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HomeMy WebLinkAboutASAC Minutes 10-10-1974CITY OF CUPERTINO, STATE OF CALIFORNIA 10300 Torre Avenue, Cupertino, California 95014 Telephone: 252-4505 MINUTES OF THE REGULAR MEETING OF THE ARCHITECTURAL AND SITE APPROVAL CO124ITTEE HELD ON OCTOBER 10, 1974, IN THE COUNCIL CHAMBERS, CITY HALL, CUPERTINO, CALIFORNIA SALUTE TO THE FLAG The meeting was called tc order at 7:05 p.m. by Vice -Chairman Koenitzer with the Salute to the Flag. ROLL CALL Members present: Dressler, Koenitzer, Rogers, Chairwoman Sallan (9:00) Members absent: Weinstein Staff present: Assistant Planner Steve Piasecki Assistant Planner Toby Kramer INFORMAL REVIEW OF PLANNED DEVELOPMENT USE PERMIT APPLICATION: Assistant Planner Kramer said there were no Planned Development applications. There was an applicant requesting to make minor architectural changes and three sign proposals for the committee's inspection. Brunswick Bowling was proposing to change material of building. Ms. Kramer explained changes. With regard to the signs, the committee had requested the proposed center sign be reduced. Mr. Harper was presenting three alternate signs for their consideration. Mr. Harper of Brunswick said the material on building was being changed because there would be a delivery problem on original siding and also because the price had skyrocketed. He felt the aesthetics of this proposal was better. Photos of building with similar treatment were exhibited. The three sign proposals were described. Vice -Chairman Koenitzer noted he liked the original proposal with changes as made at last meeting. After discussion, it was agreed to handle the architectural change and sign proposal separately. HC -122 Page 1 HC -122 Page 2 MINUTE ORDER MINUTE ORDER MINUTES OF THE OCTOBER 10, 1974 H -CONTROL MEETING Member Rogers moved for a Minute Order for approval of change in building materials as proposed tonight with the exhibits as shown. Seconded by Member Dressler. Motion carried, 3-0 It was the consensus of the committee that they would prefer to leave the word "recreation" off the center's sign. Mr. Harper said he pre- ferred this also. It was noted the previous motion made it clear that there would be no reader board areas with moveable letters. After further discussion, Member Dressler moved for Minute Order for signing of Homestead Center as applicant proposed in Exhibit F 1st revision, that one third of sign dimensioning shall be used to identify application as Homestead Center and that one-fourth of remaining area of the sign be used to identify the Brunswick bowling and billiards as business will be conducted by the applicant. The over all dimensions of the sign shall be as previously approved and that the City reserves right to review lighting intensity after installation. Seconded by Member Rogers. Motion carried, 3-0 Assistant Planner Kramer then reported on Member Koenitzer's question regarding building in Oaks Shopping Center. The building was planned to be two stories but has been changed to one story with high roof line. J1;. Kramer also noted there were two applications on agenda that eeded to be heard in order to start building before the rain. n = =It was _ agreezf -t o= extend meet -in _ past tie 11.= 0 _p . t eft period if necessary. APPROVAL OF MINUTES Minutes of September 16, 1974 Minutes of Since only two of the members who had been at the meeting were present, A- k,.,.s _ 3. �s�_-it--Est-_-t [� ri3c* rr�e r Rogers �IIa -�-�� -ter - continued meeting. Seconded by Member Dressler. ' `- 'n carr-i-ed-. 3-p MINUTES OF THE OCTOBER 10, 1974 H -CONTROL MEETING Minutes of September 19, 1974 On page 3, last paragraph, the second line should read "..an option of selecting either a low parapet across entire front or two level parapet shown on exhibits. This ..." On page 6, condition (1), the third line should read "..of Mr. Mau's garage (approximately 26 ft. from curb) where it will....." On page 8, last paragraph, the third line should read "both signs he Homestead." Also fourth line should read "and at the top fourth of tenant part but bowler logo with Brunswick underneath." On page 16, the second paragraph under NEW BUSINESS should read "The building in front of the theater at the Oaks Shopping ....." Member Rogers moved for approval of Minutes of September 19, 1974 as amended. Seconded by Member Dressler. Motion carried, 3-0 Minutes of September 24, 1974 Since there were only two members present at the September 24, 1974 meeting who were in attendance now, Member Dressler moved to delay approval of Minutes of September 24, 1974. Seconded by Member Rogers. Motion carried, 3-0 POSTPONEMENTS - None WRITTEN COMMUNICATIONS - None ORAL COMMUNICATIONS - None PUBLIC HEARINGS: 1. Application HC -51,341.1 of Alice P. Siegrist requesting approve of site, architecture, landscaping, grading and lighting for the expansion of an existing shopping center located at 10215, 10225 and 10235 South Saratoga -Sunnyvale Road. Con- tinued from H -Control meeting of September 19, 1974. I HC -122 Page 3 Minutes of 9/19/74 approved as amended Minutes of 9/24/74 continued HC -51,341.1 Alice P. Siegrist MINUTES OF THE OCTOBER 10, 1974 