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PC 01-31-62 10321 So. Saratoga-Sunnyvale Road C I T Y 0 F C U PER TIN 0 Cupertino, ~lifornia AL 2-4505 MINUTES JANUARY OF THE ADJOURNED MEETING OF THE CUPERTINO PLANNING 31, 1962 8: 00 P. M . 10321 So. Saratoga-Sunnyvale Road COMMISSION - Time: Place: ROLL CALL: Commissioners Present: Adamo, Fitzgerald, Frolich, Leonard, Rampy, Small, Snyder None City Manager, City Clerk Commissioners Absent: Staff Present- The Chairman called the meeting to order and introduced Mr. Fenley from the school board. Mr. Fenley summed up the growth of the school district. There were five schools 6i years ago, 4500 students with 2500 on half-day sessions. The problem was twofold: 1) to have a full day for all students, and 2) to prepare for projectlon. Growth was from 600 to 800 per year. At present, growth is 2,000 per year, with 2,500 during the past year. When Mr. Fenley came into the district, Gi yrs ago, school sltes could not be purchased until there was a project. 55 sq. ft is allowed per K-6 student, 65 sq. ft. per 7th and 8th grade student. At present, the dlstrict is permitted to project enrollment three years in advance. In the past, the distrlct had to try to get into an area before the subdividers to build upon ellgibility. It took two years from the time of eligibility until school operated. The five schools averaged the students, keeping the enrollment in each close, but often it happened that children within the same family, in the same type of school, were going to schools in dlfferent locations. Mr. Fenley's first plan was to move out wlth small units, to get sites tied down and to get as close to student's homes as possible. In answer to a question asked by Commissioner Leonard at the last meeting on why the district dldn't let the cities do the planning for schools as well, Mr. Penley replied that at the time their planning program started, there was not one Planning Corrnllssion that had coordinating powers. The district's planning department went from attendance zones, or service zones, to plannlng zones. Mr. Fenley pointed out that decisions from bodies such as the Planning Commission greatly affected their efforts. POl' instance, plans made for 10,000 sq. ft. lots, become obsolete when the Cities drop to 8,000, then 7,500 and then 6,000 sq. ft. Mr. Fenley referred to the Duc & Elliott site, and said they had planned a K-6 school there, but had dropped it. Regarding the Mariani parcel, Mr. Fenley stated that he would be only too happy to pullout of there provlded another school would not be needed due to the development of that land. Mr. Fenley feels unlfication belongs to a community, that a professional person might weild some influence which would not be along the lines of the district. He said that he has felt from the beginning that unification is not as much of a problem as boundaries are. Chairman asked if the school district hadn't established the boundaries. Mr. Fenley replied that land grants had established boundaries. He also said that if two dintrlcts could agree, there was no reason school districts and boundaries couldn't be coordinated. Mr. Mariani, from the audience offered a suggestion. He is a member of Past Grand Jurors Association, and stated that he wo~ld be happy to present the boundary-school district problem to the association. Commissioner Leonard or seniority problems with arranged, and trades made. asked if there would teachers, provided a Mr. Fenley felt the be any major employment meeting could be chief concern would be -1- the service provided, and ~ould see no major employment problems. Chairman Snyder asked Mr. Fenley if he felt any major good could come from a meeting of this type between two districts. Mr. Penley: I do. Someone to talce the leadership in this boundary business would take priority over uniflcation. There have been more problems about boundary lines than anything else. Mr. Mariani outlined the procedure. A presentation is made to the full body, and recommendations for correcting problems. It is preferred to have someone from both sides present also to present pros and cons at the same time. Mr. Mariani will check .time and place of the next meeting. Chairman Snyder appointed Commissloner Leonard in charge of arranging a meeting between Jefferson and Cupertino distrlcts and Mr. Mariani. Commissioner Fitzgerald: I thinlc the boundary thing will take a good long while to solve, and we do have this immediate problem of Mariani property. It was rezoned R-3 in November and the district was notified. The High School that had planned use of the site backed off. Then two years later, the elementary district comes in and takes the site. One plan for the property