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CUP'E&t`INO, C,ALIFOItI�1IA . :
SAI.U'TE TQ THE F'LAG �
The meeting was called to order at 8:02 p.M. by Vice-Ctiair�oan
Buttienuth with the 5aluC� to the �lag.
ROLL C�1.L
Commissianers presez�t: 0'Keef e, Puetz, Vice-Chafiszaan Buthenuth
Gommissioners absent; Hix�hon, Chairman Meyers �
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Staff present: Director of Plan�fng & Develogatent Sisk `
City Attorney Ada�as
Assis�ant P.�anaer Cowan
� Assaciate Engineer Witten
Traffic Engineer-`G�3gg
Recording Secretary Lois znwards
AFPKOVAL OF MINtTTES: M.inutes of Adf oarned Meeting af Au�u�t 2$
�iinutES oS Regu2ax Meeci.ng of Sep�.ember 23
Moved by Commissioner Puetz, seconded by Cou�issioner 0'Keefe to Aug. 18 S SE
postpone appzoval of the Minute� of August 18 and September 23 23 Minntes
since there wer�: onlp three Commissioners present at this meeti�g. agproval pc�=
poned
Mation carried, 3-0
POSTF'OI3�:�fENTS, ETC. : There were none.
W�ITTEN COMMUNICATIONS: There were none except for those concernin
items on the :�genda.
ORAL COMMUNICATIOhS: There were nane.
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1. Agpl.�catf�ns 15-��71 and 1�►�-U��.° a���� �•" ���►1��o r�`�;�"��o�
.91 acre froim 1�2=�:25 (Residential,, Du�i�.�t �+',2S{?'`�t�'.` fC`.'p�+�t'<�tit�
� ta BQ (Quasi-Puh�.ic Buildings),; arld ��e+�' P�rn�tit €or 33-b� rast hooe. '
� Said praperty is lacated at the southt�+ast corner af tha 3ttter�seticm
of Foathill B1vd. and Alcalde ii�oad. First Heuring coati�auad.
� The Director of Plan�ing Developtaent sa3d tbese� app��.caC�onS �+��c� ,
� continued frQm a previaus Planning Co�ai�sion medCi�g to g'3ve' t�i��"
applicant time to suba�it revi�ed drawiags. . "�he.se revised c3ravings,
� nave not as y�t been sub�itted, but th�e ap�Y3.taSU�� w�ts �p�ei�e`c�t'��to"�� �
I discuss the matter, They are interesteit ii�tt Che pos�ibl:+� �eslig�tet�t
of Alca2de, which will affect th�ir prapos,al. tie said the Traffic
�:ngineer is concerned about Che nu�rtber of parkin�g spaces indicat�
in thefr plan. He feels 13 to 20 spaces a�re necessary for this' to
function properly. Iie also gaid the 20' setback should be ataintaitt�.
:;?�ald� realign Mrs. Robert B. xppa3.i�o asked Clte Comp�.issioner�e if the rea:��gian��etit�
:��nr tc City project is gaing ahead in the near future,,or fn Zt} to 30 years.
t.c���,;:i 1 in ?'ice-Chairman Buthenutfi sa.id there `wete P'�blic HeaYir�gs at' `��lie l.a[st
�'�cer.:ner meeting on Chis, but he could nat speak for the Council, who Will
make the �inal decision, The Pl:annidg �?i�ector said this wi11 come '
before the City Councii in Dec�be�: rt s�as his xecamme�dation �o
have Alcalde and Santa �Pau�a inCersecC„+3r�� ��anaCher. Thts wou�.d
requ�re this applicant to redesign`��the p�aa. They w311 l.os�� S feet
along Foothill Blvd. and s�e progerty at the southweat corner;
• alCogether about 3iG of their property.
�rc���.tect Since th:: applicant has indicated their a�chitect was given the
:c t g ive:� wrong inf orcaa t ion by the Planniz�g DepartmAent prior Co his drawiagy r
_-���:'r,tation on up the plans, Commissioner Puetz felt Ch� Planning llepartmerit' � "
re�: ign�nzn;. should heip the applicant as much as possi' Ie.
F.-:tiu�fici�nt Mrs. Ipgc�lito said that a�though there wi.Il be 5 employees, thr�e of
�.:c�c-up space t.he� are within her family and will nat' a�ed parking spaces. The
Plannin� Directar said that, in order to funcCian properl.y, the
back-ug space should be at least 29' ins[ead of the 25' indicated
on the pl.an. Also, c:onditions chunge, and in the futute otl'teX
peo�le might be employees Chere and might need the parki�ig sp�►ces.
Cammissioner Puetz noted there is no public transportation,
�;r�?tistics of The Trafffc �:ngfneer has made t-� study af the 5unnyview MaYi�r an
si::ilar use Cupertinc� Road. Of tt:e 144 peo�le there, 90 are residents and 50
are staff. There are 55 vehicles, averaging 1.9 trips per vehic�.e
per day on a week day.
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� MINt�TES t1F THE OCTABER �7, �9'7�. �"L�1���:� �Q!#�I���E�i��M�$'=�'�G � ��,C�-4S �
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The Planning Directar again recoatc�e�nd+�d 13�-15 parkimg spaces �or F�ctors far
CftiB U8l.' STTLZ S z{3� �@t�7►19tC`tt �.'tiC�.Ett'�"�'tl�j: t�'k� j>1L�r=`yt��lt$�•t'�t�? 1�,��':+�� .=• i�xGki�C�Ct t0
the Al�ald� real"i��at�nt. On thi� b��ie,' t�+1r�V'ic�=�h��t�tat� �ud�ised con�ider
Che a; �licant ta have hEr arehite�t che�k°w�i.th-the� Pl:g��ng;He-�
partment prior to rec�rawin�; the plans. '
Mr. A1 Ferrotti said he has �een warking with the- app2icr�t►t. ,os� this When a�d who
He said the applicant is cancerned, sinca the plans hav+� to be� pays fvr
redrawrt thraugh no fauit of hers,` wtro i� goirig to p�y �fc►ir= ��e� �a;"=� px�P�'rty to
property being taken� �w�y�� fYO�� �Ch�, ��a�d� whet� th�� =i�� Goa t�c+'�� .a�'�' �akert fram t
She is hesitarer to spend money on mare pla�re vrat�l �he r�c�a��r���-s appli.cant
all the correct data. �he Pl�nni�g I}irectot' ssid i.f �h�br��p'P��;cant.
wanCa absolute assurance Chey �fiould wait until the City Go�sncil
m�kes their deeisf.orr. Perhaps Che SanCa Fat�i�jA�:�s1de- intersectia
matter could be divorced froca rhe avergl.l 'lScCle3le� real�8rn�+�nt
matter. Ta �nswer one of the applicant's specific questions, the
Vice-Chairman s3ic: the Cir.y doea not pay for noro�al straet
dedications.
