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HomeMy WebLinkAboutASAC Minutes 08-29-1974CITY OF CUPERTINO, STATE OF CALIFORNIA 10300 Torre Avenue, Cupertino, California Telephone: 252-4505 MINUTES OF THE REGULAR ADJOURNED MEETING OF THE ARCHITECTURAL AND SITE APPROVAL COIThIITT'EE HELD ON AUGUST 29, 1974 IN THE LIBRARY CONFERENCE ROOM, CITY HALL, CUPERTINO, CALIFORNIA The meeting was called to order at 7:42 p.m. by Chairwoman Sallan. ROLL CALL Members present: Dressler, Koenitzer, Rogers, Weinstein, Sallan Members absent: None Staff present: Associate Planner Robert Cowan Chairwoman Sallan welcomed Member Rogers back. PUBLIC HEARING: Chairwoman: 1. Application HC -51,075,40 of Vallco Park, Ltd. requesting approval of site, architecture, conceptual landscaping and grading for the regional shopping center located southerly of and adjacent to Freeway Route 280 at its intersection with Wolfe Road, extending southerly on the westerly side of Wolfe Road from said Freeway, on the easterly side of Wolfe road to Vallco Park Way. Continued from H -Control meeting of August 21, 1974. Chairwoman Sallan referred to staff summary dated August 27, 1974 and asked if there were any questions. Member Weinstein suggested the applicant might have a presentation. Member Rogers had a question on items reviewed on August 21. One question was in regard to reducing slope from 5 ft. to 3 ft. in the parking lot and what to do with the fill. Mr. Ward said there was always need for fill. Member Rogers suggested using it for berm. The Associate Planner reported there had been a late meeting that day on a slight adjustment of sound wall location on west boundary line and suggested this be discussed tonight. HC -116 Page 1 HC -51,075.40 Vallco Park SIC -116 MINUTES OF THE AUGUST 29, 1974 ADJ. H -CONTROL MEETING Page 2 Member Koenitzer asked if there were samples of brick. Mr. Butterfield said there were, and he also had slides showing materials in use. Chairwoman Sallan said remarks should be confined to areas that had not been previously approved. Member Koenitzer expressed concern about compact parking spaces on the aisles. He noted people park in authorized places and felt these were invitations to larger cars to park illegally. Mr. Ward said there would be a 24 -hour police service and towing cars away also discourages this. Mr. Butterfield said the raised concrete ends on aisles would also make it difficult. It was agreed this was a management problem and Vallco should insist on enforcement of proper parking. Member Rogers asked if there were spaces that would not be used except during Christmas and other peak periods. Mr. Ward said these would be used for employee parking. Tennis courts had been another suggestion. He answered Member Rogers' concern that these areas would be patrolled also to prevent unauthorized usage. Mr. Butterfield noted the landscape architect would be in later to speak to landscaping portion of application. Mer:.cer Rogers asked about 1 to 4 ratio on wall. Mr. Cowan said he had researched zoning approval and there were no reference to height in terms of conditions. He said there is an ordinance, but it does not apply to Planned Development zoning. Mr. Leonard gave his recollec- tions of what had been the Planning Commission_ intent at that time. Mr. Butterfield then spoke to Member Weinstein's suggestion of getting outdoor space in frequency of movement through the mall. This has merit and will be kept in mind, but they are not ready to commit to design of total mall at this time. One of the themes will be to recall the orchard days of Cupertino. There will be growing trees and this will entail open areas. The final design work on mall is now being started. There will be some means of getting outdoors somewhere in the middle area. Mr. Ward said he had talked to the Council of Shopping Centers and one problem was that of energy. An outdoor court in an air conditioned mall would require an open air curtain or a double set of doors. It would be expensive and also require more energy consumption. After further discussion, Member Weinstein said he would want approval to be conditioned that they return with plan for outdoor area. Mr. Ward said he did not think it was in the jurisdiction of this committee to plan an interior mall; however, they were trying to address themselves to this suggestion. MINUTES OF THE AUGUST 29, 1974 ADJ. H -CONTROL MEETING Chairwoman Sallan said this committee has had ability to review interior but have not done it. She felt it was appropriate to do so with this