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100:00:00.000 --> 00:00:01.490Speaker 1 (Community Hall): to order…
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Speaker 2 (Community Hall): Repeat? Good evening. It is 6, 545. I call this March 17th, 2026, Special Meeting of the Cupertino City Council to order.
300:00:14.070 --> 00:00:16.670Speaker 2 (Community Hall): Madam City Clerk, will you please call the roll?
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Speaker 2 (Community Hall): Councilmember Fruan. Here.
500:00:20.150 --> 00:00:21.490Speaker 2 (Community Hall): Councilmember Mohan.
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Speaker 2 (Community Hall): Here.
700:00:23.270 --> 00:00:27.300Speaker 2 (Community Hall): Vice Mayor Chao? Here. Mayor Moore?
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Community Hall: Here.
900:00:31.010 --> 00:00:43.500Speaker 2 (Community Hall): Thank you, Madam City Clerk. We begin with Item 1, a study session on the housing development project at 10333 North Wolf Road. Madam City Manager, will you please introduce the Santa Clara County staff?
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Speaker 2 (Community Hall): Thank you, Mayor. Good evening, everyone. So for this item, Council had
requested a study.
1100:00:48.950 --> 00:01:00.870Speaker 3 (Community Hall): session on the housing development project on Wolf Road, and county staff and the design team are here to present an update on the project and answer any questions and receive feedback from the City Council.
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00:01:00.870 --> 00:01:10.080Speaker 3 (Community Hall): And with that, I will hand it over to Consuelo Hernandez, the Deputy County Executive from County of Santa Clara, and staff from Eden Housing and the design team.
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Speaker 3 (Community Hall): Thank you, Tina. I… can you hear me?
1400:01:13.220 --> 00:01:19.300Speaker 3 (Community Hall): It's perfect. Consuel Hernandez, Deputy County Executive, it's so nice to see you all again. We have a short.
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Speaker 4 (Community Hall): Presentation for you.
1600:01:22.490 --> 00:01:33.149Speaker 4 (Community Hall): Thank you. As Tina mentioned, we are here, on behalf of the County of Santa Clara in partnership with our colleagues, with Eden and Architects and Engage Fora.
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Speaker 4 (Community Hall): We have a lot of information to share with you in the next 10 minutes. Most of
this information is not new, so we're going to go through this rather quickly so that we can get to your
questions and your comments from the public. Next slide.
1800:01:48.040 --> 00:02:01.750Speaker 4 (Community Hall): As some of you might recall, since 2021, the county has been working closely with the City of Cupertino to increase opportunities for affordable housing. We initially acquired the property at 10591,
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00:02:01.750 --> 00:02:12.449Speaker 4 (Community Hall): North De Anza Boulevard, the old Outback Steakhouse property. But soon after that, pivoted very quickly to this opportunity site that you're seeing on the screen now.
2000:02:12.470 --> 00:02:31.539Speaker 4 (Community Hall): It is a vacant parcel south of Interstate 280 and west of North Wolf Road.
Through this effort, we worked really closely with the city to designate the site as a priority housing
opportunity site, and rezoned it to R4 with the minimum density of 50 dwelling units per acre back in July
2024.
2100:02:31.880 --> 00:02:38.529Speaker 4 (Community Hall): This action made our project eligible for by-right approval as a priority housing site.
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Speaker 4 (Community Hall): Today, the project proposes 251 units that will all be restricted at moderate
income or low-income levels, which meets the density minimum across the 5-acre site, and is in line with the housing element expectations.
2300:02:53.880 --> 00:03:09.539Speaker 4 (Community Hall): Next slide. Following direction from the County Board of Supervisors and
feedback that we obtained from the City Council back in June 2021, we developed the following project goals
before selecting a development partner and before conducting any significant community engagement.
2400:03:10.190 --> 00:03:17.899Speaker 4 (Community Hall): We wanted to designate a portion of the parcel for educators, with the remainder of the property for affordable housing.
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00:03:17.940 --> 00:03:22.810Speaker 4 (Community Hall): We wanted to provide a range of apartment sizes and variety of housing types.
2600:03:22.810 --> 00:03:41.440Speaker 4 (Community Hall): We also wanted to make sure that we satisfied the density requirements ranging between 250 to 300 total units, and we wanted to provide mixed-income housing, particularly given
the other housing around the property, and make sure that there was a variety of housing opportunities at
different income levels.
2700:03:42.560 --> 00:03:50.470Speaker 4 (Community Hall): I'm now going to turn the presentation over to Andrea with Eden Housing, the County's development partner that was selected back in February 2024.
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Speaker 2 (Community Hall): Good evening, Council. My name is Andrea Osgood, Chief of Real Estate for
Eden Housing. We're thrilled to be partnering with the county and you on this important site, and we are a
non-profit based in the.
2900:04:03.205 --> 00:04:14.415Speaker 5 (Community Hall): area, and have been doing this work for over 55 years, and really, throughout that time, we prioritize partnership with local communities, and you'll hear more about our process here on
this site.
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3100:04:16.894 --> 00:04:25.824Speaker 5 (Community Hall): So, Consuela mentioned that she came to you in 2021, and we were lucky
enough to be selected to be part of this team in 2024.
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00:04:26.075 --> 00:04:35.394Speaker 5 (Community Hall): And started that process first off with a series of stakeholder interviews with over 30 individuals who helped us inform how we would then curate
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Speaker 5 (Community Hall): And plan the rest of our engagement, which you see here, over…
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feedback from the community.
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Speaker 5 (Community Hall): You can go to the next slide.
3600:04:51.045 --> 00:05:03.075Speaker 5 (Community Hall): Some by the numbers there, we had over 400 people participate in this. We sent out over 1,100 invitations and had a lot of engagement on our website, and in our emails.
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Speaker 5 (Community Hall): And you'll hear more from Sarah later about how that feedback did change and
impact the design.
3800:05:11.175 --> 00:05:23.615Speaker 5 (Community Hall): Here's an overview of what we're proposing in two different phases. So, phase one is the educator, housing. It includes 94 homes. It's a mix of two-story townhomes and walk-up flats.
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Speaker 5 (Community Hall): With a variety of unit sizes.
4000:05:26.645 --> 00:05:34.145Speaker 5 (Community Hall): And all of these units, it's 100% income restricted for both low- and moderate income, families.
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Speaker 5 (Community Hall): Phase 2 will be a more traditional affordable housing community.
4200:05:37.555 --> 00:05:43.745Speaker 5 (Community Hall): With 157 homes, a variety, again, of unit sizes from 3 bedrooms to studios.
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Speaker 5 (Community Hall): And a mix of affordability levels from extremely low income to low income.
4400:05:50.325 --> 00:05:51.884Speaker 5 (Community Hall): Next slide.
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Speaker 5 (Community Hall): So who, will live in these two properties? We have a variety of AMI levels, or
area income levels, from 100 to 120%. You can see the, breakdowns of potential.
4600:06:06.015 --> 00:06:11.864Speaker 5 (Community Hall): Jobs or, professions that those households might…
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Speaker 5 (Community Hall): Be made up of, and also…
4800:06:15.595 --> 00:06:20.595Speaker 5 (Community Hall): In the more traditional 80 to 40, and 30% AMI as well.
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Speaker 5 (Community Hall): Next slide. As mentioned, we want this to be educator-focused housing, and
we are working with
5000:06:29.035 --> 00:06:34.215Speaker 5 (Community Hall): The following 15 different school districts in the area, quite a wide range.
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Speaker 5 (Community Hall): So we can go to the next slide.
5200:06:37.895 --> 00:06:41.655Speaker 5 (Community Hall): Which is where I hand it over to Sarah to talk a little bit about the design.
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Speaker 5 (Community Hall): Thank you. Thank you, Andrea. Thank you, Councilmembers, for having us
today. I'm Sarah Vaccarva.
5400:06:51.300 --> 00:06:53.890Speaker 6 (Community Hall): co-principal with Architects and Engage Fora.
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Speaker 6 (Community Hall): As Andrea outlined.
5600:06:56.170 --> 00:06:58.049Speaker 5 (Community Hall): This project is deeply informed.
5700:06:58.055 --> 00:07:08.984Speaker 6 (Community Hall): by the community engagement carried out over the last two years. And we
believe it is a stronger, more responsive project because of the range of thoughtful input from our educator
and community stakeholders.
5800:07:09.345 --> 00:07:20.254Speaker 6 (Community Hall): This diagram illustrates what we heard from our stakeholders throughout the engagement process that then informed the overall site organization and building form moves across the site.
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Speaker 6 (Community Hall): In the top left corner.
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Speaker 6 (Community Hall): We started with the overall building form needed to achieve the city's density requirements for this site. We heard from the neighbors to reduce the length of exterior elevation facing the shared property line, so we carved out large courtyards to minimize building frontage.
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Speaker 6 (Community Hall): In the top right diagram, we heard from our educator advisory group that
smaller-scale, village-like buildings were preferred, so we cut the buildings up into smaller forms.
6200:07:49.275 --> 00:08:04.415Speaker 6 (Community Hall): In the bottom left diagram, we heard from the neighbors that taller buildings in higher density is more appropriate closer to Wolf Road, so we reduced the height of the buildings on the north portion of the site and moved those units in height to the buildings closer to Wolf Road.
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00:08:04.645 --> 00:08:17.105Speaker 6 (Community Hall): In the bottom right, we heard from the educators the importance of quiet and safe outdoor spaces, so we rotated the buildings to wrap around the central courtyards, creating nestled and activated outdoor spaces at the heart of this development.
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Speaker 6 (Community Hall): Finally, we heard from the neighbors to maximize setbacks from the shared
property line, so we shifted the southern buildings a minimum of 55 to 65 feet away from the shared
property line.
6500:08:28.615 --> 00:08:40.654Speaker 6 (Community Hall): In presenting back to the community how the overall site organization and building form was informed by their input, we received comments of support and appreciation. You can see that in the sticky notes in the bottom right of this slide.
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Speaker 6 (Community Hall): At the unit and amenity level, we gathered priorities from the educators and school district employee stakeholders to inform the design of our units for Phase 1.
6700:08:53.205 --> 00:09:07.894Speaker 6 (Community Hall): Based on this input, we have a range of unit types, including two-story
townhomes and flat apartments, all incorporating the top priorities of in-unit laundry, ample storage space,
open floor plans, and maximized natural daylight.
6800:09:10.355 --> 00:09:17.614Speaker 6 (Community Hall): Throughout the engagement with educators and community members, we gathered input and priorities related to common areas, both indoors and outdoors.
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Speaker 6 (Community Hall): These amenity preferences have been incorporated across the site, including
community rooms for gathering, a mix of smaller and larger community courtyards, protected play areas for
kid-friendly recreational spaces, as well as outdoor gaming spaces.
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Speaker 6 (Community Hall): We also incorporated over 900 linear feet of pedestrian and bike trail and a pet-friendly dog park that will be available to the residents as well as the broader Cupertino community.
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Speaker 6 (Community Hall): This rendered view of the central courtyard at the heart of the development
illustrates the range of outdoor spaces for all residents, with buildings wrapped around, providing sound
buffer and a sense of safety.
7200:09:59.075 --> 00:10:10.715Speaker 6 (Community Hall): The Tami and Anu Bike and pedestrian Trail will wrap around these new homes, providing active transportation and recreational opportunities for current Cupertino residents and future residents on this site.
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00:10:10.825 --> 00:10:17.224Speaker 6 (Community Hall): The building design includes key locations for public art, visible from the trail, activating building facades.
7400:10:19.025 --> 00:10:34.645Speaker 6 (Community Hall): And from Wolf Road, this view illustrates how this development will start to
frame the gateway into Cupertino along this main arterial road. The residential buildings scale up in size and
density along Wolf Road, while still incorporating a warm and familiar architectural style.
7500:10:35.075 --> 00:10:42.375Speaker 6 (Community Hall): With that, I'll pass it back to Andrea to acknowledge and speak to two lively topics that have been the focus throughout the community engagement process.
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Speaker 5 (Community Hall): Yes,
7700:10:45.220 --> 00:10:59.900Speaker 5 (Community Hall): very spirited conversation on these next two items, so I want to go into them a little bit more deeply, both of them regarding, connectivity, but the first, is regarding connectivity, really, for pedestrians and bikes, through the neighborhood.
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Speaker 5 (Community Hall): So we did hear, from a strong contingent of community members that were in
opposition to providing a bike and pet connection from this property through the sound wall to the Porter Toll neighborhood.
7900:11:13.500 --> 00:11:19.199Speaker 5 (Community Hall): And primarily citing concerns about safety, parking, and traffic.
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Speaker 5 (Community Hall): We heard, also strong feedback from the other side, of this issue in support of bike and pedestrian connection from this site to the Auburn and Merritt Road.
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00:11:30.960 --> 00:11:34.420Speaker 5 (Community Hall): Citing the benefits of walkability and connectivity.
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Speaker 5 (Community Hall): We provided a lot of space. Can you go back? That's okay.
8300:11:39.930 --> 00:11:48.440Speaker 5 (Community Hall): in our community meetings for, feedback, and you can see we got quite a bit on this specific, board regarding this. That's what all the sticky notes are.
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Speaker 5 (Community Hall): And currently, this housing project is eligible for by-right approval through the
Planning Commission, and a bike-ped connection like this would require approval through the City Council.
8500:12:00.200 --> 00:12:09.559Speaker 5 (Community Hall): So, since our focus is provide… is on providing critically needed housing for educators, first, and, other, lower-income families.
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Speaker 5 (Community Hall): We are not going to incorporate a bike and ped connection, through the shared
property line in our application at this time.
8700:12:17.700 --> 00:12:27.780Speaker 5 (Community Hall): Okay, next slide. Also, similar feedback and lots of lively, feedback on this, but this is regarding access for emergency vehicles.
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Speaker 5 (Community Hall): So, when both visas of the project are completed, the number of homes will be greater than 100,
8900:12:35.890 --> 00:12:44.160Speaker 5 (Community Hall): Which requires that we have two distinct and separate emergency access points, and this requirement is from the county fire department.
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00:12:44.470 --> 00:12:58.929Speaker 5 (Community Hall): So the primary emergency, and resident vehicle access point to the site is from Perimeter Road, and shown on the screen as 1A. There's a green checkmark there, which means, you know, that's where we're planning on having at least one.
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Speaker 5 (Community Hall): And we heard… but as mentioned earlier, we heard pretty early on from
neighbors that they really did not want an access point through the sound wall.
9200:13:08.900 --> 00:13:11.620Speaker 5 (Community Hall): So those are shown on 2E and 2F.
9300:13:12.390 --> 00:13:18.429Speaker 5 (Community Hall): So in response, we've put all, a bunch of options on the table, and that's what all of the different circles are.
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Speaker 5 (Community Hall): To try and figure out a way to,
9500:13:21.610 --> 00:13:31.190Speaker 5 (Community Hall): meet the requirement of the fire department. Some have been crossed off because they don't work, they don't meet the fire department's requirements for emergency access.
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Speaker 5 (Community Hall): That includes, 1B, 2A, 2D, and 2E.
9700:13:38.010 --> 00:13:53.119Speaker 5 (Community Hall): Options 2B, 2C, and 2F are still on the table, with 2B, being our priority option that we've been working on, and actively pursuing. However, this is something that we're having to work with Caltrans on.
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9900:14:00.390 --> 00:14:03.549Speaker 5 (Community Hall): individuals in Caltrans, but it has not yet been.
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10100:14:06.730 --> 00:14:13.489Speaker 5 (Community Hall): So, moving forward, we are here, kind of at the end of community engagement and entitlements.
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10300:14:27.970 --> 00:14:33.589Speaker 5 (Community Hall): Assuming all things go well, and we're able to line up funding, by the end of
2029.
10400:14:35.710 --> 00:14:39.380Speaker 5 (Community Hall): And that is the end of our formal presentation, but we…
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Speaker 2 (Community Hall): All right, thank you all so much for the presentation. So we'll begin with, City
Council questions.
10700:14:54.070 --> 00:14:56.350Speaker 2 (Community Hall): Do we have any requests to speak?
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Speaker 2 (Community Hall): If not, I can go out for public comment first, if you like? Sure. Would you
prefer? Okay, Madam City Clerk, do we have any members of the public who would like to comment on this
item?
10900:15:10.740 --> 00:15:16.710Speaker 2 (Community Hall): Yes, Mayor, at this time, I have 9 requests to speak in person.
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Speaker 7 (Community Hall): And at this time, I'm not seeing any hands raised virtually.
11100:15:22.400 --> 00:15:32.530Speaker 2 (Community Hall): So, in the interest of time, we'll limit the public comments to 2 minutes, because we have another meeting following this one, and we might have some council comments afterwards.
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Speaker 7 (Community Hall): Okay, thank you.
11300:15:35.990 --> 00:15:54.129Speaker 7 (Community Hall): Just a reminder, members of the public wishing to speak regarding this item shall submit a request to speak or raise their hand virtually within the first 9 minutes of the start of public comment, or before public comment period is closed, whichever comes first. So at this time, we're going to
call up Jennifer Griffin, followed by Corey Woolbuck.
11400:15:54.130 --> 00:15:56.309Speaker 7 (Community Hall): Followed by Peggy Griffin.
11500:15:56.890 --> 00:15:58.180Speaker 7 (Community Hall): Welcome, Jennifer.
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Speaker 8 (Community Hall): for having.
11800:16:13.469 --> 00:16:16.099Community Hall: as many meetings as they did. I went.
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00:16:16.100 --> 00:16:25.810Speaker 8 (Community Hall): to all of them, I think, and they were very, very helpful. They tried to address everyone's issues, find out where people were coming from.
12000:16:26.560 --> 00:16:33.149Speaker 8 (Community Hall): tried to understand the complicated issues in Cupertino. I'm sure they know
the…
12100:16:33.970 --> 00:16:42.429Speaker 8 (Community Hall): storied history of the site, with Valco, the previous owner, the current owner, the wall, etc, etc. This is all the
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Speaker 8 (Community Hall): Classic Cupertino history. And I'm very pleased with the project. I know there
are some issues, but I'm hoping that by the time this is delivered.
12300:16:53.240 --> 00:17:04.750Speaker 8 (Community Hall): To the site, that it will be something we can be extremely proud of, that the county can be proud of, and that people will have homes, children will have places to play.
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Speaker 8 (Community Hall): And that it will be a safe environment. I am not a proponent of having the wall
taken down. I sat through
12500:17:13.950 --> 00:17:15.500Speaker 8 (Community Hall): the multiple…
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Speaker 8 (Community Hall): meetings from 2005 on from the previous owner, who wanted to blast through
the wall. It was apparent from the get-go that the neighbors did not want this, and at that time, the mall
was active, and it was going to be providing
12700:17:32.370 --> 00:17:51.609Speaker 8 (Community Hall): parking for the mall in the neighborhood. Well, now we have a different situation, but I do think that the residents should be respected, and I… I think Perimeter Road is fine. I
worked at Tandem. We used to walk around perimeter all the time. I'm glad that that section, that is the…
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00:17:52.090 --> 00:18:04.619Speaker 8 (Community Hall): western side of the property is being fixed up because it was run down, really, the next to the Japanese restaurant. If I was a woman living at this complex and walking to Stevens Creek
Boulevard.
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Speaker 8 (Community Hall): I would have been terrified, I would have been attacked. Anyway, good luck, and please make sure there's adequate parking, but not in the neighborhood. Thank you.
13000:18:13.270 --> 00:18:20.390Speaker 7 (Community Hall): Thank you, Jennifer. Next, we have Corey Woolbach, followed by Peggy Griffin,
followed by Stuart Chesson. Welcome, Corey.
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Speaker 9 (Community Hall): I'm the Civic Leadership Manager at SV at Home. SV at Home is a nonprofit
which advocates for affordable housing throughout Santa Clara County. I'm here to express our really strong
support for the affordable housing development at 10333 North Wolf.
13300:18:45.870 --> 00:19:04.750Speaker 9 (Community Hall): This is a great opportunity to deliver much-needed affordable housing on publicly owned land. This project, as we know, is being developed by Eden Housing in partnership with the County of Santa Clara's Office of Supportive Housing. It leverages Measure A, and it advances our collective countywide commitment to addressing affordable housing and
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00:19:04.840 --> 00:19:08.460Speaker 9 (Community Hall): Really think this is a good project at the right time.
13500:19:08.960 --> 00:19:18.730Speaker 9 (Community Hall): It leverages public land for public good, aligns with regional housing and homelessness goals, and helps address Cupertino's ongoing housing shortage in a thoughtful and impactful
way.
13600:19:18.730 --> 00:19:33.199Speaker 9 (Community Hall): Eden Housing brings a really strong track record of actually delivering and managing high-quality affordable housing across the county, so we can be really confident that this project will get built, and it will be a long-term asset for the community of Cupertino.
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Speaker 9 (Community Hall): This project really reflects what we should be striving for. It's well-located,
community-supported, it's affordable housing that helps us meet our needs and goals. We encourage the
Council to provide supportive and thoughtful feedback, and we hope you'll help move this project forward. Thank you very much.
13800:19:51.450 --> 00:19:56.740Speaker 7 (Community Hall): Thank you, Corey. Next, we have Peggy Griffin, followed by Stuart Chesson,
followed by Pamela Hershey.
13900:19:57.090 --> 00:19:58.300Speaker 7 (Community Hall): Welcome, Peggy!
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Speaker 5 (Community Hall): Got some slides, Lise?
14100:20:05.645 --> 00:20:07.044Speaker 2 (Community Hall): Good evening, Mayor.
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Speaker 5 (Community Hall): Moore, Vice Mayor Chav, council members and staff, and county
representatives. I.
14300:20:13.425 --> 00:20:21.035Speaker 10 (Community Hall): thank them. I am in support of this project. I am not in support of breaching the wall for any reason.
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Speaker 10 (Community Hall): I am appreciative that you're going to submit your application without that in
it.
14500:20:27.735 --> 00:20:44.184Speaker 10 (Community Hall): I… and my reasons are safety for both the neighborhood and the project residents, large emergency vehicles going through the neighborhood. I think it's better to access it… access the project, in an area where the equipment is larger and
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00:20:44.805 --> 00:20:54.165Speaker 10 (Community Hall): can enter better. Prevent overflow parking for projects with inadequate parking resources. Noise prevention. The wall's called a sound wall.
14700:20:54.375 --> 00:20:55.165Speaker 10 (Community Hall): North,
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14900:20:56.015 --> 00:21:06.404Speaker 10 (Community Hall): as all areas along I-280 sound wall experience a significant amount of noise already. Opening the wall will just add to it.
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Speaker 10 (Community Hall): Opening the wall adds another way for access and escape.
15200:21:12.785 --> 00:21:22.364Speaker 10 (Community Hall): When some… when committing crimes, I encourage that the use of the
already planned bike and pedestrian trails, both, TM
15300:21:22.675 --> 00:21:34.505Speaker 10 (Community Hall): Tammy and Inu, and the Class 4 along Stevens Creek. The North Portal neighborhood submitted a petition
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Speaker 10 (Community Hall): I think it was about a year ago.
15500:21:37.235 --> 00:21:41.305Speaker 10 (Community Hall): And they got… Over 500 signatures.
15600:21:41.425 --> 00:21:56.215Speaker 10 (Community Hall): This is from the North Portal Neighbors. They did it in person, signed the
petition, and every dot represents one or more people above 18 or older. So, I request
15700:21:56.265 --> 00:22:02.305Speaker 10 (Community Hall): that the City Council please help the county to speed up securing the secondary access on Wolf Road?
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Speaker 10 (Community Hall): direct the project designers to not include an opening through the wall, and
encourage the use of both their teaming Inu Trail and
15900:22:11.675 --> 00:22:13.135Speaker 10 (Community Hall): Stevens Creek, thank you.
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Speaker 7 (Community Hall): Thank you, Peggy. Next, we have Stuart Chesson, followed by Pamela
Hershey, followed by Connie Cunningham. Welcome, Stuart.
16100:22:21.510 --> 00:22:28.190Speaker 7 (Community Hall): Thank you, Mayor and City Council. I wanted to report, that we're really in favor of this project.
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Speaker 11 (Community Hall): my local neighborhood, which is the Auburn, Drake, and Porto area, they've
shown favorable for this project, and they came to our block party about a year and a half ago, where they
presented this to the neighborhood there, and we've got very positive, feedback. Things that I think we need to follow up with
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00:22:50.540 --> 00:23:15.440Speaker 11 (Community Hall): is the bike trail along the 280 sound wall there. It's been on the books since 2016, so, and I know a lot of that's been the, county and, and the, waterways, on that, problems. But I think we need the push even more for that, because you're having even the, other project, down, down the way, the rise.
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00:23:15.440 --> 00:23:20.179Speaker 11 (Community Hall): That's gonna even be more people that will want a way to
16500:23:20.210 --> 00:23:34.209Speaker 11 (Community Hall): head west on the streets, and they probably don't prefer Stevens Creek, and they might like the alternative, as you saw with the Regnard Trail on that. So, this would be the best way to
go, and
16600:23:34.210 --> 00:23:48.050Speaker 11 (Community Hall): and it would be a win-win situation. Students going the bikeway would be then crossing where there are currently crossing guards. Sending them out through the wall would put them into where there's just stop signs and…
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Speaker 11 (Community Hall): Many people do the rolling stop. That isn't quite safe, for our students. So,
thank you very much.
16800:23:58.670 --> 00:23:59.759Speaker 7 (Community Hall): Thank you, Stuart.
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Speaker 7 (Community Hall): Next, we have Pamela Hershey, followed by Connie Cunningham, followed by
Alex Shore. Welcome, Pamela.
17000:24:06.290 --> 00:24:11.470Speaker 3 (Community Hall): Thank you. Good evening, Mayor, City Council, and City Staff. As all you all know, I'm very close.
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Speaker 12 (Community Hall): to, Portal Avenue, on Wheaton Drive that does actually
17200:24:15.300 --> 00:24:30.990Speaker 12 (Community Hall): end, one house over, is the sound wall, and so I'm very familiar with this. I've been here since 1967 in the city of Cupertino. So, even the site before Outback was Any Mountain, the ski shop, if anybody remembers that.
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Speaker 12 (Community Hall): I'm here for the safety of this… of the neighborhood. I have a personal example of what happened in front of my house because of dead ends, one house over. Someone parked in front in the evening, jumped over the fence, so there's no opening, but this person jumped over the sound
wall to Valco Mall.
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Speaker 12 (Community Hall): They robbed the jewelry store, jumped back over the wall, got in their car, and drove away.
17500:24:52.950 --> 00:24:56.989Speaker 12 (Community Hall): So that's an example. If they really want to break into the homes.
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Speaker 12 (Community Hall): the facilities, not just Eden Housing. Thank you so much, Eden Housing and Fora. We're very appreciative. We want the… we want the, housing. But the safety issue is there. People are going to live in those homes. It's going to be an easy escape if they can walk through that, park on the other side, get in their car, and drive away.