M��UTE ORDER:
Moved by Comm�.ssioner Puetz, �econded by Vice-Cliaf�man 8u�t'�ea�ith San�a Paula,
to recammend to Che Ci.ty Counc�l that th� Sa�ta ��u1slAlca� ? Alcalde mat�
• intersectian matter be divorced fram the civ�:ral.l McCI:�1I�rtM�a�d- hand2ed
realignment ma��er. separarely
Mation carxied, 3-d
Vice-Chairman Buthenuth asked for camments 'frat� the audience.
There were none. .
Moved b;� Commfssfoner Puetz, seconded by Comtaissioner 0'Keefe to 15-Z-71 and
continue agplications 15-�'- 1 and I4-U-71 ta November 22, 1971. �.4-U--71
cantinued t
AyES; Cor.unni.ssivners OrKPe£e, Puetz, Vice-Chairman Buther►uth November 22
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ABSENT: Car::ni�sioner Hirs�on, Chairman Meyers
Mati�n carried, 3-0
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s1�g3�e�-�smi.ly� r�s�si+e�ti.a�'cl�t�tor de�relo�et�t�=�±�� � �� � ����,;�
Deve'_ap�uent}� xone. Said property is lacat�d sopt�►��ly +� 1ti�d :
aci j acent to Stevens Creek Blvd, appraximat�ely 1fiQf�'feit �st of
Foott�ill Slvd. Fi.rst �teaxing comt$nued. u
�i��re graphics The site plan, Cenkutive �ap and traffic f�.pat::pl�s xi��C¢,:P�����<��
nteded the bulletin bos�rd� The Pl.�nning Dizector s�tid �his t�L��r:� a
cantinued ta allow the applic�►nt to subatit rev�.$Qd draw��� o�: t.�E
overall propasal. More graphics �re n�eded. Per�pe�ti�re, d�ai�ti�,s
reflected the typ+� of st�uctures Chat will be aeen frptn P�ra►an��t�
Raad, close to Foothill Bl.vd. The present parkit�g �xt10 is 4.45,
which is 1Q spaces shy of the recomtaended numbex.
�y�iTking Cocnraissirner Puetz noted there is veiCy little parking otheY than
r�reb!er�s in the cirivew�ys in the northweRt corner of this project. ;The ,
Planning Birectar said there is a problem of parking in the soutlxeaat
corner, although it is a possibility.
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Fe•�: �-star ies Vice-Cha:�rman Buthenuth said, ae the last Plannir�g Go�iss�.oa�h�s�ing
,,-, south�rly & on these Applica�ions, it was decid�d: there should `u� .� ,a�i��,tm..o�.
e�iatarly two-story buildings on the sautharly aad easCerl.y �bc�uiad.a�;i,+�:..�Ad ; '
boundar ies this presentatiar► d�d nc�t refl.ect this. a
:,ppiicant's Mr. Barry Bobbitt, 7291 Coronado, San Jose, said he zepresent�.��� �
s c�iCe��nCS Qak rteadows. He went over the Devclapment Plan. He said t�anY af
the two-story units are actually split level and are not abvious, due
to the terrain. He said the parking ratio aow meets the Pl,�nnittg
Commission's Xequire�ae�tts �nd exceeds the Ordin�n�� r�c�uir�.e�n�s.os
At the suggestion of the Plannic�g DepartmenC, redwa�d-dec�:;���� ��
installed as well as the patios. �xisting trees will be ssved.
He agreed rhat the southeastern corner has a parking inconvenieuce.
There is alsa a problem af trees in that corner. They have
custoaiized two hoc�es there i� ord�r to save the trees. Th� ta�ian;3��
amount of grading and the banks cvi12 make this s pleasing develapmen�.
1ie said the rendering showed there would not be a step effect. because
chcy� are using se�;eral types of architecture and roof 1.�.nes. The
loca�:r section has a sound mound with l.andscaping an the tap to add
to the ae:athetics. He said Oak Meadows is a distinctive and unique
comn�unity.
Vice-Chairman Buthenuriz asked for comments Fram the audience at Chis
point.
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the �lready d�veloped area. lie ,ask���h�►�. Lh��:��t��.�' Y� '�� �+� ,.� �►d�t����ig
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�e for rhese hcxues. Mr. BQ�bi�t� sai� ��iey ��oi��ds sel , �c�'� 8'bo�r .- , t�evr#2aped a:
$29 tv 537 ,040. Mr. Wa�.iaae �aid, t�i.a dup�,e34 �:,�s wor�� $��: t.�! �
$&0,4E30 on the��narket today�� .H� want� �.�c�t:pa�,�.�rle d��v�`�.ap�►e�t ; � �
h�re. H� said thf *_ 1n the area �h!��c�e ��is, hasµva�at,iop propetctyt.�h%
cama�unitiy i.s restrict�d to ,one-s�ory �tructure.s ualea�s �e���t� C"E�� ,
approval af thee��..r Archite�tur��. C.ontxol .Com�tiGt�+�e, to mak� si�re
all �he structures w�,l,l be campatible with the �:ou�nunity.
Vice-Chairman Bvthenu�h said he would like tv see on� af t�e 3�X CWO-stoz
conditions plaGed on this pr�ject that 30� of Che txnits will be
two-story and the balance will, be one-story.
