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Speaker 1 (Community Hall): Recording in progress.
200:00:34.330 --> 00:00:39.740Speaker 1 (Community Hall): Good evening. It is 546. I call this April 7th, 2026.
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Speaker 4 (Community Hall): Special meeting of the Cupertino City Council to order.
400:00:43.460 --> 00:00:45.870Speaker 4 (Community Hall): Madam City Clerk, will you please call the roll?
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Speaker 4 (Community Hall): Councilmember Fran? Here.
600:00:48.280 --> 00:00:52.659Speaker 4 (Community Hall): Councilmember Mohan? Here. Vice Mayor Chao? Here. Mayor Moore?
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Speaker 14 (Community Hall): Present.
800:00:55.010 --> 00:01:02.729Speaker 4 (Community Hall): Thank you. And our first item is a study session on the Active Transportation Plan. Madam City Manager, do we have a staff report?
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Speaker 3 (Community Hall): Thank you, Mayor. This study session is being conducted to provide an update
on the development of the active transportation.
1000:01:09.980 --> 00:01:10.960Speaker 5 (Community Hall): plan.
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Speaker 5 (Community Hall): Including a summary of the revised scoring criteria, feedback that has… that
staff has received from the commissions, and an overview of next steps. The presentation focuses on the
scoring criteria and the project list, which staff is seeking Council direction and feedback on. And this current
list is based on prior direction received from Council. I will now invite Matt Schrader, Transportation Planner, and David Stillman, Transportation Manager.
1200:01:35.760 --> 00:01:37.140Speaker 5 (Community Hall): to present this item
1300:01:43.090 --> 00:01:45.159Speaker 5 (Community Hall): Good evening, Council. My name is Matt Schrader.
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Speaker 1 (Community Hall): Senior Transportation Planner, and I'm going to be presenting the Active
Transportation Plan, an update on what's happened since November of.
1500:01:53.550 --> 00:01:54.510Speaker 6 (Community Hall): last year.
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Speaker 6 (Community Hall): And… just want to confirm that the presentation is showing.
1700:02:00.880 --> 00:02:02.300Speaker 6 (Community Hall): In the presentation, no.
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Speaker 6 (Community Hall): start over.
1900:02:15.520 --> 00:02:20.360Speaker 6 (Community Hall): if we could have IT check on… To display the presentation.
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Speaker 6 (Community Hall): There we go.
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2200:02:25.980 --> 00:02:34.419Speaker 6 (Community Hall): So, taking a step back, in the fall of last year, we went to the commissions for
comment on the draft prioritization.
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00:02:35.010 --> 00:02:50.820Speaker 6 (Community Hall): There was consensus on three points, that safety should be prioritized, especially near schools and on the high injury network, and that the scoring criteria should use only objective metrics, and also that technology solutions need to play a greater role in the plan.
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Speaker 6 (Community Hall): We then went to Council and received direction to only use objective metrics,
add cost as a scoring criterion, and add impacts to vehicular traffic on the city's arterials, and also figure out
a way to elevate technology solutions within the plan.
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Speaker 6 (Community Hall): So what this looked like in practice is previously the high injury network scoring
was 20 points if it was within a quarter mile of the project area. This was changed 20 points if it's on the high injury network, and then it receives 10 points if it's within 1,000 feet.
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Speaker 6 (Community Hall): We made a similar change to the school scoring. So, school scoring previously
was a max of 10 points. That was raised to 20. It was also whether or not the project was within a quarter
mile of a school.
2700:03:42.280 --> 00:03:57.239Speaker 6 (Community Hall): And we changed that to be a little more precise, so that if it's on a suggested route to school, then it receives the max 20. We also removed fairness from the scoring criteria. Fairness was the total number of likes that a project had received during outreach.
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00:03:57.240 --> 00:04:08.760Speaker 6 (Community Hall): We added cost, and we also added impacts to the city's arterials. So, in the balance criteria, if a project does have an impact to vehicles, whether that be
2900:04:08.880 --> 00:04:17.699Speaker 6 (Community Hall): the need for maybe a road diet or parking removal. That project doesn't
receive the 10 zero impact bonus points, so…
3000:04:18.089 --> 00:04:23.370Speaker 6 (Community Hall): In addition to the general roadway impacts, we added impacts to the arterials.
3100:04:24.840 --> 00:04:30.890Speaker 6 (Community Hall): We also did the same for the pedestrian intersection criteria and the sidewalk
criteria.
3200:04:32.030 --> 00:04:44.800Speaker 6 (Community Hall): Then we created a new project type called Transportation Technology Corridors, and we did this by looking at the Typology C intersections, which are the traffic signal and control improvement projects.
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Speaker 6 (Community Hall): Looked at those locations and their relationship to the high injury network, and
then from there, we had a rough sense of what the boundaries should be. Looked…
3400:04:54.280 --> 00:05:13.120Speaker 6 (Community Hall): in those boundaries, tried and looking at where there's high rates of collisions, where the primary collision factor is either red light running or traffic signal and sign violations. And then we looked at which intersections the city actually owns and manages, because that's going to really determine
our ability to implement and control.
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00:05:13.150 --> 00:05:20.110Speaker 6 (Community Hall): So, based on that, we established 5 corridors that are transportation technology corridors, and those are ranked
3600:05:20.180 --> 00:05:26.839Speaker 6 (Community Hall): In the final plan, or in the project list, equally with the bike projects and the PED projects.
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Speaker 6 (Community Hall): So then, using the revised scoring criteria, We rank those projects.
3800:05:34.050 --> 00:05:40.470Speaker 6 (Community Hall): And this is what the top 20 projects look like. And the key takeaway here is that the…
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Speaker 6 (Community Hall): Criteria, the revised criteria, selects projects that are relatively low cost, that are…
4000:05:48.280 --> 00:05:54.019Speaker 6 (Community Hall): The top projects are ones that are suggested throughout the school, and also on the high injury network.
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Speaker 6 (Community Hall): Which is why they've risen to the top.
4300:06:13.530 --> 00:06:21.229Speaker 6 (Community Hall): And for the bike projects, the scoring also really prioritizes projects where there's no operational trade-offs.
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Speaker 6 (Community Hall): So, the top bike projects are the neighborhood routes. These are the Class 3
projects. There's not going to be any parking removal required. There's not going to be a road diet. You
don't need to remove a center turn lane to put in these facilities.
4500:06:33.680 --> 00:06:41.540Speaker 6 (Community Hall): And also, shared-use projects, where similarly, there's not going to be those impacts. Those are, high-scoring projects.
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Speaker 6 (Community Hall): So here we have a map of the pedestrian network and the recommendations.
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Speaker 6 (Community Hall): Again, here you see the top 3 projects, two of which are low-cost signage and
striping.
4800:06:55.270 --> 00:06:59.799Speaker 6 (Community Hall): And all of which are high-injury network, roadways.
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Speaker 6 (Community Hall): So, in addition to revising the scoring criteria, we also developed a set of two
new guidelines to accompany the ATP.
5100:07:24.340 --> 00:07:38.430Speaker 6 (Community Hall): The first of which is the project impact assessment guidelines, and what this is really saying is, after a project's been initiated by Council, and we've completed 30% design, and we learn that there are potential impacts associated with that design.
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Speaker 6 (Community Hall): We'll then bring that design back to Council and say, hey, here's what the
design suggests. Do you want us to do further
5300:07:46.370 --> 00:08:03.809Speaker 6 (Community Hall): traffic analysis to fully understand the exact extent of these impacts. So we would go perform that analysis, bring back the findings, and then Council can make a judgment on whether
or not those impacts are acceptable, the design needs to be revised, or the project needs to be terminated
entirely.
5400:08:05.750 --> 00:08:12.949Speaker 6 (Community Hall): And then we have the project effectiveness guidelines, and this really gets at how we want to measure success. There's been…
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Speaker 6 (Community Hall): Request to capture better data post-project.
5600:08:16.960 --> 00:08:19.769Speaker 6 (Community Hall): When it comes to these bicycle facilities.
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Speaker 6 (Community Hall): So, with these guidelines, a project will be initiated, we'll have 100% design,
construction funding will have been secured, and then prior to construction, we'll conduct pre-project counts.
5800:08:30.780 --> 00:08:39.869Speaker 6 (Community Hall): That establishes pre-project baseline conditions. We'll also look at the collision
rates along that, along those project limits.
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Speaker 6 (Community Hall): So we'll know, the safety of the facility and what ridership looks like pre-project. We'll then build the project.
6000:08:46.350 --> 00:08:57.110Speaker 6 (Community Hall): Let a suitable amount of time to pass, come back, do the same counts, look at
the collision data, and be able to make a determination on, alright, after the project's been built.
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Speaker 6 (Community Hall): And then we presented this information to the commissions earlier this year,
and there was consensus among the two bodies that maybe the school scoring is overweighted and should
be reduced, and that, this could be accomplished by subtracting 10 points from the school proximity scoring
and applying that 10 to the high injury network.
6300:09:32.850 --> 00:09:37.049Speaker 6 (Community Hall): So we took a look at this, and what…
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Speaker 6 (Community Hall): Kind of results from this is that The top projects really…
6500:09:41.300 --> 00:09:50.829Speaker 6 (Community Hall): There's not a lot of change in those, and a lot of the neighborhood routes fall lower to the bottom of the list, and that's because they rely heavily on the school scoring.
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Speaker 6 (Community Hall): And then projects, and this is pretty intuitive, but projects that are on the high
injury network that are not suggested throughout the school, those increase in their rank. So, that's especially true for
6700:10:02.230 --> 00:10:20.130Speaker 6 (Community Hall): Roads like Bollinger, De Anza, Stelling, and Homestead, which all see increases in project rankings. You can see here, Intersection A, a signage and striping project at Torrey and Pacifica,
that falls 48 ranking points, primarily because it relies on the suggests throughout the school scoring.
6800:10:20.250 --> 00:10:21.869Speaker 6 (Community Hall): And then a project like…
6900:10:22.100 --> 00:10:32.109Speaker 6 (Community Hall): Class 2 bike lanes on Miller, which would require the removal of parking to
implement, that actually increases in rank because of that Vision Zero adjustment.
7000:10:35.410 --> 00:10:45.060Speaker 6 (Community Hall): So the next steps for the plan are to compile all the different elements that we've developed in Phase 1 and Phase 2 into a single document for public review.
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Speaker 6 (Community Hall): That will be in the form of an interactive PDF. It will be available for a one-month public comment period, and then we'll address any of those comments, and ideally come back to Council in the summer for adoption consideration.
7200:11:12.190 --> 00:11:14.450Speaker 4 (Community Hall): So, that concludes the staff report.
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Speaker 6 (Community Hall): Yes. So having the ATP really helps the city in securing grant funding for
projects, regardless of where they fall in the project list.
7500:11:42.050 --> 00:12:00.850Speaker 6 (Community Hall): being able to reference a council-adopted document that's supported by the community, is something that these grant agencies look towards when awarding funding, because they want to make sure that if they do award a project, that that project is going to be able to be implemented, and having it in a document like the ATP reflects that.
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Speaker 4 (Community Hall): Okay, thank you. So if we're looking at a project like, like Finch, which has some protected, bike lanes suggested, and you mentioned the 30% of funding, the 30% design, so what would happen if we use that as an example?
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Speaker 4 (Community Hall): If that project were to be initiated.
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7900:12:27.280 --> 00:12:45.110Speaker 6 (Community Hall): parking would likely need to be removed for that to be implemented. So we
would have 30% design, and the project impact assessment guidelines, lay out various options for
addressing that. So we would perform a parking utilization study, understand how many people are parking
there, what the demand is throughout the day.
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Speaker 6 (Community Hall): and then come back to Council, present that information to you, and the
Council will make a determination on whether or not the design as it currently exists can be refined, or, you know, the parking impacts are so severe that the project can't move forward.
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Speaker 4 (Community Hall): And what would have started, the 30% design to begin with? How would that
even…
8200:13:05.665 --> 00:13:08.645Speaker 6 (Community Hall): going? That's something that would be initiated by Council.
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Speaker 6 (Community Hall): So, Council would… it's a project that would probably come through the CIP
process.
8400:13:14.540 --> 00:13:22.500Speaker 4 (Community Hall): Okay, so you would suggest it, perhaps for the next round for CIP, and then, and then we would do that. Okay,
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Speaker 4 (Community Hall): Are there any… Other council clarifying questions?
8600:13:28.380 --> 00:13:32.970Speaker 4 (Community Hall): I'm not seeing any requests to speak at this time. Councilmember Fuin?
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Speaker 1 (Community Hall): So I'm… I appreciate that you have sort of this dual scoring that you've set up
between what you had originally devised and then what…
8800:13:43.030 --> 00:13:58.809Speaker 7 (Community Hall): based on the feedback from the two commissions. Is that something that you anticipate to continue to do as this moves forward, so that we're making a final decision at a later point, or are you asking for a response from us today on those two
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Speaker 7 (Community Hall): different rankings. We're asking for a response.
9000:14:01.670 --> 00:14:03.629Speaker 6 (Community Hall): today. Okay. Thanks.
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Speaker 6 (Community Hall): Vice Mayor?
9200:14:08.780 --> 00:14:10.790Speaker 6 (Community Hall): Hi. Oh.
9300:14:10.970 --> 00:14:13.710Speaker 6 (Community Hall): So, thank you for,
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Speaker 8 (Community Hall): A very comprehensive staff report.
9500:14:16.440 --> 00:14:28.399Speaker 8 (Community Hall): And thank you for taking in the input from the Council and the community and the Commission, seriously, and then there has been really a lot of improvement on the plan.
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Speaker 8 (Community Hall): So, thank you for all the great work going into this, and the suggested
guidelines. So, I'm really happy to see, this, comprehensive approach.
9700:14:40.800 --> 00:14:57.020Speaker 8 (Community Hall): And so regarding the third… I think following up on Mayor's question, so I'm guessing we will… the CIP list will… will be prioritized, as before, we would pick some project to still allocate funding.
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9900:15:07.940 --> 00:15:20.739Speaker 8 (Community Hall): And then, possibly, you can decide, maybe we don't want to move forward,
and we might defund the project. So is that… That is correct. Okay, great. And…
10000:15:20.850 --> 00:15:22.520Speaker 8 (Community Hall): Then,
10100:15:23.670 --> 00:15:33.119Speaker 8 (Community Hall): I was hoping… is there, like, a map of the project list? Because I see only
description in… of intersection.
10200:15:33.260 --> 00:15:38.380Speaker 8 (Community Hall): just curious, is there a map of all the different projects?
10300:15:38.385 --> 00:15:43.644Speaker 6 (Community Hall): Is a map included in one of the attachments? I'm sorry there were so many
attachments. Yeah.
10400:15:43.645 --> 00:15:45.165Speaker 8 (Community Hall): Maybe I didn't find…
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Speaker 8 (Community Hall): There's a network, but there is not, like, the… for example, the project list,
each project doesn't have a number.
10700:15:54.345 --> 00:15:57.505Speaker 8 (Community Hall): Like, I think in the, yeah, in the old,
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Speaker 8 (Community Hall): like, a plan. Each project has a number. Then on the project, you can use the
number to locate where the project is. That makes it easier, but I don't see any number in the project list.
10900:16:12.550 --> 00:16:16.950Speaker 6 (Community Hall): something we could do in the final plan document. We could,
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Speaker 6 (Community Hall): Symbolize the network recommendation with the rank, shown there.
11100:16:23.195 --> 00:16:25.375Speaker 8 (Community Hall): That would be helpful.
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Speaker 8 (Community Hall): So regarding… I think there was a question from the community about the
cross-crossing. So, on the list, I see there is
11300:16:36.805 --> 00:16:48.355Speaker 8 (Community Hall): wait, on the map, I see there is an overcrossing, there is undercrossing, but in the project list, I searched for crossing, there is only one crossing.
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Speaker 8 (Community Hall): So I'm a little confused. Can you, describe a little this under-over crossing,
where they are? So there's…
11500:16:57.585 --> 00:17:09.664Speaker 6 (Community Hall): projects, one of which is the Carmen Road Bridge. The other is a feasibility study to look at the potential for linking the Stevens Creek Trail to the Linda Vista Trail under McClellan Road.
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Speaker 8 (Community Hall): Oh, okay, so the overcrossing is the… that one, we have done the feasibility study.
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Speaker 8 (Community Hall): And then the undercrossing is only a feasibility study, that's why the cost, I was surprised that the cost scoring is high. That's because it's only a feasibility study. I see. Okay, thank you.
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Speaker 4 (Community Hall): Councilmember Mohan?
11900:17:36.550 --> 00:17:42.469Speaker 4 (Community Hall): I want to echo the Vice Mayor's comments. This was a very detailed report.
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Speaker 9 (Community Hall): Lots of attachments, as you yourself have pointed out.
12100:17:45.480 --> 00:17:56.369Speaker 9 (Community Hall): gave us a ton of information, so thank you for that. I had a question about the 30% design plan. We've already approved it, and you have already picked a vendor, right?
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Speaker 9 (Community Hall): We have approved the 30%.
12300:18:04.390 --> 00:18:04.940Speaker 9 (Community Hall): Okay.
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Speaker 6 (Community Hall): In a hypothetical scenario, is that what we're talking about here?
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12600:18:12.330 --> 00:18:24.870Speaker 6 (Community Hall): Yeah, so we'll have a consultant on board for the design, and we'll probably
have allocated budget for, you know, the additional analysis work that would be required. So we would come
with the 30% design.
12700:18:24.870 --> 00:18:34.359Speaker 6 (Community Hall): present what the impacts are, and Council would tell staff whether or not the impacts are so severe that additional traffic analysis is required to
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Speaker 6 (Community Hall): Fully learn exactly what those impacts are.
12900:18:39.970 --> 00:18:44.019Speaker 9 (Community Hall): Okay, so where exactly are we on this, 30%.
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Speaker 6 (Community Hall): And 30% design is early enough to modify the project to address those plans,
and it also provides us with enough information to
13200:19:05.035 --> 00:19:22.995Speaker 6 (Community Hall): accurately either model out what the impacts are, or measure them. So in that scenario, we would then come back to Council with the findings from that analysis, and Council would make a decision on whether or not to move forward with the project, or give staff direction on how to proceed.
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13400:19:32.210 --> 00:19:39.000Speaker 9 (Community Hall): Okay, one other question. I know in the, maybe the Planning Commission,
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13600:19:46.120 --> 00:20:00.460Speaker 9 (Community Hall): streets, I'm specifically talking about Foothill, for example, where there's a serious accident, and I'm not seeing that in your 20 top projects, so am I not seeing it right? No, it's just…
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13800:20:07.710 --> 00:20:13.029Speaker 6 (Community Hall): So, it's not a suggestion throughout the school, it's not on the high injury
network, and…
13900:20:13.150 --> 00:20:23.749Speaker 6 (Community Hall): because a lot of the points come from those two metrics, it's not going to score well. It also doesn't score well, when we look at the active trip potential analysis and in our sustainability category.
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Speaker 6 (Community Hall): So it's…
14100:20:26.790 --> 00:20:35.429Speaker 6 (Community Hall): it… but that doesn't mean it's not a project that the Council can't move
forward. Again, this is just a raw list of projects using a set of metrics that,
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Speaker 6 (Community Hall): We feel more appropriate.
14300:20:38.570 --> 00:20:42.840Speaker 9 (Community Hall): Okay, and what would be the process to, put that on the project list?
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Speaker 6 (Community Hall): the CIP process. It is a project on our ATP project list, and if it's something that
Council wanted to initiate, Council could definitely do that.
14500:20:54.810 --> 00:20:55.490Speaker 2 (Community Hall): Thank you.
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Speaker 4 (Community Hall): Vice Mayor?
14700:21:03.490 --> 00:21:11.470Speaker 8 (Community Hall): Sorry, I… I… I'm a little afraid, and I kind of forget what I want to ask.
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Speaker 4 (Community Hall): That's okay, I have a question then. With regards to the… you have your
current score, and then you have the new ranking, with the changes, it's unclear to me if you have a
recommendation between these two that you're wanting to hear from us. I don't know that you provided that.
14900:21:28.295 --> 00:21:36.035Speaker 6 (Community Hall): But we feel that the current prioritization framework does a good job at
Balancing those trade-offs, while also
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15100:21:38.500 --> 00:21:51.580Speaker 4 (Community Hall): So the new one where you've, taken the injury network and added some
weight to it, is that the preference? No, the original one. You prefer the original with the school site, having
that 10 points. School proximity?
15200:21:51.585 --> 00:21:52.714Speaker 6 (Community Hall): Full proximity to 20 points.
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Speaker 4 (Community Hall): Okay, so instead of moving the 10 over to the other side, and why is it that
you prefer that?
15400:21:59.850 --> 00:22:07.600Speaker 6 (Community Hall): The way that the projects rank using that scoring, it does a good job at
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Speaker 6 (Community Hall): Balancing the competing interests that exist in the city, so…
15600:22:14.030 --> 00:22:17.219Speaker 6 (Community Hall): I just feel like it's the most appropriate score, given
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15800:22:21.720 --> 00:22:27.570Speaker 4 (Community Hall): Essentially protecting the students on their way to school.
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Speaker 6 (Community Hall): Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. Okay.
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16100:22:31.535 --> 00:22:32.275Speaker 4 (Community Hall): No.
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16300:22:35.790 --> 00:22:41.879Speaker 8 (Community Hall): And I think, I think when we were asking about an earlier check-in with the council for
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Speaker 8 (Community Hall): Like, the 30% update, and we were also hoping that… because for a lot of these projects, there are actually multiple options, design options, that might have varying cost, or if…
16500:22:57.070 --> 00:23:06.170Speaker 8 (Community Hall): effectiveness. So, I assume when we have the 30% design, we might also
have options that the council can
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Speaker 8 (Community Hall): Right? That's something that we can add into the guidelines. Yeah, I don't see that in the current guideline. That would be great.
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Speaker 8 (Community Hall): Especially if there are… The different options have different costs.
16900:23:20.830 --> 00:23:23.640Speaker 8 (Community Hall): Associating with it.
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Speaker 10 (Community Hall): discretion, or Council could have the discretion to ask staff to come to give
details on specific projects that we would be pursuing, even if we don't necessarily foresee a traffic impact,
or…
17300:23:42.470 --> 00:23:47.820Speaker 10 (Community Hall): impact, we could certainly bring it back for Council review. Yeah.
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Speaker 8 (Community Hall): And then, this is more like comments, so maybe I'll do that late after the puppy
comment.
17500:23:55.460 --> 00:24:01.490Speaker 4 (Community Hall): Okay, Madam City Clerk, do we have any members of the public who would like to speak to this item?
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Speaker 4 (Community Hall): Yes, Mayor, we have one request to speak in person, and at this time, I am
seeing one hand raised virtually. All right, we're going to open it up for public comment. Okay, so at this time, we will welcome Jennifer Griffin.
17700:24:17.910 --> 00:24:21.050Speaker 4 (Community Hall): And as a reminder, members of the public wishing to speak regarding.
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Speaker 11 (Community Hall): this item, she'll submit a request to speak or raise their hand virtually within
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Speaker 11 (Community Hall): the first 9 minutes at the start of public comment, or before the public
comment period is closed, whichever comes first. So welcome, Jennifer. Hello. Good evening, everyone. I'm Jennifer Griffin.
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Speaker 3 (Community Hall): I was very… I just found out tonight that you all were here.
18100:24:38.900 --> 00:24:44.100Speaker 4 (Community Hall): when the earthquake hit, last week. So, interesting. I was just going.
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Speaker 12 (Community Hall): to say, it was a very, very good report. This, the Active Transportation Plan
has…
18300:24:52.675 --> 00:24:56.995Speaker 12 (Community Hall): Been with us for quite a while, and it's had many iterations.
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Speaker 12 (Community Hall): I… I am always a firm believer that the more iterations that you have.
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00:25:02.945 --> 00:25:06.934Speaker 12 (Community Hall): In a project, the more discussions you have.
18600:25:07.175 --> 00:25:13.494Speaker 12 (Community Hall): Between the public elected members, the city staff, schools.
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Speaker 13 (Community Hall): the better project and plan you have. If you have a document that is drafted by
18800:25:21.110 --> 00:25:28.290Speaker 13 (Community Hall): one set of people, and it's implemented, you're gonna have squabbling. And I
feel like…
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Speaker 13 (Community Hall): I'm not E-R-R, A-I-R-I-N-G, and I just had… I think we're getting there. I had
a couple of comments, I am going to start out about
19100:25:48.450 --> 00:26:03.000Speaker 13 (Community Hall): e-bikes. I see them constantly in Santa Cruz, all over the Seacliff area, Rio Del Mar, down by, the beaches in Santa Cruz, etc, etc.
19200:26:03.050 --> 00:26:07.320Speaker 13 (Community Hall): I still… we were there 2 days over San… over Easter.
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Speaker 13 (Community Hall): I see repeatedly e-bikes with more than one child on them.
19400:26:13.030 --> 00:26:19.610Speaker 13 (Community Hall): No helmets. We saw one e-bike that had 3 juveniles under 14 on it.
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Speaker 13 (Community Hall): Some in swimsuits, no helmets.
19600:26:22.840 --> 00:26:42.450Speaker 13 (Community Hall): And I am aware that the City of Santa Cruz and the county and Capitola rent bikes out. I understand they're parked down at the beach area, and it is a really good way to get around, but there are… and if you have a credit card.
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Speaker 13 (Community Hall): I guess if you're a juvenile, you can still rent them, but we have a lot of things
we need to do. So…
19800:26:50.100 --> 00:27:03.429Speaker 13 (Community Hall): I think that it… I did see a Lime scooter that was within the Cupertino City boundaries, down by, Tantau, by the entrance to Apple last week.
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Speaker 13 (Community Hall): And it was just sitting there. There was no sign that you had to have a helmet.
20000:27:08.570 --> 00:27:16.270Speaker 13 (Community Hall): I understand that it might be fine in Santa Clara, but if we're going to be doing this in Cupertino, we need to have a discussion.
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Speaker 11 (Community Hall): Thank you, Jennifer.
20300:27:38.290 --> 00:27:47.050Speaker 11 (Community Hall): Next, we'll move to, our virtual request to speak. So, we have one request to
speak virtually, so we will welcome San Rao.
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San Rao: Good evening, Mayor Moore, Vice Mayor Chao, Councilmembers. I'm speaking on behalf of myself only as a resident, even though I'm on the Planning Commission.
20500:27:58.900 --> 00:28:18.360San Rao: My first request to you is, since Councilmember Wong is not there, consider continuing the items
so you get the full representation on dais to be able to represent the full spectrum of residents' desires. This
project divides the city deeply. It is a highly divisive project.
20600:28:18.520 --> 00:28:22.809San Rao: You are being told that there are no impacts from the bike lanes.
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San Rao: As a parent of two children that need to be dropped and picked up daily, and to be dropped and
picked up with after-school classes, I can tell you there is a fact.
20800:28:32.460 --> 00:28:33.849San Rao: There is severe impact.
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San Rao: Staff are misrepresenting the situation. The Morta Vista Village in the morning, I welcome you to
come there between 8am and 9am. That area is a lifeline for Moda Vista and Lincoln drops and pickups.
People turn from Stevens Creek on to Orange, Bern.
21000:28:50.630 --> 00:29:05.059San Rao: Imperial Pasadena. Those roads feed to Mona Vista and Lincoln. The only way to get through that clog jam is because we use the space available to make free right turns. If you put in concrete meridian blocks there, or concrete median blocks.
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San Rao: you are going to severely impact school drop and pector.
21200:29:10.080 --> 00:29:13.839San Rao: Modern Vista and Lincoln, and that is a significant amount ahead.
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San Rao: The same issue applies to Lawson Middle. The same issue applies on Finch. The same issue
impacts Cupertino High.
21400:29:21.160 --> 00:29:40.669San Rao: We can go on and on. It is clear to me that staff have no understanding of the impact to auto drivers from this project. I'm asking you to defund this entire project. You cannot afford to spend 30% on each project to do a study and then come back having spent the money and then cancel the project with
that money gone. Please defund this project.
21500:29:40.930 --> 00:29:49.449San Rao: We are in a structural deficit. We cannot afford this project, and this project has clearly misrepresented to residents all through the data gathering phase.
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San Rao: when the question was never asked in a way that people understood they would lose street parking if these bike lane projects were introduced. I was there when these community hearings occurred at the Senior Center and at a couple of other places.
21700:30:03.310 --> 00:30:09.579San Rao: The question of, would you mind if you lost street parking in front of your house was never asked.
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00:30:10.270 --> 00:30:17.030San Rao: And to a lot of seniors, that's the thing that matters. If you ask them, would you like to ride a bike, they're gonna say, I don't care. If you ask them.
21900:30:17.170 --> 00:30:22.270San Rao: Do you care if you lose parking in front of your house? You better take care. And we never asked
that question.
22000:30:23.240 --> 00:30:26.010San Rao: I implore you, do one of three things.
22100:30:26.510 --> 00:30:29.950San Rao: Continue the items so that Councilmember Wong can participate.
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22300:30:44.330 --> 00:30:51.520San Rao: I hope you will pick to either continue or defund this project. Thank you. We cannot afford it. We
are in a deficit.
22400:30:55.550 --> 00:30:59.630Speaker 11 (Community Hall): Thank you, San. And Mayor, that concludes the request to speak on this item.
22500:31:00.120 --> 00:31:18.589Speaker 4 (Community Hall): Okay, thank you, and, thank you for the report as well, and for, taking all the
input with regards to the ranking and implementing that into your, update. I do want to, hear a response to,
22600:31:18.650 --> 00:31:28.390Speaker 4 (Community Hall): the last caller, regarding this being a project. So, what is the actual implication of the ATP?
22700:31:30.370 --> 00:31:33.119Speaker 6 (Community Hall): You can think of the ATP as…
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Speaker 6 (Community Hall): really the city's vehicle for securing grant funding for pedestrian and bicycle
projects. So, we have a long list of projects that are included in the Active Transportation Plan, having, and I think I said this earlier, having a council-adopted plan that has these projects
22900:31:50.250 --> 00:32:04.050Speaker 6 (Community Hall): in there will allow us to secure grant funding for projects like Lawrence Middie, the UP Trail, when the right-of-way may become available, or smaller intersection projects. So, that's its
utility. Okay, thanks.
23000:32:04.055 --> 00:32:08.525Speaker 4 (Community Hall): Thank you. I do want to make a comment about some of the
23100:32:08.525 --> 00:32:22.854Speaker 4 (Community Hall): bike route signage. There's, bike route… bike route signage that's been added
to my neighborhood, and the signs are kind of large, and it… common sense will get you to
23200:32:22.855 --> 00:32:29.904Speaker 4 (Community Hall): to these schools, without needing these signs. So, I'm not sure that anybody is really,
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Speaker 4 (Community Hall): using the signage in order to get to either the high school or the middle school.
So I… I would like to have that reviewed before more of this,
23400:32:41.025 --> 00:32:57.594Speaker 4 (Community Hall): because it is visually busier to have these signs up on the poles, so I don't know if people really need it, so I want to make sure about that. Then, the second part was the, the fire chief had made some mentions about,
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Speaker 4 (Community Hall): Pedestrians and bicyclists being able to, kind of.
23600:33:01.395 --> 00:33:10.995Speaker 4 (Community Hall): kind of shut down some intersections, and perhaps the city manager would like to share that, and I think it's something that we might need to remedy.
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Speaker 5 (Community Hall): Yes, thank you, Mayor, and I did share that with staff. It may or may not have
come up at the, at the BPC meeting.
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Speaker 5 (Community Hall): But this was also brought up at our commission chair meeting as well, that there's some concerns around certain schools that, you know, during the time when students are leaving, that it's creating some traffic congestion. So staff is aware of that, and we're looking into that.
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Speaker 4 (Community Hall): Thank you, and that's as it relates to, potential need to evacuate and, having
these intersections shut down. And… Vice Mayor?
24000:33:51.500 --> 00:33:58.580Speaker 8 (Community Hall): First of all, there was one question about e-bike. So this plan doesn't include any e-bike.
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Speaker 8 (Community Hall): plant, right?
24200:34:01.450 --> 00:34:14.059Speaker 6 (Community Hall): No, it… there is a program and policy memo which makes the recommendation to do a better job at educating the public on what the laws are around e-bikes.
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Speaker 8 (Community Hall): So the e-bikes currently can…
24400:34:16.659 --> 00:34:24.019Speaker 8 (Community Hall): Use either the vehicle lane or the bike lane, but some of them are on the… Sidewalk 2.
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Speaker 6 (Community Hall): Yeah, they're not allowed to be on the sidewalk, and I'm not sure exactly on the laws as they relate to the…
24600:34:31.010 --> 00:34:34.280Speaker 6 (Community Hall): classifications for those e-bikes.
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Speaker 10 (Community Hall): We will be holding an informational community meeting in May to really address questions around e-bikes and e-scooters, talking about the different classes of e-bikes.
24800:34:46.139 --> 00:35:02.000Speaker 10 (Community Hall): Where they are allowed, where they are not. We're having a couple experts in the field come to provide that talk, as well as, hopefully some, sheriff present at the meeting, as well, to
answer some questions. So I encourage the council or the community to attend that meeting.
24900:35:02.140 --> 00:35:05.109Speaker 10 (Community Hall): To learn everything about bikes.
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Speaker 5 (Community Hall): It's part of the same effort by Smith. So we, were hosting this meeting,
community meeting in May, and the sheriff's office has actually created some educational materials that I
shared with Council, I think, last week.
25200:35:25.785 --> 00:35:35.015Speaker 5 (Community Hall): And we're currently, you know, engaging with the sheriff's office to see, you know, what does enforcement look like, what does education look like. There are also
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Speaker 5 (Community Hall): other cities who are starting to, adopt their own local ordinances on this, so this is something that, you know, that I'll work with the mayor, and if there's interest on Council, we can bring something forward for Cupertino to.
25400:35:47.855 --> 00:36:06.775Speaker 8 (Community Hall): consider. Thank you. So, there was a question about, how come you didn't ask
about this question, or that question? Like, whether would you like to lose parking in front of your house?
So, I'm just curious, what are the… I think the survey, you asked a few questions.
25500:36:07.155 --> 00:36:13.955Speaker 8 (Community Hall): How are you using the answers for those questions to influence the plan?
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Speaker 8 (Community Hall): And, those questions that some people
25700:36:18.405 --> 00:36:24.314Speaker 8 (Community Hall): Related to traffic impact, I think we are trying to address that with a new guideline, right?
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Speaker 6 (Community Hall): Yeah, so we're gonna be addressing those
25900:36:27.450 --> 00:36:33.869Speaker 6 (Community Hall): potential issues with those guidelines. The questions that I asked at all the community events were about.
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Speaker 6 (Community Hall): Well, in Phase 2, that was the network recommendation phase, so we had
developed these project recommendations.
26100:36:39.650 --> 00:36:59.399Speaker 6 (Community Hall): And we were… the project recommendations are based on design guidance
from the Caltrans Design Information Bullet in 94, based on, design discretion from city staff, and also on
what makes sense given the vehicle speeds on certain roadways, what the level of traffic stress is.
26200:36:59.450 --> 00:37:13.690Speaker 6 (Community Hall): So, when talking to the community, we're talking about the projects at a
conceptual level, and we're not getting into a degree of design detail about potential parking removal or lane
reductions, because those are unknowns at this time.
26300:37:15.290 --> 00:37:28.690Speaker 10 (Community Hall): Okay. I'll add also that the neighborhood bike routes that most people live on, there would be no parking removal associated with any of those projects. There's maybe, what, half a dozen
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Speaker 10 (Community Hall): streets at most total in the plant where there may be some parking removal,
and those are not on local residential streets. So it's really a non-issue for the neighborhood routes. Yeah,
thank you.
26500:37:41.190 --> 00:37:57.900Speaker 8 (Community Hall): I think the last time there were a lot of questions about the purple bike lanes, so I think people all understand now that we are not removing any parking. We are not adding separated
bike lanes on those, right?
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Speaker 6 (Community Hall): So if IT can share my presentation, there we are. Yeah.
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Speaker 6 (Community Hall): And separated bike lanes on Foothill. And actually, compared to the 2016 plan,
this is a scaled-down version of what was proposed in that, because in 2016, the bike plan actually has a
recommendation to have separated bike lanes on both Spelling
27000:38:54.460 --> 00:39:06.669Speaker 6 (Community Hall): and Blaney for the entire length. So on Blaney from Homestead to Bollinger, and Stelling from Homestead to Prospect. So there's less Class 4 mileage in this ATP than there was in the 2016 bike plan.
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Speaker 8 (Community Hall): So, you're not recommending separating the bike land for planning anymore?
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Speaker 6 (Community Hall): Just over 280.
27300:39:17.600 --> 00:39:19.159Speaker 6 (Community Hall): And on the approach.
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27500:39:23.540 --> 00:39:26.249Speaker 8 (Community Hall): Because of the width. Because of the width.
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Speaker 6 (Community Hall): It's a buffered bike lane, and that's a project that would require some parking removal for it to be built, but given the number of driveways along Blaney, a separated bike lane would be…
27700:39:38.840 --> 00:39:41.459Speaker 6 (Community Hall): kind of cost prohibitive, honestly.