application because of its impact and its unique character to the City. Mr. Ward said they are considering an atrium approach among others. He understood their concern, but it would be defeating the purpose to have an air conditioned mall without an air condition or a double set of doors. Member Weinstein ascertained they were talking about a 20% increase in power usage. The Associate Planner noted the use permit is approved based on this concept. A huge section being open is beyond the scope of this committee. Member Weinstein said the problem with shopping centers is that he is kept constantly indoors. This center can be enhanced by adding a spot where one can walk outside and sit, or just walk through, but be outside. He felt a concept of this could have been prepared by now by the architects. Mr. Butterfield pointed out -the outdoor dining area off restaurant. Member Weinstein felt either the concept should go in as condition of approval, or they should take their plans back and modify them. Mr. Ward reiterated there is not a single enclosed shopping mall with open area in the United States because of reasons given. There would be an area where people could enjoy greenery but could not go into, such as an atrium. Other means of achieving effect without having actual outdoor area were described by Mr. Ward and Mr. Leonard. Chairwoman Sallan said it was the feeling of the committee that this was well within the scope of the committee on this particular concept. She asked the Associate Planner if this committee had the ability to make decisions on interior of mall. Mr. Cowan said the concept of increasing the mall had been considered. This was the basic concept that had been approved. An open mall could be sent to Council, but he did not think they could change the concept. UC-116 Page 3 Chairwoman Sallan said the concerns had been raised, so she would make the decision that it was within the scope of the committee. HC --116 I MINUTES OF THE AUGUST 29, 1974 ADJ.: H -CONTROL MEETING Page 4 The chairwoman then polled the committee to see if they felt they should .pursue some approach that would give open space area. Members Rogers, ,Weinstein and Chairwoman Sallan said yes, Members Dressler and Koenitzer said no. Member. Koenitzer said the skylights would provide plenty of sunlight within the mall. To be able to walk through a nice landscaped area is fine, but is not necessary for shopping. The plans for openair areas seem to be very adequate. Member Dressler said there was plenty of open space outside areas. There are other areas that can be developed such as the entry way along the north side of Penney's which could be made into an elevated garden area, the bridge over to the restaurant which could be widened and benches added. This would come off the second level of mall giving a chance to walk outside. Another area is the public transit at ground level, Member Weinstein said it should be open areas in the path of the shoppers. Member Rogers said shewould like to see something really unusual. She did not think it was asking too much to have open spaces open to Call fornia's wonderful weather. Mr. Ward said he would like a clarification. If it is just open areas where the shoppers can sit and enjoy the landscaping, these are planned. If it is something that effects the air conditioning, this is a severe change. Chairwoman Sallan suggested the possibility be explored of having a little schematic plan developed that would show how people could get an open air feeling without making major modification inside. She referred to other areas suggested by Member Dressler. Member Koenitzer said the main walking area is the L or centerway through mall and he would object to poking a hole in there so it is open to outdoors. Landscaping around entrance or esplanade between Penney's and mall entrance is something the committee could ask for and he would expect to see this on the landscaping plans. The foot- bridge to the restaurant is a new idea. Mr. Butterfield pointed out the rooftop landscaped corner. He felt it should be an area that was already outside. MINUTES OF THE AUGUST 29, 1974 ADJ. H -CONTROL MEETING The Associate Planner said if the vote is to be taken literally, it should be cleared whether the committee is talking about changing concept or adding to exterior with some type of contact with the environment. Mr. Ward pointed out there are seven courtyards or gardens with living trees. They will be creating the effect of being outdoors in these seven areas. Before they can go any further