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TiZe meet�n� r�aas callea to order at 7:35 P�: by Ch�i.i'r�an Buthenuth,
�tJLL CE1LL
Con�n�. present: Adams, �att�, Ilellis (�:00) ,:;`1Ce.�.�e and Cnai.:mar.
t3uthenuth �
Cor;un. aUsent: iyone
5ta�i presenL: Associate Planner Co�,1an
' �.ssistant City �.ttorney Lerry
Econor.mic Consultant Arnold �
Jirector �- Planninu and Jevelo�r:�ent Sisk (a.-ter
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1.. GZT�Y �P C�.iPEr�! 1.�T0: Pu'�lic Heat°ini to consid�r 1.')73 �
Comprel�e;isive General Plan. �Jallco �'ark not included..
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a. Consideration o'�: �2.3 acres o�y progerty 1.oc:�.teu wit hzn
the southeast quadrant of SL Creek 31.�7d. an:i �=r:.a 13
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Sunnyvale-5arato�. :::oad - Area ;30. 1`3.
T�Ir. Cowan gave bacl��round of area to be consi.der�d.
Chairman Buthenuth aiinounced the cor.�ission would be discussi_n� �
residential alterna�ive for �eneral plan study. I.E property a�.*ners
desired to tallc about othe:~ a�ternates, the commission would listen. �
iliscussion in Plannir_.g Coin�:ission would be residential alternative.
Otner alternates have been placed on some of ttiese properti.es.
?�1r. Cowan pointed out the aprroximately 53 acre� bein� consi3ered,
Zonin� is Planned Jevelop.nen� witii various land use intents. The
majority of the pioperty was zoned Planned Jevelopment with coinmer-
cial intent witiz some s._�aller areas planned fo- multiple fa�r.ily use.
It c�ras noted that Councz.l preferred to see the northern portion
developed in large bi.ocks ra�h�r than in smaller parcels.
Torre Avenue zxtension �vas d�.scussed. It was ascertained this exten-
s:Lon is includecl in tne Capital Impro�:•e��:ents Pro`ram.
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Mr. Coc•aan pointed out several things for Commission to keep in niind:�
street pattern as it affects the property; geographic location, this
corner being focal point of community; ownership pattern which is quite
fragmented.
M�. Tom 0'Donnell representing Cali interests, said one developer
woul.d like to put in Tow:1 and Country Center ��ith two r.iajor tenants,
Center would be a hi�h fashion type use and in keeping ��ith a regional
center. They are now ii� a position to develop 26 acres and with caopera-
' tion of other land owners �his whole 52 acres could be developed in
�ompatible uses. He pointed out this-is the hig.hest c�ensiCy intersection
in the Val•ley.
Chairman Buthenuth said this property has been cor_sidered for commerc3.al
with professional offices being an alternate under stucly at this time.
Mr. 0'Donnell said he assumed the commission was talking about high
density residential and r�rondered what deiisi�y would justify �building
aparCmenCs against tremendous noise at this ititersection. He said Cali
would continue 'F?l��l I3l"�5@Ilt usage rather than develop residexttial. .
i4s. Juanita �IcLaren spoke for Torre family taho had not received notice
of n :H�tlIlg . She said property owners and developers are ready to pro-
caed with regional c4nt::r bu�.lc�ir.g, plan� liaving been submitted ,to
Council and Y��nning Commission.
A member in the audience questionec� method of notif.ication to pub].ic
� regardin.g these meetin�s. fIe said pro,perty otaners feel the study of
4 8 and 12 units per acre of residential development is ridiculous
and the stuc�y stioulc� be abanc�oned. A re�idential of 30-40 units an
acre might warran� cons�deration.
Ft�rther discussion was held on this point. Mr. 0'Donnellsaid it �aas
diFf icul�C for him to see why people would want to l.ive on Lhis busy
� corner. He rejected a professional off ica complex as being economically
unfeasible f�r t�ie Cali in.terests td consid�r.
Comm. 0'Keete referred to � P,and Corporation survey that de*ermined
Santa Clara Va11ey's principal use in do�-m.town area uras recreational
rather th�.n com�mer.cial.; i.e, x'estaurants, theaters, cultural events, etc.
Restaurants aiid t�Yi�a�ers caY� mix �aith residential in a planned development.
Gorrm�. Nellis noted concept of theater comes under um"orel.l.a ro:nmercia].
. zone, such as ice skating rink or anything t��at i� recr. eati.ona.l. but
is a commercial venture. r1r. Cali nated t�iey �ia�i been t�arkin� under
burden of taxes and o1d-fashioned plant hoping the City �rou.ld come
� up F�ith sometli.ing cahicti would enable i:he:m to mave their iacil:ities.
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The posGibility of eli.rainaCing 'l"orre Avenuc cxtex��:�cn and combinir..g (
two parcels was discus5ed.
ConLm. Ga�r_o said ii� t_he :interest:. of �;etting residenl�ial input to the
consultanrs ht was p�'oposir:g nur�bers insi:cad of density factor. ��e
proposec� a study of 1,0a0 living un,i�s o�z the 52+ acrese �
It was suggesLed mixi_ng; zoiling, part being coirunercial �nd par�. being I
high density.
It was also suggested that .:�f Torre Avenue t:'asn't extE:nded an.d wi.th
pla�zting in resideiltial area in southeast quadrant, per��4ps thi��
could he a compa�Cible study poin�L tor revietr tll�t wouJ_d be reasonably
viable.<
Mr. Arnold said as f.ar as econamy to City with commerciai, resic:ential
or industrial, the fisc�l return to City and schaol district would
rioC be much different. He. a.sk�d t,rh��t the corur_issior� �aould like �o see
on that corner.
