> 01:21:08.835
Speaker 12 (Community Hall): It's a lot of fun. If you don't have something to do one day, you should come on a Friday.
64901:21:08.975 --> 01:21:10.455Speaker 12 (Community Hall): And play a game.
650
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Speaker 12 (Community Hall): Thank you for your time.
65101:21:12.465 --> 01:21:14.985Speaker 12 (Community Hall): and consideration. Bye-bye.
652
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Speaker 2 (Community Hall): Thank you, Heather. Next, we will welcome Jean Bedor.
65301:21:24.280 --> 01:21:25.420Speaker 6 (Community Hall): Good evening!
654
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Speaker 6 (Community Hall): My name is Jean Bedoured, and I am a Cupertino resident. It's awfully hard to
follow that testimonial by Heather. She's a great bingo caller, and certainly bingo is much more complex than
I ever thought it would be.
65501:21:39.910 --> 01:21:53.070Speaker 6 (Community Hall): Anyway, on behalf of the Senior Center Advisory Council, I am speaking tonight to request a reduction of the fee to $50 from the proposed $268.22.
656
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Speaker 6 (Community Hall): I already sent an email citing fees from comparable cities, and citing the factors for setting service fees, highlighting accommodation for targets of the service.
657
01:22:06.620 --> 01:22:08.880
Speaker 6 (Community Hall): Such as senior residents.
65801:22:09.790 --> 01:22:17.399Speaker 6 (Community Hall): In addition, one of the factors in setting fees is consistency with city public
policies and objectives.
65901:22:17.890 --> 01:22:21.830Speaker 6 (Community Hall): The city has an objective of services to seniors.
66001:22:22.260 --> 01:22:33.599Speaker 6 (Community Hall): Bingo is a program which reaches seniors with diminished physical and mental
capabilities who can't participate, by and large, in other senior center activities.
66101:22:34.380 --> 01:22:39.880Speaker 6 (Community Hall): For a number of participants, this may be the only time they leave their homes.
66201:22:40.890 --> 01:22:47.849Speaker 6 (Community Hall): Bingo is their incentive to interact with other seniors and the center volunteers,
and they do have fun.
66301:22:48.840 --> 01:22:58.809Speaker 6 (Community Hall): The program operates for roughly 3 hours on Friday, somewhere between 40 to 45 times in a calendar year.
66401:22:59.090 --> 01:23:04.010
Speaker 6 (Community Hall): It's run by volunteers, such as Heather, not city staff.
66501:23:05.050 --> 01:23:10.640Speaker 6 (Community Hall): This is essentially a tax on the volunteers, and it keeps increasing every year.
66601:23:10.980 --> 01:23:18.689Speaker 6 (Community Hall): I urge the Council to reduce the fee to a nominal fee of $50. Thank you for the
opportunity to speak.
66701:23:20.660 --> 01:23:21.630Speaker 2 (Community Hall): Thank you, Jean.
66801:23:21.920 --> 01:23:26.410Speaker 2 (Community Hall): Next, we'll move to the request to speak virtually, so at this time, we will
welcome San Rao.
66901:23:28.380 --> 01:23:29.510Speaker 2 (Community Hall): Welcome, San.
670
01:23:30.800 --> 01:23:46.119San Rao: Good evening, Mayor Moore, Vice Net Chauer, Councilmember, speaking on behalf of myself only as a Cupertino resident. We have had multiple years of double-digit fee increases ever since this cost recovery policy was passed by the last council.
671
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San Rao: And it is astonishing that we spent this much time talking about bingo.
67201:23:52.720 --> 01:23:58.529San Rao: This is a case study in how a council majors in minor things, and minors in major things.
673
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San Rao: I am all for no-fee hikes on seniors.
67401:24:02.550 --> 01:24:11.230San Rao: And I'm okay with the bingo fee reduction, but I actually would go even further and reject this item entirely.
675
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San Rao: We have had 3 years of double-digit fee increases. This is not sustainable. Furthermore, The
presentation is evasive.
67601:24:21.010 --> 01:24:36.550San Rao: Just purely based on the presentation that does not put out absolute numbers for percentages of fee hikes, this item should be sent back, and staff should be directed to come back with transparent, honest, frank, upright.
677
01:24:37.070 --> 01:24:49.399San Rao: reporting of absolute percentages of hikes. I have never seen a report that shows fee hikes in the format that is in the presentation that shows a number plus
67801:24:49.480 --> 01:25:00.250San Rao: CPI plus labor. What is labor? What is CPI? This is just unsustainable, and I want to remind you,
you're protesting with the county against cost allocation imposed on you.
67901:25:00.280 --> 01:25:11.920San Rao: While you continue to impose multiple years of double-digit cost allocations on us, residents already fund the city payroll through our property taxes and sales tax.
68001:25:12.060 --> 01:25:22.029
San Rao: When you come back to Residence a second time to try and get another round of fees out of us
based on cost allocation, that is double-dipping.
68101:25:22.210 --> 01:25:24.650San Rao: You are welcome to charge non-residents.
68201:25:24.890 --> 01:25:39.989San Rao: While we talked about the Senior Center and Bingo, there has been no talk about what percentage of senior center membership are non-residents. Non-residents do not fund the city with either sales tax or property tax. Sales tax is negligible.
683
01:25:40.120 --> 01:25:42.969San Rao: And so I'm urging you, firstly, to reject
68401:25:43.110 --> 01:25:51.769San Rao: The fee hikes across the board to send this item back, to come back with absolute percentages, rather than what is in the presentation.
685
01:25:51.770 --> 01:26:03.740San Rao: and to focus all fee hikes on non-residents only. I'm continuing to see in the appendices that are red line appendices across the different departments, we are continuing to have
68601:26:03.850 --> 01:26:05.740San Rao: High single-digit fee hikes.
687
01:26:05.850 --> 01:26:23.420San Rao: We are continuing to have fee hikes that year over year, continue to now go into the double digit. We cannot have this anymore. What you need to do is cut costs. You just spent $650,000 or $590,000 on charges that you didn't need, and now you come back with fee hikes again.
68801:26:23.520 --> 01:26:37.910
San Rao: And don't tell us that planning and building can afford to make those charges, because those
people living in homes shouldn't be doing a remodel. Many a time, it's homes that are 50 years old, a
remodel is basic maintenance, and oftentimes those are seniors as well.
68901:26:37.910 --> 01:26:39.210Speaker 2 (Community Hall): Sam, that is your time?
690
01:26:39.750 --> 01:26:42.120
Speaker 2 (Community Hall): Mayor, that concludes the request to speak on this item.
69101:26:44.230 --> 01:26:50.010Speaker 1 (Community Hall): Thank you. For purposes of deliberation, do we have a motion and a second on this item?
692
01:26:51.750 --> 01:26:55.639
Speaker 7 (Community Hall): I will motion the staff recommendation.
69301:26:55.770 --> 01:26:57.359Speaker 7 (Community Hall): Alright, do we have a second?
69401:26:58.360 --> 01:26:59.200Speaker 1 (Community Hall): Ugh.
695
01:27:02.150 --> 01:27:09.599
Speaker 11 (Community Hall): Am I out? I'll second it, with the caveat that the bingo fee We'll come back.
69601:27:11.160 --> 01:27:13.859Speaker 11 (Community Hall): Are we doing another report?
697
01:27:13.865 --> 01:27:19.125
Speaker 1 (Community Hall): But that's different than the recommended action, which was the main motion.
69801:27:19.125 --> 01:27:22.884Speaker 11 (Community Hall): All right, all right, for now, I'll go with this. I'll second the main motion. Okay, for.
699
01:27:22.885 --> 01:27:25.504
Speaker 1 (Community Hall): purposes of deliberation.
70001:27:25.775 --> 01:27:45.344Speaker 1 (Community Hall): So, I just want to mention, with regards to the resident and non-resident issue with bingo, that bingo needs to be open for all, and I don't believe that they can, discriminate by charging an extra fee to somebody if they're a non-resident,
701
01:27:45.345 --> 01:27:48.855
Speaker 1 (Community Hall): According to our municipal code regarding this.
70201:27:48.855 --> 01:27:55.154Speaker 1 (Community Hall): Okay, all right, thank you. Do we have any further questions? Vice Mayor, I see your hands raised.
703
01:27:55.465 --> 01:27:56.834
Speaker 1 (Community Hall): Yeah.
70401:27:57.820 --> 01:28:14.669Speaker 7 (Community Hall): So, I see that, most of the increase is… of fees is about, like, 2 point something percent, 3 point something, but there are some almost 5% increase. So are these all CPIs?
705
01:28:16.230 --> 01:28:19.400
Speaker 7 (Community Hall): Why is there a difference? CPI was.
70601:28:19.400 --> 01:28:39.230Speaker 8 (Community Hall): 2.5%. CCI, which is construction cost index, it's actually decreased by 0.12%.
And labor costs, which, as stated in the staff report, is just the cost of labor, or staff time, or staff year over
year, so which includes salaries and benefits.
70701:28:39.430 --> 01:28:43.960Speaker 8 (Community Hall): Including our unacrued… our un… Alright.
708
01:28:44.060 --> 01:28:44.860Speaker 8 (Community Hall): Sorry.
70901:28:45.450 --> 01:28:54.240Speaker 8 (Community Hall): unfunded accrued liability, which is the… what we pay… what the city pays for pension costs. So that's largely what drives that 3.8%.
710
01:28:54.245 --> 01:28:56.935Speaker 7 (Community Hall): What's the percentage increase for labor?
71101:28:57.155 --> 01:28:59.265Speaker 7 (Community Hall): Labor's 3.8%.
