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HomeMy WebLinkAboutASAC Minutes 11-21-1974CITY OF CUP'EI:T_I.1O, STATE OF CALIFORNIA 10300 Torre Avenue, Cupertino Telephone: 252-4505 MINUTES OF THE REGULAR MEETING OF THE ARCHITECTURAL AND SITE APPROVAL COMMITTEE HELD ON NOVEMBER 21, 1.974 IN THE COUNCIL CHAMBERS, CITY HALL, CUPERTINO, CALIFORNIA SALUTE TO THE FLAG The meeting was opened at 7:03 p.m. by Chairwoman Sallan with the Salute to the Flag. POLL CALL Members present: Koenitzer, Rogers, Weinstein, Chairwoman Sallan Members absent: Dressler Staff present: Assistant. Planner Toby Kramer INFORMAL REVIEW OF PLANNED DEVELOPMENT USE PERMIT APPLICATION There were none. UNFINISHED BUSINESS The Assistant Planner reported that Mercury Savings had completed the site work and landscaping. An inspection had revealed a dis- crepancy in that exhibit had called for two 36" box evergreen pear trees at the back of the building. They have planted 15 -gallon size trees, She had questioned the nurseryman who said there was a difference of $500 between 15 -gallon tree and 36" box tree. The trees are large, substantial trees and are not that visible from the street. Everything else is as specified. As a staff judgment, she felt the 15 -gallon trees could be allowed. The committee members agreed to allow the 15 -gallon trees to remain. In response to Ms. Kramer, Chairwoman Sallan said the committee should be advised of any deviations from recorded conditions of approval. She commended Ms. Kramer for her work iii this regard. Member Koenitzer commented that the local invitations to the opening of Mercury Savings had not been delivered. I1C-1.26 Page 1 HC -126 MINUTES OF THE NOVEMBER 21, 1974 H -CONTROL MEETING Page 2 Monson's sign Chairwoman Sallan reported the wall sign approved for Monson's at last meeting appeared to be yellow rather than white at night. She asked the staff to investigate. Brentwood Member Rogers noted Brentwood Market still has Mayfair sign with a _= Market sign cloth banner draped over it. Ms. Kramer reported they were working with the applicant on this and hopefully it would be resolved soon. Portal Plaza In answer to Chairwoman Sallan, Ms. Kramer said she had talked to landscaping architect regarding planting at Portal Plaza. Mr. Yamamoto was meeting with staff and she would check with him also. :Minutes of I APPROVAL OF MINUTES: Minutes of November 7, 1974 11/ / / / -t continued Since the minutes had not been included in their packets, Member Rogers moved to postpone approval of Minutes of November 7, 1974 until the next regular meeting on December 5, 1974. Seconded by Member Koenitzer. PUBLIC HEARINGS: HC -51,075.40J 1. Application HC -51,075.40 of Vallco Park, Ltd. requesting Vallco Park 4 approval of the modification of architecture for J. C. Penney's store in the Vallco Fashion Park located southerly of and adj acent to Freeway Route 280 intersection with Wolfe Road, extending souther westerly said Feewy et_ I--- easterly side of Wolfe Road to Vail co Park Way. Staff report:_ The applicant is reQuesting_approval of a modification of architecture for the J. C. Penney's building in the Vallco Fashion Park and for approval of the materials for the retaining walls on the site. MINUTES OF THE NOVEMBER 21, 1974 H -CONTROL MEETIN One concern had been the height of the building. to 36 ft. and the mechanical equipment placed over screen will be set in 20 ft. around the perimeter site is substantially the same. G It has been reduced; the TBA. A metal of the roof. The it The materials for the building will be the same as the rest of the mall. Samples were exhibited. The Assistant Planner noted the shopping center has applied for a temporary sign for leasing information. She displayed drawing of proposed sign. Member Rogers ascertained depressing parking lot had not changed entrance to Penney's. Mr. Ralph Butterfield, architect, answered Member Weinstein that he had not designed Bullock's. Member Weinstein said he felt the Bullock's store had aesthetic appeal. He felt the east elevation was too massive and too much brick. Mr. Butterfield agreed but pointed out it was screened by TBA, IV Phase building and two rows of trees. Mr. Butterfield said the choice of materials was good. The massive building is the result of Penney's requirements. Member Weinstein said he remembered a'statement made that it would not look like Eastridge. He wondered if it were possible to do something to change this appearance. Mr. Butterfield said the degree of landscaping would soften bulk of building. Member Rogers agreed with Member Weinstein. Easterly elevation does not give impression of quality. It could be a warehouse as well as a department store. She too would like to see something better. Mr. Michael Painter, landscape architect, suggested sloping parking hot grade to bring scale of building down. He illustrated what this would do on the elevation. Mr. Butterfield said this was possible. Member Rogers said she understood Council had approved their changing, the parking lot from concrete to asphalt. It seemed as though the plans were being changed a little bit here and a little bit there. She wanted to express her concerns about changes being made. Member Koenitzer said the only change was the addition of the 4-1/2 ft. high structure set back from roof of building. He said the east. wall had been discussed. It only faced an industrial building and since it is not on public view it could be acceptable. He was not sure there was enough change here from what was approved originally to be that concerned about. HC -126 Page 3 HC -126 MINUTES OF THE NOVEMBER 21, 1974 H -CONTROL MEETING Page 4 Chairwoman Sallan said she was comfortable with materials as proposed. o l-andscap±n ar b-reakin massive appearance with Pte- g__ � a p mva pP panels, - - Member Weinstein asked what could be done to the east elevation to improve it. Mr. Butterfield said they could follow Mr. Painter's suggestion of grading and landscaping which would diminish height of building. Architecturally he could add display windows although there would be no traffic past them. These would be bay windows of same scale and detail as those in the shops. Member Weinstein asked Mr. Butterfield to elaborate on bay windows. Mr. Butterfield said the windows are 4 ft. deep and 15 ft. wide. He sketched two windows on plans. Mr. Butterfield felt the windows plus mounding a slope not to exceed 3% and putting landscaping at wall should reduce bulky appearance and add interest. Member Rogers asked if there would be flue vents to be screened from public view. Mr. Butterfield said there would be exhaust fans and the like up there. He explained this was reason for 4-1/2 ft. metal screen. He showed sight line of screen from ground level. The same configuration would be used on metal screening as on concrete blocks. Chairwoman Sallan referred to retaining wall detail. Mr. Butterfield displayed drawing to show location of walls. Mr. Painter described material being used on walls. He explained how :rants will be trained Lo grow down walls rto -add additional creep a visual -interest. He -said they will -be seeking to lower wall heights wherever possible. The finish of walls would give appearance of rough sawn wood. - Ms. Kramer inquired why warm concrete -tone concrete to tie in with building was not being used. Mr. Painter said they were using the gray in context with asphalt parking lot. Mr. Butterfield said they felt this is the best combination of materials. The committee agreed to leave the walls gray. Chairwoman Sallan announced this was a Public Hearing and opened the comments. Thare were none hearing--for--public =-- .'ublic Hear- Member Koenitzer movad -seconded by Member Rogers-, to close- Public- -- �ng closed earin . Motion carried, 4-0 MINUTES OF THE NOVEMBER 21, 1974 H -CONTROL MEETING Member Rogers said she really would prefer to see the warm tone walls. Member Weinstein said he felt this could be left up to the architects to decide. A discussion ensued. Member Koenitzer moved to recommend approval of changes to HC -51,075.40 to City Council with the standard conditions, exhibits, and following special conditions: (1) Two bay windows similar to style of other display windows in center be added to east facade of Penney's. (2) That the metal screening on roof of Penney's be the same color as the concrete fascia on building. (3) That the applicant be encouraged to slope the parking lot on east side of Penney's from TBA section up to the parking lot on north side of Penney's. However this is an option and not a requirement. Seconded by Member Weinstein. AYES: Members Koenitzer, Rogers, Weinstein, Chairwoman Sallan NOES: None Motion carried, 4-0 Chairwoman Sallan notified the applicant this would be heard by the City Council at its December 2, 1974 