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HomeMy WebLinkAboutASAC Minutes 02-20-1974CITY OF CUPERTINO, STATE OF CALIFORNIA 10300 Torre Avenue, Cupertino Telephone: 252--4505 MINUTES OF THE REGULAR MEETING OF THE ARCHITECTURAL AND SITE APPROVAL COMMITTEE OF FEBRUARY 20, 1974 IN THE COUNCIL CHAMBERS, CITY HALL, CUPERTINO, CALIFORNIA SALUTE TO THE FLAG The meeting was called to order at 7:37 p.m. by Chairman McLaren with the Salute to the Flag. ROLL CALL Members present: Members absent: Staff present: APPROVAL OF MINUTES: Dressler, Koenitzer, Sallan (7:45), Weinstein, Chairman McLaren None Associate Planner Cowan Minutes of January 17, 1974 Member Koenitzer wished to include the following Table of Costs after paragraph 3 on page 5. 1 gallon sizes 5 gallon sizes 15 gallon trees 24 inch box specimen trees $0.85 to $2.50 $3.50 to $12.00 $22.50 to $28.50 $120.00 and up These are wholesale costs. Retail costs are 2.5 to 3 times as much. Planted costs are 2 to 8 times these costs, depending on size. There being no further corrections or additions, it was moved to approve Minutes of January 17, 1974 as amended. Motion carried, 4-0 HC -101 Page 1 HC -101 Page 2 MINUTES OF THE FEBRUARY 20, 1974 H -CONTROL MEETING Minutes of January 23, 1974 Page 6, paragraph 8, Member Koenitzer wished the first sentence to read "....no problems with cars hitting the posts supporting the trellis." On page 11, condition (5) the word "underwritten" to be deleted and replaced with the word "null". On page 13, paragraph 3, Chairman McLaren noted the word "when" in the fifth line should be changed to "if". It was moved that the Minutes of January 23, 1974 be accepted as corrected. Motion carried, 4-0 Minutes of February 6, 1974 On page 2, next to last paragraph, Member Koenitzer noted the abbreviation of decibels should be dbA. On page 3, first paragraph, the last line should read "....wire clearance regulations". On page 12, first paragraph, second line, the word "bounced" to be changed to "returned". There being no further corrections, it was moved to accept the Minutes of February 6, 1974, as amended. Motion carried, 3-0 Chairman McLaren - abstained Member Sallan - abstained POSTPONEMENTS: None WRITTEN COIMUNICATIONS: None ORAL COMMUNICATIONS: Member Sallan reported Councilman Jackson had spoken to her regarding the building lights of Bob's Big Boy. She noted she would have comments at end of meeting regarding intensity of lights and brightness of red on sign. MINUTES OF THE FEBRUARY 20, 1974 H -CONTROL MEETING PUBLIC HEARINGS: 1. Application HC -51,320.2 of Karpet King requesting approval of a sign plan for a commercial building located at the northeast corner of Stevens Creek Boulevard and Randy Lane. Continued from H -Control meeting of February 6, 1974. Staff report: The Associate Planner reacquainted the committee with this application. Although the applicant was not present, the Associate Planner felt it was important to take action as this was an illegal sign. After a brief discussion, Member Sallan moved, seconded by Member Koenitzer, to move this application to the end of Public Hearings. Motion carried, 5-0 2. Application HC -51,002.6 of Triangle Associates req uestin� approval of site, architecture, landscaping and grading for a triplex located at Lot G, Tract 2769, La Cresta Subdivision, Alpine Drive. Continued from H -Control meeting of September 5, 1973. Staff report: The Associate Planner said he had no comment on site; mainly a question of architecture and landscaping. He pointed out either asphalt or shake roofing would be used. The applicant had indicated shakes were difficult to get. Chairman McLaren noted there were three balconies and asked if this would create an invasion of privacy. Mr. Cowan said these balconies do not overlook other apartments. He described the relationship of this building to adjacent properties. He explained need for retaining wall along the eastern property line which would be in addition to the 6 ft. fence. The 6 ft. fence would be from the high point of grade. Slides were shown of the site and adjacent properties. Mr. Patrick J. O'Conner., 1655 Alexander Ct., Los Altos, answered Member Sallan that existing fruit trees would have to go. In answer to Member Weinstein, the Associate Planner said the question of two-story homes in La Cresta Subdivision had not been pursued because of continued work on the General Plan and implementing ordinances. HC -101 Page 3 HC -51,320.2 Karpet King Moved to end of Public Hearings HC -51,002.6 Triangle Associates HC-lOl MINUTES OF THE FEBRUARY 20, 1974 H -CONTROL MEETING Page 4 Member Weinstein said he was not happy with architecture. He