with definitive plans, they will have to wait until permit is granted. Mr. Butterfield suggested that at all major entry points (he pointed them out on exhibit) there be some kind of landscaped area with benches. This puts them in flow of movement through mall and can be a condition of detailed landscaping plans. He answered Member Rogers that the bus stops are included in this. Member Weinstein answered Chairwoman Sallan's query if the committee would be comfortable with this approach by saying landscaping at entrance was satisfactory, but was an expedient solution to his request. All Vallco had to do is get talents of architects involved and get what he has asked for; it is a simple request. If the architect were to say after studying this that there was no feasible way of doing it, he could accept this. Mr. Ward noted perhaps he had not made himself clear at beginning of meeting. He reiterated that he had contacted architect who said it was not feasible because of reasons given. Chairwoman Sallan noted it was technically feasible. A design for "pause areas" could be attained by plants to attract people to an area. The Associate Planner then asked if the committee could approve the concept of an air conditioned mall. Member Weinstein said with the condition that there be some landscape( pausing area in reasonable juxtaposition to mall itself and this woulc give the architect a broad field to explore. Chairwoman Sallan summed it up that in addition to artifical environ- ment the committee would like a natural environment created as well. Mr. Butterfield then referred to Section 1, Architectural Plan. They had just discussed A (Investigate the possibility of an outdoor area in the mall) B. (Eliminate the third -story effect of Penney's air conditioner.) They have taken off air conditioning and incorporatedmechanical equipment of TBA. They have amended elevation to show this. Only raised portion is entrance area which was pointed out on exhibit. HC -116 Page 5 HC -116 MINUTES OF THE AUGUST 29, 1974 ADJ. H -CONTROL MEETING Page 6 C. (Investigate possibility of putting air conditioner on TBA building.) This has been done. D. (Alternatives for the brick material for the mall. shops. Are there materials that are lighter in color - samples to be presented at the meeting.) The samples were distributed and discussed. Slides were shown of building structures incorporating the different color bricks. Mr. Butterfield pointed out how light colors jump out through landscaping; dark colors let the landscaping stand out. He answered that 50% of construction would be of the brick. The model was displayed. Member Dressler asked if Sears would change color of building. Mr. Ward said Sears management had asked that concerns be directed to them rather than to Vallco. Sears wants to cooperate and can be involved later. They cannot realistically relate until it is known what the shopping center will be doing. Chairwoman Sallan pointed out the committee has consistently said that Sears is not integrated with the plan. The committee must make a deter- mination of what they want done., if anything, to the architecture of Sears. This conception should be raised at this point and forwarded to the Council, who can act in accordance or in defiance, however they choose. The coifraittee does have the responsibility to consider this as a total shopping center and this would include all aspects, recognizing that Sears is different from it at this time. Mr. Ward said Sears wants to be a good neighbor and to cooperate, but their application should not be denied because of what Sears does or does not d.o. Mr. Butterfield referred to rendering, pointing out relationship between Sears and mall. He noted Penney's has yet to submit design. He answered Chairwoman Sallan that he did not know when Penney's would be submitting design. Mr. Ward said this was waiting on suspension of use permit. Mr. Ward pointed out that Penney's, Bullocks and Sears would be slightly different but the mall would integrate them. Ile did not feel it was proper at this point to talk more about Sears without having Sears management present. Chairwoman Sallan said she was concerned about each store coming in separately instead of as a total plan. Mr. Ward said Mr. Butterfield has been working with architects from Penney's and Bullocks. MINUTES OF THE AUGUST 29, 1974 ADJ.. H -CONTROL MEETING Mr. Butterfield pointed out Vallco has design control over what Penney's does and they will certainly give them criteria of what has been designed. Mr. Ward reminded