712
01:28:59.545 --> 01:29:07.015
Speaker 7 (Community Hall): So, if an item has higher items, means it needs more manual city staff time to process?
71301:29:07.020 --> 01:29:19.619Speaker 8 (Community Hall): So there's a handful of ones, of fees that were adjusted. For instance, there was a handful of building fees that were, see, much higher, which is somewhere around 20-30% increase.
714
01:29:19.625 --> 01:29:30.865Speaker 7 (Community Hall): Sir, I see 37% for plancheck fee, up to 51%, 28% and 29% for inspection fees. Correct.
71501:29:30.865 --> 01:29:50.284Speaker 8 (Community Hall): were, deliberate. So, when we went to full-cost, recovery, as of starting last
year, these fees were identified as too high to increase in one single year, so there was a phased-in
approach, a three-year phase-in approach. So, with this, this proposed, schedule.
71601:29:50.285 --> 01:29:52.894Speaker 8 (Community Hall): This would be the last of the three increases.
71701:29:52.895 --> 01:29:59.725
Speaker 8 (Community Hall): So, beginning the following year, fiscal year 27-28, it would just follow the
labor cost, or CPI.
71801:29:59.835 --> 01:30:06.124Speaker 8 (Community Hall): Now, there's also another, handful of other fees, like, those relating to the,
71901:30:06.355 --> 01:30:13.745Speaker 8 (Community Hall): The massage, parlors, and reviewing the, the, the permits, and doing the, the,
720
01:30:13.865 --> 01:30:26.475
Speaker 8 (Community Hall): site visits, so those were readjusted for actuals, the time it takes staff to go out
to these various locations. So that's one of the reasons that one increased by more than just CPI.
72101:30:28.410 --> 01:30:36.260Speaker 7 (Community Hall): The plan check and inspection is under building fee. According to the fee policy, we are doing
722
01:30:36.410 --> 01:30:51.479
Speaker 7 (Community Hall): currently 80% to 100% recovery. So, what did… what did… I think the infomain model that if we can have… if we can have before and after, so what was our cost recovery before?
72301:30:51.780 --> 01:30:57.190Speaker 7 (Community Hall): And so you are saying this 37% is because we…
724
01:30:57.370 --> 01:31:04.530
Speaker 7 (Community Hall): Increased from whatever percentage before, but we are stepping it up every year.
72501:31:04.950 --> 01:31:08.530Speaker 7 (Community Hall): Yes. So it was much, much lower than…
726
01:31:08.535 --> 01:31:14.695
Speaker 8 (Community Hall): substantially, if I remember correctly, somewhere around the 20-30% is what the city was recovering at that time.
72701:31:14.695 --> 01:31:16.035Speaker 7 (Community Hall): For the building fee.
728
01:31:16.035 --> 01:31:30.134
Speaker 8 (Community Hall): Yeah, so that one was much lower, and for that reason, because it was such a large fee, it was unreasonable to increase it from… in one single year, and Council decided to pursue that one as a phased approach.
72901:31:30.275 --> 01:31:45.564Speaker 7 (Community Hall): Yeah, if we can have before and after fee recovery percentage, that would be
very helpful. And for bingo fee, I see it's under Schedule A for general. The current fee policy says 100%
recovery.
73001:31:45.565 --> 01:31:50.835Speaker 7 (Community Hall): So, it… do you know how much was it before? So, I…
73101:31:50.840 --> 01:32:03.980Speaker 8 (Community Hall): just looked at our past fees. That particular fee, even though we had thrown around $50, it was at never $50. In fiscal year, when it was first proposed.
732
01:32:04.320 --> 01:32:13.719
Speaker 8 (Community Hall): In fiscal year 2016-17, which is the first year the fee went into effect, it was $157.
73301:32:13.960 --> 01:32:16.149Speaker 8 (Community Hall): So, this is 10 years ago.
734
01:32:16.610 --> 01:32:23.170
Speaker 8 (Community Hall): It was 157, so over the course of 10 years, it's increased to… Nearly twice as much.
73501:32:23.410 --> 01:32:25.480Speaker 7 (Community Hall): he wasn't 50? No.
736
01:32:25.720 --> 01:32:28.549
Speaker 8 (Community Hall): There may have been discussions had in the past.
73701:32:28.990 --> 01:32:38.260Speaker 8 (Community Hall): in surrounding cities do have it at $50, and they subsidize that fee. So, what's being proposed today is the full cost.
738
01:32:38.440 --> 01:32:42.119
Speaker 8 (Community Hall): It takes the city to administer that fee, or process it.
73901:32:42.275 --> 01:32:49.525Speaker 7 (Community Hall): Okay, so thank you so much for the information. I think, this is my comment. I think for bingo fee.
740
01:32:49.575 --> 01:33:03.355
Speaker 7 (Community Hall): It makes sense to be 100% recovery, because any commercial operator could be running a big goal for a profit. However, if we want to make an exception to
74101:33:03.665 --> 01:33:06.295Speaker 7 (Community Hall): Donate, or waive.
742
01:33:06.595 --> 01:33:11.744
Speaker 7 (Community Hall): things for senior centers specifically, that shouldn't be addressed.
74301:33:11.745 --> 01:33:29.925
Speaker 7 (Community Hall): at the fee schedule level. That should be addressed if there is a need. If the
senior operating council can show us, financially they cannot sustain with this kind of fee, then maybe the city can consider, when we adopt budget, to have some kind of,
744
01:33:31.155 --> 01:33:36.045
Speaker 7 (Community Hall): compensation for that, but it's… I think it's a… it should be a separate
discussion.
74501:33:36.265 --> 01:33:37.165Speaker 7 (Community Hall): Thank you.
746
01:33:39.180 --> 01:33:47.320
Speaker 1 (Community Hall): I do have a question for the city manager, perhaps the city attorney, with
regards to that, bingo fee,
74701:33:47.810 --> 01:34:07.030Speaker 1 (Community Hall): Well, first, the… it seemed like city staff, used to be helping, do the setup and breakdown. I don't know if they were doing calling, but it was done a little differently, in previous years, so that has fully moved on to the Senior Coordinating Council, I believe. And…
748
01:34:07.070 --> 01:34:13.310
Speaker 1 (Community Hall): And then we were purchasing the… the cards and the dabbers.
74901:34:13.610 --> 01:34:29.780Speaker 1 (Community Hall): before, so that was maybe, I don't know, $1,600, and I don't know how long it would last. So now, all of that cost has moved to the Senior Coordinating Council. All right, and would you happen to know if there… are the…
750
01:34:29.780 --> 01:34:41.949Speaker 1 (Community Hall): having a surplus of funds during these, bingo events where people are going home with prizes, because they're paying so much. Like, looking at Santa Clara Sporting, they've got
75101:34:42.240 --> 01:34:55.850Speaker 1 (Community Hall): you know, hundreds of dollars worth of prizes, and they're running it, Friday
night, Saturday, and Sunday. It's a huge event. Would you have any of that information?
75201:34:55.855 --> 01:35:02.595Speaker 3 (Community Hall): I don't have it offhand, but I know that they provide the annual report to the clerk's office every year.
75301:35:02.595 --> 01:35:07.855
Speaker 1 (Community Hall): doing that? They are doing that. Okay, and that takes a little bit of time to look
over, I would assume.
75401:35:07.855 --> 01:35:11.615Speaker 3 (Community Hall): Yes, but we have the information from the two organizations, but,
75501:35:11.615 --> 01:35:20.284Speaker 1 (Community Hall): Okay, so we could receive that, in informational memo with regards to that. I kind of like the idea that,
756
01:35:20.505 --> 01:35:35.205
Speaker 1 (Community Hall): kind of depending on what turns up in the informational memo, that we could, at a later date, consider, like, a consent item as a waiver to the bingo fee for organizations that we,
75701:35:35.205 --> 01:35:41.604Speaker 1 (Community Hall): believe are deserving of that, and kind of depending on what we see in the informational memo, we…
758
01:35:41.605 --> 01:35:43.144Speaker 1 (Community Hall): Could do it that way.
75901:35:43.150 --> 01:36:01.089Speaker 3 (Community Hall): Yeah, I think that makes sense. We will issue the info memo, Council can take a look at that, and you know, based on what you're saying, between the two organizations, or both,
however the information looks, if there's interest that Council would like to waive the fee based on what
you're seeing, then we can add that on consent for Council to agree to.
76001:36:01.095 --> 01:36:16.155Speaker 1 (Community Hall): Okay, and I think that kind of would address the… the issue if there is someone potentially going to be running bingo for… for lots of profit, like the Santa Clara Sporting is doing. I think that works, perhaps. Councilmember Fruen.
761
01:36:18.240 --> 01:36:36.639
Speaker 10 (Community Hall): Yeah, we've had previous requests from folks who do run Bingo in the city
with respect to what the total prize payout is, and I think that we're currently capped at something like $250, so it's just not the same as a lot of other places. It would be useful to have some information on that.
76201:36:36.750 --> 01:36:40.669Speaker 10 (Community Hall): When we do bring the item back, I really like the idea of a waiver program.
763
01:36:40.780 --> 01:36:53.589
Speaker 10 (Community Hall): That way we can differentiate in a meaningful way, and then I'll have some separate questions for both the city attorney and the city manager with respect to the way that different churches are treated with respect to this,
76401:36:53.700 --> 01:36:56.150
Speaker 10 (Community Hall): the current bingo permit.
765
01:36:56.960 --> 01:36:58.490Speaker 10 (Community Hall): Oh, I won't address that here, though.
