PC 06-27-77
CITY OF ctrPERIDlO, STATE OF CALIFORNIA
10300 Torre Avenue, Cupertino, CA 95014
Telephone: (408) 252-4505
MINUTES OF THE REGULAR MEETING OF THE PLANNING
HELD ON JUNE 27, 1977 IN THE COUNCIL CHAMBER,
CUPERTDlO, CALIFORNIA
COMMISSION
CITY HALL
SALUTE TO THE FLAG
The meeting was called to order by Chairman Koenitzer at 7:35 PM
with the Salute to the Flag.
ROLL CALL
Comm. present:
Comm. absent:
Adams, Blaine, Gatto, Markkula, Chairman Koenitzer
None
Staff present:
Director of Planning and Development Sisk
Director of Public Works Viskovich
Assistant Planning Director Cowan
Assistant City Attorney Kilian
Assistant City Engineer \<hitten
Traffic Consultant Don Goodrich
APPROVAL OF MDlUTES
Moved by Comm. Adams, seconded by Comm. Blaine, to continue the
approval of the Minutes of June 13, 1977 until the next regular
meeting.
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// Motion carried, 5-0
I POSTPONEMENTS
Upon recommendation of the staff, it was moved by Comm. Gatto,
seconded by Comm. Blain to postpone the Public Hearing to consider
adoption of a Seismic/Safety Element, which was item 2 on this
agenda.
Motion carried, 5-0
\-IRITTEN COMMUNI CATIONS: None.
ORAL COMMUNICATIONS: None.
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June 13th
~inutes
postponed
Seismic/Safety
Element
Postponed
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MINUTES OF THE JUNE 27, 1977 PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING
PUBLIC HEARllIGS:
1. CITY OF CUPERTINO: Public Hearing to consider a specific general plan
for the area bounded by Freeway Route 85 on the east and Byrne Avenue
on the west and consideration of a street plan line for Stevens Creek
Blvd. between Freeway Route 85 and P~dgeway Drive (entrance into
De Anza Oaks residential development). First Hearing continued.
The Assistant Planning Director introduced Countylia~on Lance Braddon
and Traffic Consultant Don Goodrich, who were present at this meeting to
contribute to the discussions, as was Dr. Mike Hogan of Earthmetrics.
The Assistant Planning Director explained the scope of this public hearing.
He said the staff would be describing the action plan. They are recom-
mending Stevens Creek Blvd. be four lanes from the railroad tracks to
Foothill Blvd. and then become two lanes to the western city limits.
Further, the staff recommended the roadway by the golf course and
west of Byrne Avenue be closed off. There would be no direct access
from Byrne Avenue to Stevens Creek Blvd. There must be a traffic diverter
constructed. The traffic would then be split between traffic going west
or east onto Granada from Byrne Avenue. From Phar Lap Drive to Janice
Avenue, the staff recommended widening of Stevens Creek Blvd. to the south.
Cupertino Road would be limited to one-way-in only from Stevens Creek Blvd.
It was recommended that Carmen Road be closed and Scenic Blvd. have
right-turn-only onto Stevens Creek Blvd. Silver Oak Way would not go
through to Stevens Creek Blvd. Near the intersection of Salem, it was
recommended a new street be put in which would give access to Foothill
Blvd.
The Assistant Planning Director said the second major element of the study
is land use within Old Menta Vista. From a residential point of view,
the only change recommended by the staff is in the Hahn property which
is presently designated 4-10 units per acre. This should be changed to
single family homes similar to the Ponderosa Hom~s development.
The current general plan changes recommended by the staff are neighborhood
commercial and store front industrial. Heavy industrial would not be
permitted. Non-automobile-related commercial activities will be encouraged.
Industrial along Imperial Ave. will be permitted to continue. Use permits
will be required.
Commute traffic would be decreased by 80%, due to the recommended traffic
diverter system.
The Assistant Planning Director then reviewed the two-page recommended
approach to making a decision regarding the Stevens Creek Plan Line
Study. The staff recommended the building block approach.
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Comm. Gatto asked what is involved in analyzing what happens if
Freeway 85 does not go through. The Director of Public Works said
there would have to be an entirely new cOlItputer model, with new
assignments to the other streets.
Comm. Adams said whether or not we consider Freeway 85 going in,
perhaps we should consider more than four lanes in the future for
Stevens Creek Blvd.
At this point, Chairman Koenitzer asked for comments from the
audience.