wanted an explanation of why so many roofs. Mr. O'Conner explained this was done to create a flowing pattern rather than having one high roof. He pointed out it was no higher than the one next door. Member Weinstein noted 26 ft.. is very high; Member Koenitzer said it was a reasonable height for a two-story building. The Associate Planner said it was a standard hip roof configuration. Member Weinstein questioned the use of asphalt roofing. Mr. O'Conner said the shakes were difficult to get and the cost was also a consideration. He said the asphalt would be good looking and at that height would not be that discernable. Chairman McLaren noted that because of fall out from Permanente plant, the shakes could be damaged. Chairman McLaren said she liked the looks of the plans and thought this building would fit in with adjacent buildings. In answer to Member Weinstein's question as to why balconies were put on east and west elevations facing adjacent triplexes, Mr. O'Conner said the balconies were included to secure architectural detail and add a feeling of openness. Member Weinstein suggested closing balconies in concrete. Mr. O'Conner pointed out balconies are over 100 ft. from rear buildings and overlook parking area and garages. Mr. O'Conner said the building facing the west balcony had two small windows that appear to be bathrocm windows; the wail facing the east balcony had two small windows toward the center of the wall. The Associate Planner showed how balconies were situated so there would not be a direct view. Member Sallan said she did not have enough information to make a decision. Member Weinstein asked if these hearings were advertised so that anyone would have had an opportunity to appear before this committee. The Associate Planner said there was no provision for this for an H -Control meeting. Member Koenitzer said he felt the roof was rather "busy", but the changing of this would entail redoing the plans and he didn't see this. Member Sallan asked about materials being proposed. She had con- cerns about an asphalt roof. She suggested a policy statement should be made requiring samples of materials to be brought to the committee. It was decided to discuss this possibility after public hearings. Grading presented no problem. MINUTES OF THE FEBRUARY 20, 1974 H -CONTROL MEETING Member Sallan suggested that 1 gallon plants be changed to 5 gallon size. Mr. O'Conner pointed out the plants are on 2 ft. centers. He proposed reducing number of plants by half and using 5 gallon plants. Member Sallan said she thought this would give more attractive effect for first two years. Mr. O'Connor expressed his opinion that 1 gallon plants give healthier and faster growing landscaping. Chairman McLaren asked for comments from the audience.. There were none. Member Koenitzer moved, seconded by Member Sallan, to close Public Hearings. Motion carried, 5-0 Member Sallan moved to approve Application HC -51,002.6 with the standard H -Control conditions, and Exhibits A 1st Revision, B 1st Revision, C 1st Revision, D 1st Revision. Seconded by Member Dressler. AYES: Members Dressler, Koenitzer, Sallan, Weinstein, Chairman McLaren. NOES: None Motion carried, 5-0 The applicant was informed this would be heard by the City Council on March 4, 1974. 3. Application HC -51,102.2 of Mobil Oil Corporation request- ing approval of site, architecture and landscaping for an existing service station located at the southeast corner of Stevens Creek Boulevard and Stelling Road. Staff report: The Associate Planner used exhibit to describe application which related to addition of canopies and additional landscaping. He pointed out the staff's recommendation that the masonry wall to the south be deferred. HC -101 Page 5 Public Hearings closed HC -51,002.6 approved HC -51,102.2_ Mobil Oil Corporation Slides were shown of site and site'plan. HC -101 MINUTES OF THE FEBRUARY 20, 1974 H -CONTROL MEETING Page 6 In answer to Member Koenitzer, Mr. Cowan said the pumps would not be moved. Chairman McLaren ascertained there was no bond covering the future wall addition. In answer to Member Sallan, Mr. Cowan said addition of pre -cast wall would not cause any damage to existing landscaping. The Planning Commission will be looking to this area within the next three weeks. Member Koenitzer said a decision might possibly be made before this application was installed. Member Sallan suggested a landscaping planter be added along westerly egress -ingress area with similar principal being used on Stelling Road. Member Weinstein felt the site needed substan- tial landscaping. Mr. John Kehrli, 66 Bovet Road, San Mateo, said their main concern was