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Speaker 8 (Community Hall): And it's, how about Miller? So, Miller is still…
27900:39:46.135 --> 00:39:54.175Speaker 6 (Community Hall): Miller's a… actually, Miller in the 2016 plan was a Class 2B, so a buffered bike lane. It's only a Class 2 in this.
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Speaker 6 (Community Hall): Which was our aim to possibly preserve more parking, in doing so, but there still will be parking impacts. So that's a project that, if it moves forward, would come back at the 30% design phase for Council's evaluation.
28100:40:08.830 --> 00:40:20.430Speaker 8 (Community Hall): That one, the speed there is higher, because it's a two-lane each direction.
Correct. So it buffered, it separated the bike lane might, make more sense there.
28200:40:20.635 --> 00:40:23.455Speaker 6 (Community Hall): our recommendation is just the standard Class 2.
28300:40:27.370 --> 00:40:29.939Speaker 8 (Community Hall): What do you mean by standard class, too? Oh, just a stripe.
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Speaker 8 (Community Hall): Stripe. Oh, so, right? The recommendation here is only stripe, though. Yeah.
28600:40:35.365 --> 00:40:40.165Speaker 6 (Community Hall): because currently there's no bike lane on Miller on that segment there. Oh,
right.
28700:40:40.165 --> 00:40:42.855Speaker 8 (Community Hall): Okay, okay, yeah, okay.
28800:40:42.995 --> 00:40:50.124Speaker 8 (Community Hall): Thank you. And then, this isn't my comment on the scoring criteria. I think,
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Speaker 8 (Community Hall): they want to, promote. So I'm just wondering, maybe, we can have this as a
spreadsheet that different people might have their own score, per…
29100:41:25.485 --> 00:41:36.764Speaker 8 (Community Hall): put in different weighing… weighing on different parts, and then, so this would be just as a reference. Maybe in the future, bike paths have their own,
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Speaker 8 (Community Hall): ranking, and then the council can play around with our ranking, and then
maybe…
29300:41:45.115 --> 00:41:53.064Speaker 8 (Community Hall): That way, it's… it helps us to… to evaluate them, but it doesn't really make decision for us.
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Speaker 8 (Community Hall): Maybe that will be helpful.
29500:41:57.350 --> 00:42:09.839Speaker 10 (Community Hall): You're absolutely right, Vice Mayor, that it's… it is a reference. I think it's important, however, for everybody to be speaking the same language, if you will, when they look at the list and maintain a consistent
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Speaker 10 (Community Hall): prioritization list. However, it is certainly, But then the councils…
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Speaker 10 (Community Hall): discretion to elevate projects, which we've done in the past many times with the bike plan, with the PED plan.
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Speaker 10 (Community Hall): If a project is desirable at a certain point in time to pursue because of the
availability of grant funding, or maybe there's another project in the vicinity that we can piggyback on to get
some cost savings, or there are various reasons why projects that are lower on the list
29900:42:38.430 --> 00:42:49.179Speaker 10 (Community Hall): might be important to move them up and do sooner. That's absolutely something that staff can recommend, or council can recommend, regardless of where it lies in the ranking.
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Speaker 4 (Community Hall): Okay, just want to make a comment about the Finch Avenue,
30100:42:56.790 --> 00:43:00.539Speaker 4 (Community Hall): potential protected bike lane. Because this…
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Speaker 4 (Community Hall): when I… I'm looking at the street view of that, area, and it kind of reminds me
of Lawson, actually, and it… it seemed like, with Lawson, that they could have… that CUSD could have created a route on their property, and… and basically solved the issue that way, rather than having the city losing the parking, and I'm wondering if this…
30300:43:24.480 --> 00:43:33.199Speaker 4 (Community Hall): if Finch Avenue could be something that FUHSD, could provide a solution for
on… on site, for.
30400:43:33.250 --> 00:43:50.160Speaker 4 (Community Hall): for the bicyclists, rather than losing all of the parking there as well. So, when this project… if and when it does move ahead, I'd like to see if that could be explored. Some of their landscaping needs to be reworked, it's very old.
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Speaker 4 (Community Hall): And there may be,
30600:43:51.850 --> 00:44:09.720Speaker 4 (Community Hall): a more effective way to protect the bicyclists there. Do you need to have some kind of a straw poll from us with regards to our ranking preferences? I'm inclined to go with your recommendation, which is what you had originally,
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Speaker 4 (Community Hall): Provided, as opposed to the new scoring system, but what are you needing
from us there?
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Speaker 10 (Community Hall): I think, Mayor Strappel would be useful, yes. Okay.
30900:44:19.465 --> 00:44:20.205Speaker 4 (Community Hall): Huh.
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00:44:20.395 --> 00:44:26.395Speaker 4 (Community Hall): So, would council members like to comment on the two ranking systems? If we have to pay.
31100:44:26.395 --> 00:44:29.615Speaker 8 (Community Hall): It amounted to a ranking system.
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00:44:30.435 --> 00:44:38.885Speaker 8 (Community Hall): I would prefer the new one, because that prioritized the high accident area, I think.
31300:44:39.315 --> 00:44:47.069Speaker 8 (Community Hall): There's… I… I have… I think that's… I…
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00:44:47.865 --> 00:44:55.684Speaker 8 (Community Hall): Yeah, I do think that we need to prioritize more to reduce,
31500:44:55.945 --> 00:45:00.975Speaker 8 (Community Hall): Those… the… those more dangerous areas, so…
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Speaker 4 (Community Hall): Yeah, okay. Thank you, let's see… Councilmember Mohan, and then Councilmember Fuan. Yeah.
31700:45:10.650 --> 00:45:14.399Speaker 9 (Community Hall): No, just a request from staff to put that, the slide up.
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Speaker 9 (Community Hall): Showing the two different columns.
31900:45:27.120 --> 00:45:29.260Speaker 9 (Community Hall): Yeah, thank you, I'll hold my comments from now.
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Speaker 4 (Community Hall): Okay, so… but we do need to stop both, though. Councilmember Fruan, will
you please share your preference between the two ranking systems?
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Speaker 7 (Community Hall): So, I generally tend to agree with the Vice Mayor on this one, for a couple of
reasons. The first, that I just think we should generally be prioritizing things that involve safety, and the high injury network is probably the thing that is best attacked in order to address that.
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Speaker 7 (Community Hall): It also seems to me that a lot of the things that are prioritized in the original
are…
32300:45:59.695 --> 00:46:14.435Speaker 7 (Community Hall): sort of neighborhood streets that are largely going to result in a lot of the signage that the mayor was describing, and I'm not sure that that's the most effective change. It feels to me like, you know, that's really something that we can handle primarily through an education campaign.
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Speaker 7 (Community Hall): So I'd really like to focus our efforts on the high injury network, and so I think that the new scoring speaks to that more strongly. If there are particular projects that people have a lot of interest in, I think the Vice Mayor also underscored we can always elevate that specifically. One is labeled here with the Torrey Avenue, Pacifica Avenue.
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Speaker 7 (Community Hall): intersection. I know that we've gotten a lot of feedback about that specific
space. The other is just, you know, we put this through both of the commissions. They've given us some
feedback. It resulted in this. I kind of want to honor the fact that they've wrestled with all of it.
32600:46:48.930 --> 00:46:51.680Speaker 4 (Community Hall): Thank you. Councilmember Mohan.
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Speaker 9 (Community Hall): Yeah, I'm concerned with that last, item, the Torrey Avenue, Pacifica.
32800:47:01.090 --> 00:47:06.050Speaker 9 (Community Hall): That it, shows such a precipitous drop in ranking.
32900:47:07.830 --> 00:47:12.039
Speaker 9 (Community Hall): If that could somehow be restored, I'm good with the change.
33000:47:13.850 --> 00:47:15.940Speaker 9 (Community Hall): Does that confuse the issue?
33100:47:18.140 --> 00:47:27.979Speaker 6 (Community Hall): Using the new criteria, that would not be able to be restored, because we are
going to be removing points from the school scoring, which this project relies heavily on.
33200:47:28.250 --> 00:47:36.869Speaker 6 (Community Hall): So, unfortunately, projects that are closer to schools, are gonna score a little more poorly, whereas projects that are on the high injury network
33300:47:36.870 --> 00:47:53.820Speaker 6 (Community Hall): mainly Bollinger, Homestead, De Anza, those intersection projects are going to score better. And again, the Miller project, the bike lane project there, it actually performs better with the new scoring, even though we are going to probably require the removal of parking in order to
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00:47:54.000 --> 00:47:56.920Speaker 6 (Community Hall): Make it, built.
33500:47:58.130 --> 00:48:00.380Speaker 10 (Community Hall): Okay. If this is helpful,
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Speaker 10 (Community Hall): At the Bike Commission meeting, I think it was a couple months ago, we talked about safety along Torrey Avenue between
33700:48:08.610 --> 00:48:26.699Speaker 10 (Community Hall): Pacifica and Rodriguez, and there were some recommendations from the Bike Commission that involved making some safety improvements at the Torrey-Pacifica intersection, which we
are moving forward with, regardless of where it falls in the active transportation plan, so we will be doing
some improvements at that intersection.
33800:48:27.640 --> 00:48:34.149Speaker 9 (Community Hall): Okay, so I'm hearing, that there's been some resolution along Tory Avenue.
33900:48:34.500 --> 00:48:36.469
Speaker 9 (Community Hall): And I'm good with that. Thank you.
34000:48:38.040 --> 00:48:53.149Speaker 4 (Community Hall): Okay, so that's… so we have three, approving the… requesting the… the new, criteria? Okay, and that there is a way… there is a way to get the Tory crossing there at that book drop,
34100:48:53.260 --> 00:48:59.120
Speaker 4 (Community Hall): some… some kind of mitigation for that, because I think everybody with
common sense,
34200:48:59.120 --> 00:49:22.510Speaker 4 (Community Hall): that having that… that large book drop and the two crossing ways is, it's confusing to people, and it gives an opportunity for a little person to be walking out behind the book, drop and, you know, running across the street, and they're gonna get hit. And we're also… I'm noticing that some school is using this area around 4.30 in the afternoon for a bus drop-off.
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Speaker 4 (Community Hall): And there's a lot of parents that are here picking up kids. I don't know how that came to pass, but that's something that needs to be worked on. I don't know that this is the safest location for that to be happening, and the bus will stop right at the book drop.
34400:49:37.280 --> 00:49:46.970Speaker 4 (Community Hall): And hold up traffic in both directions. So that is something else, complicating that intersection. And, and Vice Mayor?
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Speaker 4 (Community Hall): Oh.
34600:49:48.230 --> 00:49:48.980Speaker 8 (Community Hall): Thank you.
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Speaker 8 (Community Hall): Thank you for bringing up the Tory and Pacifica.
34800:49:53.940 --> 00:49:55.090Community Hall: But that's…
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Speaker 8 (Community Hall): not… Boom.
35000:49:59.900 --> 00:50:01.990Speaker 8 (Community Hall): Okay, so that's closed.
35100:50:02.610 --> 00:50:07.620
Speaker 8 (Community Hall): So that's Safe Route 2 to Eaton, Eaton, Eaton Elementary.
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00:50:07.980 --> 00:50:15.600Speaker 8 (Community Hall): But, I mean, so that… but there hasn't been, high accident in that area so far.
35300:50:17.850 --> 00:50:29.499Speaker 10 (Community Hall): Okay. We have had a few minor incidents there over the past several years,
and that's one reason why the Bike Commission had endorsed making some safety improvements, which we
are moving forward with.
35400:50:30.020 --> 00:50:31.560Speaker 8 (Community Hall): Okay, yeah.
35500:50:32.980 --> 00:50:37.550
Speaker 8 (Community Hall): Yeah, I'm surprised with that, but I guess that's… this is why this kind of…
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00:50:37.850 --> 00:50:42.079Speaker 8 (Community Hall): Ranking is really, like, a reference, right? Because…
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Speaker 8 (Community Hall): A lot of this scoring is…
35800:50:44.780 --> 00:50:48.020Speaker 8 (Community Hall): Still object… subjective, and then…
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00:50:48.240 --> 00:50:54.310Speaker 8 (Community Hall): When combined together, they have different effects. Yeah. Okay, thank you.
36000:50:54.310 --> 00:51:10.009Speaker 4 (Community Hall): So, do you have enough information to go on? And we've given you the straw poll, so you have that result as well? Yes. All right, okay. And with that, hearing no further comments from
the Council, this meeting is adjourned, and we'll start back up at 6.45. Thank you.
36100:59:40.000 --> 00:59:50.809Speaker 4 (Community Hall): Good evening, it is 6.45 on April 7th, 2026, and I call this regular meeting of the Cupertino City Council to order. Please stand for the Pledge of Allegiance.
36200:59:53.760 --> 00:59:55.890
Speaker 4 (Community Hall): I pledge allegiance to the flag…
36300:59:55.890 --> 01:00:06.369Speaker 8 (Community Hall): of the United States of America, and to the Republic for which it stands, one nation, under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.
36401:00:08.560 --> 01:00:10.719
Speaker 4 (Community Hall): Madam City Clerk, will you please call the roll?
36501:00:12.740 --> 01:00:15.760Speaker 11 (Community Hall): Councilmember Fruen? Here. Councilmember Rohan? Here.
36601:00:15.890 --> 01:00:17.730Speaker 14 (Community Hall): Councilmember Wong? I'm sorry.
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01:00:17.730 --> 01:00:20.009Speaker 11 (Community Hall): Sorry, Councilmember Wong is absent. Vice Mayor Chao?
36801:00:22.710 --> 01:00:24.179Speaker 12 (Community Hall): Here. Mayor Moore.
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Speaker 4 (Community Hall): Madam City Attorney, do we have any closed session reports?
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Speaker 12 (Community Hall): This evening, Mayor, we had no closed session.
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Speaker 2 (Community Hall): So, no report, thank you.
37201:00:31.280 --> 01:00:44.809Speaker 4 (Community Hall): Correct, thank you. And, first we have our ceremonial items. Our first item is a proclamation in recognition of April as Donate Life Month, and we have a brief presentation
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Speaker 4 (Community Hall): from Hoha, the Community Engagement Specialist, from Donor Network West, who will provide some brief comments and receive the proclamation.
37401:01:01.010 --> 01:01:03.100Speaker 4 (Community Hall): Welcome. Hi there, good afternoon.
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Speaker 4 (Community Hall): My name's Hua, I'm the Community Engagement Specialist for Donor Network West, a nonprofit located in San.
37601:01:08.950 --> 01:01:22.050Speaker 15 (Community Hall): I want to take a moment to express my sincere gratitude to Mayor Moore and
the team at Cupertino. National Donate Life Month was established by Donate Life America in 2003.
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01:01:22.500 --> 01:01:34.099Speaker 15 (Community Hall): Observed each April, National Donate Life Month helps raise awareness about donation and encourages folks to register as organ, eye, and tissue donors, and honors those who have saved lives through the gift of donation.
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Speaker 15 (Community Hall): Your efforts have helped to amplify the crucial message reaching countless
individuals and inspiring them to consider the life-saving impact of donation. Your commitment to promoting
Donate Life Month has undoubtedly made a significant difference, bringing hope to over 100,000 patients waiting for a second chance.
37901:01:53.410 --> 01:02:01.920Speaker 15 (Community Hall): And over 612 in the Santa Clara County. Thank you so much for your partnership, your compassion, and your dedication to saving lives. Thank you.
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01:02:01.925 --> 01:02:06.264Speaker 4 (Community Hall): Thank you, and please come on to the dais, and we will have a group photo. Thank you.
38101:02:43.170 --> 01:02:44.670Speaker 2 (Community Hall): Getting everyone in.
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01:02:45.080 --> 01:02:45.910Community Hall: Okay, thanks.
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Speaker 2 (Community Hall): 32, 1… And then I'll get some more.
38401:02:56.670 --> 01:03:01.250Speaker 2 (Community Hall): And then sideways to be fancy. Thank you for your patience.
38501:03:06.020 --> 01:03:07.030
Speaker 2 (Community Hall): Alright, thanks so much.
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01:03:09.460 --> 01:03:10.290Community Hall: this much.
38701:03:13.840 --> 01:03:14.880Community Hall: They listened.
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Speaker 4 (Community Hall): Right, we… our second item is a proclamation in recognition of April as Fair Housing Month. In this year, we've added additional supporters of fair housing in our community, so we'll be providing multiple proclamations. The following individuals will provide brief remarks and accept the Fair Housing Month proclamations. Sujatha.
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Speaker 4 (Community Hall): Venka Traman, the Executive Director of West Valley Community Services, will
please speak first, and then followed by Sherry Burns, the Executive Director of Silicon Valley Independent
Living Center, then followed by Sarah Cottrell, the Executive from Project Sentinel Fair Housing. Welcome, Sujatha. Thank you so much.
39001:04:13.465 --> 01:04:23.434Speaker 5 (Community Hall): Thank you so much, Mayor Moore. Thank you, City Council. My name is Sujata Venkatraman, and I'm the Executive Director of West Valley Community Services, an organization providing
critical.
39101:04:23.435 --> 01:04:39.955Speaker 16 (Community Hall): critical safety needs services to Cupertino residents and other communities, West Valley communities. Our mission is to unite the community to fight hunger and homelessness with a vision that everyone has food on their table and a roof over their head. This proclamation
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Speaker 16 (Community Hall): helps to support that work. We value this partnership with the city to support
the most vulnerable, and in creating an inclusive community for Cupertino residents and others in Best Valley
City. Thank you so much. Thank you.
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Speaker 4 (Community Hall): And next, Sherry?
39401:04:58.000 --> 01:04:59.389Speaker 4 (Community Hall): Sherry Burns.
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01:05:07.440 --> 01:05:13.850Speaker 4 (Community Hall): Thank you, Mayor Moore and the Cupertino City Council, for recognizing April.
39601:05:13.850 --> 01:05:15.399Speaker 17 (Community Hall): as Fair Housing Month.
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Speaker 9 (Community Hall): Again, my name is Sherry Burns, and as the Executive Director of.
39801:05:19.295 --> 01:05:29.664Speaker 17 (Community Hall): Silicon Valley Independent Living Center, I can attest that every year we assist hundreds of county residents with disabilities, including youth.
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Speaker 17 (Community Hall): and older adults with chronic health conditions with trying to meet their housing needs. Of the 15 different services that SVILC provides, housing assistance is the most requested.
40001:05:43.045 --> 01:06:02.785Speaker 17 (Community Hall): Not only does our community need more deeply affordable housing stock, but we need more accessible housing, too, so that people can safely age in place and not lose their affordable
housing due to steps that they can no longer climb, or bathrooms they can no longer access to bathe in.
40101:06:03.145 --> 01:06:07.765Speaker 17 (Community Hall): The City of Cupertino rightfully places increasing the supply of
40201:06:08.005 --> 01:06:20.625Speaker 17 (Community Hall): And condition of affordable housing at the top of its consolidated housing plan
priority list, with stabilizing persons at risk of and experiencing homelessness as a close second.
40301:06:20.985 --> 01:06:35.785Speaker 17 (Community Hall): Though Cupertino's area median income is over $231,000 per year, 26% of Cupertino's households are defined as low income, and 33% of renters are housing cost burden.
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Speaker 17 (Community Hall): Jurisdictions across Santa Clara County are struggling with adequately
responding to homeless residents' needs with both inadequate funding
40501:06:45.765 --> 01:07:00.594Speaker 17 (Community Hall): and inadequate systems for sufficient prevention and provision of support
services, such as those provided by SVILC, West Valley Community Services, Project Sentinel, and many
other wonderful agencies.
40601:07:01.135 --> 01:07:10.555Speaker 17 (Community Hall): Maintaining these community services, coupled with increasing the housing
supply, will allow more Cupertino residents of all ages
40701:07:10.555 --> 01:07:25.245Speaker 17 (Community Hall): races and abilities to thrive more robustly in their community and to realize their goals and ambitions. Thank you again to the City of Cupertino for recognizing April as Fair Housing Month.
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Speaker 4 (Community Hall): Thank you, Sherry. Next, we have Sarah Cottrell from the Project Sentinel Fair
Housing.
40901:07:33.510 --> 01:07:35.270Speaker 4 (Community Hall): Welcome, Sarah. Thank you.
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Speaker 4 (Community Hall): Good evening, Mayor Moore and Council Members. Thank you for this
proclamation and for recognizing Fair Housing Month. My name is Sarah Cottrell, and I'm with Project
Sentinel. We've been serving communities like yours for nearly 50 years, providing fair housing services, including counseling, education, and enforcement, to help protect residents from discrimination.
41101:07:56.280 --> 01:07:59.219Speaker 4 (Community Hall): Fair housing isn't just a policy, it's about making sure.
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Speaker 13 (Community Hall): People feel safe.
41301:07:59.985 --> 01:08:08.174Speaker 4 (Community Hall): supported, and have equal access to housing opportunities. We truly appreciate your partnership and continued commitment to this work. Thank you so much.
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Speaker 4 (Community Hall): Thank you, Sarah. Now, will Sujatha, Sherry, and Sarah all come onto the dais, and we're going to have a group photo with the proclamations.
41501:08:29.435 --> 01:08:31.464Speaker 4 (Community Hall): Are these the same?
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Community Hall: Sorry, kidding myself.
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Speaker 4 (Community Hall): Such as…
41801:08:44.069 --> 01:08:46.910Community Hall: Maybe what they were able to misunderstood.
419
01:08:47.960 --> 01:08:54.040Community Hall: Yes, very much.
42001:09:06.160 --> 01:09:11.669Community Hall: Do you want to have the proclamations?
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Speaker 4 (Community Hall): like, centered and passed on outside, or…
42201:09:14.600 --> 01:09:15.559Speaker 4 (Community Hall): Show them.
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Speaker 4 (Community Hall): Switched on.
42401:09:45.819 --> 01:09:50.409Speaker 4 (Community Hall): Thank you so much, thank you again.
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Community Hall: Thank you, thank you, thank you so much. Thank you so much.
42601:10:15.150 --> 01:10:16.180Community Hall: Alright.
42701:10:17.430 --> 01:10:33.079
Speaker 4 (Community Hall): So, next item is postponements and orders of the day, and I request that we
postpone Chamber Item 14 to April 21st, and I'd like to have a second on that. The agenda packet, as you
may know, is 2,882.
42801:10:33.570 --> 01:10:36.250Speaker 9 (Community Hall): I'll second. Thank you.
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Speaker 4 (Community Hall): Madam City Clerk, will you please set the panel so we can conduct a vote?
43001:10:42.680 --> 01:10:43.750Speaker 14 (Community Hall): Yes, and to clarify.
431
01:10:43.755 --> 01:10:45.995Speaker 11 (Community Hall): if I've… who was it that seconded it? Was it…
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Speaker 14 (Community Hall): Councilmember Rohan? Okay, thank you.
43301:10:53.050 --> 01:10:54.050Community Hall: Okay…
43401:10:59.670 --> 01:11:02.749
Speaker 11 (Community Hall): Okay, the motion carries with Wong absent.
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01:11:03.840 --> 01:11:05.680Speaker 9 (Community Hall): Okay, thank you.
43601:11:06.970 --> 01:11:14.099Speaker 4 (Community Hall): Next, we move on to oral communications. Madam City Clerk, how many
speakers do we have at this time?
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01:11:21.630 --> 01:11:28.640Speaker 11 (Community Hall): Mayor, at this time I'm seeing 3 requests in person in Community Hall, and I currently see 2 hands raised virtually.
43801:11:29.360 --> 01:11:34.739
Speaker 11 (Community Hall): And maybe a couple more coming in, but I'm not sure if they're for oral
communications or not.
43901:11:44.730 --> 01:11:49.070Speaker 11 (Community Hall): We have one more, oral communication, in Community Hall.
44001:11:49.070 --> 01:12:00.849
Speaker 4 (Community Hall): Okay, so, so far, it looks like we will fit within the 30 minutes, allotting 3
minutes per person. Correct, Mayor. Okay. Madam City Clerk, will you please provide the instructions and
conduct oral communications?
44101:12:00.855 --> 01:12:09.825Speaker 11 (Community Hall): So this portion of the meeting is reserved for persons wishing to address the Council on any matters within the jurisdiction of the Council and not on the agenda for discussion.
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Speaker 11 (Community Hall): Oral communication shall be limited to 30 minutes. Additional speakers
wishing to comment on non-agenda items may be given time to speak at the end of the agenda after the City Manager's report. Individual speakers are limited to 3 minutes. As necessary, the mayor may further limit the time allowed to individual speakers, or reschedule remaining comments to the end of the meeting on a first…
44301:12:29.805 --> 01:12:51.574Speaker 11 (Community Hall): first-come, first-her basis with priority given to students. In most cases, state law will prohibit the Council from discussing or making any decisions with respect to a matter not listed on the agenda. A council member may, however, briefly respond to statements made or questions posed by
speakers. A council member may also ask a question for clarification, provide a reference for factual
information requests.
44401:12:52.445 --> 01:12:59.994Speaker 11 (Community Hall): Factual information, request staff to report back concerning a matter, or request that an item be added to a future City Council agenda in response to public comment.
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Speaker 11 (Community Hall): As a reminder, members of the public wishing to speak regarding the oral
communications item shall submit a request to speak or raise their hand virtually within the first 9 minutes of
the start of the public comment period, or before the public comment period is closed, whichever comes first.
44601:13:14.695 --> 01:13:25.394Speaker 11 (Community Hall): So at this time, we will welcome Jennifer Griffin, followed by… I believe this is
Roger Costa, followed by Rhoda Fry, so welcome, Jennifer.
447
01:13:32.540 --> 01:13:38.159Speaker 12 (Community Hall): Well, oh, here we go. Anyway, hi, I'm Jennifer Griffin, and…
44801:13:38.790 --> 01:13:44.579Speaker 13 (Community Hall): Whoops. The fact that we had a 4.7 earthquake last
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Speaker 13 (Community Hall): Tuesday… Wednesday morning at, well, maybe it was Thursday.
45001:13:48.795 --> 01:13:49.735Speaker 12 (Community Hall): you mourning it.
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Speaker 13 (Community Hall): 1.30 a.m, you all were here.
45201:13:52.330 --> 01:14:03.610Speaker 13 (Community Hall): I was at my mother-in-law's. It was a frightening experience. I called my mother at 2 AM. She was in Aptos. She said on the second story, she's 94.
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Speaker 13 (Community Hall): She said it was, like, A train hit her house, head on.
45401:14:08.810 --> 01:14:13.690
Speaker 13 (Community Hall): The shaking was horrible. The epicenter was in Boulder Creek.
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Speaker 13 (Community Hall): I knew from going through the 89 earthquake, when I felt the shaking here, that we were not at the epicenter, that it was between
45601:14:25.930 --> 01:14:34.080Speaker 13 (Community Hall): after talking to my mother, I knew the epicenter was between us and her,
and it was Boulder Creek. I was correct.
457
01:14:34.210 --> 01:14:35.879Speaker 13 (Community Hall): I want to go back
45801:14:37.370 --> 01:14:51.729Speaker 13 (Community Hall): to remind everyone that this is a appropriate wake-up call. We live in
earthquake country. We have to be aware of this. Don't put heavy paintings over your bed.
459
01:14:51.900 --> 01:14:58.599Speaker 13 (Community Hall): Don't remember that loose appliances, like refrigerators, can go over.
46001:14:58.850 --> 01:15:04.529Speaker 13 (Community Hall): And if you're on a second, or third, or fourth stirring, the shaking will be
worse.
461
01:15:04.930 --> 01:15:15.019Speaker 13 (Community Hall): April is when the 1906 earthquake hit at 5 AM. The 1989 Loma Prieta was at 5 p.m.
46201:15:15.060 --> 01:15:34.319
Speaker 13 (Community Hall): October 17, 1989. I remember it well. San Francisco Airport was closed. San
Jose Airport was closed. Highway 17 was closed. My brother was in Kansas, had to fly into Sacramento.
46301:15:34.320 --> 01:15:49.430Speaker 13 (Community Hall): My youngest brother drove up there to get him, to drive him back to the family home in Los Gatos, where multiple homes had gone off their foundations. My husband's mobile home went off its foundations in San Jose.
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Speaker 13 (Community Hall): The epicenter was in, Loma Prieta, near Highway 17 in Santa Cruz.
46501:15:58.320 --> 01:16:00.400Speaker 13 (Community Hall): 30 miles away.
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Speaker 13 (Community Hall): Where we were, there was massive damage. 30 miles up in the Marina
District in San Francisco, there was massive damage, liquification, bubbles came up, sidewalks collapsed. I
don't want to scare anyone.
46701:16:17.790 --> 01:16:35.170Speaker 13 (Community Hall): But this is life in this area. Alviso, the Port of Alviso, was activated as an
emergency area to bring supplies in from San Francisco. A lot of things were shut down for 3 months.
46801:16:35.300 --> 01:16:38.180Speaker 13 (Community Hall): Please be aware and ready. Thank you.
46901:16:38.635 --> 01:16:40.505Speaker 14 (Community Hall): Thank you, Jennifer. Next, we will welcome.
470
01:16:40.510 --> 01:16:46.850Speaker 11 (Community Hall): Roger Costa, followed by Rhoda Fry, followed by Monica Faria. Welcome, Roger.
47101:16:47.290 --> 01:16:48.280Speaker 11 (Community Hall): Good evening.
472
01:16:48.640 --> 01:16:53.810Speaker 11 (Community Hall): Madam Mayor, members of the Council, my name is Roger Costa. I am speaking tonight.
47301:16:53.810 --> 01:17:09.910Speaker 18 (Community Hall): as a long-term resident of Cupertino. I also serve on the Ad Hoc Wildfire
Cupertino Committee, and the purpose of my remarks is basically to ask your assistance in helping to
prevent
47401:17:10.140 --> 01:17:14.790Speaker 18 (Community Hall): a, Pacific Palisades sort of wildfire event here in Cupertino.
47501:17:15.070 --> 01:17:31.300
Speaker 18 (Community Hall): Over the last couple of years, the CAL FIRE organization has mapped the
entire state in and determined fire hazard severity zones with ranks from very high to high to moderate
severity.
47601:17:31.480 --> 01:17:42.980Speaker 18 (Community Hall): And the hazard is from airborne embers flying into the area and igniting the homes and the areas where they land.
477
01:17:43.320 --> 01:17:47.660
Speaker 18 (Community Hall): And the, area of Cupertino.
47801:17:48.030 --> 01:17:50.749
Speaker 18 (Community Hall): That is designated very high.
479
01:17:51.130 --> 01:17:52.440
Speaker 18 (Community Hall): fire hazard.
48001:17:52.670 --> 01:17:57.400Speaker 18 (Community Hall): It's somewhere between 15 and 20% of the total city land area.
481
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Speaker 18 (Community Hall): And if you add high and moderate to it, it just goes up from there. So it's an…
it's a concern that we should all be concerned with and working to help minimize risk.
48201:18:12.110 --> 01:18:18.020Speaker 18 (Community Hall): The specific purpose, though, tonight is to ask for your help in two areas regarding
483
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Speaker 18 (Community Hall): a, a piece of California legislation that was passed in 2022.
48401:18:23.880 --> 01:18:27.660Speaker 18 (Community Hall): Labeled Assembly Bill 1572.
485
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Speaker 18 (Community Hall): And this deals with water conservation across the state. It's a very worthwhile
goal.
48601:18:35.560 --> 01:18:44.189Speaker 18 (Community Hall): One element of that bill Is that you will not be able to use potable water, to irrigate
487
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Speaker 18 (Community Hall): Non-functional lawn areas. Non-functional turf is the term in the bill.
48801:18:50.670 --> 01:18:56.570Speaker 18 (Community Hall): And the definition of what is functional and non-functional is extraordinarily vague.
489
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Speaker 18 (Community Hall): And environmental advocacy groups across the state
49001:19:00.620 --> 01:19:09.010Speaker 18 (Community Hall): Are pushing aggressively to, expand the definition of non-functional turf to minimize water usage.
491
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Speaker 18 (Community Hall): That's all well and good. However, globally, Fire authorities monitor
49201:19:15.670 --> 01:19:23.670Speaker 18 (Community Hall): water content, moisture content in grassland areas. And they have a measure
called curing value.
49301:19:23.980 --> 01:19:26.679Speaker 18 (Community Hall): And so, when a plane or a…
49401:19:27.760 --> 01:19:32.880Speaker 18 (Community Hall): A prairie has dried out and all the lawn or grass area is yellow.
495
01:19:33.040 --> 01:19:35.930Speaker 18 (Community Hall): It has a curing value of 100.
49601:19:36.720 --> 01:19:43.010Speaker 18 (Community Hall): A well-maintained lawn area that's irrigated has a curing value of zero.
497
01:19:43.610 --> 01:19:49.430
Speaker 18 (Community Hall): There is no better landscape,
49801:19:49.870 --> 01:19:54.270Speaker 18 (Community Hall): Form that is… that is a plant, than that.
499
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Speaker 18 (Community Hall): I ask… may I just finish with the request for this? I ask that you do two
things. Ask that the county fire department
50001:20:05.160 --> 01:20:10.569Speaker 18 (Community Hall): asks the regional water, water service.
501
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Speaker 14 (Community Hall): This is bored.
50201:20:11.335 --> 01:20:12.945Speaker 11 (Community Hall): Thank you, Roger. Sorry, that is your time.
503
01:20:12.945 --> 01:20:13.635
Speaker 14 (Community Hall): Or an again.
50401:20:13.635 --> 01:20:14.425Speaker 18 (Community Hall): exemption.
505
01:20:14.645 --> 01:20:22.754Speaker 18 (Community Hall): and then work with Senator Becker and Assemblyman Ahrens to get an amendment to the law. Thank you.
506
01:20:22.890 --> 01:20:28.199
Speaker 11 (Community Hall): Thank you, thank you, Roger. Next we have Rhoda Frye, followed by Monica.
50701:20:28.470 --> 01:20:31.459Speaker 11 (Community Hall): Followed by Jennifer. Well, doom and gloom seems.
508
01:20:31.465 --> 01:20:31.895
Speaker 3 (Community Hall): to be on the.
50901:20:31.900 --> 01:20:33.010Speaker 5 (Community Hall): agenda today.
51001:20:33.460 --> 01:20:44.130
Speaker 3 (Community Hall): First of all, I was really dismayed that the city Did not reveal a evacuation
assessment.
51101:20:44.700 --> 01:20:48.570Speaker 19 (Community Hall): That had been received in October. We didn't get it until March.
51201:20:48.880 --> 01:20:51.500
Speaker 19 (Community Hall): I really feel that's a dereliction of duty.
513
01:20:51.580 --> 01:21:09.370Speaker 19 (Community Hall): And I was just stunned by it. And really appreciate Roger's comments this evening as well. Oh yeah, and then there's earthquakes, too. And we do need to do what we can for hardening, and sometimes that potentially could actually mean
514
01:21:09.510 --> 01:21:13.299
Speaker 19 (Community Hall): Ordering lawns, which is surprising, but he's done his homework.
51501:21:13.590 --> 01:21:29.209Speaker 19 (Community Hall): What I came to talk to you tonight is, you know, we've been talking about various ways of, financing. One of the things that the city has talked about in the past is selling our water rights. We have,
516
01:21:29.210 --> 01:21:40.260
Speaker 19 (Community Hall): we actually own some of our own… our water rights. It's the Monta Vista
Water Works. Actually, the voters voted it in, and we actually taxed ourselves way, way back.
51701:21:40.370 --> 01:21:52.399
Speaker 19 (Community Hall): way, way back. Between… before maybe some of you were born, but it did
happen, so this is something that we voted for, so I'm not sure that we can actually sell it to, potentially, to San Jose Water.
518
01:21:52.580 --> 01:22:07.739
Speaker 19 (Community Hall): I, I really don't want that to happen, so… and I'm worried that it could come
up, so that's why I'm bringing it up today. The other thing I really want to quickly go over, and I'll hand my
paper in to the, to, to, to the, city clerk, little, story about
51901:22:08.200 --> 01:22:19.479Speaker 19 (Community Hall): finance… our finances. I would really encourage people to go over to EMA, which, where you can see what's going on with our city debt. I want to talk a little bit about, how we got into the UUT.
520
01:22:19.480 --> 01:22:33.340Speaker 19 (Community Hall): The way we got into the UUT was, hey, it would be about $2.50 a month for tax. Purpose of that, that we voted in, was to buy Blackberry Farm and the Fremont Older School site. And guess what? This was really exciting.
52101:22:33.590 --> 01:22:35.790
Speaker 19 (Community Hall): How long will I have to pay for Measure T?
52201:22:36.210 --> 01:22:44.339Speaker 19 (Community Hall): Measure T will sunset or end after 25 years, or sooner, if the properties can be paid off. So, isn't that cool?
52301:22:44.345 --> 01:22:49.764
Speaker 4 (Community Hall): Thanks for the interruption. Can we hold time, so that we can actually see the,
presentation materials?
52401:22:53.110 --> 01:22:57.479Speaker 8 (Community Hall): We couldn't see your projection.
52501:22:57.480 --> 01:22:59.849
Speaker 4 (Community Hall): We could not see it on the overhead. Oh.