H -CONTROL MEETING Staff report: Assistant Planner Kramer located shopping center in question,, noting use permit and zoning was approved by the City CoundflonnAugust -79, I974. The parking has been approved to- allow - a reduction from 61 to 57 stalls. This was necessary to allow for 9.5 ft. stalls. There is no leeway for further reduction of parking to allow for landscaping. It was requested an over all sign program be designed; the applicant has requested the ground sign be continued to allow himself time to contact U -Save Liquor. Site plan and architectural changes were exhibited. The main concern was the rear elevation of building. Applicant has made changes reflecting this concern. Slides were shown of site and existing buildings. There is an existing house which will be torn down. Another building used at present for doctor's office is not a part of this property. in answer to Vice -Chairman Koenitzer, Ms. Kramer said the building could be expanded at later date even though parking does not now was the north elevation which has no architectural treatment. If the doctor's office is later torn down, a completely blank facade will be facing north on Saratoga -Sunnyvale Road. Mr. Jim Moreland, 39 E. Main Street, Los Gatos, said the only improve- ment to site would be the landscaping berm. The utilities would not be undergrounded. Mr. Moreland explained partial two-story design. Portions of the -c-o-rr-i-& on--secondstory--will-be- ape hut_ host_-of_it will be enclosed. There will be employee parking in the rear with a mall -type walkway to front of building. Mr. Moreland answered Member Dressler that the colors will be typical of surrounding buildings. Mr. Moreland said they would like to change the arch on windows to a square window treatment as the cost of the arches was prohibitive. No change was being proposed in the grading. TI1T1TT With regard to landscaping, Vice -Chairman Koenitzer summarized comments submitted by Chairwoman Sallan. Ms. Sallan feels the landscaping is tooazse.There needs to be mounding in the 12 ft. strip along Saratoga -Sunnyvale Road. There also need to be plants along the building front under overhang. MINUTES OF THE OCTOBER 10, 1974 H -CONTROL MEETING Mr. Moreland explained landscaping plan. The 12 ft. strip is mounded and there will not be a lack of planting. There are three medium size trees, three large shrubs and ground cover on mounding. There is much denser planting on corner since the mound is not so high. In answer to Vice -Chairman Koenitzer, Mr. Moreland said the mound was about 4 ft. high. Mr. Koenitzer noted this was too steep for a 12 ft. strip. A 2 ft. mound with rounded slope was suggested. He also pointed out the three trees are deciduous so at least a fourth of the year will not provide any screening. The threes are 30 ft. apart with only three shrubs; should be much denser. Mr. Moreland suggested integrating photinia clustered behind trees to fill in void. In answer to Vice -Chairman Koenitzer's concern about deciduous trees, Mr. Moreland suggested camphor trees; Ms. Kramer said these were on the list of recommended trees. It was decided to change the tree in front of building to pittis- porum since proposed tree was a sharp pointed leaf type adjacent to paring area. Planter boxes under overhang to soften building were discussed. Member Dressler pointed out this was a walkway and was covered which would make it difficult to grow things. Mr. Moreland pointed out proposed locations of bicycle racks. With regard to lighting, Mr. Moreland said the lights on rear elevation were mainly to light alley and doors for security purposes There are existing lights now. He described the lighting plan. Vice -Chairman Koenitzer noted the signing was to be continued, but directed the applicant's attention to guidelines and discussions held on sign size and asked that these be taken under consideration when signing program was presented. Mr. Moreland said the sign in front would be removed, but he did not know what U -Save Liquor would agree to. They would be coming back soon with completed proposal. Vice -Chairman Koenitzer noted this was a Public Hearing and opened the meeting for comments. There were none. Member Dressler moved, seconded by Member Rogers, to close Public Hearing. Motion carried, 3-0 HC -122 Page 5 Public Hear- ing closed HC -122 Page 6 HC -51,341.1 approved w/ conditions MINUTES OF THE OCTOBER 10, 1974 H -CONTROL MEETING Member Dressler moved to recommend approval of HC -51,341.1 to the City Council with enclosures A, B -2nd Revision and C, subject to standard conditions and the -following special _ nonditions (1) The applicant be allowed to change his window design on store front to use square windows as opposed to arch windows as presented. (2) Applicant add 12 photinia in clusters of 3 to the front mounding in front of parking area. (3) Applicant substitute six camphor trees for prunus trees throughout the landscaping plan. (4) To change the flax plant in front of the building to pittisporum. (5) The City have the authority to review lighting for intensity after completion of project. (6) To continue the signing of building for another appli- cation. (7) To add bicycle racks as presented by the applicant. (8) To compliment applicant on architectural treatment of building. Seconded by Member Rogers, AYES: Members Dressler, Rogrs, Vice -Chairman Koenitzex NOES: None - Motion carried, 3-O The applicant was advised his application would now be heard by the City Council at its next meeting. HC -51,075.361 2. Application HC -51,075.361 of The Westfield Company requesting Th es t fi el d4 ex tin -4o Sect 442 -o company (2) ground signs to be located on one (1) parcel for an exist- ing light industrial building located at the southwest corner fvSevtember 19. 