Mr. R. D. Koswitzer, 1OQ60 Phar Lap Drive, Cupertino, said, af.ter Cut and fi3.l
checkin�, the plans, that we are go3.ng to 'have som� Guts; a�rd 'f ill's:
in Sectian 8A and D -- 15 to 2Q' vf cut, and IS to 20' of, fi,2l.
H.e wondered how closely tt�e el�.�ations reflect what w��.T actu$1�.�'��e � ."���
be l�uilt . Eie thinres this wil.l -:.�'mpiy be a project of row hou��"� '�a Rpw hcuses
whfch will not fit inta the area. � �
� Mrs. rfary Brusberg, I0191 Lebanon, said she owns the home nea� Ch�:, �30,f�:�t of
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southe�ast corner af the propos�d�development. 5t�e �canc���`�d� with'� �o�id �wal.2
rir. Wal_lace's statements. She said they are alsa conce��►ec� that°
r.here wili be a hig►-� wall effect along -t,h�. property line.
Viee-Chairman Butner�uth, too, was eoncerned that Chere would be
330 feet of solid, Cwo-story buildiags with no interzuptions.
You cion'C find this any place else ,� Cupertina. Mr. Bobbitt :
csl2.ed attenzion ta the individual .rooi lines, Due to the diffe�e e
in elevat ions, he said some of �the ather �:�'operty ac�ners wi�.1 b����` �
overloUkin� these property ow�ers' homes. `."he hvmes`are staggeied
as we�l as having different elevations, which wl11 dissipate the
canyon effect. The Architectural and Site Apgzoval Committee wi7�l
laok at this, tc�o.
Mr. Wallace said a7.1 but one structure in the area are dne-story, Almo�t all c
and thC�t one tYas � one--bedraom rental unit above the garage. story in th+
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Vfce-Cn�irman Buthenuth sa`.d he had asked the applicant at the
last raceting to come in with 8�% single story. Commissioner
0'Keefe did not feel the adjustments mad� since the last meetin�
were sufficient. �ir. Bobbitt said he felt he had complied with the ;
requests of the Planning Cotanission, The plan will be reviewed by
the H-Control. lte has fncreased the parking from 4 .3 to 4.5. Oti
tnat basis, he asked :or a decision from the Planning Gommission
at this meeting. He does not kno�r what else to do without de�atroy
• ing the green area.
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V i ew w i i l b e Commis sioner Puetz sgxasd thit C�►�''�p���.���`�I� 1��,j�.� �`it' ��+�iAi�tts
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hlacked except for th� one abcruC tbe li�Cl.tatis�n �r��'�� '�'�=�t�''�"�t ��° �.tdt� �b�
ane area. Ir► the lon� ru+�, C+�e��ssfo�!`t�r �i���#`e+`th�� �h� bv�il.���
w#.12 cut off the vie^�r o£ the hi12�t; t�iet p�. offe�rs vez'yr'r2iCt1� .ta
the co�nunity as a whole. Ne did� nrt ca��t�. f+�� C�►e plar�, Gom�ss�ianer
Puetx offered the suggestic°n of 8' fences �a� th� two-s�ory` a�#� Rfi''
fences far the one-stary unit$. Vice-Ghai'�:'m�n Buthenuth and G�ms�ssioasr
� f3'Keefe felt t`�at 8` fences wou2�� d+�fe�at t���� pu�po�t� h+e�r�::` Ttie� c+�ftaern
is in regard tu R solid ro� r�f two-stocy t�at��`.. Commie�ian�x t�'l��e+e�e
felt it would help if there c�ere wore apeaa space. YC �tight he2�,`�.f
the roof line ot the two-story uniCS cat�ld be the same as on the `
single sCary units.
Mr s. Jackie ftall, 10629 Baxter Avenue, aske+d if thi"�� �rou3.cl��not �iepend
on the terrain. It was agreed that tC would,
'I h i.s is Mr. �drian kamos, 10140 L�:bano:t Drive, ask�d if *.he develaper w�ts '
��ss�zitial'y the abiding, by Che conditiuns pinced on the re�ot��t��. Th+� PYartnt�dg;y
same plan � L�irectar said th:Es was a matter �af computat�i�t'. "� Th�is �s" `Clate 'sa�s.
plan. When it was first eompuCed it cstnt� out $300 square :�"$�tpFper
dwel.liczg �iixit, and Che second tinte iC cam� but 7900 sc�uax� feeC'. .
Pu��lic Hearings Moved by Gommissione>� ��� Mt�, �seGt�t�d�d by C��missf�ner���'K�efE Cd � �
clus�� clos,e the Public KE:�=� � .��:�. �
Motion carried, 3-0
''1-`C�i-7�. Maved by Commissioner f'ue,z, second�d by Co�missioner guthenuth to
<��.�Pro���.d a�provc apc�lication 21-TI�f-71 with Che 14 sttanc�ard Conditians, and
ca/c-anditi��ns conditions 15, 16 and 17 prr the Ftannirtg I�epartmer,t memo `of
� Octol�er ?2, 1471.
�1YES: Commissioner Puetz, Vice-Chairma� Buthenuth
NOE;S: Commissioner O�Kee£e �
t�Bs��t1': Commissioner Hirshor:, Chairman Meyers
�totion carried, 2-L
�� _�s_71 *t�ved by Gu�r�niss�a:�er Puet2 , secanded Uli Vic�-Chairman �uthenuth to
��,p,�,V��} approve �p�licatian 31-U-71, per tae Plan:�in� Department recomsriend���fons
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;�/c�>:,clitions date;l OcCober 27 , 1°J1, includfn� condit�ans 6 and 7 as previousTy
d iscusseci.
�y��; Commissioner pu�tz, Vice--Chairuu�.n Buther.uth
NOES: t,o:•�:ais,�ioner 4'Keefe '
t'�BS�::v'I: Cammis sion�r tiirshon, Chairman �€ey�rs
Mntion carried, 2�1
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The Oak M�advws� repr��e��ative �ss to�d thi� '�il� +�� �►s�or� thte , .