52601:23:01.310 --> 01:23:04.119Speaker 4 (Community Hall): There we go, and if that could…
52701:23:04.125 --> 01:23:22.505Speaker 19 (Community Hall): hand them in, too, so it'll be in the record, so y'all can see it later. Okay,
thank you. Thank you. And anyway, here's the vote, and shall we buy Blackberry Farms open space,
acquisition, preservation of land, and actually was also construction of public facilities. Here's the election. So
what happened? We've,
52801:23:22.665 --> 01:23:37.595
Speaker 19 (Community Hall): voted in a debt, it's called a certificate of participation, which is like a bond,
$32 million. But interestingly, then… pull it up, then there was the li… the library of things. Do we want a big library, or do we want a bigger library? So we voted…
529
01:23:37.655 --> 01:23:43.864
Speaker 19 (Community Hall): for a bigger library, and guess what? That wound up being $56 million. So
instead of getting
53001:23:44.075 --> 01:24:00.165Speaker 19 (Community Hall): what would be a bigger library? We got… we refined the whole library. Then we… and then we went and did the UUT a second time. Do you want more? Do you… do you want to continue the tax without any increase of tax? Well, it did if your energy cost goes up. So that's the story.
531
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Speaker 19 (Community Hall): Thanks.
53201:24:01.690 --> 01:24:02.689Speaker 14 (Community Hall): Thank you, Rhoda.
533
01:24:02.850 --> 01:24:05.370
Speaker 14 (Community Hall): Our next speaker is Monica.
53401:24:06.150 --> 01:24:07.390Speaker 14 (Community Hall): Welcome, Monica.
535
01:24:15.700 --> 01:24:17.020
Speaker 3 (Community Hall): Hi, good evening.
53601:24:17.295 --> 01:24:21.785Speaker 12 (Community Hall): Moore, Vice Mayor, Council Members, City Manager. My name is Monica.
53701:24:21.790 --> 01:24:26.269
Speaker 16 (Community Hall): And I'd like to take this opportunity to communicate and introduce myself.
538
01:24:26.275 --> 01:24:45.015Speaker 20 (Community Hall): that I'm your local government affairs representative with PG&E. I know that you guys were previously working with my colleague Sergio Jimenez. Sergio is still with our company, but he's assisting in my transition, and I will be representing the City of Cupertino, and I look forward to our continued partnership.
539
01:24:45.015 --> 01:24:46.525
Speaker 20 (Community Hall): Moving forward.
54001:24:46.525 --> 01:24:56.815Speaker 20 (Community Hall): I will be your primary point of contact for all PG&E-related matters. If you
have questions, concerns, or need information regarding PG&E, I'm here to help.
541
01:24:57.625 --> 01:25:17.415
Speaker 20 (Community Hall): I value strong partnerships with our local government leaders, and I'm committed to being responsive and a collaborative resource. I look forward to connecting, and I'll be reaching out to you individually so that I can best understand your priorities, concerns, and be of service for all PG&E matters. I look forward to working together, and thank you for your time.
542
01:25:19.780 --> 01:25:20.819
Speaker 14 (Community Hall): Thank you, Monica.
54301:25:21.780 --> 01:25:28.699Speaker 11 (Community Hall): That concludes the request to speak in person, so we will go to our request to speak virtually. We have two hands raised.
544
01:25:29.160 --> 01:25:32.840
Speaker 11 (Community Hall): At this time, we will welcome call-in user 1.
54501:25:40.510 --> 01:25:42.830Speaker 11 (Community Hall): Alright, you're unmuted.
54601:25:43.990 --> 01:25:44.990
Speaker 11 (Community Hall): Welcome.
547
01:25:45.860 --> 01:25:49.270Call-In User_1: Good evening, councils. You can hear me?
54801:25:49.880 --> 01:25:50.890Speaker 14 (Community Hall): We can hear you.
549
01:25:51.180 --> 01:26:02.700
Call-In User_1: Okay, good evening. My name is Jay. I'm a member of the residence long-term… Residence Huang family. I'm here to regarding the property belonging that was taken without a notice.
55001:26:02.910 --> 01:26:07.989Call-In User_1: And, a person was taking 2016, and again.
551
01:26:08.150 --> 01:26:22.010
Call-In User_1: And without notice, I'm 2021. I've made a repeated effort to resolve this matter with the City of Cupertino and request the meetings, but I have not received a response, for the last few years.
55201:26:22.010 --> 01:26:29.740Call-In User_1: I'm asking the Council to please look into this matter, help facilitate the return of four
property, and the issued ongoing…
553
01:26:30.130 --> 01:26:47.900Call-In User_1: the retaliation to end, and no further retaliation or raising an issue. We're ready to sit down with the city, we should have been ready for a while, to resolve this promptly, and I expect the return of property and belongings and the end of the retaliations.
554
01:26:48.020 --> 01:26:49.180
Call-In User_1: Thank you.
55501:26:50.070 --> 01:26:57.790Call-In User_1: And I need to, please let the city official talk to us, and we will request that. Thank you.
556
01:27:00.260 --> 01:27:04.680
Speaker 11 (Community Hall): Thank you. Our next speaker is San Rao. Welcome, San.
55701:27:06.820 --> 01:27:11.789San Rao: Good evening, Mayor Moore, Vice Mayor Chao, Councilmember, speaking on behalf of myself only as a resident.
558
01:27:12.540 --> 01:27:21.129
San Rao: Given you are considering a ballot measure for tax increases, I have been looking at our financial
situation.
55901:27:21.320 --> 01:27:23.880San Rao: And the data that we see
560
01:27:24.430 --> 01:27:31.389
San Rao: Is that over a 10-year period, our population has declined from 67,000 down to 57,000.
56101:27:31.620 --> 01:27:35.499San Rao: So we've had a nearly 10,000 decrease in our population.
562
01:27:36.320 --> 01:27:43.960
San Rao: Our staffing, if you look at a metric of staff per thousand restaurants, Our staffing has gone up.
56301:27:44.230 --> 01:27:45.610San Rao: In that time frame.
56401:27:45.890 --> 01:27:49.360
San Rao: From a metric of 2.8 to nearly 3.1.
565
01:27:50.580 --> 01:27:54.400San Rao: And if you look at our costs, our costs have significantly increased.
566
01:27:54.850 --> 01:27:57.329
San Rao: Much of that increase comes from public works.
56701:27:58.270 --> 01:28:03.580San Rao: While we do have increases due to the law enforcement contract that we're all aware of and
talking about.
56801:28:04.170 --> 01:28:07.849San Rao: There is a significant amount of cost increase in public works.
56901:28:08.790 --> 01:28:15.529San Rao: And that continues to… Get reallocated now to departments in the form of cost allocation.
570
01:28:15.900 --> 01:28:20.920San Rao: And the Parks and Rec Department is probably bearing the biggest cost of that.
57101:28:21.290 --> 01:28:28.250San Rao: If you looked at the POC and RECS expenses 10 years ago, in 2015, Parks and Rec was…
572
01:28:28.350 --> 01:28:30.400
San Rao: A third of what it is today.
57301:28:30.620 --> 01:28:35.219San Rao: And the reason is because we do this cost allocation and their expense shows up as bloated.
574
01:28:35.340 --> 01:28:37.440
San Rao: I ask you, what are we getting for it?
57501:28:38.050 --> 01:28:47.419San Rao: 10 years ago, we had projects that actually delivered new parks to the city, a new library, new facilities. We had real improvements.
576
01:28:48.480 --> 01:28:57.200
San Rao: what do we get now? When was the last time we've had a park? The Lawrence City Park was
acquired nearly 4 or 5 years ago. We haven't seen progress on that.
57701:28:57.600 --> 01:29:01.839San Rao: We have spent money on studies, on consultants, on projects that
578
01:29:02.050 --> 01:29:04.500
San Rao: Frankly, don't add value to the city.
57901:29:04.910 --> 01:29:08.099San Rao: And our plots and write budget has gone up a third.
58001:29:08.500 --> 01:29:18.119San Rao: So, as you look at where you're gonna make up the shortfall while you're depending on a potential ballot measure, I'd like you to consider
581
01:29:18.260 --> 01:29:24.449
San Rao: Bringing that staff per thousand resident metric back to the number it was at, 10 years ago.
58201:29:24.940 --> 01:29:29.910San Rao: I hear Councilmember Mohan saying that, oh, we have better services now than we had 10 years ago.
583
01:29:30.050 --> 01:29:33.769
San Rao: I would beg to defer. 10 years ago, we had a lot more services.
58401:29:33.920 --> 01:29:36.129San Rao: The Sports Center would open at 6 AM.
585
01:29:36.300 --> 01:29:40.039
San Rao: The sports center stayed open till 10pm. We had a teen center.
58601:29:40.200 --> 01:29:49.620San Rao: We had many other services. And so, we have lost a number of services. We had the BlackBerry farm serving us at a greater capacity than we have now.
587
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San Rao: And so I'd encourage you to look at creative ways to reduce the cost of public works. That starts
with cutting these consultant projects, it starts with cutting these design projects, for which we may or may not get refunded, and it starts with reducing the staffing
58801:30:05.940 --> 01:30:12.400San Rao: Because staffing is allocated to these projects, and if you stop these projects, we could reduce our staffing.
589
01:30:12.610 --> 01:30:19.629San Rao: So I urge you to think about how you get that staff per thousand metric down from where it's at now to where it was 10 years ago.
59001:30:19.780 --> 01:30:26.779San Rao: And really start to look at the population-based scenarios so that you can recoup easily
591
01:30:27.580 --> 01:30:29.690San Rao: 15 to 20 million out of the budget.
592
01:30:29.690 --> 01:30:31.769
Speaker 11 (Community Hall): Thank you, San. That is your time.
59301:30:32.310 --> 01:30:36.099Speaker 11 (Community Hall): Mayor, that concludes the request to speak under oral communications this
evening.
59401:30:36.105 --> 01:30:36.915Speaker 14 (Community Hall): Alright, thank you.
59501:30:36.920 --> 01:30:42.369Speaker 4 (Community Hall): Do we… Madam City Clerk, do we have any consent calendar items that have
been pulled?
59601:30:43.600 --> 01:30:48.330Speaker 4 (Community Hall): No, Mayor. Okay, do we have any members of the Council who wish to pull a consent item?
59701:30:50.890 --> 01:30:53.799
Speaker 4 (Community Hall): Councilmember Fruen and Councilmember Mohan?
59801:30:53.800 --> 01:31:00.000Speaker 7 (Community Hall): So it's not so much to pull an item, but I would ask to be able to make brief comments on item 7.
59901:31:00.190 --> 01:31:03.519
Speaker 7 (Community Hall): And get a clarifying point from the city manager.
60001:31:03.640 --> 01:31:08.719Speaker 7 (Community Hall): And then to make brief comments on item 10, and ask for a separate vote on item 10.
60101:31:09.710 --> 01:31:12.070
Speaker 4 (Community Hall): Okay, and Councilmember Mohan?
60201:31:13.470 --> 01:31:19.460Speaker 9 (Community Hall): Yeah, I had this… I wanted to make a few comments on the number 7.
60301:31:19.840 --> 01:31:25.970Speaker 9 (Community Hall): So I didn't really want to pull it, as well, so I don't know when… when is the
right time to do that.
60401:31:26.960 --> 01:31:39.280Speaker 4 (Community Hall): Okay, so we're going to open up for public comments on the consent calendar, and then you can make your comments regarding the consent calendar after that, and then we can do a
separate vote on item 7.
605
01:31:42.450 --> 01:31:44.320
Speaker 14 (Community Hall): So, Madam City Clerk, are there any…
60601:31:44.325 --> 01:31:51.135Speaker 11 (Community Hall): I do not have any requests to speak in person, and I currently do not see any hands raised virtually to speak under the consent calendar.
607
01:31:51.140 --> 01:31:51.820
Speaker 14 (Community Hall): Okay.
60801:31:51.825 --> 01:32:03.155Speaker 4 (Community Hall): So do we have a motion to move items 3 through 6, 8, 9, and 10? No, not 10. Sorry, I'm doing that wrong. You want to go 3 through…
609
01:32:03.515 --> 01:32:07.615
Speaker 4 (Community Hall): It's 10 that you want to have separate, so move items 3 through 9.
61001:32:08.215 --> 01:32:09.125Speaker 4 (Community Hall): Correct?
611
01:32:10.270 --> 01:32:18.779
Speaker 8 (Community Hall): Yeah, so moved. But there was a desk item, I think, there was a desk,
modification on some…
61201:32:19.120 --> 01:32:21.859Speaker 8 (Community Hall): Number someone of the items, I think.
613
01:32:22.030 --> 01:32:23.150
Speaker 8 (Community Hall): Was it?
61401:32:23.580 --> 01:32:28.910Speaker 8 (Community Hall): So this function should include Dad, what, what's that? On…
615
01:32:28.910 --> 01:32:34.160
Speaker 5 (Community Hall): Item 7, Vice Mayor? Oh. There is a desk item on item 7, if that's what you're
asking.
61601:32:34.980 --> 01:32:37.480Speaker 5 (Community Hall): And there should be hard copies on here.
617
01:32:37.700 --> 01:32:38.530
Speaker 5 (Community Hall): Nice.
61801:32:38.530 --> 01:32:40.750Speaker 4 (Community Hall): Did this modify item 7?
619
01:32:41.450 --> 01:32:45.580
Speaker 5 (Community Hall): No, we received a clarifying question, so it just answers, so maybe that…
62001:32:45.585 --> 01:32:49.735Speaker 8 (Community Hall): was no modification. Modification was for all the…
621
01:32:49.915 --> 01:32:54.235
Speaker 8 (Community Hall): The housing element consulting one, just…
62201:32:54.240 --> 01:32:56.839Speaker 9 (Community Hall): Okay, so it makes it easier. Oh, the…
62301:32:56.845 --> 01:33:00.674
Speaker 8 (Community Hall): The… the ballot major preparation, item 9.
624
01:33:00.975 --> 01:33:02.965Speaker 8 (Community Hall): I think there was a number…
62501:33:03.120 --> 01:33:14.870Speaker 5 (Community Hall): So, our estimate came back a lot lower than what was included in the staff
report, so the desk item clarifies that we're not asking Council for 475, we're asking for 375.
626
01:33:14.875 --> 01:33:15.615Speaker 9 (Community Hall): ship in the.
62701:33:15.615 --> 01:33:18.525Speaker 8 (Community Hall): Ocean, reflect that.
628
01:33:19.070 --> 01:33:21.640
Speaker 4 (Community Hall): Yes. Yes, it should. Yeah, thank you.
62901:33:22.190 --> 01:33:28.970Speaker 4 (Community Hall): Okay, so are you adjusting your motion? Yeah. Okay, and I'll… I will second that, and…
630
01:33:29.420 --> 01:33:32.810
Speaker 4 (Community Hall): Were there some comments on items 3 through 9?
63101:33:34.520 --> 01:33:47.210
Speaker 7 (Community Hall): Councilmember Fruan? So, item 7 is a flag-raising policy which looks to be
modeled on San Jose's, I'm presuming, so that we can preserve the government speech doctrine with regard to flag-raising.
632
01:33:47.300 --> 01:33:59.389
Speaker 7 (Community Hall): And not open it up as a general free-for-all for speech. That said, we do have
two fairly regular flag raises. One's for the India flag raising ceremony, another one for Pride.
63301:33:59.530 --> 01:34:03.440Speaker 7 (Community Hall): Should we be expecting follow-on resolutions on those?
634
01:34:05.220 --> 01:34:22.249
Speaker 5 (Community Hall): Thank you, Councilmember Fruan. So the… once this policy's in place, which
clarifies that any request for flag raising should come to Council, so if this gets passed tonight, then at the
next meeting, you will see the two flag raisings that are coming up that we normally do for Council to approve.
63501:34:22.250 --> 01:34:25.919Speaker 7 (Community Hall): Okay, alright, so we'll expect that at the next meeting? Yes. Okay, great, thank you.
636
01:34:25.920 --> 01:34:27.580Speaker 4 (Community Hall): And Councilmember Mohan?
63701:34:27.750 --> 01:34:35.300Speaker 9 (Community Hall): So follow-up to that question, is this resolution going to come up year after year, or is…
638
01:34:35.715 --> 01:34:44.574Speaker 5 (Community Hall): The idea, based on the policy, is that any flag-raising request that the city receives, that we will bring it to Council for your consideration and approval.
63901:34:45.450 --> 01:34:47.100Speaker 9 (Community Hall): And, and to,
640
01:34:47.230 --> 01:34:56.520Speaker 9 (Community Hall): question that, Madam Mayor, the Pride flag as well as the India Independence Day flag, that's been going on for years.
64101:34:56.840 --> 01:35:02.380Speaker 9 (Community Hall): And so do we… it seems like a waste of time that it comes before the Council,
and then we…
64201:35:02.720 --> 01:35:03.620Speaker 9 (Community Hall): Oh.
643
01:35:03.960 --> 01:35:06.149Speaker 9 (Community Hall): Approve it or not approve it.
644
01:35:06.420 --> 01:35:08.250
Speaker 9 (Community Hall): Every year, year after year?
64501:35:10.070 --> 01:35:28.179Speaker 5 (Community Hall): Vice Mayor… oh, sorry, not Vice Mayor, Councilmember Mohan, that the policy currently written, if we didn't bring a clarification, doesn't… It makes it really difficult to, approve any… if we were to get any new requests, or any change in requests, so…
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Speaker 5 (Community Hall): For consistency purposes, we thought that this was easiest to just bring every
single request to Council.
64701:35:36.270 --> 01:35:45.059Speaker 4 (Community Hall): It would be, like, at the start of the year, like, at the committee assignments, something like that. Like a ceremony, just to expedite it. There have been other requests, is the issue. Right, so…
648
01:35:45.060 --> 01:35:45.800Speaker 9 (Community Hall): We're…
64901:35:45.805 --> 01:35:47.885Speaker 4 (Community Hall): We're in need of a policy at this point.
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Speaker 9 (Community Hall): Why not do it for the new requests, and keep the old requests as they are?
65101:35:53.290 --> 01:35:56.540Speaker 4 (Community Hall): It could be written up like that, but it would be…
652
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Speaker 4 (Community Hall): You know, it could be 20 years down the road, where having a
65301:36:01.600 --> 01:36:10.690Speaker 4 (Community Hall): a perpetual agreement, it might not be what that council is wanting, and so each year you'll…
654
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Speaker 4 (Community Hall): you'll get to, pass it through. I imagine it would be on consent.
65501:36:16.850 --> 01:36:23.089Speaker 4 (Community Hall): It's… yeah, but we're really just dotting our I's and crossing our T's here. No, I
understand.
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Speaker 9 (Community Hall): but I cannot imagine every… any council saying no to the pride flag, or no to the India independence flag.
65701:36:29.155 --> 01:36:30.105Speaker 9 (Community Hall): C-correct.
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Speaker 4 (Community Hall): Okay. And that, yeah, and that's not really the purpose of this, item. It's because we're missing a policy, and we really need to have one in place, so that should we have other requests, that we have a clean policy.
65901:36:44.050 --> 01:36:45.329
Speaker 4 (Community Hall): Okay, moving forward.
660
01:36:45.990 --> 01:36:49.510Speaker 4 (Community Hall): Thank you. Vice Mayor, yeah.
66101:36:49.515 --> 01:36:59.284Speaker 8 (Community Hall): We envision, likely, there will be a consent item in the beginning of the year
that we approve all the flag raising requests for that year.
662
01:37:00.110 --> 01:37:04.509Speaker 5 (Community Hall): Yes, unless there is a new request that comes in during the year.
66301:37:04.515 --> 01:37:12.074Speaker 8 (Community Hall): They don't require any staffing time, or would we be approving staffing cost?
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Speaker 8 (Community Hall): involved with those during budget time, then we… should we be approving that with the budget?
66501:37:20.310 --> 01:37:22.630Speaker 5 (Community Hall): That's a good question.
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Speaker 5 (Community Hall): Some of them do require some staff time, but I think that's what Councilmember Mohan was mentioning, like, there's two that are built around events that we do every year, so if we're adding new ones, there's… there's going to be some staff time and resources required, and we'll bring that forward to Council, and I'll bring some estimates on what that might.
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Speaker 8 (Community Hall): When you bring that to the council, you can also have information about the
staffing cost.
66801:37:47.615 --> 01:37:57.015Speaker 5 (Community Hall): Yeah, I'm hoping to put those on consent, but the staff report will include information, and then Council can have a discussion if needed. Great, thank you.
669
01:37:57.830 --> 01:38:04.189Speaker 4 (Community Hall): All right, Madam City Clerk, will you please reset the panel and conduct a vote for items 3 through 9?
67001:38:04.195 --> 01:38:07.455Speaker 11 (Community Hall): Sorry, was there a second? I have, Chao moved.
671
01:38:07.555 --> 01:38:09.005Speaker 11 (Community Hall): Thank you, Mayor.
67201:38:09.125 --> 01:38:16.194Speaker 11 (Community Hall): Move to approve the consent calendars items 3… 3 through 9, with… to include the amendments to item number 9 per the desk item.
673
01:38:16.195 --> 01:38:19.605Speaker 4 (Community Hall): Okay, and I just want to reiterate that I second this.
67401:38:19.765 --> 01:38:21.315Speaker 4 (Community Hall): Item, okay. Thank you.
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Speaker 11 (Community Hall): Okay, the votes are ready.
67601:38:28.750 --> 01:38:31.370Speaker 11 (Community Hall): Okay, the motion carries with Wong absent.
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Speaker 4 (Community Hall): Okay, next is item 10. I'll move item 10. Do I have a second?
67801:38:40.100 --> 01:38:41.430Speaker 8 (Community Hall): I'll second.
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Speaker 4 (Community Hall): Thank you, and Councilmember Fruen, you wanted to have this as a separate
vote. Would you care to speak to that item? Yes, thank you.
68001:38:48.185 --> 01:39:02.275Speaker 7 (Community Hall): Thank you very much. I appreciate the effort at collaborating with Mayor Turner on the matter. I am really concerned that asking for a total pause on all housing-related legislation
681
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Speaker 7 (Community Hall): Is not going to be taken as seriously as it should be, perhaps, by the legislature.
68201:39:07.625 --> 01:39:20.914Speaker 7 (Community Hall): And in particular by Speaker Rivas. I think it also deprives us of the opportunity
of asking for actual reforms that I think would be helpful. There are some opportunities for amending the
density bonus law and allowing cities the opportunity to turn it off.
68301:39:21.045 --> 01:39:29.575Speaker 7 (Community Hall): Which I think is very useful. I think there's also some very good legislation that's currently in the works to amend existing,
684
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Speaker 7 (Community Hall): construction defect liability that is a major impediment to the construction of
condos, which are basically starter homes. I don't think that's really aligned with our legislative platform, and
so I can't support this in its current form. I like the other things that it's asking for, but not that particular ask.
68501:39:48.455 --> 01:39:53.035Speaker 4 (Community Hall): Okay, thank you. I do want to point out that there is a,
686
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Speaker 4 (Community Hall): There is a bill going through
68701:39:55.825 --> 01:40:00.695Speaker 4 (Community Hall): Discussing townhomes this year, and it looks…
688
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Speaker 4 (Community Hall): at first glance, as though, if you have a townhome project, you could have it
ministerially approved.
68901:40:08.175 --> 01:40:24.805Speaker 4 (Community Hall): And which is a little concerning, considering the last townhome project that we had, but I would appreciate if you did have, something that you could add to modify, the letter that Mayor Turner wrote,
690
01:40:24.805 --> 01:40:38.265Speaker 4 (Community Hall): that you think that would be more effective and it would be received, better, I'd appreciate that if there was a way to negotiate some sentences to this letter.
69101:40:38.580 --> 01:40:44.680Speaker 7 (Community Hall): How soon would you need that? Because I'd be happy to brown act with you
on it, and get you language.
69201:40:44.850 --> 01:40:46.109Speaker 7 (Community Hall): Perhaps for the next meeting?
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Speaker 7 (Community Hall): I think.
69401:40:46.925 --> 01:40:51.265Speaker 4 (Community Hall): That could work. Madam City Manager and the City Attorney, what do you think?
695
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Speaker 8 (Community Hall): I think that can work. Okay. Great.
69601:40:55.050 --> 01:40:56.340Speaker 8 (Community Hall): Yeah, I…
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Speaker 8 (Community Hall): I kind of agree, I like the sentiment of the letter, but there are aggressive
housing laws that still need to be fixed. So, I suppose we can write our own letter with the same sentiment,
but not exactly the same language. So…
69801:41:14.910 --> 01:41:16.590Speaker 8 (Community Hall): So are we…
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01:41:17.330 --> 01:41:26.929
Speaker 8 (Community Hall): Are we pulling the item, or are we… can we just make a motion to authorize
the mayor and the Councilmember Fluent to,
70001:41:27.340 --> 01:41:28.340Speaker 8 (Community Hall): Whoa, whoa.
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Speaker 9 (Community Hall): I'm a letter.
70201:41:29.210 --> 01:41:37.340Speaker 4 (Community Hall): provide a modified, letter with some suggestions, rather than a flat-out, kind of moratorium. So are we bringing.
703
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Speaker 8 (Community Hall): it back.
70401:41:39.250 --> 01:41:40.770Speaker 4 (Community Hall): I think we can…
70501:41:41.730 --> 01:41:46.100Speaker 5 (Community Hall): You can place it on consent at the next meeting. Okay.
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Speaker 4 (Community Hall): Okay. Okay, let's do that, and I had one quick.
70701:41:49.900 --> 01:42:03.619Speaker 9 (Community Hall): comment? Sure, Mayor. It would be, good if we could have other mayors, supporting, this, this, letter. Right now, it's Mr. Turner, Mayor Turner, and maybe you.
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Speaker 9 (Community Hall): It would be good if you could go through the Cities Association, or the League
of California Cities, or add some heft to the letter by adding some more names.
70901:42:13.875 --> 01:42:21.905Speaker 4 (Community Hall): Okay, and the… so we're kind of forming an ad hoc subcommittee, which can look into that, you know, how to best position this.
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Speaker 5 (Community Hall): Yeah, and I can confirm through the mayor, from our understanding, Mayor Turner did share it with other mayors as well in Santa Clara County.
71101:42:32.140 --> 01:42:32.600Speaker 5 (Community Hall): And…
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Speaker 9 (Community Hall): they agree.
71301:42:34.000 --> 01:42:37.809Speaker 5 (Community Hall): I… I don't know, but this letter has been… this request has been shared with us.
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Speaker 4 (Community Hall): It's very soon, so we just got it last week and got it placed on our agenda. Yes.
71501:42:45.095 --> 01:43:03.845Speaker 8 (Community Hall): So, so I think Turner is on the board of Cities Association, so likely he will be sharing with cities through that, at least, then hopefully he can even go beyond the Cities Association. That, maybe the subcommittee can discuss.
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01:43:03.850 --> 01:43:23.410Speaker 4 (Community Hall): Very well. So the motion would be that, the ad hoc subcommittee of, the mayor and Councilmember Fruen will be preparing a modified letter and bring it back to, the Council that we're gonna try to target on the April 21st. Okay.
71701:43:23.645 --> 01:43:30.075Speaker 8 (Community Hall): Maybe it could discuss, strategies for… to improve the impact of the latter.
718
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Speaker 4 (Community Hall): And include some strategies for… to increase the impact of the letter. Do I
have a second?
71901:43:37.480 --> 01:43:40.149Speaker 9 (Community Hall): I'll second. Okay, thank you.
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Speaker 4 (Community Hall): Madam City Clerk, will you please clear the panel and set us up for the vote?
72101:44:05.600 --> 01:44:07.480Speaker 11 (Community Hall): The motion carries with Wong absent.
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Speaker 14 (Community Hall): Okay.
72301:44:09.290 --> 01:44:23.659Speaker 4 (Community Hall): Thank you. So, we would be heading into a public hearing. I suggest we take a 5-minute break, since I might take a bit of time. So, we'll head back at 7.36.
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Speaker 4 (Community Hall): Thank you.
72501:51:21.460 --> 01:51:26.709Speaker 4 (Community Hall): at the Voyager Panera Stevens Creek Office Center site.
72601:51:26.800 --> 01:51:44.370
Speaker 4 (Community Hall): Are there any ex parte communications the council members need to identify?
I can say that I met with a developer several months ago. It's been so long, I can't actually recall when, but
it was a long time ago. Any other council members have any ex parte communications to identify?
72701:51:45.010 --> 01:51:52.409Speaker 4 (Community Hall): Councilmember Mohan, followed by Councilmember Chao, and… I mean, Vice Mayor Chao and Councilmember Fruen.
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Speaker 9 (Community Hall): Yes, I have met with the developers, and I met with them first time about a
year ago, I think, and most recently in the last week.
72901:52:02.330 --> 01:52:04.260
Speaker 4 (Community Hall): followed by Vice Mayor?
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Speaker 8 (Community Hall): Me too, twice, more recently this week, yeah. Okay.
73101:52:08.075 --> 01:52:08.765Speaker 4 (Community Hall): Councilmember Fran.
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Speaker 7 (Community Hall): And I have also met with the applicant.
73301:52:11.790 --> 01:52:34.200Speaker 4 (Community Hall): Okay, thank you. The hearing process is going to begin with a staff report, which will be followed by Council clarifying questions, then the developer's report up to 8 minutes, followed by Council clarifying questions of either report, and then we're going to open up for public comment. The
applicant may respond to the public comment for 2 minutes, then the public hearing will be closed. So, begin
with, Madam City Manager, do we have a staff report?
73401:52:35.650 --> 01:52:37.130Speaker 5 (Community Hall): Thank you, Mayor.
73501:52:37.450 --> 01:52:41.049
Speaker 5 (Community Hall): We do have a presentation and staff report.
736
01:52:41.050 --> 01:52:58.159Speaker 5 (Community Hall): There also is a desk item, with some clarifying answers for the questions we've received. So, the Council is being requested to review permits to develop a 122-unit townhomes and single-family development on four contiguous lots located between Whole Foods and the Safeway station.
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Speaker 5 (Community Hall): The proposed development's utilizing several provisions of various state laws to
expedite housing development, including density bonus state bill 330 and AB130.
73801:53:10.020 --> 01:53:24.890Speaker 5 (Community Hall): We have, like I said, received questions from Council members related to existing retail uses on the site, Panera Bread and Voyager Coffee. City staff has worked diligently on this project, and we are in communication with both businesses
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Speaker 5 (Community Hall): And also the property owner. We've, there's supplemental and there's also a desk item. And presenting the project tonight will be Senior Planner Shelby Maples.
74001:53:34.210 --> 01:53:47.830Speaker 5 (Community Hall): And, with her answering questions will be Assistant Director of Community Development, Luke Connolly. Shelby is one of our new planners for the Community Development
Department, and this is her first presentation at City Council, so I will turn it over to her.
74101:53:48.890 --> 01:53:50.230Speaker 5 (Community Hall): Thank you very much.
742
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Speaker 5 (Community Hall): Good evening, Mayor Moore and City Council.
74301:53:52.435 --> 01:53:59.575Speaker 20 (Community Hall): Council members, my name is Shelby Maples, planning staff, and I have a presentation for you on a housing development project.
744
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Speaker 21 (Community Hall): As we mentioned, this project is located on 4 parcels along Stevens Creek,
west of Sage Way. It's in the heart of the City-specific plan area in the Crossroads sub-area.
74501:54:10.700 --> 01:54:20.899Speaker 21 (Community Hall): There's a Stageway Station Retail and Target, as well as a daycare to the east, Whole Foods and Abundant Life Church to the west, and Residential Uses and the YMCA to the north.
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Speaker 21 (Community Hall): At the time of the preliminary application, the zoning designation of the site was Plan Development, Commercial, and Residential. So that's the zoning designation applicable to the proposed project.
74701:54:32.070 --> 01:54:51.929Speaker 21 (Community Hall): The project includes 66 for-sale single-family homes, 56 for-sale townhomes,
for a total of 122 units, as well as removal of 249 trees. A use permit, architectural site approval, tentative
map, and tree removal entitlements have been evaluated to support the project request.
74801:54:57.750 --> 01:55:15.709Speaker 21 (Community Hall): For a little bit of background on the project, the site is currently occupied by the Stevens Creek Office Center, as well as Voyager Coffee and Panera. The project submitted a SB330 application, preliminary application, on April 1st, 2024, with a formal application following in September of that year.
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Speaker 21 (Community Hall): For some context, the housing element was adopted in May of 2024, where one of the project parcels was identified as Priority Housing Site 9. The SB330 application was submitted prior to adoption of the housing element, locking in that PCG red zoning and lower densities that are currently proposed by the project.
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Speaker 21 (Community Hall): As we've seen with the other applications brought before the city, there are
several state laws which apply and are utilized by the project. First of all, there's the Housing Accountability
Act, which prohibits cities from disproving or adding conditions that would render a project infeasible, or reduce density except specific circumstances.
751
01:55:54.180 --> 01:56:06.400Speaker 21 (Community Hall): Then we have SB330, or the Housing Crisis Act. This streamlines housing permit processing and allows applicants to vest or lock in their fees and standards that were in effect at the time of their preliminary application.
752
01:56:07.060 --> 01:56:24.790
Speaker 21 (Community Hall): Density bonus law, while it does allow projects to have additional units, that's not the case for this particular project, though it does enable them to use waivers and concessions based on the amount and type of affordable housing proposed. The project requests 12 waivers and 1 concession to support their project.
75301:56:25.470 --> 01:56:33.430
Speaker 21 (Community Hall): Finally, we have no net loss. The City is required to maintain an inventory of
sites by income category consistent with RHNA.
75401:56:33.570 --> 01:56:46.200Speaker 21 (Community Hall): This site will not provide the number of units anticipated on Priority Housing Site 9 in the housing element, as the project came in before the housing element was adopted, and it has lower density limits than the current designation.
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Speaker 21 (Community Hall): Here's a brief overview of the project development standards, and
highlighting some of the waiver standards. They're primarily reducing setbacks in the heart of the city.
75601:57:02.220 --> 01:57:14.270Speaker 21 (Community Hall): So, as we've covered some of the project details, 122 units, 66 single-family homes, and 56 townhomes, all… including all of the 24 below-market rate, or BMR, units.
757
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Speaker 21 (Community Hall): All buildings in the project are 3 stories, with 33 of the units having additional access to rooftop decks.
75801:57:22.670 --> 01:57:30.629Speaker 21 (Community Hall): The living area for the units ranges from 1,380 square feet to 2,329 square
feet.
759
01:57:31.480 --> 01:57:34.789Speaker 21 (Community Hall): The project does require a use permit due to the vested zoning.
76001:57:35.330 --> 01:57:45.580Speaker 21 (Community Hall): The project also includes that tree removal permit for the removal of 249
trees. There are 151 trees that will be replaced on site, with the remainder covered by a new fee.
761
01:57:46.480 --> 01:57:50.919Speaker 21 (Community Hall): And then the project also includes a vesting tentative map for condominium purposes.
76201:57:53.350 --> 01:58:05.420Speaker 21 (Community Hall): So here is the site plan showing the layout of the project. As you can see, the townhomes in the orange and green, those are oriented towards Stevens Creek, with the single-family homes back towards Alves.
763
01:58:05.970 --> 01:58:13.080Speaker 21 (Community Hall): The BMR units are shown here with the red dots. All 24 of them are located in the townhome portion of the project.
76401:58:13.430 --> 01:58:18.959Speaker 21 (Community Hall): The units include two-car garages, and there are an additional 28 parking
spaces throughout the project area.
76501:58:19.430 --> 01:58:27.650Speaker 21 (Community Hall): Private open space for the project includes side yards for single-family homes, patios, and a common open space green, which will also include public art.
76601:58:28.850 --> 01:58:30.940
Speaker 21 (Community Hall): And here's a rendering of the project.
76701:58:34.780 --> 01:58:41.520Speaker 21 (Community Hall): As far as the project consistency, the project was found to be largely consistent with the objective standards of the general plan.
76801:58:41.610 --> 01:58:57.649
Speaker 21 (Community Hall): Below Market Rate Housing Mitigation Manual and the Municipal Code. As I
mentioned, it has the concession and 12 density bonus waivers, and I wanted to note that concessions and
waivers can only be denied under specific circumstances, including significant negative impacts.
76901:58:57.650 --> 01:59:03.480Speaker 21 (Community Hall): to Historic Property Health and Safety. And then we will go through the waivers in the following slides.
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Speaker 21 (Community Hall): First, there is the waiver of the height limitation in the heart of the City-
specific plan for residential uses is 45 feet. If this were enforced, 35 units would be impacted. I wanted to note, I highlighted here the tallest of the homes, which is Building 17, one of the single-family homes.
77101:59:24.390 --> 01:59:37.019Speaker 21 (Community Hall): The heart of the city setback is measured from the sidewalk, so while it
comes out to be about 50 feet, 50.1 feet, the height of the structure itself is 45 feet and 8 inches.
772
01:59:40.530 --> 01:59:49.960Speaker 21 (Community Hall): The project is also requesting waivers from several setbacks, including the front side and rear, as well as the side deck and rear deck setbacks, as well as eaves.