766
01:37:02.080 --> 01:37:18.989Speaker 1 (Community Hall): So, going back to the Santa Clara Sporting, if anyone is interested in getting a bingo permit, you need to check out their operation, and it helps subsidize the soccer program there, and the parents all volunteer to… to help.
767
01:37:18.990 --> 01:37:22.319
Speaker 1 (Community Hall): But, like I said, it's a multi-million dollar operation.
76801:37:23.180 --> 01:37:27.849Speaker 1 (Community Hall): I'm not seeing any further hands raised. I believe, Madam City Clerk, will you…
769
01:37:28.060 --> 01:37:31.020
Speaker 1 (Community Hall): Please conduct a roll call vote.
77001:37:33.300 --> 01:37:40.199Speaker 11 (Community Hall): Can I make one comment? Please. We did talk briefly about the farmer's market and the flea market.
771
01:37:40.580 --> 01:37:49.190
Speaker 11 (Community Hall): Does it make sense to charge the farmer's market $3 if we're not really
collecting it? Or we don't know if we're collecting it?
77201:37:49.740 --> 01:37:52.099Speaker 11 (Community Hall): And we don't seem to have a process to collect it.
773
01:37:52.830 --> 01:37:54.790
Speaker 8 (Community Hall): There is a process in collection.
77401:37:54.790 --> 01:37:59.080Speaker 11 (Community Hall): Which they have… they have to come up to City Hall and pay you $3, right? Correct.
775
01:37:59.270 --> 01:38:09.420
Speaker 8 (Community Hall): We can include as far as the actual activity with the follow-up memo, and so
you can make a decision, maybe in the subsequent year, whether you want to continue that fee.
77601:38:11.010 --> 01:38:14.389Speaker 11 (Community Hall): Okay, and similarly with the flea market.
777
01:38:16.990 --> 01:38:17.830
Speaker 1 (Community Hall): Okay, okay.
77801:38:18.030 --> 01:38:23.080Speaker 1 (Community Hall): Thank you. Yeah, it probably takes more, staff time to process the $3.
77901:38:23.460 --> 01:38:24.840Speaker 1 (Community Hall): Then that's worth.
780
01:38:25.400 --> 01:38:27.109
Speaker 1 (Community Hall): Okay, so…
78101:38:27.110 --> 01:38:27.980R "Ray" Wang, Councilmember: Quick question?
782
01:38:27.980 --> 01:38:30.090
Speaker 1 (Community Hall): Yes, please, Councilmember Wang.
78301:38:30.090 --> 01:38:38.860R "Ray" Wang, Councilmember: I'm just curious, can we, can we ask for ex parte communications on the, for either from St. Joe's or the Senior Center on this issue, on the, Senior Center bingo fee item?
784
01:38:40.420 --> 01:38:40.970
Speaker 1 (Community Hall): Mmm.
78501:38:41.610 --> 01:38:43.630Speaker 1 (Community Hall): Madam City Attorney, is that…
78601:38:43.860 --> 01:38:46.190
Speaker 1 (Community Hall): ordinary for this item, it… it…
787
01:38:47.530 --> 01:38:52.599R "Ray" Wang, Councilmember: I'm curious to see the ex parte communications on this, so I want to know who's lobbying for this, so…
78801:38:52.600 --> 01:38:58.580
Speaker 1 (Community Hall): I don't think that that would be, required or ordinary, but it certainly is not
disallowed.
78901:38:58.860 --> 01:39:03.350Speaker 1 (Community Hall): Okay, so it's under a public hearing,
79001:39:03.910 --> 01:39:13.220
Speaker 1 (Community Hall): It's a little unusual. Ordinarily, we do that for development proposals. Correct.
Well, if anyone would,
79101:39:13.390 --> 01:39:17.150Speaker 1 (Community Hall): Wants to comment on that, please do.
792
01:39:18.340 --> 01:39:21.579Speaker 1 (Community Hall): I'm not seeing any hands raised. Madam City Clerk.
793
01:39:23.260 --> 01:39:36.989
R "Ray" Wang, Councilmember: I have not had any ex parte communications with anyone here, I just
wanted to declare that, since no one else is going to go on this. I've not talked to anyone, either St. Joe's or
the Senior Center, about the bingo, nor have I talked to, you know, Jean Bedard, who wrote the letter, so I just want to be clear there. Anyone else?
79401:39:37.410 --> 01:39:55.590Speaker 1 (Community Hall): All right, thank you, Councilmember Wong. I started researching the bingo maybe back in 2019, seeing that there was, it falls under state gambling law, but I have not spoken to the
senior center or the senior, Coordinating Council about it.
79501:39:55.830 --> 01:39:57.900Speaker 1 (Community Hall): And, Vice Mayor.
79601:39:58.715 --> 01:40:12.414Speaker 7 (Community Hall): Oh, I have not spoken to anyone, but I'm curious, why is the farmer's market
permit fee so low? What does it really cover? I can get the information later, I'm just very curious.
79701:40:14.300 --> 01:40:18.299Speaker 1 (Community Hall): All set. All right, Madam City Clerk, will you please conduct the roll call vote?
79801:40:18.580 --> 01:40:19.500Speaker 1 (Community Hall): Councilmember France?
799
01:40:20.050 --> 01:40:20.630Speaker 2 (Community Hall): Aye.
80001:40:20.840 --> 01:40:24.150Speaker 2 (Community Hall): Councilmember Rohan? Aye. Councilmember Wong?
801
01:40:24.150 --> 01:40:24.720
R "Ray" Wang, Councilmember: Aye.
80201:40:25.700 --> 01:40:26.720Speaker 2 (Community Hall): Vice Mayor Cho?
803
01:40:26.910 --> 01:40:31.900
Speaker 2 (Community Hall): Aye. Mayor Moore? Aye. Motion carries unanimously. Thank you, and thank
you.
80401:40:31.905 --> 01:40:36.135
Speaker 1 (Community Hall): Acting Director, Roscoe. So, next we move on to…
805
01:40:36.495 --> 01:40:43.924
Speaker 1 (Community Hall): the action item, action calendar. Why don't we take a 5-minute break here? And so we'll be back at 8.31.
80601:40:44.095 --> 01:40:46.365Speaker 1 (Community Hall): And moving on to the action calendar.
807
01:48:32.180 --> 01:48:34.230
Speaker 1 (Community Hall): Sure, do we have a staff report?
80801:48:34.770 --> 01:48:47.259Speaker 3 (Community Hall): Thank you, Mayor. We do have a staff report, and this item is an update to the Muni Code regarding single-use carryout bags. The proposed updates to the code simply bring the city into
compliance with state law.
809
01:48:47.260 --> 01:48:56.010Speaker 3 (Community Hall): We have Ursula Syrova, our Environmental Program Manager, and she also plans to provide some helpful information on reusable bags.
81001:48:56.050 --> 01:49:06.599
Speaker 3 (Community Hall): And which bag is the best reusable bag? And with that, I'm going to turn it
over to our Public Works team, Director Chad Mosley, and Ursula Sairova, our Environmental Service
Manager.
81101:49:06.910 --> 01:49:13.109Speaker 3 (Community Hall): Great. Good evening, Mayor Moore, Council Members. Video, I do have my PowerPoint.
812
01:49:13.110 --> 01:49:13.929
Speaker 13 (Community Hall): Ready to roll when.
81301:49:13.932 --> 01:49:14.572Community Hall: you are.
814
01:49:16.050 --> 01:49:19.460
Speaker 4 (Community Hall): I'm Ursula Sirova, Environmental Programs and Sustainability Manager.
81501:49:19.465 --> 01:49:27.164Speaker 13 (Community Hall): for the City here tonight to present on amendments to the City's carryout bag ordinance, and my presentation will take about 5 minutes.
816
01:49:28.225 --> 01:49:35.765
Speaker 13 (Community Hall): Tonight's recommended action is to approve the ordinance amendments to
align with state regulations and conduct the first reading.
81701:49:38.065 --> 01:49:46.885Speaker 13 (Community Hall): The City's current municipal code as written allows for carryout plastic bags to be considered reusable bags if they meet certain criteria.
818
01:49:47.105 --> 01:49:50.164Speaker 13 (Community Hall): Primarily being at least a certain thickness.
81901:49:52.105 --> 01:50:10.675Speaker 13 (Community Hall): California bag regulations from 2016 also allowed these thicker plastic bags. The unintended consequence of both state law and local code was that stores switched from the very thin,
band, single-use plastic bags to the thicker ones, meaning an overall increase in the amount of disposable
plastic entering the waste stream.
82001:50:10.935 --> 01:50:19.644Speaker 13 (Community Hall): Senate Bill 1053, now in effect, closes that loophole on the thicker plastic bags and eliminates plastic bags at checkout entirely.
821
01:50:19.815 --> 01:50:28.535
Speaker 13 (Community Hall): The only allowable single-use checkout bags are now paper bags made with
recycled content, and those must be sold for no less than 10 cents each.
82201:50:29.125 --> 01:50:44.205Speaker 13 (Community Hall): We also took this opportunity to update local code to reflect the requirements of State Senate Bill 1046, which requires pre-checkout bags, such as produce bags, to be either recycled paper or compostable, as defined in the public resource code.
823
01:50:45.905 --> 01:51:00.095
Speaker 13 (Community Hall): The stated intentions behind the state regulations include closing that loophole on the proliferation of thicker plastic carryout bags, incentivizing shoppers to bring their own reusable bags when shopping, and reducing plastic pollution.