the installation of two canopies. With regard to planters on front side, he noted there was a 14 ft. clearance from island to property line and 15 ft. was considered minimum by Mobil Oil Corp. He suggested it might be a hazard for people getting out of their cars. Member Weinstein pointed out this would help cure the problem of double parking and also add to aesthetics of station. Chairman McLaren asked how a car could get around stacked cars if someone decided they didn't want to wait in line. Member Sallan said she did not think the additional planters would preclude operation of station and would add to appearance. Mr. Kehrli said there was minimum ingress and egress space now. Chairman McLaren asked staff to comment. Mr. Cowan said there are no requirements covering this. Member Weinstein asked why 15 ft. was considered minimum. Mr. Kehrli said it was a standard condi- tion required by Mobil; it had been proven that for customer convenience 15 ft. was needed as a minimum. Chairman McLaren said she felt staff should check this out with regard to safety factor. Chairman McLaren asked about sprinkler system. Mr. Kehrli said it was their policy to put an irrigation system in planters. Mr. Kehrli asked if a letter signed by a Mobil executive would suffice in lieu of a cash bond. Mr. Cowan said he could not speak for staff; the normal procedure was for a cash bond. Lighting spill over into street was discussed. Mr. Kehrli explained lighting design. In response to Member Weinstein, Mr. Kehrli said 800 milliamp fluorescent bulbs were used. MINUTES OF THE FEBRUARY 20, 1974 H -CONTROL MEETING Member Dressler suggested enclosing the ends of the canopies. Mr. Kehrli said an attempt had been made to match design of existing building. Member Sallan said she was concerned about status of plantings. Mr. Kehrli said the large corner planter could use maintenance this would be done. Member Sallan said she would like to see something interspersed along rear wall which would give a taller height. Mr. Kehrli pointed out there are existing trees. A discussion was held of possible plants for the additional two planters. Member Sallan said there is a new off-white fluorescent bulb being manufactured. Chairman McLaren asked for comments from the audience. There were none. Member Koenitzer moved, seconded by Member Sallan, to close Public Hearings. Motion carried, 5-0 Member Koenitzer moved to recommend approval of HC -51,102.2 to the City Council with the standard H• -Control conditions, Exhibits A, B and B-1 and with the following additional conditions: (1) That two 3 ft. wide planters be installed next to city sidewalks; one on Stevens Creek Boulevard between exist- ing driveways and one on Stelling Road between existing driveways. (2) These planters be planted with plants that will grow to approximately 3 or 4 ft. height of dense growth. One suggestion is to plant Hebe as in rear planter. (3) Close gable ends of canopies with a material and finish similar to the rest of the canopy. (4) The applicant be required to post a bond or other instrument as requested by City staff for the completion of wall at south edge of property if that wall becomes necessary. HC -101 Page 7 Public Hearings closed Seconded by Member Dressler. HC -101 Page 8 HC -51,102.2 approved w/ conditions MINUTES OF THE FEBRUARY 20, 1974 H -CONTROL MEETING Member Weinstein moved to amend the motion with the stipulation that the lighting intensity be subject to review. Seconded by Member Sallan. Member Koenitzer noted that until some standard of intensity and some of way of measuring intensity was settled on, this is an academic question. VOTE ON AMENDMENT AYES: Members Sallan and Weinstein NOES: Members Dressler, Koenitzer and Chairman McLaren Amendment failed, 2-3 VOTE ON MOTION AYES: Members Dressler, Koenitzer, Sallan, Weinstein and Chairman McLaren NOES: None Motion carried, 5-0 The applicant was notified this would be heard by the City Council at its March 4, 1974 meeting. At 9:15 p.m. a recess was called with the meeting reconvening at 9:25 p.m. 4. Application HC -51,259.81 of Edwin J. Myers requesting approval of site and architecture for a proposed bank facility located in the Portal Plaza Shopping Center at the northeast corner of Stevens Creek Boulevard and Portal Avenue. Staff report: The Associate Planner said Planning Commission was now hearing discussion of 16 trip ends for bank. Would be consistent with General Plan. This application would be to review site plan and architecture. Lighting, grading and landscaping would be coming back at a later date. Using preliminary plans, he described scope of application. The uses in the Center