77301:59:52.800 --> 02:00:04.159Speaker 21 (Community Hall): Additional waivers are requested for lot coverage, lot width, and building forms. Building forms speaks to massing of the buildings adjacent to existing residential uses, and would ordinarily require the buildings to be stepped back.
774
02:00:07.820 --> 02:00:25.669Speaker 21 (Community Hall): And then there are two additional waivers related to parking, including the construction of four garages that are within the side setback to residential uses, and then also regarding the parking stall size, as that pertains to the dimensions for garages, and the project includes 28 tandem garages.
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Speaker 21 (Community Hall): The project includes public art, which will be located in the central grain and
ultimately reviewed by the Arts and Culture Commission after project approval.
77602:00:36.770 --> 02:00:48.310Speaker 21 (Community Hall): The project is also subject to parkland dedication requirements. However, given the size of the project, they're proposing the payment of in-lieu fees, which will be consistent with the Quimby Act requirements.
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Speaker 21 (Community Hall): The project concession is regarding BMR requirements. So, per the BMR manual, 24.4 BMR units are required. The project will be constructing 12 moderate and 12 medium income units, with an in-lieu fee for .4 fractional units.
77802:01:08.060 --> 02:01:21.790
Speaker 21 (Community Hall): The concession comes in for the size and dispersion of the units, so the units
proposed BMR are 3-bedroom units, and they're all located within the townhome portion of the project, not
in the single-family homes.
77902:01:24.460 --> 02:01:39.609Speaker 21 (Community Hall): On March 24th, the Planning Commission provided a recommendation on the project. Planning Commission recommended approval of the project at a 5-0 vote. The motion on the project also included a recommendation that the
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Speaker 21 (Community Hall): City Council, explore additional measures for assisting retail businesses.
78102:01:45.400 --> 02:01:57.100Speaker 21 (Community Hall): And possible additional benefits or help with relocation. So there's a summary of the Planning Commission hearing in the staff report, but some of the major items discussed include the loss of retail.
782
02:01:57.100 --> 02:02:09.199Speaker 21 (Community Hall): And some retail outreach, the number and types of waivers and concessions, as well as discussions on tree removals and replanting. There were 6 speakers, including the adjacent
property owners and retail tenants.
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02:02:12.640 --> 02:02:22.089
Speaker 21 (Community Hall): As far as the California Environmental Quality Act, the project requested an evaluation for a statutory exemptions subject to AB130.
78402:02:22.150 --> 02:02:39.719Speaker 21 (Community Hall): The AB130 exemption memorandum is attached to the staff report, and
include a review of the Phase 1 Environmental Site Assessment, and as well as a qualification for the
exemption. Placeworks is available if you have additional questions on that exemption.
78502:02:42.800 --> 02:02:51.349Speaker 21 (Community Hall): Noticing for the project included a site-signed legal ad in the newspaper and mailed notices within 500 feet. Oop.
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Speaker 21 (Community Hall): Summary of some of the discussion at Planning Commission. There were 6
speakers at Planning Commission. There were several letters which are included with your packet. Some
letters in support of the project as it provides additional housing.
78702:03:05.620 --> 02:03:21.700Speaker 21 (Community Hall): There's additional letters that are in opposition to the project, primarily due to the loss of retail. Staff also received a letter from the adjacent property owner regarding a private easement. It was determined at Planning Commission this was outside the scope of the project.
788
02:03:21.760 --> 02:03:30.359Speaker 21 (Community Hall): Some… a couple of additional letters were received in the last couple days as well, some in support, and some with concerns about construction.
78902:03:32.680 --> 02:03:46.470Speaker 21 (Community Hall): I also wanted to touch on one of the other topics that came up. There was
additional, questions about outreach to retail tenants on behalf of the city. So, in the City Council report,
there's a discussion of that item.
79002:03:46.470 --> 02:03:59.540Speaker 21 (Community Hall): Cupertino City staff has had cold conversations, as well as letters, phone calls, and emails with the retail tenants, and is currently assisting with identifying potential places to go within the city.
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Speaker 21 (Community Hall): With that, the Planning Commission recommended that the City Council take
the actions listed here on your slide and in the staff report. I'm available for any questions. Thank you very much.
79202:04:15.010 --> 02:04:22.770Speaker 4 (Community Hall): Thank you, Shelby, and do we have any clarifying questions from the Council
at this time, before we go to the applicant report?
79302:04:25.260 --> 02:04:29.340Speaker 4 (Community Hall): Councilmember Mohan, followed by Councilmember Fruen.
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Speaker 9 (Community Hall): I thank you for the presentation, and welcome to the city.
79502:04:34.750 --> 02:04:42.090Speaker 9 (Community Hall): I had a question, I think it was the second last slide, where you talked about the private easement.
796
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Speaker 9 (Community Hall): Could you clarify what the discussion on that was?
79702:04:47.290 --> 02:04:48.390Speaker 9 (Community Hall): Why is that?
798
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Speaker 9 (Community Hall): Why has that suddenly come up?
79902:04:51.855 --> 02:04:59.125Speaker 21 (Community Hall): So, the, we received a letter the day of the Planning Commission hearing from the adjacent, property management.
800
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Speaker 21 (Community Hall): There's a private access easement that's existing and will be maintained as
part of the project. While they have… are having separate discussions about whether or not they need to
amend the easement, it's not affected by the proposed development.
80102:05:13.785 --> 02:05:19.595Speaker 21 (Community Hall): So it was determined that it… the conversation was between two private parties, and not necessarily relevant to the project.
802
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Speaker 9 (Community Hall): Could you show that slide again, so we know exactly what you're talking about?
80302:05:24.855 --> 02:05:26.204Speaker 21 (Community Hall): I don't believe I…
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Speaker 9 (Community Hall): Second last one.
80502:05:27.915 --> 02:05:29.275
Speaker 9 (Community Hall): Last slide.
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Speaker 9 (Community Hall): Or at least that's where it talked about the privatizement.
80702:05:33.125 --> 02:05:33.805Speaker 9 (Community Hall): Sure.
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Speaker 21 (Community Hall): So I just included a note because there was discussion on it, but yeah, it was
ultimately determined not to be within the scope of the project.
80902:05:44.480 --> 02:05:46.420Speaker 21 (Community Hall): Okay, so it's not within the…
810
02:05:46.830 --> 02:06:01.149
Speaker 21 (Community Hall): property site? There is a portion of the existing driveway that is on the project
site. It will be walled off by the proposed development, the driveway. So, right now, it serves both commercial sites.
81102:06:01.150 --> 02:06:08.469Speaker 21 (Community Hall): the existing Sacreds Creek Office Center, and then as well as Sageway
Station, but that driveway will be separated from the residential development.
812
02:06:09.810 --> 02:06:15.569Speaker 6 (Community Hall): If I could add, it doesn't affect any access, and there were other issues, I think, that
81302:06:16.020 --> 02:06:22.130
Speaker 6 (Community Hall): When the developments were both commercial developments, they shared
things such as recycling and trash pickup.
81402:06:22.130 --> 02:06:27.880Speaker 22 (Community Hall): at a central location, which, now that this is going to be an independent development where you have a wall.
815
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Speaker 22 (Community Hall): separating it, which does not affect the drive aisle. You still have complete
access to both sites.
81602:06:34.120 --> 02:06:40.440Speaker 22 (Community Hall): But conditions like that, where this is gonna have its own trash and recycling pickup for each unit, within.
817
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Speaker 22 (Community Hall): those really are not of issue. It's not affecting either site anymore. I think the
original easement agreement was intended so when you have commercial properties.
81802:06:52.140 --> 02:06:59.460Speaker 22 (Community Hall): you had some flow between the sites, so traffic wouldn't have to then, say,
circulate back out onto Stevens Creek to go from one to the other.
81902:06:59.600 --> 02:07:04.499Speaker 22 (Community Hall): Or for the instance of things like trash and recycling pickup, so you had a central location. Okay.
82002:07:04.505 --> 02:07:10.005
Speaker 9 (Community Hall): So I'm assuming you're talking about the retail on the, sort of, east side of
the… Yes, correct.
82102:07:10.005 --> 02:07:12.335Speaker 22 (Community Hall): site just east of here. Yeah, thank you.
82202:07:13.630 --> 02:07:15.179
Speaker 4 (Community Hall): Great, Councilmember Fruen?
82302:07:16.040 --> 02:07:23.429Speaker 7 (Community Hall): So you mentioned that there have been ongoing communications between the city and the retail tenants, and I'm just curious as to
82402:07:23.550 --> 02:07:32.770
Speaker 7 (Community Hall): where those communications sit? Are we looking at, particular sites for where
they might be relocated to? How far along are we in this process?
82502:07:34.920 --> 02:07:39.409Speaker 5 (Community Hall): If I can have the Economic Development Manager, Daniel, take that question?
82602:07:43.740 --> 02:07:57.420
Speaker 10 (Community Hall): Thank you, Councilmember, for the question. Daniel DeGu. Yes, we have
been in touch with various property owners here at the City about available spaces that may be online at the
current moment, or in the near future. About spaces, we're also.
82702:07:57.420 --> 02:08:03.379Speaker 23 (Community Hall): Communicating with their prospective businesses as well to understand their needs and make those connections where appropriate.
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Speaker 4 (Community Hall): Thank you. Okay, Vice Mayor?
82902:08:10.780 --> 02:08:11.410
Speaker 8 (Community Hall): Yep.
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Speaker 8 (Community Hall): So, so I…
83102:08:18.220 --> 02:08:28.029Speaker 8 (Community Hall): So, can you clarify? I think the… the property is at the joint… is neighboring only one single-family home, right, on the north.
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Speaker 8 (Community Hall): West corner.
83302:08:29.960 --> 02:08:36.949Speaker 8 (Community Hall): So, could you, clarify exactly what's the setback from that single-family home?
834
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Speaker 21 (Community Hall): I believe the setbacks…
83502:08:58.950 --> 02:09:07.089Speaker 21 (Community Hall): So, the required, The required side setback is, like, approximately…
836
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Speaker 21 (Community Hall): 25 feet, and they're about 10 feet from the property line, is what I'm seeing.
83702:09:22.670 --> 02:09:28.960Speaker 8 (Community Hall): Okay, so… So it's reduced from 20 feet to about 10 feet.
83802:09:29.100 --> 02:09:31.580
Speaker 8 (Community Hall): I believe so, but I can confirm.
83902:09:35.080 --> 02:09:40.209Speaker 8 (Community Hall): Have we, gotten any communication from that neighbor?
84002:09:41.990 --> 02:09:43.309Speaker 8 (Community Hall): I don't believe so.
841
02:09:43.330 --> 02:10:01.149Speaker 8 (Community Hall): Okay, good to know. So, I'm a little confused. In the very beginning of the presentation, you seemed to say there were four waivers and one concession, but then later on, there were many other waivers.
84202:10:01.150 --> 02:10:09.119
Speaker 8 (Community Hall): For parking, for interior, so how many waivers are there in total? There's a
total of 12 waivers for that. 12 waivers, okay.
84302:10:09.520 --> 02:10:13.379Speaker 8 (Community Hall): And then we are required to provide to, to…
844
02:10:13.800 --> 02:10:16.279
Speaker 8 (Community Hall): To just allow those waivers, right?
84502:10:16.580 --> 02:10:22.440Speaker 21 (Community Hall): they are entitled to an unlimited number of waivers. Yeah. Okay.
846
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Speaker 8 (Community Hall): Thank you.
84702:10:24.350 --> 02:10:30.109Speaker 8 (Community Hall): Oh, there was a question from a member from the email about the truck route.
84802:10:30.330 --> 02:10:36.560
Speaker 8 (Community Hall): So, are… is there a request to use Elvis as truck route?
849
02:10:37.200 --> 02:10:50.510Speaker 21 (Community Hall): So, following that note, we checked the preliminary construction plan that was provided with the project. There is no current haul route identified on that plan, as that's typically done later in the process.
850
02:10:50.530 --> 02:11:01.780
Speaker 21 (Community Hall): So, the typical process was that will happen with either the first building
permit or grading permit. That could include demolition, so that's when those plans are reviewed by city
staff.
85102:11:01.785 --> 02:11:13.875Speaker 8 (Community Hall): So right now, Elvis… Elves is not a truck route. Stevens Creek is a truck route, but in case there is a need to use Elvis, they will…
852
02:11:14.465 --> 02:11:17.365
Speaker 8 (Community Hall): make a separate request later. No trunk request.
85302:11:17.365 --> 02:11:19.265Speaker 21 (Community Hall): identified with the crew.
854
02:11:19.265 --> 02:11:20.735
Speaker 8 (Community Hall): proposal. Okay.
85502:11:20.975 --> 02:11:21.844Speaker 8 (Community Hall): Thank you.
85602:11:23.970 --> 02:11:32.410Speaker 4 (Community Hall): Okay, I'm not seeing any further clarifying questions. Next, we'll move on to the applicant report, and the applicant's allotted 8 minutes.
857
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Speaker 5 (Community Hall): Thank you, Mayor. I will call on Harvest Properties now to present.
85802:11:53.360 --> 02:11:55.469Speaker 5 (Community Hall): Oh, you do? Yeah. Okay, right?
859
02:11:55.910 --> 02:12:00.660
Speaker 5 (Community Hall): Good evening, Mayor Moore, Vice Mayor Chao, Councilmembers, members of
the public.
86002:12:01.050 --> 02:12:04.320Speaker 24 (Community Hall): I'm Kevin Choi with Harvest Properties, representing ownership today.
861
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Speaker 24 (Community Hall): I'd like to first, thank staff, and particularly Shelby, for their presentation and
work on this project. They have been extremely helpful, and frankly, a phone call away, if we ever had any questions throughout this entire process.
86202:12:18.740 --> 02:12:22.949Speaker 24 (Community Hall): And today, I'm excited to present and introduce our vision for the canopies.
863
02:12:25.240 --> 02:12:37.220
Speaker 24 (Community Hall): Tonight, I'll briefly walk you through our project team, the site location, our community engagement process, and the core benefits of the housing project that this project brings to Cupertino.
86402:12:37.720 --> 02:12:43.350Speaker 24 (Community Hall): Then, I'll hand it on over to our architect to dive into site design, landscaping,
and architecture.
86502:12:46.490 --> 02:12:49.720Speaker 24 (Community Hall): Before we jump in, I want to quickly introduce our project team.
86602:12:50.000 --> 02:12:52.889Speaker 24 (Community Hall): Again, my name is Kevin Choi, representing ownership.
867
02:12:53.070 --> 02:12:59.259Speaker 24 (Community Hall): With me today is the property owner, Blair Volkman, whose family has been stewards of the site for over 40 years.
868
02:12:59.790 --> 02:13:09.490Speaker 24 (Community Hall): We also have our lead design and engineering partners, David Burton from KTGY Architecture, Eric Gellerman from Gates Studio, and Terry Reeves and Nigina Iyard from CBNG.
869
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Speaker 24 (Community Hall): Go ahead.
87002:13:13.870 --> 02:13:20.769Speaker 24 (Community Hall): Looking at the project location, the 6.8-acre site is currently improved with older office buildings and retail buildings.
871
02:13:21.400 --> 02:13:22.340
Speaker 24 (Community Hall): Go next.
87202:13:23.050 --> 02:13:39.010Speaker 24 (Community Hall): I want to explicitly clarify, especially in regards to certain public comments that we have received, that our project footprint does not include the daycare facility at the corner of Alice and Sage, nor does it include the newly constructed retail shops along Sage Way.
873
02:13:39.670 --> 02:13:46.139
Speaker 24 (Community Hall): As was mentioned in the Planning Commission hearing, we do have a private agreement with our Sageway neighbor.
87402:13:46.340 --> 02:13:52.829Speaker 24 (Community Hall): But the project as designed, does not require a modification to that agreement, tonight.
875
02:13:53.400 --> 02:14:02.239Speaker 24 (Community Hall): That said, in an effort to be a good neighbor, we have continued to have conversations with that group in an effort to make some modifications to that REA.
87602:14:03.490 --> 02:14:20.459Speaker 24 (Community Hall): As you will hear later, our project includes for-sale residential units, and these
future homeowners will have ample access to schools and retail amenities, including Garden Gate
Elementary, Sam Lawson Middle School, Whole Foods, Target, and a wide variety of other retail
opportunities in Cupertino.
87702:14:22.980 --> 02:14:27.390Speaker 24 (Community Hall): Getting to the proposed site plan before you tonight has been a comprehensive journey.
878
02:14:27.870 --> 02:14:37.949
Speaker 24 (Community Hall): Since submitting our initial SB330 application in April of 2024, we have had
significant community engagement throughout 2024 and 2025.
879
02:14:38.360 --> 02:14:50.039
Speaker 24 (Community Hall): We listened closely to feedback, which led to our team spending several months, from March through July of 2025, deeply investigating a design alternative that would have preserved the retail on site.
880
02:14:50.680 --> 02:15:00.620
Speaker 24 (Community Hall): Unfortunately, due to determination that the project would have to resubmit
and lose its SB330 vesting, that option ultimately proved infeasible.
88102:15:02.830 --> 02:15:05.640Speaker 24 (Community Hall): That brings us to what we have heard from the community.
882
02:15:06.160 --> 02:15:14.589
Speaker 24 (Community Hall): While we couldn't preserve the retail buildings, ownership is committed to
working with Panera and Voyager Coffee to assist them in finding a new home in Cupertino.
88302:15:15.660 --> 02:15:23.350Speaker 24 (Community Hall): And because actions speak louder than words, our team has been engaging with Voyager Coffee, and have come to an agreement with them to assist them in finding a new location.
884
02:15:24.510 --> 02:15:28.080
Speaker 24 (Community Hall): We've also heard how much the community values the urban forest.
88502:15:28.530 --> 02:15:36.289Speaker 24 (Community Hall): We worked closely with city staff, and are proudly preserving 6 pear trees along Stevens Creek Boulevard, and we're going to be planting 4 additional ones.
886
02:15:36.610 --> 02:15:44.190
Speaker 24 (Community Hall): And in addition to the response that we heard from Planning Commission, we'll be happy to look and see if we can fit in a couple more.
88702:15:46.710 --> 02:15:48.470Speaker 24 (Community Hall): Rather than,
888
02:15:48.660 --> 02:15:57.189
Speaker 24 (Community Hall): Sorry, regarding the site's interior, current high volume of the trees, is solely due to severe overplanting in the areas, too small for mature growth.
88902:15:57.240 --> 02:16:09.099Speaker 24 (Community Hall): And so, rather than repeat, past mistakes, we are only going to be planting 65 new, large trees and right-sized courtyards to ensure a sustainable and a healthy canopy for the long
term.
89002:16:10.340 --> 02:16:11.250Speaker 24 (Community Hall): Connected.
891
02:16:12.700 --> 02:16:16.400Speaker 24 (Community Hall): I want to highlight the unique opportunity that we have here.
892
02:16:16.940 --> 02:16:24.369
Speaker 24 (Community Hall): For-sale homes have been severely underproduced in this region for the last
decade, with development heavily skewed towards rentals.
89302:16:24.970 --> 02:16:28.910Speaker 24 (Community Hall): This project helps meet that missing supply for home ownership.
894
02:16:29.070 --> 02:16:33.929
Speaker 24 (Community Hall): Providing a place for families to put down roots, or for empty nesters to
downsize.
89502:16:34.440 --> 02:16:40.630Speaker 24 (Community Hall): This opportunity exists because the 40-plus-year-old commercial buildings are at the end of their useful life. Apple?
896
02:16:40.860 --> 02:16:48.879
Speaker 24 (Community Hall): Who occupies 65% of the site, has notified us that they are vacating, and the
demand for office like this has fundamentally changed.
89702:16:49.549 --> 02:16:59.200Speaker 24 (Community Hall): To deliver this much-needed housing, we are utilizing the state density bonus law while still maintaining a relatively low density development in comparison to other projects.
898
02:16:59.780 --> 02:17:06.290
Speaker 24 (Community Hall): To make our affordable housing units physically and financially feasible, we are requesting a concession and multiple waivers.
89902:17:06.990 --> 02:17:19.209Speaker 24 (Community Hall): These waivers, which include deviations for height, lock coverage, setbacks, and parking dimensions, are not arbitrary. They are essential mechanical tools that allow us to provide this
level of housing and affordability.
90002:17:21.930 --> 02:17:27.020Speaker 24 (Community Hall): Finally, before I turn it on over to David, I want to emphasize the benefits of this project.
90102:17:27.200 --> 02:17:33.279
Speaker 24 (Community Hall): By utilizing state density bonus provisions, we are providing 24 below market
rate homes.
90202:17:33.440 --> 02:17:35.249Speaker 24 (Community Hall): 20% of our total units.
90302:17:35.540 --> 02:17:38.119Speaker 24 (Community Hall): To medium and moderate-income households.
904
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Speaker 24 (Community Hall): Additionally, we're providing 122 homes, greater than the 51 included in the
housing element, resulting in a net positive.
90502:17:47.799 --> 02:17:57.200Speaker 24 (Community Hall): Beyond housing, this project is a tremendous asset to the city. It is entirely consistent with the City's general plan and zoning designations when submitted.
906
02:17:57.389 --> 02:18:05.749
Speaker 24 (Community Hall): And environmentally, our peer-reviewed traffic study demonstrates a 40% net decrease in vehicle trips compared to the existing commercial uses.
90702:18:06.230 --> 02:18:17.609Speaker 24 (Community Hall): And last but not least, economically, the project generates $10 million in impact fees, and will provide an estimated $160,000 of annual net increase to the city's general fund.
908
02:18:18.340 --> 02:18:25.820Speaker 24 (Community Hall): Thank you for your time and consideration. I'll now hand the presentation on over to David Burton from KTGY to walk you through the site design and architecture.
90902:18:28.260 --> 02:18:30.909Speaker 24 (Community Hall): Thank you, Kevin, and good evening, Mayor.
910
02:18:31.120 --> 02:18:33.519Speaker 24 (Community Hall): Moore and council members, excited to be.
91102:18:33.745 --> 02:18:36.545Speaker 12 (Community Hall): Before you here this evening, to present what we think will be.
912
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Speaker 25 (Community Hall): A great addition to the neighborhood.
91302:18:39.084 --> 02:18:55.795Speaker 25 (Community Hall): Our goals with this design, were threefold. One was to create a plan that responds to the scale of the context with larger-scale buildings facing Stevens Creek Boulevard and transitioning to a more fine-grained scale as you move through the site to Alves Drive.
914
02:18:56.575 --> 02:19:02.434Speaker 25 (Community Hall): Second was to help fulfill the city's vision that's in the heart of the city's specific plan.
915
02:19:02.934 --> 02:19:10.064Speaker 25 (Community Hall): And then, to maximize housing opportunities in a location that's got great access to shopping, schools, transit, and bike infrastructure.
916
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Speaker 25 (Community Hall): Next slide.
91702:19:12.895 --> 02:19:20.905Speaker 25 (Community Hall): The project includes, as Kevin said, two types of housing. Three-story townhouses oriented towards Stevens Creek, three-story single-family homes.
918
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Speaker 25 (Community Hall): At the interior and facing out towards Alice Drive.
91902:19:24.605 --> 02:19:35.215Speaker 25 (Community Hall): Access to the site is provided from both of these streets, and we've meandered the circulation through the site to encourage slower speeds, more conducive to a pedestrian-friendly neighborhood.
920
02:19:36.014 --> 02:19:38.774
Speaker 25 (Community Hall): All homes have front doors facing Stevens Creek.
92102:19:39.004 --> 02:19:42.385Speaker 25 (Community Hall): Alves Drive, or Landscape Courtyard in the site.
922
02:19:42.695 --> 02:19:50.785
Speaker 25 (Community Hall): The courtyards connect to our central circulation spine and provide a strong,
continuous pedestrian connection from homes out to the larger neighborhood.
92302:19:50.785 --> 02:19:54.044Speaker 4 (Community Hall): Pardon, you only have about 10 seconds left. Nope.
924
02:19:54.045 --> 02:19:58.415
Speaker 25 (Community Hall): I guess we'll call it quits. Thanks.
92502:19:58.420 --> 02:20:11.350Speaker 4 (Community Hall): Thank you, and at this time, we'll be having another round of Council clarifying questions of the applicant, or it can be of staff report as well. Do we have any Council clarifying questions?
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Speaker 4 (Community Hall): Hmm.
92702:20:15.940 --> 02:20:17.510Speaker 4 (Community Hall): Councilmember Fruen?
92802:20:17.900 --> 02:20:20.540Speaker 4 (Community Hall): Followed by Councilmember Mohan, then Vice Mayor.
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Speaker 7 (Community Hall): This is probably best addressed by, excuse me, Mr. Choi.
93002:20:27.020 --> 02:20:34.279Speaker 7 (Community Hall): there had been some commentary with regard to Voyager, I'm just curious as to how things sit with Panera and their potential relocation.
931
02:20:41.420 --> 02:20:47.759
Speaker 24 (Community Hall): So Panera, is currently on a percentage lease, through June of this year.
93202:20:47.850 --> 02:20:54.609Speaker 24 (Community Hall): We've not had any direct communication with them yet on what they want to do past June of this year.
933
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Speaker 24 (Community Hall): But what we're happy to offer is the flexibility to stay at their current location
through about May of next year, when we anticipate construction would start, and give them that flexibility, during this time when they're trying to find a new space. And we're also happy to help in terms of finding them that new space, too. Okay, great, thanks.
93402:21:14.570 --> 02:21:16.330Speaker 4 (Community Hall): Councilmember Mohan?
935
02:21:17.060 --> 02:21:17.730Speaker 9 (Community Hall): Oh.
93602:21:17.870 --> 02:21:32.209Speaker 9 (Community Hall): I wanted to add to, the comments that Mr. Choi made. As of yesterday, I think I met with you yesterday or the day before, they had had no communication with Panera, and I do want to
commend staff as well as,
93702:21:32.300 --> 02:21:37.960Speaker 9 (Community Hall): Daniel for, making this last-minute, outreach, and actually.
93802:21:38.100 --> 02:21:50.010Speaker 9 (Community Hall): getting through to someone in Panera, and so the news in your most recent
communication that they are genuinely interested in staying in Cupertino.
93902:21:50.010 --> 02:21:59.030Speaker 9 (Community Hall): just gives a lot of hope, and it's just a very positive thing. And this is not something we knew even as of yesterday.
94002:21:59.500 --> 02:22:02.190Speaker 9 (Community Hall): So thank you, staff and Daniel.
941
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Speaker 9 (Community Hall): And Mr. Choi.
94202:22:06.150 --> 02:22:08.860Speaker 4 (Community Hall): Thank you for that, and Vice Mayor? Yeah.
943
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Speaker 8 (Community Hall): So, can you show the Stevens Creek frontage what it will look like, and what it
looks like from Elves?
94402:22:17.980 --> 02:22:26.140Speaker 8 (Community Hall): And then the… the trees that… the top two layers of… the layers of trees you are planning for… Can you bring up…
945
02:22:26.145 --> 02:22:26.945
Speaker 18 (Community Hall): Probably…
94602:22:26.950 --> 02:22:29.610Speaker 24 (Community Hall): One… one walk.
947
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Speaker 1 (Community Hall): Alright, right there.
94802:22:32.970 --> 02:22:48.940Speaker 24 (Community Hall): So this is our rendering on, Stevens Creek, and so, kind of in the foreground right there, you can see that the existing pear trees, plus the ones that we're going to be planting, I'm in the… within that landscaping strip between the road and the public sidewalk.
949
02:22:49.060 --> 02:22:57.059
Speaker 24 (Community Hall): And then beyond that, there is the second layer of landscaping, and trees that
provide additional, kind of…
95002:22:58.810 --> 02:23:06.759Speaker 24 (Community Hall): buffering between those residential units that do front on Stevens Creek, in comparison to the cars that are there.
951
02:23:06.765 --> 02:23:14.835
Speaker 8 (Community Hall): There is currently only one row of trees. That is correct. And you are adding a second row of trees. That is correct.
952
02:23:15.100 --> 02:23:15.670
Speaker 24 (Community Hall): Yeah.
95302:23:15.880 --> 02:23:31.459Speaker 24 (Community Hall): And then this is our rendering along Alves, showing our single-family homes
and the various design options that we got there. If you want to know more, we can always have David
come up here and talk to you more about that, but, the… here along Alves, we're going to be, you know,
matching.
95402:23:31.640 --> 02:23:50.039Speaker 24 (Community Hall): The sidewalk condition that's there today along a lot of the single-family homes that are there, which is sidewalk, landscaping buffer, and then front yards for those, single-family homes, which does include that layer of trees in addition to kind of the more typical ground cover, shrubs,
flowers, landscaping, you name it.
955
02:23:50.060 --> 02:23:52.460Speaker 24 (Community Hall): Okay, thank you.
95602:23:54.250 --> 02:24:01.369Speaker 4 (Community Hall): I was wondering if someone could show the, the public art, suggested,
location?
957
02:24:10.680 --> 02:24:17.289Speaker 24 (Community Hall): This will work, so the public art proposed location as of right now would be basically dead center on the site.
95802:24:17.400 --> 02:24:20.220
Speaker 24 (Community Hall): In the linear park that's right there.
959
02:24:21.460 --> 02:24:25.620Speaker 4 (Community Hall): Okay, and this is along Stevens Creek
96002:24:25.790 --> 02:24:29.060Speaker 4 (Community Hall): Boulevard, so I believe there's some…
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Speaker 4 (Community Hall): public art requirement for, for Stevens Creek Boulevard that is, different from,
96202:24:37.530 --> 02:24:48.200Speaker 4 (Community Hall): other streets. So, for instance, design criteria, Municipal Code 19.148.060,
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Speaker 4 (Community Hall): D. Artwork located along Stevens Creek Boulevard or Danza Boulevard
corridors shall be large in scale and oriented to the view corridors of the motorist, so that wouldn't be meeting that requirement.
964
02:25:04.070 --> 02:25:20.940Speaker 4 (Community Hall): appropriate artwork in these corridors will most likely be sculptural. However, other forms of art may be considered if consistent with the intent of this chapter. Artwork should have a visual impact upon passengers in a moving vehicle or pedestrians not less than 100 feet away.
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Speaker 4 (Community Hall): Was this addressed in the… in the report?
96602:25:26.890 --> 02:25:40.750Speaker 4 (Community Hall): And I do know that across the street, this… the, Summerhill Staples Project has a, a large seating area with an artwork proposal that they made there, which will be,
967
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Speaker 4 (Community Hall): Clearly visible to the public, and they're even allowing, you know, seating for members of the public on their property.
96802:25:50.360 --> 02:26:02.559Speaker 22 (Community Hall): Now, I don't believe the staff report had any comment on the location, but you are correct for Stevens Creek and DeAnza. I think the intent was to, since they are the major corridors,
to have art in a location that would be
96902:26:02.730 --> 02:26:04.600Speaker 22 (Community Hall): Viewable from that corridor.
97002:26:05.130 --> 02:26:06.450Speaker 4 (Community Hall): Correct. Alright.
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02:26:07.510 --> 02:26:17.270Speaker 24 (Community Hall): And we would be happy to have the art move up to… or along Stevens Creek Boulevard, if that's the intent there, so there's no concern from our side from that perspective.
97202:26:17.270 --> 02:26:19.169Speaker 4 (Community Hall): Okay, thank you, Vice Mayor.
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02:26:19.330 --> 02:26:35.239Speaker 8 (Community Hall): Yeah, I think I made the same comment in our meeting, that I would prefer the public art to be, seen from the Steepest creek, and then since we will have art from the Summerhill site, if the two art can be somehow
97402:26:36.050 --> 02:26:49.500
Speaker 8 (Community Hall): resonate in nature, so they… they look nice together, that would be nice, but
that's, I guess, for the art commissioning, and for you guys to work together later. I do have a question
regarding
97502:26:49.610 --> 02:26:58.530
Speaker 8 (Community Hall): the windows, I think I asked a question in our meeting, but can you talk about
the windows facing the single-family home… homes?
97602:27:02.450 --> 02:27:07.209Speaker 24 (Community Hall): Yeah, so I think you're referring to the homes that are on, kind of, the top
right-hand side of the…
97702:27:07.990 --> 02:27:08.970Speaker 24 (Community Hall): Excuse me.
97802:27:09.860 --> 02:27:16.609Speaker 24 (Community Hall): the mic is not, playing nice with me today. The… the home's on the top right-
hand side of the… the…
97902:27:16.630 --> 02:27:33.560Speaker 24 (Community Hall): slide we're looking today. So, the homes that, face the single-family neighborhood there, there are some windows that, face that side, but I would describe those windows as the very small windows that you would might find, on the, you know, like, within a bathroom.
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02:27:33.560 --> 02:27:37.649
Speaker 24 (Community Hall): Or something that… maybe in a bedroom on the smaller side, on the…
98102:27:37.650 --> 02:27:44.179Speaker 24 (Community Hall): Within that bedroom, to really provide additional light within those spaces, but not necessarily as a viewing corridor.
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Speaker 24 (Community Hall): If you see the,
98302:27:47.530 --> 02:28:06.980Speaker 24 (Community Hall): from the slides that we looked at before for the front door elevations, right, you'll see some fairly large windows. That's not what we're going to be proposing on the side of that home, to avoid any, you know, issues with that. And I would also like to add that we did actually make contact with the neighbor, and talked about the project a little bit, to our
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Speaker 24 (Community Hall): Northwest.
98502:28:08.120 --> 02:28:23.090Speaker 24 (Community Hall): She asked, a couple quick questions about windows, like I… and I just answered this, just as I did. And then we also talked a little bit about the landscaping that we're going to be
putting along that edge as well, which will provide some additional buffering between our two, properties.
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02:28:23.120 --> 02:28:24.469Speaker 24 (Community Hall): Great, thank you.
987
02:28:28.670 --> 02:28:36.620Speaker 9 (Community Hall): Councilmember Mohan? A quick question for the applicant. I'm sorry, I have to bring you back here.
988
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Speaker 9 (Community Hall): I think one of the slides said that the Traffic, reduction would be… Like, 40…
40%?
98902:28:46.080 --> 02:28:54.030Speaker 9 (Community Hall): Which seems a little counterintuitive. You're building 122 new units, and the traffic's gonna go down by 40%.
990
02:28:54.880 --> 02:29:12.950
Speaker 24 (Community Hall): Yeah, happy to speak more to that. So, the use today, commercial office, is a fairly dense use for commercial office here in the area. If you were just actually just to count the number of parking stalls on our site today versus the number of parking stalls we'll have in the proposed development, that will go down.
99102:29:12.950 --> 02:29:20.410
Speaker 24 (Community Hall): And then in addition to that, and this was developed by our traffic consultant
and peer-reviewed by the city and the city's, traffic consultant.
99202:29:20.410 --> 02:29:29.989Speaker 24 (Community Hall): The anticipated number of trips per square foot, right, for the commercial office versus that of the residential, is dramatically lower, and so…
993
02:29:30.050 --> 02:29:40.709
Speaker 24 (Community Hall): With 122 homes, which are for sale, they're 3 and 4 bedrooms, right? The
number of trips that are anticipated coming out of that will, result in a dramatic reduction of about 40%.
99402:29:43.180 --> 02:29:56.570Speaker 9 (Community Hall): Okay, that's a good rationale for us all to remember when we… other developments come up, because we're always hearing complaints that any new development adds to the traffic, and… and you're saying the opposite.
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Speaker 22 (Community Hall): That is correct.
99602:29:59.240 --> 02:30:07.190Speaker 22 (Community Hall): Thank you. If I could add, that actually is the case with most major corridors for, like, vehicle miles traveled and trips.
997
02:30:07.320 --> 02:30:11.759
Speaker 22 (Community Hall): Is residential, tends to reduce, even though it seems counterintuitive.
998
02:30:12.110 --> 02:30:18.990
Speaker 22 (Community Hall): You may have parking, but restaurants have a lot higher turnover, so you get a lot more vehicle trips per square footage.
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Speaker 9 (Community Hall): Yeah, I see that, thank you.
100002:30:23.240 --> 02:30:30.690Speaker 4 (Community Hall): Thank you. I'm not seeing any further Council clarifying questions. Next, we'll have public speakers on the item, Madam City Clerk.
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Speaker 11 (Community Hall): Yes, Mayhair, we do have some requests to speak on this item I currently
have.
100202:30:42.090 --> 02:30:43.720Speaker 14 (Community Hall): 3 requests to…
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Speaker 11 (Community Hall): before.
100402:30:45.090 --> 02:30:45.469Speaker 14 (Community Hall): this is.
100502:30:45.475 --> 02:30:48.535
Speaker 11 (Community Hall): in person, and I'm currently seeing one hand raised virtually.
1006
02:30:49.740 --> 02:30:50.510Speaker 9 (Community Hall): All right.
100702:30:56.690 --> 02:30:58.530Speaker 14 (Community Hall): So, at this time, we will,
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Speaker 11 (Community Hall): Welcome, Jennifer Griffin, followed by.
100902:31:01.525 --> 02:31:02.655Speaker 14 (Community Hall): Lauren?
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Speaker 11 (Community Hall): followed by Eason. And, as a reminder, members of the public wishing to
speak regarding this item shall submit a request to speak or raise their hand virtually within the first 9 minutes of the start of public comment, or before public comment period is closed, whichever comes first. So, welcome.