82401:51:01.465 --> 01:51:08.504
Speaker 13 (Community Hall): As we were preparing for this item, Mayor Moore asked the question, which is
the best type of reusable bag from an environmental perspective?
82501:51:09.235 --> 01:51:18.694Speaker 13 (Community Hall): Given the wide variety of reusable bag types out there and different manufacturing processes and geographic locations where bags might be produced, it is a tricky question.
826
01:51:19.185 --> 01:51:32.055
Speaker 13 (Community Hall): We looked at it from two perspectives. One, are there life cycle analyses out
there that have considered this question? And two, what does CalRecycle say about the materials these bags
are made of and their potential recyclability?
82701:51:32.545 --> 01:51:38.114
Speaker 13 (Community Hall): I included our research findings in Attachment C to the staff report, and we'll run through them quickly here.
828
01:51:39.655 --> 01:51:47.635
Speaker 13 (Community Hall): The most common types of reusable bags can be categorized into plastic-
derived textiles and natural fiber textiles.
82901:51:47.975 --> 01:51:57.644Speaker 13 (Community Hall): The photo on the left shows a typical non-woven polypropylene bag that looks kind of like fabric, another non-woven polypropylene bag that has a shiny coating on one side.
830
01:51:57.875 --> 01:52:06.705
Speaker 13 (Community Hall): The green bag is made of recycled PET from recovered water bottles, and the
gray one on the far right is nylon. On the right are cotton bags.
83101:52:08.355 --> 01:52:14.615Speaker 13 (Community Hall): Lifecycle Analysis, or LCA, is a tool that considers environmental impact from production through disposal.
832
01:52:14.715 --> 01:52:24.155
Speaker 13 (Community Hall): Outcomes from LCAs that I looked at varied widely depending on fuels used to produce the items, and whether they'll be recycled, landfilled, or incinerated at the end of life.
83301:52:24.345 --> 01:52:38.125Speaker 13 (Community Hall): But the broad comparisons between bags hold up. So, from an LCA perspective, the plastic textile bags require fewer uses to reach the low production impact of a thin, single-
use plastic bag. However.
83401:52:38.825 --> 01:52:51.914Speaker 13 (Community Hall): The LCAs I reviewed did not include consideration of microplastics. Microplastics and nanoplastics are a growing concern for ingestion by animals and humans, potentially leading to disruption of bodily systems.
835
01:52:51.925 --> 01:53:02.874
Speaker 13 (Community Hall): Scientists are working to quantify the impact of microplastics on organisms in
a way that can be incorporated into life cycle analyses, but the studies reviewed for this work did not yet
include it.
83601:53:03.215 --> 01:53:11.754Speaker 13 (Community Hall): These pictures show examples of what this plastic degradation looks like on non-woven polypropylene bags happening even as I stage the bags for photos.
837
01:53:13.505 --> 01:53:24.774
Speaker 13 (Community Hall): The, state regulations have determined what is actually and realistically recovered and recycled in California in terms of curbside recycling and the larger recycling markets.
838
01:53:25.105 --> 01:53:33.995Speaker 13 (Community Hall): According to those findings, plastic bags, plastic textiles, and even non-plastic textiles are all considered non-recyclable and non-compostable.
839
01:53:34.375 --> 01:53:42.454
Speaker 13 (Community Hall): But bags can be donated, and if they are not usable, they may be routed with
other waste textiles to be shredded for use in padding or insulation.
84001:53:44.745 --> 01:53:58.325Speaker 13 (Community Hall): So, back to the question of which bag is best, the recommendation shared by studies out of Stanford, Columbia, and York University in Canada is that, quote, the shopping bag that has the least impact on the environment is the bag the consumer already has at home.
841
01:53:58.685 --> 01:54:02.164Speaker 13 (Community Hall): And I would add that it's the one you're willing to use and remember to bring.
84201:54:02.605 --> 01:54:15.884Speaker 13 (Community Hall): That said, if you are buying a new bag, look for a well-made one that's designed for durability. The lightweight, non-woven polypropylene bags, often used as giveaways, are not as
durable as cotton or recycled PET bags.
84301:54:16.145 --> 01:54:21.035Speaker 13 (Community Hall): And when your reusable bag wears out, maybe give it one last use as a garbage bag.
84401:54:22.465 --> 01:54:32.035
Speaker 13 (Community Hall): With that, we come back to the recommended action for tonight's item, which
is to approve our proposed ordinance amendments to align with state regulations and conduct the first
reading.
84501:54:33.930 --> 01:54:45.359Speaker 1 (Community Hall): And that's my last slide. Thank you so much, Manager Syrova. Do we have any questions from the Council at this time? I believe the Vice Mayor?
846
01:54:46.000 --> 01:54:47.580
Speaker 1 (Community Hall): Okay.
84701:54:49.220 --> 01:54:50.510Speaker 1 (Community Hall): So…
848
01:54:51.040 --> 01:54:58.230
Speaker 7 (Community Hall): How… so this, would regulate the retail business, right? How about those food
delivery services?
84901:54:59.080 --> 01:55:02.730
Speaker 13 (Community Hall): Our ordinance does also apply to food service.
850
01:55:03.200 --> 01:55:05.460
Speaker 7 (Community Hall): Who delivered in Coppertino?
85101:55:06.940 --> 01:55:11.200Speaker 13 (Community Hall): for Origin… for restaurants in Cupertino, yeah.
852
01:55:11.200 --> 01:55:15.989
Speaker 7 (Community Hall): But then if you order, I guess, from another city, then it doesn't apply.
85301:55:16.110 --> 01:55:16.800Speaker 7 (Community Hall): Yeah.
854
01:55:17.100 --> 01:55:20.349
Speaker 7 (Community Hall): But then it's a state law, so it should apply.
85501:55:21.350 --> 01:55:24.600Speaker 13 (Community Hall): The state law doesn't cover… Restaurants.
85601:55:26.670 --> 01:55:29.789
Speaker 7 (Community Hall): Oh, it doesn't cover restaurant?
85701:55:29.790 --> 01:55:34.349Speaker 13 (Community Hall): We already covered restaurants under our single-use plastics ordinance from 2022.
85801:55:34.355 --> 01:55:43.815
Speaker 7 (Community Hall): But state law doesn't. Correct. Okay. So where can people report violations if
they… Sydney.
85901:55:44.620 --> 01:55:52.370Speaker 13 (Community Hall): So, there is a 311 for food… foodware concern, that would probably work, but a general 311, there's…
860
01:55:52.590 --> 01:55:53.630
Speaker 13 (Community Hall): So they were put…
86101:55:53.635 --> 01:56:03.084Speaker 7 (Community Hall): to the city. Yeah. Okay. And for the compostable bags, I hear that some of those
862
01:56:03.335 --> 01:56:12.035
Speaker 7 (Community Hall): are not… even on the back, they have labels that it's compostable only at
specific facility, which we may or may not have.
86301:56:12.365 --> 01:56:13.725Speaker 7 (Community Hall): So…
864
01:56:14.530 --> 01:56:25.790
Speaker 13 (Community Hall): I think generally that refers to sending it to an official, commercial-level composting facility, as opposed to your backyard composting bin, for example.
86501:56:26.890 --> 01:56:29.959Speaker 7 (Community Hall): And for our food… for our…
866
01:56:30.290 --> 01:56:35.220
Speaker 7 (Community Hall): On… for… for our ecology collection.
86701:56:35.570 --> 01:56:43.830Speaker 7 (Community Hall): these kind of compostable bags can go in the yard waste with our organics? Yes, at this.
868
01:56:43.835 --> 01:56:51.334
Speaker 13 (Community Hall): time, they do allow the compostable plastic bags for food scraps collection to go into your green carts. Okay, great. Thank you.
86901:56:53.770 --> 01:57:01.479Speaker 1 (Community Hall): Alright, I'm not seeing any further hands raised from members of the Council. Madam City Clerk, do we have any members of the public who would like to comment on this item?
870
01:57:04.820 --> 01:57:05.640Speaker 1 (Community Hall): Joe.
87101:57:08.170 --> 01:57:13.440Speaker 2 (Community Hall): Mayor, I don't have any requests to speak in person, but I do see one request
872
01:57:13.560 --> 01:57:17.690
Speaker 2 (Community Hall): With a hand raised virtually, so at this time, we will welcome San Rao.
87301:57:21.580 --> 01:57:26.400San Rao: Good evening, Councilmembers and, me and more, speaking on behalf of myself and.
874
01:57:26.400 --> 01:57:27.350
Speaker 2 (Community Hall): Sam, are you there?
87501:57:28.440 --> 01:57:30.000San Rao: Yes, can you not hear me?
87601:57:32.380 --> 01:57:34.580Speaker 2 (Community Hall): I can see that you're unmuted.
877
01:57:34.580 --> 01:57:37.860
R "Ray" Wang, Councilmember: I can hear them on Zoom, but you can't hear them in the audience.
87801:57:38.650 --> 01:57:40.609Speaker 2 (Community Hall): Thank you, Councilmember Wong?
879
01:57:41.780 --> 01:57:42.599
San Rao: Can you hear me?
88001:57:43.160 --> 01:57:45.119Speaker 2 (Community Hall): We can hear you now. Thank you.
88101:57:45.120 --> 01:57:50.349
San Rao: Okay, that's… that's strange. Speaking on behalf of myself only, as a resident.
882
01:57:50.530 --> 01:58:01.049San Rao: I, wanna, firstly recognize this is a state law issue, and the options are limited. Having said that, I urge Council to do
88301:58:01.330 --> 01:58:07.899
San Rao: The minimal needed to comply with the state law, and no more, recognizing
884
01:58:07.980 --> 01:58:23.109San Rao: that the real impact of this is on retail businesses. The more punitive and statutory you get with retail businesses, the higher their costs, and their customers will just go to another city that is either doing the minimal needed.