require 257 spaces including the free-standing bank. Total spaces provided are 251 with 6 spaces allotted for the drive -up windows. Mr. Myers indicated the landscaping at service station would be done. The Associate Planner said Mr. Myers' position now was there would be no additional landscaping on site to the degree asked for by H -Control. MINUTES OF THE FEBRUARY 20, 1974 H -CONTROL MEETING Mr. Cowan pointed out that ASAC would be approving circulation on site. Member Koenitzer questioned how certain parking spaces in rear of bank could be effective because of stacked cars waiting for drive up windows. Member Weinstein said he would like to see more planters in the parking area; also the triangles at ends of parking spaces could be planted. If this is the final plan for this Center, he would like to see substantial landscaping done. Landscaping around service station was discussed. Mr. Edwin J. Myers, 10601 S. Highway 9, Cupertino, signed in. An extensive discussion was held regarding traffic flow around the bank. Mr. Myers suggested he could work further with the traffic engineer regarding this problem. The committee felt perhaps there was no need for so many parking spaces. It was ascertained there is a study going on regarding the number of parking spaces needed. Member Koenitzer brought up the question of whether you create parking for average use or peak use. Member Sallan marked her plans in with suggested landscaping, and were submitted to Mr. Myers and the City staff. With regard to architecture, Mr. Myers described the bank build- ing and other buildings in Center. He also showed a sample of porcelainized steel which would be used on bank building. He gave the reasoning for having included canopies on the building. Member Koenitzer felt the canopies looked "added on". Mr. Myers suggested removing canopy over drive -up window. Slides were shown of the site. Member Weinstein said he did not like the architecture and would prefer a Spanish —type building or something that more adhered to style of Sears. Member Sallan pointed out where existing planters needed mainten- ance. Chairman McLaren asked the applicant if he would be willing to have a continuance of his application. Mr Myers said he would prefer a decision. HC-lel Page 9 Member Dressler said he did not like the building. HC -101 MINUTES OF THE FEBRUARY 20, 1974 H -CONTROL MEETING Page 10 Member Sallan said she liked the building, but would like to see the canopies redesigned. Member Koenitzer liked the building except for the canopies. Member Sallan said the east and west elevations should have land- scaping to offset blank walls. Chairman McLaren opened the meeting to comments from the audience. There were none. Public Hear- Member Koenitzer moved, seconded by Member Sallan, to close Public ings closed Hearings. Motion carried, 5-0 The Associate Planner commented on proposed 4 lanes adjacent to Sears and said the site must be approved on existing situation. HC -51,259.81, Member Weinstein moved to continue site portion of HC -51,259.81 continued along with idea of site plan having more detail of landscaping. Seconded by Member Sallan. Motion carried, 5-0 Member Sallan moved to continue the application for architecture allowing applicant to come up with an alternative solution for the canopy. Seconded by Member Dressler. Motion carried, 4-1 Chairman McLaren - No HC -51,318.2 5. Application HC -51,318.2 of Fisherman's Village (Alfredo Fisherman's Scardina) requesting exception to Section 7.021 of the Village Sign Ordinance to allow an advertising area in excess of the allotted square footage for an existing restaurant located on the south side of Stevens Creek Boulevard approximately 200 feet easterly of Blaney Avenue. Staff report: The Associate Planner displayed site plan approved for the restaurant. Applicant's request is for exception to Sign Ordinance. The City Attorney has said the boat (logo) will be part of the sign area. The building is allowed 136.3 sq. ft. and the boat would give them approximately 370 sq. ft. of signing. MINUTES OF THE FEBRUARY 20, 1974 H -CONTROL MEETING One issue is the exception, another is the question of the sign itself; namely, the boat, and the third, is the fact that the boat would be replacing some landscaping. Slides were shown of existing boat on the site for which a violation has been issued. Mr. Cowan said the boat would be mounted on standard mounting blocks and painted to match building. Chairman McLaren spoke of a similar identification in Palm Springs, noting it was very effective. 