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02:31:18.025 --> 02:31:18.865Speaker 14 (Community Hall): Jennifer?
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Speaker 12 (Community Hall): Thank you. Hi, I'm Jennifer Griffin. I did attend the Planning Commission
meeting with this item.
101302:31:25.070 --> 02:31:40.480Speaker 13 (Community Hall): I am going to state that I had not been aware that there were any community meetings on this. I was never alerted. There may have been, but I was never alerted. I didn't know. I would have liked to have gone and spoken. And I…
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Speaker 13 (Community Hall): I hope in future that we will have a robust outreach for community for SB330s.
101502:31:48.610 --> 02:32:01.120Speaker 13 (Community Hall): As I said before, we have anticipate a wipeout down by Finch and Cupertino High School, which is going to be a battle. We're wiping out a daycare. Anyway.
1016
02:32:01.250 --> 02:32:03.649Speaker 13 (Community Hall): This project is nice.
101702:32:03.890 --> 02:32:13.650Speaker 13 (Community Hall): The architecture's nice. The problem is that there are 7 SB330s that are pretty much wiping out retail down our traditional
1018
02:32:13.790 --> 02:32:31.350Speaker 13 (Community Hall): shopping corridor. My grandmother has lived in Cupertino since 1950. I was here quite often as a child, and, we shopped all over the place around this area. I was also in the meetings 12 years ago when the retail
101902:32:31.520 --> 02:32:34.899
Speaker 13 (Community Hall): When they took out the restaurant that had been there.
102002:32:35.000 --> 02:32:43.959Speaker 13 (Community Hall): very popular, and then we put in the Panera site, and we put in the Voyager site, which I guess was Pete's Coffee, someone had reminded me.
102102:32:44.480 --> 02:32:52.880
Speaker 13 (Community Hall): I sat for hours in the meeting, and as I stated, I lost a brother 10 years ago.
If I had that time to go back.
102202:32:53.060 --> 02:33:00.980Speaker 13 (Community Hall): I wouldn't have wasted my time on this project. I would have… if I had
known what happened to my brother so fast.
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Speaker 13 (Community Hall): I would have… I would have just spent that time with him. But this is what happened.
102402:33:06.190 --> 02:33:24.200Speaker 13 (Community Hall): I feel that the… there was good retail. There were good decisions made. We
have active retail on the west side of Seish, which was not there before. There were dumpsters, and there
was rats, and all sorts of strange things. So, I…
102502:33:24.520 --> 02:33:30.610Speaker 13 (Community Hall): Coming out of this, we have… I've been told that the retail on the west side of Sage is staying there.
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Speaker 13 (Community Hall): Eyeglass stores there, etc, etc. I'm… I'm glad that Voyager and Panera are
being handled like priorities in this city. We are losing retail.
102702:33:44.040 --> 02:33:55.059Speaker 13 (Community Hall): I want retail to stay. We don't just kick them out because we're converting it to housing. Okay, that's great, that's wonderful, but it's not the property owner's problem.
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Speaker 13 (Community Hall): The city has to step up and offer. I attended a community meeting in Santa
Clara, at Lawrence and at Homestead, and it was pathetic. The Cayo
102902:34:06.770 --> 02:34:20.939Speaker 13 (Community Hall): Super Coyote Shopping Center, the tenants didn't have a clue what was going on. I'm also concerned about what happens to Sage if Target sells and the traffic. Thank you.
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Speaker 14 (Community Hall): Thank you, Jennifer. Next, we will welcome Lauren.
103102:34:23.870 --> 02:34:27.400Speaker 11 (Community Hall): Followed by Eason, followed by David. Welcome, Lauren.
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Speaker 3 (Community Hall): Thank you, Madam Mayor, Vice Mayor, and members of City Council.
103302:34:36.260 --> 02:34:38.669Speaker 20 (Community Hall): For being here tonight, and for everything you do for the city.
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Speaker 20 (Community Hall): My name is Lauren Burns, and I'm the owner and co-founder of Voyager Craft
Coffee.
103502:34:45.330 --> 02:34:50.769Speaker 26 (Community Hall): Before anything else, I want to say thank you. I've reached out to several of you and have already heard back.
1036
02:34:51.190 --> 02:34:57.190Speaker 26 (Community Hall): And I can't express how much I appreciate the willingness to connect with us and to support us in the next steps.
103702:34:58.450 --> 02:35:01.179Speaker 26 (Community Hall): I also want to sincerely thank Blair and his team.
1038
02:35:02.230 --> 02:35:03.740Speaker 26 (Community Hall): Harvest Properties.
103902:35:04.170 --> 02:35:10.850Speaker 26 (Community Hall): We're grateful for their support and for the opportunity that support gives us to continue to create a space in this community.
1040
02:35:12.410 --> 02:35:15.610Speaker 26 (Community Hall): I'm here tonight because we are doing everything we can to stay in Cupertino.
104102:35:16.220 --> 02:35:17.530Speaker 26 (Community Hall): And we need your help.
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02:35:18.600 --> 02:35:22.910Speaker 26 (Community Hall): Over the past 4 years, Voyage has become so much more than a coffee shop.
104302:35:23.990 --> 02:35:26.210Community Hall: It's become a gathering place for the city.
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Speaker 26 (Community Hall): A place for Dianza student study.
104502:35:29.090 --> 02:35:30.810Speaker 26 (Community Hall): Family spend time together.
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Speaker 26 (Community Hall): Neighbors run into each other.
104702:35:33.040 --> 02:35:35.340Speaker 26 (Community Hall): And community happens in a very real way.
104802:35:36.980 --> 02:35:39.640Speaker 26 (Community Hall): We opened the space after years of isolation.
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Speaker 26 (Community Hall): and fear during COVID.
105002:35:42.280 --> 02:35:44.630Speaker 26 (Community Hall): Hoping to create something full of warmth.
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Speaker 26 (Community Hall): Color in life. A place that could bring people back together again.
105202:35:49.370 --> 02:35:56.499Speaker 26 (Community Hall): And this… And this can… And this community made up exactly that.
105302:35:56.620 --> 02:35:58.420
Speaker 26 (Community Hall): We will be forever grateful.
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02:35:58.730 --> 02:35:59.899Speaker 26 (Community Hall): We love the city.
105502:36:01.690 --> 02:36:11.380Speaker 26 (Community Hall): Many of our team members are Cupertino natives, are De Anza students, and
we care deeply about staying here and continuing to be part of the city's future.
1056
02:36:12.730 --> 02:36:18.779Speaker 26 (Community Hall): Right now, we are working hard to find a new home in Cupertino, but we've not found a viable space.
105702:36:20.600 --> 02:36:23.289
Speaker 26 (Community Hall): We need to secure something within the next year.
1058
02:36:24.320 --> 02:36:28.059Speaker 26 (Community Hall): So we're asking for your help in identifying possible spaces.
105902:36:28.540 --> 02:36:30.749Speaker 26 (Community Hall): Supporting flexibility where it's needed.
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Speaker 26 (Community Hall): And helping us move quickly through permitting when the time comes.
106102:36:35.580 --> 02:36:37.559
Speaker 26 (Community Hall): We will fight to stay in Cupertino.
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Speaker 26 (Community Hall): We're simply asking that you meet us in that fight, however you can.
106302:36:43.180 --> 02:36:46.539Speaker 26 (Community Hall): We appreciate the city will continue to grow and change.
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Speaker 26 (Community Hall): We support the increased housing.
106502:36:50.010 --> 02:36:53.130Speaker 26 (Community Hall): We just hope there will still be room for places like Voyager.
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Speaker 26 (Community Hall): Places that help people feel connected, grounded.
106702:36:56.880 --> 02:36:58.860Speaker 26 (Community Hall): And part of something bigger.
106802:36:59.270 --> 02:37:02.330
Speaker 26 (Community Hall): Thank you for your time, your leadership, and your support.
106902:37:06.190 --> 02:37:08.869Speaker 14 (Community Hall): Thank you, Lauren. Next, we will welcome Eason.
107002:37:08.870 --> 02:37:10.190Speaker 11 (Community Hall): Followed by David.
1071
02:37:10.480 --> 02:37:11.719Speaker 11 (Community Hall): Welcome, Eason.
107202:37:18.980 --> 02:37:20.270Speaker 9 (Community Hall): Good evening, Mayor.
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Speaker 9 (Community Hall): and the members of the City Council.
107402:37:23.500 --> 02:37:29.689Speaker 9 (Community Hall): My name is Isinde Mirrodo, and I have lived in Cupertino for 38 years.
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Speaker 9 (Community Hall): I'm here tonight because I'm deeply frustrated and honestly heartbroken.
107602:37:36.460 --> 02:37:38.909Speaker 17 (Community Hall): By what's happening to our city.
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Speaker 9 (Community Hall): Although I really like the proposed development in many aspects.
107802:37:46.180 --> 02:37:53.190Speaker 9 (Community Hall): I strongly oppose the proposed removal of Voyager Cafe, and Panera Bread.
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Speaker 9 (Community Hall): I raised my family here.
108002:37:56.070 --> 02:38:01.960Speaker 9 (Community Hall): Cupertino wasn't just where we lived, it was where we built our lives.
108102:38:02.170 --> 02:38:06.080
Speaker 9 (Community Hall): And that life was centered around local businesses.
1082
02:38:06.340 --> 02:38:12.620Speaker 9 (Community Hall): Places where we gathered, where our kids grew up, where memories were made.
108302:38:13.460 --> 02:38:19.669
Speaker 9 (Community Hall): Daily trips to town and country more than once a day, sometimes.
1084
02:38:19.950 --> 02:38:28.609Speaker 9 (Community Hall): Goodert for family branches, Fatima for dinners, Outback for date nights, Mandarin gourmet for celebrations.
108502:38:29.000 --> 02:38:33.930
Speaker 9 (Community Hall): Pizza Hut after the games of the kids' sports teams.
1086
02:38:34.580 --> 02:38:36.280Speaker 9 (Community Hall): Now they are all gone.
108702:38:37.240 --> 02:38:40.340Speaker 9 (Community Hall): One by one, they disappeared.
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Speaker 9 (Community Hall): Not because.
108902:38:41.695 --> 02:38:42.364
Speaker 17 (Community Hall): the community.
1090
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Speaker 9 (Community Hall): They didn't care, but because we allowed them to be replaced.
109102:38:47.625 --> 02:38:49.944Speaker 9 (Community Hall): And now we are about to do it again.
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Speaker 9 (Community Hall): Voyager Cafe and Panera Bread are not just businesses.
109302:38:55.535 --> 02:38:57.645Speaker 9 (Community Hall): They are among the last remaining.
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Speaker 17 (Community Hall): places where people in this community.
109502:39:00.025 --> 02:39:01.494Speaker 9 (Community Hall): And simply sit.
109602:39:01.725 --> 02:39:05.224
Speaker 9 (Community Hall): Meet, Talk, and belong.
109702:39:06.420 --> 02:39:08.270Speaker 17 (Community Hall): If this project is approved as.
109802:39:08.275 --> 02:39:10.795Speaker 9 (Community Hall): is. What will be left?
1099
02:39:11.085 --> 02:39:14.784Speaker 9 (Community Hall): At what point do we say enough?
110002:39:16.780 --> 02:39:19.699Speaker 17 (Community Hall): Because right now, it feels like there is no line.
1101
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Speaker 9 (Community Hall): No protection. No real effort to preserve what makes this city a.
110202:39:24.635 --> 02:39:26.504Speaker 17 (Community Hall): community, instead of just.
1103
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Speaker 9 (Community Hall): Just a collection of buildings.
110402:39:30.050 --> 02:39:32.529Speaker 17 (Community Hall): And what is most concerning is the pattern.
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Speaker 9 (Community Hall): We keep hearing that preserving.
110602:39:34.885 --> 02:39:36.275Speaker 17 (Community Hall): Commercial space is.
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Speaker 9 (Community Hall): financially viable.
110802:39:39.335 --> 02:39:41.255Speaker 9 (Community Hall): But where is the evidence?
110902:39:41.965 --> 02:39:42.725
Speaker 17 (Community Hall): are we.
1110
02:39:42.725 --> 02:39:46.334Speaker 9 (Community Hall): Accepting that answer without demanding transparency.
111102:39:46.485 --> 02:39:50.775Speaker 9 (Community Hall): Without pushing back, without exploring alternatives.
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Speaker 9 (Community Hall): Why does it always feel like the answer is… There's nothing we can do.
111302:39:57.735 --> 02:40:01.355Speaker 9 (Community Hall): There is something you must be able to do
1114
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Speaker 9 (Community Hall): You can demand better, you can require solutions, you can work with the
developer to preserve these spaces, or at the very least.
111502:40:11.715 --> 02:40:16.285Speaker 9 (Community Hall): Ensure that community-serving businesses are not erased.
1116
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Speaker 9 (Community Hall): the mayor.
111702:40:18.905 --> 02:40:24.365Speaker 9 (Community Hall): at the State of the City address, Spoke of good stabbermanns.
111802:40:25.345 --> 02:40:29.875Speaker 9 (Community Hall): Good governance is not just approving development. Thank you. Good governance… Thank you.
1119
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Speaker 9 (Community Hall): The social fabric of this city.
112002:40:32.980 --> 02:40:37.320Speaker 9 (Community Hall): And the protecting the… Businesses.
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Speaker 9 (Community Hall): commercial areas. Thank you for your.
112202:40:39.595 --> 02:40:40.785Speaker 11 (Community Hall): Thank you, Eason.
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Speaker 11 (Community Hall): Our next speaker is David. Welcome, David.
112402:40:50.585 --> 02:40:56.814Speaker 11 (Community Hall): Mayor Moore, Vice Mayor Chao, Council Members, thank you so much for this opportunity to speak tonight.
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Speaker 24 (Community Hall): This proposed development project.
112602:40:59.415 --> 02:41:03.744Speaker 27 (Community Hall): that you're considering isn't a part of the city known as the heart of the city.
112702:41:03.785 --> 02:41:20.644
Speaker 27 (Community Hall): And while you can make a case for many places being the heart of Cupertino,
Blackberry Farm, the Sports Center, the Library, Memorial Park, tonight I actually want to make the case that
on a day-by-day basis, Voyager and Panera, are actually the heart of the city.
112802:41:20.815 --> 02:41:39.015Speaker 27 (Community Hall): Why? Because Voyager and Panera are active, thriving, vital community hubs. Do a quick online search for meetups in Cupertino, doesn't matter if it's political activism, or startups, knitting, book clubs, vast majority of them take place in this complex.
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Speaker 27 (Community Hall): We've heard the phrase over and over, Cupertino is losing retail.
113002:41:43.805 --> 02:42:03.834
Speaker 27 (Community Hall): But I think the term retail here is a little bit of a misnomer, and in the case of
this project, we should be using the term community instead of retail. Again, day in and day out, Voyager and Panera offer seniors, students, and people of all ages a vital gathering space. And if you ask me what's the sign of a vital, thriving city.
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Speaker 27 (Community Hall): A thriving city has a place just like this.
113202:42:06.735 --> 02:42:08.125Speaker 27 (Community Hall): Right in the heart of it.
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Speaker 27 (Community Hall): So, my request tonight is very simple. Please do everything within your power
to keep these businesses, here in Cupertino. My focus is especially on Voyager, since it's a small business
with South Bay roots, started with… as a coffee cart 10 years ago.
113402:42:25.415 --> 02:42:40.505Speaker 27 (Community Hall): Do you have connections that can help Voyager find a great new space? Can the permitting process be just made really, really fast? Can business license fees be waived? I'm sure you've got other great ideas that might help, you know, keep Voyager nearby.
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02:42:40.765 --> 02:43:00.505Speaker 27 (Community Hall): Of course, in my heart of hearts, I would love to see these businesses preserved as they are, but I understand SB330 and the brute force mechanics behind it. I know you don't have much of a choice without putting the city in, you know, financial danger. So, I'm asking for the next best thing, which is to support these businesses and help them stay nearby.
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Speaker 27 (Community Hall): There is Cupertino history at this site. People have mentioned much of Apple's
early history took place in the office park. I'm told Steve Jobs used to have dinner every night at the Good
Earth, where Panera currently is. At the Planning Commission meeting, Commissioner David Fung mentioned how there's kind of a very special mojo
113702:43:19.455 --> 02:43:21.365Speaker 27 (Community Hall): at this site.
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Speaker 27 (Community Hall): I've experienced it myself. I do think today is a sad day, because I think the special magic of this site should be available to everyone for the price of a matcha, and not just to the few who can afford a townhome.
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Speaker 27 (Community Hall): We're living in a time where the prices of everything are skyrocketing, young
people and seniors often are the ones that don't have a place to go. Anyway, I would love to see the city
partner closely with Voyager, who wants so much to stay here, to help create the next heart of the city right
here in Cupertino. Thank you so much.
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Speaker 11 (Community Hall): Thank you, David. So, next we will move to our request to speak virtually. We have four hands raised. We will start off with Witt Turner, followed by Connie Cunningham. Welcome, Whit.
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Witt Turner: Hi, can y'all hear me?
114202:44:11.630 --> 02:44:12.610Speaker 11 (Community Hall): We can hear you.
114302:44:12.960 --> 02:44:16.880
Witt Turner: Hi, good evening, Mayor Moore, Vice Mayor Chao, and members of the Council.
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02:44:16.880 --> 02:44:39.610Witt Turner: Whit Turner, on behalf of the Housing Action Coalition, we are a member-supported nonprofit dedicated to creating more homes at all income levels to address the statewide housing crisis. We're super excited about this project. Cupertino is a world-class center of innovation and opportunity, but the chance to own a home here has become a real vanishing reality for families and workers who want to live in the city.
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Witt Turner: So this project is a necessary and logical solution.
114602:44:42.730 --> 02:45:07.369Witt Turner: I really want to highlight the below-market rate units here, which anchor this project's commitment to the community, pardon me, and delivering high-quality, family-sized housing at varying price points fosters long-term stability, and insurance Cupertino remains an inclusive city where people can raise their children near where they work. Also, transitioning this aging office site into housing responds directly to
the market conditions and community needs.
114702:45:07.370 --> 02:45:30.299Witt Turner: The proposal replaces unutilized asphalt with thoughtfully designed community and superior landscaping strategy with the new trees and evergreen buffer. Also, we're really excited about the ownership's commitment to finding a new home for Voyager and Panera, ensuring these businesses remain valued in the community. And finally, we wish to remind the Council that this project adheres to, you know, all the objective standards with the HAA.
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Witt Turner: mandating its approval tonight, so we respectfully ask that you approve these 122 homes. Thank you so much.
114902:45:38.690 --> 02:45:43.049Speaker 11 (Community Hall): Thank you, Whit. Next, we will move to Connie Cunningham. Welcome,
Connie.
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02:45:45.970 --> 02:45:48.290Connie Cunningham: Good evening, can you hear me?
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02:45:49.910 --> 02:45:50.770Speaker 14 (Community Hall): We can hear you.
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Connie Cunningham: Great. My name is Connie Cunningham. I'm a 38-year resident, also serving on the
Housing Commission, but speaking for myself only. Honorable Mayor Moore, Vice Mayor, and Council
Members, I strongly support this application.
115302:46:09.770 --> 02:46:13.109Connie Cunningham: Cupertino needs more homes of all types.
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Connie Cunningham: These townhomes include a variety. Especially, it includes below-market rate purchase
homes and is an excellent step forward toward our commitment expressed earlier this evening for April as Fair Housing Month.
115502:46:26.660 --> 02:46:45.099Connie Cunningham: I agree with the speakers who have made important testimony about Panera Bread and Voyager Coffee as community hubs. I urge City Council and staff to continue the Planning Commission's
idea for finding incentives to keep Panera Bread and Voyager Coffee in the city.
115602:46:45.400 --> 02:46:56.610Connie Cunningham: I urge City Council to approve this prop… Harvest Properties Townhome project tonight, and I thank you for this opportunity to speak on behalf of this application.
115702:47:00.970 --> 02:47:02.329
Speaker 14 (Community Hall): Thank you, Connie.
115802:47:02.335 --> 02:47:06.455Speaker 11 (Community Hall): Next, we'll move to San Rao, followed by Nori. Welcome, San.
115902:47:09.890 --> 02:47:15.500San Rao: Good evening, Mayor Moore, Vice Mayor, Councilmember, speaking on behalf of myself only, I'm a
Planning Commissioner, but
116002:47:15.780 --> 02:47:18.240San Rao: Speaking only as a resident.
116102:47:18.640 --> 02:47:24.640San Rao: I do support the project and want to express my appreciation for Harvest Properties and,
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02:47:24.760 --> 02:47:36.090San Rao: And the work they have done with the community, as I mentioned at the Planning Commission hearing, it is very unusual for an operator to own a property for 45 years.
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02:47:36.230 --> 02:47:39.140San Rao: Typically, properties transact in 5 to 10 years.
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San Rao: The depreciation benefits on a property reduce after 5 years.
116502:47:43.340 --> 02:47:55.150San Rao: So it's very unusual for someone to remain invested in the community for the long term, over such a long period, and to then invest back into the property by choosing to develop it themselves.
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San Rao: I think we should be grateful for operators that choose to remain in the community, because that
shows
116702:48:01.290 --> 02:48:03.569San Rao: That they are treating it as…
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San Rao: As a piece of skin in the game, as opposed to a financial transaction.
116902:48:09.510 --> 02:48:15.359San Rao: I think that deserves some special recognition and merit. Throughout the hearing, we have not recognized that.
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San Rao: Having said that, I also want to mention that the Planning Commission hearing dived a little bit into
the matter of
117102:48:23.880 --> 02:48:27.000San Rao: How we may curtail height, and…
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San Rao: The continued expansion of height in Our city with these projects.
117302:48:31.930 --> 02:48:33.789San Rao: So, I would encourage you to…
117402:48:33.990 --> 02:48:37.280
San Rao: Dig a little bit into how and whether
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02:48:37.560 --> 02:48:40.569San Rao: staff have any measures to be able to curtail height?
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San Rao: Most of the townhome projects have… Been under 40 feet.
117702:48:45.720 --> 02:48:58.640San Rao: 30 feet, is the standard R3TH, but I understand this is part of the city. The heart of the city, while
it has mixed use, we do have, in this case, single-family homes that are at close to 50 feet.
117802:48:59.030 --> 02:49:01.130San Rao: So I hope you will use your,
117902:49:01.270 --> 02:49:15.609San Rao: your deliberations to dig in a little bit into how we manage height. It's also fair to ask the question
whether buyers really have the tenacity to climb 50 feet up and down, or whatever that may be, in units of
this type.
118002:49:16.050 --> 02:49:35.509San Rao: I also want to see if there's any way you may retain a little bit more setback on the Stevens Creek facing side. That's another one that we did look into. And then finally, if this is an AB130 project, which I believe it is, you should ask staff to start to include the AB130 exemption checklist as a part of the written evidence.
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San Rao: And if the written evidence includes any further additional use of criteria to avoid exemptions.
118202:49:42.410 --> 02:49:47.930San Rao: That should be further included in the written evidence as well, so I would, urge us to…
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San Rao: to apply more rigor and not assume that every project is automatically an AB130.
118402:49:53.800 --> 02:50:07.220San Rao: And as a part of that discussion, hopefully you will also be able to think about questions around how fire is able to reach to a roof at 50 feet in height, and what sort of accommodations are needed for that. Thank you.
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Speaker 14 (Community Hall): Thank you, Sam.
118602:50:11.560 --> 02:50:14.429Speaker 14 (Community Hall): Next, we will welcome Nori. Welcome, Nori.
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Nori: Hello, can you hear me?
118802:50:20.510 --> 02:50:21.599
Speaker 14 (Community Hall): We can hear you.
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Nori: Thank you very much for this opportunity. Cupertino is losing so many good retail stores for building so many townhouses along Stevens Creek. I often go to Panela Bread to get bagel, salad, or soup.
119002:50:37.110 --> 02:50:54.590Nori: I often meet friends at Voyager, and then enjoy the coffee. Those stores are located at a good, great
location. Location is important for business. Panama Bread and Voyager always have so many customers.
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02:50:54.590 --> 02:51:05.829Nori: and good business. They have to leave for the new development? Please leave them where they are now, and redesign the townhouse complex
119202:51:05.830 --> 02:51:19.679
Nori: Even if it takes another year or two, make it right for not only retail store, but also for residents in
Cupertino. Cupertino, a college student and visitor.
119302:51:19.680 --> 02:51:34.270Nori: to Memorial Park, go there too. It is so sad, they have to move out. We already lost so many retail stores. Fantana Italian Restaurant, Stable, Staple, Pizza Hut.
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Nori: Furniture store, small sandwich store on Stevens Creek. YCD does not support those retail stores
instead of developers who purchase land and build more buildings.
119502:51:48.870 --> 02:51:51.280Nori: And, Coupetin.
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Nori: Cupertino will be bedtown.
119702:51:56.360 --> 02:52:08.750Nori: And the people has to go other stores to shop or gathering. Building so many houses caused bad traffic on Stevens Creek to 85.
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Nori: I don't know well enough about old Valco land issues. Why city?
119902:52:16.090 --> 02:52:24.230Nori: does not focus on building many housings at the old Valcomo land.
120002:52:24.330 --> 02:52:43.459
Nori: It has been empty for over 10 years. It looks like some construction happening now, but developers
can build thousands of houses there. Please help retail stores. Please leave Penelope and
120102:52:43.650 --> 02:52:48.800Nori: Voyager, where they are now. Thank you very much for your support.
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Speaker 11 (Community Hall): Thank you, Nori. Mayor, this concludes the request to speak on this item.
120302:52:54.705 --> 02:53:01.874Speaker 4 (Community Hall): Thank you. Now we have 2 minutes allocated for the applicant to respond to the public speakers, if you would like to.
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Speaker 4 (Community Hall): No, you're okay. Okay. So, do we have any further clarifying questions?
Otherwise, I'm going to close the public hearing. Do we have any further clarifying questions?
120502:53:23.075 --> 02:53:24.105Speaker 4 (Community Hall): Okay?
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Speaker 4 (Community Hall): Okay, Vice Mayor? Yeah.
120702:53:28.880 --> 02:53:29.490Speaker 8 (Community Hall): Okay.
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Speaker 8 (Community Hall): So, I will…
120902:53:33.350 --> 02:53:42.040Speaker 8 (Community Hall): So, I'd like to clarify the size of the units. I think there is a slide… Or on…
121002:53:42.240 --> 02:53:45.829
Speaker 8 (Community Hall): The square… the square footage of the units.
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02:53:46.200 --> 02:53:47.860Speaker 8 (Community Hall): That's on this site.
121202:53:48.630 --> 02:53:52.370Speaker 8 (Community Hall): Do you have that, or… I can share my screen, too.
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Speaker 21 (Community Hall): I differentiated in the slides the net living area, so that's, you know, where
121402:53:59.895 --> 02:54:13.105
Speaker 21 (Community Hall): the living areas, including the garage and things like that. That net area is
1,380 square feet for the smallest unit, and 2,329 square feet for the largest unit.
121502:54:13.920 --> 02:54:23.839Speaker 8 (Community Hall): Okay, so my question for the applicant is, what is the expected, will be the
expected selling price for this unit?
121602:54:31.480 --> 02:54:47.760Speaker 24 (Community Hall): Is this working? There we go. A quick clarification on the size. The largest homes get up to about 2,700 square feet. But, selling price, so we would anticipate that the, you know, it will be set by the market, if you were selling them today.
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Speaker 24 (Community Hall): At market rate level, that's somewhere in the neighborhood of about a million
and a quarter, up to about $3 million, based on the size of the unit.
121802:54:56.530 --> 02:54:59.599Speaker 8 (Community Hall): So, most of the single-family homes are…
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Speaker 8 (Community Hall): close to 2,700 feet, right? So that's about $3 million.
122002:55:07.000 --> 02:55:07.750Speaker 4 (Community Hall): There's about two.
122102:55:07.755 --> 02:55:21.994
Speaker 24 (Community Hall): thirds that are the 2,200 square feet, and about a third that are 2,800 square
feet, if memory serves. I can grab my computer and verify that. So the general rule of thumb is right around
$1,000 a foot. Okay.
122202:55:21.995 --> 02:55:33.255Speaker 8 (Community Hall): And so there was a question about the fire access for… to reach the roof, or I guess in general, how to get to the units, during the units.
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Speaker 24 (Community Hall): Yeah, so we worked closely with the fire department and staff, if you want to
jump in here too, feel free, but we have a combination of aerial access for some of the townhomes and the single-family dwelling units, and ground ladder access for the remainder of the single-family homes.
122402:55:48.060 --> 02:55:56.700Speaker 8 (Community Hall): So the fire truck would have letters to be able to reach them? Yes. So, the
single-family homes, I assume they…
1225
02:55:57.150 --> 02:56:01.859Speaker 8 (Community Hall): Are they still allowed to add ADUs? How big is each lot?
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02:56:03.780 --> 02:56:06.250Speaker 24 (Community Hall): I think each lot is about…
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Speaker 24 (Community Hall): 29 by 55, and I can't do that math in my head that fast.
122802:56:16.190 --> 02:56:31.700Speaker 24 (Community Hall): About 1,600 square feet on the lot. And in regards to adding an ADU later, I frankly will have to defer to staff on that. We do not have any ADUs planned for the development, as of, you know, with this proposal.
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Speaker 8 (Community Hall): It doesn't look like there's space for ADU, I'm just curious.
123002:56:36.720 --> 02:56:41.679Speaker 22 (Community Hall): There's certainly not space for an ADU at the ground level, that's for sure.
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Speaker 22 (Community Hall): Yeah, I mean, these are… these are very small lots. Yeah.
123202:56:45.335 --> 02:56:54.175Speaker 8 (Community Hall): 1,600 square foot, that's very small lots. Okay, and someone mentioned the… the history about…
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Speaker 8 (Community Hall): Steve Jobs. I think the owner is a long-time property owner. It seems Steve
Jobs used to have an office in the commercial building.
123402:57:06.995 --> 02:57:13.805Speaker 8 (Community Hall): on… Do you know some history about that? That was well before my time.
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Speaker 18 (Community Hall): My, my.
123602:57:15.785 --> 02:57:16.505Speaker 1 (Community Hall): My father was the.
123702:57:16.505 --> 02:57:20.214
Speaker 18 (Community Hall): the one that originally developed it. And I do believe.
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02:57:20.215 --> 02:57:29.954Speaker 28 (Community Hall): that Apple did have an early office in this location. I don't know whether Steve Jobs officed out of it or not, but I know they was in one of their earlier offices.
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02:57:29.955 --> 02:57:44.215Speaker 8 (Community Hall): I hope to get information on that, because I thought a possible way of it could be there could be a plaque on Stevens Creek to recognize this site as an early office.
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Speaker 28 (Community Hall): We are open to that, and I can look through the files.
124102:57:47.255 --> 02:57:48.714Speaker 8 (Community Hall): Value to your project.
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Speaker 28 (Community Hall): I'm happy to look through our files. I haven't come across anything…
anything definitive, but again, that's totally up to the city to dictate as well. Okay, thank you.
124302:58:00.990 --> 02:58:14.930Speaker 4 (Community Hall): I have a question for staff. There was a comment about the heights and the setbacks, and given the state laws that they're using, what is our flexibility to deny these waivers?
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Speaker 21 (Community Hall): There is very, very little flexibility, so the density bonus law basically gives
them unlimited waivers from our development standards, so unless you can make a finding that there's a significant negative impact to public health, safety, or, like, our property, then there's very little discretion on that.
124502:58:35.190 --> 02:58:44.769Speaker 22 (Community Hall): Okay, thank… The height limit here is 45 feet, so even the tallest buildings
are just 5 feet higher than that. It's not a big departure from the standard.
124602:58:44.770 --> 02:58:59.520Speaker 4 (Community Hall): Okay, I kind of think that we could use another informational memo regarding this. It seems like, as we're seeing more of these projects come through, that the public perception is that we are,
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Speaker 4 (Community Hall): we have flexibility, but we're not using that, and I think that would really help.
And perhaps another one regarding retail loss and how this is happening, because we're up over 1.3 million
square feet of retail lost.
124802:59:15.000 --> 02:59:22.140Speaker 4 (Community Hall): In the city, and all due to, state housing laws and their ability to, to use them.
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Speaker 4 (Community Hall): Yeah, do you have a clarifying question? Otherwise, we're going to close the
public hearing and have a motion.
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Speaker 8 (Community Hall): So, one of the questions was about, I think many of… a few speakers spoke on why we cannot keep the retail, so could the staff please explain
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Speaker 8 (Community Hall): How this site is currently zoned as mixed use, even though it allows residential
office and retail, but…
125202:59:49.395 --> 02:59:56.694Speaker 8 (Community Hall): we cannot prevent any applicant from wiping out the retail. Why is that?
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Speaker 8 (Community Hall): And then… and there was the question about why can we build on Valco? So,
but we do have, a proposal already approved on Valco, if you can speak on… about that for information.
125403:00:09.985 --> 03:00:18.425Speaker 22 (Community Hall): Yeah, on the first question, the zoning allows either retail or residential, and it's really the applicant's choice, where you have
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Speaker 22 (Community Hall): the ability to do residential, you can do an entirely residential project, and
that's really what we have here. So, had we received a project that included retail, we would have been happy to have that as well.
125603:00:31.725 --> 03:00:38.674Speaker 8 (Community Hall): Our current zoning doesn't have any requirement, like, the project has to be at least 30% retail.
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03:00:39.225 --> 03:00:44.755Speaker 22 (Community Hall): There are requirements in part of the city for things like that, but again, they're all waivable.
125803:00:44.885 --> 03:00:47.485Speaker 22 (Community Hall): It all goes back to the density bug.
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03:00:47.485 --> 03:00:50.384Speaker 8 (Community Hall): So the heart of Citi does have the…
126003:00:50.575 --> 03:00:56.454Speaker 8 (Community Hall): requirement for, I think, 75% frontage for Stevens Creek to be retail.
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Speaker 8 (Community Hall): Yes. So we had that, but unfortunately, the state law allows them to waive all these requirements. That is correct, yes. And that's the reason we are losing all the retail in our heart of the city, which is supposed to be the commercial corridor for Cupertino.
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03:01:15.655 --> 03:01:19.295Speaker 8 (Community Hall): Okay. That is correct. And then the vocal update?
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Speaker 22 (Community Hall): I don't know that I would be giving a Valco update on this.
126403:01:27.320 --> 03:01:29.509Speaker 5 (Community Hall): Just if she was one scripture. Yeah.
126503:01:29.760 --> 03:01:31.770
Speaker 4 (Community Hall): It's not germane.
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03:01:32.290 --> 03:01:44.980Speaker 8 (Community Hall): Because the… I think the public is wondering why can we build on Vocal, but we already have an approved project on Vocal site, and they are still planning on building,
126703:01:45.200 --> 03:01:52.390
Speaker 8 (Community Hall): I don't know how many units there. There will be residential, and retail, and
office there.
126803:01:53.300 --> 03:01:57.339Speaker 8 (Community Hall): But much, much, much smaller retail with each version.
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Speaker 4 (Community Hall): Okay, I do have a question for the City Manager with regards to the Voyager
Coffee and Panera. Do you have some kind of plan in the works to assist them, or was there something that
came out of the Planning Commission that's, actionable?
127003:02:16.420 --> 03:02:25.150Speaker 5 (Community Hall): Yes, thank you, Mayor. So there's quite a bit of outreach that we have conducted, both to Voyager and Panera.
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Speaker 5 (Community Hall): And Daniel continues to work with Lauren, and I'm really… I'm really glad that
they're in touch even earlier today, looking at possible locations that Voyager can go.
127203:02:36.760 --> 03:02:49.019Speaker 5 (Community Hall): And continue to stay in Cupertino, and as Councilmember Mohan mentioned, Panera also confirmed yesterday, just yesterday, that they're interested in staying in Cupertino, so we're continuing now
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03:02:49.020 --> 03:03:07.809Speaker 5 (Community Hall): I'm also glad to hear that the applicant's on board in trying to support these two retail tenants, so we'll be in touch with you to see what that support looks like and how we can all come together on that. And retail in general is also a work program item there, so we can bring more updates
when we have that discussion as well.
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Speaker 4 (Community Hall): Thank you. Councilmember Fruan?
127503:03:11.380 --> 03:03:17.109Speaker 7 (Community Hall): I think my question was just answered, which was, what direction do you need from us, if any?
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Speaker 7 (Community Hall): with respect to the retail preservation, knowing that we have the work program item, knowing that all of this engagement has already been going on, is there something else that you need from us today to ratify the Planning Commission recommendation? It would just be a minute order anyway, it's not part of the normal recommended action.
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Speaker 5 (Community Hall): Yeah, I think Planning Commission recommendation was that Council consider
certain concessions and what we can do, but I don't have that information today. It is a work program item,
we're thinking about, it's really important to all of us, so at that time, when we have that discussion, I will look for some guidance and direction from Council.
127803:03:52.995 --> 03:03:58.734Speaker 7 (Community Hall): Great, so for anybody who's made a comment with regard to retail, please engage with us on that process. I think it's important. Thanks.
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03:03:59.450 --> 03:04:01.790Speaker 4 (Community Hall): Great, thank you.
