PC 03-01-04
CITY OF CUPERTINO
10300 Torre Avenue
Cupertino, CA 95014
6:45 P.M.
CITY OF CUPERTINO PLANNING COMMISSION
APPROVED MINUTES
MARCH 1,2004
CONFERENCE ROOM C
MONDAY
The Regular Adjourned Planning Commission meeting of March I, 2004 was called to order at
6:50 p.m. in Conference Room C, 10300 Torre Avenue, Cupertino, California, by Chairperson
Taghi Saadati, and the following proceedings were had to wit:
ROLL CALL
Commissioners present:
Chairperson
Vice Chairperson
Commissioner
Commissioner
Commissioner
Taghi Saadati
Gilbert Wong
Angela Chen
Lisa Giefer
Marty Miller
Staff present:
City Planner
Ciddy Wordell
APPROY AL OF MINUTES: None
WRITTEN COMMUNICATIONS: None
POSTPONEMENTSIREMOV AL FROM CALENDAR: None
ORAL COMMUNICATIONS: None
CONSENT CALENDAR: None
PUBLIC HEARING:
1.
Application No.(s):
Applicant:
Location:
MCA-2003-02, EA-2003-19
City of Cupertino
Citywide
Municipal Code Amendment to Chapter 19.28 and related Chapters
affecting single-family residential development in the Rl Zoning District
Tentative City Council date: not scheduled
Continuedfrom Planning Commission meeting of February 23,2004
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Chair Saadati:
Explained that the purpose of the meeting was to discuss the RI survey, which
includes some modifications that were recently incorporated.
Asked for comments
Com. Wong:
Asked for clarification on Question 15 of the survey regarding Design Review, saying
that the instructions to "check all that apply" could camel each other out if someone
checked the "There should be no design review for anything" box and any of the other
boxes
Asked for an explanation of how these instructions came about
Com. Miller:
Said "check all that apply" should be deleted
No further discussion was held on this point and the commissioners agreed to delete "check
all that apply" from the instructions on question 15.
Com. Wong:
Regarding question 19: Since the 1999 ordinance already states that new construction
should be designed to have architectural forms, roof pitches, roof height and wall heights
that are consistent with neighboring homes, he would change the statement say
"Generally, I believe that new construction should be designed to transition to
architectural forms..."
Asked for clarification of staffs thinking when they drafted question 19
Com. Miller:
Explained that the original question said "Everybody should be compatible with their
neighbor."
. Said he objected to the term "compatibility"
Tried to use definition of compatibility in the guidelines, which went along the lines
that people need to be compatible with respect to architectural form, roof pitches, roof
heights and eave heights---which for some reason got changed to wall heights
Original intent was to do away with the word "compatibility" because it means
different things to different people, and to go with the actual words in the guidelines
Wanted to know why "eave" heights got changed to "wall" heights
Com. Giefer:
Stated that the survey ITom the last meeting also showed "wall" heights rather than
"eave" heights, but the word "consistent" was used instead of "compatible"
Com. Miller:
Asked Com. Wong if he is suggesting that in neighborhoods where there is a major
amount of redevelopment occurring, there should be more latitude for transitional
neighborhoods
Com. Wong:
Agreed that this is what he intended
. Asked Com. Miller if he thought question number 19 should be replaced with the
question regarding transitional neighborhoods
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Com. Giefer:
Said she had written Com. Wong's statement as: Generally, I believe that new
construction should be designed to be in transition and have architectural forms, roof
pitches, roof heights and eave heights that are consistent with homes in the neighborhood.
Com. Wong:
Need to strike the word "consistent", or it would delete the word "transition". Talking
about neighborhoods in Garden Gate and Rancho Rinconada and Monta Vista, they are in
transition ITom the older 1950-1960 homes to more modern homes.
Ms. Wordell:
Stated that Com. Wong is only speaking about neighborhoods that are in transition and
focus should be on that.