was a joint venture for a retirement home, WhiCh would yield no children. Mr. Fenley said that the Mariani property was the only slte available to fit the expected needs. However, if this area will pro- duce no children, he felt the school district could pullout. Commissioner Rampy: It has been my feellng that this is more of a commercial or industrial area and would not be the best place in that quadrant to place another school. Cownissioner Frolich: This is baslcally true. This is on the edge of the attendance zone, which was pointed out not to be too good. Commissioner Adamo agreed that the area is basically commercial. Commissioner Small felt the R-l should be removed and the area go commercial. He also felt the school slte should go. Commissioner Fitzgerald couldn't see where a school on the Mariani property would be within walking distance of any children. Mr. Fenley stated that the district wasn't pleased with the location either, but that was all that was left in the area. He planned to present his recommendation for dropping the site to the State February 8, 1963. Mr. Bill Burt, Ross Enterprises, asked about He holds property in Planning Zone 6, and is about acre area next to a K6 site. He aslced Mr. Fenley: to play checl<ers, where do we stand?" changing sites. to develop a 15 "If you are going Mr. Fenley replied that the only checlcers the district plays is if it is more beneficial to all involved, especially the property owners. Commissioner Frolich asked Mr. Fenley if he could provide: 1. Total assessed evaluation per student 2. Number of K6 and Jr. high schools in each of 6 city and county jurisdictlons Mr. ·Fe111ey agreed to prov:Jde the information requested, also the number of chl1dre n being educated in Cupertino and parents working in other cities. Commissioner Frolich asked about the possibility of dislodging the State on acreage requirements. Mr. Fenley replied that the most pressure can be brought to bear by legislators in the district. If anything can be done it is by the Allocation Board, the Department of Finance. He felt that the VOlce of -2- the Planning Commission would be more ~n~luentlal than his own. He agreed that the development of the area makes it important that land be used to the be&t ~d~ntage. Commissioner Frolich: It seems to me ~Ie have a lower density on school sites than on residential sites. Mr. Fenley felt that the Department of Finance, as concerned with the proposal, would go along with it, that the bottle neck would be with the Department of Education. He said he would get the names of members of the Allocation Board for the Commission to contact, and would also discuss it at his meeting on February 8 in Sacramento. Commissioner Adamo brought up the questionniire on recreation that was sent out some time ago. Results showed that the public felt too much land was being used for schools and not for public use such as recreation. Maybe a bond issue would be justified if the school sites were put to recreation use. The Commissloner asked about the Faria school site, which has been idle for two years. Mr. Fenley answered that building the school would be justified upon loading of Garden Gate and JOllyman Schools. Construction is not planned for the immediate future. It is felt the area would support another school, and in the case the area was further developed, another school would be necessa~y. Chairman asked what school site the district had just dropped? Mr. Fenley replied that they had just dropped part of the Davis ranch. Commissioner Small expressed surprise that a City the siz~ of CUDertino has five high schoal_~ites, but· the' city of Berlce¡ey has one high school and is about to build another. The West Valley has 235 acres in schools. The Commission expressed regrets that the City and the school district hadn't tried to get together six years ago. Commissioner Leonard said that it was tried, but the district wasn't interested. Mr. Fenley said that he wasn't contacted at that time. Chairman Snyder asked Mr. Fenley if he or a member of his staff would care to be present at the r~.ster Plan hearings. Mr. Fenley said the district would be represented. RECESS: RECONVENE: 9:55 10:00 The City Manager reported on his meeting of the January 31st with the Division of Highways, !4r. Hayler and Mr. Black. The City Manager presented his facts regarding proposed use of land adjacent to the freeway and the necessity of a cloverleaf to handle the traffic. He was told that every facet had been considered, and that the design at present is adequate to take care of, traf'f¿.c f\:'l' n~y years to come. Also, the diamond approach has been found to move traffic more safely. The highway engineers added that the concept of a