1974. MINUTES OF THE OCTOBER 10, 1974 H -CONTROL MEETING Staff report: Assistant Planner Kramer noted the building in question was owned by the Westfield Company in Vallco Park. The sign area allowed is 500 sq. ft.and 110 sq. ft. is being requested. The applicant is requesting two ground signs, 4 ft. x 3 ft. to be placed across from two entrances of building. She pointed out the entrances on plan layout. The sign will be redwood panel between two concrete posts. Slides were shown of the site. Ms. Kramer read page 667. of Sign Ordinance, Section 6.042, which states more than one sign could be permitted on lots with more than 210 ft. frontage if exception is granted. Mr. Terry Rose, Westfield Company representative, said they now have two tenants who are using one half and one fourth of the building respectively. They have allowed the tenants to place small signs adjacent to doors for identification purposes. In answer to Member Rogers, Mr.. Rose said they did not anticipate having any more signs even though there might be other tenants. Vice -Chairman Koenitzer noted Chairwoman Sallan.'s suggestion that E signs be moved further apart and that if the building is occupied in the future- by only one tenant, there should be only one sign. Mr. Rose said this had been discussed and explained proposed .function of two signs under this circumstance. Mr. Rose answered Member Dressler it would be the same color as material in lower portion of building. Signs were designed to fit with the building. The meeting was then opened to public comment. A resident of November Drive, San Jose, asked if this sign could in the future be. turned into a gaudy sign. Mr. Rose said there would be no lights on the signs. Vic` -•Chairman Koenitzer said each appli- cation had to be approved by the City and assured her this would not occur. Member Dressler moved to close Public Hearings. Seconded by Member Rogers. Motion carried, 3-•0 HC --1.22 Page 7 Public Hear- ings closed HC -121 M1Nti'FES OF THE OCTOBER 10, 1974 EL -CONTROL MEETING - I Page 8 hC 51.,0 S. 6 r'r Dressier moved to recommend api?roval of HC -31,075.361 as vud onted in ;; h' is I' and F-1 to the City Council, subject to ;------Standard conditions. Seconded by Member Rogers. -AYES: Members L_ressler, Rogers, Vice -Chairman Koenitzer Motion carried, 3-0 Mr. Rose was notified his application had been -approved and would be heard at the next City Council meeting. HC 5:1,:42.1 3, Application HC --51,342.1 of Ad --Art, Inc. (Brentwood Market) P. -Art, Inc. requesting approval of a sign plan for an existi ng commercial '[urge) troll n-OoULLU!. Lueel11i Y, U.L 0C_P LeuLueL iJ, w'i'f. Staff report: Assistant Planner Kramer noted the Mayfair chain had been taken over by Brentwood and the applicant is proposing to S replace the two existing wa11 signs with one wall sign and the Slides were shown of E xstl,.;ng building and the signs that would = c rep.Lac d. Ms. . .ramea_ pc r ted out sign t i rio be remo\; d, She noted the staff's concern that wall area behind existing sign be repainted when the signs were exchanged, or --- -- removed. - -le an_ ppl -ant has_ been given two ternat ves: The entire pole_ ,_.je 30 ft. in pole by the City. This would mean reducing the 1 to a maximum of ( 20 ft. and possibly redesigning the structure. Or the applicant can proceed with just the change of copy for Brentwood's with the condition that he will agree to modify the entire sign structure -in- Jan -nary rf--1-976 n -en Hl anew sa{ -the Sign- -Ordinance - in -ef e -c -t at chat time. Vice -Chairman Koenitzer pointed out they don't seem to have a ;rip to came ,1n with r._iGiOnt cite}} =for the .^enter. -- There should be some way to Lmprove center at icas': with regard to the signs. -- - - - — Mr. - 7 Peterson? 1715 6th Street reryv+_LIc, said t1 have no With regard to he nrstandshe -- -.