the committee that Penney's will be coming to them for approval. In answer to Chairwoman Sallan, Mr. Ward said it was a condition of Council that the parking lot lights at Sears be changed, but he would not be comfortable about committing -a budget to change the architecture of Sears. Chairwoman Sallan said there were two points to be decided: One was the particular color of brick -and the second was whether or not to invite some dialogue between Sears and the City. It was agreed to send a letter to Sears inviting them to come before the committee and Mr. Butterfield was asked to be present. He agreed. The Associate Planner raised the question how this would relate to this application. He pointed out that part of mall shops are on Sears property and the perimeter road creates a need for some re- design so obviously Sears is involved. The point seems to be to what degree will Sears be required to change. Chairwoman Sallan said it seems to be a question of who pays for modification of Sears. Vallco Park would prefer Sears to be involved in the modification. The committee should decide if Sears should be modified, or if shopping center can work without Sears being modified. Member Weinstein said Sears modification does not have anything to do with this architecture. You either approve of it or you don't. This is better than any shopping center around here. Chairwoman Sallan said it was within the scope of this committee to say if Vallco Park should assume responsibility for change in Sears architecture. Member Weinstein felt this was unreasonable. Member Koenitzer said the main problem in Planned Developments is where do you insist that planning be done. He suggested asking Sears to talk with the committee, but they could not do more than ask them to talk. Mr. Butterfield said he has designed connection to Sears assuming no change to Sears building. It could probably do more harm than good in trying to alter the building; it could wreck what was already a difficult situation. Concentration should be in screening aspects of approaches, periphery landscaping and let the building be. HC -116 Page 7 TIC -116 Page 8 MINUTES OF THE AUGUST 29, 1974 ADJ.H-CONTROL MEETING Member Weinstein asked if it would improve the visual impact to change tile from red to brown.___ Mr. Butterfield said he did not think it would Mr. Butterfield answered Chairwoman Sallan that the brick work stops 40 ft short of Sear's building. Chairwoman Sallan asked what thoughts could be discussed with Sears about tying in architecture.Mr. Butterfield said the Sears building was too definite and complete a design to make any appreciable alteration to it. Maybe a different color of stucco, but that might tend to make it look bulkier. He has given a lot of consideration to this concern and feels his proposal is best solution., He answered Member Dressler there was an obvious economic advantage of tying mall to Sears. Mr. Painter said landscaping could be used to change Sears appearance rather than altering building. After further discussion, the committee agreedthe original proposal of the brick to be used was best. Chairwoman Sallan then asked if the committee. was in favor of having Sears come in. She asked Mr. Butterfield what his thinking was on ways to modify structure. He reiterated that it was his best considered opinion that it would be better to leave Sears building alone.He did not want to suggest any alterations to it. Mr. Ward suggested if the committee approved of this concept, it would be more opportune in six or eight weeks to discuss the matter with Sears; after they had something for them to identify with. Chairwoman Sallan said a letter should go now and a meeting set with Sears. She would e ahft time in planning rather Lhau after the fact. The Associate Planner asked if this development would be tied down to _-.C-4- _— _.L tom- —..r _._-._nl.....-4 -�— ra-L.i tl A et tion application landscaping -wise, but not structure -wise. Mr. Ward said it was his opinion the committee could not condition this on Sears landscaping, although he felt Sears would cooperate. After a lengthy discussion, the committee agreed to condition this application on Sears' landscaping. g• At 9:35 p.m.