Mr. Wesley Williams, 10067 Byrne Avenue, aSKed in regard to the
third assumption, what basis was used for this opinion. He asked
if economics would dictate we switch more toward public trans-
portation. The Director of Public Works said it is too convenient
to use the automobile. This is based on an increase in automobile
""'penses.
Mr. Mike Bullock, 21831 Hermosa Avenue, Old Menta Vista, presented
three copies of his comments on the traffic assumPtions. He said
he has been interested in the subject of transportation for about
three years. He is Past President of the Santa Clara Valley
Bicycle Association. He felt this study should include: present
Countywide land use, present land use, future land use, percentage
of people who carpool, percentage of people who vanpool, percentag
of people who walk; attitudes of the people; and the fact that
50% of the total work force at Vallco Industrial Park live within
five miles of work. He contends that the only thing that generate
trips is land use. He said better roads redirect traffic. Better
roads produce faster and longer trips. Image, air pollution and
future costs of fuels and cars must be considered. A freeway
built to reduce congestion can in effect actually do the opposite.
He said the Gal Trans cOlItputer model always encourages freeways.
The Director of Public Works took issue with several of the
statements of the previous speaker. He said there is no way we
are going to achieve 30% fixed guideways.
Mr. Dave McLeroy, 21920 Hermosa, asked what happens if Freeway 85
does not go through. He asked if Stevens Creek Blvd. must then
go to 6 - 10 lanes. He said sixty-year-old Monta Vista does not
want to becaœe a commuter throughfare. His recommendation was to
eliminate the new land use in the foothills so there won't be any
change needed in Stevens Creek Blvd. As to public transit, he
believes the trend is to increase mass transit and reduce the use
of the automobile. He wanted to know more about the qualifica-
tions of the people who were making these studies.
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Mr. Don Goodrich agreed that traffic speed and land use are very
important factors. These are in the computer model which he developed
some twenty years ago. He said he was on the team that developed the
Toronto Rail System. He has been very'much interested in fostering
transit ever since that time. One of our problems now is that the
public does not seem to be willing to pay for public transit and prefer
their individual automobiles. To simply run out of gasoline would be
the most effective way of stopning them. Fuel costs twice as much
now but this seems to have little effect on its use. He said he is
not sure we want to justify six lanes on Stevens Creek Blvd. in any
event.
Mr~ Bullock said faster roads take trips away from slower streets.
Mrs. Patti Brisco stated she came to Monta Vista twenty years ago when
Stevens Creek Blvd. was a quiet, country road. She now has 400 trucks
per day going on the freeway cloverleaf next to her bedroom windows.
She said mass transit requires high density. She would like to
protect the Monta Vista environment, which is unique. Narrow roads
cut down the traffic and increase the safety.
Mrs. Barbara Trubell, 10354 Imperial Avenue, said it is highly unlikely
that things will revert to the way they were ten or twenty years ago.
Presently, traffic is backed up through the entire downtown during
peak hours. She would hope that people would do some serious thinking
about what it will be like next year and five years from now. She asked
if it is really logical that we would like to keep things the way they
are now. She questioned whether people would toss away their car keys
and hop on a bicycle.
Mr. Rick Repett i, 21800 Almaden Avenue, Monta Vista, said he has lived
there 23 of his 24 years~ It was nice while he was a kid. 'He is not
in favor of closing off Orange Avenue. If it is widened, 50% of the
houses will have to be mØved. The Assistant Planning Director said the
primary reason for cul-te-sacing Orange Avenue is to protect the
neighborhood from comm~te traffic. If Stevens Creek Blvd. remains
two lanes through Mon)t Vista, this will put the traffic on other streets.
Mr. Bill Turano, 2165~! Stevens Creek Blvd., said he sees no need for
parking lots and wider streets. Most of the people living in Monta Vista
rent their homes because they can't afford to purchase one. He is
against any changes in that area.
The Assistant Planning Director agreed that widening Stevens Creek Blvd.
will somewhat increase traffic on it but one design objective is to
obtain a B/C level of service, which means free-flow traffic at peak hour.
He said the staff is recommending a plan line that will be congested even
at four lanes. With two lanes it -Nill take ten minutes to get from
Bubb Road to Foothill Blvd; or four minutes with four lanes.
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MINUTES OF THE JUNE 27, 1977 PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING
Comm. Gatto was answered that approximacely 50% of the traffic is
commute traffic. If Foothill Blvd. was a restricted road, he
wondered what would happen to chat commute traffic. The Assistant
Planning Director referred to the Goodrich document. It was
pointed out that Stevens Creek Blvd. is a commute corridor.