885
01:58:23.230 --> 01:58:38.249
San Rao: or is not doing proactive enforcement. So you really need to understand, Cupertino residents can
just drive one street away, and they'd be in Sunnyvale, Santa Clara, Saratoga, West San Jose, or Los Artos.
They have choices.
88601:58:38.360 --> 01:58:41.059San Rao: And when you impose burdens on residents.
887
01:58:41.360 --> 01:58:58.320
San Rao: that do not make it feasible to actually conduct their day-to-day life, they will just step one straight
away and do business, and you lose the sales tax that you were hoping to get at a local retail. So… so let's just do what is needed to comply with the state law, but not bring in our…
888
01:58:58.430 --> 01:59:06.619
San Rao: personal, sort of, agendas into this, and keep the broader picture in mind, which is encourage the right behaviors.
889
01:59:06.760 --> 01:59:12.619
San Rao: by encouraging retail to do the right things. There are many things that you could do. For example.
89001:59:12.950 --> 01:59:17.960San Rao: Economic development could encourage loyal rewards for bringing your own bag.
89101:59:18.540 --> 01:59:30.170
San Rao: retail could be encouraged to do bag pre-ordering so that they have a lowered cost, and economic
development can help with that. You can basically do
89201:59:30.390 --> 01:59:35.000San Rao: No bag, just like you do no water, unless asked. You do no bag unless somebody asks.
89301:59:35.670 --> 01:59:52.220
San Rao: you could use signage to indicate back fees so that people recognize the cost and can actually
avoid having to pay that cost. So there are things you can do to encourage good behaviors without trying to
get overly punitive and trying to impose CTE laws on top of what the state's already done.
89401:59:52.220 --> 02:00:07.409San Rao: Just because we think that's the right thing to do. It may be the right thing to do, but it certainly is not the right thing for the retail ability to run a business, and to maintain their costs, and to actually have customers walk in the door. A simple example of this is your…
895
02:00:07.410 --> 02:00:15.600
San Rao: paper cup ordinance, or the single-use ordinance, the coffee served in those paper cups in Cupertino.
89602:00:15.840 --> 02:00:23.379San Rao: Tastes really awful, and the cups cannot handle the heat, and many times with those paper lids, you just can't use it at all.
897
02:00:23.720 --> 02:00:29.250San Rao: And so the answer to that is people just go to Pete's in Saratoga, or they go somewhere else.
89802:00:29.430 --> 02:00:33.680San Rao: But you just need to think about the economic aspects of this, and not just, kind of.
899
02:00:34.060 --> 02:00:40.340
San Rao: singularly focus on the environmental aspect, which is a good thing, but we just need a balance here. Thank you.
900
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Speaker 2 (Community Hall): Thank you, Sam. Mayor, that concludes the request to speak on this item.
90102:00:48.640 --> 02:00:49.890Speaker 2 (Community Hall): Thank you.
902
02:00:49.890 --> 02:00:55.009Speaker 1 (Community Hall): Would any member of the Council like to move the recommended action?
90302:00:56.840 --> 02:01:08.150Speaker 1 (Community Hall): Oh, so moved. Thank you. Seconded by Councilmember Mohan. Do we have any, further requests to speak on this item, or are we ready?
904
02:01:08.150 --> 02:01:08.500R "Ray" Wang, Councilmember: Me too.
90502:01:08.500 --> 02:01:11.310Speaker 1 (Community Hall): Okay, Councilmember Wong?
906
02:01:11.840 --> 02:01:19.279
R "Ray" Wang, Councilmember: I've been thinking about the, economic impact to our retail businesses, and restaurants, for these kind of,
90702:01:19.320 --> 02:01:31.849R "Ray" Wang, Councilmember: for these kind of, regulations. And I do want to point out that in the single plastic use ban, what actually happened is we went to paper products, and that cost restaurants probably 5-
10% more.
90802:01:31.870 --> 02:01:42.100R "Ray" Wang, Councilmember: And they also put more PFAS in our paper products than there are actually in the plastic products, because many of these, the coatings that are required for hot coffee, for example, contain a lot of PFAS.
909
02:01:42.100 --> 02:01:52.249
R "Ray" Wang, Councilmember: And so, I just want to make sure we understand the unintended
consequences of going with this vote, as opposed to going with the minimum vote, in terms of just
complying with the state regulations.
91002:01:52.250 --> 02:02:15.859R "Ray" Wang, Councilmember: Because there are impacts to retail. We do, I mean, I personally do shop in other places if I do need to get to a bag, especially when I'm buying produce or other things where I actually
need that. If you go to the grocery stores, what's really happening is people are using the produce bags to
carry their stuff out, because that's the only way they can get a bag sometimes. And so we've created
unnecessary burdens on a lot of our residents at the same time, so I would just appeal to
91102:02:15.860 --> 02:02:40.030
R "Ray" Wang, Councilmember: actually think about our retail businesses and our residents, and let them
make their own choices, as opposed to implying and imploring a dictatorship approach to what we want in environmental policy. I think our residents can make their choices on their own, and I really do feel that most of ours are environmentally minded, but there are situations where that plastic bag is a lot more useful than what you're going to get on a cloth blad, and a lot more safer
912
02:02:40.030 --> 02:02:45.059
R "Ray" Wang, Councilmember: from a public health perspective, as we all recognized during COVID, so… That's my piece.
91302:02:46.250 --> 02:02:50.340Speaker 1 (Community Hall): Thank you. I do have a question for,
914
02:02:50.480 --> 02:03:03.410
Speaker 1 (Community Hall): Ursula, did we go above and beyond what the requirement is from the state, or are we simply being compliant with what we are required to implement?
91502:03:03.820 --> 02:03:04.500Speaker 1 (Community Hall): We retain.
916
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Speaker 13 (Community Hall): contained the… The broader scope of impacted stores?
91702:03:10.265 --> 02:03:19.534Speaker 13 (Community Hall): the state is limited to larger grocery stores and larger retail. We already had on the books an application to all retail and restaurants, so we retained.
918
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Speaker 1 (Community Hall): Okay, and so now, like, if you go to, Trader Joe's, they had the very popular, woven plastic that was printed on bags, so that would be something that would be, they wouldn't be allowed to be selling that any longer, I would assume?
91902:03:39.920 --> 02:03:41.390Speaker 13 (Community Hall): They're allowed to sell…
920
02:03:41.530 --> 02:03:52.899Speaker 13 (Community Hall): any kind of, you know, bag elsewhere in the store as a commodity, but when you get to checkout, the only allowable single-use bag is the recycled content paper bag for 10 cents. Okay.
92102:03:53.050 --> 02:03:55.129Speaker 1 (Community Hall): Alright, thank you. Vice Mayor?
922
02:03:58.260 --> 02:03:59.739Speaker 7 (Community Hall): Just a comment.
923
02:04:00.010 --> 02:04:10.080
Speaker 7 (Community Hall): I usually don't… And I'm concerned when we are adding extra cost to, business.
924
02:04:10.470 --> 02:04:14.659
Speaker 7 (Community Hall): But on this particular issue.
92502:04:16.210 --> 02:04:21.370Speaker 7 (Community Hall): if you… I'm from Taiwan, I would encourage you all to visit Taiwan.
92602:04:21.830 --> 02:04:28.269
Speaker 7 (Community Hall): I think… things… 15 years ago or earlier?
927
02:04:28.450 --> 02:04:33.869Speaker 7 (Community Hall): Every takeout container is paper, and that's just…
92802:04:34.600 --> 02:04:51.929Speaker 7 (Community Hall): I think a lot of times, if I see a bobao shop that I use paper container, and
then I realize, oh, it's a shop that came from Taiwan. So, just imagine if we put all the plastic into the…
929
02:04:52.550 --> 02:04:57.869Speaker 7 (Community Hall): landfill. It will take many, many years for them to decompose.
93002:04:58.010 --> 02:05:07.660Speaker 7 (Community Hall): And Thailand is a very small island, there is no choice, they have to reduce the
amount of waste. Yeah, we have a lot of land in the United States, but…
931
02:05:07.770 --> 02:05:21.529Speaker 7 (Community Hall): We don't have a limited landfill, so if we can do something, it's a little inconvenient, but once you get used to it, it's not inconvenient, it's a lifestyle. So I think we…
93202:05:21.560 --> 02:05:30.340
Speaker 7 (Community Hall): need to take that first step. I still see a lot of takeout containers that's plastic in
here.
93302:05:31.050 --> 02:05:31.740Speaker 7 (Community Hall): that…
93402:05:32.720 --> 02:05:42.400
Speaker 7 (Community Hall): Some people rewash and use it again, but then many, many of them just go in
the dump. So, the paper containers are not
93502:05:42.620 --> 02:05:54.130Speaker 7 (Community Hall): really costly. So we really need to put, some responsibility on the consumer and the producer of plastics so that we
93602:05:54.770 --> 02:05:58.330Speaker 7 (Community Hall): Kim… Can change ours.
937
02:05:58.510 --> 02:06:04.739
Speaker 7 (Community Hall): behavior. I think it's a mindset issue, so this I fully support, although…
93802:06:05.360 --> 02:06:09.909Speaker 7 (Community Hall): I think the cost is really not that high. Yeah, thank you.
939
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Speaker 1 (Community Hall): Thank you, and I think the message is also to remember to bring your reusable
bag. Don't leave it in the car, don't leave it at home. I don't see any further hands raised, Madam City Clerk,
will you… oh, Councilmember Wong.