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Vice-Ci�airrn�:� �uthenuth cailed a r+�ce�e et 14�=�� P:M.`�: '�ye`me�t��i�
reconv�n�cl at 30.34 P'.M. . ' .
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3. Ap�licativn 24-Z-71. af Shapell Industr�.�s af NarCh�rn Ca2ifor-
t�ia for prezonfn� at G.22S �acres fram Cit�`of `Cup+e��C'�na i�3�2.7�
(Multipl.e Re�identta2 27QQ �q. fr., p�x dwelling ti�nit} to: t�t�y3` . �
a�' Cupertina R1C-3.6 f5ing,1�-f�mily Resid�nt�a2 C�.u�ter 3� '
sq. Et . of land area per dwelling uni't. 5€,id :grapetr�y is
lucated we�terly of and adiacent to Foothil2 Sl�,�d . , app�c»'f-
mately 110 feet northerly of the intersection of Faothill
B�vd. and Alcalde Rvad. First H�sring ca�tittued.
Moved by Commis53.oner Fuerz, seconded by Cormaissioner a�li.eefe Cd = Hear 24-Z-7]
c�nsider a�pli.c�tior.s 24-Z-71 and 20-TM-71 �imultaneously since : 20--T1�Tl
they cancern Che same property. • ; tagethet
MoC�on carr�ed,� 3-4�� � � . � � �
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4. ArplicaCian 24-TM-71 af Shapell Indu�ctries of Northetct� :Gal�.f.
for Tentative Map t� divide b.25� acr�s fnta 6Q sing�8��s.�ily
lots an� one lat to b�' held 3.n co�n ownership. `Said pxope�ct
is located westeYl�► of and adjacent ta FooChill Blv�: , sppYt�xi
mately ].3.0 feet northerly of the intersectian' o� Ft>othil2 .
Bl.vd. and Alcalde Road. First Hear�.ng.
The P.lanning Directar said Che basic discussion �t che' laet H�ar°3.r� Basica2ly ti
was in regard to Che rectil.inear approach to the praperty deveiap- s�tae plan -•
ment . Basically the �e�veiopment plan is the same as the firsC, ' �'I.�nteing Di�
althcu�h t-hey have came up ta 2.9 parking Metio. A1.�a, they ha�e
shifted buildings slightly towaro the interi�r area so a� to
provide landscaped are�s and s slight undvlatittg of Che �treet.
Th� c'.esi�n chan�e also reoricn*_:. Che buiiuing lacatc�d Adjacent to
Alcaldr� Roac: , prc�viding for a fronC seCback of C+a+�nCy feet from
Alcalcie Road and a nine-fooC setback ad�acent ta the f.nterior
praperty 2ine.
Mr. Fred Ludeman, with Sh1ge11 Indilstric:s, said they feel they Applicant s:
have r�y�R L�r>�d Li�e plan, incorporating ttie thinps brought aut at the plan naw in�
las� Plannin; Cor�m:.ssion �aeeting. Th�y have ap�ned up the space pa���tes su��
beLw�en the ga�-age and build�ng. Th�y hau� turnexl the two build- tions fro:n
ings down in the cornex and sCaggered Che buildings. Parking h�ts Nearis�g
• been istcreaserl Ca 2.9.
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Dens i ty too The Planning �?�.r�ctor said tb��f �e�bb�►f�;������� ` y �; �°#
t�igh wftM this densf.ty ther� is� �.�.��lit ��t�lt C��` �t�t.oY�►��.t�� �� , ,� .
Buther,uth said he is lear� af rat� ��se� +�d g�ivate �Ct�e+���. ` �'�'
an rhe present zanin� o�. �he.p�rape�.t�,, �,he Pt�tit�g ¢Ai��c�to�� �, ��t
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At p���BRCi the xaning pernsits 12 units p�r acre, and this apP��.captr�
pro�o�al is €or 1Q units per acre.
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t:,�r:aral. Plan � Cotnmi:�sianer Puetz askec� the Plannfng I�epa�,tmeAC ��x,_o�;�te.��������
�Tails for low densicy a:La�g Foothill Slvsi. �he Flauning Dir�:cCcz s�id th+�,�.��i�tual
dt.nsicy tiere GQneral Plan talks ak�ouL low dexta�.ty hete, but pr.esent �4ning;.cal�,s
for high deus�ity�. This pxoperty �as prezoaed by the �ity �,��n Febs�saYy
of 196$. ' .
;�t�pl icar r'� Mr. Lu�ieman d id nat f ee1. lU dwe2l,i�g :uniCs per•acr.�s is yez�yb�,h�gh.
r�butt<;.'_ He said he does not consider this row housing. ThQ bui�.dings aZe
staggerc:d by 8 feet. Most of_ the buildings contain k dwelling uait�•
There will be breaks in tae roaf .li,�es of these �!u�.X��Bs•
,,.;a-s,i���.� Commiss�.oner Puetz £eels there is a redundapcy. a�out .the plaQ,,,.���
,, .•,;,��y lacks aestk��tics . He asked wtYy the prezanirig was implemented in the
f ir�t pla�e. Tie s�ras told it .was becaus� thex� were duplexes and
triplexrs in the area, mostiy developed within the County. Vie�- �
Chatrrnan I3uthenuth added that ano�her r�ason was b�cause it is an
od�-sha�ed piec�e o� prop+��ctx �nd ad�acent p�c���ties�,�w�r�;devealt�ed.
`fl�e :�pplicar�t rhen had arked for hal� to be_uis�d �£a����'of�s�iv�a1
afftc�s and half far ha��s. The P1ar.nin,g C�aunissic�n did, no�. think
a ti�at was r�.�ht �or tl�e� propr��ty. Vice-Chairr�aa, Bcsth��av���: �=h3.nks
a cluster deveiopmen� waul�. be .gaod £or thi�#, �r4g��tyi b�tt �A� this
:�i�h a ciensity. Commission.r 0'Keefe said �e want= a ba,l�nc.ec� �rea
and t;ie proposed density w�uld upset this balance. �2t►ais cauld �suse
so�ial prablems.
i ;�,,;;s Avenue Mrs. I.ucien Herter�:, San J�uan kaad, said she would like to take
� �:�.,' t ��and1� +�xceptiorr ta the report that the traffi.c frotA. Cha.s pxojecC cou� '�t�
� �:,�. ���:tra tiandled on Vos� Avenue. She sa�.d it is Coo close to the eint�a�e
r Z�;i:"� i, �:�E�; :� to tl�e school, wl�i�h would cr�ate a bottleneck as well as a safety
haz::ird tor Che s�:l�o�al children.