Felt the proposed wording would be hard to follow
If commissioners want to find out how people feel about neighborhoods in transition,
they should first agree to address transitioning neighborhoods and then decide on the
wording to accomplish that goal
The question on the survey is general and covers everybody
Com. Wong:
Wanted to know if it would be possible to add one more question asking if the
community is open to having neighborhoods that are already in transition to continue
doing things the way they are doing them now
Current ordinance says the new development must be "compatible"---he wants to get
the heartbeat of what the community wants
Com. Miller:
Said he had sense of what Com. Wong intends to convey
Remembered Mr. Hung's application, which had a wall height issue. Mr. Hung got
signatures ITom neighbors supporting his application
Commissioners had the feeling that neighbors were supporting the application because
they would eventually be doing the same thing to their houses
That was neighborhood where people wanted to move in different directions
Said the question should be asked that specifically addresses that issue to find out how
many neighborhoods are similar
Commissioners agreed to add question 21: Generally, I believe that construction in
neighborhoods that are in transition from an older to a newer style should not necessarily be
consistent with the older style.
Com. Woug:
Regarding question 20, the Design Guidelines are meant for 2-story homes over 35%
FAR. The two check boxes for all new single-story homes and all additions goes beyond
the City Council's directives
Those two boxes are inappropriate and should be removed
Design Review Guidelines would need to be revised if commissioners want to address
single-story homes and additions
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Com. Giefer:
Recollected that when the question was drafted, they wanted a "barometer" of what
current opinion is: Should w.e leave the Design Guidelines as they are or should we
expand them?
Chair Saadati:
Some single-story homes may be taller and have features that neighbors may object to
Com. Chen:
One of goals is to solve some of inconsistencies between Design Guidelines and RI
Ordinance
The purpose of the question could have been to see if people want to be more far-
reaching than the present Guidelines, in which case the question is appropriate
Com. Wong:
Said he could see both sides of the issue, but is reluctant to go beyond what the Design
Guidelines were meant to be---which is to address 2-5tory homes
The commissioners agreed to remove the instruction "check all that apply" and to move
(currently required) from under the check box for "All two-story homes or additions" to
under the check box for "Only projects that require Design Review should have to meet
guidelines." They also agreed to remove "All additions" as a check box.
Com. Giefer:
Formatting issue: page 2, the box does not line up well in the "Between 601 sq. ft. and
750 sq. ft." selection
Question 14: There should only be one text box under the heading of Design Review
Process. The box should not be broken up into two parts
The text describing story poles should be above question 16, rather than question 14
On page 4, the heading Design Guidelines should be in bold font
Com. Wong:
Requested that a final copy of the survey be e-mailed to the commissioners before it is
printed for the public
The time line for the survey should be 15 days for the "Cupertino Scene" and on the
website
Once the survey is formatted it will be mailed to 2,000 applicants, and counting 15
days ITom the mailing date, there will be two sets of data-first ITom the applicants in
surrounding neighborhoods at the end of March, and then another set of data at the end of
April ITom the "Cupertino Scene" and the website
Regarding timeline for the public hearings: Commissioners have gotten e-mails and
letters ITom the previous survey that was sent out in January, and the Commission asked
for feedback regarding other city ordinances. Also, Lisa and Marty brought up other
technical changes
Does not want to lose momentum and wants to keep having public hearings on the RI
ordinance, divided into the six categories in the letter that Peter wrote
Chair Saadati:
Depending on the time, at least one of the categories can be discussed at each meeting
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Ms. Wordell:
This item needs to be continued to whichever meeting date the commissioners want to
re-hear it , rather than re-noticing it
Com. Miller:
Depending on how extensive the agenda is with other items, individual categories can
be discussed
Need to review data ITom other cities
Should review recommendations made by Planning Commission last year at this time
Ms. Wordell:
Suggested that item be continued for three weeks to the next regular Planning
Commission meeting (the second meeting in March)
The length of time allowed for discussion would depend on the number of other items
on the agenda
Motion:
Motion by Com. Chen, second by Com. Giefer to approve the revised survey
and to mail the survey to selected residents prior to publication for the
public.
Vote: (5-0)
Motion:
Motion by Com. Wong, second by Com. Miller to continue this item to the
Planning Commission meeting of March 22, 2004.
Yote: (5-0)
ADJOURNMENT:
The meeting was adjourned to the Study Session at 3:00 p.m. on
March 2, 2004.
Respectfully submitted: