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HomeMy WebLinkAboutASAC Minutes 11-06-1975CITY OF CUPERTINO, STATE OF CALIFORNIA 10300 Torre Avenue, Cupertino Telephone: 252-4505 MINUTES OF THE REGULAR MEETING OF THE ARCHITECTURAL AND SITE APPROVAL COMMITTEE HELD ON NOVEMBER 6, 1975 IN THE COUNCIL CHAMBERS, CITY HALL, CUPERTINO, CALIFORNIA SALUTE TO THE FLAG The meeting was opened at 7:09 p.m. by Chairman Koenitzer with the SaJ.ute to the Flag. ROLL CALL Members present: Members absent: Staff present: Dressler (7:19), Grubb, Irvine, Sallan (7:15) Chairman Koenitzer None Assistant Planner Toby Kramer INFORMAL REVIEW OF PLANNED DEVELOPMENT USE PERMIT APPLICATION: 9-U-75 Home Federal Savings and Loan: Construction of a two-story banking facility located at the southeast quadrant of Stevens Creek Boulevard and Wolfe/Miller intersection. After discussion and study of proposed plans, the following concerns were noted: ...10 ft. setback on Miller Avenue ...Trees on east edge of development ...Question on signing in general for entire parcel ...Compatability of proposed architecture with other architecture in the area ...Placement of drive -up facilities ...Member Sallan felt landscaping should be included along parking stalls between this site and the adjacent site and provisions for it be provided at this time. UNFINISHED BUSINESS: None HC -150 Page 1 9-U-75 Home Federal Savings and Loan review HC -150 Page 2 Minutes of 10/23/75 approved as corrected MINUTES OF THE NOVEMBER 6, 1975 H -CONTROL MEETING APPROVAL OF MINUTES: Minutes of October 23, 1975 Page 4, paragraph 6, the last line should read "...satisfaction so that possible excessive intensity could....". On page 6, third paragraph from the bottom should read as follows: "Member Sallan said she felt the entire project, including Coco's, was approved for one sign. Individual wall signs will give identity since they are not that far from the street. In answer to Mr. Sher's comments on McClellan Square, she said the committee is seeking a direction that will have shopping center name represent a significant portion of overall ground sign." On page 11, last paragraph should read: "Chairman Koenitzer asked if the small building in Rifredi's parking area was in Cupertino. He reported the newspaper stands and a sign made it impossible to walk on the sidewalk. in front of the small building." Member Sallan moved, seconded by Member Irvine, to approve the Minutes of October 23, 1975 as corrected. POSTPONEMENTS: None WRITTEN COMMUNICATIONS: None ORAL COMMUNICATIONS: None PUBLIC HEARING: Motion carried, 4-0-1 Abstain: Dressler HC -51,075.40 1. Application HC -51,075.40 - Vallco Park, Otd. requesting approval Vallco Park of lighting for the J. C. Penney Company located easterly of for Wolfe Road and northerly of Vallco Parkway in the Vallco J. C.Penney Regional Shopping Center. Staff report: Assistant Planner Kramer reviewed lighting plan approved• for the entire Regional Shopping Center. J. C. Penney would like to modify the lighting scheme on the east side of Wolfe Road to allow a minimum footcandle reading of 1½ rather than the 2 footcandle average that exists at Bullock's now. In order to do this, they would like to use 45 ft. poles rather than the 34 ft. poles so that they would have less poles on the site. They would use the same lighting fixture and the same high pressure sodium bulb. MINUTES OF THE NOVEMBER 6, 1975 H -CONTROL MEETING Ms. Kramer referred to two exhibits showing placement of poles and number needed for 34 ft. poles and for 45 ft. poles. Staff recommended that the 34 ft. high poles be used and the applicant. be allowed to utilize the 112 footcandle illumination intensity in the parking area since it would not affect neighboring properties. Mr. Bill Tagg, representing Vallco Park, explained Penney's had a policy of using 1% footcandle illumination in their parking areas. Mr. Harry Wilson, J. C. Penney representative, said most of their projects these days were in shopping centers. As a result of their experiences, they had developed a standard lighting program which was to use 12 footcandles to provide public safety. Their insurance and operations staff are concerned with anything less than 12. He said they have had considerable success with this criteria. Mr. Wilson answered Chairman Koenitzer that this will be the first time they have used the high pressure sodium bulb. In answer to Member Dressler, Mr. Wilson said the use of fewer and taller poles would be an energy conservation measure. He referred to exhibit showing illumination patterns. Mr. Tagg said during the daytime there would be fewer poles to be seen and at night, people did not notice what the height of the pole was. At 45 ft. there would be less glare. Member Sallan spoke to the fact that this was a planned development and as such, the lighting had been approved. Mr. Wilson explained that Penney's was not legally "in" yet so was not involved with the lighting as it pertained to Bullock's. He reiterated Penney's standards for lighting. Member Sallan said since this is a planned development and they have been faced many times with modification requests, she did not feel the height of the poles was necessary and since the intensity was apparently satisfactory for the other side of the street, she would need more data to warrant allowing Penney's to have a higher intensity. Mr. Wilson said one claim against the store is enough to justify the higher intensity. Member Sallan expressed concern over having lighting of one intensity on one side of the street and another intensity on the other side with regard to the overall visual impression. HC -150 Page 3 HC -150 I MINUTES OF THE NOVEMBER 6, 1975 H -CONTROL ETIN G Page 4 Mr. Tagg said there would not be a blinding difference in the lighting. Penney's would be using much better fixture and he did not feel the request was unreasonable. He answered Member Sallan that he was not in on negotiations so could not say why Penney's had not been included in previous discussions. Member Irvine said he was in agreement