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Speaker 12 (Community Hall): I believe there was more than that exact one, but it's been quite a while,
about 20 years ago. But, like I said, it's firsthand that it did happen. I don't even know if they ever caught
the guy, but
17800:25:26.140 --> 00:25:40.620Speaker 12 (Community Hall): it's an easy access to get over through a wall… opening, get in your car, and drive away. And, hope that the police would agree with that. It's just too easy of an access. That's my safety. One of mine, there's many, but that's the main one. Thank you.
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18000:25:47.230 --> 00:25:48.520Speaker 7 (Community Hall): Welcome, Connie.
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18200:25:51.640 --> 00:25:55.630Speaker 7 (Community Hall): Good evening, Honorable Mayor, Vice Mayor, and Council Members.
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Speaker 7 (Community Hall): My name is Connie.
18400:25:57.080 --> 00:26:01.690Speaker 13 (Community Hall): Cunningham, I'm Chair of the Housing Commission, speaking on my own behalf this evening.
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Speaker 13 (Community Hall): I was so pleased on March 25th, 2024, when the County of Santa Clara identified this location, excuse me, for the development of homes for teachers and workers under the 2016 Measure A Affordable Housing Bond.
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Speaker 13 (Community Hall): Also, this site was selected as a Cupertino Housing Element site, so it is a city
priority as well.
18700:26:24.010 --> 00:26:30.890Speaker 13 (Community Hall): Santa Clara County is an excellent collaborator and partner for homes for educators and workers.
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Speaker 13 (Community Hall): Cupertino is not yet meeting its goals.
18900:26:34.280 --> 00:26:44.209Speaker 13 (Community Hall): Excuse me, for all incomes, including below market rate, under the housing element. I am excited to see this step forward on the proposed Eden Housing Project.
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Speaker 13 (Community Hall): I commend Santa Clara County and their architect firm, Fora, for their commitment to deep community engagement, including the educators. They incorporated community feedback into its attractive design.
19100:26:57.940 --> 00:27:12.849Speaker 13 (Community Hall): Transportation, as you've heard, is a critically important aspect of this
location. This project, I believe, needs to integrate with existing neighborhoods, rather than keeping walls,
fences, or gates that stop growth of community.
19200:27:13.120 --> 00:27:19.909Speaker 13 (Community Hall): Major concern is the emergency vehicle plan, because it will discourage the bikeability and walkability of this development.
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Speaker 13 (Community Hall): The Portal Neighborhood is the most likely location of schools that the new
neighborhood children will attend.
19400:27:26.640 --> 00:27:41.679Speaker 13 (Community Hall): And that is something that Cupertino is well known for, is its excellent schools, and so having the opportunity to have these schools have enough students to continue their education is just wonderful, and I think a huge priority.
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Speaker 13 (Community Hall): Good idea is the higher number of bike parking spaces included in the project, especially for the site being near the, Plantimean Innu Trail.
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Speaker 7 (Community Hall): Next, we have Alex Shore, followed by Jean Bedoured, followed by Venkat
Raghanathan.
19800:28:08.125 --> 00:28:09.435Speaker 7 (Community Hall): Welcome, Alex.
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Speaker 7 (Community Hall): Thank you, Councilmembers. My name is Alex Shore, I'm the Executive
Director of Catalyze Silicon Valley.
20000:28:18.160 --> 00:28:20.639Speaker 14 (Community Hall): I hope you received our letter yesterday.
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Speaker 14 (Community Hall): I wanted to introduce our organization a little bit. We work to create
sustainable, equitable, and vibrant places for people in Silicon Valley.
20200:28:30.150 --> 00:28:35.600Speaker 14 (Community Hall): Since our earliest days, Cupertino residents have been Catalyze SV members.
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Speaker 14 (Community Hall): And we live across Silicon Valley, and we prioritize solving regional problems
like our housing shortage.
20400:28:43.880 --> 00:28:48.660Speaker 14 (Community Hall): We've scored development projects in multiple neighboring cities.
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Speaker 14 (Community Hall): And we've been looking for opportunities to get involved in a project in
Cupertino.
20600:28:53.300 --> 00:28:59.759Speaker 14 (Community Hall): Thanks to our friends at Cupertino for All, we partnered together to evaluate this project.
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Speaker 14 (Community Hall): Catalyze SV members scored it a 4.1 out of 5, which is eligible for our support, so we want to emphasize tonight our support for this project, which scored even higher among Cupertino for All members.
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00:29:13.410 --> 00:29:22.780Speaker 14 (Community Hall): Where it scored the highest was in the engagement category. We commend FORA for its efforts. They are one of the best in our region at community engagement.
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Speaker 14 (Community Hall): And we want to thank them for adding solar panels to Building 7, which is in
line with the feedback from Cupertino for All and Catalyze SV.
21000:29:32.000 --> 00:29:39.759Speaker 14 (Community Hall): Tonight, we urge you as a council to add the bike-pedestrian connection between this project and the Port Hall neighborhood.
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Speaker 14 (Community Hall): This new trail that is part of the city will benefit from having this connection, and if we want more people walking and biking, we need to build infrastructure to allow that. More people walking and biking actually makes neighborhoods safer.
21200:29:55.690 --> 00:29:59.269Speaker 14 (Community Hall): We also would welcome seeing the housing density increased.
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00:29:59.870 --> 00:30:13.479Speaker 14 (Community Hall): And the AMI levels of affordability at levels closer to 80% of the AMI or lower, because those are the folks in our community who need housing the most. Thank you, Council, for your support of this project, and thank you, the county.
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Speaker 7 (Community Hall): Thank you, Alex. Next, we have Jean Bedoured, followed by Venkat
Raghanathan and Luis Sadati. Welcome, Jean.
21500:30:24.380 --> 00:30:26.279Speaker 2 (Community Hall): Good evening. My name is Jean Badju.
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Speaker 10 (Community Hall): ignored, and I am a Cupertino resident.
21700:30:29.070 --> 00:30:30.840Speaker 8 (Community Hall): I'm speaking tonight to command.
21800:30:30.840 --> 00:30:38.630Speaker 10 (Community Hall): the Santa Clara Office of Supportive Housing, Eden Housing, and FORA for
this excellent project.
21900:30:38.950 --> 00:30:50.490Speaker 15 (Community Hall): Over the past two years, I have attended many of the community outreach events and have been impressed by the evolution of the housing project. They've truly listened.
22000:30:51.910 --> 00:30:55.630Speaker 15 (Community Hall): There is one piece of unfinished business for the Council.
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Speaker 15 (Community Hall): This site is very difficult, tucked between 280 and the proposed RISE
development, which we all know as Valco.
22200:31:04.470 --> 00:31:06.020Speaker 15 (Community Hall): The fire marshal.
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Speaker 15 (Community Hall): rightly so, requires a second emergency access route. The obvious location is
to connect the project to the dead-end Auburn Drive cul-de-sac.
22400:31:18.620 --> 00:31:23.859Speaker 15 (Community Hall): This project is public and funded by our tax dollars.
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Speaker 15 (Community Hall): Auburn Drive is a public right-of-way.
22600:31:28.390 --> 00:31:40.919Speaker 15 (Community Hall): Connection between the two for public access via walking and bicycles, in addition to a locked security gate for emergency access, makes sense.
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Speaker 15 (Community Hall): The alternative is a convoluted approach that has not been blessed by
Caltrans, and violates all reasonable access for students and bicyclists, as well as walkers.
22800:31:54.430 --> 00:31:59.270Speaker 15 (Community Hall): It doesn't connect to the Tamien Innu Trail, a major city project.
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Speaker 15 (Community Hall): As a resident, I urge the Council to look at the bigger picture of public rights
and public access, rather than just the handful of property owners immediately adjacent to the wall.
23000:32:13.380 --> 00:32:17.410Speaker 15 (Community Hall): We heard the same arguments against the Ragnarok Creek Trail.
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Speaker 15 (Community Hall): And it has been an outstanding success for the community.
23200:32:22.540 --> 00:32:25.100Speaker 15 (Community Hall): Thank you for the opportunity to speak.
23300:32:26.070 --> 00:32:32.070Speaker 7 (Community Hall): Thank you, Jean. Next, we have Venkat Raghanathan and Luis Sadati. Welcome, Vankat.
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Speaker 5 (Community Hall): Good evening, City Council.
23500:32:37.000 --> 00:32:47.669Speaker 5 (Community Hall): I'm Venka Tranganathan, a long-time resident. I don't want to… I want to congratulate the Aden Housing for their wonderful project, but I want to focus.
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Speaker 16 (Community Hall): On the emergency exit on the bike.
23700:32:49.840 --> 00:32:54.900Speaker 16 (Community Hall): water permeability as a resident of this particular neighborhood.
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Speaker 16 (Community Hall): We understand the concern regarding the emergency exit and process, and
also the bike pathway suggestions that have come.
23900:33:07.550 --> 00:33:08.810Speaker 16 (Community Hall): But,
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Speaker 16 (Community Hall): What we want from the residents of this locality are safety and traffic
reduction that would be entailed by not following up with our petitions, our,
24100:33:26.030 --> 00:33:33.340Speaker 16 (Community Hall): our presentations and discussions in the many workshops and meetings we had with the Aiden Housing.
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Speaker 16 (Community Hall): Emergency-only routes are helpful if they use
24300:33:39.110 --> 00:33:45.370Speaker 16 (Community Hall): fast paths, like, out of… from the freeway, they reduce cut-through traffic.
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Speaker 16 (Community Hall): And, improve emergency response times if they go… doesn't… if they don't go
through the neighborhoods. And,
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Speaker 16 (Community Hall): they minimize crash risks if you are… if they are going through the,
neighborhood. That's also a consideration. And these are things we have, presented before.
24600:34:05.560 --> 00:34:15.379Speaker 16 (Community Hall): So, while we are committed to maintaining permeability, walkability, etc.
through the, through the neighborhood, connectivity and safety
24700:34:15.500 --> 00:34:19.969Speaker 16 (Community Hall): Or of prime importance to the residents there. And, we would…
24800:34:20.010 --> 00:34:37.700Speaker 16 (Community Hall): We have also, you know, been communicating with Caltrans regarding this
through our representatives, so I think that project will come through, hopefully, and we would love if the
City Council and Planning Commission can help advance that through the influence. Thank you.
24900:34:38.110 --> 00:34:38.909Speaker 7 (Community Hall): Thank you.
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Speaker 7 (Community Hall): Next, we have Luis Sadotti. Welcome, Louise.
25100:34:41.989 --> 00:34:46.680Speaker 7 (Community Hall): Hello! Thank you for being here tonight, everybody, on this beautiful day.
25200:34:47.300 --> 00:34:48.280Speaker 7 (Community Hall): I'm joining.
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25400:34:56.659 --> 00:35:10.490Speaker 17 (Community Hall): This is a housing element site, and must be expedited in order to help meet
the HCD requirements for housing, including below-market housing by the deadline in June 2026.
25500:35:10.740 --> 00:35:17.440Speaker 17 (Community Hall): Most school employees don't make high salaries, and we need to make affordable housing available to them.
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Speaker 17 (Community Hall): The project needs to integrate with adjacent neighborhoods rather than
having walls that stop the growth of the community and promoting silos.
25700:35:28.690 --> 00:35:38.319Speaker 17 (Community Hall): We need to increase the bikeability and walkability of this development
through the Portal neighborhood, including for the school children.
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Speaker 17 (Community Hall): Areas that have cars speeding by on interrupted sidewalks need to be improved for safe walking and biking.
25900:35:46.930 --> 00:36:03.000Speaker 17 (Community Hall): Could the Council also focus on completing the transportation plan for this
project? Could coordination with VTA enable the improvement of the VTA bus service on Line 56, which is .5
miles from the site?
26000:36:03.010 --> 00:36:08.340Speaker 17 (Community Hall): Could transit passes be made available for residents to encourage transit use?
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Speaker 17 (Community Hall): I would like to commend the County of Santa Clara and the architect firm,
Fora, for the
26200:36:15.560 --> 00:36:17.889Speaker 17 (Community Hall): Community engagement they have made.
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Speaker 17 (Community Hall): Thank you for your service in making our city and its communities safer and
more integrated and open. Thank you.
26400:36:28.780 --> 00:36:29.780Speaker 7 (Community Hall): Thank you, Louise.
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Speaker 7 (Community Hall): Mayor, I do see one hand raised virtually, but that hand was raised after the 9-
minute cutoff, so that concludes the request to speak on this item.
26600:36:40.120 --> 00:36:46.159Speaker 2 (Community Hall): Alright, thank you, are there some questions or comments from the Council at this time?
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Speaker 2 (Community Hall): Okay, well, I'll just ask a question. With regards to the existing, sound wall
that, there are some gaps along the 280 currently, and then when you get to your project site, there…
there's a missing sound wall. So, do you have some plan for that issue?
26800:37:16.280 --> 00:37:20.709Speaker 6 (Community Hall): Yes, let me go back to the site plan slide.
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Speaker 6 (Community Hall): So we have to do a little bit of both. We want to…
27000:37:26.240 --> 00:37:42.900Speaker 6 (Community Hall): complete the sound wall to protect… to provide more sound buffer for the residents. However, we also need to penetrate through the sound wall to allow, bike and ped connection
through the Tammy and a new trail. So the very north portion, the sound wall will be right on the property
line.
27100:37:43.000 --> 00:37:58.550Speaker 6 (Community Hall): Providing a buffer with the highway right across the off-ramp there. And then further down along most of the eastern boundary, the sound wall will be along the east… the eastern, property line outside of the… the Tamminu Trail, and there'll be a little bit of a
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Speaker 6 (Community Hall): Overlapping the sound walls where the trail will exit the site on the north, kind
of northwest corner… northeast corner, sorry.
27300:38:06.440 --> 00:38:18.210Speaker 6 (Community Hall): In addition, the exterior walls and windows of all of the buildings will be designed to a higher sound insulation rating to provide comfortable living environments for our residents.
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Speaker 2 (Community Hall): Okay, so it sounds like this… the… the Tamian Innu Trail is… is going to be pretty integral to your project, and I'm hoping that there's some way that there can be some coordination with VTA through the county, in order to try to secure funding for… for… for all of that. And hopefully.
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Speaker 2 (Community Hall): when you're looking into the sound wall extension, that the gap that's closer
to, like, the Blaney area, can be, also worked on and closed, because that's a significant, noise source there,
and it makes, to me, sense that you would ask for both at the same time, because the other one might not
ever, ever get fixed.
27600:39:01.895 --> 00:39:04.475Speaker 2 (Community Hall): And I see a hand raised by Councilmember Fruen.
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Speaker 2 (Community Hall): Thank you.
27800:39:11.045 --> 00:39:16.934Speaker 2 (Community Hall): So I know that the preferred option at the moment is the secondary…
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Speaker 18 (Community Hall): emergency access, that doesn't go through the neighborhood. But in the
event that the only option, ultimately, is one that goes through Auburn, has there been any consideration
given to some sort of emergency access gate so that there isn't cut-through traffic through the neighborhood?
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Speaker 18 (Community Hall): Okay. Alright, and then similarly, you know, it's unfortunate there's still a lot
of difference of opinion on whether there should be
28200:39:55.050 --> 00:39:59.490Speaker 18 (Community Hall): pedestrian and bicycle access through the wall, I get that people…
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Speaker 18 (Community Hall): are concerned about transit through this space, but it would be nice if we
could perhaps explore the potential, at least for a card-controlled access gate for just pedestrians.
28400:40:11.210 --> 00:40:23.939Speaker 18 (Community Hall): That would only be available to people in both of those neighborhoods. I don't know if that's something that you've explored, if it's something that has arisen in the course of your conversations, but frankly, if I lived in the existing neighborhood.
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Speaker 18 (Community Hall): segregating the folks who live in this new housing, and making it a lot harder
for them to get to local schools. So, if there's any comment on that, I'd appreciate it.
28700:40:49.050 --> 00:40:50.040Speaker 18 (Community Hall): I don't care.
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Speaker 4 (Community Hall): Thanks, Sarah. Thank you, Councilmember Frim, for the question. It's
something we're happy to explore, as I think, Andrea mentioned in the presentation, because, you know,
fundamentally what we're doing here is focus on affordable housing, specifically on the workforce housing.
That
28900:41:15.900 --> 00:41:32.729Speaker 4 (Community Hall): requirement for the wall would require your approval and delay our project, given the… you heard the mix of comments from the community, and so we're happy to explore what that
could look like and provide that to city staff, with the understanding that it's not currently in our proposed
submission for… for plan review.
29000:41:32.735 --> 00:41:39.885Speaker 18 (Community Hall): Is it something that you would need some additional funding from us to help
support, or is it something that you would just need city support for in general?
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Speaker 4 (Community Hall): take that back to the team, and I think you're asking us to look at what that could mean, so we need to go back and explore that.
29200:41:47.735 --> 00:41:52.994Speaker 18 (Community Hall): That'd be great, because it'd be wonderful to convene folks in the
neighborhood and see what their thoughts are, ultimately.
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29400:42:00.800 --> 00:42:06.070Speaker 2 (Community Hall): Oh, thank you. So, could you put, that slide you showed earlier?
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Speaker 2 (Community Hall): on…
29600:42:12.230 --> 00:42:28.390Speaker 19 (Community Hall): So my question is about the setback. I appreciate… I really appreciate all your… the community engagement you have done. It's really on the best that we've seen around. No, the
other one that you showed for…
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Speaker 19 (Community Hall): for the lower part to further back, but then I see that the setback for the
northern portion is still closer to the single-family home, so how far are they from the
29900:42:51.150 --> 00:42:52.200Speaker 19 (Community Hall): the wall.
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Speaker 6 (Community Hall): So, Building 1 is at the top on the northern part of the site, and it's about 18
and a half feet off of the property line, and that's about as far as we could adjust it away from the property
line to still allow for us to keep the units.
30100:43:10.495 --> 00:43:13.495Speaker 19 (Community Hall): Yeah, so how… how many stories are… Great question.
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Speaker 6 (Community Hall): It was a three-story building, so we're trying to really scale down at the
northern portion of the site where we are a little closer to the shared property line.
30300:43:20.590 --> 00:43:28.659Speaker 19 (Community Hall): But then there will be windows facing the neighborhood, and people could still be looking into backyard. We studied.
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00:43:28.660 --> 00:43:39.170Speaker 6 (Community Hall): that very closely and, tried to minimize the amount of windows. There's also, if you'll recall out on the site, there's a lot of very mature redwood trees along that shared property line.
30500:43:39.170 --> 00:43:44.249Speaker 19 (Community Hall): So, the redwood trees will be preserved, correct. Okay.
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00:43:44.255 --> 00:43:47.844Speaker 6 (Community Hall): That's great. Or even adding in a few new trees where there's gaps.
30700:43:48.120 --> 00:43:50.130Speaker 19 (Community Hall): Okay, great, thank you.
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Speaker 19 (Community Hall): So then, for the emergency exit, and understand this project is by-right approval. However, if you have not identified the second emergency exit, how can this project be approved through by-right approval?
30900:44:09.380 --> 00:44:10.740Speaker 19 (Community Hall): How would that work?
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00:44:19.880 --> 00:44:20.750Speaker 4 (Community Hall): Thank you.
31100:44:26.080 --> 00:44:27.670Speaker 4 (Community Hall): Maybe this is better, yes.
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Speaker 4 (Community Hall): But thank you.
31300:44:33.890 --> 00:44:46.029Speaker 4 (Community Hall): Thank you so much for the question. I think we mentioned in this slide that it is a two-phase project, and the fire department requires two emergency exits when both are built.
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Speaker 4 (Community Hall): And so, from a planning commission perspective, and I know City staff is here if you wanted to understand more of the process questions… Oh, so the first phase…
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Speaker 19 (Community Hall): doesn't have only 94 units, so it doesn't trigger the second exit. Correct.
31600:45:01.485 --> 00:45:17.985Speaker 4 (Community Hall): And our understanding is, from a land use perspective, it would be subject to
conditions of approval, and so the project can move forward from a land use perspective, and then a
building permit would be required. We would be required to demonstrate that we have.
31700:45:17.985 --> 00:45:29.525Speaker 19 (Community Hall): That's fine. So, for 2C, option 2C, which goes through the VOLCO project, do we know whether the…
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Speaker 19 (Community Hall): the current third version revision of the Rock Hall project would be able to
support to see based on their configuration.
31900:45:41.080 --> 00:45:47.749Speaker 4 (Community Hall): We, are still in discussions with the owner. We have not settled that conversation.
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Speaker 19 (Community Hall): We just need their permission, but would the current there, road
configuration allow it?
32100:45:53.755 --> 00:45:59.384Speaker 4 (Community Hall): It's a discussion. I know that they resubmitted their application recently. Which is already.
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Speaker 19 (Community Hall): approved. Oh. Yeah, so… Were you… when did you talk to the owner? We were in discussion.
32300:46:05.395 --> 00:46:14.085Speaker 4 (Community Hall): with them. We have a follow-up meeting that we need… that we're working on
scheduling. They're not here, and so I don't want to speak on their behalf, but we are in touch with them.
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00:46:14.395 --> 00:46:20.365Speaker 19 (Community Hall): Okay, and then for 2B, which would require the CalChan approval.
32500:46:20.545 --> 00:46:32.055Speaker 19 (Community Hall): what can the city do to help with that option? We know that we have just
approved a project to redesign this interchange.
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00:46:33.400 --> 00:46:51.060Speaker 4 (Community Hall): Thank you for the question. Your staff has been amazing. They have submitted a letter of support when we had to resubmit our Caltrans request. At this point, I feel city staff and the
Council have done everything we've needed up to the state that Caltrans has requested of us.
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Speaker 19 (Community Hall): If they allow this emergency exit, would that require a redesign of the project that's being… so it would not require a redesign of the interchange that's being implemented? No, we've been…
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Speaker 4 (Community Hall): planning, and I'm happy to.
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00:47:08.425 --> 00:47:12.064Speaker 19 (Community Hall): Not your project, I mean the 280 interchange.
33000:47:12.065 --> 00:47:18.135Speaker 4 (Community Hall): I'm happy to bring Sarah back up here, who can talk to you about the
interchange project. Okay, great.
331
00:47:20.970 --> 00:47:21.723Community Hall: Who cares?
33200:47:26.550 --> 00:47:32.930Speaker 6 (Community Hall): We've been working closely with the design team that's working on the VTAs,
over,
333
00:47:33.090 --> 00:47:48.870Speaker 6 (Community Hall): overpass project, and they have a pedestrian bike entrance off of Wolf Road, right where our proposed secondary emergency access would be, and so we've already worked through with them what the modifications would be to make it also an emergency vehicle access point.
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Speaker 6 (Community Hall): So that plan is in review with Caltrans right now. Oh, great.
33500:47:53.630 --> 00:48:11.690Speaker 19 (Community Hall): Thank you. Then another question is, for educator housing, this is wonderful. So they will be… all of the employees of, schools in Santa Clara County will be eligible. Is this only K-12 schools?
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Speaker 19 (Community Hall): Or also college, community college?
33700:48:18.925 --> 00:48:24.185Speaker 5 (Community Hall): It includes those two community colleges along with the 13 K-12 districts.
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Speaker 19 (Community Hall): Do they have to maintain their employment with the school district if they
leave or retire? Would they then not be eligible?
33900:48:33.945 --> 00:48:34.545Speaker 5 (Community Hall): I think…
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Speaker 5 (Community Hall): they will, I think, be able to stay as long as they meet those qualifications when they move in.
34100:48:41.730 --> 00:48:50.849Speaker 19 (Community Hall): So if they move… when they move in, they are employed, but then they can change their employment. They still get to keep the unit.
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00:48:52.140 --> 00:48:53.899Speaker 19 (Community Hall): For their lifetime.
34300:48:54.995 --> 00:48:55.715Speaker 2 (Community Hall): Okay.
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Speaker 5 (Community Hall): Yeah, we are still working on that program, but it's very complicated because it involves, you know, tenancy and state law, so we're working on that.
34500:49:04.350 --> 00:49:06.770Speaker 19 (Community Hall): Okay, thank you.
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Speaker 2 (Community Hall): Hey, thank you. Councilmember Mohan.
34700:49:10.060 --> 00:49:16.309Speaker 2 (Community Hall): Yeah, thank you. Thank you for the great report. I was particularly fascinated by the.
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Speaker 20 (Community Hall): the different stages of your overall design. You know, you started with a small cluster of buildings, and then you amended it, you broke it up into several other buildings, and then you reduced the building height.
34900:49:31.820 --> 00:49:43.340Speaker 20 (Community Hall): And then you increase the setback, so, it's, it's, I wanted to commend you on,
listening to the comments you, received.
35000:49:43.630 --> 00:49:56.609Speaker 20 (Community Hall): and modifying, the project as you went along in response to the comments. So… so thank you for that. My other question has, I think, been answered. The…
35100:49:56.720 --> 00:50:12.700Speaker 20 (Community Hall): the… the urban, wall access, etc, will be, will come up again in the Phase 2 application, that, or… or some other alternative that you propose. And you are not,
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Speaker 20 (Community Hall): Talking about that at this phase, is that correct?
35300:50:19.070 --> 00:50:33.590Speaker 5 (Community Hall): We, it's our understanding that that would be a condition of approval. Once we get over the 100 units, that we would have to have a second emergency vehicle access point, once we have more than 100 units at that location.
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00:50:33.700 --> 00:50:43.340Speaker 5 (Community Hall): So that would be the second phase. At the moment, we are still focused on the Caltrans, option, but if we have to
35500:50:43.610 --> 00:50:50.859Speaker 5 (Community Hall): abandon that and go to another one, we would come back, likely, to you to get
that other option approved.
35600:50:51.320 --> 00:50:55.500Speaker 20 (Community Hall): Okay, so for now, it hasn't been abandoned, or… not abandoned.
35700:50:55.790 --> 00:51:01.100Speaker 5 (Community Hall): No, we're still actively working on the Caltrans option. Great. As our preferred
option.
35800:51:01.270 --> 00:51:02.590Speaker 5 (Community Hall): Okay, thank you.
35900:51:04.400 --> 00:51:16.530Speaker 2 (Community Hall): Thank you. With regards to this second, fire access, it is my understanding that
the fire marshal can make a determination, if there are some functional equivalent,
36000:51:16.530 --> 00:51:37.449Speaker 2 (Community Hall): methods for this project. So, it is my preference that they use the Wolf Road entrance, and to not breach the wall. We're spending, it'll be a multi-million dollar project for the Tamian Innu Trail. We're already spending over $3 million on protected bike lanes on Stevens Creek Boulevard.
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Speaker 2 (Community Hall): In my opinion, the neighborhood travel of a fire truck through the residential
streets with parked cars. You've got some schools in that area, multiple stop signs is…
36200:51:49.410 --> 00:52:13.059
Speaker 2 (Community Hall): not only going to be more dangerous, but it's also going to be slower, because
they have signal prioritization for the fire truck going down Stevens Creek Boulevard and getting to Perimeter Road or to, Wolf Road. I do like the idea of the VTA bus passes and whatever we can do with this project to encourage VTA ridership would be greatly appreciated.