128003:04:02.020 --> 03:04:07.529Speaker 4 (Community Hall): I'm not seeing any further clarifying questions, is that correct?
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Speaker 4 (Community Hall): at that… oh, thank you. So we're closing the public hearing, and do I have a motion to move the recommended action, perhaps with the municipal code requirement 19.148.060 art on Stevens Creek Boulevard will be followed?
128203:04:26.030 --> 03:04:26.860Speaker 4 (Community Hall): Hmm.
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03:04:27.500 --> 03:04:29.810Speaker 8 (Community Hall): Hmm, I'm happy to move it.
128403:04:30.110 --> 03:04:33.689Speaker 8 (Community Hall): More so… With the medical code.
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Speaker 4 (Community Hall): Thank you. Moore second?
128603:04:36.495 --> 03:04:40.164Speaker 4 (Community Hall): Do we have any further discussion, or shall we go to a vote?
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03:04:41.645 --> 03:04:47.224Speaker 4 (Community Hall): Councilmember… I mean, Vice Mayor, your hand is raised. Oh, still? Oh, sorry.
128803:04:47.225 --> 03:04:50.175Speaker 8 (Community Hall): Okay.
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Speaker 4 (Community Hall): Seeing no further requests to speak, Madam City Clerk, will you please set the vote? Panel.
129003:05:02.080 --> 03:05:06.509Speaker 8 (Community Hall): I do have one comment, if I could… Please do.
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Speaker 8 (Community Hall): I… this is a really great project, and I really like the design, the thought you have put into that.
129203:05:14.040 --> 03:05:26.820Speaker 8 (Community Hall): However, I think a lot of speakers keep talking about, oh, this would be… add variety to Cupertino housing, but it does not, because I think that the units are still about
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03:05:26.940 --> 03:05:30.839Speaker 8 (Community Hall): The size of existing single-family homes.
129403:05:30.940 --> 03:05:44.900Speaker 8 (Community Hall): it's… I wish we can have more smaller starter homes, senior flats. For Cupertino, that's the kind of products we are missing in Cupertino. So, this is great product, but…
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03:05:44.990 --> 03:05:51.889Speaker 8 (Community Hall): Yeah, so I hope that we get more that can meet those needs. Thank you.
129603:05:52.160 --> 03:05:54.180Speaker 4 (Community Hall): Thank you. Councilmember Fruen.
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Speaker 7 (Community Hall): Yeah, just in follow-up to that, I'm not sure that I share that analysis. These are all new construction products.
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Speaker 7 (Community Hall): if you were to buy, median price right now of a single-family home built in the 1960s is $3 million. These are all coming in underneath that. A lot of them are bigger. The ones that are smaller are also priced lower. I mean, at one and a quarter, there's very little in the city that you can find for that. You would have to buy…
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Speaker 7 (Community Hall): something in the waterfall across the street over here, which is an apartment conversion project, in essence. So, I think that you're adding something really significant and different to the city that we do need.
130003:06:34.550 --> 03:06:58.649Speaker 4 (Community Hall): Thank you, Councilmember Fruen, and I tend to agree with you. I do want to
mention one thing with regards to that public art. Please get in touch with Summerhill. At the Staples site,
they vetted several different artists, and they presented many, many different options there, so they've done
a lot of their homework on that, and I think you'll be able to find something of an appropriate scale, probably
within the research that they've already done.
130103:06:58.660 --> 03:07:05.660Speaker 4 (Community Hall): And that should help you out. And with that, we are… our vote panel's set, and we are ready to vote.
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Speaker 11 (Community Hall): The motion carries with Wong absent.
130303:07:11.310 --> 03:07:16.690Speaker 4 (Community Hall): Alright, thank you. And next, we move on to the action calendar.
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Speaker 4 (Community Hall): Item 12 is a contract with Placeworks to prepare a housing element update-
related rezoning and all necessary environmental review and associated budget modification to address no net loss. Madam City Manager, do we have a report?
130503:07:34.170 --> 03:07:49.840Speaker 5 (Community Hall): Mayor, we don't have a presentation. There is a staff report in the packet, and
Council is being asked to approve a consultant agreement with Place Works to work on a housing element
amendment in order to comply with state law no-net loss requirements.
130603:07:49.840 --> 03:08:04.069Speaker 5 (Community Hall): Staff held a study session on low net loss on March 3rd. There's no formal presentation, as I mentioned, but, CDD staff is here and happy to answer any questions on the topic. And with that, I will,
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Speaker 5 (Community Hall): Yeah, we have Luke Connolly, Assistant Director, and Pew, Planning Manager,
to answer questions.
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Speaker 4 (Community Hall): Thank you. And is some of the funding a pass-through item?
130903:08:14.195 --> 03:08:15.135Speaker 4 (Community Hall): For this?
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03:08:16.030 --> 03:08:25.479Speaker 5 (Community Hall): There is, there… some of the funding will be part… will be covered by the developer, as per, the agreement details.
131103:08:25.480 --> 03:08:29.860Speaker 4 (Community Hall): Okay, thank you. Do we have any Council clarifying questions?
1312
03:08:30.040 --> 03:08:32.159Speaker 4 (Community Hall): On this item at this time.
131303:08:35.130 --> 03:08:36.630Speaker 4 (Community Hall): Councilmember Fruan?
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Speaker 7 (Community Hall): you know, given that we have this concern over retail, I think I've discussed this with planning staff a bit, is there any way that we can knit into this arrangement, this concern?
131503:08:52.740 --> 03:08:59.079Speaker 22 (Community Hall): Yes, there is. It is not part of the placework scope of work, but, if the time…
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Speaker 22 (Community Hall): The timing would be appropriate to address preservation of retail through doing this, because That would likely involve…
131703:09:08.140 --> 03:09:18.530Speaker 22 (Community Hall): rezoning some sites that currently allow residential, and we would have to account for it at the same time we're upzoning, which is likely what we're going to be doing through this
exercise of no net loss. Got it.
131803:09:18.530 --> 03:09:29.799Speaker 7 (Community Hall): Okay, just to the extent that we can get a little bit creative, I think everyone would appreciate that, including the site owners. I don't know exactly what that looks like.
131903:09:29.960 --> 03:09:38.919
Speaker 7 (Community Hall): But, you know, you've heard some discussion of the need for third spaces, and
maybe that means that we need to…
132003:09:39.030 --> 03:09:54.800Speaker 7 (Community Hall): look back at what our standards are in the heart of the city that aren't
necessarily built around that. They're built around what the streetscape is like when you're driving down the
street, as opposed to what the actual uses are on those parcels. So, if we can look at that, I'd appreciate it.
132103:09:56.410 --> 03:10:08.799Speaker 4 (Community Hall): To that point, do you have a suggestion that when we make a motion, that it
needs to be modified a certain way to address retail, or, can you simply take it as comments?
132203:10:09.720 --> 03:10:20.369Speaker 22 (Community Hall): I think taking it as comments would be fine. Essentially, this is a contract approval, but I think we're all really aware, and that also came on the March 3rd study session,
132303:10:20.810 --> 03:10:27.999
Speaker 22 (Community Hall): That preservation of retail is a high priority, and it has to pretty much be
timed to something like this, otherwise you can't really do it.
132403:10:28.830 --> 03:10:36.820Speaker 4 (Community Hall): Okay, thank you. I'm not seeing any further clarifying questions. Vice Mayor, you… Yeah. Interesting.
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Community Hall: Okay.
132603:10:38.180 --> 03:10:43.990Speaker 8 (Community Hall): Soon… I think, one way of…
132703:10:44.140 --> 03:10:47.830
Speaker 8 (Community Hall): Put this, added this as a work program item.
132803:10:48.120 --> 03:11:00.220Speaker 8 (Community Hall): item. At the same time, I also mentioned that Sunnyvale has done something to change the zoning so that they are able to preserve retail.
132903:11:00.230 --> 03:11:11.630
Speaker 8 (Community Hall): So, I think with the state law as it is, it seems the only way to preserve retail is
if we can carve out a portion
133003:11:11.670 --> 03:11:15.890Speaker 8 (Community Hall): of a site to be retail only. That's the only…
133103:11:16.160 --> 03:11:25.560
Speaker 8 (Community Hall): only if you have retail-only zoning, that's when you can preserve retail, right?
Is that…
133203:11:26.160 --> 03:11:32.290Speaker 8 (Community Hall): Is there any other way? Because if we say any percentage, any other, they
can't waive it.
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Speaker 22 (Community Hall): Yeah, I think the issue is that if you allow residential, it's kind of like our last project discussion, if residential is allowed.
133403:11:40.440 --> 03:11:44.230Speaker 22 (Community Hall): You can end up with a 100% residential project, so…
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Speaker 22 (Community Hall): It would largely be an exercise of removing residential from sites that are now currently mixed-use zoning.
133603:11:52.640 --> 03:11:58.239Speaker 8 (Community Hall): And so on the frontage of Stevens Creek, likely a portion will be retail.
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Speaker 22 (Community Hall): Yeah, identifying those areas that the community feels strongest about preserving retail.
133803:12:05.005 --> 03:12:14.234Speaker 5 (Community Hall): Vice Mayor, this is the kind of research and information we're hoping to bring
forward when we talk about the preservation of retail item. Yeah. Yeah.
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03:12:14.240 --> 03:12:20.560Speaker 8 (Community Hall): And then another question is, we understand that with a known net loss law.
134003:12:20.780 --> 03:12:33.199Speaker 8 (Community Hall): and also that some… probably some other law, we cannot up… down zone if
we don't up-zone. So, since we are going to upzone.
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03:12:33.450 --> 03:12:40.280Speaker 8 (Community Hall): a few sites. So, I wonder if there are some… And…
134203:12:40.410 --> 03:12:44.939Speaker 8 (Community Hall): See, some housing elements sideway, had that identified.
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Speaker 8 (Community Hall): And… This might be an opportunity to down-zone if the units we have assigned to them might be…
134403:12:54.640 --> 03:13:12.509Speaker 8 (Community Hall): too much. For example, I remember with the Adriana, I think Adriana area,
that's a really weird triangular lot, with only a very narrow entrance. Is… could this… might be an
opportunity where we down zone it a little bit?
134503:13:12.680 --> 03:13:14.669Speaker 8 (Community Hall): So it's more realistic.
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Speaker 22 (Community Hall): this would be the time, and that site you're referring to does not have an
application on it. It only had a very slight increase when we upzoned in the housing element. It was our…
134703:13:27.840 --> 03:13:31.260Speaker 22 (Community Hall): Most negligible property in terms of units it could add.
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Speaker 22 (Community Hall): it, I think, went from, like, 5 or 6 to maybe 12 or 13, so…
134903:13:36.790 --> 03:13:40.370Speaker 22 (Community Hall): it was a really minor increase, so it…
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Speaker 8 (Community Hall): At this moment, I…
135103:13:41.875 --> 03:13:48.535Speaker 17 (Community Hall): I feel like I need to interrupt. I'm sorry. Oh, okay. It's not agendized. I think we just need to move on. Okay, sure.
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Speaker 8 (Community Hall): Great.
135303:13:49.930 --> 03:13:51.050Speaker 4 (Community Hall): Councilmember Fuin?
135403:13:51.250 --> 03:14:10.540
Speaker 7 (Community Hall): at the risk of straying slightly, one of the other alternatives that I could
certainly see is simply offering an alternative ministerial pathway that includes retail. Then you're outside of
this, and you can preserve things that you would like to see, and to the extent that that's economically more
valuable to somebody.
135503:14:10.540 --> 03:14:12.390Speaker 7 (Community Hall): then I could see them using it, so…
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Speaker 7 (Community Hall): Maybe that's something else to explore. Perhaps we can move on now?
135703:14:15.770 --> 03:14:17.130Speaker 29 (Community Hall): Thank you. Thank you.
135803:14:17.235 --> 03:14:22.375Speaker 4 (Community Hall): Okay, so we've finished our clarifying questions. I do see one more hand raised.
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Speaker 9 (Community Hall): One quick question.
136003:14:26.555 --> 03:14:39.755Speaker 9 (Community Hall): We had talked about the 180-day limit before you respond to this state. Is that separate from… from this, or is… is this, analysis by Placeworks
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Speaker 9 (Community Hall): Part of that, though.
136203:14:42.135 --> 03:15:01.675Speaker 22 (Community Hall): The 180 days of state law that is in effect. Placeworks would be coming on board to try to help us resolve the no net loss issue. Frankly, there is no chance we're going to meet that 180 days, which would be the middle of June. For what it's worth, I think HCD staff is even well aware of the
180 days is…
136303:15:02.125 --> 03:15:07.414Speaker 22 (Community Hall): fairly unrealistic to assume cities can not only identify sites, but to rezone them, but I think
136403:15:07.805 --> 03:15:11.554
Speaker 22 (Community Hall): as I said, in March, the goal is to show that we are
136503:15:11.735 --> 03:15:15.304Speaker 22 (Community Hall): Proactively moving on this item, but…
136603:15:15.495 --> 03:15:22.274Speaker 22 (Community Hall): We would definitely need assistance, like Place Works, who did our housing
element in the first place, to help us get through this process.
136703:15:23.085 --> 03:15:23.875Speaker 22 (Community Hall): Thank you.
136803:15:24.730 --> 03:15:29.960Speaker 4 (Community Hall): Okay, Madam City Clerk, do we have members of the public who would like to
comment on this item?
136903:15:30.420 --> 03:15:36.619Speaker 11 (Community Hall): Yes, Mayor, we have one request to speak in person in Community Hall, and at this time, I see one hand raised virtually. Great.
137003:15:37.110 --> 03:15:51.050Speaker 11 (Community Hall): So just a reminder to members of the public wishing to speak regarding this item shall submit a request to speak or raise their hand virtually within the first 9 minutes of the start of public comment, or before the public comment period is closed, whichever comes first. At this time, we will
welcome Jennifer Griffin.
137103:15:51.570 --> 03:15:55.269Speaker 12 (Community Hall): Good evening, City Council. I have been following.
137203:15:56.350 --> 03:16:11.769Speaker 13 (Community Hall): For 17 years now, the housing bills, I counted it up this morning, and it's…
the hell started in 2014… 2013. I am painfully aware of what has happened to our state and the loss of local
control.
137303:16:12.660 --> 03:16:15.260Speaker 13 (Community Hall): I find it very interesting.
137403:16:15.360 --> 03:16:33.769
Speaker 13 (Community Hall): that retired Senator Nancy Skinner wrote both SB 133 and SB 166, the no net
loss bill. She's been out of office since December of 2024, and the governor plopped her on
137503:16:34.060 --> 03:16:38.859Speaker 13 (Community Hall): the California Energy Commission, board.
137603:16:39.410 --> 03:16:48.229
Speaker 13 (Community Hall): I'm watching her very, very carefully. I find it very interesting that these two
bills are being used
137703:16:48.450 --> 03:16:54.950Speaker 13 (Community Hall): to pill retail in this city, and obviously, from what happened in Santa Clara.
137803:16:55.280 --> 03:17:03.000
Speaker 13 (Community Hall): many, many other cities. Now, I, you know, I respect elected officials, et
cetera, et cetera, But…
137903:17:03.690 --> 03:17:10.359Speaker 13 (Community Hall): Why are these bills being enacted after she has been out of office?
138003:17:10.660 --> 03:17:12.549
Speaker 13 (Community Hall): for 18 months.
138103:17:12.930 --> 03:17:23.539Speaker 13 (Community Hall): I'm sorry, I, you know, maybe I'm a dumb public participant, but the known at last law stuff just is over the top.
138203:17:25.580 --> 03:17:39.080Speaker 13 (Community Hall): I see, and I respect the other lady in the audience who spoke so eloquently about the loss of retail. We have a massive problem in this city.
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Speaker 13 (Community Hall): And… it has… Evolved out of the housing element, I have lost all trust.
138403:17:48.250 --> 03:17:51.070Speaker 13 (Community Hall): In the decisions made at the state level.
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Speaker 13 (Community Hall): I won't even go into the federal situation. But the last…
138603:17:56.150 --> 03:18:03.809Speaker 13 (Community Hall): 14 years has been a complete erosion of the public trust in Sacramento.
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Speaker 13 (Community Hall): Our previous governor and this governor have not helped.
138803:18:08.240 --> 03:18:17.490Speaker 13 (Community Hall): There are a lot of very strange things about AB130 and how that was created a year ago.
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Speaker 13 (Community Hall): And I'm talking about AI, And data centers?
139003:18:23.610 --> 03:18:27.149Speaker 13 (Community Hall): And where the heck we're going down there?
139103:18:27.490 --> 03:18:32.179
Speaker 13 (Community Hall): No, let's don't do no net loss. It's… it's totally bogus.
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03:18:32.370 --> 03:18:36.210Speaker 13 (Community Hall): Wow, I've… how much more time do I have, or am I done?
139303:18:37.390 --> 03:18:42.950Speaker 11 (Community Hall): Jennifer, I was just checking, I believe you are done, I forgot to reset your
timer, so thank you for your time and your patience.
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03:18:42.955 --> 03:18:44.084Speaker 14 (Community Hall): Yeah, let's don't do.
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Speaker 13 (Community Hall): No.
139603:18:44.460 --> 03:18:46.759Speaker 12 (Community Hall): lost its focus. Thank you, Jennifer.
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03:18:48.360 --> 03:18:53.529Speaker 11 (Community Hall): Okay, at this time, we will move to the request to speak virtually at, Welcome San Rao.
139803:18:56.760 --> 03:19:01.410San Rao: Good evening, Mayor Bo, Vice Mayor Chao, Councilmember, speaking on behalf of myself only as a
resident.
139903:19:01.640 --> 03:19:08.270San Rao: I would urge the City Attorney to be more proactive in cutting off non-agendized conversations.
140003:19:08.320 --> 03:19:22.400San Rao: I'm very concerned that the conversation that transpired around retail was not agendized, and a
discussion on that that was extended is really a violation, potentially, of the Brown Act. Members of the
public were not here to speak on that topic.
140103:19:22.700 --> 03:19:28.570San Rao: I'm also concerned that the… The item…
140203:19:28.970 --> 03:19:35.919
San Rao: Teemed to be pre-planned and pre-prepared, because the question that was asked seemed to
have a ready-made answer from staff.
140303:19:36.140 --> 03:19:39.760San Rao: As if they were prepared for the question, and so we need to make sure
140403:19:39.910 --> 03:19:44.529
San Rao: That items that are being discussed are only items on the agenda, nothing further.
140503:19:44.700 --> 03:19:46.689San Rao: I'm further concerned that
140603:19:46.800 --> 03:19:53.009San Rao: Any addition of retail is going to come at the addition of greater density to housing element sites,
and we do not.
140703:19:53.210 --> 03:19:58.149San Rao: want Copatino to turn into projects that are at 80 DU per acre.
1408
03:19:58.410 --> 03:20:00.640San Rao: Under the guise of protecting retail.
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San Rao: I think we need a more thoughtful discussion with retail. We cannot rush the retail topic, attaching
it to this item, because this is a time bound based on state laws. So I urge you to not accept any sort of
agenda amendment
141003:20:14.980 --> 03:20:21.999San Rao: or motion that tries to include anything having to do with retail on this item. That is simply not agendized, and
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San Rao: Further, if you need to discuss retail, I would recommend you, you let that discussion flow through the Planning Commission and allow us to bring you the recommendations that would make sense without compromising density. I do not think Cupertino wants to see density at 80 BU per acre. Not only is it a concern.
141203:20:40.100 --> 03:20:46.369
San Rao: From the neighborhood and quality of life, but it is also a concern from financial feasibility, as we
have seen with the rise.
141303:20:46.500 --> 03:20:54.310San Rao: And so let's be thoughtful about this. What we also have seen with the past iteration of the housing element is that we put out
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San Rao: notices to lot owners of a certain acreage, and those that showed interest were included, and I
don't believe we want to take that passive approach.
141503:21:02.050 --> 03:21:09.950San Rao: I believe we want to target Class C or Class B office buildings, and take a thoughtful approach of looking at how can we shift
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San Rao: an old legacy office vintage product, as we just saw with the harvest properties, into housing while
preserving retail.
141703:21:18.080 --> 03:21:21.390San Rao: And so I'm not… I'm not confident that Placeworks did…
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San Rao: any of that in the last, and if they did, we certainly didn't see the results. So, I urge you to direct
Place Works very prescriptively to focus on bringing in the properties that we would like to see developed.
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San Rao: As opposed to just putting our postcards and letting greedy parcel owners to come in, and then we have to accept that. Please be thoughtful in what sites we pick. Let's learn lessons from the last time. Let's not have another really devastated drive. Thank you.
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Speaker 11 (Community Hall): Thank you, Sam. Mayor, that concludes the request to speak on this item.
142103:21:49.220 --> 03:21:50.010Speaker 11 (Community Hall): Opens.
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Speaker 4 (Community Hall): Thank you.
142303:21:51.050 --> 03:21:53.860Speaker 4 (Community Hall): At this time, do we have a motion on this item?
142403:22:00.110 --> 03:22:02.600
Speaker 4 (Community Hall): Would anyone care to move the recommended action?
1425
03:22:03.890 --> 03:22:05.419Speaker 4 (Community Hall): Sorry.
142603:22:07.450 --> 03:22:10.209Speaker 9 (Community Hall): Yeah, I move to accept the staff report.
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Speaker 9 (Community Hall): On, on item number.
142803:22:13.690 --> 03:22:14.580Speaker 9 (Community Hall): 12?
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Speaker 4 (Community Hall): And to… Do you want me to read out?
143003:22:18.035 --> 03:22:18.795Speaker 9 (Community Hall): everything?
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Speaker 4 (Community Hall): Well, you can just say to move the recommended action, if you want.
143203:22:22.030 --> 03:22:26.240Speaker 9 (Community Hall): recommended action, that is laid out.
1433
03:22:26.390 --> 03:22:28.070Speaker 9 (Community Hall): On the agenda.
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Speaker 9 (Community Hall): Do we have a second?
143503:22:33.180 --> 03:22:38.450Speaker 4 (Community Hall): Second. Okay, thank you, and do we have any further discussion from the council members on this item?
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Speaker 4 (Community Hall): Vice Mayor?
143703:22:40.010 --> 03:22:40.860Speaker 4 (Community Hall): Ew.
143803:22:42.530 --> 03:22:57.680
Speaker 8 (Community Hall): So, the placeworks did our housing element update, so, will they be… will they
be charging us for the work that they have done for the housing element again for this project?
143903:22:59.340 --> 03:23:02.600Speaker 22 (Community Hall): No, this is an entirely different scope of work.
144003:23:02.605 --> 03:23:18.054
Speaker 8 (Community Hall): So they will build on top of the work they have done, done before, right? So
the estimate is about half a million dollars. And, so this is… no net loss is mandated by the state.
144103:23:18.335 --> 03:23:24.924Speaker 8 (Community Hall): And… but there is… is there any funding from the state for any housing element work?
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Speaker 22 (Community Hall): I'm not aware of any for this.
144303:23:28.720 --> 03:23:36.319Speaker 8 (Community Hall): So this is an unfunded mandate by the state, and if we don't do it, we will be in trouble.
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Speaker 22 (Community Hall): We have 180 days under state law to address it. Okay.
144503:23:42.445 --> 03:23:51.864Speaker 8 (Community Hall): How much did we… sorry, I sent in the question late. I'm wondering, how much did we send… spend on the housing element update?
144603:23:53.315 --> 03:23:56.854Speaker 8 (Community Hall): The one we adopted, like, in 2024, yeah.
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Speaker 22 (Community Hall): The entire contract, which is not fully expended because it was for the
housing element, and the safety element update, and objective design standards for mixed-use and multifamily projects.
144803:24:07.995 --> 03:24:12.045Speaker 22 (Community Hall): The total contract amount that was just over $1.2 million.
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Speaker 8 (Community Hall): So that's 1.2 million.
145003:24:17.460 --> 03:24:21.750Speaker 22 (Community Hall): The element and objective design standards are still active projects.
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Speaker 22 (Community Hall): Shit.
145203:24:25.470 --> 03:24:35.739Speaker 8 (Community Hall): And… So this one, an extension will be health of that. Did that include… that included an environmental assessment?
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Speaker 8 (Community Hall): That is correct.
145403:24:37.570 --> 03:24:49.970Speaker 8 (Community Hall): So the $1.2 million is an estimate, but it's still ongoing, right? And this one will include an environmental assessment, or an EIR.
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Speaker 22 (Community Hall): This will not include an environmental assessment. That was reached through
the settlement agreement on the housing element. This has two options, either an addendum
145603:25:01.630 --> 03:25:06.450Speaker 22 (Community Hall): to the general plan EIR, or a standalone EIR.
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Speaker 22 (Community Hall): The dollar amount you're being asked to approve is for a standalone EIR,
which appears to be the more likely of the two options.
145803:25:14.690 --> 03:25:27.390
Speaker 8 (Community Hall): So, the half a million will be… we will be able to do a stand-alone EIR, which
we didn't do for the 2024 adopted housing element. That is correct.
145903:25:27.390 --> 03:25:31.460Speaker 22 (Community Hall): This would be an environmental impact report, and that was an
environmental assessment.
146003:25:33.080 --> 03:25:45.380Speaker 8 (Community Hall): Okay, then what would, be the advantage to the city to have an EIR rather than just the environmental assessment?
146103:25:45.610 --> 03:25:50.110
Speaker 22 (Community Hall): An EIR makes your environmental review more clear.
146203:25:50.520 --> 03:25:55.380Speaker 22 (Community Hall): With the action taken, EIRs can be tiered off of for future development.
146303:25:55.790 --> 03:26:04.160Speaker 22 (Community Hall): They could be deemed to have fully analyzed that development. They give
you a basis under CEQA that the environmental assessment did not.
146403:26:05.220 --> 03:26:10.410Speaker 8 (Community Hall): And, for example, if we have an upcoming new project, on…
146503:26:11.100 --> 03:26:14.540Speaker 8 (Community Hall): What would be different about that new project?
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03:26:15.300 --> 03:26:20.210Speaker 22 (Community Hall): you would likely be able to use the EIR to see if it analyzed
146703:26:20.380 --> 03:26:24.389Speaker 22 (Community Hall): That project fully, and if it did not, you could focus on areas
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Speaker 22 (Community Hall): That you think need further… a further look, rather than starting, say, from ground zero.
146903:26:30.930 --> 03:26:37.930Speaker 22 (Community Hall): the environmental assessment, while it is a lot of information, does not allow us to use it like you do in EIR.
1470
03:26:37.930 --> 03:26:57.129Speaker 8 (Community Hall): And, for example, for the Avilage Court project we just did last week, and it seems we found out kind of late that there are some pits on the site that hasn't been studied. So, would EIR be able to find out about that, or it's different?
147103:26:58.440 --> 03:27:03.869Speaker 22 (Community Hall): all projects would be different in the case of that it qualified for a CEQA exemption.
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Speaker 22 (Community Hall): Just like the project did tonight, so…
147303:27:08.100 --> 03:27:13.040Speaker 22 (Community Hall): having an EIR doesn't mean a project wouldn't qualify for an exemption if it weren't eligible.
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Speaker 8 (Community Hall): But having an EIRS, I remember, when we find the significant unavoidable impact, we would be able to identify mitigation measures that we can adopt, and then future projects will
147503:27:30.010 --> 03:27:33.480Speaker 8 (Community Hall): have to… You implement those.
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Speaker 8 (Community Hall): Adopted mitigation measures, right?
147703:27:36.535 --> 03:27:46.665Speaker 22 (Community Hall): That, that is correct, that you could have mitigation measures that EIR analyzed that carry through to projects that come afterward. Okay, great. Thank you.
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Speaker 8 (Community Hall): So here is a question for the city attorney, though. I…
147903:27:51.350 --> 03:28:10.950Speaker 8 (Community Hall): I don't think we will be able to afford to do a separate process to consider retail. And so, can we include the retail? I look… the scope of work right now doesn't include the retail, so should we still amend it so it's included?
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03:28:11.200 --> 03:28:14.219Speaker 8 (Community Hall): And if we don't amend it, would…
148103:28:14.590 --> 03:28:17.640Speaker 8 (Community Hall): They… would the consultant still be able to do that?
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Speaker 29 (Community Hall): I think I'd have to ask Luke to, opine on that.
148303:28:24.760 --> 03:28:30.649
Speaker 22 (Community Hall): I don't know that I caught the whole thing, but was this, again, going to the
commercial retail discussion?
148403:28:31.590 --> 03:28:36.740Speaker 22 (Community Hall): I think that the scope of work Placeworks has, I mean, this is particularly with
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03:28:37.370 --> 03:28:44.450Speaker 22 (Community Hall): their housing team, and this is to address no net loss, period. That's what their work is.
148603:28:44.455 --> 03:28:54.214Speaker 8 (Community Hall): So, if… I don't… my question is, I don't think we will be able to afford a
separate process that look at,
148703:28:54.675 --> 03:29:02.835Speaker 8 (Community Hall): how to preserve retail zoning. So, what's the possibility of amending this one, so we consider…
148803:29:02.995 --> 03:29:06.765
Speaker 8 (Community Hall): The housing and retail together.
148903:29:07.630 --> 03:29:16.199Speaker 5 (Community Hall): Vice Mayor, I'm gonna suggest again to… we should think about this when we're talking about the retail preservation item, to see if we need to amend the…
149003:29:16.205 --> 03:29:17.305
Speaker 8 (Community Hall): Coming…
149103:29:17.695 --> 03:29:19.935Speaker 5 (Community Hall): That should be coming soon.
149203:29:19.935 --> 03:29:25.065Speaker 8 (Community Hall): outcomes, maybe then we can talk about amending… If need be.
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03:29:25.500 --> 03:29:34.019Speaker 5 (Community Hall): Or… okay. And by then, we'll also look into if that's something that we could possibly do, so we'll bring all options to Council. Okay.
149403:29:35.500 --> 03:29:36.220Speaker 4 (Community Hall): Thank you.
1495
03:29:36.470 --> 03:29:39.509Speaker 4 (Community Hall): Thank you. And with that,
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Speaker 4 (Community Hall): We have a motion and a second. Madam City Clerk, will you please set the vote panel? And we will vote.
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Community Hall: The motion carries with Wong absent.
149803:30:01.410 --> 03:30:02.080Speaker 4 (Community Hall): Alright.
149903:30:02.360 --> 03:30:09.699
Speaker 4 (Community Hall): Thank you. Next we have item 13. These are updates to the Commission's and
Committee's Handbook.
150003:30:09.850 --> 03:30:13.219Speaker 4 (Community Hall): Madam City Manager, do we have a staff report?
150103:30:13.395 --> 03:30:29.324
Speaker 5 (Community Hall): Yes, Mayor, we do, and for this item tonight, the Interim City Attorney, Floyd
Andrews, will review suggested updates to the Commissioner's Handbook. A preview of these were
presented at the Commissioner's Training last week, so with that, I will turn it over to Floyd.
150203:30:32.010 --> 03:30:35.809Speaker 29 (Community Hall): Thank you, City Manager. Good evening, Mayor and Council.
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Speaker 29 (Community Hall): So a few months ago, we had a study session on these items, and, the
direction was to, bring back, a distilled version of the conversation, and that's what I'm presenting today. It's
basically, suggested updates to the Commissioner's Handbook.
150403:30:54.680 --> 03:31:14.220Speaker 29 (Community Hall): And the updates that we're, describing today involve providing, alternates, the possibility of having alternates for commissions. We are also discussing ways to promote broad community participation, and then we'll be talking about,
1505
03:31:14.380 --> 03:31:20.860Speaker 29 (Community Hall): continuing attendance requirements, but having Council approve removals.
150603:31:21.240 --> 03:31:29.539Speaker 29 (Community Hall): And we'll be talking about, recognizing Commissioner autonomy and ensuring commission's actions are fairly presented.
1507
03:31:29.900 --> 03:31:35.170Speaker 29 (Community Hall): Represented. And then we also have general updates prepared by staff.
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Speaker 29 (Community Hall): So, appointing alternates.
150903:31:42.590 --> 03:32:02.980Speaker 29 (Community Hall): So when members miss meetings, oftentimes you have quorum issues, and
then the commission is unable to do business. So, the idea had come up that we would appoint alternates
who, when a commissioner is going to be absent, the chair could seat that alternate, and this alternate could
vote, and then that would help make sure that we had
151003:32:02.980 --> 03:32:13.700Speaker 29 (Community Hall): quorums for our meetings. It also increases community participation, because you have yet another, seat that the community can, participate in, sit in.
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Speaker 29 (Community Hall): And it sort of sets up a potential future commissioner for that commission,
although you would still need to, have a recruitment before you replaced a vacant seat.
151203:32:27.950 --> 03:32:31.009Speaker 29 (Community Hall): I will say that staff suggests that
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Speaker 29 (Community Hall): Appointing alternates will create more work for staff, because you'll have an
extra person for each commission, and that means an extra city email, forms… they will all have to fill out Form 700s, communicating with the extra people, so it's… it's not a complete wash. It is a little bit of extra time for staff.
151403:32:50.630 --> 03:32:57.130
Speaker 29 (Community Hall): And so, but the recommended action is that the Council do appoint alternates
for their commissions.
151503:32:59.480 --> 03:33:16.869Speaker 29 (Community Hall): We also talked about, Council recognized the importance of broad community participation, and, by restricting individuals to serving on only one advisory body, enhances participation by providing greater opportunity to the community.
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Speaker 29 (Community Hall): The new update would discourage, but not forbid individuals from serving on
two advisory bodies. There was a discussion about, in some instances, it makes sense for them to do so.
151703:33:32.360 --> 03:33:50.059Speaker 29 (Community Hall): We talked about attendance requirements. I just basically, the requirements would stay the same, but before somebody is auto… there wouldn't be any automatic removal when somebody missed the, number of meetings. Instead, it would come to the Commission, I mean, the Council,
to make that determination.
151803:33:50.650 --> 03:33:55.000Speaker 29 (Community Hall): Regarding Commissioner Autonomy,
151903:33:55.520 --> 03:34:10.770Speaker 29 (Community Hall): sitting commissioners don't abandon their autonomy and their First Amendment's rights to be able to, you know, express their personal viewpoint. And so we are, suggesting updates to 3 different provisions within the Commissioner's Handbook to address that.
1520
03:34:12.000 --> 03:34:15.000Speaker 29 (Community Hall): One, pertains to,
152103:34:15.990 --> 03:34:28.049Speaker 29 (Community Hall): the Commission's section of the handbook, and it suggests that we remove this paragraph. I'm not sure if it makes sense for me to read the paragraph. I'm happy to do so if that would
make it easier.
152203:34:29.180 --> 03:34:37.689Speaker 29 (Community Hall): Am I saying nobody's nodding? Okay, so we would remove this paragraph, And… We would add this paragraph.
152303:34:37.920 --> 03:34:54.749
Speaker 29 (Community Hall): And maybe I will just quickly read this. Individual Commissioners are at liberty
to express their personal opinions to the City Council on items within the scope of their Commission's
jurisdiction if they clearly state that they are speaking on behalf of themselves only.
152403:34:55.280 --> 03:35:03.459Speaker 29 (Community Hall): The Council appreciates hearing the rationale supporting both the majority position and the minority position, as this enriches the decision-making process.
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Speaker 29 (Community Hall): There was also discussion about potentially adding this next sentence, which
is why it's highlighted. It's something I think we'll need to decide on, because it wasn't clear from the last study session.
152603:35:13.830 --> 03:35:29.010Speaker 29 (Community Hall): However, if the individual commissioner's personal recommendation is
inconsistent with the position taken by the full commission, the individual commissioner should also provide
the City Council with a general description of the full Commission's position.
152703:35:34.540 --> 03:35:38.670Speaker 29 (Community Hall): So I'll keep going, and then we can come back and…
152803:35:38.780 --> 03:35:46.899
Speaker 29 (Community Hall): organized voting, etc. The second, section pertains to recommendations and
reports.
152903:35:47.180 --> 03:35:58.670Speaker 29 (Community Hall): And it would update this section as follows. The Commissioner selected by the
Chair as the Commission Representative should strive to represent the position of the Commission
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03:35:58.670 --> 03:36:10.039
Speaker 29 (Community Hall): as a whole, at the meeting, as necessary, regardless of the Commissioner's personal views. So this pertains specifically to the Commissioner who has been selected to speak on behalf of the Commission.
153103:36:10.040 --> 03:36:16.519
Speaker 29 (Community Hall): They, if they're presenting to the City Council, should be presenting the
majority vote of the Commission.
153203:36:19.170 --> 03:36:25.750Speaker 29 (Community Hall): And then finally, we have a few updates to the use of email section. So this language
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Speaker 29 (Community Hall): on the screen would be removed. I won't read it.
153403:36:30.320 --> 03:36:32.460Speaker 29 (Community Hall): And this language would be added.
153503:36:32.820 --> 03:36:55.460
Speaker 29 (Community Hall): When advocating or discussing a matter within the scope of your
Commission's jurisdiction, ensure that the email cannot be construed as representing the views of the full
Commission, unless the Commission has affirmatively voted to approve the position presented. Please do not
forward or reply to a City email from your personal email address. Once your term on the Commission is over.
153603:36:55.460 --> 03:36:57.610Speaker 29 (Community Hall): Your city email will be terminated.