.;t;: ����t,.,,,cl ;ir. R. D. Kae{ai.tz�r, 1�060 i't�ar Gap Drive, �aid rhat fzom the ctutsicle,
,.�-�- ;;;- .t, t;t,� ,? this :s �oin�; to luok lfk� tlouses in a sea of =�s�h�lt. Atter 1oo�Cing
at t:escri.d�p and t1�� �1ew ��p�rtment complc�x c�n �ooti�ill, it appeared
to hi�u Ct�at stng�eric�� ��z t�tie Uuil.diags doE:s nac reduce tti� -,ba�racks
�;.�t,k;;. There seems to be c�i�.ly one access to Chis ��roperty, �nr�, i� is
n<,c Foothzll :,ivd. He asked ii tize�e is any possibility o� extend3n&
M�rri�u�z�i Aver�ue t� p�rovid� local acc�ss. He asked i£ the,��f�.��. .C_z�cks
coulci rn�neuuex hc�re. tie al;�a �z��tr�3 tp kno4�r abouC �t�he g�,adin���rlans.
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At this poiant, Mr. ii�ude�a� a ��d �or a �+�tt �+u�tic�e oi� �1��r �'� � � �� ast�
He said 'h� wau�d I�1c+� �cl{ 'c���`ek �t� '�r$��'��� `'�r�`� -. �a�
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density-wise and dc:s:ign--wise. Vi.ce--!Chai�ttsa Buthetnuth said h�t �
dicl not ab�ect �n th� Gontinuartc� `� . 'E��`WQC��.ii` '��`��ke to see � c:lu���r� � � �
here �ritli rc�ciuced density, perhaps 8 uniCS per acre. Cc^vaissianer �
0'Keefe s�id he ti.��ulci like te� �ee a ne*�t SppT�OaCI1 to clu9tez'.
DifficulC sites �arnetimes provide sot�te rathet tin�i^t�s��v� res�r�,Cs'. `` �
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M�ved Uy Commissinner Puet2, sect�nded by Cc�tat3���o�'r f'���e�'��tb ; ' +�-Z-�2 and
c4ntinue appl:ic_ations 24-Z-71 and �O-TM-?1 �o t�ove��ier 2�; l�t�t. ��-TM-71
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5. ApFlicar.ian 7-V-71 a£ City of Cup�xtina for Vaxiance to
increase allowable f.er�ce height from six feet to eight f.e+�t
for the fo3lowing single-Eamily lats be�kyg located wester�y :
r�f and ad3acent to �'reeway Raute $� �nd narthexly of
Fitzgeraa.d Avenue in an R1--7.5 zone. Lots 1 Chrough 20,
Tract 4735; L,�ts 65 through 83, Traet 4658. First Hearing.
• Colored slides af the area in ques��.an were shawn. Ccmmaissioni�r t if thEy
�uetz said everybvdy is aware of the probl�n and he was ready Co don't �?t go
vote �n this, unless there were camm�nt� fYQm the audien�e. ` �8`?
Vice-Chairman Buthpn�ith wondered what it wou�.d' lc�ak' like i€ �ome �
of the proFerCy owners put up 1 ar 8' fences and so�e didri't: °
Mr. Charles Cedarholr�, 10325 Dempgter Ayenu�, said he ie an �he ' �From thP freE
steerin� commi�tee for the Homeowners' Association: Prau� in 'the =yc�u can see �
c�rs driving 3own the fre�way y4u can actually see ove.r the=6�`��� `- �ground level.
f ences to the ground l�vel of these hotAes. Ther�e were diverse ° '"" �the hack ya•rc
opinions at �:ieir first meeting as to what the'8' fences shauld
l�ok like and when the:y should ga in. Co�mrai.ssianer Puetz would ' ' �
like to have them all go in at the same tf�te. 'The Planaing
Directar did not see how Chis cculd be enforced. 'The freeway ;
lazidseapin� is about 2 year� away. The ViCe-Cha3.rman said the � '
property o:ancrs cculd also p1anC �Un:e shruL•s alang their proper*_y
linc: to help screen the freeway.
Mr. Cedarh�lrn sa�d at Pepperwaad, some oL t��e people used wooa and 'Feeling of u�
same used fibergl�s to extend their fences. He added that Chis ix� nei�hborh�
pr�blem seems to be brin�ir,g the neighbors closer to�ether rather
tt�an apart to solve Cheir proble�.
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Public Heating I+�ved by Cc�mt�i�sioASr Q��+��,: *+�� � ������ , ,�
closed Clase the Publ��� �ie��$,.: , ; � . � � ��� , � ,� �'.��. : � �_
triotiotx carried, 3-t� a
7_��_71 Moved by Caminissianer t?'IGee�e r second�d by C�mmtission�r Puetz w to`, .
approved recommend t� the City Cauncil apgraval of applicatian 7-V-71'�rith
c�,'::onditions Che following condi,:ions:
1) �ight £e�t sha7.1 be the ma3cim�a..h+�ight� .a�.'Qwed. ; �
2) The r�at�rials & cr��.ors used must� m:ttch �Cbo$e of the exist�.ag fence.
3� This varf.�►�ce shall pertain o�n:�y �to �the���eace��hei8h� on �Lfie '�
easterly praperty line.