Comm. Gatto said we have the option of allowing this corridor to
end at Freeway 85 or at Foothill Blvd. He said this Planning
Commission should look at the nature of chis traffic that this
wider street would carry.
Chairman Koenitzer said it is apparent that at least 50% of the
traffic on Stevens Creek Blvd. will be commute traffic.
Unfortunately. we have no control over this. It is going to be
controlled by the alternate routes available. In addition to
contending with this traffic, we must also consider whether or not
we want to do anything about the other problems associated with
it.
Comm. Blaine said no matter what
traffic congestion to cope with.
as to the level of congestion we
decision is made, we will have
The decision has to be made
are willing to live with.
Traffic Consultant Goodrich said the congestion level would be
less with four lanes than with two. This would provide less
inconvenience to the people living in the area. It has to be
looked at as a system. It is like water reaching its own level.
If Stevens Creek Blvd. is not widened, McClellan Road will get
more traffic.
Comm. Blaine is concerned that people are going to be sitting on
those freeways, as they are in Los Angeles.
The Director of Public Works said the entire area has to be based
on certain criteria. Mr. Goodrich said the distribution óf that
ten minutes can be split between Foothill Blvd. and Stevens Creek
Blvd., as introduced by Comm. Gatto.
Mr. Goodrich answered
congestion is greater
with commute traffic.
Comm. Blaine that in general, the evening
because shopping traffic is included along
This is not the case in the morning.
Chairman Koenitzer called a recess at 9:35 PM. The meeting
reconvened at 9:50 PM.
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,Chairman Koenitzer announced that there are no plans for this widening
'of Stevens Creek Blvd. to take place immediately. We must, however,
set plan lines in order to plan for the future. The plan line would
be adhered to as development takes place.
Chairman Koenitzer said discussion of this road width and alignment
would go to 10:30 or 10:45 PM. At that time, this public hearing would
be continued to July 25th, and the balance of the agenda would be
taken up.
Camm. Adams said that, based upon the assumptions presented by the
staff, he could not add to Ul under the list of individual decisions.
Comm. Gatto said one important function of this 'Body is to delve
into these alternatives. This would make the political decisions
easier for the City Council to make. He believes the building block
,approach is wrong at the Planning Commission level. The Assistant
Planning Director said the staff needs to know whether or not they
are on the right track.
'Road width and alignment were discussed. One alternative would be two
lanes from Freeway 85 to foothill Blvd., which would be status quo.
Another option is 4 lanes with minimal change in the commercial area,
moving the curb 5' on the existing property line, and the existing grade
being maintained at Phar Lap Drive to the crest of the hill. The staff
says the 13% grade is unsafe; 7% is not necessary; we can manage with
10%. This will involve the taking of three homes on Carmen Road, and
,Carmen Road will be cul-de-sac. Scenic Drive would be right-turn-out
only. Cupertino Road would be open to right-turn-in only. Another
option is 4 lanes with 3-lane mid-reach option. This is not good because
the 3-lane stretch is not long enough to actually do any good. Still
another consideration would be keeping Stevens Creek Rlvd. at two lanes
and providing a bypass road at Scenic and constructing a new bridge.
This would take some of the pressure off Stevens Creek Blvd. This
would destroy parking for the golf course and restaurant'. It would also
introduce commute traffic into residential neighborhoods. Widening
on the north side of Stevens Creek Blvd. would take five homes.
Mr. Dave McLeroy wanted to address Figure 13 in the report. He also
submitted a survey that was conducted by the merchants in Monta Vista,
which indicated 396 against and 13 in favor of the widening òf Stevens
Creek Blvd. He said that basically, we would be widening a road to
augment three hours' traffic per day. If we create a diverter we will
have an increase in air pollution. This '411 increase the incidence
of cancer. The noise factor must also be taken into consideration.
Flood risk would be worse with the wider street. Neighborhood identity
would be affected; those people living north of Stevens Creek Blvd.
would be severed from those living to the south of it.
MINUTES OF THE JUNE 27, 1977 PI..ANNING COMMISSION MEETING
Mr. H. E. Dunbar, 10578 East Estates Drive, Cupertino, said he has
heard no discussion about the flood plain in regard to raising
part of the roadway next to the golf course. He asked about the
confidence placed in the traffic models. He would like to know
the inputs. He would like to know what the deviations are. He
would like answers to these questions at the next public hearing.
Moved by Comm. Blaine, seconded by Comm. Adams to continue the
public hearing on Stevens Creek Blvd. plan line to July 25, 1977.