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03:37:00.730 --> 03:37:06.680
Speaker 29 (Community Hall): So you need to ensure that you're not…
153803:37:06.960 --> 03:37:12.420Speaker 29 (Community Hall): Suggesting that you're representing the views of the full commission when you're not… when you're using your city email.
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Speaker 29 (Community Hall): And the second update would be…
154003:37:15.470 --> 03:37:27.110Speaker 29 (Community Hall): All city emails are subject to the Public Records Act, and you should use your city email… oh, this is removing… this language is to be removed. I'll only read the language to be added in its place.
1541
03:37:28.490 --> 03:37:37.530Speaker 29 (Community Hall): All city emails are subject to the Public Records Act, and you should use your city email to communicate about any matter within the jurisdiction of your commission.
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03:37:38.020 --> 03:37:46.880
Speaker 29 (Community Hall): Emails sent from a personal email account are also subject to the Public
Records Act to the extent they address a matter related to your Commission's jurisdiction.
154303:37:47.230 --> 03:38:03.389Speaker 29 (Community Hall): Please use your city email when so communicating to enhance efficiency and transparency. Please do not forward or reply to a city email from your personal email address. Once your term on the commission is over, your city email will be terminated.
1544
03:38:07.360 --> 03:38:22.050Speaker 29 (Community Hall): And those were the, discussed updates from our last study session. And then we also have, updates, clarifying updates, such as clarifying the roles for staff liaison, commission administrator, and the chair.
154503:38:22.940 --> 03:38:26.570
Speaker 29 (Community Hall): Adding guidelines for hybrid meetings and remote participation.
154603:38:27.140 --> 03:38:30.619Speaker 29 (Community Hall): Including language on Commission work plans.
154703:38:30.980 --> 03:38:35.280Speaker 29 (Community Hall): Details on training requirements, and other administrative updates.
1548
03:38:40.650 --> 03:38:41.550Speaker 29 (Community Hall): Thank you.
154903:38:42.790 --> 03:38:53.670Speaker 4 (Community Hall): Thank you. So, we'll begin first with, Council clarifying questions, and thank you for the report. And I know there was a lot of, details that went into this, and
1550
03:38:53.910 --> 03:38:59.450Speaker 4 (Community Hall): A lot of issues that we were trying to work out and do so as fairly as possible.
155103:39:00.520 --> 03:39:02.759Speaker 4 (Community Hall): So, Councilmember Mohan?
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03:39:05.250 --> 03:39:13.170
Speaker 9 (Community Hall): Thank you. Thank you, Madam City Attorney. I did need a clarification on Update 1.
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Speaker 9 (Community Hall): Where you've added.
155403:39:19.060 --> 03:39:21.809Speaker 9 (Community Hall): You could get that. If you're ready for it, let me know.
1555
03:39:24.850 --> 03:39:26.910Speaker 9 (Community Hall): And that is, in…
155603:39:29.070 --> 03:39:36.339Speaker 9 (Community Hall): There's something in parentheses at the end. However, if the individual commissioner's personal recommendation is inconsistent.
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03:39:36.670 --> 03:39:39.259Speaker 9 (Community Hall): With a position taken by the full commission.
155803:39:39.510 --> 03:39:46.889Speaker 9 (Community Hall): The individual Commissioner should also provide the City Council with a general description of the full Commission's position.
1559
03:39:47.220 --> 03:39:56.340Speaker 9 (Community Hall): So my question is, at that point, is the individual commissioner representing himself or herself as a commissioner, or as
156003:39:56.600 --> 03:40:00.440Speaker 9 (Community Hall): As a resident, or a… Of the community.
1561
03:40:00.445 --> 03:40:05.705Speaker 29 (Community Hall): The way I understand that is a commissioner would say, I'm… this is my personal opinion.
156203:40:05.995 --> 03:40:11.185Speaker 29 (Community Hall): But I should let you know that the commission that I sit on, has voted
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03:40:11.485 --> 03:40:14.715Speaker 29 (Community Hall): to support this alternate viewpoint.
156403:40:14.715 --> 03:40:17.145Speaker 9 (Community Hall): Speaking in my personal capacity? Correct.
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Speaker 9 (Community Hall): Okay, if that's what it's intended to be, I'm good with it. Correct. Thank you.
156603:40:24.680 --> 03:40:30.330
Speaker 4 (Community Hall): Pardon, Councilmember Mohan, are you in support of the however section at
the end? Yes, if…
156703:40:30.335 --> 03:40:32.595Speaker 9 (Community Hall): If that's what it means. Okay.
1568
03:40:32.595 --> 03:40:35.365Speaker 4 (Community Hall): So you would like to see it included. Okay.
156903:40:35.935 --> 03:40:41.264Speaker 4 (Community Hall): Do we have any other clarifying questions? Vice Mayor?
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Speaker 8 (Community Hall): Actually, I would like to see that, however section removed.
157103:40:49.410 --> 03:40:53.370Speaker 8 (Community Hall): I don't think that's really necessary.
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Speaker 8 (Community Hall): Confuse the issue.
157303:40:57.330 --> 03:40:58.010Speaker 8 (Community Hall): Hmm…
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03:40:59.560 --> 03:41:07.839
Speaker 8 (Community Hall): Because when they say they represent themselves, it's their own opinion. I
don't think it's necessary for them to…
157503:41:07.910 --> 03:41:17.010Speaker 8 (Community Hall): have a… describe the gen… to have a general description of the four commissions position, because when they talk to the Council, we all…
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03:41:17.010 --> 03:41:33.159
Speaker 8 (Community Hall): No, and sometimes these general des… sometimes the recommendation might
be pretty low. The general description might not capture it accurately, and then people might complain, right? So, that's sufficient just to say this is my personal opinion.
157703:41:34.410 --> 03:41:38.529Speaker 8 (Community Hall): So I don't think that, part is necessary.
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Speaker 8 (Community Hall): Yeah, I have other, more minor comments, I think I'll do that later, yeah.
157903:41:48.700 --> 03:41:52.929
Speaker 4 (Community Hall): To your point, Vice Mayor, I would…
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03:41:53.180 --> 03:42:12.789
Speaker 4 (Community Hall): perhaps as a question for the City Attorney, if… if you were… if one was the chair of the Planning Commission, and you agreed with what the Planning Commission voted on something, you could come to the Council, and correct me if I'm wrong, but you could come to the Council and say the
158103:42:12.900 --> 03:42:28.870
Speaker 4 (Community Hall): Planning Commission voted 3-2 in favor of this item, and I'm strongly in
support of it, and I just wanted you to know, so that's perfectly acceptable. Yes, yes. Okay. But is there
something that says,
158203:42:29.830 --> 03:42:39.779Speaker 4 (Community Hall): that I'm… I'm here representing myself only, and I strongly oppose this position.
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03:42:39.960 --> 03:42:48.550
Speaker 4 (Community Hall): Is that… right? You can't… are we saying that you cannot be the… the chair of
the Planning Commission and say,
158403:42:48.890 --> 03:42:58.689Speaker 4 (Community Hall): identify yourself as such, and then say, I'm strongly in opposition to this, to this item. Is that…
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Speaker 12 (Community Hall): If you.
158603:42:59.430 --> 03:43:02.400Speaker 29 (Community Hall): Leave out the highlighted language, then you could do that.
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03:43:02.630 --> 03:43:16.260
Speaker 29 (Community Hall): But if you include the highlighted language, you would have to say, I'm the
chair of the planning commission, and my personal viewpoint is X, but I should also say that the, you know, the planning commission I'm the chair of, voted in the opposite.
158803:43:18.280 --> 03:43:36.059Speaker 4 (Community Hall): Okay, hold on, I'm not quite sure I'm catching this. So, what the way this is saying is that this ad is that, an individual commissioner can, say their own personal opinions as long as they
say they're speaking on behalf of themselves only.
158903:43:36.290 --> 03:43:42.820Speaker 4 (Community Hall): Okay. That's the first part. Okay, so if we leave out the however part at the end,
159003:43:43.230 --> 03:44:02.069
Speaker 4 (Community Hall): And the… so if… so the individual can go either way. If I'm saying I'm speaking
on behalf of myself only, I'm not using my title, and I support what the Commission voted for, the majority
voted for, or you can say, I oppose what they… what they voted for, you're good.
159103:44:02.070 --> 03:44:06.450Speaker 4 (Community Hall): Either way. But if you're going to use the title,
1592
03:44:06.730 --> 03:44:15.359Speaker 4 (Community Hall): that's… that's not what this is addressing. If you're using the title, you can really only say, I'm in support of what the majority voted for.
159303:44:15.360 --> 03:44:21.779Speaker 29 (Community Hall): I am not making a distinction between using the title and not using the title.
1594
03:44:21.880 --> 03:44:23.230Speaker 29 (Community Hall): I'm…
159503:44:23.230 --> 03:44:45.470Speaker 29 (Community Hall): Oftentimes people say, I'm a member of the Housing Commission, but I'm speaking on behalf of myself alone. Right, that's… So now you fall within this section. If instead you're the
chair of the Housing Commission, and you show up and say, I'm the chair of the Housing Commission, and
this is what I personally believe, there you're using personally again, but by the way, the Housing
Commission voted the other way.
159603:44:45.470 --> 03:44:51.939Speaker 29 (Community Hall): I think you're still within the bounds of this. But if you say, I'm the chair of the Planning Commission, and
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03:44:52.110 --> 03:44:53.839
Speaker 29 (Community Hall): I voted for X.
159803:44:55.380 --> 03:45:05.539Speaker 29 (Community Hall): then you're not saying… it's your own personal opinion, you're saying you're the chair and you voted for X, and I think you're suggesting that that's probably what the Planning Commission did, too.
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03:45:05.545 --> 03:45:18.224
Speaker 4 (Community Hall): Okay. Well, what I'm saying is that it is okay for the Planning Commission Chair, if they voted for something, the majority voted for it, for them to come and let us know that. Yes. Yeah, perfectly fine. Okay.
160003:45:19.225 --> 03:45:24.085
Speaker 4 (Community Hall): So I'm not sure that we necessarily need the bracketed section.
1601
03:45:24.695 --> 03:45:25.495Speaker 4 (Community Hall): Okay.
1602
03:45:27.095 --> 03:45:30.454Speaker 4 (Community Hall): Are there any further clarifying questions at this point?
1603
03:45:30.835 --> 03:45:32.715
Speaker 4 (Community Hall): Councilmember Fruen.
160403:45:33.920 --> 03:45:38.409Speaker 7 (Community Hall): Turning to update 3A, if we can go there for a moment.
160503:45:42.860 --> 03:45:51.620
Speaker 7 (Community Hall): So, this line finishes, ensure that the email cannot be construed as
representing the views of the full commission.
160603:45:52.420 --> 03:46:02.829Speaker 7 (Community Hall): I don't see in this… A means for encapsulating representation, especially for an email to the outside.
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03:46:03.000 --> 03:46:05.099
Speaker 7 (Community Hall): Of the organization.
160803:46:05.380 --> 03:46:20.729Speaker 7 (Community Hall): the city's position, because I could see somebody outside of the city of Cupertino, say, an email going to some other public agency somewhere, misconstruing what a commissioner is, for example, and assuming that that's staff
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03:46:21.040 --> 03:46:27.779
Speaker 7 (Community Hall): And that that's the position of the city. So, is there a way that we can amend
this language to
161003:46:27.900 --> 03:46:30.970Speaker 7 (Community Hall): perhaps embrace that concept. Sort of the however.
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03:46:30.975 --> 03:46:33.485
Speaker 29 (Community Hall): language from the earlier one.
161203:46:33.485 --> 03:46:41.164Speaker 7 (Community Hall): Something along those lines, just so that it's clear that it's not the position of the city. Got it. Yes.
1613
03:46:42.145 --> 03:46:50.005
Speaker 7 (Community Hall): Because even if the commission voted in favor of that, like I said, it might not
be clear to someone on the outside that a commissioner is an appointee.
161403:46:50.135 --> 03:46:57.675
Speaker 7 (Community Hall): of the City Council, and generally speaking, is acting in an advisory capacity
and is not a staff member, for example, trying to coordinate a response.
161503:46:57.675 --> 03:47:02.664Speaker 29 (Community Hall): So you're saying that even if their commission voted in favor of the position
that they're
161603:47:03.045 --> 03:47:11.914Speaker 29 (Community Hall): moving forward in the email, they still should have the requirement that they say something like, I'm just a commissioner.
161703:47:11.915 --> 03:47:23.254
Speaker 7 (Community Hall): It could even be boilerplate that you just suggest that they can paste in. Easy.
They don't have to stress over what's gonna get them in trouble, what's not, and it's just there.
161803:47:24.800 --> 03:47:34.820Speaker 29 (Community Hall): We could add that, like, two sent… I don't know what it would be, a couple of sentences that would be boilerplate, always put this on your email if you're going to be sending it out into the world. Sure. Yeah.
1619
03:47:40.240 --> 03:47:41.130
Speaker 4 (Community Hall): Vice Mayor?
162003:47:42.920 --> 03:47:44.690Speaker 8 (Community Hall): Oh, yeah.
1621
03:47:47.200 --> 03:47:53.460
Speaker 8 (Community Hall): So… I guess this is… Kind of, like,
162203:47:53.720 --> 03:47:57.070Speaker 8 (Community Hall): Okay, so I guess I'll sh- it's easier to share the screen.
162303:47:59.700 --> 03:48:03.350
Speaker 8 (Community Hall): This is another section of the…
162403:48:04.960 --> 03:48:12.630Speaker 8 (Community Hall): This is another section screenshotted from the staff report. It says the recommendation…
162503:48:14.930 --> 03:48:20.629
Speaker 8 (Community Hall): Maybe easier if, actually, we read the entire… the original section.
162603:48:22.940 --> 03:48:23.840Speaker 30 (Community Hall): Let me…
1627
03:48:24.730 --> 03:48:26.190Speaker 29 (Community Hall): Which section are you looking at?
1628
03:48:27.000 --> 03:48:35.799
Speaker 8 (Community Hall): The… the section about the… when they actually represent the Commission to
speak.
162903:48:38.150 --> 03:48:46.340Speaker 8 (Community Hall): I kind of feel… It's a little awkward there. Okay, so this is a section.
1630
03:48:49.350 --> 03:48:51.750
Speaker 8 (Community Hall): So the chair… does anybody see it?
163103:48:51.750 --> 03:48:53.080Speaker 29 (Community Hall): that on their screen.
163203:48:53.615 --> 03:48:54.385
Speaker 30 (Community Hall): C?
1633
03:48:54.390 --> 03:48:57.759Speaker 4 (Community Hall): No, I believe it's recommendations and reports to Council.
163403:48:58.410 --> 03:49:03.570Speaker 8 (Community Hall): Sorry, I think I… I lost that.
1635
03:49:03.950 --> 03:49:05.589
Speaker 8 (Community Hall): How do I stop sharing, though?
163603:49:06.860 --> 03:49:08.890Speaker 8 (Community Hall): Oh, here. This one.
1637
03:49:09.470 --> 03:49:11.770
Speaker 8 (Community Hall): I feel… there's… Are you there?
163803:49:13.620 --> 03:49:14.650Speaker 12 (Community Hall): Oh, here it is.
1639
03:49:19.430 --> 03:49:28.800
Speaker 8 (Community Hall): So the chair shall select a member to represent the Commission at this council
meeting, where a commission recommendation is agendized for discussion.
164003:49:30.970 --> 03:49:32.770Speaker 8 (Community Hall): The commissioner…
164103:49:35.920 --> 03:49:40.949Speaker 8 (Community Hall): I kind of feel this… suck, suck the centers.
1642
03:49:42.280 --> 03:49:52.859
Speaker 8 (Community Hall): It's… long… It's… As necessary, regardless of their commissioner's view.
164303:49:53.410 --> 03:50:03.229Speaker 8 (Community Hall): I don't think that's necessary to even put it there. When they represent a commission, they should just represent the position of
1644
03:50:03.590 --> 03:50:04.890
Speaker 8 (Community Hall): the Commission.
164503:50:05.470 --> 03:50:08.639Speaker 8 (Community Hall): at… Not even Thrive 2.
1646
03:50:10.570 --> 03:50:16.410
Speaker 8 (Community Hall): So it should be just the commissioner representing the commission.
164703:50:16.620 --> 03:50:23.009Speaker 8 (Community Hall): Should, the commissioner selected should represent the position of the commission as a whole.
1648
03:50:23.440 --> 03:50:25.389
Speaker 8 (Community Hall): At the meeting. That's it.
164903:50:28.690 --> 03:50:38.760Speaker 8 (Community Hall): Yeah, we can do that. Yeah, because the other things are really not necessary, and it's already clarified. If you understand your personal point, what do you do?
1650
03:50:38.870 --> 03:50:41.529
Speaker 8 (Community Hall): And adding it here.
165103:50:41.880 --> 03:50:46.370Speaker 29 (Community Hall): So you're saying just put a period after a meeting and get rid of the rest of that sentence?
1652
03:50:48.130 --> 03:50:54.529
Speaker 8 (Community Hall): Yeah, and then you probably don't even need to say that, just the
commissioner selected.
165303:50:55.430 --> 03:51:04.059Speaker 29 (Community Hall): by the Chair as the Commission representative, should strive to represent the
position of the Commission as a whole at the meeting, period.
1654
03:51:04.775 --> 03:51:10.385
Speaker 8 (Community Hall): should… just should… should represent. It shouldn't even thrive. No? Okay.
165503:51:11.370 --> 03:51:11.970Speaker 30 (Community Hall): Yeah.
1656
03:51:12.610 --> 03:51:27.190
Speaker 4 (Community Hall): A separate issue, I wouldn't strike the selected by the chair, because that gives
a process for how somebody that's going to be represented gets selected. So if you… if you're going to remove selected by the chair, if you're really.
165703:51:27.195 --> 03:51:35.375Speaker 8 (Community Hall): Because I think that's already mentioned in the previous sentence. It's kind of
repetitive, but you want to be sure, that's fine.
1658
03:51:35.785 --> 03:51:36.274Speaker 8 (Community Hall): Well, the.
165903:51:36.280 --> 03:51:39.729Speaker 29 (Community Hall): This is the person, the chair is selecting this member.
1660
03:51:40.020 --> 03:51:43.610
Speaker 29 (Community Hall): And this member has a heightened responsibility, then, too.
166103:51:44.020 --> 03:51:47.159Speaker 29 (Community Hall): Yeah. Represent what the Commission.
1662
03:51:48.380 --> 03:51:53.090
Speaker 4 (Community Hall): Yeah, I'm not sure we're changing the meaning here, significantly.
166303:51:53.095 --> 03:51:58.174Speaker 8 (Community Hall): It doesn't matter, I just feel it's kind of repetitive, but it's okay to keep it.
1664
03:51:58.620 --> 03:52:03.550
Speaker 29 (Community Hall): Understood. I'm… I… I… I think either way is fine.
166503:52:03.840 --> 03:52:04.510Speaker 29 (Community Hall): I think maybe.
166603:52:04.515 --> 03:52:23.855
Speaker 9 (Community Hall): just remove the stripe, too. The Commissioner selected by the chair as the
Commission representative should represent the position of the Commission as a whole at the meeting. I
think so. I'm okay with as necessary, regardless of the Commissioner's personal views, because that's just
enforcing, reiterating what we've said earlier.
166703:52:24.330 --> 03:52:32.689Speaker 8 (Community Hall): The main thing is, I think the part after as necessary, I don't think it's
necessary. Because it's covered in other sections.
166803:52:35.680 --> 03:52:41.530Speaker 8 (Community Hall): And the other part, I, either way is fine, yeah.
166903:52:41.760 --> 03:52:42.350Speaker 8 (Community Hall): Okay.
1670
03:52:42.350 --> 03:52:48.520Speaker 9 (Community Hall): No, my only comment was about the strive, too. We shouldn't be just trying, we should really actually represent.
167103:52:50.400 --> 03:52:51.650Speaker 4 (Community Hall): I would agree with that.
1672
03:52:52.350 --> 03:52:53.830Speaker 8 (Community Hall): Okay. Yeah.
167303:52:53.940 --> 03:52:54.990Speaker 8 (Community Hall): Okay.
1674
03:52:55.470 --> 03:52:56.430
Speaker 30 (Community Hall): Yeah, okay.
167503:52:56.435 --> 03:53:01.725Speaker 4 (Community Hall): Straw Paul says, remove Strive. They will do it. Right.
1676
03:53:01.725 --> 03:53:04.155
Speaker 8 (Community Hall): We'll take your percentage, right?
167703:53:04.160 --> 03:53:11.429Speaker 29 (Community Hall): And then what about the, the clause at the end, where after, you know, the as necessary, beginning with as necessary?
1678
03:53:15.550 --> 03:53:30.199
Speaker 7 (Community Hall): Through the Mayor? Please. Yeah, I think it's fine. The reason I think it's fine is
that it just reinforces what the prior meaning is. So if you had any question about it, I think it makes it a lot clearer. You know, there's always a tension between concision and precision. This is more precise.
1679
03:53:31.360 --> 03:53:32.430
Speaker 30 (Community Hall): Very well.
168003:53:33.870 --> 03:53:39.989Speaker 4 (Community Hall): I do have a question about the however clause. Did we get consensus about
whether to…
168103:53:40.180 --> 03:53:51.160Speaker 4 (Community Hall): I'm… I'm leaning more towards, on the prior one, to remove that bolded, bracketed section, and I believe the… the Vice Mayor
168203:53:51.350 --> 03:53:58.450
Speaker 4 (Community Hall): was in support of that, but I believe Councilmember Mohan, this was Update 1.
Yeah.
168303:53:58.970 --> 03:54:01.250Speaker 4 (Community Hall): Was in favor of it, and…
168403:54:02.030 --> 03:54:06.320
Speaker 9 (Community Hall): At least. You know, I just think if we say the same thing in different
168503:54:06.710 --> 03:54:19.880Speaker 9 (Community Hall): language, there's no harm done, it just reinforces the basic idea that… and in this, in Update 1, we're saying individual commissioners representing themselves can say what they want.
168603:54:20.180 --> 03:54:22.980
Speaker 9 (Community Hall): But if you're a commissioner, then you…
168703:54:23.090 --> 03:54:26.340Speaker 9 (Community Hall): Represent the position taken by the… Majority.
168803:54:26.345 --> 03:54:43.275Speaker 8 (Community Hall): Not exactly. The bracketed section. The main issue is, if your opinion is
inconsistent with the position, you have to provide a general description of the four commissions position.
That, I think, is very hard to do, and it's not necessary.
168903:54:44.345 --> 03:54:49.625Speaker 8 (Community Hall): That's the main, idea for that. I don't know.
169003:54:49.630 --> 03:55:00.309
Speaker 7 (Community Hall): If I might, Mayor. Councilmember Fruen? The… the one thing I'll note here is
that it is phrased in, the subjunctive as should.
169103:55:00.750 --> 03:55:07.529Speaker 7 (Community Hall): So, I don't think it is a requirement. It is asking you to try to do that.
169203:55:08.770 --> 03:55:17.599Speaker 8 (Community Hall): But I don't think it's… try to even do that. Just say, this isn't my personal opinion.
1693
03:55:18.740 --> 03:55:25.830
Speaker 4 (Community Hall): Councilmember Fruan, we kind of have a split vote on here. Yeah. What do you have to say?
169403:55:25.835 --> 03:55:37.055Speaker 7 (Community Hall): I will say this. I think the most important thing is that people are disclaiming, the title when they are trying to…
1695
03:55:37.605 --> 03:55:42.854Speaker 7 (Community Hall): Express their personal opinion, and as long as they are doing that, that is the most important thing.
169603:55:43.145 --> 03:55:48.544Speaker 7 (Community Hall): We have a separate procedure for when They're there to represent
1697
03:55:48.675 --> 03:55:53.565Speaker 7 (Community Hall): the commission, because they're the designated person. We just covered that.
169803:55:53.665 --> 03:56:00.075Speaker 7 (Community Hall): So is there some redundancy in this? Sure, I think that's mostly harmless.
1699
03:56:00.935 --> 03:56:02.045
Speaker 8 (Community Hall): That's too confusing.
170003:56:02.435 --> 03:56:20.345Speaker 7 (Community Hall): I don't think it creates confusion. You know, if someone is just being asked to say, by the way, the Commission felt somewhat differently, they said this, here's why I feel this way, it might even always generally tend to get included, because you're probably going to try to rebut the position that
was taken by the Commission as a whole.
170103:56:20.435 --> 03:56:29.365Speaker 7 (Community Hall): I'll just say that the thing that I actually care about the most in terms of the changes that we might make is the one that I described to the city attorney earlier in 3A.
170203:56:29.385 --> 03:56:44.724
Speaker 7 (Community Hall): I think it's really important that when there's email that's going outside of the
city, that it's really clear that this is, you know, that a commissioner has a particular position and is not a
staff member who is trying to coordinate some sort of activity.
170303:56:45.830 --> 03:56:54.970
Speaker 4 (Community Hall): Okay, I think we might be ready to go for public comment at this time. Hey,
Madam City Clerk, do we have any members of the public who'd like to comment on this item?
170403:56:57.650 --> 03:57:04.680Speaker 11 (Community Hall): Mayor, I do not see any requests to speak in person, but I do see one hand
raised virtually, so we will go there. Welcome, San.
170503:57:07.340 --> 03:57:13.540San Rao: Good evening, Mayor Moore, Council Members, and Vice Mayor Chao, speaking on behalf of myself only as a resident.
170603:57:13.850 --> 03:57:22.509
San Rao: I strongly object to this new addition that is being proposed, the reason being that the
Commissioner's Handbook states that
170703:57:22.910 --> 03:57:35.360San Rao: or the Council Procedures Handbook states, I think in 4.2 or something like that, that the chair of a commission shall attend the council meeting if an item that was heard at the Commission is being presented.
1708
03:57:35.510 --> 03:57:37.429
San Rao: on the Council agenda.
170903:57:37.530 --> 03:57:44.199San Rao: And it further says that the chair or a member appointed by the chair. And so you already have the chair.
1710
03:57:44.340 --> 03:57:48.339
San Rao: Supposed to be present, to cover the view of the Commission.
171103:57:48.570 --> 03:57:55.380San Rao: And if the chair cannot be there, the chair is supposed to either send the vice chair or a person from the commission that they appoint.
1712
03:57:55.910 --> 03:57:59.180
San Rao: Through my tenure as chair, I was… Pleasant.
171303:57:59.320 --> 03:58:02.270San Rao: And I let Council know that I was present.
171403:58:02.490 --> 03:58:04.590
San Rao: And I would be available to answer questions.
171503:58:05.040 --> 03:58:08.390San Rao: And I would expect that that's the case with any commission that comes.
1716
03:58:08.500 --> 03:58:13.340San Rao: to your consideration, including, for example, the Art and Culture Commission, where the art chair.
1717
03:58:13.440 --> 03:58:22.319
San Rao: was present. And so, I'm… I'm strongly objecting to your imposing these burdens on
commissioners when they speak as restaurants.
171803:58:22.490 --> 03:58:27.599San Rao: Furthermore, by imposing these burdens, that eats into their public comment time.
1719
03:58:27.750 --> 03:58:38.390
San Rao: So, are you going to double the public comment time? So if I have 3 minutes, you're now going to
give me 6 minutes, so I may spend 3 minutes speaking on behalf of myself as the resident, and then spend
another 3 minutes then…
172003:58:38.590 --> 03:58:55.729San Rao: Confirming or contradicting myself and speaking on behalf of the Commission, because you cannot eat into my 3 minutes expecting me to speak as a commissioner when I'm there to represent myself as a resident only. And so, unless you're going to give me 6 minutes, I would strongly object to this change.
1721
03:58:55.870 --> 03:58:56.970San Rao: Furthermore.
172203:58:57.260 --> 03:59:02.779San Rao: What problem are we really trying to solve? It's not clear to me. I would also encourage you to…
1723
03:59:03.970 --> 03:59:08.810
San Rao: take a fine-tooth comb to these changes, some of the changes that are proposed.
172403:59:09.160 --> 03:59:15.949San Rao: You know, bring in language, for example, such as, a chair shall speak with the staff liaison.
1725
03:59:16.310 --> 03:59:18.420
San Rao: That sentence would not exist before.
172603:59:18.560 --> 03:59:25.240San Rao: So by adding that sentence, are we saying that the chair can no longer speak to the director or the assistant director of the department they're working with?
1727
03:59:25.760 --> 03:59:31.630
San Rao: So, so let's, let's be… Thoughtful about why a sentence is added, and let us be
172803:59:31.740 --> 03:59:35.810San Rao: Minimalist in these editions, because if you did not have it before.
172903:59:37.170 --> 03:59:47.619San Rao: what problem are you solving that you need to add it now? So let's be really, really thoughtful. At this… at this point in time, I do not see any problem with a,
1730
03:59:47.920 --> 04:00:03.620
San Rao: with a chair consulting the director or the assistant director, and there is no reason to put in language that says the chair shall consult with the staff liaison, as in cannot speak to anyone else but the staff liaison. So, that's all I have thinking.
173104:00:05.610 --> 04:00:08.760Speaker 11 (Community Hall): Thank you, San. Mayor, that concludes the request to speak on this item.
1732
04:00:10.740 --> 04:00:13.690Speaker 4 (Community Hall): Right, thank you. So at this time, do we have…
173304:00:14.160 --> 04:00:18.399Speaker 4 (Community Hall): motion, ready by any members of the Council.
1734
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Speaker 30 (Community Hall): Vice Mayor.
173504:00:20.965 --> 04:00:30.695Speaker 8 (Community Hall): I'll make a motion to approve the staff recommendation with some modifications.
1736
04:00:33.185 --> 04:00:35.735
Speaker 8 (Community Hall): So the first one…
173704:00:36.580 --> 04:00:39.280Speaker 30 (Community Hall): this… Me too.
1738
04:00:39.530 --> 04:00:40.230
Speaker 30 (Community Hall): Don't know.
173904:00:43.320 --> 04:00:46.340Speaker 30 (Community Hall): share this… Okay.
1740
04:00:47.240 --> 04:00:53.949
Speaker 8 (Community Hall): So the first one is, I think the bracket to the version, that portion should be
removed,
174104:00:54.160 --> 04:01:00.150Speaker 8 (Community Hall): It's, not really necessary, and yeah.
174204:01:00.350 --> 04:01:05.600Speaker 8 (Community Hall): And then the second one is, this one.
1743
04:01:05.750 --> 04:01:12.230
Speaker 8 (Community Hall): So I think we should just remove the as necessary, regardless of
Commissioner's personal views.
174404:01:12.960 --> 04:01:14.760Speaker 8 (Community Hall): Because this is…
1745
04:01:14.860 --> 04:01:23.070
Speaker 8 (Community Hall): when they are representing a commission, they are representing the
commission. And we already said what they should do when they represent their personal view.
174604:01:23.480 --> 04:01:26.889Speaker 8 (Community Hall): And just for reference, this is…
1747
04:01:27.220 --> 04:01:31.490
Speaker 8 (Community Hall): from… screenshot from the Council Procedures menu.
174804:01:32.010 --> 04:01:32.940Speaker 8 (Community Hall): Boom.
1749
04:01:33.170 --> 04:01:36.970
Speaker 8 (Community Hall): So I think it's consistent, I don't think it's not consistent.
175004:01:38.470 --> 04:01:45.769Speaker 8 (Community Hall): Mmm… for the third one. This third one, I think…
175104:01:46.780 --> 04:01:49.850
Speaker 8 (Community Hall): This is a portion regarding emails.
1752
04:01:51.410 --> 04:01:59.200Speaker 8 (Community Hall): I… I hope to, remove this unless the Commission has affirmatively voted to approve the position.
175304:01:59.430 --> 04:02:00.950
Speaker 8 (Community Hall): presented,
1754
04:02:04.030 --> 04:02:17.530Speaker 8 (Community Hall): I think it's just that you need to ensure the email cannot be construed as representing the views of the Pro Commission, that's it. If they have voted or not. If they are… you are representing the Commission, you are representing the Commission.
175504:02:17.820 --> 04:02:22.220Speaker 8 (Community Hall): So when you are advocating or discussing a matter, you are representing yourself.
1756
04:02:25.730 --> 04:02:35.060
Speaker 8 (Community Hall): And… but Councilmember Fullen would like to add something here about communicating to the public agency. Do you have some language you are proposing?
175704:02:35.915 --> 04:02:36.565Speaker 30 (Community Hall): I bet.
1758
04:02:36.565 --> 04:02:44.834
Speaker 7 (Community Hall): I don't have… through the mayor, I don't have any specific language, but I'd be happy to just empower the city attorney to develop the language.
175904:02:48.400 --> 04:02:49.620Speaker 30 (Community Hall): Okay…
1760
04:02:54.440 --> 04:03:02.310
Speaker 8 (Community Hall): So, to clarify, the communication.
176104:03:02.550 --> 04:03:05.730Speaker 8 (Community Hall): How to… how to communicate.
1762
04:03:06.630 --> 04:03:09.620
Speaker 30 (Community Hall): with other agencies.
176304:03:09.620 --> 04:03:12.429Speaker 29 (Community Hall): My understanding of,
1764
04:03:12.670 --> 04:03:20.810
Speaker 29 (Community Hall): The councilman's comment was that we would come up with sort of a
boilerplate statement that would be attached, basically, to all emails that went out.
176504:03:23.040 --> 04:03:35.669Speaker 29 (Community Hall): Which we can do. I would like to take some time offline to get it right, and not come up with it at this moment, but we can add, you know, a couple of sentences that everybody's expected to have attached to their emails.
1766
04:03:37.740 --> 04:03:40.430
Speaker 7 (Community Hall): So I think the addition there would just be to…
176704:03:40.540 --> 04:03:43.360
Speaker 7 (Community Hall): Delegate to you the development of that text.
1768
04:03:44.880 --> 04:03:46.980
Speaker 8 (Community Hall): Yeah, so is that okay?
176904:03:48.570 --> 04:03:56.550Speaker 5 (Community Hall): Through the Mayor, just for, for the alternative, alternate section,
1770
04:03:57.080 --> 04:04:08.950
Speaker 5 (Community Hall): if the added language for this section is going to come back to Council, and if
we may have a little bit of time to understand what the additional staff time might look like for the alternate model.
177104:04:09.190 --> 04:04:14.810Speaker 5 (Community Hall): I just wanted to throw it out there if we can perhaps bring that at the next
round as well.
1772
04:04:15.660 --> 04:04:34.290Speaker 29 (Community Hall): I'm hoping that we can actually organize action and vote on it today, and it could be that we don't include alternates, and we could vote on that today. What I'd like to see is us vote on each of these, either separately or as a package, but kind of move through each one and get actual action so we can move forward and not come back.
1773
04:04:37.330 --> 04:04:38.060
Speaker 8 (Community Hall): Okay.
177404:04:38.360 --> 04:04:51.710Speaker 8 (Community Hall): So, maybe, can I first get a second for… I think, one… 2… 3… 4 items.
1775
04:04:52.210 --> 04:04:54.580
Speaker 8 (Community Hall): Four modifications so far.
177604:04:58.890 --> 04:05:01.070Speaker 30 (Community Hall): This is huge.
177704:05:02.320 --> 04:05:12.110
Speaker 4 (Community Hall): I'd like to kind of conduct a straw poll on the removal of the however clause. Is
that something that's going to cause this, the whole motion to fail?
177804:05:12.280 --> 04:05:16.240Speaker 4 (Community Hall): If anyone would care to share their thoughts on that?
177904:05:25.300 --> 04:05:32.089
Speaker 9 (Community Hall): I actually didn't think there was any harm done by leaving it as it is. It just
reinforces what we said earlier.
178004:05:33.260 --> 04:05:36.299Speaker 4 (Community Hall): I tend to agree with that.
1781
04:05:36.300 --> 04:05:39.469
Speaker 7 (Community Hall): And like I said, the fact that it's sort of…
178204:05:40.860 --> 04:05:48.120Speaker 7 (Community Hall): you know, subjunctive. I think it means that it's advisory, and I don't think we can actually hold someone to it.
1783
04:05:49.810 --> 04:06:06.329
Speaker 8 (Community Hall): I feel very strongly that should be removed, because how can you expect
someone making a 3-minute, sometimes 1 minute, or 2 minute comment to say, this is my opinion, but then here is a general description of the four commissions' view? That's not possible.
178404:06:07.030 --> 04:06:16.589Speaker 7 (Community Hall): Through the Mayor, I don't think it asks them to do that. I think it asks them to offer a general view of what the Commission said, and that could be something as simple as.
1785
04:06:16.900 --> 04:06:20.130Speaker 7 (Community Hall): Commission took an approval view, and it could be as simple.
178604:06:20.135 --> 04:06:26.565Speaker 8 (Community Hall): of that. Maybe then the individual commissioner should be encouraged to provide.
1787
04:06:26.785 --> 04:06:38.325Speaker 8 (Community Hall): A general description? Because this here says, should also provide. It should… yeah, it's not shall, but it's still pretty strong. So, you know, you should do it.
178804:06:41.100 --> 04:06:45.930Speaker 9 (Community Hall): Well, that's just a way of saying, this is my position, and this is the council's
position.