with the 112 footcandles. As an architect, he always used 12 to 2 ft. in his planning. Member Grubb said he went along with the staff's recommendation of 34 ft. poles and 12 footcandles. He felt this was a logical solution. Mr. Tagg gave measurements of illumination taken at Bullock's parking area with the 2 footcandle. Chairman Koenitzer pointed out that Bullock's lighting was bright because of the sodium lamps. The meter does not read the same as visual effectiveness. He did not feel the criteria for Bullock's lot would not be as effective for both sides of the street and did not see any reason for higher intensity or higher poles. Member Sallan pointed out the differences in grades and suggested pole heights might be determined according to grade elevation so that the tops of the poles would be level. It was agreed by the applicant that they would rather have the higher intensity than height or number of poles. Member Dressler spoke to possibility of varying pole heights to accomo- date variation of grade. Mr. Wilson said the economics of doing this would be impossible as each pole would have to be of a different length. Also spacing of each pole would be different. The hearing was opened for public comment. There were none. Member Irvine said he had not seen the site and suggested continuing this application or going to actual site to discuss it. He wondered if anyone actually knew what was meant by 12 footcandle. Member Sallan noted that what was there now was doing a satisfactory job and was less than 12 so what would be the point of changing. Chairman Koenitzer agreed, adding that Bullock's was also concerned with the safety of their patrons and employees and felt this was adequate. MINUTES OF THE NOVEMBER 6, 1975 H -CONTROL MEETING Member Sallan moved to close Public Hearings. Seconded by Member Dressler. Member Dressler noted that Penney's would like 112 footcandle and he .is not opposed to that. He was opposed to the taller poles. He was especially concerned about the poles on the 17 ft. elevation. Member Sallan agreed about the height of the poles and felt the idea of lower poles on the higher grade should be considered. She had concerns about the footcandles. She was inclined to say no to both requests and explore the possibility of lower poles on the higher elevations. Member Irvine said he had not seen the site so could not comment further. Member Grubb said he personally preferred higher and fewer poles so would stay with staff recommendation. He considered getting too many poles would interfere with getting aesthetic value. Lower poles would mean more poles. Chairman Koenitzer said he did not see any reason for higher poles or higher intensity. Chairman Koenitzer asked if the applicant would object to a continuance. Mr. Wilson said since there wouldnot be any further input he did not think a continuance would be advantageous, and would delay further getting their project open. At Mr. Wilson's request, Member Dressler moved, seconded by Member Sallan, to reopen Public Hearings. Motion carried, 5-0 Mr. Wilson said it had been suggested to study for lower poles with 12 footcandles. He said the parking lot arrangement would have to change and car stalls then might be affected. After further discussion, Member Sallan moved to close Public Hearings. Seconded by Member Dressler. Motion carried, 5-0 HC -150 Page 5 Public Hear- ing closed Public Hear- ing reopened Public Hear- ings closed HC -150 Page 6 Motion failed HC -51,075 .4; approved w/ 34 ft. pole: and 11 foot- candles MINUTES OF THE NOVEMBER 6, 1975 H -CONTROL MEETING Member Sallan moved on Application IIC-51,075.40, Vallco Park, Ltd. that the request for modification to J. C. Penney's facility with regard to increasing from 34 ft. to 45 ft. poles and from iz to 1½ footcandles average minimum intensity be denied. What is approved would be the continuation of lighting program for J. C. Penney's facility as exists on the Bullock's and Sears facility that has already been approved by this committee. Seconded by Chairman Koenitzer. AYES: Member Sallan and Chairman Koenitzer NOES: Members Dressler, Grubb and Irvine Motion failed, 2-3 Member Irvine moved to approve Application HC -51,075.40, Vallco Park, Ltd. with the 34 ft. poles and 12 footcandles. Seconded by Member Grubb. Member Sallan reiterated she did not have sufficient evidence to feel comfortable with 1z footcandles. She also felt criteria should apply to every development in City without modifications to satisfy individual developers. There was further discussion on reducing the height of the eight poles on the higher elevation. AYES: Members Dressler, Grubb and Irvine NOES: Member Sallan and Chairman Koenitzer Motion carried, 3-2 Chairman Koenitzer noted the application had been approved and would be heard by the City Council at the November 17, 1975 meeting. NEW BUSINESS: Portal Plaz Assistant Planner :ramer reported on City Council action regarding landscaping landscaping at Portal Plaza shopping center. The committee expressed their concern that their Minute Order had not received more considera- tion. It was felt a letter should have been required of Standard Oil Company. Undergrounc Utilities Replacement of "tempor- ary" back- board Chairman Koenitzer reported underground utilities had been approved for. another district to include Bollinger Road to McClellan Road. There would be no poles on Saratoga -Sunnyvale Road. There was another request that the "temporary" backboard in the Council Chambers be removed and replaced with something more aesthetically pleasing. MINUTES OF THE NOVEMBER 6, 1975 H -CONTROL MEETING Ms. Kramer reported the Sign Ordinance would be considered on November 13, 1975 and a draft forthcoming to the entire committee. ADJOURNMENT At 9:30 p.m. Member Dressler moved to adjourn the meeting to the next- regular meeting on November 20, 1975 at 7:00 p.m. Seconded by Member Sallan. Motion carried, 5-0 APPROVED: Is/ R. D. Koenitzer, Jr. Chairman ATTEST: /s/ Wm. E. Ryder City Clerk HC -150 Page 7 Sign Ordin- ance review Adj ournrrLLent