AYES: Commissioaers 0'Keefe, Puetz, �ic�-�hairman 8uthennth
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ABSENT: Car�..uissioner Hirshon, Chair�►an Meyex�
Motioa carried, 3-4 #
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6. Appli�atian 33�-U-71 af Vallco Park, Ltd. fcx 1Jse Permit to
a�.low cons�tructia;l of a L�gh� �udus�zia.��FBu�.�.d#.ng co�t��tipia,g_ �
approximately 85,q00 sq�::are fee�. Sa�d p�c+�perG�`. is I.o�►�+ad``
at the north�rly termi.nus of Megdow�Ave��, �PProxim����y .
300 feer easterly af Tant�u A�uenue and '�S� .feet $aut�sx2y. of
Homestead Road, in an��Q,, (Ligli� In�dust�ial} �one,:� Fixia�t Hesr3.ng.
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The Planning Dixector said th�'s is the property thaC was fax�ae�ly
owned by the Santa Clara Unified School Distxict an�i was PurG�tased
by Vallco Park. There �s concer� of ad�acenr residen�s rsga�ili�g��
potential naise and light spill over onto th�i.r p�opertie's.� �'his
praperty wil�. be served bp a pr3vate 30' s�reet ��rhic�i will��xt�nd�
from its pre��nt locatiaa between �I�ter$iI a�d Mark �ystem,s�,, az,ou�d
tize Mark Systems site to �iomestead� #tosd. A conditio�,�as attach�et�
to the 1967 Intersil Use Fermit wher��y a, 4�' �street �ogul;i�� be v�fered
for dedication providing secess to the property invo2ved �n the
�urrent application. He said the applicant is now proposing a
30' , no parkin� street. If , in the fuCure, Vallco Park is interested
in dividin� the pxoperty in any way the street would have ta be
accepted by the City. Th'.+ plan is in coniormance with the Znter-City
pgrzement with SanCa Clara as to placement �f structures o:� ad ' '..xn&
properties . A condition was placed on the rezoning to conforut to
the MI, requirements. '
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Mr, �lalt�r ita�rd �en�.r��.,M�u�s e�r ��r yr�, ( � �
P.�r, C'�i'�!# �!3�..�����*�m�i±pe ����� ���CJ1AL�8
the bui.�dim� is�desi��+ed�, [t�ere wou�,�;-�� �,��#� � �����.�" ����� ��*�+�:ts
ei h of Che ara �@C i$ 22 �eai��. 7C�t�t� 14 r����'�`oi►� ��, ��,'�+�?� ,
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berm ar�a. The Schoo7..L!sC�ict sti2�. a�ed C��.���TOp�s��p wh!Ee�► .
Intersil was built. Vallcc praposes La e7cte�ci" th� �t�ce�C zo tt�e '
same 30' wide sCandarcis, If there shauld t�e a change tn ownexsh3p,
the conclition cau.I.d be Co r�ec}u�ire a 40-foat_.d�d..i.�BC�op. .,�i+�„�$�d, �� � .:,6.:
any air condition3.n� eGuipmenC on the roof will b�:Fp�p�r�.�'�°�����.��
as to sr�nd. T" e rear wall is �02 feet �.roaa� �Che r�ar prop�ex�y I�.�e�
The City flrdina;ice says a�y bu�.ldin� sh�ll be bacic froaa the proper�
line faur times the height of the building, Th�y h�ve 90 pa�'ki.ng
�p�ces over the requirement. There is a 25-faot landscaped buffex
strip. � �� _ , � .
ilice-Chairman Buthenuth �ras cenc�xr�ed .�bauk .a.h� 3�-�oot e��r�re�., a . Co�tC,erri over
where there ca�ll be s� znuch ��x'af�i.c. . �CtC.� W�a.�d „sa�,c� the" c.�YB,C�it � �0� s�`e�t
exit ta eit�ier Tantau or Hor�estea+�. � _ ;��a .•�
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Vice-Chairr�,,n �uthenuth asked for camm��ts f=+om t"he audf.et�ce..
Mr. George Koblesnsky, Melody Lane. Sx�rs.ta'ga,Y was conc�.rTi�,P.d abau�-;, Gases•delive
noise. He said the gases �a�e del.iu�red to ��z���'�il ae sny t:�ola���� �t all times
the dav or n:tght and greatly disturbs the pevple in the aeig�Ybox- ttnisy.
� hood. He would iike to hsve a security £ence installed on v�llco SecL.iCy fer
Parx property to zaa3ce it a l:itt2e h�rder for burglarg. request
Mr. CQOperaian, :l.�lady Lane, asked who w4uld liEic� a ,la�ge g�a�k,�ng _ Keep tanks �
lot next door to �h�, as he has to put.�ap.wi�h. �1e thQttgh��:���e ' frGm resider
securi.ty fence i�ea was a good ane, , �is �l,s� �ug��st�d t'�e �:#,$hts
be ].owered ar.d baffl.ed. He wauld I.itce�Che aitrqgea t_a�tk�` �p�.a�ed
mAre in the industrial area and aot sa.Clo�e ta the residential
area. He felt the landscaping �was n�glec��d: '
Mr. Ward fiaid there will be a 25' berm planted. They are goirig to Mor� prohler.
be revieWed by H-CQntrol. They sre tryfng to g�t Che lands�aping
done before development af [he praperty. He said they at�e negc�tia
ting to have a p3ant on the siCe, which wauld mean the gases would
be piged to I�:tersi2, etc. He added that he was unaware of the
problem of delivery trucks going there at night. He uzged the
people, if there is a prablem, ta call the Vallca Office anci
complain. Mr. Louis Cressy, Melody Lane, said they have to listen
to 2 hours an� 20 c�inutes of pumping �v�ry daq (or night) when the
trucks come. Mr. Ward said Che facility they are glatzning righz
naw has no pcunps. It will �e about 4 montbs before the nitzoge�
can be �iped in to Zntersil. C�mmissian�r Puetz said we have an
Ordinanc�: which prohibits excess��ve ncise from 20 P.M. to 7 A.M.
M:. Ward will speak again to the Intersi3 peaple, and will give
them a copy of th� Ordinance.