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Speaker 2 (Community Hall): The rise, however, the concern there is that it's under-parked, and if you add a
gate,
36400:52:20.380 --> 00:52:45.109Speaker 2 (Community Hall): those individuals, especially if they have unbundled parking, are going to want to park on the residential streets and not pay for the extra charge for their apartment complex to have their car parked on-site. So, that's really the issue there, is that impact, along with the… whether it's safe to have
the fire truck going through that neighborhood, and that's something the fire
36500:52:45.110 --> 00:52:48.260Speaker 2 (Community Hall): commercial will be evaluating as well.
36600:52:49.360 --> 00:52:59.409Speaker 2 (Community Hall): So I wanted to provide that input, and next we have, Vice Mayor, and we will
be, cutting off very soon, because we have our next meeting, so please make it brief.
36700:52:59.890 --> 00:53:10.790Speaker 19 (Community Hall): Yeah, so for the VOCO project, that project itself would require two emergency exits also, right? And then wouldn't…
36800:53:10.960 --> 00:53:15.870
Speaker 19 (Community Hall): Wouldn't those two emergency exits also provide access?
36900:53:16.250 --> 00:53:22.069Speaker 19 (Community Hall): likely to the Wolf Road project. Have you looked into that?
37000:53:23.570 --> 00:53:26.049Speaker 19 (Community Hall): Their emergency exit route.
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00:53:30.530 --> 00:53:39.979Speaker 6 (Community Hall): I can't speak to the RISE project, but I do agree it's of a scale that likely does trigger the second emergency access requirement. The issue with our site is that,
37200:53:40.160 --> 00:53:48.109Speaker 6 (Community Hall): the access roads converge on Perimeter Road, and so it turns into only one
access point to our site on Perimeter Road.
37300:53:48.115 --> 00:53:51.355Speaker 19 (Community Hall): There are two points of access for us through Velco.
374
00:53:51.725 --> 00:53:56.305Speaker 19 (Community Hall): It's just, through your site, it turned into one. Right.
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Speaker 19 (Community Hall): Yes, yes. So if you consider Vocal and Wolf Road as one project for that
project, combined project has two exits.
37600:54:08.160 --> 00:54:10.850Speaker 6 (Community Hall): I just don't know how the fire department sees it.
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Speaker 19 (Community Hall): No, but then it's possible that they can view it that way, and then can…
because essentially, Vocal Project is more… has even more number of units, and then…
37800:54:24.125 --> 00:54:29.335Speaker 19 (Community Hall): They actually, even though they have two… excess, but…
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Speaker 19 (Community Hall): Yeah, this is not really adding more units to that entire project.
38000:54:35.245 --> 00:54:38.245Speaker 6 (Community Hall): We can present that line of logic to them, yes, thank you.
38100:54:38.245 --> 00:54:46.034
Speaker 19 (Community Hall): Yeah, so maybe they can find that this will be equivalent in terms of fire
access and fire safety.
38200:54:46.435 --> 00:55:03.354Speaker 19 (Community Hall): Yeah, okay. And I have a question about what happened to… what happens to all these petitions that people sign? 500 people sign the petition. Are we entering them into any kind of record for the project?
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Speaker 19 (Community Hall): Do I know?
38400:55:07.265 --> 00:55:10.785Speaker 19 (Community Hall): Maybe we can follow up on that, yeah. Thank you.
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Speaker 2 (Community Hall): Okay, so we're coming up on… we have 5 minutes to our next meeting.
Councilmember Fruen,
38600:55:16.810 --> 00:55:23.999Speaker 18 (Community Hall): I'll be quick. So I certainly understand the parking concern. We do have a
residential parking permit program.
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Speaker 18 (Community Hall): There are plenty of analogs for it in other cities. In and around, Santana Row and Valley Fair, almost everything has restricted parking for residents, and it seems to work quite well in a city that doesn't do a particularly good job of enforcing its parking restrictions. We've historically done much better, so…
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Speaker 18 (Community Hall): to the extent that if there were any opening, that there's a necessity to
restrict the parking there for the residents, I think that's something that we can look at.
38900:55:51.080 --> 00:56:05.169Speaker 2 (Community Hall): Thank you. I believe the residents have to pay for those permits. And with that, I want to thank Consuela, Andrea, and Sarah for the great presentation and chance to look at this project, and we look forward to seeing it move forward. Thank you.
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Speaker 2 (Community Hall): And that is our one item for the special meeting. And with that, this meeting is adjourned.
39101:01:02.160 --> 01:01:04.700Speaker 7 (Community Hall): Just checking with video.
392
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Speaker 7 (Community Hall): If it's not making.
39301:01:12.930 --> 01:01:15.640R "Ray" Wang, Councilmember: Hello, Lauren, I can't get on video, they have me off.
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Speaker 7 (Community Hall): Okay, Mayor, we are live. Okay.
39501:01:22.305 --> 01:01:33.455Speaker 2 (Community Hall): Good evening. It is 647. I call this March 17th, 2026, St. Patrick's Day Regular Meeting of the Cupertino City Council to order.
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Speaker 2 (Community Hall): Please rise for the Pledge of Allegiance.
39701:01:39.215 --> 01:01:41.004Speaker 2 (Community Hall): I pledge allegiance to the flag…
398
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Speaker 19 (Community Hall): of the United States of America.
39901:01:44.365 --> 01:01:47.005Speaker 7 (Community Hall): for Indigenous citizens, one nation.
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Speaker 19 (Community Hall): under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.
40101:01:59.200 --> 01:02:01.429Speaker 2 (Community Hall): Madam City Clerk, will you please call the roll?
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Speaker 7 (Community Hall): Councilmember Fruen? Here. Councilmember Mohan?
40301:02:06.320 --> 01:02:08.670Speaker 7 (Community Hall): Here. Councilmember Wong?
40401:02:09.350 --> 01:02:10.040
R "Ray" Wang, Councilmember: Fair.
405
01:02:10.460 --> 01:02:10.980Speaker 7 (Community Hall): Oh.
40601:02:11.170 --> 01:02:14.060Speaker 7 (Community Hall): Councilmember Wong, I believe you are muted.
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R "Ray" Wang, Councilmember: I'm here, can you hear me alright?
40801:02:16.910 --> 01:02:19.890Speaker 7 (Community Hall): We… we cannot hear you.
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R "Ray" Wang, Councilmember: You cannot hear me?
41001:02:20.680 --> 01:02:22.080Speaker 7 (Community Hall): Oh, we can hear you now.
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R "Ray" Wang, Councilmember: Can't hear me now? Thank you, I'm here.
41201:02:24.020 --> 01:02:36.659Speaker 7 (Community Hall): Thank you. Vice Mayor Chao? Here. Mayor Moore? Here. Okay, thank you. And, Mayor, Vice Mayor, and Councilmembers, as a reminder, Councilmember Wong is participating remotely
this evening.
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Speaker 7 (Community Hall): Councilmember Wong, I have a series of our normal questions for you. Can you confirm that you are in the lobby of the Rosewood Hotel in Menlo Park this evening?
41401:02:46.060 --> 01:02:47.040R "Ray" Wang, Councilmember: Yes, I am.
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Speaker 7 (Community Hall): Thank you. And can you confirm that you have posted the agenda at your location?
41601:02:52.280 --> 01:02:54.930R "Ray" Wang, Councilmember: Yes, we have. That is right here.
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Speaker 7 (Community Hall): Councilmember Wong, are there any individuals over the age of 18 with you, and has anyone indicated to you that they intend to make public comment or address the Council?
41801:03:04.590 --> 01:03:07.039R "Ray" Wang, Councilmember: I'm looking around, and I do not see anybody here.
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Speaker 7 (Community Hall): Thank you.
42001:03:08.790 --> 01:03:27.550Speaker 7 (Community Hall): I'll rely on you to notify us if any member of the public wishes to speak from your location this evening. And as a reminder, your location will need to remain active for the duration of this
meeting. If you step away from your remote location, please let us know, and please make an
announcement if you return to the meeting. Thank you so much.
42101:03:28.400 --> 01:03:29.100R "Ray" Wang, Councilmember: Thank you.
42201:03:30.300 --> 01:03:34.339
Speaker 2 (Community Hall): All right, thank you. Madam City Attorney, do we have any closed session
reports?
42301:03:34.760 --> 01:03:46.409Speaker 2 (Community Hall): We had no closed session this evening, thank you, so no report. Okay. Madam City Clerk, do we have any postponements of orders, or orders of the day? I do have one, if you do not have any at this time.
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Speaker 2 (Community Hall): Okay, so, I would like to move item 12, the Evilich, project, to April 1st at 6.30
PM.
42501:03:59.180 --> 01:04:00.549Speaker 2 (Community Hall): Do I have a second?
426
01:04:02.130 --> 01:04:03.050Speaker 20 (Community Hall): Oh, second.
42701:04:03.050 --> 01:04:03.440R "Ray" Wang, Councilmember: Second.
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Speaker 20 (Community Hall): Oh.
42901:04:05.970 --> 01:04:06.470Speaker 20 (Community Hall): Thanks.
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Speaker 7 (Community Hall): City Clerk? I believe that was Mohan?
43101:04:08.995 --> 01:04:09.545Speaker 7 (Community Hall): Okay.
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Speaker 2 (Community Hall): Okay,
43301:04:12.000 --> 01:04:20.330Speaker 2 (Community Hall): And we don't go out for public comment or speak on this item, we simply go straight to the vote. Okay, Madam City, Clerk, will you please conduct the roll call vote?
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Speaker 7 (Community Hall): Councilmember Fruen.
43501:04:24.720 --> 01:04:26.970Speaker 7 (Community Hall): Councilmember Mohan? Aye.
43601:04:27.840 --> 01:04:29.059
Speaker 7 (Community Hall): Councilmember Wong?
437
01:04:29.840 --> 01:04:30.390R "Ray" Wang, Councilmember: Bye.
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Speaker 7 (Community Hall): Vice Mayor Chao? Aye. Mayor Moore?
43901:04:34.870 --> 01:04:38.679Speaker 7 (Community Hall): Aye. The motion carries unanimously. All right, thank you.
440
01:04:41.140 --> 01:04:41.860Speaker 7 (Community Hall): Anyway…
44101:04:42.340 --> 01:04:49.649Speaker 2 (Community Hall): Should it be explained why, or we simply move on? No need. Okay, thank you. Alright,
442
01:04:50.810 --> 01:04:54.099Speaker 2 (Community Hall): Now we move on to oral communications.
44301:04:56.170 --> 01:05:01.299Speaker 2 (Community Hall): Madam City Clerk, will you please provide the instructions for and conduct oral communications?
444
01:05:01.305 --> 01:05:10.215Speaker 7 (Community Hall): Yes, Mayor. This portion of the meeting is reserved for persons wishing to address the Council on any matter within the jurisdiction of the Council, and not on the agenda for discussion.
44501:05:10.215 --> 01:05:33.184
Speaker 7 (Community Hall): Oral communication shall be limited to 30 minutes. Additional speakers wishing
to comment on non-agenda items may be given time to speak at the end of the agenda after the City
Manager's report. Individual speakers are limited to 3 minutes. As necessary, the Chair or the mayor may
further limit the time allowed to individual speakers, or reschedule meeting comments to the end of the meeting on a first-come, first-served basis, with priority given to students.
44601:05:33.185 --> 01:05:52.675Speaker 7 (Community Hall): In most cases, state law will prohibit the Council from discussing or making any
decisions with respect to a matter not listed on the agenda. A council member may, however, briefly respond
to statements made or questions posed by speakers. A council member may also ask a question for
clarification, provide a reference for factual information, request staff to report back for concerning
44701:05:52.675 --> 01:05:57.944Speaker 7 (Community Hall): concerning a matter, or request that an item be added to a future City Council agenda in response to public comment.
448
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Speaker 2 (Community Hall): And, how many speaker cards do we have?
44901:06:08.490 --> 01:06:09.949
Speaker 2 (Community Hall): Huh, let me go.
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Speaker 2 (Community Hall): So, Madam City Attorney, just to clarify, since we have postponed and moved, item 12 to the first, so that is an item that is not on the agenda? Correct. Okay.
45101:06:54.810 --> 01:07:02.860Speaker 7 (Community Hall): Mayor, at this time, I'm seeing, I believe, 8 requests to speak virtually for oral
communications, and I do not currently see any hands raised virtually.
452
01:07:04.470 --> 01:07:07.509Speaker 2 (Community Hall): So, and we'll listen to oral…
45301:07:07.780 --> 01:07:16.889Speaker 2 (Community Hall): for 30 minutes, and then it'll… the remainder of oral communications will be at
a later time in the agenda, correct? Correct. Okay, alright, thank you.
454
01:07:17.640 --> 01:07:30.119Speaker 7 (Community Hall): Okay, just a reminder, members of the public wishing to speak regarding an item shall submit the request to Speak card or raise their hand virtually within the first 9 minutes of the start of public comment, or before the public comment period is closed, whichever comes first.
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Speaker 7 (Community Hall): At this time, we will welcome Jennifer Griffin, followed by Soraya.
45601:07:36.440 --> 01:07:40.140Speaker 7 (Community Hall): Followed by Veronica, Welcome, Jennifer.
45701:07:46.620 --> 01:07:50.800
Speaker 8 (Community Hall): Good evening, City Council. Are we speaking for 2 minutes or 3?
458
01:07:52.130 --> 01:07:54.910Speaker 7 (Community Hall): 3 minutes? 3 minutes. Okay.
45901:07:54.910 --> 01:08:12.500Speaker 8 (Community Hall): Thank you. I had two items I wanted to talk about tonight. The first one is I
had… this had just come up recently. We need to make safety traffic improvements on Highway 17 near
Scotts Valley. In the last, probably, 3 to 4 months, we have had
46001:08:13.000 --> 01:08:26.530Speaker 8 (Community Hall): four to five fatalities just north of Scotts Valley. I actually was stuck in a traffic accident for nearly an hour two months ago, and there was a… it…
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Speaker 8 (Community Hall): It was heart-wrenching to know that within
46201:08:30.569 --> 01:08:36.260Speaker 8 (Community Hall): A quarter mile, there had been a fatality. There had been a motorcycle accident there.
463
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Speaker 8 (Community Hall): And I have seen this repeated over and over again in the last 3 months, and someone needs to step up and take responsibility
46401:08:46.850 --> 01:08:52.690Speaker 8 (Community Hall): to try to fix this problem. It appears it's nice they have a median there.
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Speaker 8 (Community Hall): But it appears that people are hitting the median. This is northbound or southbound, mainly. I'm sorry, southbound into Scotts Valley, like a half a mile.
46601:09:03.590 --> 01:09:05.189Speaker 8 (Community Hall): They hit the median.
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Speaker 8 (Community Hall): They don't hit ongoing traffic, but they ricochet off the median, shoot across the two lanes, hit a train, go over the wall.
46801:09:15.550 --> 01:09:28.699Speaker 8 (Community Hall): or go down the hill. This has happened multiple times, and it is heart-wrenching to know this is happening. There is supposed to be an overpass put in there.
469
01:09:28.729 --> 01:09:38.629Speaker 8 (Community Hall): in that immediate area, and this has been on the books for probably 10 years, we need that overpass. They found the money to build
47001:09:41.560 --> 01:09:57.950Speaker 8 (Community Hall): wild animal crossing at the summit, which is excellent, and they're doing this
down in the dangerous area by the reservoir just out of Los Gatos, where there are multiple accidents. But
this harrowing thing that is happening in Scotts Valley has to be looked at.
47101:09:58.270 --> 01:10:07.060Speaker 8 (Community Hall): They can do more, but I see nothing done. They are trying to cut the trees there, but I… I drive that road
472
01:10:07.060 --> 01:10:14.090
Speaker 8 (Community Hall): two times a week. It has terrified me to the point that I have started spending
the night over in Santa Cruz.
47301:10:14.090 --> 01:10:28.549
Speaker 8 (Community Hall): Because I have seen so many things happen in this area. My grandparents
lived in Scotts Valley, my mother did, so I'm very… my cousins, I'm very familiar with this. But this has to be addressed. We can't ignore it.
474
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Speaker 8 (Community Hall): They have to do something. The other thing is, I'm scared to death that with
the SB330 at Panera and Voyager, that we're going to lose the retail on the
47501:10:39.710 --> 01:10:48.369Speaker 8 (Community Hall): west, on the east side of Seish. Big Target's up for sale. We don't want to lose this retail. Thank you.
476
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Speaker 7 (Community Hall): Thank you, Jennifer. Our next speaker is Soraya. Welcome, Soraya.
47701:11:01.390 --> 01:11:03.349Speaker 20 (Community Hall): Good evening, everyone. My name is Sayuri.
478
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Speaker 12 (Community Hall): Farcio. Thank you all for your time this evening.
47901:11:08.055 --> 01:11:11.294Speaker 12 (Community Hall): My concern is about the truck issues that I.
48001:11:11.300 --> 01:11:28.489
Speaker 21 (Community Hall): have raised many, many times. I do understand the city's looking into it, and
I do appreciate it. City Council is looking into it, but it's truly not acceptable anymore. They start… I know
they've said they start at 4am. They don't. They start at 3 or 3.30 a.m.
48101:11:28.490 --> 01:11:43.369Speaker 21 (Community Hall): I have sent in many videos, many pictures. I'm exhausted. Our neighbors are exhausted. Our residents are exhausted. I understand that the reports, I was working directly with the Lehigh Quorum
482
01:11:43.370 --> 01:11:57.179
Speaker 21 (Community Hall): And they were saying, oh, these reports are from 9 years ago, these rules have been set up from 9 years ago. It is what it is. No, it is not what it is. Rules can be changed, rules can be revised. Now we have residents sitting there. It's not an empty space.
48301:11:57.180 --> 01:12:22.069Speaker 21 (Community Hall): Truly, we're not enjoying living in Cupertino. It's a health issue, being waking
up every single morning. And it's not so much the truck going by, it's the… this… the trucks are defective.
They do not operate properly. The loud noise of their engine, the loud noise of their brakes, I mean, it needs
to be fixed.
48401:12:22.070 --> 01:12:46.319
Speaker 21 (Community Hall): be, they need to be addressed. We're suffering, and I really cannot sleep at
night. I get waken up, and it's scary right now with everything going on in the world, these loud noises. It's really concerning to my health. I have a 93-year-old mother who lives with me. She has heart issues. It's a really main concern. This has been going on, I've been bringing this up for the past year and a half.
485
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Speaker 21 (Community Hall): I have talked to the police department, I have talked to the county, I have
talked to many members of, the city.
48601:12:56.600 --> 01:13:10.389Speaker 21 (Community Hall): But unfortunately, nothing has happened, so I really ask you and urge you to help the residents. This needs to be put to rest once and for all. I'm all asking is, perhaps they could start at 6 AM, not 3 AM.
487
01:13:10.410 --> 01:13:27.310Speaker 21 (Community Hall): It's too much, and put yourself in our shoe. We both live there. There are many other people who live there. There are many residents that we have talked to, and they're like, it's like, you're not gonna get anywhere. It's like hitting your head in the brick, and I don't think that's gonna happen. I really trust
488
01:13:27.310 --> 01:13:42.069
Speaker 21 (Community Hall): our new mayor, the city councils, the city staff. I really know you guys are
trying, but I would appreciate it if you guys could expedite it and tell us what else we can do. I was told it
will help if I come tonight and speak.
48901:13:42.070 --> 01:13:48.549Speaker 21 (Community Hall): As you all know, and I've seen many videos, what else can we do to expedite this, to have our…
490
01:13:48.690 --> 01:13:50.150
Speaker 21 (Community Hall): voice heard.
49101:13:50.420 --> 01:13:51.830Speaker 21 (Community Hall): Fix the brakes.
492
01:13:52.260 --> 01:13:53.260
Speaker 21 (Community Hall): Yes, sir.
49301:13:55.790 --> 01:13:57.270Speaker 21 (Community Hall): No comment.
494
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Speaker 2 (Community Hall): I'll need to speak with the city manager and see what we can do with the
county. Yeah, please.
49501:14:05.035 --> 01:14:20.314
Speaker 21 (Community Hall): I mean, it just needs to be fixed. We cannot… we cannot sleep. Every
morning, we're waking up, and it's… it's a health issue, it's truly a health issue. I mean, put yourself in our shoe. They could fix the brakes, and if you could, they could fix the brakes, because when they come, it goes…
496
01:14:20.815 --> 01:14:27.325
Speaker 21 (Community Hall): I mean, it's 3 o'clock in the morning, and the brakes, I don't know, they don't
do a service or anything, so it's…
49701:14:27.605 --> 01:14:32.914Speaker 21 (Community Hall): It's just… if there's anything we could do as a residence to approve our…
498
01:14:32.915 --> 01:14:55.685
Speaker 21 (Community Hall): case, let us know, but I think we've all done as much as we can with the
videos and the cameras. I know a couple of city councils, they've been kind enough that they've gone and they looked at it early in the morning, so I do appreciate that, Mayor Moore. But it's just a matter of, this is a new era, this is 2026, things are meant to be changed, because there are residents living there right now.
49901:14:56.025 --> 01:15:02.705Speaker 21 (Community Hall): So, I'm begging you to please help. We need our rest. Thank you, I
appreciate it. Thank you.
50001:15:03.620 --> 01:15:04.550Speaker 7 (Community Hall): Thank you.
50101:15:05.340 --> 01:15:09.699Speaker 7 (Community Hall): Next, we have, Veronica Lenfer and her group.
502
01:15:11.240 --> 01:15:14.599Speaker 5 (Community Hall): Can I interrupt for just a moment? I'm not sure if Councilmember.
50301:15:14.605 --> 01:15:18.565Speaker 13 (Community Hall): Wong is available to… address.
504
01:15:18.815 --> 01:15:19.785
Speaker 13 (Community Hall): the meeting?
50501:15:20.490 --> 01:15:27.230R "Ray" Wang, Councilmember: Yes, I am going to leave the meeting and excuse myself. I just wanted to make that public announcement. Thank you.
506
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Speaker 13 (Community Hall): Thank you.
50701:15:35.240 --> 01:15:36.709
Speaker 7 (Community Hall): Okay, thank you.
508
01:15:37.030 --> 01:15:42.390
Speaker 7 (Community Hall): So, Veronica, since you are representing a group of two, you will have 4 minutes to speak this evening.
50901:15:42.920 --> 01:15:45.160Speaker 7 (Community Hall): Welcome. Thank you. Good evening.
510
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Speaker 12 (Community Hall): My name is Veronica Lenfer, and I live in Cupertino, and I'm speaking tonight on…
51101:15:49.495 --> 01:15:53.714Speaker 7 (Community Hall): Veronica, would you be able to just get a little bit closer to the mic? Sure.
Sorry, thank you.
512
01:15:54.345 --> 01:16:02.724Speaker 12 (Community Hall): Speaking tonight on behalf of myself and another resident, who will not be speaking individually, I want to talk tonight about what I believe is a serious.
51301:16:02.725 --> 01:16:16.474
Speaker 22 (Community Hall): failure and how the city has handled the housing element process, specifically
the absence of any evacuation or safety analysis before the housing sites were selected.
51401:16:16.975 --> 01:16:18.855Speaker 22 (Community Hall): Like many of my neighbors.
51501:16:19.035 --> 01:16:34.305
Speaker 22 (Community Hall): I didn't receive adequate notice during the housing element update. The
notifications did not reach the people most affected. People like me and the residents in the hillside areas of
Cupertino, where the new density is being concentrated.
51601:16:34.735 --> 01:16:38.765Speaker 22 (Community Hall): Many of us only learned about the site selections after the fact.
517
01:16:39.105 --> 01:16:47.345
Speaker 22 (Community Hall): And now, as we try to understand the implications of these decisions, we're
discovering something really troubling.
51801:16:47.825 --> 01:16:55.795Speaker 22 (Community Hall): The city never studied whether people could safely evacuate these areas before committing to build there.
519
01:16:57.475 --> 01:17:09.625
Speaker 22 (Community Hall): The draft housing element was with the city for over a year sitting, and during
that time, no one thought to ask the question, can our roads get people out in an emergency?
52001:17:10.235 --> 01:17:14.024Speaker 22 (Community Hall): No evacuation capacity study was conducted.
521
01:17:14.175 --> 01:17:24.365Speaker 22 (Community Hall): And no safety threshold was applied to site selection. The sites were locked in first, and the safety analysis came later, if at all.
52201:17:24.775 --> 01:17:28.725Speaker 22 (Community Hall): And when it did come, the findings were actually alarming.
523
01:17:29.305 --> 01:17:44.955Speaker 22 (Community Hall): In October of 2025, the City received the evacuation Route Capacity Assessment prepared by FER and Piers, and that study analyzed three emergency scenarios for the western hillside evacuation area.
52401:17:46.085 --> 01:17:52.715
Speaker 22 (Community Hall): Under Scenario A, which was about a wildfire happening at 2 p.m. on a school
day.
52501:17:53.375 --> 01:17:57.474Speaker 22 (Community Hall): They estimated that 7,900 vehicles needed to evacuate.
52601:17:57.675 --> 01:18:04.824
Speaker 22 (Community Hall): And the results show Foothill Boulevard at a volume-to-capacity ratio of 4.0.
52701:18:04.985 --> 01:18:08.414Speaker 22 (Community Hall): Four times what the road can handle in one hour.
52801:18:08.705 --> 01:18:18.945Speaker 22 (Community Hall): Stevens Creek Boulevard showed 3.6. McClellan Road at Highway 85 showed
4.2. Rainbow Drive showed 3.1.
52901:18:19.205 --> 01:18:25.514Speaker 22 (Community Hall): In fact, every single evacuation route except Prospect Road exceeds capacity.
53001:18:25.945 --> 01:18:33.675Speaker 22 (Community Hall): And there are other scenarios, B and C, which I'm sure you have seen in the
report, that are equally, that show
53101:18:34.065 --> 01:18:40.845Speaker 22 (Community Hall): that, we exceed capacity. But these are… these are not projections,
532
01:18:41.595 --> 01:18:49.975Speaker 22 (Community Hall): The numbers that I've given aren't projections about future growth in our city, it's actually about the current population today. Today's number of residents and students.
533
01:18:50.415 --> 01:18:57.314
Speaker 22 (Community Hall): And the housing element proposed at… proposes to add more evacuees in
these same areas.
53401:18:57.445 --> 01:19:07.064Speaker 22 (Community Hall): So I'm asking the Council to acknowledge that safety was not a part of the housing element site selection process, and it should have been.
535
01:19:08.145 --> 01:19:14.614
Speaker 22 (Community Hall): Before any additional density is approved in the hillside evacuation zone.
53601:19:15.175 --> 01:19:19.595Speaker 22 (Community Hall): Our city must have a plan that closes these capacity gaps.
537
01:19:20.425 --> 01:19:24.105
Speaker 22 (Community Hall): Notification failures cannot be repeated.
53801:19:24.265 --> 01:19:25.605Speaker 22 (Community Hall): our neighbors.
539
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Speaker 22 (Community Hall): And myself, people who've lived here for over 3 decades, deserve to know
what is being planned for our community, and we deserve to know how we can get out safely.
54001:19:35.475 --> 01:19:44.074Speaker 22 (Community Hall): We have multiple people in my neighbor alone who are in their 90s. We all need to be able to feel confident that we can get out safely in an emergency.
541
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Speaker 22 (Community Hall): Thank you for your attention.