94002:06:24.730 --> 02:06:29.669R "Ray" Wang, Councilmember: I just wanted to point out that a lot of the paper products used in Taiwan contain a lot of PFAS,
941
02:06:29.670 --> 02:06:53.740
R "Ray" Wang, Councilmember: And if you're worried about that, well, it's a great trade-off on the environmental side, it might not be a great trade-off on the public health side. So I'm also from… parents originally from Taiwan, and I do see that they are very environmentally conscious. I'm not trying to not be, I'm just saying that there are some public health implications from what we've done with those paper straws, what we've done with those paper cups, and so just think about that in terms of a cost structure, not only just on cost to business, but also to public health.
942
02:06:55.100 --> 02:07:00.889
Speaker 13 (Community Hall): As a point of clarification, our single-use plastics ordinance requires the
foodware without PFAS.
94302:07:01.830 --> 02:07:08.709Speaker 1 (Community Hall): Thank you. Thank you for, for bringing that up as well. Madam City Clerk, will you please conduct the roll call vote?
944
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Speaker 2 (Community Hall): Housemember Fruen.
94502:07:11.225 --> 02:07:14.225Speaker 2 (Community Hall): Councilmember Rohan? Aye. Councilmember Wong?
946
02:07:14.230 --> 02:07:14.760
R "Ray" Wang, Councilmember: No.
94702:07:16.770 --> 02:07:17.899
Speaker 2 (Community Hall): Vice Mayor Cho?
948
02:07:19.000 --> 02:07:19.830
Speaker 2 (Community Hall): Aye.
94902:07:19.950 --> 02:07:23.499Speaker 2 (Community Hall): Mayor Moore? Aye. Motion carries with Wong voting no.
950
02:07:23.720 --> 02:07:24.529
Speaker 2 (Community Hall): All right, thank you.
95102:07:24.535 --> 02:07:44.294Speaker 1 (Community Hall): And we are moving on to item 15. It's the introduction and first reading of an ordinance to amend the municipal code, with regards to the California Building Standards Commission, our building code adoption. Madam City Manager, will you, do you have a staff report for us?
952
02:07:44.475 --> 02:07:54.735
Speaker 3 (Community Hall): Thank you, Mayor. We do have a staff report with the agenda, and I'll briefly introduce and turn it over to staff. So this item is a request to update amendments to ensure the city's building standards.
95302:07:54.735 --> 02:08:05.575
Speaker 3 (Community Hall): address specific local safety needs while remaining compliant with state
mandates. And here today to make the presentation and answer questions are the city's building official,
Sean Hatch.
95402:08:05.575 --> 02:08:08.864Speaker 3 (Community Hall): And Deputy Building Official Fong Devries.
955
02:08:08.955 --> 02:08:11.135
Speaker 3 (Community Hall): And with that, I will turn it over to you now.
95602:08:15.855 --> 02:08:21.494Speaker 3 (Community Hall): Good evening, Mayor, Vice Mayor, Council Members. As stated, my name is Sean Hatch, we're back.
957
02:08:21.495 --> 02:08:22.895
Speaker 14 (Community Hall): Again, with,
95802:08:23.015 --> 02:08:31.545Speaker 14 (Community Hall): some code info. I'm accompanied here by Fong DeVries, the Deputy Building Official, and supported by our Director, Benjamin Fu.
959
02:08:31.755 --> 02:08:41.665
Speaker 14 (Community Hall): Tonight, we are here to introduce and perform the first reading of the
ordinance to amend the Cupertino Municipal Code, Title 16, and the supporting resolution.
96002:08:41.845 --> 02:08:53.564Speaker 14 (Community Hall): The primary purpose of these amendments is to receive full acceptance from the California Building Standards Commission for our local amendments and the adoption of the 2025
California codes and regulations.
96102:08:54.855 --> 02:09:04.684Speaker 14 (Community Hall): We have a quick presentation to provide some background on the activities since the Council's approval last November. We will discuss what is being amended, and then open it up for any questions.
962
02:09:06.745 --> 02:09:15.094
Speaker 14 (Community Hall): Oh, yeah, you're on. Okay, so just to kind of give the background with some
of the timelines, right? As explained, they're on the screen,
96302:09:15.405 --> 02:09:22.204Speaker 14 (Community Hall): The adoption of the 2025 California Codes and Regulations was approved by Council on November 18, 2025.
964
02:09:22.225 --> 02:09:36.884
Speaker 14 (Community Hall): And the final step of this process is sending copies of our ordinance and our
resolution to the California Building Standards Commission for their review and acceptance. And so these copies were emailed to them on November 26, 2025.
96502:09:37.285 --> 02:09:41.674Speaker 14 (Community Hall): And then, on January 16th of this year,
966
02:09:41.825 --> 02:09:45.845
Speaker 14 (Community Hall): the California Building Standards Commission issued us a partial acceptance.
96702:09:46.145 --> 02:10:01.245Speaker 14 (Community Hall): That's why we're here today. So, they requested additional formal findings for three of the proposed appendix chapters, one from the residential code and two from the fire code, and then
two residential code amendments from the residential code. And this…
968
02:10:01.535 --> 02:10:09.994Speaker 14 (Community Hall): just to kind of, point it out that the partial acceptance letter was attachment E, with the staff report and all that, so it kind of shows what we got from them.
96902:10:10.735 --> 02:10:12.555
Speaker 14 (Community Hall): Slide 3.
970
02:10:13.965 --> 02:10:33.655Speaker 14 (Community Hall): And so, as a result of this, the partial approval was discussed with the Santa Clara County Fire, and a preliminary response was drafted and submitted to the California Building Standards Commission on February 10th. Before I went through this process, or we went through this process, I
wanted to bounce the ideas off of them, and so that's when I did this.
97102:10:33.775 --> 02:10:50.334Speaker 14 (Community Hall): This response, you know, expanded on the topographical and geographical
findings for the three appendix chapters, and noted that the two residential code sections were substantially
equivalent to what was already adopted in our 2022 codes, as required by AB130.
97202:10:51.695 --> 02:10:59.034Speaker 14 (Community Hall): So I sent that to them. So then I got back on February 18th, they responded. And they accepted everything except
973
02:10:59.165 --> 02:11:06.595
Speaker 14 (Community Hall): For one section, for the amendment that we've made to R330.4 for the
location of a battery at your residence.
97402:11:06.775 --> 02:11:15.475Speaker 14 (Community Hall): They said due to the added language and the constraints of AB130, that specific amendment would need to be removed from our local ordinance for full acceptance.
975
02:11:15.845 --> 02:11:20.774
Speaker 14 (Community Hall): That is exactly what is being proposed tonight, the removal of one
amendment.
97602:11:21.495 --> 02:11:31.715Speaker 14 (Community Hall): So I kind of think at this point, that's kind of a good point to simplify what we're here doing. We are expanding on the findings for the already adopted appendix chapters.
977
02:11:31.725 --> 02:11:46.474
Speaker 14 (Community Hall): and removing one amendment to that reference code section, R330.4, and the one sentence that was added was, and shall not be located below or above any emergency escape or rescue opening. That was the one sentence.
97802:11:46.475 --> 02:11:54.714
Speaker 14 (Community Hall): So that wasn't in our 2022 code, so they said, well, because maybe it's 130,
no go. So that's fine, right? So we…
97902:11:54.825 --> 02:11:58.544Speaker 14 (Community Hall): We've made that change. So, by adopting this, so…
98002:11:58.685 --> 02:12:16.315
Speaker 14 (Community Hall): We're on site floor, so here's kind of the options, right? So by adopting these
findings and amendments, we ensure a full acceptance from the California Building Standards Commission,
we promote a regional consistency by aligning the residential and fire codes, and we preserve the adoption
of the three appendix chapters in question.
981
02:12:16.695 --> 02:12:34.695
Speaker 14 (Community Hall): Without this action, the city will remain in a state of partial acceptance, it generates a conflict between the residential and the fire codes, we lose the adoption of the three appendix chapters, and the approved amendment that was previously approved in R330.31, which was for spacing of batteries.
982
02:12:35.235 --> 02:12:37.325
Speaker 14 (Community Hall): So, with that…
98302:12:37.485 --> 02:12:53.454Speaker 14 (Community Hall): Staff recommends the adoption of the revised resolution and ordinance to finalize the Cupertino Code Title 16 adoption. These actions ensure our local building code amendments meet California Building Standards Commission requirements for the 2025 code cycle.
984
02:12:54.305 --> 02:12:58.995Speaker 14 (Community Hall): That concludes our presentation, and we are here to answer any questions. Thank you.
98502:12:59.710 --> 02:13:05.549Speaker 1 (Community Hall): Thank you so much. City Council, do we have any clarifying questions at this
time?
98602:13:07.420 --> 02:13:08.330R "Ray" Wang, Councilmember: Yes, Mayor.
98702:13:09.010 --> 02:13:11.720Speaker 1 (Community Hall): Councilmember Wang?
988
02:13:11.810 --> 02:13:16.639R "Ray" Wang, Councilmember: Yeah, just a quick question. Is this… is there anything part of this that's retroactive, or it's only prospective?
98902:13:18.880 --> 02:13:28.280Speaker 14 (Community Hall): No, it's just going forward, just so that we can get full acceptance from the
California Building Standards Commission, literally removing that one sentence from our already adopted
code, yeah.
99002:13:28.280 --> 02:13:33.529R "Ray" Wang, Councilmember: Sounds great. Thank you very much for the hard work and doing the research required to make it compliant.