178904:06:45.935 --> 04:06:52.894Speaker 8 (Community Hall): that the commissioner represent… selected by chair, should represent the position, they don't have to.
179004:06:53.165 --> 04:06:55.275
Speaker 8 (Community Hall): If you are using the same logic.
179104:06:57.000 --> 04:07:01.290Speaker 9 (Community Hall): Not presenting it, but stating that he or she
1792
04:07:01.700 --> 04:07:09.380Speaker 9 (Community Hall): Is… is in opposition to… The Commission's position.
1793
04:07:09.740 --> 04:07:14.390
Speaker 8 (Community Hall): But here, the main thing here is, is requiring
179404:07:14.600 --> 04:07:21.629Speaker 8 (Community Hall): the Commissioner to provide a general description of the full Commissioner Shin's position.
1795
04:07:21.780 --> 04:07:31.030
Speaker 8 (Community Hall): It's not just stating, I'm… my opinion is in opposition to the Commission's view.
It's asking to
179604:07:31.320 --> 04:07:33.690Speaker 8 (Community Hall): Provide a general description.
1797
04:07:33.840 --> 04:07:44.730
Speaker 8 (Community Hall): That, I think, is a big ask. And it says should provide. That's a big ask. If you
are saying should provide is not binding, then you are saying the next one.
179804:07:44.880 --> 04:07:52.979Speaker 8 (Community Hall): The commissioner selected by chair to represent the committee should represent the position of the commission. It's not binding.
1799
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Speaker 5 (Community Hall): May I offer a suggestion? Please. Yeah. Would it be helpful if it said, can you
scroll up again, Vice Mayor, to where it says the however part? Yeah.
180004:08:05.720 --> 04:08:11.720Speaker 5 (Community Hall): What if it said something like the individual commissioner
1801
04:08:12.570 --> 04:08:22.330
Speaker 5 (Community Hall): the Council, you know, the council appreciate rationale, however the individual
commissioner, should state if their position is inconsistent.
180204:08:22.470 --> 04:08:25.520Speaker 5 (Community Hall): With the full commission's position.
1803
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Speaker 9 (Community Hall): That's it.
180404:08:26.635 --> 04:08:28.734Speaker 8 (Community Hall): Yeah, period. Period. Yeah. Would that work?
180504:08:29.245 --> 04:08:30.135Speaker 8 (Community Hall): Dao.
1806
04:08:30.725 --> 04:08:31.834
Speaker 8 (Community Hall): how it works.
180704:08:33.580 --> 04:08:39.690Speaker 29 (Community Hall): That's… I'm… I'm agnostic on all of this, but I think that works, yeah?
1808
04:08:39.850 --> 04:08:41.190
Speaker 29 (Community Hall): That's what kind of secret.
180904:08:41.190 --> 04:08:41.710Speaker 30 (Community Hall): Good.
181004:08:42.325 --> 04:08:45.614
Speaker 7 (Community Hall): Yeah, I think that's fine. Yeah. Okay.
1811
04:08:45.925 --> 04:08:47.115Speaker 7 (Community Hall): So…
181204:08:49.570 --> 04:08:52.879Speaker 4 (Community Hall): Can that be encapsulated in your motion, then? Yeah.
1813
04:08:53.345 --> 04:08:59.785
Speaker 8 (Community Hall): So, it will just be… the individual…
181404:09:04.445 --> 04:09:05.675Speaker 8 (Community Hall): Nurse.
1815
04:09:05.785 --> 04:09:10.775
Speaker 8 (Community Hall): Personal… Shoot.
181604:09:13.865 --> 04:09:20.305Speaker 8 (Community Hall): Date if their opinion is inconsistent.
1817
04:09:21.220 --> 04:09:23.700
Speaker 30 (Community Hall): waste, food.
181804:09:26.110 --> 04:09:27.990Speaker 8 (Community Hall): She'll recognize, maybe.
1819
04:09:33.220 --> 04:09:36.220Speaker 8 (Community Hall): Yeah? Yeah. Is that okay? Yeah.
1820
04:09:37.530 --> 04:09:46.510
Speaker 8 (Community Hall): So that's… and then the second one is the… the way we move drive to sugar
present, and remove the as necessary.
182104:09:46.910 --> 04:09:49.359Speaker 8 (Community Hall): Yeah, this is okay.
1822
04:09:49.670 --> 04:09:59.240
Speaker 8 (Community Hall): And the third… I think this, unless the commissioner has affirmatively voted it,
is unnecessary, I guess.
182304:09:59.630 --> 04:10:00.680Speaker 8 (Community Hall): Boom.
1824
04:10:01.490 --> 04:10:14.220
Speaker 8 (Community Hall): Okay. Just ensure it cannot be construed as representing the full commission
at all. Because sometimes they… you… you communicate even before it's voted on or not, yeah.
182504:10:14.730 --> 04:10:29.210Speaker 8 (Community Hall): And then, so we have added that, we want to clarify how to communicate with other agencies. This should be determined by the city attorney. Should we also include a consultant of the city?
1826
04:10:32.000 --> 04:10:40.969
Speaker 7 (Community Hall): my concern was mostly with anybody outside of the organization, so I think as long as it's boilerplate that indicates, you know, what a commissioner is.
182704:10:41.160 --> 04:10:47.840Speaker 7 (Community Hall): And that it's not a representation of the city's official position, that that should… be sufficient.
1828
04:10:53.110 --> 04:10:56.569Speaker 8 (Community Hall): But consultants are considered part of the city or not.
182904:10:57.730 --> 04:11:08.970Speaker 29 (Community Hall): Well, I think a baby should just not even be outside of the city, but this email that you're using should have… whenever you use it, you should have this, like, you know, two-sentence
thing that lets people know that
183004:11:09.290 --> 04:11:20.029Speaker 29 (Community Hall): This is a single commissioner speaking and not an official word from the city, because people in the outside world may not be aware of that, and might be easily, confused.
183104:11:20.030 --> 04:11:27.900Speaker 7 (Community Hall): Yeah, not to offer you a suggestion on how to do the job, but, you know, we have signature blocks, there might be something that could be incorporated into it.
1832
04:11:28.420 --> 04:11:29.220
Speaker 7 (Community Hall): Yeah.
183304:11:29.570 --> 04:11:30.250Speaker 8 (Community Hall): Okay.
1834
04:11:30.640 --> 04:11:37.380
Speaker 8 (Community Hall): No, so this is the fourth item I would actually like to propose.
183504:11:37.690 --> 04:11:45.849Speaker 8 (Community Hall): This is a screenshot from the Council Procedures menu regarding the future agenda item.
1836
04:11:46.020 --> 04:11:59.300
Speaker 8 (Community Hall): And, right now, in the council meeting, under the future agenda item, We have
attached a draft
183704:11:59.820 --> 04:12:03.509Speaker 8 (Community Hall): Meeting… council meeting agenda.
1838
04:12:04.720 --> 04:12:11.339
Speaker 8 (Community Hall): With a look ahead of two meetings or more, and some upcoming agenda
items.
183904:12:12.010 --> 04:12:24.399Speaker 8 (Community Hall): And we have gotten comment from commission chairs. Sometimes they don't even know what would… what's coming until the day before the agenda is to be published.
1840
04:12:24.610 --> 04:12:43.299
Speaker 8 (Community Hall): That has been my experience when I first became mayor the last year. So slowly, we try to improve the process so we all have better agenda planning. So I thought we can try to implement that with the commission agenda planning also.
184104:12:43.830 --> 04:12:48.699Speaker 8 (Community Hall): So, hmm… Would that be possible, city manager?
1842
04:12:49.350 --> 04:12:53.590Speaker 29 (Community Hall): I think it's already in the… Commissioner's Handbook.
1843
04:12:55.010 --> 04:12:55.830
Speaker 5 (Community Hall): Is it?
184404:12:56.200 --> 04:12:57.149Speaker 5 (Community Hall): Am I wrong?
1845
04:12:57.540 --> 04:13:08.300Speaker 5 (Community Hall): I don't think so. I think in the handbook, there's the process of setting future agenda items, but there… it's not explicitly,
184604:13:08.410 --> 04:13:17.209Speaker 5 (Community Hall): it does not call out the attachment on the agendas for any look ahead,
currently, like we do for council agendas.
184704:13:22.860 --> 04:13:23.810Speaker 5 (Community Hall): Yeah.
184804:13:24.190 --> 04:13:26.690Speaker 5 (Community Hall): So, Vice Mayor, so…
1849
04:13:27.870 --> 04:13:34.130Speaker 8 (Community Hall): Oh, I think I kind of drafted a little bit to be a bit more specific.
185004:13:34.240 --> 04:13:39.000Speaker 8 (Community Hall): Because… This screenshot from the Council Agenda
1851
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Speaker 8 (Community Hall): is kind of more general. So, like, so each commission meeting should have the future agenda item, maybe that's already there. And the draft future agenda document should include at least two upcoming meetings or more, and other to-be-agendized items.
185204:13:57.160 --> 04:14:11.409Speaker 5 (Community Hall): That's, yeah, the only… I think it's a great idea. The only complication might be
because commission meetings are slight… or commissions are slightly different than each other. Putting it in
the commission handbook would
185304:14:14.700 --> 04:14:27.259Speaker 5 (Community Hall): like, we're requiring commissions to have work plans, right? So some of them can follow those items. Planning Commission is completely different, right? So this might work for Planning Commission, but it may not work for other commissions.
1854
04:14:27.600 --> 04:14:34.010
Speaker 5 (Community Hall): So, I like the idea, I just worry if we can actually accomplish that for all of the
commissions.
1855
04:14:34.470 --> 04:14:36.479
Speaker 5 (Community Hall): So maybe if we add.
185604:14:36.480 --> 04:14:48.079Speaker 8 (Community Hall): My understanding is the other commission… when I had the commission chair
meeting last year, most of the commission are already having more look ahead.
185704:14:48.330 --> 04:14:52.989Speaker 8 (Community Hall): Planning Commission was the only one that has almost zero look ahead.
185804:14:53.450 --> 04:14:54.810Speaker 8 (Community Hall): Yes. And so… Yes.
1859
04:14:55.420 --> 04:15:10.799Speaker 8 (Community Hall): I guess at least two upcoming meetings is not asking too much. I know they have different schedule, which is understandable, therefore I'm not saying one month's look at, I'm just saying, okay, at least
186004:15:10.800 --> 04:15:25.689
Speaker 8 (Community Hall): At least at this meeting, the commissioner maybe have an idea of what's
coming in the next meeting and after. Of course, it's a draft, it's up to, change.
186104:15:26.030 --> 04:15:39.750Speaker 5 (Community Hall): Yeah, like I said, I would like to try this. This is a good idea. I wonder if we can just say a draft future agenda document as available should include at least two upcoming meetings, so it gives us a little bit of wiggle room in the beginning.
1862
04:15:39.940 --> 04:15:43.790
Speaker 5 (Community Hall): And then if it's working, then at the next…
186304:15:44.320 --> 04:15:47.939Speaker 8 (Community Hall): Maybe we just say Thrive 2?
1864
04:15:47.940 --> 04:15:50.689
Speaker 5 (Community Hall): I strive to, I like that, because…
186504:15:50.695 --> 04:15:53.695Speaker 9 (Community Hall): I should try to take it out from the bread and back?
186604:15:53.865 --> 04:16:01.714
Speaker 5 (Community Hall): Yeah. I just, yeah, just don't want, just don't want to box this in case you
need. That's absolutely amazing, yeah. Yeah, thank you. Okay. Perfect.
186704:16:02.810 --> 04:16:04.020Speaker 8 (Community Hall): Okay, that's all.
186804:16:04.300 --> 04:16:08.430Speaker 8 (Community Hall): Oh, do I have a second? More seconds?
1869
04:16:10.310 --> 04:16:16.840
Speaker 5 (Community Hall): Vice Mayors strive to not thrive to, just with minor…
187004:16:19.770 --> 04:16:20.470Speaker 8 (Community Hall): Wait.
1871
04:16:21.570 --> 04:16:25.040
Speaker 8 (Community Hall): Wait, I thought it's… oh, Thrive 2, okay.
187204:16:25.880 --> 04:16:31.820Speaker 8 (Community Hall): Okay, so… You mentioned,
187304:16:31.950 --> 04:16:36.649
Speaker 8 (Community Hall): There are some changes with… oh, I think Commissioner…
1874
04:16:37.240 --> 04:16:39.959Speaker 8 (Community Hall): Someone mentioned that there is some…
187504:16:40.130 --> 04:16:51.070Speaker 8 (Community Hall): thing regarding communication with only the liaison. Is there something like
that? I don't remember seeing there is such limitation.
1876
04:16:53.710 --> 04:17:03.929Speaker 8 (Community Hall): I think one of the comments said that somehow, we have added a limitation that the chair can only talk to the liaison.
187704:17:04.030 --> 04:17:04.979
Speaker 8 (Community Hall): No, I agree.
1878
04:17:05.790 --> 04:17:09.269Speaker 5 (Community Hall): Hmm. I think that's the preferred,
187904:17:10.060 --> 04:17:22.130Speaker 5 (Community Hall): process, but it doesn't mean that the commissioners or chairs cannot reach out
to other staff. But if it's for commission agenda or anything related to commission work, they should work
with the staff liaison.
188004:17:22.600 --> 04:17:26.059Speaker 8 (Community Hall): Maybe that needs to be clarified, if it's…
1881
04:17:26.650 --> 04:17:29.390Speaker 8 (Community Hall): Where does that… is that stated?
1882
04:17:30.610 --> 04:17:36.740
Speaker 29 (Community Hall): That was, that wasn't one of the ones that we had identified in our study
session.
188304:17:36.900 --> 04:17:37.960Speaker 29 (Community Hall): and prior.
1884
04:17:45.430 --> 04:17:47.249
Speaker 30 (Community Hall): Let me pull it up.
188504:18:09.510 --> 04:18:22.460Speaker 8 (Community Hall): Yeah, just want to double-check the sections so that it's clear. It means for agendizing… agenda preparation purposes, contact only the
1886
04:18:22.990 --> 04:18:31.430
Speaker 8 (Community Hall): So, is… is that clear? I don't know which section it's referring to. I think it's…
188704:18:32.180 --> 04:18:33.679Speaker 29 (Community Hall): I think it's Section 7?
188804:18:34.700 --> 04:18:36.230
Speaker 29 (Community Hall): Or, I mean, page 7.
1889
04:18:37.740 --> 04:18:39.930Speaker 8 (Community Hall): Oh, the Clean Virgin?
189004:18:49.090 --> 04:18:51.429Speaker 8 (Community Hall): Page is saving over the clean version.
1891
04:18:52.000 --> 04:18:58.679
Speaker 29 (Community Hall): Or which version? Yes, I'm sorry, I'm looking at the version online, the current version online, for the language that you're talking about.
189204:18:58.820 --> 04:19:01.209Speaker 29 (Community Hall): The one in the supplemental report?
1893
04:19:03.560 --> 04:19:07.190
Speaker 8 (Community Hall): There is another version in the supplemental report, so…
189404:19:10.300 --> 04:19:11.820
Speaker 8 (Community Hall): Page 7.
1895
04:19:25.190 --> 04:19:28.580
Speaker 8 (Community Hall): We do have a section. Maybe you can share the screen.
189604:19:28.730 --> 04:19:30.070Speaker 8 (Community Hall): That would be…
1897
04:19:30.075 --> 04:19:33.445
Speaker 30 (Community Hall): I don't know how to do that. Can you share your screen?
189804:19:35.665 --> 04:19:37.714Speaker 30 (Community Hall): I don't know.
1899
04:19:37.715 --> 04:19:44.555
Speaker 29 (Community Hall): I do think we should vote on the other items, which is whether you think we
should have alternates or not, while we're also thinking about this.
190004:19:48.540 --> 04:19:52.519Speaker 8 (Community Hall): Oh, do we need another motion on the…
1901
04:19:55.230 --> 04:19:59.309
Speaker 4 (Community Hall): And are there any other missing parts, or is that…
190204:19:59.315 --> 04:20:06.904Speaker 29 (Community Hall): There's the alternates, and there's the, the attendance requirements where the council will
1903
04:20:07.095 --> 04:20:09.684
Speaker 29 (Community Hall): Make the decision about whether removal or not?
190404:20:10.925 --> 04:20:12.415Speaker 29 (Community Hall): Then…
190504:20:13.200 --> 04:20:18.790
Speaker 4 (Community Hall): I believe we're in agreement with supporting both of those items. Perfect. As
recommended.
190604:20:18.795 --> 04:20:25.554Speaker 29 (Community Hall): So, I'm sorry, that means you are in agreement with having alternates or not having alternates? Yes, alternates. Alternates, yes.
1907
04:20:25.555 --> 04:20:37.955
Speaker 8 (Community Hall): who will sit in every meeting, and then fill in when there is a vacancy, right?
Correct. So the alternates are required to do everything except voting.
190804:20:37.985 --> 04:20:45.635Speaker 8 (Community Hall): Correct. So, they will do from 700, and they have to perform all the training.
1909
04:20:45.935 --> 04:20:56.375
Speaker 8 (Community Hall): Correct. They just cannot vote until they are… so who will decide who would be placing them as primary? The…
191004:20:56.450 --> 04:21:06.070Speaker 29 (Community Hall): If somebody is absent from the meeting, then the chair at the top of the meeting would seat the alternate to be the voting member for that meeting.
1911
04:21:06.180 --> 04:21:06.949Speaker 29 (Community Hall): So that means…
191204:21:06.950 --> 04:21:12.850Speaker 8 (Community Hall): Any meeting in case a commissioner cannot attend for just that meeting.
1913
04:21:13.170 --> 04:21:18.410
Speaker 8 (Community Hall): the alternate… the first alternate then can vote… Correct. In that place. Correct.
191404:21:18.415 --> 04:21:20.975Speaker 29 (Community Hall): And count for quorum. Okay.
1915
04:21:21.430 --> 04:21:37.780
Speaker 4 (Community Hall): A quick question with regarding the attendance of the alternate. Are… would watching a recorded meeting count as attending? Since they can't actually vote, what you're wanting is for them to be up-to-date with the…
191604:21:38.150 --> 04:21:41.010Speaker 4 (Community Hall): with the committee or commission, is that right?
1917
04:21:41.015 --> 04:21:46.155Speaker 29 (Community Hall): I think that that would be a reasonable compromise for an alternate. Okay.
191804:21:47.035 --> 04:21:49.484Speaker 29 (Community Hall): So we could add that? Okay.
1919
04:21:49.490 --> 04:21:50.960
Speaker 4 (Community Hall): Councilmember Fruen?
192004:21:51.370 --> 04:21:51.980Speaker 4 (Community Hall): with respect.
1921
04:21:51.985 --> 04:21:55.315
Speaker 7 (Community Hall): With respect to the chair seating the alternate.
192204:21:55.575 --> 04:22:03.365Speaker 7 (Community Hall): Is this a ministerial duty that the chair would have to seat the alternate, or is it a discretionary choice on the part of the chair?
1923
04:22:07.540 --> 04:22:11.919
Speaker 29 (Community Hall): I don't know if the… government code speaks to that? Can we make it?
192404:22:11.920 --> 04:22:12.730Speaker 7 (Community Hall): a ministerial duty.
1925
04:22:12.755 --> 04:22:19.865
Speaker 29 (Community Hall): Yes, we should, we should, unless the government code does speak to that,
which I don't think it does, so we should make it ministerial, correct, yes.
192604:22:19.870 --> 04:22:27.810Speaker 8 (Community Hall): That means if there… if some… if one commissioner did not, show up,
1927
04:22:28.160 --> 04:22:36.800
Speaker 8 (Community Hall): the chair doesn't have a choice to not seat the alternate. Correct. The chair is
required to seat the alternate.
192804:22:37.050 --> 04:22:39.729Speaker 9 (Community Hall): Only if there's a quorum problem, right?
1929
04:22:40.130 --> 04:22:42.939
Speaker 8 (Community Hall): Not only if there is a quorum problem.
193004:22:42.945 --> 04:22:46.845Speaker 29 (Community Hall): If a member of the commission, a voting member, is absent.
1931
04:22:47.105 --> 04:22:55.414
Speaker 29 (Community Hall): And the alternate is at the meeting, then the chair can seat the alternate, and
what we're saying is the chair must seat the alternate.
193204:22:57.095 --> 04:23:00.605Speaker 29 (Community Hall): To be a voting member for that meeting, whether you have a quorum or not.
1933
04:23:01.395 --> 04:23:02.275
Speaker 29 (Community Hall): Yeah.
193404:23:03.070 --> 04:23:06.649Speaker 14 (Community Hall): Okay. Well, yeah. So I just.
1935
04:23:06.650 --> 04:23:07.920
Speaker 8 (Community Hall): On that? Okay.
193604:23:07.925 --> 04:23:20.024Speaker 11 (Community Hall): So, just to clarify, these alternates would not fill a vacant… an unscheduled vacancy, if an unscheduled vacancy… okay, just want to make that clear, and then I'm assuming that these alternate appointments would be done during the appointment process?
1937
04:23:20.135 --> 04:23:28.495
Speaker 11 (Community Hall): When you make your official appointments, you would select your alternate at that same time. Correct? Okay.
193804:23:28.770 --> 04:23:34.950Speaker 4 (Community Hall): So you would need to… you would need to accept these two new additions to your original motion?
1939
04:23:35.540 --> 04:23:37.970Speaker 8 (Community Hall): The original machine number…
194004:23:38.970 --> 04:23:46.639Speaker 8 (Community Hall): How do you space that? How do you express that? Is there something I can copy from the staff report?
1941
04:23:47.770 --> 04:23:49.780Speaker 29 (Community Hall): On seating alternates?
194204:23:49.980 --> 04:23:57.610Speaker 29 (Community Hall): Yeah. You… I think the staff report just says that the chair
1943
04:23:57.850 --> 04:24:00.700
Speaker 29 (Community Hall): will seat, once the chair is
194404:24:00.920 --> 04:24:03.320Speaker 29 (Community Hall): Seated the alternate, the alternate could vote.
1945
04:24:05.520 --> 04:24:09.510
Speaker 8 (Community Hall): Okay. But, I can find it. So…
194604:24:09.510 --> 04:24:27.180Speaker 29 (Community Hall): vote on the concept, then I think I can draft it up. I don't think we need to
specifically clarify the language. And then we'll have the commissioner handbook done, and if a council
member reads it and is like, no, that's not right, then we can reopen whichever one that I might have gotten wrong.
1947
04:24:27.185 --> 04:24:30.384
Speaker 8 (Community Hall): We want to… how many alternates do we want to appoint?
194804:24:31.030 --> 04:24:33.240Speaker 29 (Community Hall): We were talking about one per commission.
194904:24:33.970 --> 04:24:35.999
Speaker 8 (Community Hall): Only one. Correct. Okay.
1950
04:24:44.360 --> 04:24:46.419Speaker 8 (Community Hall): He smells…
195104:24:47.190 --> 04:24:48.760Speaker 31 (Community Hall): alternate…
1952
04:25:17.020 --> 04:25:19.900
Speaker 29 (Community Hall): Vice Mayor, I don't see your screen now. Oh, yeah.
195304:25:19.900 --> 04:25:21.760Speaker 8 (Community Hall): I'm still typing, okay.
1954
04:25:27.560 --> 04:25:28.240
Speaker 30 (Community Hall): Nice.
195504:25:48.490 --> 04:25:49.290Speaker 8 (Community Hall): Like that.
1956
04:25:57.820 --> 04:26:02.229
Speaker 4 (Community Hall): Well, we want to make sure it's clear that by attend, yeah.
195704:26:02.565 --> 04:26:05.115Speaker 9 (Community Hall): be… In person or virtually.
195804:26:05.835 --> 04:26:08.074
Speaker 4 (Community Hall): Or they can watch them recording.
195904:26:10.310 --> 04:26:12.850Speaker 29 (Community Hall): But if they are going to be seated.
1960
04:26:13.320 --> 04:26:17.770
Speaker 29 (Community Hall): To be a voting member, they need to be at the meeting. Yeah. Yeah.
196104:26:26.730 --> 04:26:35.410Speaker 4 (Community Hall): So could it say, required to attend each commission meeting, whether… Live or
recorded.
196204:26:35.415 --> 04:26:45.445Speaker 29 (Community Hall): You could say Alternate is required to attend each commission meeting, in person or virtually, or review the recording. Okay.
196304:26:56.200 --> 04:27:00.480
Speaker 8 (Community Hall): So then, in this case, the alternate has to attend that in person. Correct.
196404:27:10.420 --> 04:27:11.040Speaker 31 (Community Hall): Yeah?
196504:27:16.430 --> 04:27:17.320Speaker 31 (Community Hall): Okay.
1966
04:27:18.960 --> 04:27:21.069Community Hall: That's another…
196704:27:22.190 --> 04:27:24.160Speaker 30 (Community Hall): Anything else? Okay, so…
1968
04:27:24.160 --> 04:27:34.629
Speaker 29 (Community Hall): We have the alternate part done, and then we talked about, discouraging individuals from serving on two advisory bodies.
196904:27:35.870 --> 04:27:38.910Speaker 29 (Community Hall): So, if we just agree, I can write that in?
1970
04:27:40.050 --> 04:27:47.409
Speaker 29 (Community Hall): And we talked about the City Council being the entity that approves removal for commissioners that
197104:27:47.650 --> 04:27:49.660Speaker 29 (Community Hall): Do not attend enough meetings.
1972
04:27:50.410 --> 04:27:56.400
Speaker 29 (Community Hall): And then we talked about the, language for the updates.
197304:27:58.480 --> 04:28:02.639
Speaker 29 (Community Hall): Suggesting the role of commissioners in terms of their communications.
1974
04:28:03.010 --> 04:28:05.139
Speaker 29 (Community Hall): I don't think we need to go over that again.
197504:28:05.800 --> 04:28:14.940Speaker 29 (Community Hall): And so, I think… Could we have, general
1976
04:28:15.050 --> 04:28:20.729
Speaker 29 (Community Hall): fuzzy motion that we can all vote on, and then I'll just draft up the language,
and if someone says that's wrong, then we'll fix it.
197704:28:21.320 --> 04:28:29.240Speaker 4 (Community Hall): So, it could add a sentence that says, and… and the, and we approve the further,
1978
04:28:29.540 --> 04:28:33.200
Speaker 4 (Community Hall): staff recommendations. Make it real simple.
197904:28:33.205 --> 04:28:34.395Speaker 29 (Community Hall): That sounds fine.
1980
04:28:37.290 --> 04:28:45.299
Speaker 8 (Community Hall): So, do we need to… Okay, so I added number 6 is to remove any
commissioner.
198104:28:45.480 --> 04:28:52.270Speaker 8 (Community Hall): It will be put on the Council agenda to be consistent with Council Procedures Minute.
1982
04:28:52.440 --> 04:28:53.170
Speaker 8 (Community Hall): Right.
198304:28:55.600 --> 04:29:05.969Speaker 29 (Community Hall): Yeah, I'll… it will be consistent with the Council Procedures Manual, but I will spell it out in the Commissioner Handbook, so commissioners can just read the one document, yes.
1984
04:29:05.970 --> 04:29:12.429
Speaker 8 (Community Hall): So the Commissioner's handbook will be modified to be consistent with the Council Procedures menu for the.
198504:29:12.435 --> 04:29:22.315Speaker 4 (Community Hall): part. Okay, and 7 would simply say, and we, accept the further
recommendations, by staff.
1986
04:29:23.190 --> 04:29:25.669Speaker 8 (Community Hall): What's the further recommendation?
1987
04:29:27.530 --> 04:29:31.650
Speaker 4 (Community Hall): There were… there were a number of other ones which were… were pretty
straightforward.
198804:29:31.655 --> 04:29:36.555Speaker 5 (Community Hall): They're just mostly clarifying updates and the red line version. From the staff report.
1989
04:29:37.200 --> 04:29:38.540
Speaker 9 (Community Hall): Correct, yeah.
199004:29:40.800 --> 04:29:41.760Speaker 31 (Community Hall): Okay.
1991
04:29:42.520 --> 04:29:51.059
Speaker 8 (Community Hall): And there was a thing about whether a person can serve on two commissions
or not. We are not making any change.
199204:29:51.350 --> 04:29:51.860Speaker 30 (Community Hall): Right.
1993
04:29:51.860 --> 04:29:57.370
Speaker 29 (Community Hall): I think we were suggesting that the Commissioner Handbook suggests that.
199404:29:57.580 --> 04:30:02.340Speaker 29 (Community Hall): it's discouraged that a commission… that an individual will serve on two commissions. So right now.
1995
04:30:02.345 --> 04:30:04.705
Speaker 8 (Community Hall): But the Virgin says it's discouraged.
199604:30:04.860 --> 04:30:07.559Speaker 29 (Community Hall): It doesn't. This would be added. It doesn't.
199704:30:07.560 --> 04:30:11.130
Speaker 8 (Community Hall): Do I want to say that the municipal code,
1998
04:30:11.700 --> 04:30:15.259Speaker 8 (Community Hall): the… what does the municipal court say? The municipal.
1999
04:30:15.265 --> 04:30:27.494
Speaker 29 (Community Hall): says that you can't be on a commission with other family members. So it gets into that nepotism piece, so we don't need to address that, but it doesn't talk about a commissioner serving on more than one commission.
2000
04:30:28.835 --> 04:30:33.354
Speaker 29 (Community Hall): We don't have to include it at all, if you prefer, or we could say that
200104:30:33.565 --> 04:30:37.415Speaker 29 (Community Hall): It's discouraged that a commissioner would serve on two commissions.
2002
04:30:38.235 --> 04:30:39.275
Speaker 29 (Community Hall): Okay.
200304:30:42.870 --> 04:30:54.380Speaker 9 (Community Hall): Excuse me. I thought there was some discussion last time that if there was no other option, there actually may be a situation when
2004
04:30:54.560 --> 04:30:55.430
Speaker 9 (Community Hall): Oh.
200504:30:55.820 --> 04:30:58.540Speaker 9 (Community Hall): A commissioner would have to serve on two different commissions.
200604:30:58.545 --> 04:31:01.225
Speaker 29 (Community Hall): That's why we used the word discouraged, I was thinking.
2007
04:31:01.545 --> 04:31:03.394Speaker 8 (Community Hall): It's… we have flexibility.
200804:31:03.400 --> 04:31:06.020Speaker 29 (Community Hall): Yeah, so it's not a ban. Okay, yeah, through the…
2009
04:31:06.025 --> 04:31:07.894
Speaker 7 (Community Hall): Mayor. Need, we can do it.
201004:31:07.900 --> 04:31:08.280Speaker 30 (Community Hall): we, we.
2011
04:31:08.285 --> 04:31:20.284
Speaker 7 (Community Hall): We had considerable discussion on this point, as I recall, when we last
addressed it, and this was… sort of the consensus position was to discourage it so that there's some diversity of
2012
04:31:20.385 --> 04:31:22.865
Speaker 7 (Community Hall): Opinion and thought, and people aren't…
201304:31:23.095 --> 04:31:33.545Speaker 7 (Community Hall): on every commission, but there might be instances where it's advisable or
helpful, or that we just have a dearth of applicants. And it would be… we don't want to tie our own hands.
Yeah.
201404:31:34.680 --> 04:31:39.019Speaker 8 (Community Hall): So regarding the family, right now the municipal court is…
201504:31:39.840 --> 04:31:48.930
Speaker 8 (Community Hall): It seems for some of them, not all of them, since the family… people who are
within the same family cannot sit on the same.
201604:31:49.415 --> 04:31:52.684Speaker 29 (Community Hall): Correct. For most commissions, it's true. For most, or it's…
201704:31:52.690 --> 04:31:54.090
Speaker 8 (Community Hall): Just for Parks and Rec.
201804:31:54.090 --> 04:32:04.449Speaker 29 (Community Hall): No, I think it… it might be all of them. I think I was just using Parks and Rec as an example of what the language is in the municipal Code, but for most commissions, that language is in the municipal code.
2019
04:32:04.450 --> 04:32:08.910
Speaker 8 (Community Hall): You cannot sit on the same commission, but can you sit on two different
commissions?
202004:32:08.915 --> 04:32:13.465Speaker 29 (Community Hall): So that's discouraged, this… no, that's not addressed by the municipal code currently.
2021
04:32:13.465 --> 04:32:14.925
Speaker 8 (Community Hall): Right? Correct.
202204:32:15.155 --> 04:32:18.894Speaker 8 (Community Hall): But how come I remember we had to approve
2023
04:32:19.055 --> 04:32:24.145
Speaker 8 (Community Hall): We have to take some action at the council meeting so that a team commission
202404:32:24.685 --> 04:32:28.105Speaker 8 (Community Hall): who is related to another commissioner had?
202504:32:28.825 --> 04:32:31.654Speaker 8 (Community Hall): can be appointed to the team commission.
2026
04:32:32.530 --> 04:32:36.860
Speaker 29 (Community Hall): I remember the discussion, but I don't remember the specifics of it.
202704:32:36.865 --> 04:32:38.914Speaker 8 (Community Hall): It's before your time, so…
2028
04:32:38.915 --> 04:32:46.464
Speaker 7 (Community Hall): the mayor, my recollection of this was that there used to be a very specific
provision governing the teen commission that prohibited that.
202904:32:46.970 --> 04:32:48.820Speaker 30 (Community Hall): Do we still have that?
2030
04:32:48.820 --> 04:32:51.100
Speaker 7 (Community Hall): A waiver process for it.
203104:32:51.100 --> 04:32:53.609Speaker 8 (Community Hall): So, do we still have that? I don't recall.
203204:32:53.610 --> 04:32:56.529
Speaker 7 (Community Hall): I just knew that that was… that was the basis.
2033
04:32:57.230 --> 04:33:06.070Speaker 8 (Community Hall): I think it's… it's fine if we have prohibition for something, but then we have… we are allowed to waive it.
203404:33:08.070 --> 04:33:09.599
Speaker 8 (Community Hall): Yeah, okay.
2035
04:33:09.800 --> 04:33:11.189Speaker 8 (Community Hall): So that's it.
203604:33:11.770 --> 04:33:19.219Speaker 8 (Community Hall): So, accept. So I accept the friendly amendment. Now we have 8 items, and…
2037
04:33:19.220 --> 04:33:23.200
Speaker 4 (Community Hall): I second that? Okay. I think we're ready to vote.
203804:33:23.800 --> 04:33:28.609
Speaker 4 (Community Hall): Madam City Clerk, will you reset the panel, and we'll take a vote.
2039
04:33:29.970 --> 04:33:33.439
Speaker 14 (Community Hall): So the original… Motion? Who?
204004:33:33.445 --> 04:33:35.705Speaker 11 (Community Hall): I might go up to my nodes.
2041
04:33:38.415 --> 04:33:40.645
Speaker 29 (Community Hall): Vice Mayor, will you share your notes with us?
204204:33:40.645 --> 04:33:41.395Speaker 14 (Community Hall): Yes.
2043
04:33:41.404 --> 04:33:43.644
Speaker 11 (Community Hall): You could email them. I was taking screenshots.
204404:33:43.645 --> 04:33:57.314Speaker 8 (Community Hall): So the staff recommendation was number one, but the cross-out section would be the individual commissioner should recognize if their opinion… if their opinion is inconsistent.
2045
04:33:57.494 --> 04:34:03.894
Speaker 8 (Community Hall): with the full commission. I think the language is awkward, but you can
rephrase it. Thank you, yes.
204604:34:05.825 --> 04:34:13.054Speaker 8 (Community Hall): Okay, so I have… And the number 2 is, of course, I'll strive to, and as necessary, and so on.
2047
04:34:13.064 --> 04:34:17.104
Speaker 4 (Community Hall): You can just forward it, yeah, we got it the first time.
204804:34:17.110 --> 04:34:19.250Speaker 8 (Community Hall): I need to repeat this, right? Okay.
2049
04:34:19.849 --> 04:34:24.029
Speaker 11 (Community Hall): Okay, and so I have, Chao moved and more seconded. Yeah.
205004:34:24.075 --> 04:34:26.545Speaker 14 (Community Hall): Okay. Okay, the votes are ready for you.
205104:34:29.160 --> 04:34:31.289
Speaker 11 (Community Hall): The motion carries with Wong absent.
2052
04:34:32.279 --> 04:34:40.709Speaker 4 (Community Hall): All right, thank you. So we have postponed item 14, and the next items are informational.
2053
04:34:41.569 --> 04:34:49.079
Speaker 4 (Community Hall): So then… we move on to, preparing to adjourn. Tonight, we will be adjourning
in…
205404:34:49.209 --> 04:35:08.339Speaker 4 (Community Hall): of Rod Deeradon Sr, who passed away late last week at the age 87. While many know him as the namesake of Deeradon Station, we remember him as the father of our modern transit network and a pioneer who saw the potential of light rail long before others.
2055
04:35:08.339 --> 04:35:18.069Speaker 4 (Community Hall): His tenure as county supervisor and his leadership across multiple agencies set the foundation for the regional transit we know today.
205604:35:18.149 --> 04:35:28.429Speaker 4 (Community Hall): We thank him for his long service, advocacy well into his 80s, and we
respectfully adjourn this meeting in his honor.