-a_recess was taken-, with the meeting reconvening at 9:50 p.m. Chairwoman Sallan advised the discussion about Sears would be held until after the landscaping discussion. MINUTES OF THE AUGUST 29, 1974 ADJ. H -CONTROL MEETING With regard to item E (discussion of proposed roof material), Mr. Butterfield said the standard roofing gravel would be used. Member Dressler noted it was an expansive area to cover and there would be people looking down on it; however, he had no real concern about it. In answer to Chairwoman Sallan, Mr. Butterfield said the usual color of the gravel was grey. She also ascertained the equipment would be housed internally. The only things on the roof would be the minor plumbing vents. The committee agreed the pea gravel would be satisfactory. 2. Conceptual Landscaping Plan Chairwoman Sallan asked that Mr. Painter address the possibility of an area behind Penney`s. Mr. Painter said he would try to address every question raised last time. Since there is landscaping on edge of 4 Phase, there was no need for 20 ft. on shopping center property. He pointed out areas of steep slope condition. He proposed putting 5 ft. of the 20 ft. into another area where parking is in highest relationship to entrance drive. He described plan and used drawings to illustrate treatment being proposed. Mr. Painter answered Chairwoman Sallan that wall is 3-1/2 ft. high. There is an 11 ft. change of grade. Mr. Painter then spoke to condition along Wolfe Road if road were widened and described solution being proposed. Another concern of committee had been the area in the restaurant parking lot. He described proposed configuration. With regard to perimeter wall, he had prepared two exhibits of special situation. He explained how these had been alleviated. There is 15 ft. of utility easement but the utilities were planted on east edge. If the wall were put on the property line, it could be on pipe line. Vallco Park will put wall on their property. There will be an agreement with the owners of the property on other side of wall not to cut down redwoods. The other area is at Amherst Street. They are suggesting a straight wall line with indentations and plantings in the indentations. Vallco Park will provide plantings on the residential side. Member Rogers referred to 10% reduction in parking and said she would like to see this space used in some different way; something for contrast, such as a rose bed. HC -116 Page 9 _-11.6 age 10 MINUTES OF THE AUGUST 29, 1974 ADJ. H -CONTROL MEETING Painter said the main_ concern of the cmmittee was to see this 10% - icti.-on--in---oarki-ng-_s- aees- -used -most- eff et-ively- placing green- areas - _ detailed plans, they would have exact plants, entrances with benches, etc. Member Rogers noted she would like to see the use of more water. The difference in grade on Wolfe Road and the parking lots was discussed. Member Weinstein said with this concept, no parking would be seen; it might be difficult to locate parking lots. He thought it an excellent conceptual plan. The discussion then moved to Item A (Determine the feasibility of land- scaping on the Sears property). Mr. Painter said he had listened to their comments and had talked with - _ -- Mr.Wardd:- -He-had also studied_lands cape Mans ._-The_ primary thing is the trees already on edge of property. Since these trees are already there -and-the--sp-rinkler--sys-tem ice,--it---would---nat--be-feasible_-to p-ut earth on top of the roots. So they did not recommend a mound. They do recommend dense and continuous shrub planting around perimeter set immediately behind the second row of ash trees. This is the minimum program. The second thing would be establishing more tree planting with emphasis on planting close to the perimeter on end would be to beef up parking row islands. within the parking lot. This would certainly tend to make it more compatible from the public viewpoint. In answer to Member Rogers, Mr. Painter said he thought it would be more effective to have large trees in the parking lot rather than Member Koenitzer asked about the possibility -of getting planting area along retaining wall on parking lot side of wall at Wolfe Road. Mr. Painter said the concrdI t is is -there now is nuue- should be totally hidden. He suggested a creeping vine in planter. Member Koenitzer said his concern was not in hiding the wall, but screening -the cars-. Mr. -Leonard said --this- corner is mostobdection- _ _ -_- able and pointed out where with proposed plan this part comes out and becomes lower level parking lot which will solve the problem. -Chairwoman Sal -Ian_ noted there seemed to be an agreement from last meeting that Sears should tie in landscaping -wise. Mr. Ward suggested the —city and the committee would be more favorably • received -by Sears if-af,te-r landscaping plans are approved, Mr. Painter be asked to do drawings for Vall-co Park of what