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Mr. Jc�hn �eiissr��``�el�+cl� L�tn�,,.�'�+������� ����`s"� C��t''�� i�'�a�������
equipme�C far t�t#.i� �.�t�'�+� +� ��i�t1�b� �t���:��"��.lt�i: � '�� �it� �
eq�ig�er►t wiil ba irn�ikal�.�d: Ks`: `��icr si�"��.�"`i�"=�u� � � �`��c+t--
c;�pe air canditianing", not s sopht�sti,.�ti�t' �ty�texm °aa �s irt``Idtt���.�
n�x��� �c Neari�.¢s ;foved by Cvmmissioner PuetZ� s�e�onded bY C+c1��.�ss�.vt1l.►1' t�tKee#+et ta clase
�:loscd the P�sblic Hearings. : .
I�t ian carr ied, 3-0
33--U-71 Moved t�y Cauunissioner Puetz, seconded by Ca�aissianer O�Ke���° to "
�,n�ra�,�� approve applfcation 33-U-71 with the coaditians as set forth iA the
�.:t`cond it ions Planning Departmestt r��s�a af G�tobe�r 22, `�"��1:; cond��ion 4;�- l�u $=►�`�o�ot
secuxicy fence to be erec�ed� al�ng th+�" e�ctixe re�ridenti�.al.�3a�du��r�1
Praperty line; and Ganditio� 5. In L'Iae `rve�it 4he p�ropert',-: is° eub��=x
divide� the 40-faot street dedica�ion i�, ro be enf°rced. .
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AYES: Co�rc►issfoners �'Ke�fe, Fuetz, i�ice-�C:�airuEan Buthenuth
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�;OF,S: None ` , . :
ABSE�tT: Co�nissioner Hirshon, ChairYaa� ��ers y_ . � �.°�
'Mot ian carried,''�3-fl� . �`` . ' �
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7. Applications 22-TM-Il and`34�U-71�vfc�t�fna, Inc'c�rp+�ra�+�c� far
(1) T�n��eive I�ap to ��divte�e ���.T�°ac're� 'inta 42 sing�E-�s��ly"����►ts
and one lat tc� be held f'n com�drem io�e�sh�p a�d C'�)� 'L1ss°�`�s�zti�
to allow the canstruction or 42 s3.ngl�e-fa�nfly hom�s ����A'a"'�
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(Pl�nne� Developa�ent) �one. �� SafcY"`pi�gt�ty�f:s �lacated 'aC�tt�� � �.
r,ort���ast corner "of' ':orre Av�nu� a����°i�cigica �Av�inue:��
First Heari.ng, � . . :
D�n�:ty ton ThE site pla� �ras disp3ay�d. The PZanming b�.zector aai� �h#.`s ' a
� ��;gP, c2u�cer develapme�tt has a densf.ty �high�r �han �we� iike to�ha�re �c1� .��� .
�i�cse cluster developments. The peopie 3nvo3.ved in the To�-`C�ntlr
skiould be c.alied togett�er tc� cansider this propcsal. Elevgt3otl�s
c�i the prapo�al were passed araund far al�. to sP�.
:'.r.?� i�.c.cture Mr. �tarti �iess, 21840 Stlaron Urive, San 3ose, said he fee3.;t they
�;c.r�t i;131`E:f� to .�ave R�acle a geod attempt to coordinate the ar�hjt�ct�re wtth tMe
'�-�>:.::1 �.�„zr�� T�wn C���ter erchitecture. mhis prop�rt� ?��� be�n zonea for over
6 ;re�3rs, but l�e noted th� staff report indicate�i a decis�.dn on this
could b�: 1.S to 2 years aw�y.
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s is ha'°�ia�Ni�'._f.n k�ie ��aw,n`C�n�`e'r A���p������� "��.��+�r
� suici basical�y> what pp 8 ry , � ,
City ti�ll �nd I.ibra�y is prc���z�sic�a� af�icee, '4't�e �'��;���� ���
whetl,er ax not this is a de�i�rab� p3.�ct tc gut d+N�t��,�.� ���t• .
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Cammissivner Pu+�tz s��d :�,f �e dc��i�t ����� ��a ���a�"�,�'� ��It�'�' ±��` ,d -, �Im��t �to�m
wh did w+� a rove tt�aC niulEi-�t+�xy bui�s��'�ig ae�c��r���1��"'� �+�L�'�,°_ y �;�s��Qa�r:
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go ahead with a complex of thfs n�ture, �� msy be la�ing a�:��`t�rn :;; �
!!e wonderc.::i if thi� is �a3ng �o be the fac�l point of the City ut �
not. �'icc-Ctzairman J3uttac�nuth said the Town CeriCe� is �oin$ along �
siowly, bty� it is goin�, �lc�c�g. '�he minute��yoa �geC si�$le'�i`t�dt�2y � �" ; . _. .
developr��r�C in ther�� it•wil�. inhibiC the Town`�G�nCe� �t�eve�op�l�iC. �° `- �
Cor.��is�ian�r 0`Keefe said Chi� Gity n+�eds z� co�e area. Oux aivic ���
cent�r is in � unique posiCian with D+e:�nz� Colleg�, SC. Jos�p'�►'s �
Chvrci�� the Libr�ry, etc. He is stron�ly in favor of A care airea,
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particul.3rly arouncl our civi.c r_enCer with the co�dp3e.��tstarY �erv�c��
rnentioned in p�ragraph 4.
Mr. Hess sG�id nll th� dedicatinns �re in and now the propexty awner
saants ta do aamething wiCh his pro, �'ty. lie safd they are lookin$
to the City �or �uid�nc�. He asked .�ow 'they fc1C abouit �uZti-story
apartmen�:s. Commis5iaaer Puatz said we �re tryin� t�o keep si�tg2e
fan:ily residen�es au� �of the Town��Cet�tez"�be��use°�thi�p wtsu2d �av��� � � .
quite a biC to say a3out Che �dioining prape�tie��: Vice-Ch�i�tn �p"
�,urhenuth felt that a g�rder. apartm�n� °evin�lex��ui�der � �'�i�g3e �� ° � �
c�wr�ersh�v would be good here�. �Commissf.onie�r� 0'K+ee�e��`said'he feels � �
that every cit��en should have� the opportunitp Co'live �the�����ha � � �
� wants. Perhaps it would l�e desirable ta �live, say',.'�la�e to .he `s
l.ibrary. He believes that if yon take the peop�.e'off t�ie sC°re��^ ` �` }
you are g��n$ to have grablems.