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Speaker 14 (Community Hall): Thank you.
99202:13:36.160 --> 02:13:40.680Speaker 1 (Community Hall): Thank you. Madam City Clerk, do we have any members of the public that
would like to speak on this item?
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02:13:43.140 --> 02:13:45.969
Speaker 2 (Community Hall): Mayor, I don't currently see any requests to speak on this item.
99402:13:48.000 --> 02:13:53.109Speaker 1 (Community Hall): Alright, do we have a motion to move the recommended action?
995
02:13:53.320 --> 02:13:55.580
R "Ray" Wang, Councilmember: Make the motion, as well, to…
99602:13:55.580 --> 02:13:59.769Speaker 1 (Community Hall): Thank you, Councilmember Wong. Second. A second by Councilmember Fruen.
997
02:14:00.250 --> 02:14:11.870
Speaker 1 (Community Hall): I don't see any further hands raised. I want to thank staff for, providing such a
very clear explanation and presentation. Madam City Clerk, will you please conduct the roll call vote?
Councilmember Fran.
99802:14:12.210 --> 02:14:12.900Speaker 2 (Community Hall): Bye.
999
02:14:13.000 --> 02:14:14.730
Speaker 2 (Community Hall): Councilmember Mohan? Aye.
100002:14:14.870 --> 02:14:16.030Speaker 2 (Community Hall): Councilmember Wong?
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02:14:16.190 --> 02:14:16.770
R "Ray" Wang, Councilmember: Aye.
100202:14:17.510 --> 02:14:23.090Speaker 2 (Community Hall): Vice Mayor Chao? Aye. Mayor Moore? Aye. Motion carries unanimously. Right.
100302:14:23.090 --> 02:14:31.709
Speaker 1 (Community Hall): Thank you. So, now we're moving on to item 16. This is the introduction and
first reading of an ordinance to amend the Municipal Code.
100402:14:32.100 --> 02:14:39.960Speaker 1 (Community Hall): To establish Chapter 5.51 to regulate film production, Madam City Manager, do we have a staff report?
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02:14:40.195 --> 02:14:59.534
Speaker 3 (Community Hall): Thank you, Mayor. We do have a staff report, and this is an item that we're
bringing back with very minor updates to the film production ordinance to further clarify that it does not
apply to filming that occurs fully on private property. And with that, I will turn it over to Interim City Attorney Floyd Andrews to provide a brief presentation.
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02:15:00.225 --> 02:15:03.534
Speaker 3 (Community Hall): Thank you very much. Can you see the presentation on your screen?
100702:15:08.045 --> 02:15:13.175Speaker 3 (Community Hall): Julia, could you… Video, could you make sure Floyd's screen is being shared?
100802:15:37.495 --> 02:15:39.474
Speaker 3 (Community Hall): Oh, there we go. Great.
1009
02:15:39.630 --> 02:15:52.319Speaker 15 (Community Hall): Good evening, Mayor and Council. You'll recall that, in November, we brought a first reading of a film ordinance to Council, and,
101002:15:53.490 --> 02:15:54.809
Speaker 15 (Community Hall): Let me switch that…
1011
02:15:56.900 --> 02:16:13.950Speaker 15 (Community Hall): And that was to establish Chapter 5.51, to, the municipal code, to allow the city to regulate film production, and also, to allow the city to, pass a fee schedule in connection with,
101202:16:14.090 --> 02:16:18.470
Speaker 15 (Community Hall): Individuals, producing commercial films in the city.
1013
02:16:18.630 --> 02:16:22.240Speaker 15 (Community Hall): Council unanimously approved the item at the time.
101402:16:22.600 --> 02:16:42.389Speaker 15 (Community Hall): Certain community members suggested that the terms were somewhat
ambiguous, as pertaining to filming on private property, and, asked us to take a look at that again, and so
we did. And staff now recommends that we, approve the second first reading of that, ordinance.
101502:16:45.940 --> 02:16:49.389Speaker 15 (Community Hall): Let's see if I can get this to move forward, I've… oh, there we go.
101602:16:49.750 --> 02:16:51.900
Speaker 15 (Community Hall): This is an odd mouse.
1017
02:16:52.370 --> 02:16:53.760Speaker 15 (Community Hall): There it is.
1018
02:16:55.230 --> 02:16:58.909
Speaker 15 (Community Hall): It's easily lost. I don't know why it's not… oh, there we go.
101902:16:59.040 --> 02:17:05.479Speaker 15 (Community Hall): Perfect. So this is what the revision is clarifying. The ordinance,
1020
02:17:07.580 --> 02:17:26.180Speaker 15 (Community Hall): now applies to… now does not apply to commercial filming. We made, a little tweak in the language to make that very, very clear. And the ordinance does not apply to, commercial filming if it takes place entirely on private property.
102102:17:26.559 --> 02:17:34.730
Speaker 15 (Community Hall): Including all vehicle parking, production staging, and storage of equipment or
props. So, before we, had the
102202:17:34.809 --> 02:17:48.409Speaker 15 (Community Hall): ordinance applying to, filming. The ordinance did apply to filming on private property, to the extent that, additional, equipment.
1023
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Speaker 15 (Community Hall): Traffic, trucks.
102402:17:51.840 --> 02:18:08.860Speaker 15 (Community Hall): would be present on… in the public right-of-way or on public property. So, in that instance, even though the actual filming was happening in private property, the fact that you were taking up, space on the street, etc, required you to get a permit.
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Speaker 15 (Community Hall): In this instance, A specifically clarifies that, but we also added B,
102602:18:15.799 --> 02:18:35.740Speaker 15 (Community Hall): activities that are covered by an encroachment permit. So that means that if you're filming on private property, and you have an encroachment permit to allow for, commercial vehicles, etc, parking on a public street, you would still be exempt from having to get a permit. So that's the basic
change here.
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02:18:36.139 --> 02:18:43.640Speaker 15 (Community Hall): And that is the… Full extent of the changes, so the recommended action is to,
102802:18:43.850 --> 02:18:48.270Speaker 15 (Community Hall): Pass the, first reading of
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Speaker 15 (Community Hall): The second first reading of this ordinance.
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Speaker 1 (Community Hall): Thank you, Madam City Attorney, and at this time, I see a hand raised from Councilmember Mohan.
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Speaker 11 (Community Hall): Yeah, question for… the city attorney, when would this take effect?
103202:19:09.725 --> 02:19:17.584Speaker 15 (Community Hall): Well, we would, bring it back for a second reading, and I think the plan to do that is to bring it back at the next meeting, is that correct?
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Speaker 15 (Community Hall): May… and one of the meetings in May will bring the second reading back, and
once that's passed, then it will be effective.
103402:19:24.370 --> 02:19:26.539Speaker 3 (Community Hall): And the second reading can be on consent.
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Speaker 11 (Community Hall): So this big, film that they're making on Cupertino, so I'm assuming…
103602:19:35.430 --> 02:19:36.090Speaker 15 (Community Hall): and show.
103702:19:36.094 --> 02:19:39.274
Speaker 11 (Community Hall): So I'm assuming this does… would not apply to them.
1038
02:19:39.834 --> 02:19:50.754Speaker 15 (Community Hall): Well, the film ordinance likely would. If they are filming in, private property, let's say a household, and they have
103902:19:50.754 --> 02:20:00.064
Speaker 15 (Community Hall): an encroachment permit for their vehicles outside, then they would not need
to get a permit. But if they're filming, in parks, on city property.
104002:20:00.064 --> 02:20:07.104Speaker 15 (Community Hall): On property that isn't private property, or if they don't get an encroachment permit, then they would have to get a permit.
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Speaker 11 (Community Hall): No, I just assumed that that filming was already done, since they're talking
about a fall release.
104202:20:13.840 --> 02:20:15.469Speaker 11 (Community Hall): Oh, I see, I…
104302:20:16.600 --> 02:20:22.370Speaker 15 (Community Hall): I have to admit, I don't have any specific information on whether the TV show has begun to film.
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Speaker 15 (Community Hall): Thank you.
104502:20:26.810 --> 02:20:29.499Speaker 1 (Community Hall): Okay, I'm not seeing any further hands raised, Madison.
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R "Ray" Wang, Councilmember: Mayor, sorry, on Zoom? Sorry.
104702:20:31.300 --> 02:20:34.220Speaker 1 (Community Hall): On Zoom. Okay. Councilmember Wong.
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R "Ray" Wang, Councilmember: Oh, yes, through the Mayor, thank you. I do have a question. I believe
filming has actually begun in Hasbrook Heights in New Jersey, and they haven't filmed here yet, and I
wanted to mention that, are we doing anything to encourage them to come, film actually in Cupertino? That's question number one. And question number two is I really want to just make a comment, and thank you for creating the private exemptions. I think they're very good for nonprofits.
104902:20:57.430 --> 02:21:12.909R "Ray" Wang, Councilmember: as well for some of the private entities and corporations that are here. I
think the research was thorough, and I thought it was really important to make sure we carved out that
exemption on the private piece. So thank you very much there. But have we reached out to the city manager
or to anyone on EDC? Have we reached out to see if they're filming with us?
105002:21:14.690 --> 02:21:19.370Speaker 3 (Community Hall): Councilmember Wong, their team reached out to our communications team.
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Speaker 3 (Community Hall): So, there… I think that there is interest in at least understanding what the
process is, if they want to come here and, and film.
105202:21:26.740 --> 02:21:41.130Speaker 3 (Community Hall): I don't think that they've been in our city just yet, but we're in touch with them, and we can continue encouraging them now, especially now that our ordinance is going to be in place and provides clarity. I do imagine it's more than just one season, so we'll…
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R "Ray" Wang, Councilmember: Hopefully make it more than one season, yes. Definitely do it. So, thank you very much.