meeting. The temporary sign was then discussed. Assistant Planner Kramer said the applicant's request was for two signs, 5 ft. x 15 ft. on 3 ft. posts. The colors would be brown background with green and yellow letters. Mr. Walter Ward, General Manager of Vallco, located approximate site for the single faced signs. Chairwoman Sallan asked about double faced signs. Mr. Ward said they could only be read from one direction Ms. Kramer had samples of colors and Mr. Ward chose a green and yellow as samples of colors to be used. Member Weinstein asked how long temporary was. Mr. Ward said about 1-1/2 years or until opening of center in March 1976. Member Weinstein noted there are Vallco signs which are excellent. They are now asking for 74 ft. of signing for 1-1/2 years. He did not think it was necessary to have such a large sign. HC -126 Page 5 HC -51,075.40 approved w/ conditions HC- 126 Page 6 rublic Hear- ing closed Temporary Signing approved HC -51,058.7 Home Federal Savings and Loan MINUTES OF THE NOVEMBER 21, 1974 H -CONTROL MEETING Mr. Ward said perhaps they could have it until November, 1975. He didn't feel it was too large because of magnitude of center and mass of build- ings. He agreed to cut sign to 4 ft. x 12 ft. Chairwoman Sallan pointed out there is a traffic light at Vallco Park Way and speed of traffic on Wolfe Road has been considerably reduced. This would justify smaller sign. The committee should address a sign they will be comfortab1_e with for an extended time. She pointed out the committee has the option of asking for a colored drawing. Mr. Ward said the committee could pick the colors. This was done. The meeting was then opened to public comment. There were none. Member Koenitzer moved, seconded by Member Rogers, to close Public Hearings. Motion carried, 4-0 Member Weinstein moved to recommend approval of temporary sign for Vallco Fashion Park. Sign to be dimension of 4 ft. x 12 ft. on 3 ft. osts of redwood or similar wood. Colors are to be green and yellow, No. 2325 and 2215 with Vallco brown background. Signs will be allowed to stand until opening of Bullock's. Seconded by Member Rogers. AYES: Members Koenitzer, Rogers, Weinstein, Chairwoman Sallan NOES: None Motion carried, 4 -0 - The applicant was informed the temporary s had been approved. At 8: 33 p .m. a break =was- -takenmeetingreconvening with at - --- 8:45 p.m. 2. Application HC -51,058.7 of Home Federal Savings and Loan Association of San Diego requesting approval of site, architecture, landscaping, grading and signing for a temporary building located at the northwest corner of the intersection of Scofield Drive and Saratoga -Sunnyvale Road. -Staff report: Assistant Planner Kramer said the applicant is planning to install a permanent bank at the present location of the Paint and -11 rdware -Store_ and the Merit-McBride -Realty_O fice.--The hardware- store has two more years on its present lease which means the applicant will not be able to develop the entire parcel at this time. After the lease of the hardware store expires, they are proposing to build a permanent structure closer to the front of the lot as shown on Exhibit A -l. MINUTES OF THE NOVEMBER 21, 1974 H -CONTROL MEETING Staff's main concern is for assurance that this building will be removed within 3 years and that a permanent structure will be built which complies with the general site plan shown on Exhibit A -l. The applicant must sign an agreement requiring him to return in three years to either renew the existing permit or obtain approval for the permanent building. The committee will be reviewing two phases. (1) The complete site, architecture, landscaping and signing plan for the temporary structure and (2) the tentative site plan for the permanent structure. Ms. Kramer pointed out non -conforming sign on slides of site. This sign is in front of hardware store and should be removed. The applicant said he had an agreement with the leasee that if the City so required, the sign would be removed. Member Rogers asked if undergrounding of wires would be accomplished by the time the permanent building was constructed. Ms. Kramer said she did not know what the schedule for undergrounding of these wires was. Approval of tentative map included a condition that the applicant pursue the possibility of a reciprocal driveway between the two adjoining lots. The traffic engineer and the staff have worked out a plan