-- —with -. quarrel staff. painting, _ owner intends di to take re of any necessary- painting. • Y `I 'I • MINUTES OF THE OCTOBEP 10, 1.974 H -CONTROL MEETING HC -122 Page 9 The major problem is the free standing sign. He referred to options being given and said the only problem is existing market which no longer operates in northern California and the tenant identification beneath. Mr. Peterson noted they have no control over other tenants. The amortization period was questioned. Ms. Kramer said it had not been established but that the applicant would be forfeiting this amortization period. Mr. Peterson pointed out the sign is within existing ordinance; Ms. Kramer clarified that the height was not. Mr. Peterson said they did not wish to inhibit over all improvement of center but they need to identify. He offered a compromise; they would accept approval of free standing sign that eliminates something that doesn't exist with a smaller size and accept amortization period as shown.in. new ordinance. He said his client's intent is to upgrade market as quickly as possible. Member Rogers asked what he was proposing as compromise on free standing signing. Mr. Peterson said they would remove approximately 13 ft. and reduce their can to 4 ft. He reiterated they had no control over any signs below theirs. The othe_ tenants are not willing to relinquish their rights. Member Rogers noted she would like entire area upgraded, Mr. Peter -- son said this would be a point of joint venture in terms of City, client and pressure brought to bear on landlord. Brentwood is willing to spend money on proportionate basis for upgrading site. Assistant Planner Kramer explained amortization period policy for this sign. • Mr. Peterson said they had discussed change of copy. To change copy would cost about three times as much as they are proposing. Present sign is much more garish than what is proposed. Member Dressler asked if Brentwood would consider going on bottom of pole. Mr. Peterson suggested eliminating staggered effect of existing tenant cans and place in square area which would reduce spread and they could still be on top. He said he didn't know if this was possible. In answer to Vice -Chairman Koenitzer, Ms. Kramer said if sign is approved, the application could be approved as temporary with options which will he given to signs after new ordinance in effect. Chairwoman Sallan arrived at 9:00 p.m. She noted this is similar situation to Planned Development ordinance. The applicant should consider either option 1 or 2.• She read then to the applicant. ;IC -1.22 rh'ge 10 MINUTES OF HIE OCTOBER 10, 1974 H -CONTROL MEETING tr, eter9on said again he dill not ccntrc l entire sign The best he could do was bunch them tcget^e-_1i: --noted -they__, e__n .y reaues_t ink; to cnange panel to cooperate with citys dsire or improvement; AAssistent Planner ICranor suggested approving sign onhuildi_n.g and ting to work_ out -samethi .»- er_and _other _ tenants.____- _ M. s n agree Il we rer -he €l ---the. r -e -c -e -rd —to= re fleet a=they would have ability to put panel back up; they wanted it out now from advertising standpoint; however, when decision is made that change of copy is agreeable, they will be able to put it back on the pole. Chairwoman Sallan fl t application should be evaluated under intent of new ordinance; Ms. Kramer pointed out application would have to be considered under what is now law. Chairwoman Sallan.-asked for clarification of landscaping :intent. - Mr Peteraon said=the __s flcy of-_Brentwaod mss--to-npera_ter-i-i he best looking facilities possible and they would pay their propor-- tionate share when the center was upgraded. lie noted the landlord had said something about considering upgrading in the near future. The nearing was opened for comments from the audience; There were none. bibllc Hear-- Coairwnman Sallantilt;Jedd. seconded by ..Member z ogers, to close Public log closed ! Ilea ring, - JMot on carried, 4--0 fi I C 5 ry P. Member R - .- - - - _ ve1 a/ hap, E;xhibits F and F --1, in regard to the sign on the face of the n. I}_t ions building as proposed and the understanding that any repainting would be done as necessary, and to postpone the consideration of the ground sign until a time not to exceed 60 clays. The present fi ---�_ free star_ding-sigh ua' be modified to the extent of removing Mayfair portion of sign on a temporary basis with a possible rcinstal_e ition with copy change as approved by the committee. Seconded by Chairwoman Sallan._ Alembers Oresaler, Keen I tzo r, Rogers, Chairwoln.nn Sallan unGI;S . � , PVo_.. �loc: : o —n ---parr id, 4-0 13 = ice t. Cdr . £ ttz +tc3Vefl p-ertd ____a1J I cation would be heard by the City Council at its ncxt regular meeting. MINUTES OF THE OCTOBER 10, 1974 H -CONTROL MEETING At 9:30 p.m. a recess was announced with the meeting reconvening at 9:35 p.m. at which time Chairwoman Sal.lan reassumed the chair. 4. Application HC -51,027.111 of Cupertino Town Center requesting approval of a directory sign fcr an office complex located at the east side of Saratoga -Sunnyvale Road and Town Center Lane Continued from H -Control meeting of September 19, 1974. •_Staff report: Assistant Planner.Piasecki said the sign being requested is a single -faced, freestanding directory sign for th.e leasing office. The sign will be visible from the street. The sign program for the Cupertino. Town Center neglected to specify allowable number and location within the center. However, there are numerous signs through the center which indicate the telephone number for leasing information; in addition, there are two small signs placed along Town Center Lane directing the passing motorist to the leasing office. A drawing of sign was displayed to the committee. The sign will be 4 ft. x 5 ft. and will be 6 ft. 4 inches off the ground. Slides were shown of the site, and proposed location of sign pointed out. • Member Koenitzer