1 Member Koenitzer ascertained there would be no lights on the boat. The Associate Planner pointed out this could set a precedent. Mr. Alfredo Scardina, 19930 Stevens Creek, Cupertino, said there had been nothing but problems involved with this location. He said they had spent $43,000.00 for parking area and $11,000.00 for trees which cars were running over. They were trying to please the people of Cupertino. Member Weinstein said he loved boats and the idea of having a boat here on land is appalling. This particular boat was ready for burning. He could go along with a boat designed for this purpose of 6 of 7 ft. He pointed cut they are in violation of the Ordinance. Mr. Scardina said he was not in violation of anything. Mr. Chris Foundas, Manager, questioned the use of the Castillian hat. Questioned Member Weinstein's right to say this boat was not acceptable. Member Dressler asked if the area of the boat had to be included in the sign and Mr. Cowan said yes. Member Dressler said he was opposed to boat. Mr. Foundas said they were being forced to move to another location. Member Sallan said she didn't care for boat, but could see taking down sign and incorporating boat structure. Mr. Vic Partipella said the committee was missing the concept of boat. He then explained what the boat meant to the restaurant. HC -10l Page 11 HC-lOl Page 12 Public Hear- ings closed HC -51,318.2 Fisherman's Village denied MINUTES OF THE FEBRUARY 20, 1974 H -CONTROL MEETING Member Weinstein suggested the applicants could take the pole sign down and get a sign redesigned with logo of boat on a low profile sign within Sign Ordinance square footage and he would vote for it. Mr. Partipella said the boat was not for advertising. They had filled the restai.i.rant before they had boat. Taking the boat away would be like taking the kitchens away. People like the idea of the boat. It doesn't do harm to anyone. He asked for a logical objection. Chairman McLaren pointed out this a recommending body only and they could appeal any decision of this committee to the City Council. Member Koenitzer said he had looked over Sign Ordinance and could not find any grounds for a variance. He said the boat was an intriguing idea for advertising, but he could not vote for boat unless the other sign came down and boat was used as main standard. Mr. Scarpina then referred to other problems he had had with the City. Chairman McLaren told him again the only application before this committee was for the Sign Ordinance variance and they could not speak to his other complaints. Mr. Scarpina said they would have to close the restaurant because of problems the City has given him. The Planning Director and members of the Planning Commission had joined the meeting and Mr. Sisk asked the applicants to come into the office the next day and discuss this with him. The applicants became abusive, indicating they intended to take the matter before the courts. Member Koenitzer moved to close Public Hearings, seconded by Member Weinstein. Motion carried, 5-0 Member Weinstein moved to disallow application HC -51,318.2 for sign exception on basis that it does not meet Ordinance and the committee could find no good reason to allow a 26 ft. boat. At the same time recognizing desirability of logo and identification of Fisherman's Village, he would recommend that some type of sign be redesigned to incorporate a boat of smaller size, something that identifies but within the Sign Ordinance. Seconded by Member Sallan. MINUTES OF THE FEBRUARY 20, 1974 H -CONTROL t -fl ETING AYES: Members Dressler, Koenitzer, Sallan and Weinstein NOES: Chairman McLaren Motion carried, 4-1 Chairman McLaren said she had voted no because after viewing another restaurant in another location with boat in front of building, she felt it might be something we had never had before, with certain changes in boat. The applicant was notified this would be heard by the City Council on March 4, 1974 and advised of their right of appeal. The applicants said they would not be coming in to any City group; they would be going to the highest court. (1) Karpet King The applicant was still not present. After a brief discussion, Member Sallan moved for continuance of Application HC -51,320.2 of Karpet King. Seconded by Member Weinstein. Motion carried, 5-0 NEW BUSINESS The Planning Director, Commissioners Gatto, Nellis and Chairman O'Keefe discussed a joint meeting date with regard to Planned Development Ordinance and respective roles. It was agreed to meet on March 6, 1974 at 7:00 p.m. ADJOURNMENT The motion was made to adjourn at 11:35 p.m. ATTEST: Ryder City Clerk Motion carried, 5-0 APPROVED: Is/ C. Nancy Sallan Vice Chairman HC -101 Page 13 HC -51,320.2 continued PC-ASAC Meetin,l March 6, 1974 Adjournment