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Mr. Anthony *iusolina, 36 �ara2d Avenue, San Jos�, said he is t�he � �eGomments on
property awner�. Ae said he would� 2�.ke t�e op�.z�siori ��tbe Casri�i.a-�� � ��steel & conc�
sione*s as to a two- or three-star}� building aver a garage:='I€ tf�� �� �° ° ° ��'�l�i-�tiaxY
is built high enough it could be ecanomicall,y feasible to go Co >building her�
steel and concrete, Comm�.ssioner 0'Kee�e sa3d th�s t�tould enct�ur$ge" `
cou�plemenrary s�rvices. He world �ike ta see more open space oa
the plan. !ie likc�� the idea of the garage uader the n�ulti-story
bt�ilc:ing. Commissioner Puetz thoughC this might be a good idea;
it woulci hclp to identify wtierc the City Hall 3s.
i�ir. R.D. Koewitxer, 100€�+� Phar Lap Drive, said the original Taw� ` lkrgument
Center Pl.an h�zs not been follawed. The entire plan needs complete against
rerhinkin� before we do anythiiig with the remaining undev�loped ( mul.ti-story
propPrty. H� did not agree that a 7-stary building �hould be sa
n�ar City }3a11. tie requ�sted this Tentati-:e Map be denied.
Moved by CoMmissioner Puetz, secar►ded by Commissioner 0'Keefe to
close the Yublic Hearings.
Motion carried, 3-0
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The Planning Dir+�tor said anc�tt�+��r ;���i�i�� �� �� ��e�p�.o�`� �
would be for t:enan�s :o� the urp�tit i�t�o��` a�.t���a�s��'��4�� �,�t �� '� �t
ground '_o�►r. ,
22-'r�i-7i and M�ved, by Commissiane�r Puetz. second+ed by Commi$sioner 0'K+ee.fe t�
34-U-71 deny with�aut grejudice appiications 22-TM--71 and 34-U-?1. .
d�.i�ied .
AYES: Co�missioners 4'Keefe, Puetz, Vice-Chafr;aan Buthenuth
iv'flES: None
ADSENT s Ccra�issioner tlirshon, Chairman Meyers `,
Motion carried, 3-0
8. Cans:d�ratic��1 oF ame�da►ents tca the £ollvwing Citjr Ordi:nanGes:, � ,
(1} ���fc�anca P.o. 220{]�) �d�letir�g child care _cer�t�r��ho�ae� ,�, r
from S�ct�.c��i J.��i.l(c) �nd addi�g atlter q�asf.-pub.�i� us�ts��u��t �� �
as rest hom�s x boardin� houses, Q��., to� sa�d� �ec�ion, at�; � s�_ ;.
(?.) 4rdinances zegulating, siitg,le -farn3ly, resident�.�i�: u�e�£a w ,.��,5;,
(No,�. Q02 j,k) , � 402(k-2) , 220, 224(a) , 224�d� and 220�$�»1) , ;_� �..°-,:p f-•-
redez3ning, �er�itte�d uses im sa�.d �one�� build�ng �,s�tbac�s,����� ,
aeees$orv buildi�gs, building Yte�.$ht li�ait, and other p��Ci�ent �
deveiogment regulatia�s. F#rst H�ariug conCir��ued, .. '
The �'lanni.ng Airector passed out cc�pies of the S�h draEt, sayiiig e�y
ti�is is ,just a xewriting of the �rd.'_nances,.incorporating ths,; rt
revisions ma�e by th�* Goauni�sioners. It h:..� be�:u r�fined by the
City Attorney. _
t�ub 1 ic �tear in�� Af ter it kr�s ci�eck�d over, it was a�oved�b� C��i,ss;�.on,���,�'t�ee�e. . � .
�; �t;�� secanded b}' Commissioner Puetz to close th+� �ublic Heaxings.
Motion carr�.rd, 3--U
�r.;i dr�ft Movccl i�y Commiss�aner Puetz, secor►dec� by Co�msissi.oner 0'Kee�e to
r���,:���c�nde� �o recor��mcncl Ca the City Council the fifth draf.t of the above--
.:; t•• t",o�,• _1 referet�cecl Orciin�nces.
Motion carrieci, 3--0
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9. Sr�rvice Station i�udy
Du� cu thc� ]�t� hc>�.,x� , f t cras mc�ved by Ga�tnf.st�f.csn�r P�ecz, second�d Se�rw.�,ct 5ta
by t;�:s:��:n�:,��i o��c>�� t�'�:cc�c �a po����one th� Sezvic� SC�tion Study. sLus�y
. postponed
:t�tir�n carried, 3-0
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10. D3:;cussian r�;;aruing c�:an�i��; day o� mertin;.
�ir_c-C:i�:3ir�.�n �ticnc:T�:�tii a�c� i��. c.�csu!d � ike [o cot�tinuc� ta raeet ot� Continue t�
Mancl�,}:� b�causc iL h��s :�c�E���� thaC caay �t�r a loi7g tir�c� �nc2 h�!s li�� mee� vn
i sc�t u� that t•:a�. :r.�sc�, tt:� sc:��f neecls Chis ti*ne to get ready �Icsnday��
fc�r th� Cit;, Ct�i�:.cii :,�eetis���;s ttie follo�ti�in� Mc�nda�,�.
R�1'CRT U�� I'Le��;;T:;G C0:•i•li`a',ri?�Q.'�: �c�Lh�Ilg, fuzCh�X �
tt�F'Ofi1' UF Yi.��:'��I..G UI:tr:i.TOii: Nqthi.n� further
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�x�vc�d l��y� C�r���is:�i.oz�er Fuetz , seconded by Co�missic�ner fl'I��efe Co �
ac�journ tl�c� meEtit:�; at 1:2 i A.�i.
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