loop interchange is becoming obsolete. Any redesign would mean a one year delay, and bids are to be let, therefore the design stands. Mr. Mariani: They have gone ahead on the existing zoning and come up with the diamond interchange. The City would be far better off with the latest best design for traffic movemcnt if it meant a tWQ- years' delay. He added that the City is not without political pressure, and if given reason, there can be changes. At this point, Mr. Mariani wanted to point out that at no time had landowners requested intensive zoning on land that the State intended to take as a right of way. The Chairman said that the Commission realized this. This is always a condition made by the Planning Cc~~ission. Commissioner Small added that the former mayor was fighting for this same thing, but got nowhere. Mr. Mariani wanted to clear the air on his statements of January 28, as reported in the newspapers. At no time had he proposed LWO acres for rezoning. At one time he made a study of 300 acres. Secondly, the map is not a pressing situation, but the cloverleaf is. Nor had he cut his proposal at each meeting, as reported. He did not say -3- there was too much commercial land undeveloped and sitting idle, but said "there is too much strip commercial laying idle". It was also reported that the Commission had denied the applica-' tion. This was in error. Mr. Mariani reported that a firm pla.nning to employ 1,100 people is interested in 20 acres for an office building. Average income for the firm is $10,000, which would be an$ll,OOO,OOO payroll, and this wouldn't hurt the City a bit. Mr. ~~riani respectfully requested C-l, professional or M-l with H Control, adding that there would be consider- able control by the City as to what goes in there. When asked if the professio~al office building was definite, Mr. ~~riani told the Commission the firm had sent a representative from the East to see the land, and to meet with him. Also, the firm is interested in the property adjacent to their area, and would like a properly located gas station, not necessarily on the corner, a motel nearby, a restaurant, and a bank. Theywant a signed dòcument so they know what will be going in across the street from them. Commissioner Frolich mentioned that Mr. ~~riani had indicated that the firm had the lower location as their first choice. There was some discussion about tieing it in with the part on the north side of the freeway, the objection to that being the school, which there may be a possibility of changing. Mr. Mariani did not think that section should be tied in, as it would not be compatible with a large department store, but rather a bank or a motel. Commissioner Frolich: Carrying an industrial park on over, this has a stumbling bloclc. The Sunnyvale subdivision is presently stirred up. Probably the only thing that keeps them from coming down on us is the realization that we don't intend to run industrial things right up against their fences. Mr. Mariani pointed out that they are up against PG&E now. Chairman Snyder: an overall program. I on this. You want zoning and a Iso u.se. Can you give us Don't think we should be writing a free ticket Mr. Mariani: ment, and a natural ercial use. We are stands. Something good planning. Commissioner Small asked if PC-H might be a better plan. Planned Community Ordinance was explained in some detail to Mr. who stated that no department store the size of the Emporium or Fifth Avenue would go for an ordinance of that type. Basically, we have a natural for regional develop- for a combination professional with compatible comm- llOt tallcing about discount houses or hamburger that upgrad~ an area with a payroll of this type is The Mariani Saks Chairman Snyder asked if it was thought that a store of that type could be developed on the location. Mr. Mariani replied that if they couldn't, they are wasting a lot of money. Commissioner Leonard explained that part of the intent of the Planned Community Ordinance is to make it possible to put things to- gether to mix goods and services, things which are different but work ve~J well together. Mr. Mariani pointed out that things might change five years from now, and the things allowed by a PC-H might be subject to the Commission as it is then, perhaps with different members. Commissioner Frolich: The worst the Commission could do would be to stick by the zoning requested. Mr. ~~ariani asked the Commission if they thought the PC-H should be used. The Commission felt it would be satisfactory. Mr. Mariani said the property owners would certainly be willing to give it a try if it doesn't present any problems. Commissioner Small: If you had PC. zoning, all of the uses you mentioned are allowed. _I~-