ascertained the existing sign is 5 ft. in height. Mr. Piasecki pointed out the possibility of serving the intended purpose by relocating the sign in an area where motorists will not potentially inhibit traffic flow or by incorporating this sign into the existing directory signs located throughout the center. Mr. Ron Mastel, 755 Chestnut, San Jose, said this . sign was needled to keep other tenants from being pestered. Existing directory doesn't seem to suffice. This is their initial attempt to rectify problem. Member Koenitzer said this was advertising to traffic .on Saratoga - Sunnyvale Road and he felt there were other ways of getting tenants. Mr. Mastel pointed out height is not objectionable because of foliai and colors are earth tones. lie suggested a temporary conditional use; they would be receptive to any suggestions or comments from the committee. HG -1.22 Page 11 HC -51,027. 1].1 Cupertino Town Center IIC-122 P t ga 1.2 MINUTES OF THE OCTOBER 10, 1974 H -CONTROL MEETING twoman Sa Llan said they could redesign this sign. s op.ic- p-anccd. She asked where -- M. Lydia Wentz, 1035E So. Blaney, Cupertino, said the existing sign is -sZtsi-sally- tfl±g wlr is it Dart r without giving_ 1-o-eaie.- The other 2t--ar-e-_unh-appy because they are being, interrupted to-di-rect people The present. sign was described and discussed. Member Kocnitzer ascertained leasing portion of sign is twice as large as other signs on directory board. Chairwoman Sallan said the City of Cupertino 's concern is that there not be more signing than is necessary. There are other centers around who use the same or similar approach. -Me-ntser-Knenit:zer sugge-step-.a netter-saga- or c ec fir as a at a— - Sunnyvale Road. 1- 4 -- Chairwoman Sallan summarized the committee was having trouble approving this sign on major frontage. She suggested the - _fo h;� to serve their purpose w:it'rt staff aY — --- --- interior signs. x , LC -51X02 7 IIl Member oenitzer moved to continue HC -51,027.11?_ to the next 3 o a_tnued to regular ric:,3ting to give applicant time to work with staff and text rf 't '. e", In e possible Solutions. Secouuded by Member Rogers. meeting --Matihn carried, 4-0 IC -51,02; ,:14 S. Application u(',-51,027.14 of James W. Foug & Associates Janus W. Fog (Security Pacific National Bank) requesting approval of a & Associates 4 sign plan for a bank facility located at the northeast corner of Pacifica Drive and. Sar-'toga-Sunnyvale-Road. - Continued from Ii -Control meeting of September 19, 1974. • Staff report: Assistant Planner Kramer gave isack.ground- of this • < cac i.on as rcLun _rier all sign pr0 ^.'n w[IiC worQms :ii; .i.Ft-1ArnY' diretatiy .. nI ,vur_her_ elevation Bona wall signs are rt. 4 Inc es • -- chairwoman allan ascertained .._ . - — ground level. She was concerned is . .:- not Thek attractive. The sign will only be 24 ft. from sidewalk. J MINUTES OF TilE OCTOBER 10, 1974 it --CONTROL MEETING . HC --].2. 2 P a ge 1.3 Member Koenitzer suggested putting logo on flat portion of southern elevation. I Mr. Ray Clark, Security Pacific Bank, Los Angeles, said the building is half way finished and will be opening in about 8 weeks. He would.11 like to resolve something tonight as they are in a bind timewise. sign are 10 inches. The Mr. Clark said the letters on hanging $ traffic does not see parallel sign and they need a perpendicular sign. The signs are in complete accordance with the ordinance,; are in fact less than half what is allowed. Member. Dressier asked Mr. Clark about putting logo on wall. Mr. Clark said the height of logo would put it within 3 ft. of the ground and it is not meaningful by itself. ► Chairwoman Sallan pointed out there is no landscaping on this 'c elevation to obstruct visibility. She asked if it were possible to reduce size of logo. Mr. Clark said it was possible but not feasible and not acceptable to the bank. Chairwoman Sal.lnn noted she was not happy with Pacific Drive exposure and wondered how much planning had gone into it. Mr. Clark the hanging sign was only an alternate since free stand-- said ing sign was denied. The motor banking sign was discussed. Mr. Clark asked if it would be possible to determine feelings of committee and if it is indicated a denial would be given, he asked the committee to work out a solution. Member Koenitzer said he had no trouble with sign on west surface and motor bank sign could be lived with; he had commented on the original application that he did not want sign on south elevation. Member Rogers asked in view of time constraints and since. City Council would not be meeting on October 21, could he work with staff and continue to October 24 li-Control meeting. Member Dressier suggested the committee approve sign on west elevation and the applicant come hack with another application for south elevation. i Mr. Clark said the building is at stage where they must provide for the signs. he showed a slide re'>.dering of hanging sign. Since it: would appear the application would be denied, Mr. Clark proposed having signs on uauL and West elevations. The meeting was opened for comments from the public. There were none. lC I' ge 14 MINUTES OF THE OCTOBER 10, 1974 H -CONTROL MEETING Public Hear- I Member Rogers 1nou i-,--seccu� si + -'Ae oer nit r, to close T Public Hearingti Lrl� closed �b _- ---- Motion carried, — r' 1 ) 1 r 1 er R n " ' i � moved ! e_comrieadapproval 5 ) % 1.t, to �. 71,t.L7.�4 �°fe.naF_._ n_c�".sc:._e,- tu of�C-�I,O_.. , approved kJ, ; the City Council with the st;tint„ic d coudicionst Exhibit i-21£ ondi Lions Revision and with the foll_t}:a7:Leg spec'Z l conditions (1) 'that there be no sign on the south facade of the building. (2) That there be a sign on east facade of building which duplicates in size and appearance the sign on west side of building. } (3) Other signs, Motor Banking, Clearance and Traffic ----- - control -sign.s- -- :re- i-n-eluded in the ap- n-vni . Seconded by Member Rogers. NOES: 'Tone Chairwoman Salian noted the application had been approved and woulu be heard by. the City Council at their next regular meeting. - Fir, ati nnathe aj ia_-r his - . for to- ci t,' Gouu'L T4 .oma.dad c.omttaa setting goals stir in to -them• 1C -•57.,I9`)-.3 6. Appli:e:ation FC-51;199-.3 of Winchell's Donut house (HcClellan Square Shopping Center) request:' —o„ exception- on- ,-n 5c c- tion 7.02 Donut House f of the Sign Ordinance to allow a sign area in excess of the allotted square footage for a donut house located in McClellan --- Square Shopping Center at the northwest corner a -f Saratoga- -____ Snyvniond E?Uiclxee:r revue■ — — : - c `.Poi r3.= Staff.. report: 7!?a���ant i'1.anne�=Piasez�riY ilote � the r�ftue44�z is --_ - _ ., one, 1 located -. btu id in • .'._.nt: c..-1 t .e existing Fl, _ on {� ems.. —� ,_Ic rant_ is- a± ozr - d 37-.-L;_-- f .. ,7 ,1A h.--4 n, i t -a tnl •-i1 tr SO n fr. - Jli. 2-.'-* 4 MINUTES OF THE OCTOBER 10 , 1.974 H -CONTROL MEETING Pictures brought in by the applicant showed window signs being displayed which are not allowed. A letter submitted by a resident in the area objecting to proposed sign was noted. Staff report stressed the following major points should be considerec (1) The Sign Ordinance requires that the applicant identify the exceptional or extraordinary circumstances applicable to this particular application which do not apply generally to other buildings in the same area. Similary, it requires the applicant to show that granting of the exception is necessary for the enjoyment of a substantial property right. (2) The applicant is proposing to locate the sign facing an existing residential neighborhood. (3) The existing sign, mounted on the front of the store, identifies the business to motorists traveling west on McClellan Road and north and south on Saratoga -Sunnyvale Road. The proposed sign will serve to identify the business to motorists traveling east on Saratoga -Sunnyvale Road only. (4) The applicant is requesting a 100% exception from the sign area regulations of the zoning ordinance. Mr. Mark Zimmerman, Winchell's Donut House, introduced the owner of McClellan Square. Mr. Ronald E. Cali, 3804 Woodcreek Lane, San Jose, said after consulting with the Board of Directors of McClellan Square they had decided there were no objections on their part. He indicated their support of this application. Mr. John R. MacKay, 5298 Lindley Avenue, Encino, California said he was head of signing program for Winchell's in southern California. He commented he had sat through many such meetings and this was the only committee that dealt with the philosophy of signing rather than the letter of the ordinance as most Planning Commissions did. Mr. MacKay gave, their reasons for asking for more signing. He noted their average sale is 42, much lower than most businesses. When there are limitations as stringent as this, it makes it very diffi- cult on their managers. He referred to photos, noting they are 300 ft. from major highway with gas station, bank, and Samba's between them and street. They need all the exposure they can get. HC -122 Pave 1.5 HC -122 Page 16 MINUTES OF THE OCTOBER 10, 1974 H -CONTROL MEETING Hr. MacKay displayed drawing of monument type sign they would "Like to place on mound in front of their store. Member Koenitzer said they must show there are exceptional or extraordinary circumstances. He referred to Clint's who are operating under the same restrictions. He could not see where any of these reasons for an exception would apply to Winchell's that did not apply to the other shops in the center as well. Member Rogers asked if the business was suffering because of under- exposure. Mr. MacKay said they had opened three stores within one week and Cupertino has fared less well than the others. The other two stores have much better signing. This is the only relevant difference. 1embe-r Dress le -was answered by Mr^- MacKay thatevery -- with center showed three signs that had been approved by everyone, to as late as May, 1974. It wasn't until they came for permit that they realized there would only be one sign. Mr. MacKay noted Winchell's needs an excess of 700 customers a day. tenants. This would only give them exposure from the east but Mr. M.achy pointed out this was a larger number of cars. Chai.rwo*-,an Salian noted the committee was not in favor of granting application but they did understand problem. She asked the applicant if they would like to go back to owner and design a €or MECie-elan Square-_which-s,Tauid _face -McClellan- tree.t_ __----------- - She suggested it be placed toward Highway 9. Mr. MacKay asked about monument sign if other tenants were not interested in sharing sign. Ms. Kramer named individual signs that are already on the parcel. Mr. Piasecki pointed out ordinance allows two shopping center signs not an individual tenant sign. Member Dressler felt exposure from the east was a problem but a solution should be considered for all tenants. After further discussion, Mr. Cali noted he would like to talk to his hoard of Directors and the applicant asked for a continua- tion. Mr- Piasecki ave the apply can a copy oftrafficstd and Ms. Kramer suggested they come in and discuss with the traffic engineer. The meeting was opened to comments from the audience. There were none. MINUTES OF THE OCTOBER 10, 1974 H -CONTROL MEETING Member Koenitzer moved to continue to next regular meeting on October 24, 1974. Seconded by Member Rogers. Motion carried, 4-0 7. Application HC -51,344.1 of Mackay & Somps (Ponderosa Homes) requesting approval of modification of landscaping for a residential development located at the northeast corner of Orange Avenue and McClellan Road. Staff report: A condition of approval on tentative map was that any tree removal would be subject to H -Control approval. The property was located and the trees under consideration were pointed out. There are a number of Prune and Almond trees in poor condi- tion. The trees that the applicant was proposing to save were exhibited. Staff is in agreement with these choices and also suggested that the Almond tree on Lot 17, the two Pines on Lot 15 and the 34" Pepper tree in front of Lot 6 be saved. The City and the developer have agreed to modify the sidewalk and cul-de-sac in order to save. the Pepper tree. The real problem relates to the grading around the tree. A tree surgeon will be required to submit a report to the City stating whether the tree can be retained and make appropriate suggestions for maintaining the tree during and after construction. Member Koenitzer was told the committee could not require any change in layout. Chairwoman Sallan said it was another after -the -fact situation. It was difficult to rectify and correct in terms of 1 -and use. She had two suggestions: (a) A tree ordinance speaking to specific type and size that should be saved and (b) it should be resolved at planning level taking into account the possibility that he intensity and density of the development may have to be modified because of the trees. She noted this could be the beginning of dialogue on how this problem should be handled. Member Dressier said specimen trees should be saved but the orchard trees will die out in cycle anyhow. Member Koenitzer noted the 2" diameter Pine and the 1" diameter redwood can be replaced and grown to this height within two years. 5" scrub Oak could be considered; Pepper tree should be saved. He wondered what could be done if you can't say draw a plan that doesn't involve trees. HC -122 Page 17 HC -51,199.3 continued HC -51,344.1 Mackay & Somps HC -122 Page 1$ MIiUTES CF THE OCTOBER 10, 1974 H -CONTROL MEETING Member Rogers said something should be considered at the preliminary review or Planning Commission level. • Mr. Steve Hawley, Ponderosa Homes, said they had just gotten final map from City Council Monday night, subject to tree removal approval by this committee. He said these homes will cost $65,000.00 and up. Mr. Hawley said they also want to save as many trees as possible. { With reference to redwood trees on Lot 15, from a practical standpoint • they will put in some other specimen trees rather than try to save these. With. regard to Pepper tree, it is a hardy tree and they will do everything in their power to save the tree as it will enhance the value of Lot 6. Mr. Hawley said if the tree is as shown at corner of back sidle of house, they will be able to protect it easier than if itwereout in the walkway as earlier shown. The tree surgeon had said the best way to protect it during grading operations is to make it clear to the superintendent that the tree is to be protected at all cost. A fence may cause more harm to the tree, Mr. Hawley said they would save the Pines if possible; the Olive tree on Lot 8 can be saved. They would rather substitute another tree for the Almond on Lot 17as the tree does not look that good and there will be filling. The Avocado on Lot 14 will be saved. _....- - Trees- t.? - `_. __wii .