54201:19:46.990 --> 01:19:48.280Speaker 7 (Community Hall): Thank you, Veronica.
543
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Speaker 7 (Community Hall): Next, we have Peggy Griffin.
54401:19:52.640 --> 01:19:55.759Speaker 7 (Community Hall): Followed by Ying Sosick?
545
01:19:56.850 --> 01:19:59.290Speaker 7 (Community Hall): Followed by Rhoda Fry. Welcome, Peggy.
546
01:19:59.290 --> 01:20:03.089
Speaker 10 (Community Hall): Good evening, Councilmembers and staff.
54701:20:03.260 --> 01:20:15.520Speaker 10 (Community Hall): I have several different topics. The first one is BMR, and I'm glad that planning is here, and the assistant director is here. I'm throwing out ideas.
548
01:20:16.020 --> 01:20:21.959
Speaker 10 (Community Hall): Limit the unit size, I brought that up. We have these huge housing element
54901:20:22.220 --> 01:20:25.639Speaker 10 (Community Hall): And projects under state laws that make
55001:20:26.340 --> 01:20:41.760
Speaker 10 (Community Hall): A lot of their apartments and condos are larger than any normal house is right
now. And if we have a way to limit the size of the units, we limit the heights, we limit the setbacks required,
and we limit
55101:20:42.160 --> 01:20:45.050Speaker 10 (Community Hall): The cost to a resident.
552
01:20:45.280 --> 01:20:54.729
Speaker 10 (Community Hall): Also, if it's possible, don't allow bonus density at all to be used in very high
fire zones, if that's possible.
55301:20:55.150 --> 01:21:04.479Speaker 10 (Community Hall): Consider, possibly, because you don't get VLI, or very many of those very, very low units, possibly exchanging one
554
01:21:05.270 --> 01:21:10.249
Speaker 10 (Community Hall): BMR unit for two VLI units, if that would work.
55501:21:11.030 --> 01:21:20.439Speaker 10 (Community Hall): And… Okay, and the other topic… another topic is the public health and safety.
556
01:21:21.950 --> 01:21:25.669
Speaker 10 (Community Hall): I didn't feel that the… the…
55701:21:26.660 --> 01:21:31.740Speaker 10 (Community Hall): The policies and strategies had objective standards.
55801:21:32.010 --> 01:21:39.129Speaker 10 (Community Hall): you could get away with anything. And I think that they should be hard and fact, so that people don't have to
559
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Speaker 10 (Community Hall): weasel their way out of them. And also, noise.
56001:21:48.510 --> 01:21:52.429Speaker 10 (Community Hall): the lady talked about truck traffic. We have.
561
01:21:52.960 --> 01:22:04.430
Speaker 10 (Community Hall): I-280 traffic noise. It used to start at 5 AM, now it goes all night, because
people are drag racing up and down 280, or people are using those big, noisy mufflers.
56201:22:04.690 --> 01:22:13.400Speaker 10 (Community Hall): That they have, and so the noise doesn't stop at midnight anymore, it goes all night long, and then roars up at 5 a.m.
563
01:22:13.640 --> 01:22:17.819
Speaker 10 (Community Hall): So… You've got the truck…
56401:22:17.990 --> 01:22:20.770Speaker 10 (Community Hall): trucks, and I was wondering if you could have Sheriff
565
01:22:21.130 --> 01:22:26.590
Speaker 10 (Community Hall): Do, like, a roadblock, and do an inspection to see if the trucks pass.
56601:22:26.890 --> 01:22:29.040Speaker 10 (Community Hall): I don't know if you can do that, others…
567
01:22:29.200 --> 01:22:33.630
Speaker 10 (Community Hall): states require inspections, inspection stickers.
56801:22:33.870 --> 01:22:40.570Speaker 10 (Community Hall): Let's see, what else? Residential parking permits, they only go from 8 a.m. to 4 p.m, Monday through Friday.
569
01:22:40.840 --> 01:22:45.549
Speaker 10 (Community Hall): And so, that doesn't help when people want to park all night.
57001:22:46.040 --> 01:22:48.059Speaker 10 (Community Hall): What else?
571
01:22:49.270 --> 01:22:50.950Speaker 10 (Community Hall): That's it. Thank you.
572
01:22:52.020 --> 01:23:03.690
Speaker 7 (Community Hall): Thank you, Peggy. Our next speaker is Ying. I hope I'm pronouncing your
name right. And I see that you have two requests to speak this evening, but you will just have 3 minutes.
Okay, that works.
57301:23:03.695 --> 01:23:05.195Speaker 5 (Community Hall): works. So…
574
01:23:05.195 --> 01:23:06.084
Speaker 2 (Community Hall): Good evening.
57501:23:06.090 --> 01:23:06.850Speaker 5 (Community Hall): council.
576
01:23:06.855 --> 01:23:12.255
Speaker 2 (Community Hall): staff, everyone. I want to talk about something that caused enormous harm.
57701:23:12.455 --> 01:23:13.434Speaker 2 (Community Hall): Rat poison.
57801:23:14.510 --> 01:23:28.430
Speaker 23 (Community Hall): At first glance, it seems like a simple solution. You have a pest problem, you
put out rat poison, the rat disappears, problem solved, right? But what actually happens is far more
disturbing and far more dangerous.
57901:23:28.570 --> 01:23:42.920Speaker 23 (Community Hall): Most rat poisons used today are what's called second-generation anticoagulant rodentocytes. These are designed to be extremely potent. They don't kill instantly. Instead, they cause internal bleeding.
580
01:23:43.080 --> 01:23:52.670
Speaker 23 (Community Hall): The animal slowly hemorrhages from the inside. It becomes weak, disoriented, and thirsty, and it takes days to die.
58101:23:52.840 --> 01:23:53.900Speaker 23 (Community Hall): Days.
582
01:23:54.280 --> 01:23:58.970
Speaker 23 (Community Hall): That poison rat doesn't just disappear, it becomes easy prey.
58301:23:59.880 --> 01:24:11.809
Speaker 23 (Community Hall): Owls, hogs, foxes, snakes, even our pets hunt weakened rodents. But when
they eat the poisoned rat, the toxin transfers into their bodies.
58401:24:11.960 --> 01:24:15.339Speaker 23 (Community Hall): And the same slow, gruesome deaths begin again.
585
01:24:15.570 --> 01:24:30.379Speaker 23 (Community Hall): And now, when the nature's best natural pest controllers might eat multiple poisoned rats, that poison builds up, and soon it can't fly properly, it starves, or bleeds internally, just like the rat.
58601:24:30.740 --> 01:24:36.339
Speaker 23 (Community Hall): So instead of solving a problem, we create a cascade of suffering across the
entire food chain.
58701:24:36.880 --> 01:24:45.349Speaker 23 (Community Hall): And here's the irony. By killing off predators, we actually make the rodent problem worse. Fewer owls, fewer hawks, means more rats in the long term.
588
01:24:46.300 --> 01:25:01.449
Speaker 23 (Community Hall): This isn't just an environmental issue. It's also a community issue. Pets are
sick, children can be exposed, and our local ecosystems are quietly being damaged. That's why I'm calling
on the City of Cupertino to take action.
58901:25:01.550 --> 01:25:11.239Speaker 23 (Community Hall): We need education, clear, accessible information that helps residents understand the real impacts of rat poison and the safer alternatives.
590
01:25:11.240 --> 01:25:24.370
Speaker 23 (Community Hall): We also need to make sure people are aware of the laws already in place. California has taken steps to restrict the most dangerous second-generation rat poisons, yet many residents still don't know what's legal.
59101:25:24.420 --> 01:25:27.860
Speaker 23 (Community Hall): What is restricted, or why these rules exist?
592
01:25:28.480 --> 01:25:39.220Speaker 23 (Community Hall): And we should consider stronger local action, whether that's additional guidance, outreach, or further limits on the use of these high-risk poisons, because there are better solutions.
593
01:25:40.040 --> 01:25:55.379
Speaker 23 (Community Hall): I'm gonna have to cut this short. So, next time, when we think about killing,
you know, putting our rat poisoning, we need to consider we're not just killing a rat, we're potentially killing
an owl, a fox, a hawk, and damaging the balance of our ecosystem.
594
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Speaker 23 (Community Hall): And we're doing it in one of the slowest, most gruesome way. So I urge Cupertino to lead the way with education, awareness, and responsible action. Thank you.
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Speaker 7 (Community Hall): Thank you. Next, we have Rhoda Fry, followed by San Rao. Welcome, Rhoda.
59601:26:13.960 --> 01:26:15.799Speaker 8 (Community Hall): Hi, good evening. I've gotten a lot of.
59701:26:15.800 --> 01:26:16.640
Speaker 24 (Community Hall): ideas, listening.
598
01:26:16.645 --> 01:26:18.855Speaker 12 (Community Hall): to the previous speakers, so I'm gonna.
59901:26:18.865 --> 01:26:20.045Speaker 23 (Community Hall): Gonna go off my…
600
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Speaker 5 (Community Hall): plan.
60101:26:21.790 --> 01:26:24.859Speaker 24 (Community Hall): But first of all, I was just really alarmed.
602
01:26:24.865 --> 01:26:32.665
Speaker 5 (Community Hall): by the assessment that the city has had regarding evacuation, and the city's
had it since.
60301:26:32.670 --> 01:26:33.830Speaker 25 (Community Hall): October.
604
01:26:34.190 --> 01:26:37.370
Speaker 25 (Community Hall): And we only got it within the last couple weeks.
60501:26:37.490 --> 01:26:44.220Speaker 25 (Community Hall): And I was… I can't tell you how horrified I was, and especially because…
606
01:26:44.350 --> 01:26:51.679
Speaker 25 (Community Hall): Our planning commissioner… our planning commission didn't see it before
looking at a large development that would be heavily impacted by that.
60701:26:51.900 --> 01:27:02.220Speaker 25 (Community Hall): The other thing I want to talk about is the traffic at Lehigh, from Lehigh.
Unfortunately, these folks have a home that's on a former
608
01:27:03.800 --> 01:27:05.949
Speaker 25 (Community Hall): Trucks… truck stop.
60901:27:06.170 --> 01:27:14.119Speaker 25 (Community Hall): But that's neither here nor there. With respect to vested rights.
610
01:27:14.680 --> 01:27:18.069
Speaker 25 (Community Hall): Public nuisance trumps vested rights.
61101:27:18.340 --> 01:27:20.239Speaker 25 (Community Hall): So if they have that super rights.
612
01:27:20.440 --> 01:27:35.620
Speaker 25 (Community Hall): We need to look at a public nuisance. This is just… no doubt about it. We got
a public nuisance here, we need to take care of it. And I'll tell you, having been on this stuff for going on 20
years, the county has not been a friend to Cupertino on this stuff. We need to take the lead on it.
61301:27:36.090 --> 01:27:38.230Speaker 25 (Community Hall): I also have reason to believe that
614
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Speaker 25 (Community Hall): Although the quarry at one time did have a vested right for these
61501:27:43.320 --> 01:27:55.960Speaker 25 (Community Hall): rock operations, they don't now. And y'all have a very long email and, about that. And I hope you can dust it off. I'd be happy to send it again,
616
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Speaker 25 (Community Hall): I don't think they have a vested right for that operation. And the other thing
is, if you think about it, I mean, let's say you had a Safeway supermarket, and 24 by 7, you've got people stocking the shelves, cleaning the floors, stuff like that.
61701:28:10.220 --> 01:28:18.779Speaker 25 (Community Hall): But then, at some point, they open for business, and then people drive in and
buy their stuff. Well, that's what those trucks are doing. They're doing commerce. They're not…
618
01:28:18.780 --> 01:28:31.509Speaker 25 (Community Hall): actually operating. There's… there's two different types of things going on there. There's… there's rock crushing, and there's buying stuff, and I think that we can probably bifurcate those. Okay, I want to talk about
619
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Speaker 25 (Community Hall): So I got that one taken care of. Yeah. The other thing is, I'm seeing a lot… a
big disparity between what I'm seeing coming to Planning Commission, things that aren't quite fully cooked,
like missing an Audubon letter.
62001:28:45.340 --> 01:28:49.079Speaker 25 (Community Hall): That was sent in. That's really important. And…
621
01:28:49.520 --> 01:28:58.460Speaker 25 (Community Hall): Also, what gets voted on at Planning Commission versus what the packet looks like when it comes to City Council, they are not the same.
62201:28:59.000 --> 01:29:09.100Speaker 25 (Community Hall): And, I'd like to see a little bit more due diligence there. I think things used to
be a little tighter in the past. I've lived in Cupertino for,
62301:29:09.510 --> 01:29:14.410Speaker 25 (Community Hall): a really long time, over 40 years. I've been involved with these issues for about that long.
62401:29:14.560 --> 01:29:16.399
Speaker 25 (Community Hall): Please clean up. Thank you.
62501:29:17.150 --> 01:29:20.789Speaker 7 (Community Hall): Thank you, Rhoda. Our next speaker is San Rao. Welcome, San.
62601:29:21.220 --> 01:29:26.219Speaker 7 (Community Hall): Good evening, Mayor Moore and Council Members, Planning Commissioners,
speaking on behalf of myself only.
62701:29:26.460 --> 01:29:27.430Speaker 7 (Community Hall): Today I'd like.
62801:29:27.430 --> 01:29:32.620Speaker 26 (Community Hall): To bring up in front of you, we have 10 county issues that are ongoing right
now.
62901:29:32.800 --> 01:29:34.370Speaker 26 (Community Hall): 10 county issues.
63001:29:34.570 --> 01:29:38.240Speaker 26 (Community Hall): And I know you've seen letters from me and others.
631
01:29:38.490 --> 01:29:40.729Speaker 26 (Community Hall): That are residents writing into the county.
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Speaker 26 (Community Hall): The county is not responsive to residents of Cupertino when they write in on these issues.
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Speaker 26 (Community Hall): I'm sure you're facing similar issues where individually, as a mayor, vice
mayor, or council members, you're not having leverage with the county.
63401:29:55.020 --> 01:29:58.889Speaker 26 (Community Hall): Perhaps even the West Valley cities collectively do not have leverage for the county.
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Speaker 26 (Community Hall): I'd like to suggest considering a mechanism that you can put in place.
63601:30:03.310 --> 01:30:05.870Speaker 26 (Community Hall): That you have today with other agencies.
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Speaker 26 (Community Hall): You have a 2x2 today with the CUSD and FUHSD. That is a recurring meeting,
that is a public Brown Act meeting. It allows the public to participate, it allows us to give collective input and
pressure
63801:30:18.280 --> 01:30:25.720Speaker 26 (Community Hall): At a venue that is rotating between this agency as a home ground and another agency that's an away ground.
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Speaker 26 (Community Hall): I'd like to see if we can get a county meeting that's a 2x2, hopefully at a reasonable frequency.
64001:30:31.790 --> 01:30:36.919Speaker 26 (Community Hall): Where you can bring them in, and maybe it's West Valley Cities, maybe it's Cupertino.
641
01:30:37.120 --> 01:30:40.289Speaker 26 (Community Hall): But we have 10 issues, and I want to just run through these issues.
64201:30:40.460 --> 01:30:43.730Speaker 26 (Community Hall): I just sent you a mail on the County Health Center.
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Speaker 26 (Community Hall): The County Health Center is moving ahead this year.
64401:30:47.100 --> 01:30:49.899
Speaker 26 (Community Hall): It is a 25,000 square foot facility.
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Speaker 26 (Community Hall): It's gonna be on parking lot B of De Anza College. It's going to introduce quite a bit of traffic.
64601:30:55.730 --> 01:31:02.520Speaker 26 (Community Hall): for the McClellan Stelling Stevens Creek Boulevard, it's gonna bring in traffic
at all hours of the night.
647
01:31:02.630 --> 01:31:06.760Speaker 26 (Community Hall): And it's going to bring in a noise issue with the emergency vehicles.
64801:31:06.970 --> 01:31:08.360Speaker 26 (Community Hall): And the silence.
649
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Speaker 26 (Community Hall): No traffic study will be done unless we get involved and intervene.
65001:31:13.310 --> 01:31:19.000Speaker 26 (Community Hall): The county ALPR issue you're well aware of, there has been no response to residents on this issue.
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Speaker 26 (Community Hall): There is the possibility to reconsider, because the…
65201:31:22.840 --> 01:31:28.870Speaker 26 (Community Hall): District 5 Board Supervisor voted to ban the ALPRs, and that could be brought back.
653
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Speaker 26 (Community Hall): You have the sheriff's budget issue.
65401:31:32.310 --> 01:31:35.690Speaker 26 (Community Hall): You have a new issue coming up, which is the Foothill Multimodal Study.
655
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Speaker 26 (Community Hall): Foothill is the source of greatest evacuation concern right now.
65601:31:41.940 --> 01:31:45.090Speaker 26 (Community Hall): The multimodal study has potential to further choke Fotel.
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Speaker 26 (Community Hall): And so, we should be getting involved as a city, because as we look to
evacuate, a foothill clogs up further north, that is a concern for us.
65801:31:55.050 --> 01:32:07.009Speaker 26 (Community Hall): We have a number of quarry issues, one of which was brought up, which was truck traffic, and the resulting need to limit the hours. But we also have the quarry de annexation. We have
the quarry reclamation plan.
65901:32:07.280 --> 01:32:12.519Speaker 26 (Community Hall): And we have the need to look at How we're gonna approach the…
66001:32:12.820 --> 01:32:16.090Speaker 26 (Community Hall): The quarry in general over the long term, and what is the long-term plan.
661
01:32:16.200 --> 01:32:23.249Speaker 26 (Community Hall): So I urge you to put a place, a mechanism, a 2x2, with the county that allows you to leverage residents. Thank you.
66201:32:23.940 --> 01:32:24.910Speaker 7 (Community Hall): Thank you, San.
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01:32:25.200 --> 01:32:36.590Speaker 7 (Community Hall): Mayor, that concludes the request to speak in person. We will move to the request to speak virtually. We have two requests to speak virtually, so that will get us right under 30 minutes.
66401:32:36.870 --> 01:32:39.009
Speaker 7 (Community Hall): So I will welcome Tracy.
66501:32:42.060 --> 01:32:47.999Tracy K: Good evening, City Council, City Manager, and staff. I serve on the Planning Commission, but tonight I speak only on behalf of myself.
66601:32:48.030 --> 01:32:52.920
Tracy K: Since the February 24th public hearing on Evilic, which was approved 3-2,
66701:32:52.920 --> 01:33:09.190Tracy K: I have received some new information and just wanted to briefly mention it. The evacuation study that was mentioned by some of the other residents, we did not have this study. It was completed September 2025, and, you know, while it was not specifically focused on the Linda Vista area, it did
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Tracy K: focus on evacuation scenarios, including all of the schools, immediately within the Linda Vista area,
including Lincoln, Tessellations, Kennedy, and Mont Vista High School. So, the Planning Commission hearings
and decisions were missing this information.
66901:33:21.780 --> 01:33:32.310
Tracy K: And then the second learning that I recently had at the… at a Planning Commission conference is that AB130 has very little precedent, and there are differing opinions on how it should be implemented.
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Tracy K: Of the many planning commissioners I met at the conference, only one had ever seen an AV130
project. So, you know, decisions we're making here around AV130 do set precedents for future decisions
from this city. And I am curious, just personally, how many other types of projects might be exempted
67101:33:48.800 --> 01:33:54.680Tracy K: Through this rule that might not explicitly be shown to be exempt,
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Tracy K: you know, how many other ways are there to exempt projects that don't meet the explicit
requirements of the rule? So I am just sharing this new information on behalf of myself only, and not a reflection of anyone else's decision, just to, you know, impart full information
67301:34:09.540 --> 01:34:14.320Tracy K: for Council ahead of… it seems like this item has been postponed. Thank you very much.
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Speaker 7 (Community Hall): Thank you, Tracy.
67501:34:20.970 --> 01:34:24.380Speaker 7 (Community Hall): We will move to our next speaker. Welcome, Vikram.
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Vikram Saxena: Good evening, Mayor and Council Members. I want to talk tonight about a transport industry
that affects how residents participate.
67701:34:34.650 --> 01:34:46.870Vikram Saxena: Coputeno has always prided itself on informed civic engagement. Residents here read the staff reports, attend hearings, and do their homework. But it only works if the documents are available.
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Vikram Saxena: What I've observed is a pattern where key documents that residents need to evaluate a project's impact in the neighborhood are either missing from the agenda bucket or unavailable for public review. Let me give you three categories.
67901:35:00.200 --> 01:35:03.820Vikram Saxena: The first is fire safety and code compliance determination.
680
01:35:04.160 --> 01:35:10.940Vikram Saxena: When a project requires an exception on an alternate compliance pathway, Which is increasingly common.
681
01:35:11.060 --> 01:35:16.810Vikram Saxena: The underlying determination should be in public record at the time of the Planning Commission or City Council meeting.
682
01:35:17.650 --> 01:35:29.659
Vikram Saxena: The city is relying on a document to demonstrate that a project meets safety standards, the
document belongs to the agenda packet, not produced later upon request, not available only if a resident knows to ask for it.
68301:35:29.930 --> 01:35:32.399Vikram Saxena: It should be in the packet before the hearing.
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Vikram Saxena: The second is architectural and site plan documentation.
68501:35:37.530 --> 01:35:44.149Vikram Saxena: I understand that architectural drawings contain proprietary design details, and I respect intellectual property.
686
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Vikram Saxena: But the information residents need
68701:35:47.580 --> 01:35:58.610Vikram Saxena: To evaluate a project. Building height, setback distances, window locations on wall-facing neighboring properties, the positions of utility infrastructure in setback zones.
688
01:35:58.730 --> 01:36:01.630
Vikram Saxena: That information is embedded in the same drawings.
68901:36:02.240 --> 01:36:10.589Vikram Saxena: We're not asking for architects' design secrets. We don't need the specification of a window maldwin or the details of a balcony railing.
690
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Vikram Saxena: What we need is the ability to verify the dimensional claims we made about a project relationship to our homes.
69101:36:17.040 --> 01:36:28.370Vikram Saxena: The city has the ability to publish site plans and building elevations, with proprietary architecture details redacted. Other cities do it. There's nothing preventing Cupatina from doing the same.
692
01:36:29.600 --> 01:36:33.640Vikram Saxena: The third is the technical study the city itself has commissioned on evacuation.
693
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Vikram Saxena: When City pays for a study that's directly relevant to a project under review, whether it involves traffic, evacuation, environmental.
694
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Vikram Saxena: The study should be a part of the record for the projected effects.
69501:36:45.220 --> 01:36:51.690Vikram Saxena: It should not be sitting in a separate department for months while a project moves along through the approval process without it.
696
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Vikram Saxena: Staff should be affirmatively connecting the city to its own technical work for the projects
that work is relevant to it.
69701:36:59.360 --> 01:37:06.249Vikram Saxena: I recognize the staff manages a heavy workload, and copyright and interdisal property are real considerations.
698
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Vikram Saxena: I'm not suggesting that every proprietary drawing be posted online.
69901:37:10.860 --> 01:37:21.949Vikram Saxena: What I'm asking for is a standard practice that when a project comes before the City or the Planning Commission, the agenda package should include every document the city is relying upon to support this finding.
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Vikram Saxena: Safety determinations, code compliance, technical studies, along with enough dimensional information from the plants for residents to make a meaningful evaluation of the project.
70101:37:33.290 --> 01:37:34.839Vikram Saxena: This is not a hybrid.
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Speaker 7 (Community Hall): Thank you, Vikram. That is your time.
70301:37:37.360 --> 01:37:39.489Speaker 7 (Community Hall): Mayor, that concludes the request to speak.
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Speaker 7 (Community Hall): All right.
70501:37:40.145 --> 01:37:43.824Speaker 2 (Community Hall): Thank you. I do want to address one item,
70601:37:44.135 --> 01:38:06.085Speaker 2 (Community Hall): which I was looking into today, which is, the SB1214 posting allowability with regards to copyright items, and we are looking into that to make sure that all of the site documents are provided, and I'm trying to see if that includes the civil engineering drawings, that they
707
01:38:06.085 --> 01:38:08.775Speaker 2 (Community Hall): Qualify as site docs, and then we'll be…
70801:38:09.455 --> 01:38:15.655Speaker 2 (Community Hall): prevent… presenting, more of this, hopefully in the future.
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Speaker 19 (Community Hall): Vice Mayor?
71001:38:18.490 --> 01:38:21.129Speaker 19 (Community Hall): Yeah, I was hoping to address that.
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01:38:21.140 --> 01:38:35.169
Speaker 19 (Community Hall): I hope that… I think the city does have… make a list… checklist of items, and
the same question have always been asked would be the height, the setback, the window placement, the patio.
71201:38:35.170 --> 01:38:43.030Speaker 19 (Community Hall): And if we can make that a required information, it doesn't have to be a side plan, but that there should be
713
01:38:43.030 --> 01:38:58.280Speaker 19 (Community Hall): drawings provided for each, borderline of a property, then that would make the information more digestible, so people don't even need to dig into the site plan to know what would the building look like from
71401:38:58.280 --> 01:39:08.319
Speaker 19 (Community Hall): each… from their property, or from a street. Yeah, that's… so… Yeah, thank
you.
71501:39:08.630 --> 01:39:11.050Speaker 2 (Community Hall): Thank you. Councilmember Fruan?
71601:39:14.540 --> 01:39:17.490
Speaker 18 (Community Hall): My apologies, my request to speak has been left on.
71701:39:18.160 --> 01:39:20.069Speaker 2 (Community Hall): Oh. Okay,
718
01:39:20.260 --> 01:39:31.129Speaker 2 (Community Hall): So, that concludes our oral communications, Madam City Clerk. Have any members of the City Council pulled items from consent, or do any members of the Council wish to pull any items at this time?
719
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Speaker 2 (Community Hall): No, Mayor.
72001:39:32.310 --> 01:39:32.820Speaker 7 (Community Hall): Okay.
721
01:39:32.825 --> 01:39:38.054
Speaker 2 (Community Hall): All right, are there any requests to pull any of the consent items?
72201:39:38.575 --> 01:39:42.325Speaker 2 (Community Hall): Okay, not seeing any, do we have, any…
723
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Speaker 2 (Community Hall): Public comments for the consent calendar.
72401:39:45.155 --> 01:39:51.444Speaker 7 (Community Hall): Mayor, at this time, I have one request to speak in Community Hall, and no request to speak virtually. All right, thank you.
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Speaker 7 (Community Hall): So we will welcome Peggy Griffin to speak on the consent calendar.
72601:40:03.270 --> 01:40:05.060Speaker 10 (Community Hall): Good evening again, Council.
72701:40:05.170 --> 01:40:06.520
Speaker 10 (Community Hall): staff.
728
01:40:06.710 --> 01:40:14.300Speaker 10 (Community Hall): Everybody. I was looking at the future agenda items, and number 12,
72901:40:14.580 --> 01:40:20.859Speaker 10 (Community Hall): was Pickleball, and it was a $150,000 CIP project.