which would provide for the joint driveway access and would allow for a better flow of traffic. This was exhibited. It was noted a masonry wall will be required between the commercial and residential areas. Member Rogers asked if the litter and noise in loading area behind Safeway could be spoken to in conjunction with this application. Ms. Kramer said she did not see how this would affect the Safeway situation. Chairwoman Sallan said the committee needed to evaluate use and determine if there are unusual circumstances that will present an intrusion problem. The temporary building must be sited properly. Mr. Victor. Stark, Home Federal Savings and Loan, explained lease situation. He described temporary building which will be a modular building finished in redwood texture, concrete and a mansard roof. The landscaping will be ground cover, shrub and tree types which provide pinkish hue. The plantings along Scofield Drive frontage and rear of property will remain. Plantings surrounding the building, especially the trees, will be set in containers in the ground so that they can be moved at a later time. HC -126 Page 7 HC -.126 Page 8 MINUTES OF THE NOVEMBER 21, 1974 H -CONTROL MEETING Member Weinstein asked to have location of single family homes pointed out. Member Koenitzer pointed out the building will be 22 ft. from the property line and that this is not a noisy operation. They will not be operating at night either. Member Weinstein asked about getting the hardware lease broken. Mr. Stark gave background of situation. Member Weinstein said this -eras not the way -1 e wa=u-l-d= like- to -see --it proceed ze� €eIt this type of thing usually evolved into more difficulties. The temporary building is certainly not monumental architecturally and they do not know the permanent building will be what is proposed. Mr. Stark said the permanent building is Monterey Colonial. which basically will be the trade mark of their organization in California. There would be a few modifications. Site. _ Membex_Koeriitzer said e foundtiothtng wrong with -temporary-- site-. He said it was not a noisy or late hour business so there will not be that much intrusion on neighbors, especially with the wall. His only question was on sign and sign location. Might want to consider enlarging landscape area in order to satisfy sign location requirements. Chairwoman Sallan ascertained there would be approximately 28 ft. between resident and office building. She determined the applicant was aware of masonry wall requirement. Chairwoman Sallan inquired about landscaping at wall. Mr. Stark said they had not planned any specific landscaping because there would not be much visibility of wall because of location and ChatwomaniSallanasked about movi ilding a little easterly which would allow for landscaping. Mr. Stark said the parking lot layout had been recommended by staff. There is a 16 ft. landscaping strip which can be planted without moving building. It is difficult to work around existing landscaping and they would prefer not- to have to put in landscaping knowing they would -have to work there. -___ They could put in more shrubs in the 16 ft. strip. Retaining of existing trees was discussed. With regard to recipxocaldriveway. Mr. Stark gave background. He said. they had contacted owner of adjacent -property but -had come to no agreement. They _do -plan to pursue -this at later date. He explained their design for the driveway. MINUTES OF THE NOVEMBER 21, 1974 H -CONTROL MEETING Mr. Stark referred to utility pole at entrance to driveway. They have discussed undergrounding with the City and he understands there is no specific date scheduled. They will cooperate with the City on this. Architecture: Member Koenitzer felt that for a temporary building it ..was pretty good, noting the proposal was better than some existing stores. He referred to the Home Savings next to the Bank of America as an example of a good temporary building. Mr. Stark said in regard to time limit, they had no objection to the agreement staff is recommending. Landscaping: Member Koenitzer asked about sign placement. Ms. Kramer explained the requirement of 210' of linear frontage would necessitate the sign being on Scofield Drive. The sign cannot be placed in corner triangle for safety and visibility reasons. She pointed out the sign area allowed is 64.8 sq. ft. and the proposed sign area is 96 sq. ft. Staff is also