he would recommend for Sears and the relationship between existing architecture and what Vallco would be. Vallco Park could then contact Sears' architect and ask if in the light of these conditions, they felt changes should be made to bring them up to standards of the area. - MINUTES OF THE AUGUST 29, 1974 ADJ. H -CONTROL MEETING Mr. Leonard told how this approach had worked with State Division of Highways. In answer to Chairwoman Sallan, Mr. Leonard described what he meant as "belligerent" approach. He said he seemed to hear from this body an "if Sears doesn't do it, Vallco will have to" stand. Member Weinstein said he felt the approach suggested by Mr. Ward was reasonable. Dependent upon Sears reply, other approaches could be considered. Mr. Ward said he felt they could have drawings and committee could have an answer from Sears before final plans were approved. Chairwoman Sallan said the question was whether or not the committee considered Sears to be a portion of the regional shopping center application. If they did, it is within their scope to exact conditions on this application. They are a recommending body and if their action is deemed inappropriate, the applicant can appeal and City Council will make final decision. Economics should and will be worked out at City Council level; this committee is dealing in aesthetic philosophy. Member Weinstein said if Sears refused to do anything, the committee would be right back to whether or not they approved of this conceptual plan. They must make a decision of whether or not they will approve the center, regardless of Sears. Chairwoman Sallan said they could deal with this application and make no conditions relative to Sears, or they could make Sears a condition of this application which would place responsibility on the applicant to work something out with Sears. Member Koenitzer said he felt the problem would have to be addressed by City Council. This problem relates to any Planned Development which comes in as separate pieces. The Associate Planner said there are two issues here. One is the forcing of Sears to integrate architecturally and the other is forcing them to integrate landscaping -wise. As a condition of use permit, Vallco Park is making lots of off -site improvement. Since they are linked together the landscaping will have to be worked out and this is a valid issue. The architecture is something else. In answer to Member Weinstein, Mr. Cowan said the project won't be approved until detailed landscaping plans are approved. Chairwoman Sallan insisted she felt it must be a condition of this application. HC -116 Page 11 h -116 tMINUTES OF THE AUGUST 29, 1974 ADJ. H -CONTROL MEETING ?age 12 After further discussion, it was agreed that modifications on conceptual landscaping plans are satisfactory and that architectural modifications are satisfactory. The original proposedwasmos satisfactory solution - - area was to come in on final plans. This was agreed to by Mr. Ward. The ---Associate- Planner referred to two modifications -being -requested. The wall will be built separately center. He explained again the reasons for moving wall and modifications being requested. Mr. Painter also explained landscaping proposed. The meeting was opened to public comment. There were none. Public Hearing; Member Dressler moved, seconded by Member Weinstien, to close Public closed Hearings. Motion carried, 5-0 all modifica- Member Weinstein moved to approve wall modifications as per drawings ion approved L-1 and L-2. Seconded by Member Koenitzer. Motion carried, 5-0 It was noted the top of the wall would always be level; if step in wall occurred it would be at property line, or as close as possible. Grading on east side of property was then discussed. The hearing was opened for public comment. There were none. 3.Falic Hearing Moved by Member Dressler, seconded by Member Koenitzer, to close Public 1_osed snearzn s . Motion carried, 5-0 ublic Hearing, After discussion, the hearing was reopened. eopened Mr. Ward suggested a letter be sent to Sears asking them to consider architecture in light of landscaping revision. --5l,O75.40 Member Dressler moved to recommend to the City Council approval of proved w/ --_-application HC --51,075.40, subjecttostandard conditions, with -the rnn itions following H -Control exhibits, A, A --1, A-2, A-3, A-4, B, B -I, -41--2, B-3, B•-4, B-5, B-6, C, C -1, D; D -1, F, F --1, and additional exhibits as presented during the hearing as necessary to be supplied by the City staff, and the exhibit that pertains to Bullocks