730
01:40:20.870 --> 01:40:26.640
Speaker 10 (Community Hall): And I don't remember seeing any discussion of whether it should be a CIP project or
731
01:40:26.650 --> 01:40:41.219
Speaker 10 (Community Hall): an alternative approach to handling the noise, again, noise, affected by pickleball racket. And I… an alternative approach, and potentially a more effective, would be requiring the quiet
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01:40:41.350 --> 01:40:45.299
Speaker 10 (Community Hall): pickleball rackets and balls on all courts in the city of Cupertino.
73301:40:45.610 --> 01:40:53.970Speaker 10 (Community Hall): This would significantly reduce the noise from the source, rather than trying to block the noise from escaping the playing cord area.
734
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Speaker 10 (Community Hall): The noise barriers would need to be around the entire court to even attempt
to block the noise, and it would be needed on every court in Cupertino.
73501:41:04.980 --> 01:41:09.599Speaker 10 (Community Hall): I don't think a $150,000 CIP project covers pickleball.
736
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Speaker 10 (Community Hall): pickleball courts. The city could work with local retail stores to carry the
equipment and provide subsidies for registered pickleball players, or residents. This would be far cheaper and more effective approach to covering all of Cupertino.
73701:41:26.680 --> 01:41:38.280Speaker 10 (Community Hall): make this an ordinance and enforce it. It could be an incrementally updated ordinance, adding date, time, resident restrictions, if the noise to continue to be a problem.
738
01:41:38.660 --> 01:41:51.019Speaker 10 (Community Hall): but start at the source, the rackets and the balls. Number 14 was FUHSD Community College District Bond Measure, and the staff recommended removing
73901:41:51.240 --> 01:41:53.199Speaker 10 (Community Hall): But they didn't say why.
740
01:41:53.300 --> 01:41:58.259Speaker 10 (Community Hall): I was curious. Number 22, retail commercial preservation.
74101:41:58.440 --> 01:42:09.070Speaker 10 (Community Hall): It's on the City Work Program item. I request that the priority of this be heightened due to the current and future loss of potentially Target and other
742
01:42:09.210 --> 01:42:14.570Speaker 10 (Community Hall): of our little retail. If you can do anything to… Speed it up. Thank you.
743
01:42:16.330 --> 01:42:22.070
Speaker 7 (Community Hall): Thank you, Peggy. And Mayor, that concludes the request to speak on the consent calendar this evening. Great. Thank you.
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01:42:22.075 --> 01:42:30.274
Speaker 2 (Community Hall): Madam City Manager, would you like to, speak to either the pickleball issue or
the FUHSD bond?
74501:42:30.705 --> 01:42:31.575Speaker 2 (Community Hall): Item?
746
01:42:33.580 --> 01:42:39.080
Speaker 3 (Community Hall): The pickleball, I can speak very briefly, but there is a,
74701:42:39.350 --> 01:42:56.550Speaker 3 (Community Hall): CIP item that was added for Council's consideration for the wall. We are continuing with the… with the education around, you know, noise concerns for residents, and ultimately Council can, also consider the wall, idea, the fence, I should say.
748
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Speaker 3 (Community Hall): As it comes back to Council with the… with the budget request and the CIP.
74901:43:01.600 --> 01:43:14.479Speaker 3 (Community Hall): But this is one of those, topics that really does not have an easy solution that would appease everybody, but we continue to understand concerns from both sides on this one.
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01:43:15.290 --> 01:43:21.589
Speaker 2 (Community Hall): And the FUHSD, there is no bond that's on the ballot for this year.
75101:43:21.885 --> 01:43:22.385Speaker 3 (Community Hall): I am.
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01:43:22.385 --> 01:43:23.265
Speaker 20 (Community Hall): Not aware of it.
75301:43:23.270 --> 01:43:27.239Speaker 2 (Community Hall): Okay. So do we have a motion to move the consent calendar?
75401:43:29.840 --> 01:43:32.240
Speaker 2 (Community Hall): Yeah, I so move. Okay, and a second.
755
01:43:34.040 --> 01:43:34.760Speaker 2 (Community Hall): Whoa.
756
01:43:35.320 --> 01:43:39.370
Speaker 2 (Community Hall): Second. Thank you. Madam City Clerk, will you please conduct a roll call vote?
75701:43:39.925 --> 01:43:40.955Speaker 7 (Community Hall): Councilmember Fruen?
758
01:43:41.275 --> 01:43:44.004Speaker 7 (Community Hall): Aye. Councilmember Mohan? Aye.
75901:43:44.125 --> 01:43:50.374Speaker 7 (Community Hall): Vice Mayor Chao? Aye. Mayor Moore? Aye. The motion carries with Councilmember Wong absent.
760
01:43:50.865 --> 01:44:01.965Speaker 2 (Community Hall): Great. Thank you. Next, we move on to our action calendar, item 10. It's a follow-up analysis of potential revenue ballot measure options. Madam City Manager, do we have a staff report?
76101:44:02.270 --> 01:44:17.979
Speaker 3 (Community Hall): Thank you, Mayor. Yes, we do. And, just a brief introduction. So this is a
follow-up conversation from the February 19th Council meeting on potential ballot revenue measures, and
tonight, staff is returning with additional analysis focused on the options that Council has identified.
76201:44:17.980 --> 01:44:30.349Speaker 3 (Community Hall): Including the user… utility users tax, local sales tax, and business license tax. The purpose of this item is to receive Council feedback and direction on whether to continue evaluating or move forward.
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01:44:30.350 --> 01:44:41.120
Speaker 3 (Community Hall): with a potential measure for the November 2026 ballot. And with that, I will turn it over to Jonathan Orozco, Acting Director of Administrative Services, to provide brief presentation.
76401:44:46.560 --> 01:44:49.549Speaker 3 (Community Hall): Good evening, Honorable Mayor Moore and Council Members.
765
01:44:49.730 --> 01:44:53.290
Speaker 3 (Community Hall): Tonight's item presents a follow-up analysis of potential revenue.
76601:44:53.290 --> 01:44:55.300Speaker 27 (Community Hall): ballot tax measure options.
767
01:44:55.490 --> 01:44:58.200
Speaker 27 (Community Hall): Building on the prior discussions in February.
76801:45:04.720 --> 01:45:21.290
Speaker 27 (Community Hall): Staff has focused on the key revenue options identified by Council, including a
utility user tax, local sales tax, business license tax, and will also provide a broader context regarding the City's fiscal outlook and policy considerations.
769
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Speaker 27 (Community Hall): Here's a brief overview of tonight's presentation. We'll begin with the purpose
of the item and a summary of the City's fiscal context. We'll then walk through each of the primary revenue
options in more detail, followed by additional considerations relating to expenditures and economic competitiveness.
77001:45:43.110 --> 01:45:48.149Speaker 27 (Community Hall): We'll conclude with next steps and seek council direction and how you would like staff to proceed.
771
01:45:49.950 --> 01:45:58.989Speaker 27 (Community Hall): Tonight's item builds on Council's February 19th discussion, where several revenue options were introduced, and Council provided direction on additional analysis.
77201:45:59.270 --> 01:46:07.950Speaker 27 (Community Hall): This presentation focuses specifically on the options Council asked staff to
evaluate further. The goal is to provide more detail on revenue potential.
77301:46:08.070 --> 01:46:11.000Speaker 27 (Community Hall): Policy rec… considerations and trade-offs.
77401:46:11.440 --> 01:46:15.169Speaker 27 (Community Hall): And to receive direction on whether to move forward on a ballot measure.
775
01:46:23.650 --> 01:46:33.210Speaker 27 (Community Hall): Since early 2024, the City has been monitoring emerging fiscal pressures, including rising service costs and uncertainty related to the Sheriff's contract.
77601:46:33.340 --> 01:46:38.869Speaker 27 (Community Hall): As part of this, the county has proposed a significant increase in law
enforcement contract costs.
77701:46:39.190 --> 01:46:47.889Speaker 27 (Community Hall): The cities of Cupertino, Saratoga, and Los Altos Hills have submitted a counter-proposal outlining a phased alternative to the county's proposed increase.
77801:46:48.090 --> 01:46:56.720
Speaker 27 (Community Hall): The county's proposal, presented to City on December 31st, 2025, would
increase Cupertino's annual contract cost
77901:46:57.110 --> 01:47:03.270Speaker 27 (Community Hall): from approximately $19 million to $26.5 million beginning July 1st, 2026.
78001:47:03.620 --> 01:47:07.759Speaker 27 (Community Hall): An increase of about $7.5 million, or 39.6%.
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Speaker 27 (Community Hall): While negotiations are ongoing and no final agreement has been reached, the
magnitude of this proposed increase highlights the significant impact to the city's long-term financial outlook.
78201:47:22.030 --> 01:47:29.620Speaker 27 (Community Hall): As staff… as a result, staff has been valuing both revenue options and expenditure strategies to ensure long-term fiscal sustainability.
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Speaker 27 (Community Hall): at the February 19th meeting.
78401:47:35.660 --> 01:47:43.610Speaker 27 (Community Hall): Council provided clear direction on the focus of three primary revenue options, and to also evaluate expenditure side considerations.
785
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Speaker 27 (Community Hall): Council also emphasized the importance of balancing revenue generation with maintaining Cupertino's competitiveness as a place to live and to do business.
78601:47:55.970 --> 01:48:01.179Speaker 27 (Community Hall): Each of these three options offer meaningful revenue potential, but comes at different trade-offs.
787
01:48:02.000 --> 01:48:06.340Speaker 27 (Community Hall): The utility user tax is relatively stable, but can be regressive.
78801:48:06.860 --> 01:48:09.959Speaker 27 (Community Hall): The sales tax captures non-resident spedding.
789
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Speaker 27 (Community Hall): But it's sensitive to economic cycles.
79001:48:13.480 --> 01:48:19.380Speaker 27 (Community Hall): The business license tax offers flexibility, but must also be balanced against economic competitiveness.
791
01:48:24.510 --> 01:48:33.949
Speaker 27 (Community Hall): The city currently has a 2.4% utility user tax that generates approximately $3.9 million annually, and is scheduled to sunset in 2030.
792
01:48:34.440 --> 01:48:37.579
Speaker 27 (Community Hall): The Council could consider increasing the rate.
79301:48:37.700 --> 01:48:43.919Speaker 27 (Community Hall): Extending or removing the sunset, or modernizing the tax to reflect current
technologies.
79401:48:44.510 --> 01:48:51.269Speaker 27 (Community Hall): Importantly, the city already provides a senior exemption, which helps mitigate impacts to vulnerable populations.
79501:48:51.780 --> 01:48:57.859
Speaker 27 (Community Hall): Depending on the structure, modernization could generate additional revenue,
though estimates vary widely.
79601:49:01.710 --> 01:49:07.880Speaker 27 (Community Hall): The city has the capacity under the state's fall cap to increase its local sales tax by up to a quarter cent.
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Speaker 27 (Community Hall): One of the advantages of this option is that approximately 28.8% of the
revenue is generated by non-residents.
79801:49:17.200 --> 01:49:19.260Speaker 27 (Community Hall): Helping distribute the tax burden.
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Speaker 27 (Community Hall): beyond Cupertino's residence. However, sales tax revenues are more volatile
and can fluctuate with broader economic conditions.
80001:49:32.730 --> 01:49:41.220Speaker 27 (Community Hall): The city's business license tax structure has not been significantly updated since 1992, although rates are adjusted annually by CPI.
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Speaker 27 (Community Hall): Compared to neighboring jurisdictions, the Cupertino's revenue per capita is
relatively low.
80201:49:47.330 --> 01:49:55.059Speaker 27 (Community Hall): While restructuring could increase revenue, it is important to carefully consider impacts to the business climate and economic development goals.
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Speaker 27 (Community Hall): In addition to evaluating revenue options, staff is also reviewing expenditure strategies while
804
01:50:04.790 --> 01:50:09.389Speaker 27 (Community Hall): Including the capital improvement program and overall operating budget.
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Speaker 27 (Community Hall): The CIP is scheduled to return to Council in June as part of the fiscal year
2026-2027 proposed budget.
80601:50:17.500 --> 01:50:30.579Speaker 27 (Community Hall): operating budget. At this time, Council will have an opportunity… at that time, Council will have an opportunity to reevaluate both operating priorities, planned capital projects, including whether to
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Speaker 27 (Community Hall): Phase, defer, or pre-prioritize projects.
80801:50:35.420 --> 01:50:42.629Speaker 27 (Community Hall): Staff is also assessing staffing needs and operational efficiencies while working to minimize impacts to core services.
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Speaker 27 (Community Hall): And continues to coordinate with economic development efforts to support the city's long-term competitiveness.
81001:50:53.130 --> 01:51:08.329Speaker 27 (Community Hall): Tonight, staff is seeking direction on whether to move forward with one or more revenue options. If directed, next steps would include polling, public outreach, and development of
ballot language, with the goal of returning to Council ahead of the potential November 2026 ballot.
81101:51:09.220 --> 01:51:14.860Speaker 27 (Community Hall): There are also opportunities for cost efficiencies by coordinating the city's parkline ballot measure efforts.
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Speaker 27 (Community Hall): That concludes my presentation. Staff in Kind Duran with HDL are available to
answer any questions.
81301:51:26.060 --> 01:51:29.399Speaker 2 (Community Hall): Thank you very much, Jonathan. Are there any…
81401:51:29.630 --> 01:51:32.829
Speaker 2 (Community Hall): Clarifying questions at this time from the Council?
81501:51:34.460 --> 01:51:42.650Speaker 2 (Community Hall): I do see a hand raised. Councilman, Vice Mayor, is that from before? Okay.
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01:51:42.650 --> 01:51:53.639Speaker 18 (Community Hall): If I might, Mayor, before we get into that, there's a great many people who appear to be online whose names match folks who have sent us communications about Evulich Court.
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Speaker 18 (Community Hall): And they may not have been online when we continued that item, so perhaps
letting them know.
81801:52:00.035 --> 01:52:11.595Speaker 2 (Community Hall): Thank you very much, for that. Yeah, so item 12, Evilich Court, has been, postponed to April 1st at 6.30.
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Speaker 2 (Community Hall): 6.30pm, April 1st.
82001:52:16.630 --> 01:52:17.500Speaker 19 (Community Hall): Alright?
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Speaker 19 (Community Hall): 30.
82201:52:18.940 --> 01:52:22.259Speaker 19 (Community Hall): I saw the 6… it was… Huh.
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Speaker 24 (Community Hall): Vice Mayor, we're considering a closed session to start at 6. Oh, okay, yeah.
82401:52:27.450 --> 01:52:34.900Speaker 2 (Community Hall): Okay, okay, thank you. I hope that helps. All right, and do we have any clarifying questions regarding the ballot measure item?
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Speaker 2 (Community Hall): Not seeing any, do we have members of the public who would like to make
comments on this item?
82601:52:42.150 --> 01:52:50.009Speaker 7 (Community Hall): Yes, Mayor, at this time, we are seeing two requests to speak on this item in person, and I do not see any hands raised virtually.
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Speaker 7 (Community Hall): So, first we will welcome Peggy Griffin, followed by Rhoda Frye. Welcome,
Peggy.
82801:52:58.970 --> 01:52:59.690
Speaker 7 (Community Hall): Picky.
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Speaker 7 (Community Hall): I… Don't see… oh, no, there she is.
83001:53:08.000 --> 01:53:12.359Speaker 10 (Community Hall): I didn't know I… sorry, I'm back here again.
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Speaker 10 (Community Hall): Item 10, potential revenue ballot measures. I'm,
83201:53:17.650 --> 01:53:30.540Speaker 10 (Community Hall): Some ideas… reduce the concrete work you just contracted to do, and cover only mandatory items. You're replacing ramps that look just perfectly good, just to put the bumps on them.
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Speaker 10 (Community Hall): But they could probably wait a couple years. Sometimes.
83401:53:36.730 --> 01:53:46.920Speaker 10 (Community Hall): Sidewalks really need it, but other times, not so much. So maybe they're graded, and you could just take out the stuff that doesn't look so bad.
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Speaker 10 (Community Hall): remove… reduce the number of CIP projects, revisit the sales tax rebate with
several businesses that we have.
83601:53:56.990 --> 01:54:03.229Speaker 10 (Community Hall): I don't know if there's… the situation is the same as it was when the contracts were made.
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Speaker 10 (Community Hall): people have said increased golf fees and increase non-resident recreational fees. I think that should really be looked at. It won't get you a lot, but, business tax, please revisit it. Currently, it's by square footage, but what about the size reduction due to remote workers?
83801:54:22.130 --> 01:54:30.380
Speaker 10 (Community Hall): It seems like it's at your disadvantage doing it this way. Look into a different
approach. The UUT tax
83901:54:31.100 --> 01:54:34.599Speaker 10 (Community Hall): 2.4% to 4.8%, doubling it.
84001:54:34.860 --> 01:54:37.769
Speaker 10 (Community Hall): It's a little bit… I went back and looked at some…
841
01:54:38.050 --> 01:54:47.169Speaker 10 (Community Hall): bills I have, but I'm a senior and I'm exempt, and there are a lot of seniors that are exempt, so that means that if you increase it, or if you add cable.
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Speaker 10 (Community Hall): Let's see, what else were you going to add? Cable, phone, internet?
84301:54:53.600 --> 01:54:54.540Speaker 10 (Community Hall): the…
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Speaker 10 (Community Hall): The young people are going to be the ones that pay this tax, because the
seniors get exempt, and that's not fair.
84501:55:03.330 --> 01:55:10.880Speaker 10 (Community Hall): So, think really clearly. You could up it a little bit, but if you add all these utilities, and then double it, too.
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Speaker 10 (Community Hall): That's a lot of money, and the young people are gonna pay it.
84701:55:14.650 --> 01:55:15.670Speaker 10 (Community Hall): Thank you.
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Speaker 7 (Community Hall): Thank you, Peggy. Our next request to speak is Rhoda Fry. Welcome, Rhoda.
84901:55:22.050 --> 01:55:24.800Speaker 25 (Community Hall): Hi, I'm aging myself.
85001:55:25.260 --> 01:55:26.260
Speaker 25 (Community Hall): I…
851
01:55:26.510 --> 01:55:42.170Speaker 25 (Community Hall): was an Emma Cupertino resident when the UUT was enacted, and it was going to be a limited tax so that we could buy property. And it just isn't getting sunsetted, and it's really disappointing.
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Speaker 25 (Community Hall): I've already… I wrote in, about the UUT. I concur with what Peggy says. We
need to look at the revenue side, we need to look at expenses, as well. And the thing about UUT that
bothers me is that people who can afford solar are gonna have…
85301:56:01.540 --> 01:56:23.540
Speaker 25 (Community Hall): a lower tax bill, and people who can't, or maybe who don't have the funds to
do more energy upgrades, are going to be spending more on their PG&Es, and that doesn't seem very fair either. And that was actually what Mr. Orozco was talking about, being, I believe, being regressive. And so, I just don't have much of an appetite for that.
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Speaker 25 (Community Hall): agreeing with Peggy also about, head tax. Our head tax, which is basically a,
well, business license tax, is lower than other… than our neighbors.
85501:56:36.450 --> 01:56:45.900Speaker 25 (Community Hall): And before, when we got, we were awash in funds, it didn't make… it didn't make sense to be greedy, but now we need to kind of get to more parity.
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Speaker 25 (Community Hall): Another thing I wanted to… you to consider was, and I brought this up to this body in the past.
85701:56:54.130 --> 01:57:18.760Speaker 25 (Community Hall): is when… I know that when Apple Campus did… when Apple did its campus, they shifted… it's like they had a company that was there, so when they were buying building materials, it
was actually as though it had been purchased in Cupertino, and so we were capturing that… that sales tax
on those items. And, you know, if we could kind of look into… see if we can roll those ideas into conditions
of our
85801:57:18.760 --> 01:57:26.470Speaker 25 (Community Hall): Approval when we have large construction projects, and that we can capture the tax… taxes that are
859
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Speaker 25 (Community Hall): used to purchase building materials. And yeah, we can say, oh, well, it's a
one-off here, but it's a one-off here, and it's a one-off here, and it's a one-off there, and… and, the pennies add up. So, I'm hoping that you can look into that as well.
86001:57:42.900 --> 01:57:44.209Speaker 25 (Community Hall): So, thank you.
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Speaker 7 (Community Hall): Thank you, Rhoda.
86201:57:46.450 --> 01:57:47.930Speaker 7 (Community Hall): And, Mayor, that…
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Speaker 7 (Community Hall): concludes our request to speak in person. We currently have one hand raised
virtually. Just as a reminder to members of the public, please raise your hand or submit your request to speak card within the next four and a half minutes, or before the public comment period ends. At this time, we will welcome San Rao. Welcome.
86401:58:08.750 --> 01:58:13.710San Rao: Good evening, Mayor Moore and Councilmembers, speaking on behalf of myself only as a resident.
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San Rao: I've, mentioned this previously, I think it would be good for the tires to test which council members
will actually back a tax
86601:58:24.080 --> 01:58:29.359San Rao: Measure to be taken to Vote as a ballot measure.
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San Rao: I believe you have two council members on dais seeking, potentially, re-election.
86801:58:34.810 --> 01:58:46.480San Rao: You should, at a minimum, test their interest and willingness to support this, and certainly gauge the sentiment from the public. As I have said before, Cupertino does not.
869
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San Rao: stand… For taxes, we have been a city that opposed
87001:58:52.850 --> 01:58:57.119San Rao: Taxes that were proposed by the county, the…
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San Rao: the prior attempt to do a CUSD tax also failed.
87201:59:02.370 --> 01:59:13.819San Rao: And I can tell you, we are a community that is under a lot of stress. Our retired seniors face increasing costs and affordability challenges, and if you have been following the news.
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San Rao: Our younger community that is predominantly tech is dealing with a massive retrenchment that is
happening in the tech industry.
87401:59:21.910 --> 01:59:34.599San Rao: As you may have heard, Meta is looking at at least a 20% retrenchment effort, and that is a massive amount of tech resources that are coming off of active employment. So you need to really think hard
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San Rao: About the demographic of the city, the predominant occupation in the city, and between the senior population and those that are in tech that are seeing the industry change out from under their feet.
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San Rao: I would urge you to really read the sentiment of the population, not consider a tax measure. You're gonna have to look at the county sheriff's budget increase.
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San Rao: I also sent you a report on that. I don't think there are too many options other than phasing it in
and negotiating a smaller percentage, so you really need to look seriously at cutting costs.
87802:00:07.040 --> 02:00:09.959San Rao: And that takes me back to, if you look at our…
879
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San Rao: OpenGov from 10 years ago to now, our population has stayed flat to decline.
88002:00:16.360 --> 02:00:31.290San Rao: Our costs have gone up significantly. Much of that is employee costs, and we need to start taking costs out. Much of that is healthcare and pension. We need to replace non-essential headcount with contract staff. Maybe we retain the same staff members, but we replace them from active.
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San Rao: service to contract staff to take the healthcare and pension out. We need to start reducing span of
control. In the tech industry, radical new span of control of 1 to 50 is being considered. That is 1 to 50, so one manager to 50 employees. And that is the effect of what AI is doing right now, and that may seem radical because
88202:00:49.760 --> 02:01:04.889San Rao: not too long ago, a 1 to 15 number would have been high. And so you really need to question
whether you need to have a director and an assistant director across every department. I know these are
hard calls to make, but these cost us a lot of money, and we need to perhaps start consolidating to a single
role
88302:01:04.890 --> 02:01:10.810San Rao: for a department that manages the department, reduce the number of managers you have. You do not have a lot of levers. Thank you.
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Speaker 7 (Community Hall): Thank you, San. Our next speaker on this item is Mooney Minapatla. Welcome,
Mooney.
88502:01:21.270 --> 02:01:26.459Muni Madhdhipatla: Good evening, Council. I'm the Mayor, Kitty Moore. Could you guys hear me?
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Speaker 7 (Community Hall): We can hear you.
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Muni Madhdhipatla: Yeah, yeah, my apologies. I'm joining remotely from Bangalore as I'm traveling, so
thanks for giving me an opportunity to speak. So, I just generally want to share some concerns that I'm learning about, so…
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Muni Madhdhipatla: As part of, you know, the project that's happening on the west side, I'm learning a lot
of, you know, new details about the fire safety in the city, and ability for our fire department to reach various
parts of the.
88902:01:59.970 --> 02:02:04.519Speaker 2 (Community Hall): Pardon, pardon, Mooney, this is not oral communications, this is,
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Speaker 2 (Community Hall): This is the ballot, revenue tax.
89102:02:07.910 --> 02:02:10.419Muni Madhdhipatla: My apologies. Okay, my apologies, okay.
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Speaker 2 (Community Hall): Do you have some… would you like to comment on potential revenue ballot
measure options?
89302:02:16.240 --> 02:02:26.919Muni Madhdhipatla: Yeah, so, thank you, Mayor, for remaining on, you know, what the agenda item is. So, yes, so I echo the sentiments of, Mr. San that spoke just before me.
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Muni Madhdhipatla: Right? There are radical changes taking place, and we need to look at, you know, our
staff and what we need against, you know, the population change that's happening, right? So…
89502:02:38.960 --> 02:02:47.489Muni Madhdhipatla: We need to control expenses, like, you know, we would go on any private, companies, you know, so government is no different.
896
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Muni Madhdhipatla: We need to be looking at, you know, expenses, and find a way to control them instead of, you know, letting it out of control, and then creating a budgetary situation that we cannot manage.
89702:02:57.950 --> 02:02:59.189Muni Madhdhipatla: So, thank you.
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Speaker 7 (Community Hall): Thank you, Mooney. That concludes the request to speak on this item.
89902:03:09.340 --> 02:03:11.799
Speaker 2 (Community Hall): Right, thank you. I do want to…
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Speaker 2 (Community Hall): See if I can share screen here for a second.
90102:03:17.900 --> 02:03:24.790Speaker 2 (Community Hall): Okay… Let's see if that works…
902
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Speaker 2 (Community Hall): Am I sharing screen now? No, I am not. Let's try this.
90302:03:32.150 --> 02:03:32.940Speaker 2 (Community Hall): Huh.
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Speaker 2 (Community Hall): Think this will work?
90502:03:35.760 --> 02:03:37.760Speaker 2 (Community Hall): Says I'm screen sharing.
90602:03:41.190 --> 02:03:42.650
Speaker 7 (Community Hall): Am I sharing my screen?
90702:03:42.940 --> 02:03:47.899Speaker 7 (Community Hall): I… I can see it on Zoom. Members of the public, are you…
90802:03:48.480 --> 02:03:50.810Speaker 2 (Community Hall): I don't see it here.
909
02:03:59.710 --> 02:04:01.939Speaker 3 (Community Hall): Terry, could you look at the screen?
91002:04:11.050 --> 02:04:16.279Speaker 2 (Community Hall): There we go. All right, thank you. I guess I can get rid of the side panel here.
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Speaker 2 (Community Hall): Okay, so at the Mayor's chat, I provided some, information regarding the Cupertino sales tax. This is information that I have collected, so it does need to be verified, but I thought it might be helpful for members of the public to have a better sense about where our sales tax and where our property tax is going, when we're having outside, requests to increase our taxes.
91202:04:40.790 --> 02:04:54.500
Speaker 2 (Community Hall): So, here's our, our sales tax. We, after Measure A, we're gonna be at 9.75%,
and you can see there's a lot of different slices of this pie, where things are going.