questioning allowing a permanent sign at this time. Since it is a temporary building, they would suggest a temporary sign. Member Rogers asked if the parking space requirement would allow for sign placement out of triangle. Mr. Stark felt there was adequate parking. Chairwoman Sallan said it was safe to extend planter area and put sign on Scofield side; this was not a major problem. The specifics of landscaping plan were then discussed. Member Rogers pointed out that if mahonia is in shade it tends to get a very chewed appearance. She would like the landscape architect to look at this again. Mr. Stark said they are concerned about their appearance also and the landscaping will be well maintained. Member Koenitzer noted plum trees are deciduous. Chairwoman Sallan said she would question having one in the area directly abutting the parking area. She also felt another clump of mahonia could be added in area next to street. She pointed out several other areas which should be looked at. Mr. Stark said there would be a specific landscape plan drawn up using this as basis. Chairwoman Sallan said the committee would feel more comfortable seeing the specific plan. In answer to Chairwoman Sallan, Mr. Stark said they wanted to leave the front as is as much as possible. They had used the little triangle to conform with parking layout; can be expanded. He explain( why more landscaping could not be done until site was redone. HC -126 Page 9 HC -126 Page 10 MINUTES OF THE NOVEMBER 21, 1974 H -CONTROL MEETING Member Koenitzer pointed out the sign could not be permitted in the corner triangle as it comes under public safety aspect. Mr. Stark said they had discussed this with staff and had felt since they had in excess of 400 ft. of frontage, although not on one street, they would meet the requirement of 210 ft. He was not aware of prohibiting ordinance until -this evening. They have unique situation in that hardware store encroaches out. The -s-g—on Scofield wool-d--no-t give -_ coverage. It was ascertained sign would have to be in about 30 ft. to get it out of the triangle. Chairwoman Sallan suggested he might want to take a continuance on this portion of application. Mr. Stark agreed. airw asn °_� uggest I changed to evergreens. -4 There was no problem with regard to grading-. --- The hearing was then opened to public., comment. Mr. Frank L. Jarrett, 20668 Scofield Drive, Cupertino, said lid -was _ concerned because Scofield does not have sidewalks. There are young children. They are trying to discourage traffic. The business is an acceptable one. He wondered if the driveway on Scofield could be opposite alley way. He questioned if commer-ei-al zoning had been exteutled to edge o-si it did. Mr. Jarrett said they would like commercial signing kept off Scofield in order to maintain residential appearance of street. They would like the sign on Saratoga -Sunnyvale Road. Mr. Frank Farran, 20662 Scofield Drive, Cupertino, said this is a subs —t n al number of houses surrounded by -comme-rcial and arterial freeways. He was concerned about traffic which can readily gem from shopping center to residential area, and through residential area to shopping center. He would prefer it if traffic could not do this. Mr. Lou Lucas, 20669 Scofield Drive, Cupertino, said he was concerned about traffic pattern. Mr. Stark showed him how there would be a __ _ driveway even if common driveway cannot be arranged. Member Koenitzer spoke to Mr. Farran's concern of access through to Crossroads Shopping Center. He thought it prob-ably would be used —f -r -this --purpose:--_Heasked if staalooked into .- Ms. Kramer explained concern of staff that there should be some access to minimize amount of curb cuts and traffic on major street. There is a conflict of interests. This could be considered at time of permanent building application. MINUTES OF THE NOVEMBER 21, 1974 H -CONTROL MEETING After further discussion, Ms. Kramer said she would have the Engineering Department consider it. Member Koenitzer suggested leaving it open during period of temporary building and see what problems are, reconsidering it at time of approval of permanent building. Chairwoman Sallan noted they might also want to have the Planning Commission and Council look at this problem. In answer to Mr. Stark, it was clarified the committee wanted to see specific landscaping plans and that the sign portion of application was being continued. Member Koenitzer moved, seconded by Member Rogers, to close Public Hearings. Motion carried, 4-0 Member Koenitzer moved to recommend approval to City Council of Application HC -51,058.7 for site, architecture and grading; that the landscaping and sign portions of application be continued to next regular meeting. Also with the following special conditions: (1) That the Architectural and Site approval is for the temporary bank building on the subject parcel and for the conceptual site plan for the future building as indicated on Exhibit A -l. (2) That the applicant enter into an agreement with the City insuring that the temporary building will be removed after a 3 -year period. If it is not removed, it will be necessary for the applicant to apply for an extension of the Architectural and Site approval permit. If the extension is not permitted, then the applicant shall agree to allow the City to remove the building at the owner's expense. (3) That the traffic patterns, if any, of the traffic flow from Scofield Drive through Home Federal Savings property to and from Crossroads Center be reviewed when the application for the permanent building is brought in. Seconded by Member Rogers. Ms. Kramer said staff and Traffic Engineer will review traffic pattern again. AYES: Members Koenitzer, Rogers, Chairwoman Sallan NOES: Member Weinstein Motion carried, 3-1 IIC-126 Page 11 Public Hear- ings closed HC -51,058.7 approved w/ conditions Landscaping & Signing continued HC -12.6 Page 12 MINUTES OF THE NOVEMBER 21, 1974 H -CONTROL MEETING Member Weinstein explained his reasons for voting no. He did not feel the City would be gaining anything, and he could foresee problems with regard to lease. He would prefer leaving place as it is rather than putting this on it. Chairwoman Sallan notified Mr. Stark the approved portions of applica tioTrVould be heard by the—Ci-ty Co 1 -on _December 2, 1974. The next meeting of the Architectural and Site Committee is on December 5, 1974 and he could bring back continued portions at that time. Mr. Stark asked for directions on signing. Chairwoman Sallan stressed they could not put sign in triangle. There will be a new sign ordinance and he might want to take this into consideration. Member Koenitzer suggested they consider a temporary sign - a genuine temporary sign. 1 s,iyc td they might wan din ign rther than ---&ground r.ttk_said ny sign has to be fairly roe_' imbedded in con- crete. He asked if a small sign at corner and on building would be sat istactory for temporary --sig tg--This---ll_be _consl re'_ .t next hearing. NEW BUSINESS Member Koenitzer said he did not recall approving any improvements on Urich Gas Station. Member Koenitzer felt the new appearance of the station was a definite improvement. Ms. Kramer sari they were planning to do more and the ocn.erould lie making application for new sign. Member Weinstein asked if staff had dealt -with situation on Alpine Road. -is. Kramer said no. Member Weinstein expressed his concern that nothing had been done=Jn two years and there was another aplieati-•_. rr e -; -M-ter dialo-gue between Ms. Kramer and Member Weinstein, Chairwoman Salina asked that the minutes reflect the, commit ee's _conee -€gard ng Alpine Drive situation. She agreed with Member Weinstein that something should have been done in a two year period. Member Rogers referred again -to retaining wai-1--a:t Vailco- Fashion Park. She had had difficulty in getting a satisfactory-expIana- tion. Ms. Kramer said she would ask the engineers to give a written explanation of situation and what will happen in the future Member Rogers said she felt the wall wouldbe all right now Member Weinstein said he felt the committee spent too much time on trivia and let important aspects slip through them. - - Cnairwo?non Sallan reported on her conversation with Councilman Meyers regarding article in San Jose Mercury. Councilman Meyers said he had been quoted out of context and expressed his support of the committee and their work. MINUTES OF THE NOVEMI3ER 21, 1974 H -CONTROL MEETING Councilman Meyers had also called Members Rogers and Koenitzer to indicate his support. Ms. Kramer reported on agenda for next meeting of the Sign Review Committee. ADJOURNMENT At 10:55 p.m. the meeting was adjourned to December 5, 1974 at 7:00 p.m. APPROVED: Is/ Nancy Sallan Chairwoman ATTEST: Is/ Wm. E. Ryder City Clerk HC -126 Page 13 t