Store can be texc-luded from tills motion: MINUTES OF THE AUGUST 29, 1974 ADJ. H -CONTROL MEETING The motion is to include the following additional conditions: (1) That the grading for the project on the east side of Wolfe Road be approved with the addition of retaining walls and berming as presented in the landscape concept during the hearing. (2) That the architecture and colors are approved for the pro- ject as presented. (3) That the ratio of automobile parking spaces shall be 75% standard cars to 25% compact cars and modify existing ordinance to use 9 ft. wide spaces for standard cars and thus provide the applicant with more space for planting and landscaping. (4) That the parking lot grade fill on the north side of Penney's store shall be reduced to 3%. (5) That an outside area for resting, sitting, etc. that is in juxtaposition to the mall itself and close to the general flow of foot traffic be included and that this area be shown in the final landscaping plan. (6) That the penthouse that housed refrigeration equipment on top of Penney's store is to be removed and the mechanical equipment to be housed over the TBA annex building to the Penney's store. (7) That the landscaping plan is to have conceptual approval. (8) The final approval for the landscaping plan shall be conditioned that the applicant present preliminary drawings to the Sears store management, suggesting landscaping modification to more closely relate to overall center and that the architectural modification to the Sears building also be suggested whereby the Sears store is to similarly blend appropriately with the overall architecture of the mall. The intent is to have the Sears store tie in with the rest of the shopping center as a total planned project. (9) To continue the architecture of the restaurant and the Penney's store to separate hearings with the intent that the architecture of these two units shall also conform to the project. HC -116 Page 13 c-116 MINUTES OF THE AUGUST 29, 1974 ADJ. H -CONTROL MEETING ;ge 14 (10) TQ-compliment the applicant as represented by Ralph Butterfield and Michael Paiuttr for their p Bence,-�expertise and cooperation. Seconded by Member Koenitzer. Chairwoman Sallan said she did not feel it was established there would be a presentation to this committee. Member Dressier said as covered in item 8. A lengthy discussion on means to insure that this application was conditioned on Sears tie in then followed. Chairwoman Sallan felt an amendment would be in order. Amendment After further discussion, the following amendment was made by Member Weinstein. Given the complexity of relationship between the Sears store and mall as proposed and given the complexity of land ownership, this committee feels there is a need regardless of what agreements can be - ---- reachecl-or nom reached between -Vasco —Par. --and -tears-fo-i re -Sears frontage on Stevens Creek Boulevard and Wolfe Road perimeter of Sears to be landscaped. If Vallco park andSearscannot reach a -workable - agreement on landscaping modification that the City Council use their authority to somehow insure landscaping of Sears perimeter such that cars are screened and the general aesthetics are brought within entire mall and shopping center concept. Seconded by Member. Rogers. Amendment approved VOTE ON AMENDMENT AYES: Members Dressler, Rogers, Weinstein, Chairwoman Sallan NOES: Member Koenitzer Mott i -carried, 4 -VOTE ON M N Motion carried] AYES: NOES: Members Dressler, Koenitzer, Rogers, Weinstein, Chairwoman Sa.11an None Motion carried, 5-0 ras-fn-frtrrmed- -tars--would be heard -by —the City - ouneiL-------- -- 1, - Member Rogers reminded the applicant of her suggestion for -more --water= and some unusual design -for addition Vices . - E MINUTES OF TILE AUGUST 29, 1974 ADJ. Ii -CONTROL MEETING Chairwoman Sallan reminded the committee that the next regular meeting would be on Wednesday, September 4 at 7:00 p.m. There would be a sign ordinance meeting on September 11 and starting with the September 19 regular meeting, meetings would be held on Thursday evenings rather than Wednesdays. A short discussion was held on means of providing that overall plans be submitted for Planned Developments. Guidelines were suggested. Chairwoman Sallan suggested it be put on the agenda at some meeting and the committee could bring in written comments. ADJ OURNMENT The meeting was adjourned at 12:10 a.m. to the next regular meeting on September 4, at 7:00 p.m. APPROVED: /s/ C. Nancy Sallan _ Chairman ATTEST: /s/ Wm. E. Ryder City Clerk IIC-116 Page 15