91302:04:54.630 --> 02:04:58.510Speaker 2 (Community Hall): I'll go back a slide so you can see that it's,
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Speaker 2 (Community Hall): State, County, Transit, and the City of Cupertino.
91502:05:03.590 --> 02:05:22.249Speaker 2 (Community Hall): And then this is a breakdown of those destinations. And then the next thing I looked at was our property tax distribution. If you look at your property tax bill, you've got your 1% base levy on your bill, and then you have a debt levy below that, which
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02:05:22.250 --> 02:05:40.939
Speaker 2 (Community Hall): increases it to over the 1%. And what's here, important to what I'm trying to share is the $13.7 million, going to… just to the… the county, not talking about the Office of Education or the county library. So that gets into the sheriff,
91702:05:40.940 --> 02:05:43.200Speaker 2 (Community Hall): Contract that's mentioned in this report.
918
02:05:43.830 --> 02:05:46.400Speaker 2 (Community Hall): And then the debt levy distribution.
91902:05:47.430 --> 02:05:50.660Speaker 2 (Community Hall): Also shows money going to the county, the brown section.
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Speaker 2 (Community Hall): Cupertino, from your 1%, base levy, we are, one of the lowest for getting, our funds back at 6.51%.
92102:06:02.820 --> 02:06:07.319Speaker 2 (Community Hall): However, that 6.51% amounts to $35 million.
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Speaker 2 (Community Hall): Which means that the 93% that's leaving us is quite high. So here's a graphical representation of how low our return is.
92302:06:18.750 --> 02:06:35.050Speaker 2 (Community Hall): And then here you can see Cupertino, our 1% property tax share, $35 million, our sales tax share, $11 million, and the county, their 1% out of Cupertino, $73 million, and then you have
the retirement debt levy.
92402:06:35.060 --> 02:06:51.429Speaker 2 (Community Hall): their sales tax share post-measure A, which is going to start April 1st, so they're, extracting about $129 million from Cupertino. So I think that's important to know, so 2.8 times what
Cupertino gets. And I will stop sharing now.
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Speaker 2 (Community Hall): Okay, so that's a quick rundown on all the taxes that we currently have. So I would like to hear from fellow council members if there's some appetite for any of these options at this time.
92602:07:09.660 --> 02:07:11.450Speaker 2 (Community Hall): Vice Mayor, your hand's raised?
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Speaker 2 (Community Hall): Oh.
92802:07:13.290 --> 02:07:14.000Speaker 19 (Community Hall): Okay.
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Speaker 19 (Community Hall): I'll speak then.
93002:07:15.740 --> 02:07:19.019Speaker 19 (Community Hall): So, yeah, I think,
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Speaker 19 (Community Hall): We def… I think we definitely need to, extend the utility tax, and, I see that
modernization includes cable TV. I wonder whether that includes the…
93202:07:36.560 --> 02:07:50.859Speaker 19 (Community Hall): Cell phones, because, we are required to consider… to provide our public right-of-way to all the small cell equipment, because it is considered a public utility.
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Speaker 19 (Community Hall): And shouldn't we then consider that in our utility users' tax? So…
93402:08:00.830 --> 02:08:07.419Speaker 19 (Community Hall): internet, internet is a kind of utility, so is that…
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Speaker 19 (Community Hall): So if we consider at that to the utility, what does that mean? How can that be
collected?
93602:08:15.670 --> 02:08:20.969Speaker 19 (Community Hall): Mmm… And then, for the sales tax?
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Speaker 19 (Community Hall): Yeah… Hate to increase sales tax.
93802:08:27.100 --> 02:08:37.350Speaker 19 (Community Hall): on… if that… it sounds like the VTA major for this year will not, grab our remaining 2.4…
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Speaker 19 (Community Hall): 2 points on the remaining quarter sent for the taxman, then maybe we can just leave it for now. But I do think we need to look a harder look.
94002:08:48.210 --> 02:09:00.879Speaker 19 (Community Hall): to take a harder look at business license tax, so we at least are comparable to other cities. As for competitiveness towards the business, I think when businesses consider
941
02:09:00.890 --> 02:09:04.370Speaker 19 (Community Hall): Location for their business.
94202:09:04.720 --> 02:09:10.940Speaker 19 (Community Hall): They don't look at business text the first. I think that's, like, an afterthought.
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Speaker 19 (Community Hall): So it's really the business environment, what kind of environment we are providing, whether, and so that's something we need to learn.
94402:09:22.780 --> 02:09:39.900Speaker 19 (Community Hall): how… it's the ecosystem of business environment we are providing. So we shouldn't shy away from business tax, but if we use the tax to provide a better business environment, that
might be a benefit to the city. Yeah.
94502:09:40.100 --> 02:09:41.020Speaker 19 (Community Hall): Thank you.
94602:09:41.680 --> 02:09:44.020Speaker 2 (Community Hall): All right, thank you, Councilmember Mohan.
947
02:09:45.200 --> 02:09:48.790Speaker 20 (Community Hall): Thank you, Mayor. Thank you, Jonathan, for your presentation.
94802:09:51.170 --> 02:10:03.840Speaker 20 (Community Hall): A big part… a big reason why we're, even talking about, revenue enhancements is the… is because of the uncertainty around the sheriff's contract.
949
02:10:04.150 --> 02:10:16.499Speaker 20 (Community Hall): So, where is that, and how will we know what the final resolution on that? And I know city manager, as well as the mayor, staff, have been working on.
950
02:10:18.020 --> 02:10:30.449Speaker 3 (Community Hall): Thank you, Councilmember. I'll briefly update, on the… on the sheriff's negotiations, so the negotiations are still ongoing. We have sent in a counterproposal, and we're evading a response from the county on that.
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Speaker 3 (Community Hall): However, I would say, you know, yes, the ballot measure conversation is largely due to the uncertainty, as you mentioned. You know, as you know, the UUT is currently built into our forecast, and having that certainty, if it's continued, is helpful for our own budgeting forecast exercise as well.
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Speaker 20 (Community Hall): You're talking about the UUT? That's what you asked for, right?
95302:10:56.090 --> 02:11:00.110Speaker 20 (Community Hall): The question? No, but that is a good question.
95402:11:01.060 --> 02:11:19.149Speaker 20 (Community Hall): So, let's get… talk about the UUT. I know, Jonathan, somewhere in your
reports, you showed a comparison of where Cupertino is in relation to the other cities, and I think we were
considerably lower.
95502:11:20.130 --> 02:11:30.519Speaker 27 (Community Hall): Correct. It ranges from 2% to 5%, but that is comparing us to the 7th… we're one of seven cities in Santa Clara that have a UUT. Correct.
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Speaker 20 (Community Hall): Okay, so, and on… also on your, slide, presentation today, you've talked
about the modernizing of the tax space.
95702:11:43.660 --> 02:11:47.410Speaker 20 (Community Hall): What specifically, does that mean?
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Speaker 27 (Community Hall): That can range either from, the language used within the UUT, or including
additional, utilities, as the Vice Mayor said earlier, cable being one of the other options.
95902:12:02.020 --> 02:12:14.130Speaker 27 (Community Hall): Additionally, we can but, tap into water or sewer or garbage. However, many cities don't… don't tax or don't have a UUT on those utilities.
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Speaker 20 (Community Hall): Okay, so we haven't really done a study of the UUT in a while, right?
96102:12:24.590 --> 02:12:31.890
Speaker 27 (Community Hall): it, from my understanding, hasn't really been touched on or thoroughly
discussed in quite some time. Right.
96202:12:32.660 --> 02:12:39.949Speaker 20 (Community Hall): Okay. So my recommendation, Mayor, would be to, do an actual, study of the
UUT.
96302:12:40.280 --> 02:12:54.499Speaker 20 (Community Hall): implications. See where we are in relation to the other cities, and see what this modernizing that staff mentioned will get us in terms of additional revenue.
96402:12:55.520 --> 02:13:03.919
Speaker 27 (Community Hall): Currently, we do have that included in the attachment, the supplemental,
where we do compare ourselves as far as the rates,
96502:13:04.150 --> 02:13:09.130Speaker 27 (Community Hall): what Cupertuno sits in relation to the six other cities in the county.
96602:13:10.290 --> 02:13:15.659
Speaker 27 (Community Hall): And so, with that… and it breaks it down based off the type of utility, so
whether it's a
96702:13:15.770 --> 02:13:24.970Speaker 27 (Community Hall): Commercial, residential, broken down by, infrastructure for telephones, as well as electricity, gas, cable.
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Speaker 27 (Community Hall): And other utilities, like water, water, garbage, and sewer.
96902:13:29.780 --> 02:13:36.320Speaker 27 (Community Hall): So there is quite an extensive analysis that was brought by HDL. Pardon? At this point. Sorry.
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Speaker 2 (Community Hall): Okay, thank you.
97102:13:38.180 --> 02:13:39.210Speaker 20 (Community Hall): screen share that?
97202:13:39.460 --> 02:13:40.729
Speaker 23 (Community Hall): Yes, give me a brief moment.
97302:13:40.730 --> 02:13:41.660Speaker 27 (Community Hall): Thank you.
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02:13:42.370 --> 02:13:44.040Ken Duran, Item #10: Jonathan, do you want me to elaborate on that at all?
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Speaker 2 (Community Hall): The agenda packet was over… over 1,900 pages. It would really help if you
could get that to us.
97602:13:52.060 --> 02:13:53.800Ken Duran, Item #10: Do you want me to elaborate on that, Jonathan?
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Speaker 27 (Community Hall): Yes, that would be great. Thank you, Ken.
97802:13:56.570 --> 02:14:00.410Ken Duran, Item #10: Yeah, so I'm sorry, Ken Durang with HDL, we're the ones who prepared the report.
97902:14:01.980 --> 02:14:10.730
Ken Duran, Item #10: And, yeah, we did take a look at the other cities in Santa Clara County that have,
utility users' taxes.
98002:14:10.890 --> 02:14:13.539Ken Duran, Item #10: And we looked at the rate for each one of those.
98102:14:13.710 --> 02:14:17.840
Ken Duran, Item #10: And then we looked at the types of utilities that each one
982
02:14:18.080 --> 02:14:35.009Ken Duran, Item #10: taxes, and the revenue generation for each of those comparative cities. So there are some services that, Cupertino does not tax, which, when we talk about maybe modernizing the tax code.
98302:14:35.150 --> 02:14:38.960
Ken Duran, Item #10: You could add some of those services in there?
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02:14:39.130 --> 02:14:53.070Ken Duran, Item #10: Or you could increase the rate, or the other big issue that you have is the sunset clause that sunsets in, 2030, and whether you want to extend that beyond that, or if you want to
98502:14:53.270 --> 02:15:00.590
Ken Duran, Item #10: change some of the exemption categories that you currently have. So there's a
number of options.
98602:15:00.590 --> 02:15:10.530Speaker 19 (Community Hall): There is no screen share, and I couldn't find the supplemental report in the list of reports that shared.
98702:15:11.540 --> 02:15:19.830Speaker 27 (Community Hall): It was the first attachment, to the staff report, but… Oh.
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Speaker 27 (Community Hall): Awesome.
98902:15:22.900 --> 02:15:23.670Community Hall: Thank you, please.
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Ken Duran, Item #10: periods.
99102:15:24.930 --> 02:15:38.809Speaker 27 (Community Hall): So this is page 4 of the additional, or the supplemental analysis that was performed by HDL. This breaks down, where Cupatrino sits in relation to the 6 other cities of the 15 cities in Santa Clara.
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Speaker 27 (Community Hall): Okay.
99302:15:40.840 --> 02:15:47.510Ken Duran, Item #10: And you can see that your rate is on the lower side, some of those are other higher, and then others that have different
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Ken Duran, Item #10: Utilities that they… They tax as part of their UUT.
99502:16:07.940 --> 02:16:11.229Speaker 2 (Community Hall): I have to say that I like that we're a little bit lower,
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Speaker 2 (Community Hall): And I personally don't have an appetite for adding cable TV on, or actually any
other utilities than what we have right now.
99702:16:22.090 --> 02:16:29.299Speaker 2 (Community Hall): and my thoughts on the UUT, to extend it would be that it would be,
998
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Speaker 2 (Community Hall): perceptually the least painful, because it's merely a continuation of something
that we're already paying.
99902:16:37.450 --> 02:16:43.319Speaker 2 (Community Hall): So adding on or doubling it, seems problematic, but,
100002:16:44.799 --> 02:16:47.869Speaker 2 (Community Hall): I'd like to hear from the other council members about that.
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Speaker 2 (Community Hall): But, out of all of them, I… this is one that I prefer because it's an existing one,
and I think it might be easier to, when you're doing your polling, to have support for it than adding new taxes.
100202:17:07.360 --> 02:17:14.029Speaker 2 (Community Hall): And I haven't… we haven't heard yet from Councilmember Fruen. Yep, there you are, you're next. Councilmember Fruen.
1003
02:17:14.030 --> 02:17:22.070Speaker 18 (Community Hall): So yeah, I broadly agree with you. I'm glad that we're on the low side here. I think the only other one that has a UUT that is lower is Sunnyvale.
100402:17:24.010 --> 02:17:33.489Speaker 18 (Community Hall): I think that it is certainly an easier pill to swallow to simply extend an existing
tax. It's something that we're already all paying, a lot of us probably
100502:17:33.660 --> 02:17:46.760Speaker 18 (Community Hall): don't even realize that we're paying it. It's not like the type of bill that you typically see every time that you go to the grocery store or somewhere else, and you see the things that are taxable and go, gee, why am I…
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Speaker 18 (Community Hall): having to fork over this extra money.
100702:17:52.000 --> 02:17:58.269Speaker 18 (Community Hall): I would definitely like to see some polling on it. I think it's worth at least seeing whether our…
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02:17:58.750 --> 02:18:05.919
Speaker 18 (Community Hall): Supposition about… public sentiment is… is accurate on the topic? Would…
100902:18:05.950 --> 02:18:23.450Speaker 18 (Community Hall): people be willing to go to 3, but that's the only thing that I would want to know, is just what is public sentiment on that point, if it still remains relatively low? I'm not interested in adding any additional categories. I think that that's a bigger lift.
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Speaker 20 (Community Hall): Thank you, Councilmember Mohan.
101102:18:27.419 --> 02:18:40.039
Speaker 20 (Community Hall): Yeah, I just wanted to add to, the comments made by you, as well as
Councilmember Fruen, about the utility users tax. It is, it is an extension, and if we
101202:18:40.229 --> 02:18:43.549Speaker 20 (Community Hall): And if that's how we…
1013
02:18:44.539 --> 02:19:01.119Speaker 20 (Community Hall): go to the ballot on, I don't think that'll be a problem. In general, extensions of current taxes pass fairly easily. And I wasn't also suggesting that we double the rate, but I think a slight uptick
101402:19:01.449 --> 02:19:09.069
Speaker 20 (Community Hall): based on… on the modernizing that you talked about, Jonathan, would,
101502:19:10.409 --> 02:19:15.419Speaker 20 (Community Hall): Would be able to be a little more palatable then.
101602:19:15.539 --> 02:19:18.879Speaker 20 (Community Hall): Any of the other revenue measures we're looking at.
1017
02:19:19.245 --> 02:19:22.985Speaker 27 (Community Hall): certainly as, Councilmember Freuing, discussed,
101802:19:23.235 --> 02:19:29.054Speaker 27 (Community Hall): As we go out through polling, we can include in there what is the appetite, or what…
1019
02:19:29.245 --> 02:19:33.444Speaker 27 (Community Hall): Whether or not a… Countless residents would
102002:19:33.684 --> 02:19:44.014Speaker 27 (Community Hall): support slightly increasing it or remaining the same. Based off of the polling results, we'll return to Council, at which point the Council will provide us direction whether to keep it
1021
02:19:44.285 --> 02:19:46.805Speaker 27 (Community Hall): Static at 2.4, or increase it.
102202:19:48.580 --> 02:19:49.429Speaker 20 (Community Hall): Okay, thank you.
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Speaker 2 (Community Hall): Vice Mayor?
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Speaker 19 (Community Hall): Yeah.
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Speaker 19 (Community Hall): So… I think we are trying to address our potential…
102602:20:00.390 --> 02:20:15.900Speaker 19 (Community Hall): budget need, not only from the sheriff's government, sheriff's sheriff's contract, but also from the reduction in sales tax due to the CTTFA audit, right? The way the… they…
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Speaker 19 (Community Hall): they compute, how much sales tax goes to Cupertino is different, so we are… we have been looking at at least 10 to 20 million lower than we had been getting. And this UUT, even if we… even if we do the very minimum, just continue it.
102802:20:33.840 --> 02:20:42.270
Speaker 19 (Community Hall): It doesn't address our budget issue, because we are looking at a very big
increase. So, although I…
102902:20:42.420 --> 02:20:52.589Speaker 19 (Community Hall): always hate to increase text, but I don't think if we are just saying, painting, do the very safe one, it doesn't address
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Speaker 19 (Community Hall): our need. So what do we do now? But the good thing is now, if we do it this
year, and it doesn't pass, we have another chance to try and do a more conservative one.
103102:21:07.290 --> 02:21:25.649Speaker 19 (Community Hall): But this year might be a year where we could explore potential modernization of the utility tax to consider other utility. I think especially internet. Since we are forced by the federal government to provide public right-of-way.
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Speaker 19 (Community Hall): To… for internet, to provide internet, small sales, and that has been a big impact on our…
103302:21:34.390 --> 02:21:43.940Speaker 19 (Community Hall): residents, and why… I think this, yes, it will… It's a tax on…
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Speaker 19 (Community Hall): those people who have internets, but it's also for the companies, and I think they need to compensate for that.
103502:21:53.170 --> 02:21:59.369Speaker 19 (Community Hall): I don't know, it's just… I think we do need to think about
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Speaker 19 (Community Hall): we need, additional revenue source. Then another thing I want to…
103702:22:06.290 --> 02:22:10.019Speaker 19 (Community Hall): For the business techs, I'm not sure.
1038
02:22:10.230 --> 02:22:12.610Speaker 19 (Community Hall): It's… thank you for the table.
103902:22:12.760 --> 02:22:21.059Speaker 19 (Community Hall): I see that… our… Per capita business tax is,
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Speaker 19 (Community Hall): lower compared to… to some city… cities who…
104102:22:29.010 --> 02:22:38.060Speaker 19 (Community Hall): are collecting $88 per capita. However, we are about the same level as other cities of our size.
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Speaker 19 (Community Hall): Like, Kimball, Gilroy, And, Saratoga and Sunnyvale.
104302:22:44.740 --> 02:22:50.320Speaker 19 (Community Hall): So… I do want to explore…
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Speaker 19 (Community Hall): some potential increase in business tax, but not too much. Not to the level of,
like, Mountain View, Palo Alto, San Jose.
104502:23:01.850 --> 02:23:03.410Speaker 19 (Community Hall): Or Santa Clara.
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Speaker 19 (Community Hall): Mmm…
104702:23:08.870 --> 02:23:13.300Speaker 19 (Community Hall): So what… So, if we want to explore
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Speaker 19 (Community Hall): Some slight increase in business tax.
104902:23:17.340 --> 02:23:22.500Speaker 19 (Community Hall): On what could we explore in… polling.
1050
02:23:23.640 --> 02:23:28.740Speaker 19 (Community Hall): Mmm… Ugh.
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Speaker 19 (Community Hall): What kind of things can we explore?
105202:23:32.490 --> 02:23:33.260Speaker 3 (Community Hall): Mmm.
105302:23:33.830 --> 02:23:36.710
Speaker 3 (Community Hall): Vice Mayor, that would…
1054
02:23:36.990 --> 02:23:54.029Speaker 3 (Community Hall): We would largely rely on council direction, if that's something that the Council majority wants us to take on at this time. We haven't really looked into what we could explore at this time, but if that's Council direction, we can go back and bring it back. Okay.
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Speaker 2 (Community Hall): So I… I'm not interested in exploring more than one item, for the ballot, and I
think it's gonna be a challenge, if the…
105602:24:07.830 --> 02:24:26.139Speaker 2 (Community Hall): if the, transportation, increase also makes it. In that one, they're trying to do that as an initiative, which only needs 50% plus 1 to pass. They are trying to lower the bar on that one.
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Speaker 2 (Community Hall): so I… personally, I like the idea of perhaps going to some polling regarding,
extending the UUT, but I… I don't like the idea of expanding, to either cable or… or internet.
105802:24:42.120 --> 02:24:46.450Speaker 2 (Community Hall): Making it a little harder for people to have Wi-Fi.
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Speaker 2 (Community Hall): Councilmember Fruen?
106002:24:49.940 --> 02:24:52.380Speaker 18 (Community Hall): Yeah, so I just wanted to…
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Speaker 18 (Community Hall): offer my support for those comments. I think that that's…
106202:24:55.830 --> 02:25:08.939Speaker 18 (Community Hall): reflective of the general temperature in the community, and I think just the overall equities of the situation. I also forgot my manners earlier. I wanted to thank you for the presentation
at the beginning, because I thought it set the table fairly well for reminding everyone
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Speaker 18 (Community Hall): That we do actually contribute more than our fair share to the county. A lot of folks are surprised when they discover that for the first time, when Prop 13 became law.
106402:25:20.120 --> 02:25:35.200Speaker 18 (Community Hall): Cities had to figure out exactly how they were going to continue to fund their
services. One of the compromises that was hammered out at the state level was AB8. AB8 reapportioned
how we do property tax based upon who had a property tax before, and since Cupertino
106502:25:35.380 --> 02:25:49.300Speaker 18 (Community Hall): didn't have the kinds of property taxes that some of our neighboring cities did, we did… do not get as much. And unfortunately, we live with that legacy now. So, as a result, we give more than a lot of our neighboring jurisdictions do.
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Speaker 2 (Community Hall): Okay, so we need to provide some direction to staff on this item.
106702:25:56.350 --> 02:26:16.290Speaker 19 (Community Hall): Yes. Yeah, first of all, yeah, really thank you for the sharing those, data from the beginning… at the beginning. It's eye-opening how much we are contributing more to the county, and this is… I hope that we share with the county supervisors,
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Speaker 19 (Community Hall): Maybe with a presentation at their meeting?
106902:26:19.720 --> 02:26:38.440Speaker 19 (Community Hall): But then I… I see the sentiment that… it seems the sentiment is we only want to continue the existing UUT. But then I do have a question for my fellow council members. If we only do that, how would we address the…
1070
02:26:39.280 --> 02:26:51.959Speaker 19 (Community Hall): budget shortfall from a reduction in… we already have in sales tax, and a potential increase in sheriff. And even if we explore
107102:26:52.040 --> 02:27:02.400Speaker 19 (Community Hall): having our own share of station, that likely is going to cost more. So how
would you feel how we could address the budget shortfall?
107202:27:10.220 --> 02:27:11.500Speaker 2 (Community Hall): Councilmember Mohan.
107302:27:13.170 --> 02:27:18.159Speaker 20 (Community Hall): Just to follow up on, the Vice Mayor's comments,
1074
02:27:19.380 --> 02:27:23.160Speaker 20 (Community Hall): I think it would make sense not just to,
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Speaker 20 (Community Hall): not just to increase the UUT at the current rate, but to at least look at some
possibilities in terms of modernizing the tax base and see where that leads us. So there is a…
107602:27:37.510 --> 02:27:42.050Speaker 20 (Community Hall): A chance that… Our rate could go up beyond.
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Speaker 20 (Community Hall): 2.4%.
107802:27:44.530 --> 02:27:51.770Speaker 20 (Community Hall): Oh, and maybe the results will prove that there is no appetite for it, but I think it's still worth exploring.
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Speaker 2 (Community Hall): Alright, thank you.
108002:27:56.720 --> 02:28:05.939Speaker 2 (Community Hall): We do also have some other suggestions within this packet, with regards to, Balancing our budget.
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Speaker 2 (Community Hall): Including, potential staffing.
108202:28:10.920 --> 02:28:33.720Speaker 2 (Community Hall): reductions and looking at removing, many items or some items off of the CIP budget, because we've got a lot of items that have been carrying over, which we might not have, a desire to have them implemented, if… once… once we look at it again. I know we looked at the CIP prioritization matrix, and they now have.
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Speaker 2 (Community Hall): prioritization scores associated with them, and we had talked about removing items that were below, I think it was 200, 250,
108402:28:44.440 --> 02:29:08.270Speaker 2 (Community Hall): which will change the, the amount that we have, allocated, I believe. I think, Jonathan, you could probably, clarify that. When we were looking at the, prioritization matrix from the CIP,
we were looking at removing items that were under… it might have been 250, but, what would that impact
be with regards to any funds that might have already been.
108502:29:08.270 --> 02:29:10.360Speaker 2 (Community Hall): Appropriated.
108602:29:11.570 --> 02:29:19.819Speaker 27 (Community Hall): If I remember correctly, the listing that had that prioritization did not include existing, approved projects, but,
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Community Hall: Correct me if I'm wrong.
108802:29:24.580 --> 02:29:39.130Speaker 27 (Community Hall): Yeah, so that would just affect, new projects. So, if you were to remove those projects, they essentially would not be in the hopper, they just wouldn't… it wouldn't occur. What you could do is, if there is an existing project that hasn't commenced.
1089
02:29:39.230 --> 02:29:48.360Speaker 27 (Community Hall): or does not… that directly affects the… this general fund, you could pursue on defunding that. However, there would have… you would…
109002:29:48.440 --> 02:30:00.710Speaker 27 (Community Hall): An analysis would have to be conducted to ensure that defunding a project
would decrease, or would contribute to funding the general fund, or relieve some of those encumbrances.
109102:30:01.430 --> 02:30:03.020Speaker 2 (Community Hall): Okay, thank you.
109202:30:04.270 --> 02:30:06.280Speaker 2 (Community Hall): Vice Mayor.
1093
02:30:08.100 --> 02:30:19.449Speaker 19 (Community Hall): So, then I do have a question. So, this is a table from… for the utility tax. We are at 2.4%, the other cities are at…
109402:30:19.810 --> 02:30:24.780Speaker 19 (Community Hall): 3 to 5% on 2.2% for Sunnyvale.
1095
02:30:24.910 --> 02:30:34.109Speaker 19 (Community Hall): And so, we are… are we… can we do polling? Are we going to call and ask for…
109602:30:34.730 --> 02:30:42.580Speaker 19 (Community Hall): Potential for 3 or 4? What… what… are we just asking for extending the
current one?
109702:30:42.890 --> 02:30:50.850Speaker 19 (Community Hall): But, or would the staff bring back as options to look at? Or the staff will make a decision on that.
109802:30:51.070 --> 02:30:56.099Speaker 19 (Community Hall): I don't think we have time for another reading for us to decide how to pull, right?
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Speaker 27 (Community Hall): So currently, I will work closely with Greg Card, our purchasing manager, who has been actively speaking with two possible consultants that would assess the city with conducting polling, community outreach, developing the ballot language.
110002:31:13.360 --> 02:31:20.699Speaker 27 (Community Hall): At which point, we'll return to Council with a contract and a scope of work.
1101
02:31:20.770 --> 02:31:23.040Speaker 27 (Community Hall): Which… well…
110202:31:23.150 --> 02:31:37.829Speaker 27 (Community Hall): We can discuss whether that's going to go in consent or, an action item, and then pursue, move forward from there, whether… with the parkland, we would just conduct the, the, public
outreach, whereas this, this would be a little more.
110302:31:37.830 --> 02:31:46.039Speaker 27 (Community Hall): extensive, where polling would be conducted, and then we would return back to Council at a later date with the, results of that polling.
110402:31:46.250 --> 02:32:04.259
Speaker 19 (Community Hall): I guess my question is more for the mayor, so… or the council members, do
we now give a direction for the polling to only extend the current one, or do we want to see the appetite for
an increase?
110502:32:05.310 --> 02:32:06.700Speaker 19 (Community Hall): Hmm, what's…
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Speaker 2 (Community Hall): Councilmember Fruen.
110702:32:12.480 --> 02:32:18.120Speaker 18 (Community Hall): Would we expect there to be any significant cost differential in polling more than one question?
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Speaker 27 (Community Hall): as far as questions, I… I don't know where we're limited to, but from…
110902:32:25.410 --> 02:32:29.539Speaker 27 (Community Hall): 5 to 10 questions, I don't think it's going to materially change the cost. Yeah.
111002:32:29.560 --> 02:32:47.620Speaker 27 (Community Hall): I think a lot of it's gonna fall how the population they're going to be reaching out to. I think that that's going to also be time-consuming, so obviously we're going to try to narrow the scope so that we can get a timeline, so that we can return back to Council with the results, at which point
we would have to kind of
111102:32:47.750 --> 02:33:05.410Speaker 27 (Community Hall): coordinate or agendize future, Council meetings to just… to provide either language or get your approval. The, the deadlines to get this council, or Council would have to approve the, the language, no later than early August.
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Speaker 27 (Community Hall): So we have a very short window to conduct the polling, outreach, and council
approval.
111302:33:11.475 --> 02:33:20.085Speaker 18 (Community Hall): Sure. My only point here is just, if we're going to poll anyway, then I would want to have a little bit more information than
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Speaker 18 (Community Hall): just the one question. So if it's, you know, it'll give us some perspective, at a
minimum, to say.
111502:33:26.305 --> 02:33:32.405Speaker 18 (Community Hall): Well, if 2.4 is what we're at already, and you now know that, if you never did before…
1116
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Speaker 18 (Community Hall): Then would you be okay with 3 if it helped the city continue to provide the services?
111702:33:38.985 --> 02:33:43.425Speaker 18 (Community Hall): that you… you like. And if we get a pretty clear no, then…
1118
02:33:43.685 --> 02:33:49.634
Speaker 18 (Community Hall): maybe people are only okay with 2.4. Maybe we even discovered that 2.4 is too much for folks right now, so…
111902:33:49.805 --> 02:33:51.885Speaker 18 (Community Hall): you know, I just… I think it's worth…
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Speaker 18 (Community Hall): Finding out where the pressure point is.
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Speaker 2 (Community Hall): Okay, thank you for that. I tend to agree. I'm curious about, if it would, improve, the polling, if they were to start with a question about our other proposed ballot measure, which is the parkland.
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Speaker 2 (Community Hall): starts with a nice question about parkland and then moves on to taxes, as
opposed to starting with taxes and then hoping you're going to get a good response about parkland afterwards. That might not work, but would that be something we could do to roll those items together?
112302:34:30.080 --> 02:34:30.840Speaker 2 (Community Hall): I'm sure we…
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Speaker 27 (Community Hall): could, develop the sequence of the questions appropriately. So, by the sounds of it, you would also want to conduct a parkland question, including the polling.
112502:34:42.960 --> 02:34:48.689Speaker 2 (Community Hall): I would, if it saves us money, and we can still get clear answers, responses to both questions.
1126
02:34:49.370 --> 02:34:55.989Speaker 2 (Community Hall): Okay. But I would need to have support from the whole council to see if we would…
112702:34:56.130 --> 02:34:58.939Speaker 2 (Community Hall): All agree to doing that.
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02:35:00.660 --> 02:35:05.700Speaker 19 (Community Hall): So Mayor, just thinking about the Parkland major.
112902:35:06.930 --> 02:35:21.479Speaker 19 (Community Hall): Do you think, the polling result… that would complicate the questions, but I'm just wondering, would polling result, change your decision on whether to put it on the ballot or not?
1130
02:35:24.600 --> 02:35:43.720Speaker 2 (Community Hall): Well, I would think it would influence us. It should. I mean, that's the point of doing the polling, is to get a read on the public's view of it. And if there's not support, then that… you know, we need to listen to what they're interested in. And same with the, if you're trying to do a slight uptick on
113102:35:43.720 --> 02:35:46.309
Speaker 2 (Community Hall): the UUT,
113202:35:46.350 --> 02:35:53.529Speaker 2 (Community Hall): you need to get a read on that to see if there's support for it, otherwise that item, it's gonna fail. It's that… that's why we're here.
113302:35:53.530 --> 02:35:54.290Speaker 19 (Community Hall): more…
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Speaker 19 (Community Hall): Okay, but parkland is more complex. It depends on how the question is
asked, and a lot of times these questions are…
113502:36:02.890 --> 02:36:10.810Speaker 19 (Community Hall): The way it's framed affect how it… what answers you'll get, so…
1136
02:36:11.060 --> 02:36:12.069
Speaker 19 (Community Hall): Yeah, just one.
113702:36:12.075 --> 02:36:12.775Speaker 20 (Community Hall): Okay.
1138
02:36:12.780 --> 02:36:15.840
Speaker 2 (Community Hall): Councilmember Frew, and then Councilmember Mohan.
113902:36:16.250 --> 02:36:23.230Speaker 18 (Community Hall): Yeah, I mean, I'd, in this same vein, definitely like to know if people's position changes once they discover
1140
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Speaker 18 (Community Hall): You know, what our structural deficit looks like with the sheriff's
114102:36:27.160 --> 02:36:32.570Speaker 18 (Community Hall): contract at New Figures, because I'm not even sure if most people are aware.
114202:36:32.990 --> 02:36:35.869
Speaker 18 (Community Hall): And I think that that's a critical point.
1143
02:36:36.230 --> 02:36:50.780Speaker 18 (Community Hall): If an extra question about parkland doesn't cost us anything, then that seems harmless. I just want to make sure that we're not spending a lot of additional money on that if we can figure out more things about this specific tax.
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Speaker 18 (Community Hall): So I'm not oppositional in any way, I just want to make sure that if we're
going to spend money on it, that we're spending it on the thing that's likely to give us something back. I'll
just reiterate when we had the…
114502:37:01.120 --> 02:37:13.069
Speaker 18 (Community Hall): the parkland question in front of us, given that these tend to pass by
overwhelming margins, I'm not super concerned about the likelihood of it passing, so I'm not super worried about polling on it.
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Speaker 2 (Community Hall): Councilmember Mohan?
114702:37:17.690 --> 02:37:20.299Speaker 20 (Community Hall): Yes, if I recall,
114802:37:21.800 --> 02:37:25.989
Speaker 20 (Community Hall): the discussion on the part line measure, we… we weren't…
1149
02:37:27.630 --> 02:37:35.300Speaker 20 (Community Hall): we… at least, I thought that the cost of putting it on as a ballot measure did not,
115002:37:35.490 --> 02:37:39.550
Speaker 20 (Community Hall): Was not justified at this time.
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02:37:39.770 --> 02:37:45.940Speaker 20 (Community Hall): So, now if you're saying add the Parkland measure to the UUT extension.
115202:37:46.820 --> 02:37:53.109Speaker 20 (Community Hall): I'm not sure where that's going to get us. People don't want Parkland.
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Speaker 20 (Community Hall): To be changed, so there will be an overwhelming, likely an overwhelming, yes to that.
115402:38:02.220 --> 02:38:05.490Speaker 20 (Community Hall): But where would that take us, and what would it.
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Speaker 27 (Community Hall): resulted.
115602:38:08.510 --> 02:38:11.099Speaker 27 (Community Hall): I'm sorry, can you repeat what the question is?
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Speaker 20 (Community Hall): The question is, if we include the partland measure, issue on the ballot.
115802:38:20.520 --> 02:38:25.880Speaker 20 (Community Hall): And people generally will say, yes, I would assume.
115902:38:26.330 --> 02:38:28.780Speaker 20 (Community Hall): and… and then what?
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Speaker 27 (Community Hall): We may be getting off topic, but.
116102:38:33.260 --> 02:38:40.129Speaker 20 (Community Hall): And the question really was, I think I was posing it to my… Fellow council members.
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Speaker 2 (Community Hall): Oh, pardon, I was just trying to see if we could, rather than having separate
polling on the parkland measure, that we would, combine a question on it, very, very simply,
116302:38:54.380 --> 02:39:02.080Speaker 2 (Community Hall): It… to, add it to this polling in order to potentially save money. So, that's a thought.
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Speaker 2 (Community Hall): Okay.
116502:39:06.010 --> 02:39:10.919Speaker 2 (Community Hall): And it is a… it is a separate… it, you know, it would be a separate agenda item.
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Speaker 2 (Community Hall): So, just trying to see if adding that on is, is, like, acceptable.
116702:39:18.640 --> 02:39:25.529Speaker 2 (Community Hall): So at this time, do we have enough, direction from the Council for staff, or do you need more?
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Speaker 27 (Community Hall): We'll need to take action, okay?
116902:39:27.435 --> 02:39:40.084Speaker 3 (Community Hall): I just want to mention one thing quickly. You know, we… staff has presented a lot of different options, and it sounds like Council's ready to provide direction on which ballot measures to move forward with.
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02:39:40.085 --> 02:39:48.354
Speaker 3 (Community Hall): You know, since this is coming up, I just thought a good time to just remind everyone is on April… as of April 1st.
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Speaker 3 (Community Hall): the local sales tax will go up in Cupertino because of the County Measure A, so that's just something to keep in mind, right, is if it's a UUT is something that
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Speaker 3 (Community Hall): Our residents are already paying, you know, is…
117302:40:02.965 --> 02:40:10.094Speaker 3 (Community Hall): like you mentioned, an easier one to put on ballot, but I also just wanted to take this opportunity to remind everyone that April 1st is coming up, so…
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Speaker 2 (Community Hall): Okay, thank you. Does anyone have a motion, or at this time, I think we… we
seem to have some consensus about the UUT, and we're interested in having polling to looking at some
potential uptick, or keeping it the same.
117502:40:30.220 --> 02:40:40.279Speaker 2 (Community Hall): And… possibly looking at, adding in some other areas, but I'm very… I'm leery of that one.
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Speaker 2 (Community Hall): And then having the polling include a brief question about the parkland ballot measure, if possible. Do you need more direction than that?
117702:40:52.240 --> 02:40:53.570Speaker 2 (Community Hall): Or is that adequate?
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Speaker 27 (Community Hall): I think that's sufficient direction. However, it is an action.
117902:40:59.345 --> 02:41:16.924Speaker 2 (Community Hall): So that's a motion? Yes. That's… correct. So I, I, I move, the following, that we are going to, direct staff to conduct polling for, the UUT at the current rate, with a slight uptick, and,
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Speaker 2 (Community Hall): Also asking about doing some modernization, about what's included, and add in the, a brief question about parkland.
118102:41:27.155 --> 02:41:29.554Speaker 2 (Community Hall): the Parkland ballot measure. Do I have a second?
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Speaker 19 (Community Hall): Second, I do have a question. So, would we, in the questioning, provide background about why we need it?
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Speaker 2 (Community Hall): I would leave that to the experts on what… how to…
118402:41:44.980 --> 02:41:47.840Speaker 2 (Community Hall): Bird things to get… to get the information.
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02:41:48.280 --> 02:41:59.719Speaker 27 (Community Hall): Yes, the consultants can help strategize on how the, the polling is conducted to ensure that we… that the, the, whoever's being polled is informed, and we received a
118602:42:00.060 --> 02:42:06.629Speaker 27 (Community Hall): a response that, that, that would lead to a, well, an informed response. Okay.
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02:42:06.815 --> 02:42:19.664Speaker 19 (Community Hall): Yeah, I remember some… once I received a question, polling phone call, they asked first about, would you support X? And then they say, no.
118802:42:19.665 --> 02:42:36.405Speaker 19 (Community Hall): But now they provide information about, A, and now that you know A, would
you support X? And now that you know A and B, would you support X? I don't know, is that something that
they might be doing, or…
118902:42:37.145 --> 02:42:40.684Speaker 19 (Community Hall): So they will decide on that. I'm not sure how.
119002:42:40.685 --> 02:43:00.545
Speaker 27 (Community Hall): it would actually lay out… the city would have to first contract with a
particular consultant, and then we'd have those conversations, and how the poll is going to be… what's the
first question? Is it going to be informative? Is it… does it lead to a second question, or how segmented is
the poll?
119102:43:00.870 --> 02:43:02.750Speaker 19 (Community Hall): Okay, yeah, thanks.
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Speaker 20 (Community Hall): Okay, thank you.
119302:43:03.925 --> 02:43:11.624Speaker 2 (Community Hall): So, you did second, correct? Okay, do we have any further comments on that, or do… are we ready to conduct the roll call vote?
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02:43:12.665 --> 02:43:17.834
Speaker 2 (Community Hall): the vote. Okay. Madam City Clerk, will you please conduct the roll call vote?
119502:43:17.835 --> 02:43:18.695
Speaker 7 (Community Hall): Bye.
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Speaker 7 (Community Hall): Councilman Rojan? Aye.
119702:43:20.855 --> 02:43:27.424Speaker 7 (Community Hall): Vice Mayor Cho? Aye. Mayor Moore? Aye. The motion carries with Wong absent. Okay, so we've been.
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Speaker 2 (Community Hall): at it for a while, we're gonna take a 5-minute break. Thank you.
119902:51:09.715 --> 02:51:19.485Speaker 2 (Community Hall): Next, we have item 11, the Bletch Property Study on Opportunities for Optimal Use. Madam City Manager, do we have a staff report?
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02:51:19.755 --> 02:51:34.295
Speaker 3 (Community Hall): Thank you, Mayor. We do have a staff report, and this item is to talk about the Bletch property. Council had requested that we bring an item forward to consider the future use of this property, and tonight we'll be providing some information.
120102:51:34.435 --> 02:51:46.334
Speaker 3 (Community Hall): on this, and some concepts for Council consideration, and for Council to
provide direction to staff. And with that, I will turn it over to Chad Mosley, the Director of Public Works, to
walk us through this item.
120202:51:48.945 --> 02:51:55.104Speaker 3 (Community Hall): Thank you, and… Thank you, members of Council. Chad Mosley, Director of Public Works.
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Speaker 28 (Community Hall): I'm here to present briefly.
120402:51:57.300 --> 02:52:06.589Speaker 28 (Community Hall): A little bit of information on the Blessh property, and kind of some available concepts to consider for future, action on that property.
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Speaker 28 (Community Hall): And so I will take it away.
120602:52:09.520 --> 02:52:20.559Speaker 28 (Community Hall): Tonight's subject is, again, the blush property. The recommended action is to receive the presentation, and we recommend option one, but, you guys can choose what you want to do here, so…
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Speaker 28 (Community Hall): For some background, the property is located at 22050 Stevens Creek Boulevard, and the city purchased it back in 2014.
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02:52:31.490 --> 02:52:46.459
Speaker 28 (Community Hall): It's, about a half an acre at Zone Parks and Rec, and it currently has a single-
family residence on there that hasn't been updated in decades. The whole property's located in Zone AE,
which is…
120902:52:46.670 --> 02:52:48.319Speaker 28 (Community Hall): Basically, where they…
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Speaker 28 (Community Hall): It's in the flood zone. There is a heavy chance of its flooding every handful of
years. In fact, this property is one of our few multiple flooded properties. They've made claims multiple times in the past.
121102:53:06.420 --> 02:53:16.249Speaker 28 (Community Hall): And as indicated, it kind of needs significant upgrades if we want to use it as a public facility. The property is not ADA accessible, and there are other things that would need to be
upgraded.
121202:53:17.190 --> 02:53:28.460Speaker 28 (Community Hall): It is located, west of Blackberry Farm Golf Course in the Blue Pheasant, kind of northwest of the golf course. It's immediately south of Stevens Creek, and
121302:53:28.570 --> 02:53:35.020
Speaker 28 (Community Hall): it's a south of Stevens Creek Boulevard and northeast of Stevens Creek.
121402:53:35.200 --> 02:53:40.769Speaker 28 (Community Hall): And it's east of the Stocklemeyer house. And here is an aerial of the property.
121502:53:41.070 --> 02:53:43.250Speaker 28 (Community Hall): Again.
1216
02:53:43.490 --> 02:53:50.610Speaker 28 (Community Hall): Blackberry… the Blackberry Farm Golf Course in Blue Pheasant parking lot is there on the right, Stevens Creek, to the top.
121702:53:50.800 --> 02:53:57.310Speaker 28 (Community Hall): Stevens Creek Boulevard to the top, and the creek runs along the westerly
and southerly portion of the property.
121802:53:57.430 --> 02:54:07.519Speaker 28 (Community Hall): You can see the house there in the middle, with basically driveway and some access. There are a couple of large trees that are along the creek frontage there.
121902:54:09.130 --> 02:54:17.999Speaker 28 (Community Hall): So here's just some options. This is for brainstorming. I am not saying you need to do any of these. This is just ideas.
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Speaker 28 (Community Hall): You know, one of the… what we're recommending is, let's convert it to park. That was the original intent for purchasing it. The property was zoned to Parks and Rec years ago, with the intent of turning it into park space.
122102:54:29.780 --> 02:54:31.200Speaker 28 (Community Hall): So we…
1222
02:54:31.730 --> 02:54:49.039Speaker 28 (Community Hall): there's a, you know, because it's in the flood zone, I don't recommend you leave a structure in there, so we're kind of recommending demoing the structure and converting it to park. You could do a… it's not a huge parcel, like I said, it's somewhere around a half acre, so you could have a passive park use.
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02:54:49.360 --> 02:54:52.869
Speaker 28 (Community Hall): Again, I'm not recommending any buildings.
122402:54:53.190 --> 02:55:03.299Speaker 28 (Community Hall): whatever we do, let's do a minimal amount of grading. We don't want to be affecting the FEMA flood zone. That entails huge amount of effort to
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Speaker 28 (Community Hall): See if you are affecting any properties negatively with respect to your
grading.
122602:55:08.790 --> 02:55:16.499Speaker 28 (Community Hall): And we could do amenities that are, you know, consistent with the Parks and Rec Master Plan, and I threw in here, you know, or community interests.
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Speaker 28 (Community Hall): And… If you look, if you,
122802:55:21.860 --> 02:55:34.940Speaker 28 (Community Hall): you know, looked at the staff report. I had mentioned a labyrinth in there. We've heard, both myself and Michelle have heard from a number of people talking about having a labyrinth. I threw it in there. It's not in the Parks and Rec Master Plan. Again, it's for brainstorming ideas.
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02:55:35.460 --> 02:55:39.719
Speaker 28 (Community Hall): By converting it to park, we would be consistent with zoning,
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02:55:39.850 --> 02:55:51.969
Speaker 28 (Community Hall): We could use park-in-lieu funds with this, because we are enhancing park features and making it, more available, or you could use… you can serve more people by providing additional park lands.
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Speaker 28 (Community Hall): And, you know, again, we could include various recommendations for the
Parks and Rec Master Plan, like a pollinator garden. This property runs right along a pollinator corridor, as mentioned in the Parks and Rec Master Plan.
123202:56:08.160 --> 02:56:12.669Speaker 28 (Community Hall): You can do some outdoor seating, some tables. Again, I throw the labyrinth in there.
1233
02:56:14.500 --> 02:56:33.450Speaker 28 (Community Hall): Option 2 would be kind of a modified scope for park improvements. There was, a handful of years ago, a Stevens Creek Corridor Master Plan that was initiated, but never completed. That master plan did, discuss the potential of expanding the parking lot in that area.
123402:56:33.620 --> 02:56:37.599
Speaker 28 (Community Hall): So that could be an option to consider, is expanding the parking lots.
123502:56:39.480 --> 02:56:54.310Speaker 28 (Community Hall): you know, again, a minimal amount of grading there. I'm recommending, again, no building structures so we can minimize FEMA impacts there. Or you could do kind of a mix of parking and maybe some outdoor picnic area or seating, something along those lines.
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Speaker 28 (Community Hall): Option 3 could be retain the existing structure. We would need to, put a lot of
money into that structure to bring it up to,
123702:57:04.060 --> 02:57:14.010Speaker 28 (Community Hall): the ability for the public to utilize it. This could be a little more expensive than some of the other options, and we would have ongoing flood zone concerns or limitations with that.
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Speaker 28 (Community Hall): Option 4 would be build a new structure. We could do a new city facility in
that area. Again, probably even more expensive than renovating the last projects.
123902:57:23.960 --> 02:57:30.029Speaker 28 (Community Hall): Any new structure, we would need to consider the long-term flood risks. We would probably actually have to get
1240
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Speaker 28 (Community Hall): you know, raise it above the flood zone, do a whole lot of effort to try and ensure we're not negatively impacting other properties. This is the one I least recommend.
1241
02:57:40.660 --> 02:57:41.360Speaker 28 (Community Hall): And then…
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02:57:41.680 --> 02:57:57.819
Speaker 28 (Community Hall): I know everybody likes to know the no… the no action option. We could just
leave it as it is. That's probably the cheapest option, but it's really… it's a beautiful piece of land that's not
being utilized to its fullest, so again, we don't recommend that at this point in time.
124302:57:58.570 --> 02:58:12.339Speaker 28 (Community Hall): So again, tonight's recommended action is, you know, just receive the presentation and provide us, provide us some inputs. And like I said, we recommend option one because we think that'll be the one that best serves the community.
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02:58:13.790 --> 02:58:21.959Speaker 2 (Community Hall): That's it. Thank you. Thank you, Chad. Thank you very much for that report, and thank you for adding the
124502:58:22.010 --> 02:58:38.990Speaker 2 (Community Hall): the labyrinth in, and I understand that it hasn't received a lot of popular
support, but I do want to mention that there is a labyrinth, next to the parking lot at McClellan, and… and
the
124602:58:39.110 --> 02:58:44.879Speaker 2 (Community Hall): the Boy Scouts have an area which is a pollinator,
124702:58:45.200 --> 02:58:51.900
Speaker 2 (Community Hall): garden, but it's way over on the other part of the McClellan Preserve. So…
124802:58:52.590 --> 02:58:59.340Speaker 2 (Community Hall): If I don't have any… too many comments from the Council right now, I'd like to open this up for… okay, Councilmember Fruen?
124902:59:00.170 --> 02:59:03.260
Speaker 18 (Community Hall): Yeah, this is hopefully just a quick one.
125002:59:03.880 --> 02:59:06.889Speaker 18 (Community Hall): Many years ago, there had been a lot of discussion
125102:59:07.120 --> 02:59:13.209Speaker 18 (Community Hall): through the Historical Society about this particular property, and I'm just
curious as to
125202:59:13.360 --> 02:59:16.439Speaker 18 (Community Hall): What conversations, if any, have occurred.
1253
02:59:16.620 --> 02:59:17.949Speaker 18 (Community Hall): with the society.
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02:59:19.170 --> 02:59:22.809
Speaker 28 (Community Hall): I've not personally had any conversations with the Historical Society.
125502:59:22.930 --> 02:59:28.570Speaker 28 (Community Hall): I recall conversations years ago being more about the use of the Stocklemire property.
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Speaker 18 (Community Hall): about that, so that's true, but there was also talk in Dave Knapp's time on this
topic about this site, so I'm just curious as to whether there was any contact with the Historical Society.
125702:59:38.405 --> 02:59:40.935Speaker 28 (Community Hall): Not content. Okay, alright, that's fine. Thank you.
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Speaker 2 (Community Hall): Thank you. Vice Mayor? Yeah.
125902:59:46.390 --> 02:59:53.009Speaker 19 (Community Hall): So… On the current, so the property currently is being used as storage.
126002:59:53.270 --> 02:59:59.730
Speaker 19 (Community Hall): Would… what would we… what's the plan to move those things?
1261
03:00:00.390 --> 03:00:06.280Speaker 19 (Community Hall): to… other places? Is there… If we take it down.
126203:00:06.560 --> 03:00:08.339Speaker 19 (Community Hall): Tear down the property.
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Speaker 28 (Community Hall): whatever is being stored in there would be… would need to be relocated to other facilities. Worst case, we may need to rent a storage locker temporarily for that… for those things, but…
126403:00:20.750 --> 03:00:25.299
Speaker 19 (Community Hall): So the city currently doesn't have other space to store them?
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03:00:25.635 --> 03:00:30.404Speaker 28 (Community Hall): I would have to check. I mean, I know most of our storage spaces are being…
1266
03:00:30.945 --> 03:00:38.255Speaker 28 (Community Hall): readily utilized, which is one reason I think somebody said, here we go, here's some space that we can put stuff.
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Speaker 28 (Community Hall): So, I don't know how much is in there, I don't believe there's a lot in there,
and I think we could potentially, find other places within city facilities to locate it. I also think whenever you've got a lot of stuff, it's a good time to purge and get rid of what you don't need.
126803:00:52.090 --> 03:00:52.480Speaker 9 (Community Hall): Yeah.
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Speaker 19 (Community Hall): That's good. Okay, so if we tear it down, it will be open to the public, and this will be a really nice creek area. We can choose to do the very minimum, just leave it natural.
127003:01:05.560 --> 03:01:09.000Speaker 19 (Community Hall): Or put some picnic table there, at the most.
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Speaker 19 (Community Hall): So, in terms of parking for what was proposed for parking, my understanding is, that area is also a drop-off area for a school bus.
127203:01:21.080 --> 03:01:32.070Speaker 19 (Community Hall): visit. Right now, oh no, the school bus currently drop off on Stevens Creek, where there is no carve-out for bus drop-off, so…
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03:01:32.300 --> 03:01:40.590Speaker 19 (Community Hall): How come they didn't just drive into the golf course parking lot to drop off?
127403:01:40.870 --> 03:01:52.450Speaker 28 (Community Hall): So my understanding, and again, I'm not a bus driver, but they can't, utilize that driveway because the curvature of it could potentially bottom them out.
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03:01:52.450 --> 03:02:04.889Speaker 28 (Community Hall): There are… there is a wide section of Stevens Creek there in front of the Blue Pheasant, which is where they're utilizing… they kind of pull over to the side of the road, there's still plenty of travel lane access there, and that's where they drop off.
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Speaker 19 (Community Hall): So, even if we open this area up for potential bus parking, they still would
need… might not be able to get in? They may not be.
127703:02:15.905 --> 03:02:22.395Speaker 28 (Community Hall): We would have to look at that if we wanted to open this up for a bus drop-
off. Okay, thank you.
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Speaker 2 (Community Hall): Okay, thank you. So, we'll open it up for public comment at this time.
127903:02:30.520 --> 03:02:34.050Speaker 7 (Community Hall): Mayor, at this time, I have 4 requests to speak in person.