1054
02:21:46.470 --> 02:21:52.910Speaker 1 (Community Hall): All right, thank you. Madam City Clerk, do we have any members of the public who are requesting to speak?
1055
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Speaker 2 (Community Hall): Mayor, at this time, I'm not seeing any requests to speak on this item. All right.
105602:21:57.155 --> 02:22:01.014Speaker 1 (Community Hall): We'll bring it back. Do we have a motion to move the recommended action?
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R "Ray" Wang, Councilmember: Motion to move.
105802:22:03.440 --> 02:22:07.540Speaker 1 (Community Hall): Okay, Councilmember Wong? Second. And seconded by Councilmember Fruen.
105902:22:08.170 --> 02:22:09.170
Speaker 1 (Community Hall): I'm…
1060
02:22:09.520 --> 02:22:17.920Speaker 1 (Community Hall): Councilmember… okay. Not seeing any further hands raised. Madam City Clerk, will you please conduct the roll call vote?
106102:22:17.925 --> 02:22:20.005
Speaker 2 (Community Hall): Everyone? Aye. Councilmember Mohawk.
1062
02:22:20.010 --> 02:22:22.430Speaker 11 (Community Hall): Aye. Councilmember Wong?
106302:22:22.430 --> 02:22:23.130R "Ray" Wang, Councilmember: Aye.
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Speaker 2 (Community Hall): Vice Mayor Chao? Aye. Mayor Moore? Aye. Motion carries unanimously. Thank you.
106502:22:32.420 --> 02:22:36.970Speaker 1 (Community Hall): Okay, so we've finished that. Let's see, we've…
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Speaker 1 (Community Hall): Moved on to the end. We just have some reports, which you can peruse.
106702:22:42.830 --> 02:23:00.510
Speaker 1 (Community Hall): I believe we have completed the agenda. Yes. Okay, so prior to adjourning, I'd
like to remind everyone that the Toyakawa Cupertino Sister City Cherry Blossom Festival is this Saturday and Sunday at Memorial Park, and we hope to see you there. And with that.
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R "Ray" Wang, Councilmember: To the mayor? To the mayor?
106902:23:02.320 --> 02:23:03.000Speaker 1 (Community Hall): Yes, yes.
107002:23:03.000 --> 02:23:06.080
R "Ray" Wang, Councilmember: Can I propose a future agenda item, please?
1071
02:23:06.080 --> 02:23:09.030Speaker 1 (Community Hall): Pardon, is that.
107202:23:10.980 --> 02:23:14.719Speaker 3 (Community Hall): Yeah. Is Councilmember Wong suggesting a future agenda item?
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02:23:14.720 --> 02:23:18.019
R "Ray" Wang, Councilmember: I would like to propose a… suggest a future agenda item, if possible.
107402:23:19.350 --> 02:23:23.399Speaker 3 (Community Hall): Would you like to email, me and the mayor, Councilmember Wong?
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R "Ray" Wang, Councilmember: I'll do that. It's related to file safety and spending some time creating
evacuation routes for our residents on the west side, so…
107602:23:30.920 --> 02:23:38.340Speaker 7 (Community Hall): So, in the past, we did have Councilmember propose on the dais and get a second.
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Speaker 7 (Community Hall): On the future agenda item item.
107802:23:42.280 --> 02:23:44.930Speaker 7 (Community Hall): But we haven't had time to get.
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R "Ray" Wang, Councilmember: We haven't ever done… yeah, it's true, very much true, we haven't, so…
108002:23:47.710 --> 02:23:51.090Speaker 7 (Community Hall): So, would the mayor want to entertain that?
108102:23:51.095 --> 02:24:06.824Speaker 1 (Community Hall): This is… okay, so for future agenda items, we have the upcoming draft agenda items report, a tentative council meeting agenda calendar that lists upcoming City Council meeting dates and tentative agenda items, all of which are subject to change.
1082
02:24:08.830 --> 02:24:33.269R "Ray" Wang, Councilmember: I would just like to propose a study session on evacuation routes and safety and how they tie back to ATP. I think it's very important, given the housing bills that we've approved as a council, and given the impact to residents, I think it's very important that we address the fire safety issue, and if we can put a study session to that on the agenda item at some point. That's just my suggestion. If I get a second, that'd be great through the Mayor, if you want to do this now. If not, I'm happy to write and put that into writing for you.
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Speaker 1 (Community Hall): Yes, I actually want to see this clarified with the city attorney with regards to our
108402:24:40.960 --> 02:24:48.100Speaker 1 (Community Hall): the draft agenda items report is because it seems almost like it's not really
written up to,
1085
02:24:48.310 --> 02:25:03.310Speaker 1 (Community Hall): suggest future agenda items, even though it's under our future agenda Items heading, and maybe we want to touch on that in our Council, procedures manual that we're going to be looking at, to… to clarify this particular item.
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Speaker 1 (Community Hall): So, is that within… Is that within this, this, Agenda item.
108702:25:10.660 --> 02:25:18.660Speaker 1 (Community Hall): because it just says upcoming draft agenda Items Report. It's a report. It doesn't seem to be… Hmm. Requesting…
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Speaker 15 (Community Hall): I think it's appropriate for a council member to make a suggestion on a future
agenda item. I don't think it's appropriate, as the current agenda is set up, that we would actually vote to
make that happen.
108902:25:30.130 --> 02:25:41.059Speaker 1 (Community Hall): Okay, so, Councilman Wong, it might be best that you, send in an email and, ask for a second. I think you'll get it. That that's not the issue, it's just how.
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02:25:41.060 --> 02:25:43.170
R "Ray" Wang, Councilmember: We're happy to follow process, so…
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Speaker 1 (Community Hall): Okay, thank you, thank you so much.
109202:25:47.230 --> 02:25:49.399R "Ray" Wang, Councilmember: And happy to end the meeting earlier, too.
1093
02:25:50.050 --> 02:25:53.899Speaker 7 (Community Hall): Mayor, so I am confused, because…
109402:25:54.850 --> 02:26:04.919Speaker 7 (Community Hall): ever since I got on the Council in 2019, we have had the future agenda items item at the very end, and we have
1095
02:26:05.210 --> 02:26:09.049Speaker 7 (Community Hall): had proposed, items and gotten a second,
109602:26:09.270 --> 02:26:21.159Speaker 7 (Community Hall): on the dais, and when we didn't have the draft agenda Items report. The draft agenda Items report was recently added last year when we
1097
02:26:21.280 --> 02:26:29.130Speaker 7 (Community Hall): and revise the Council agenda, and it seems the consequence is now
109802:26:30.760 --> 02:26:38.840Speaker 7 (Community Hall): making future agenda items a category and not an item, you can comment on that.
1099
02:26:38.845 --> 02:26:39.585Speaker 11 (Community Hall): I think.
110002:26:39.590 --> 02:26:44.259Speaker 1 (Community Hall): lucky for us, I believe it's May 5th that we'll be looking at the Council of Procedures May? Yeah.
1101
02:26:44.265 --> 02:26:53.884Speaker 7 (Community Hall): I would… yeah, I think the correct way is actually for item 19 to still be titled Future Agenda Items.
110202:26:54.025 --> 02:27:07.905Speaker 7 (Community Hall): And then the draft agenda is an attachment as an information. The title
shouldn't be draft agenda Items report, because we don't put, usually, an info report as an agenda item, so I
think this is…
110302:27:08.045 --> 02:27:17.325Speaker 7 (Community Hall): That… that appropriate, according to the Council… the intent of the revised,
Council Procedures Report is that.
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02:27:18.045 --> 02:27:20.804
Speaker 1 (Community Hall): Okay, so, May 5th, we'll…
110502:27:20.905 --> 02:27:27.595Speaker 1 (Community Hall): we'll bookmark that and make sure that that gets discussed, and I definitely see your point there. So I.
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Speaker 7 (Community Hall): Can I still propose an item?
110702:27:30.830 --> 02:27:41.869Speaker 1 (Community Hall): Not the way it's written. So, but you can, as soon as the meeting's over, just send an email if you're trying to get something, get a second on something. I…
1108
02:27:41.870 --> 02:27:52.600
Speaker 7 (Community Hall): I hope the city can host a screening of the Small is Beautiful screening, and since this is an issue that, we all care about.
110902:27:52.700 --> 02:27:56.409Speaker 7 (Community Hall): It'll be nice if the city can host it.
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02:27:56.850 --> 02:28:12.149
R "Ray" Wang, Councilmember: The Council Procedures Manual actually does say that we can do this right now, even though how the agenda sits, so just… just for future reference, I'm happy to follow what the Mayor's preferences are, but the procedure manual does say this today in the manual, so I'm happy to end the meeting early, too, as well, so…
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02:28:12.150 --> 02:28:22.589
Speaker 1 (Community Hall): Yeah, so I think in the future, how we have this, noticed needs to be,
expanded is… is the…
111202:28:22.890 --> 02:28:32.500Speaker 1 (Community Hall): only difference, so if… it doesn't say that we would be adding items to it, it just says we're getting this report. Okay, so…
1113
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Speaker 1 (Community Hall): And please, attend the Cupertino Sister City Cherry Blossom Festival this
Saturday and Sunday at Memorial Park. And with that, this Tuesday, April 21st, 2026 regular meeting of the Cupertino City Council is adjourned.
111402:28:52.670 --> 02:28:53.679Community Hall: Thanks. You did.