Motion car.ied, 5-0
The Assistant Planning Director stated that on July 7th the staff
would like to attend the wo.kshop at the County level. It has
been suggested some of the Planning Commissioners also attend, but,
it is during the day so it may present problems. Comm. Blaine
said she would be available.
The Assistant City Attorney stated that in regard to the Brown
Act, as long as this is a public, not private meeting, it is all
right for Planning Commissioners to attend.
2.
CITY OF CUPERTINO: Public Hearing to consider the adoption of
a Seismic/Safety Element to be incorpo.ated in the City's
General Plan.
CONTINUED TO JULY 25, 1977.
3. CITY OF CUPERTINO: Public Hearing to cons ide. an amendment
to Land Use Element of the Gene.al Plan regarding the install-,
ation of sanitary sewer improvements and/or other improvements'
in the hillside areas regulated by a slope-density formula, '
except in the Regnart Canyon area. First Hearing continued.
Resolution No. 1705 was introduced by the Director of Planning
and Development.
Mr. Richard Childress, 22025 Regnart Road, said the enti.e issue
is septic tanks and their acceptability. He has learned of many
innovations and would like to be able to consider them as alter-
natives to dumping sewage into the Bay. He does not understand
why it is necessary to change the General Plan when they can be
reviewed individually by the Health Department.
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SCB plan line
continued to
July 25th.
Seismic/Safety
Element cont' d
to July 25th.
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MINUTES OF THE JUNE 27, 1977 PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING
Comm. Blaine said she understands the Health Department is not going
Ito approve anything without very specific details. If something very
I efficient ~omes up it can be ~eviewed at that time.
¡Chairman Koenitzer said the reason he supports septic tanks in the
Regnart Canyon is be~ause a large number of them already exist there.
I Since there were no further coœments from the audience, it was moved by
!Comm. Gatto, se~onded by Comm. Blaine to close the public hearing.
Res. 1705
adop ted
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IMoved by COmm. Blaine, seconded by Comm. Markkula to adopt Resolution
¡No. 1705, amending Exhibit C-2 of the Hillside General Plan.
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¡NOES:
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Motion carried, 5-0
Comm. Adams, Blaine, Markkula, Chairman Koenitzer
Comm. Gatto
Motion carried, 4-1
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14. CITY OF CUPERTINO: Publi~ Hearing to consider an ordinance
¡ regulating the installation of septic tanks and drain fields
I for individual sewage disposal systems. First Hearing continued.
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[The Director of Planning and Development said this ordinance is the
I result of past Planning Commission discussions. It also ~ontains the
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¡latest thinking of the Heàlth Department. He apologized for not having
fa member of the Health Department present to dis~uss this ordinance,
land offered to answer any questions.
Icomm. Markkula asked if 200 feet could be changed to 350 feet in Section
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115.20.030. The AsSistant Citr Attorney said this is possiBle, although 200
Ifeet is more or less standard in the Countv.
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Comm. Gatto said we should make the point that this is within the
Urban Service Area.
Moved by Comm. Gatto, seconded by Comm. Markkula to delete "B" of
Se~tion 15.20.030.
~~tion carried, 5-0
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I Chairman Koenitzer was con~erned about how new owners would be alerted
I to F. Inspections, noted on page 3. There was discussion of several
¡of the other sections of the ordinan~e.
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MlNU!ES OF THE JU~~ Z7 1977 P~¡NI~G COMMISSION ~EII~G
}~. Childress took issue with several of the statements in the
ordinance.
Moved by Comm. Gatto, seconded by Comm. Blaine to continue to the
July 11, 1977 meeting the ordinance regulating septic tanks and
drain fields for individual sewage disposal systems.
Motion carried, 5-0
UNFINISHED BUSDŒSS: None.
NE''/ BUSINESS
Chairman Koenitzer said that with the construction of Varian Park,
he recommended the Parks and Recreation Commission and the Public
Safety Commission consider a sidewalk for some 100 feet near
Old Cupertino Road.
REPORT OF PLA.~ING COMMISSION.
Comm. Blaine asked when the moratorium on condominium conversion
was due to end. She was told it would end in ~~rch or April.
REPORT OF PWTNING DIRECTOR
The Director of Plannin; and Development and the Assistant City
Attorney introduced discussion on a new application for a "health
club", and how it shall be defined. Right now, we don't have an
ordinance that specifically addresses this type activity. This
will be discussed at length at a future meeting.
ADJ OUR."IMENT
Chairman Koenitzer adjourned this meeting at 11:48 PM.
APPROVED:
ATTEST:
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Wm. E. Ry r, City Clerk
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Septic tank
ordinance
continued to
July 11th.