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Speaker 7 (Community Hall): And two hands raised virtually.
128103:02:36.750 --> 03:02:54.879Speaker 7 (Community Hall): Members of the public wishing to speak regarding this item shall submit a request to speak or raise their hand virtually within 9 minutes of the start of public comment, or before public comment period is closed, whichever comes first. At this time, we're going to welcome Jennifer Griffin,
followed by Claudio Bono, followed by Peggy Griffin, followed by Rhoda Fry. Welcome, Jennifer.
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03:03:02.840 --> 03:03:05.160Speaker 8 (Community Hall): Thank you, everyone.
128303:03:05.550 --> 03:03:19.940Speaker 8 (Community Hall): it's always good to talk about parkland that we actually have. I'm hoping in the
future we can purchase more, but I'm probably used to a lot of the parkland sitting vacant until it
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03:03:20.100 --> 03:03:25.710Speaker 8 (Community Hall): becomes something. I remember when the Blush property was purchased.
128503:03:25.890 --> 03:03:30.909Speaker 8 (Community Hall): I think it became available, and that's why the city snapped it up.
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Speaker 8 (Community Hall): It… I believe at the time that it was purchased, it was… the discussions were about providing parking there. I think the building at that point really hadn't been considered to be something
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Speaker 8 (Community Hall): that the city needed to retain for historical purposes, because I think it's… I
would… I don't know how old the house is, but it's probably looked like it was maybe the 30s or 40s. But it is
a half acre in a 100-year floodplain, as is most of that valley floor there.
128803:04:03.720 --> 03:04:13.409Speaker 8 (Community Hall): I just had a question. So, there have been discussions about what we're going to be doing with the Blackberry… sorry, with the Blue Pheasant building.
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Speaker 8 (Community Hall): Is that building in the floodplain, or is it high enough
129003:04:18.100 --> 03:04:22.400Speaker 8 (Community Hall): So, when we have this structure.
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Speaker 8 (Community Hall): How much does it cost to just essentially
129203:04:27.030 --> 03:04:43.949Speaker 8 (Community Hall): bandage it up for now and let it sit. Does it have a hole in the roof? Is, you know, are, issues… I mean, it's obviously in a floodplain, and it's been flooded before. I don't know if there was damage. Obviously, the family had lived there.
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03:04:44.110 --> 03:04:48.829Speaker 8 (Community Hall): But we might… Just see how much it would cost to just…
129403:04:49.360 --> 03:05:08.660Speaker 8 (Community Hall): They used it for storage, just to kind of bundle it up, put some tape on it, and let it sit for a while, as long as the building didn't degrade, because we really probably need to study what
we're going to be doing with this. There is a historical plaque immediately adjacent
129503:05:08.660 --> 03:05:18.120Speaker 8 (Community Hall): to this property in the Blackberry Farm… I'm sorry, in the Blue Pheasant parking lot, which was either the Portola or the De Anza…
129603:05:18.130 --> 03:05:19.870
Speaker 8 (Community Hall): survey…
129703:05:20.090 --> 03:05:31.699Speaker 8 (Community Hall): party that went through, on their way to San Francisco Bay, I believe. I would… I dropped my husband off, in that parking lot about
129803:05:31.930 --> 03:05:50.880
Speaker 8 (Community Hall): was before the pandemic, because he wanted to walk the trail from Stevens…
from the hill all the way to McClone Ranch Park. And he knew that the plaque was there because they have
one in Monta Vista's high school's parking lot also. So I think it's interesting that we might
129903:05:51.210 --> 03:05:53.749Speaker 8 (Community Hall): Look at having a bigger…
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Speaker 8 (Community Hall): influence on that marker, could you have… wait, there's nothing around it, it's
just sitting in the parking lot. Could you have benches, etc? But I would say, use it for parking, or… Thank
you, Jennifer. Thank you.
130103:06:08.420 --> 03:06:13.300
Speaker 7 (Community Hall): Next, we have Claudio Bono, followed by Peggy Griffin, followed by Rhoda Fry. Welcome, Claudio.
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Speaker 14 (Community Hall): Good evening, Mayor Moore, Vice Mayor Chao, Council Members, City
Manager, City Attorney Madam, City Clerk, and Staff. I'm here to present Option 6.
130303:06:23.920 --> 03:06:26.199Speaker 14 (Community Hall): My name is Claudio Bone, I'm Cupertino resident.
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Speaker 29 (Community Hall): And tonight, I will speak on behalf of the Cupertino Historical Society as their
vice president, and specifically, at the request of Mike Foulkes, our president, regarding this item.
130503:06:37.280 --> 03:06:55.670Speaker 29 (Community Hall): We're just made aware of the item 11 on the agenda, and I'm here indeed to confirm that there has been no discussion with the city or staff in that regard. It is indeed an important historical property. In fact, the president of the Cupertino Historical Society, Mike Foulkes, is working to meet with Mayor Moore.
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03:06:55.670 --> 03:06:59.819Speaker 29 (Community Hall): And the City Manager to discuss planning for these historical projects.
130703:06:59.820 --> 03:07:17.059Speaker 29 (Community Hall): And about all other cities around us have done this, and have plans in place. So, we appreciate the staff to report and include the five recommendations, but we believe we should take
more time, start conversation, engage the community, and discuss this item further, and have a solid plan in
place.
130803:07:17.270 --> 03:07:18.189Speaker 29 (Community Hall): Thank you.
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Speaker 7 (Community Hall): Thank you, Claudio.
131003:07:21.710 --> 03:07:23.610Speaker 7 (Community Hall): Next, we have Peggy Griffin.
131103:07:24.890 --> 03:07:27.260Speaker 7 (Community Hall): Or… is Peggy… is Peggy?
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03:07:27.260 --> 03:07:31.450Speaker 25 (Community Hall): I just called Peggy, she has emailed you about withdrawing her car.
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Speaker 7 (Community Hall): Okay, thank you, Rhoda, I appreciate it. Yeah, so she can get her beauty sleep. Hey, appreciate the help. Thank you.
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Speaker 7 (Community Hall): Okay, we're ready for you. Okay, hi.
131503:07:39.845 --> 03:07:45.304Speaker 25 (Community Hall): Again, so, as far as the labyrinth,
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Speaker 25 (Community Hall): I do walk out there a lot, and I walked out there mindfully the other day, and,
it's just too noisy for a labyrinth. It's just, you know, even…
131703:07:56.615 --> 03:08:05.005Speaker 25 (Community Hall): way even further back before you get to Bless. It's just, like, nowhere in that area. You know, there's a big open area over by Stocklemire.
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Speaker 25 (Community Hall): it's not quiet enough. So, I would recommend against that one. But… we
know…
131903:08:14.375 --> 03:08:20.075Speaker 25 (Community Hall): What happens to buildings when they are, when they're not kept up?
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Speaker 25 (Community Hall): like, the historic house that the Historical Society is supposed to be taking
care of, over by, Rancher San Antonio, which hasn't been… fallen into terrible disrepair, and I… and… and so
I respectfully disagree with, the preceding speaker,
132103:08:39.635 --> 03:08:42.774Speaker 25 (Community Hall): Regarding the historical study using that property.
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Speaker 25 (Community Hall): And I think that, that…
132303:08:46.975 --> 03:08:58.175Speaker 25 (Community Hall): we… I think it should be torn down. Tear it down, and love it a lot, let it return to nature, and someday we'll figure out what to do with it.
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Speaker 25 (Community Hall): and call it a day. The original part had been about expanding, the footprint.
There was talk about potentially having parking. There doesn't mean that if there were to be expanded parking, it doesn't mean it would be…
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Speaker 25 (Community Hall): it would have to be paved over. I thought that what we did at McCullen Ranch Extension was a little bit
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Speaker 25 (Community Hall): Actually, a lot, over the top. So… I think… let's just… close the…
132703:09:29.465 --> 03:09:48.595Speaker 25 (Community Hall): uses of it now, and do it in a graceful way, so that we don't have issues like we had at the Stockmeyer house, which there… it… there was a fire, somebody was living there, it's been a lot of issues. That house, Stocklemire, is definitely historic, although it's,
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Speaker 25 (Community Hall): been neglected, unfortunately. Lesh is not on our historical resources.
Stockenweier is also the house that this Historical Society owns and has
132903:09:59.985 --> 03:10:08.844Speaker 25 (Community Hall): neglected the oldest house in Cupertino, so I really would not entrust the Historical Society with any of our buildings.
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Speaker 25 (Community Hall): And I'm really sorry to say that, but anyway, those are my two cents.
133103:10:14.715 --> 03:10:19.605Speaker 25 (Community Hall): Turn it down, back to nature, and then we'll figure out what to do with it someday later.
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Speaker 25 (Community Hall): But right now, I think it's potentially…
133303:10:26.035 --> 03:10:38.995Speaker 25 (Community Hall): an attract… potentially an attractive nuisance. Thank you. And also, one more thing, sorry, if there… I hear that Parks and Recs might have some stuff stored in it, but there's our storage buildings also on the… on the Stuckelmeyer property.
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03:10:39.625 --> 03:10:40.985Speaker 25 (Community Hall): Considered. Thanks.
133503:10:41.630 --> 03:10:42.669Speaker 7 (Community Hall): Thank you, Rhoda.
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Speaker 7 (Community Hall): We'll move to our request to speak virtually. We have two hands raised at this time. We will welcome Danessa Techbanski.
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Speaker 7 (Community Hall): Welcome, Danessa.
133803:10:53.660 --> 03:10:55.419Danessa Techmanski: Hey, hi, can you hear me?
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03:10:55.570 --> 03:10:56.320Speaker 7 (Community Hall): We can hear you.
134003:10:56.410 --> 03:11:04.589Danessa Techmanski: Hi, this is Danessa Techmansky. Good evening. I'm a 33-year Cupertino resident.
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Danessa Techmanski: I love the idea of, like, a reflection maze or a labyrinth there, but, you know, I have to say that I walk there at least once a week, and it is so noisy there next to the road. There's just nothing, meditative at all about that property.
134203:11:23.820 --> 03:11:26.470Danessa Techmanski: I…
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03:11:28.400 --> 03:11:47.109Danessa Techmanski: I mean, it's noisy all the way up to the orange grove back there, so I think a better use is, if it's… if it's really a problem having the buildings there, just to… to tear them down and put, like, an unimproved, like, one of those kind of dirt gravel lots for parking.
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Danessa Techmanski: For, you know, maybe overflow, for people trying to access the Stevens Creek Trail. I
would have loved to have it, be parking, for potentially, improvements on the, historic Stocklemire house. I
think it's sad we're the only city that doesn't have one.
134503:12:07.390 --> 03:12:12.770Danessa Techmanski: So, yeah, I, I think the best use is, is… Parking.
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Danessa Techmanski: And just let it sit for now.
134703:12:16.130 --> 03:12:17.000Danessa Techmanski: Thanks.
134803:12:19.300 --> 03:12:22.650
Speaker 7 (Community Hall): Thank you, Danessa. Next, we will welcome San Rao.
134903:12:24.230 --> 03:12:25.430Speaker 7 (Community Hall): Welcome, Sam.
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03:12:26.480 --> 03:12:31.769San Rao: Good evening, Mayor Moore and Council Members. Speaking on behalf of myself only as a resident.
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San Rao: I live on the west side, and so drive through the area often.
135203:12:36.500 --> 03:12:40.790San Rao: This is a dangerous spot, as traffic descends down the hill.
135303:12:41.080 --> 03:12:47.920
San Rao: N… Even traffic going at 35 mph picks up speed due to the momentum coming down.
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03:12:48.320 --> 03:12:51.830San Rao: It is also a pedestrian crossing, and we have had
135503:12:51.930 --> 03:12:55.439San Rao: a serious critical injury at the pedestrian Crossing.
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San Rao: So I would be opposed to expanding parking or any kind of bus parking in that area.
135703:13:00.910 --> 03:13:12.820San Rao: And giving any reason to further increase traffic in that area, I think that just further compounds a dangerous spot. It is further an area of very poor visibility.
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San Rao: towards sunset, because as you approach that, you go from shade to sun, which is partly the reason for some of the safety concerns in that area. So, highly recommend not expanding any kind of parking usage there. I'm also not in support of the city spending any money on consultant studies.
135903:13:31.410 --> 03:13:50.039
San Rao: The staff report did not cover any cost associated with any of these options. Please do not start a
new consultant study. We just came off of discussions on a budget deficit and ways to close the gap, and I
don't want these five options to turn into a consultant project that then spends hundreds of thousands of
dollars.
136003:13:50.360 --> 03:13:54.910San Rao: If there's an option here that does not involve a consultant and is least cost.
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San Rao: We should hear that, and hopefully that is not parking or paving. If you can
136203:14:00.480 --> 03:14:07.510San Rao: Tear down the structure and return it to nature in a form that is usable with no additional
136303:14:07.630 --> 03:14:24.310San Rao: draw of vehicles into the area for that purpose, that would be okay. But otherwise, I'm not opposed to just leaving it as it is. For now, we have many other pressing problems to deal with. There is no reason to act on this now. It also makes me really concerned
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03:14:24.630 --> 03:14:29.610San Rao: to see the kinds of options in the staff report here. What really should be a focus should be
136503:14:29.720 --> 03:14:30.650San Rao: Cost.
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San Rao: What is the cost, and why is this a priority? And I don't see a staff report leading with that.
136703:14:37.190 --> 03:14:44.860San Rao: And so to come back with a master plan for this, or a plan to build a new house, I mean, it seems out of touch with where we are structurally.
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San Rao: And I would expect better.
136903:14:47.140 --> 03:14:51.629San Rao: From staff reports at this stage, given, you know, the previous item was on budgets.
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San Rao: So please do not add parking, no paving, no bus… no bus stops. I would have loved a labyrinth.
Unfortunately, noise may be a factor.
137103:15:00.870 --> 03:15:05.430San Rao: But let's… let's take our time, and let's not add a consultant to the mix. Thank you.
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Speaker 7 (Community Hall): Thank you, Sam. Mayor, that concludes the request to speak on this item.
137303:15:12.335 --> 03:15:21.474Speaker 2 (Community Hall): Thank you. So, I'm going to start by making a motion, and we can hopefully get a second for it. I move that we approve option one.
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Speaker 2 (Community Hall): But, limit the, the, the options. It currently has the pollinator Healing Garden
and Paths Outdoor Seating and tables. I would simply like, native plantings. So, option one, convert to park with native plantings.
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Speaker 2 (Community Hall): And so we would be removing the structure and returning it to nature, essentially. Second that.
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Speaker 19 (Community Hall): Things.
137703:15:46.090 --> 03:15:46.800Speaker 2 (Community Hall): cube.
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Speaker 2 (Community Hall): And one important point about this property, it is blocking the view of the
creek, and there's some very large mature trees in that area, so this will open up the whole expanse when
you're driving through there, and I think it's going to be very, very attractive. So I look forward to it.
137903:16:09.280 --> 03:16:10.080Speaker 2 (Community Hall): Sure.
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Speaker 19 (Community Hall): Do I have some more questions about the trees, yeah.
138103:16:14.645 --> 03:16:22.674Speaker 19 (Community Hall): So, first of all, some question from the public. There was a question about…
138203:16:22.985 --> 03:16:27.545
Speaker 19 (Community Hall): Is the blue pheasant in the flood plan also?
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03:16:29.680 --> 03:16:30.730Community Hall: Do I know?
138403:16:31.710 --> 03:16:34.360Speaker 28 (Community Hall): Yes, I believe part of it is in the floodplain.
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Speaker 19 (Community Hall): part of the Bull Pheasant restaurant is also… oh, okay. And… When…
138603:16:41.070 --> 03:16:49.419Speaker 19 (Community Hall): on… this… this is my own question. When was the… Blue Pheasant rezoned for PR.
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Speaker 28 (Community Hall): That's a good question. I am not sure. I think much of that property was purchased in 99, so it probably would have been around there, but I am.
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Speaker 19 (Community Hall): But it was rezoned before the city even purchased it, right? Yeah, I don't know. I thought that's a really good idea, because I've been thinking, for the Sterling Bernhardt Park, which is very tiny, if we can rezone
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Speaker 19 (Community Hall): the parcel of adjoining the park to PR, so that it's…
139003:17:20.015 --> 03:17:24.004Speaker 19 (Community Hall): That might be better, so it won't get re-developed.
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Speaker 19 (Community Hall): on…
139203:17:25.625 --> 03:17:37.334Speaker 19 (Community Hall): Okay, then there was a question about the historical plaque. I remember seeing a plaque, not in the parking lot, probably along the Stevens Creek, but it's really run down.
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Speaker 19 (Community Hall): So there was… seems to be a series of plaque like that around the area.
139403:17:43.625 --> 03:17:48.284Speaker 19 (Community Hall): on… So, do we know who installed them?
139503:17:48.455 --> 03:17:52.865
Speaker 19 (Community Hall): the city, or the county, or… we don't know about those Black…
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03:17:52.865 --> 03:17:56.724Speaker 28 (Community Hall): No, I was actually gonna ask Jennifer where those plaques were.
139703:17:57.850 --> 03:17:59.670Speaker 19 (Community Hall): As in parking lot? Near the Gulf.
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Speaker 19 (Community Hall): the survey.
139903:18:07.400 --> 03:18:08.080Community Hall: the samples.
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Community Hall: So… One of those survey parties.
140103:18:14.350 --> 03:18:15.040Community Hall: Okay.
140203:18:15.970 --> 03:18:17.459Community Hall: Even though they've been going up late.
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Speaker 2 (Community Hall): Pardon, will you… okay.
140403:18:29.370 --> 03:18:30.660Speaker 2 (Community Hall): So it, it…
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Speaker 2 (Community Hall): Okay, thank you. I will look for the marker, so… Thank you. I believe it's facing
the golf course. One issue with the golf… one issue with the, the, that particular survey party is that you
need to look at if it's now become controversial.
140603:18:48.295 --> 03:19:04.075Speaker 19 (Community Hall): I didn't know there is one at Monta Vista High also, so it's… that would be interesting to find out more about. And I agree, I don't want labyrinths, I want just natural things. However,
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Speaker 19 (Community Hall): the… currently, there is… you cannot access it from the parking lot. So, on…
140803:19:12.555 --> 03:19:21.884Speaker 19 (Community Hall): how would people access? Only… right now, the only access, of course, is from the Stevens Creek. So I'm… this is a question, I guess, for…
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Speaker 19 (Community Hall): Dunn… Mayor? Let me… Fine light tab. Okay. You…
141003:19:30.100 --> 03:19:44.710Speaker 2 (Community Hall): You would access it through… you'd park at the Blue Pheasant parking lot, the golf course parking lot, and… Yeah. And, or access it from the trail. If you were walking along the trail, you'd go across the Stevens Creek Bridge, and… and, down to…
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03:19:44.715 --> 03:19:58.635Speaker 19 (Community Hall): we will not add additional access, like, to the parking lot, right? So people will still park in the parking lot and go on the sidewalk to access. And are we designating this as a park?
141203:20:01.340 --> 03:20:09.170Speaker 28 (Community Hall): Director Mosley? So the property's already zoned Parks and Rec, so it would
be designated as park, and I guess…
141303:20:09.270 --> 03:20:16.340Speaker 28 (Community Hall): For my clarity, we're talking about native plantings. Are we talking about having pathways so that people can walk through it, or is it just back to nature?
141403:20:18.360 --> 03:20:33.289Speaker 2 (Community Hall): I think you could have some pathways that are safely away from the street, and the slope is down from Stevens Creek Boulevard, so you want to make sure that people are being directed to,
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03:20:33.330 --> 03:20:40.879Speaker 2 (Community Hall): you know, a safe way to get into that, if they're walking along Stevens Creek and they want to go visit the area. Yeah, in which case we could provide access through the parking.
141603:20:40.880 --> 03:20:45.740Speaker 28 (Community Hall): lot area. There is one that currently coming down from Stevens Creek to the
parking lot. Okay, thanks.
141703:20:45.745 --> 03:20:59.054Speaker 19 (Community Hall): So I'm wondering, for example, I'm sharing the screen, you see the parking lot, there is a lot of trees between the property and the parking lot. Are you saying…
141803:21:00.245 --> 03:21:10.025
Speaker 19 (Community Hall): Are we creating some entrance in the middle, or still people have to walk to
Stevens Creek and entering? It looks like.
141903:21:10.030 --> 03:21:10.970Speaker 28 (Community Hall): Like, you are in…
142003:21:11.190 --> 03:21:24.040
Speaker 28 (Community Hall): Google Maps, so you could move the cursor, your… that little yellow guy
down there in the lower right, into the parking lot, and you can see there's plenty of space, between the
trees to put in a walking path. That would not…
142103:21:24.045 --> 03:21:30.635Speaker 19 (Community Hall): So you think it would be, like, between the trees, there might be a walking pass? Correct. Okay, that makes sense.
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Speaker 2 (Community Hall): Okay, are you set? Okay, yeah, thank you. I do want to mention something.
When, a couple years ago, we did a tour of all the facilities in Cupertino, including the Stocklemeyer House, which is the one from 1903, which, this is the Bletch House, which is the Red Rancher, so it's the, different. When we toured this house, a skunk had sprayed it.
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Speaker 2 (Community Hall): recently, and, they had all of the Big Bunny t-shirts and things in there as well.
Thankfully, nothing happened to them. But it's… it is not an ideal, storage, building of any sort, and I think
the city, perhaps at the public works yard, I know we do have some storage cell facilities that we're renting,
but I think that needs to be something
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Speaker 2 (Community Hall): perhaps the city manager can be looking into for where things are stored and how we can more efficiently and less expensively store items. But, having it in an old house that the skunks have gotten into next to the
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Speaker 2 (Community Hall): creek in the floodplain, all of that spells, like, not… not… it's not a good plan,
as far as I'm concerned. So, Councilmember Fruen, you're next?
142603:22:45.400 --> 03:22:53.000Speaker 18 (Community Hall): Yeah, I don't have any generalized problem with the direction, but I do wonder if you'd be willing to entertain a friendly amendment to
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Speaker 18 (Community Hall): coordinate with the Historical Society first before moving forward. They're one of our civil society partners, and I think that they deserve to be included in the conversation.
142803:23:04.900 --> 03:23:11.609Speaker 2 (Community Hall): Thank you. It's not a historical structure. I'd be looking more at Stocklemire, which is on the agenda, too.
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03:23:11.615 --> 03:23:23.474Speaker 18 (Community Hall): I do get that. Yeah, I do get that. My point is just there was a lot of prior discussion of this specific house in the past, and I think that it would be helpful for our relationship with that organization to engage in the conversation.
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Speaker 2 (Community Hall): Noted. So we have a motion and a second. I see no further hands raised. Yes.
143103:23:31.935 --> 03:23:44.684Speaker 19 (Community Hall): Does option one in staff recommendation also include chairs and picnic tables, I guess. Guess. I don't remember what's the current… does the current motion include at least some chairs?
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Speaker 2 (Community Hall): I removed it, but if you would like to have that returned as a friendly
amendment, I will gladly add it in.
143303:23:51.570 --> 03:24:05.670Speaker 19 (Community Hall): Okay, yeah, I think it would be nice to have some place to sit, and I know it's noisy, but it's still a really nice creek area. I'm not sure about picnic table, on maybe chairs. What do people think about it?
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Speaker 28 (Community Hall): Find a place along the pathway to put a bench.
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Speaker 2 (Community Hall): I think that would be lovely. All right, seeing no further hands raised…
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Speaker 19 (Community Hall): The amended always… Amendment. Okay.
143703:24:17.995 --> 03:24:25.915Speaker 2 (Community Hall): Okay, so we accept the outdoor seating and, outdoor seating. Are we looking at tables, too?
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Speaker 19 (Community Hall): Are we giving direction to find out more about the historical plaque.
143903:24:30.560 --> 03:24:43.180Speaker 2 (Community Hall): I think that's a separate matter, it's in the parking lot, it's not on the Bletch property. Okay. We can look into that at another time. So, I've accepted the friendly amendment for outdoor
seating.
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03:24:43.470 --> 03:24:48.200Speaker 2 (Community Hall): And… And you've seconded or accepted? Yeah.
144103:24:48.455 --> 03:24:49.915Speaker 19 (Community Hall): Accept, so that's…
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Speaker 2 (Community Hall): Madam City Clerk, will you please conduct the roll call vote?
144303:24:54.440 --> 03:25:07.409Speaker 7 (Community Hall): Yes, I just want to clarify the motions. So, I have more, moved, and Chao, seconded the staff recommendation option 1, with an amendment to convert to park with native plantings,
removing the structure, and returning it to nature.
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03:25:07.490 --> 03:25:15.059Speaker 7 (Community Hall): And to include some pathways that are safely away from the street and the slope down from Stevens Creek Boulevard, we have a
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Speaker 7 (Community Hall): from the amendment by Councilmember Ferwin, to coordinate with the
Historical Society first before moving forward. Was that accepted? That was not accepted. Not accepted.
144603:25:24.370 --> 03:25:25.020Speaker 20 (Community Hall): Yeah.
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Speaker 19 (Community Hall): And no labyrinth, right?
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03:25:28.210 --> 03:25:31.399Speaker 19 (Community Hall): Option 1, but no labor. No, correct.
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Speaker 7 (Community Hall): So, Library? Labyrinth. Labyrinth.
145003:25:35.320 --> 03:25:46.129Speaker 7 (Community Hall): Okay, and then we have a friendly amendment by Vice Mayor Chao to add in outdoor seating, and more accepted this friendly amendment.
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Speaker 7 (Community Hall): Correct?
145203:25:48.200 --> 03:25:50.440Speaker 2 (Community Hall): Or… Outdoor seating. Outdoor seating.
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Speaker 7 (Community Hall): Correct? Right. Okay.
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03:25:51.765 --> 03:25:53.855Speaker 7 (Community Hall): So that is the motion for voting.
145503:25:53.860 --> 03:26:04.989Speaker 2 (Community Hall): Yes. But we are coordinating with the Historical Society regarding Stocklemire
and the houses in Snyder Hammond. There is a… we had an appointment, scheduled, we'll
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03:26:05.190 --> 03:26:07.729Speaker 2 (Community Hall): be doing that in the future. Okay.
145703:26:07.960 --> 03:26:12.420Speaker 7 (Community Hall): Thank you. So everyone is clear on the… on the motion. I will…
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Speaker 7 (Community Hall): do the votes. Councilmember Fruen? Aye.
145903:26:15.480 --> 03:26:22.779Speaker 7 (Community Hall): Councilmember Mohan? Aye. Vice Mayor Chao? Aye. Mayor Moore? Aye. The motion carries with Wong absent.
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Speaker 2 (Community Hall): Hey, now, we have a few reports at the end of our agenda.
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Speaker 2 (Community Hall): The City Manager's report, Councilmember Reports, Future Agenda items,
which you may, peruse at your leisure, and,
146203:26:41.780 --> 03:26:46.529Speaker 2 (Community Hall): with that, this March 17th, 2026,
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03:26:46.930 --> 03:26:50.220Speaker 2 (Community Hall): Regular meeting of the Cupertino City Council is adjourned.
146403:26:53.290 --> 03:26:54.250Speaker 2 (Community Hall): Let's safe.