-_c1&t--_..redwood trees; will use best efforts to save trees but it not will replace with trees of equal size or value; are willing to provide to the staff if they require a letter from tree surgeon with reference to the Pepper tree on its protection during con- struction and afterward. Ms. Kramer said she would give the developer a statement to give to contractor covering care and maintenance of trees. Chairwoman Sallan pointed out statement was to include all trees. The hearing was opened to public comment. There were none. "_±1ic Lear- rMember Koenitzer moved seed bMeither fingers, to close - - - , earl mho closed u. i.. - _ Motioncarried, 4 MINUTES OF THE OCTOBER 10, 1974 H -CONTROL MEETING Member Rogers moved for approval of application HC -51,344.1 in regard to saving the trees as recommended by staff. Staff's present don will be followed by the applicant. Plan showing method of preservation of the trees will be submitted by the applicant and provisions will be made for replacement of trees not saved with the exception of redwood and almond on Lot 17 which need not be saved but will be replaced subject to staff approval. Seconded by Member Dressler. Motion carried, 4-0 8. Application HC -51,345.1 of May Investment Company requesting approval of site, architecture, landscaping, gradinglighting and signing for a single-family cluster development located adjacent to and westerly of Finch Avenue approximately 150 ft. northerly of the intersection of Calle de Barcelona and Finch Avenue. Since the applicant was not present, Member Koenitzer moved to continue to meeting of October 24, 1974. Seconded by Member Rogers. Motion carried, 4-0 9. Application HC -51,346.1 of Carl Franklin requesting approval of landscaping for the removal of three trees in a single- family subdivision located on the north side of Bollinger Road between Clifden Avenue and Martinwood Way. Staff report: Assistant Planner Kramer said there are three major trees on the two parcels that face Gillick Way. If the applicant were to use any of the floor plans proposed for the lots facing Bollinger Road, there would be room for the tree. The applicant states there is no way to build house around crees on the one lot. Mr. Carl Franklin said the two lots facing Gillick are much larger than those facing Bollinger. The houses were designed to utilize the lots. The homes were slid 27 ft.and still catch trees. To use other floor plan would cause loss of good aesthetics for area itself and not utilize larger lots. He said he was willing to put in 20 gallon tree or whatever they liked. He is planting 12 trees on the five lots. In answer to Member Koenitzer, Mr. Franklin explained how houses have been changed in design to accomodate lot sizes. Mr. Franklin said the Willow trees are very messy; Member Rogers noted they have a very invasive root system also. HC --122 Page 19 HC -51,344.l approved HC -51,345. 1 May Invest- ment Company continued HC -51, 346 .1 Carl Frank]ii HC -122 j MINUTES OF THE OCTOBER 10, 1974 H -CONTROL MEETING Page '20 _1'_Lc Hear- in -L -dosed HC -51,346..l aF,proved w/ condition Member Koenitzer suggested putting a 24" box tree on each lot on Gillick. The meeting was opened to comments from the public. There were none. Member Koenitzer moved, seconded by Member Rogers, to c1ob:l.ie Hearing. — *Motion carried, 4-0 Member Koenitzer moved to approve HC -51,346.1, that they be permitted to remove three trees and that developer will place one 24" box tree on each of the lots on Gillick Way. Seconded by Member Dressler. REVIEW OF CHANGE OF COPY OF SIGN FACE: Motion carried, 4-0 iionson's Inc. j 10. Golden West Sign Company (Monson's Inc.) requesting change of next, meeting Since applicant was not present and there were questions regarding the proposed sign, member Koenitzer moved, seconded by Member Rogers, tocontinue to next regular meeting. Motion carried, 4-0 NEW BUSINESS iiir,ute Order -A-discussion was held relatveo -tree--saving. --Ms.--Kramer said -t-e-- staff is concerned and will be looking at this closely in the future. A standard on this will be worked on in the near future. Member Rogers moved a Minute Order to the Planning Commission that the City has the intent to save trees wherever possible - even to the extent of some inconvenience and rtirnor expense to the applicant. Implementation thereof should be considered at the earliest possible -- time in the application process - at the Planning Commission level. To wait until further along in the application process is to is lan�ise etc. at the time of preclude � tY to P � s-- consideration and to Item poor fix in many does late on. The applicant should be informed so as to present as a part of his original proposal his plans for saving trees -w e -re ple ad-=1tmethod to insure that this s done. Close' `coordination Sb�uTdb maintained with staff and staff approval must be obtained in such effort. MINUTES OF THE OCTOBER 10, 1974 H -CONTROL MEETING Chairwoman Sallan added that this committee would be happy to work with Planning Commission, staff and City Council in the development of a tree ordinance and or guidelines for tree identification and preservation. Seconded by Member Koenitzer. Motion carried, 4-0 Assistant Planner Kramer asked that suggestions for guidelines be turned in as soon as possible. Chairwoman Sallan asked why H -Control is a committee instead of a commission, what the difference, is and could the status be changed. Member Dressler asked if coffee could be perked for H -Control meetings. Member Dressler was answered the "shed" on porch was for Honduras relief collection by resolution of the City Council. ADJOURNMENT At 12:30 a.m. the meeting was adjourned to the meeting on October 17, 1974 at 4:30 p.m. APPROVED: /s/ C. Nancy Sallan Chairwoman ATTEST: /s/ Wm. E. Ryder City Clerk HC -122 Page 21