Comm. 0'Y:eefe said this was the tiub of the Gi�y and shou.l_d hav�
� maximurn use in terms of h�urs useci< Put:tir�; people cn t�ie street:s
in a socia7. context is periarr.:ir�g an impc�rtant f:unction for. th.e
Ci.ty. Ci.vi.e.; sht�u7_ci not di.e 3t 5:00 F.P4, ar,d an weE.kends be�ause
of the developmenY with resrrict�d uses C»" fllI1C�7.OT1�
Comm. Nellis said s�e loo�:�c� a� th� Ca1i property i.n terms of
To�,m Center image. She sug�;ested a prof.essionai ofLice a5 an aption
�aith pos5ibly a:�utu.r. e hospital l.ocated in Town Center .
PSr. Arnold 531c� �1P would like t� get idea.;: of specif�_cs of a].teYnat�s
from Planning Comr.iission. jtirhat zs being laolced fer i.s neG� concept �
of neighi�orhood impacic anc� (:�1�'3.:"�CtP_Y uf the City. �,rhat d�es i.t mean
to talk in certain niz'nbers? Gloul.cl comniission mer.i�ers like to see a
high rise corner or is this a ieaction to property otaners ��ho say
they can only get Lheir mone.y uu� of: L progerty if �t is hi€;n
rise? He said the City would Luy L piece of pr.uperty and do '
whatever they wanted to toith it . What t�ould a residen.t:i.al are� cn
this very importan'r. ^orner ot the City �f CupErtino do for the C�.ty?
Couun. Gatto said 1., OOQ came in antici.pation of type of density i:hat
would be put �n tliat piece of praperty in iiis opiniono Inter�sity of.
activity is peaple moving and having activ:ities thE>r.e tha� geneia�e
that type of movE�m�nt . For th 7.5 y any residen� ial use oii this piece
of land would have Lo be ver. Lical . `Llie ciev�lopr�lent and intensity of
development should be one uf the highe�t �)O1.I1�S :in the City.
Open areas between concentrated areas were discussed. •
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Corlm. � 0' I:ee £e said .residential. migl.zt be a contra.s t to Gemca 4nd I�lervy:�
developr,:enCs and not so lieavily automobile orienr_ated. tiould o:�fer a
ch�ice o� living style.
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� Cliair_�:�.<ari Uutlier�utii r�oi:�d discussicn taas r._erlclin� to�a�.t�:d some type o�
. hi�h�r derisa.ty mu.ltiple �esidential,
� ;:fr. Arriolcl t,rarned con�.�ai.ssion to assume theze woul.d 1�e no bi� d�zf:Eerence
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£iscal..l.y as far as tl�e Ci.ty and schco]_ dis�ricts a��e concerned.
Chair^�a.n �uthenuth said whate•.Ter 2oning was decided upon, the developers
x or prope owner..s ��ould be dccidin�; whar.. t� builc�. Plann:�n� Co^tmission`s
role was to set 1ar�d use; not to design trhat �•�ent on Che pr�perty.
rdhen asked about extent of stuciy on proposed project, I�Ir. Arnold said
� tiiey were t.rying to g�Vt air�o�.nt uf sules i�er square toota;e. �Ie said
� tl.iey �v�ere also raork_i.n� on� tra!:L ;aith startling resul.t:s and on fiscal,
� whicYi had also produced surpris�i.nc; result.s. He said Lhe Liscal is �rildly
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di�terex:t.
T.t was sui:ur�arized that al1 property sl�iould be tied to ;ether, trai:iic
� should b�. studied on 1,0��0 un:its i:�or entire acrear e r.esiciential, and
� st��eet f�atterr_s should Le considered.
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�'_�ea i7o, l�+ � b. Consid�rat�_on of 33.7 ac.res oi property �.oc �ted �aithin the north�-
� �����st quadraiit ei Stc��,°��:ns Creek �ioulevard ancl �'tellin �_:oad -
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F :�r. Co��rnn po:inted uut az�`a und�r co�?.s:i.der�!f�ion, l-I� noted L:�e C'::<.pita_L
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� :ir. Sa� ch said t�riey �a.re plann:i_ng to bu�.1d a� a den�it.y of about 5�an.its
� per <<cr�. Tile fro�it 1?. acres liave bee,1 tlie Sllii)ECt o♦_ many discu_.sions,
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���ar_y stud:ies have can�;�incea ti-�er,i tllat res.i.�.enti.al :i_s ,iot fea.sible.
� IIl€;YC?3S c'1i1t� L��',;.e:�S ila� li�PI1 1�.]_an.ned .�or both U2.TC�iS.
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1:t ��ras sur,gested �iiat mul.tiple r.esiden1:.:? 41 would be lietter. t�t�i�. single
� � iarai:Ly unit:,s r�e:�� ta tite pa?:Lc. Zt ��as fel.t most p�trl:.s a-.e a ure�din�
; ;rouiid �_c�r prob.lems-. L�oise fr�ctor shou�d also b� a consicl�xa; ion as
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� th�;:e t�r�.2i be ,�ct�.viti.es ir. i�a7-k tini.il l.ate at ninl,t {�.� n;-:ny eT.��n=ings
iiz t:he sum�:er.
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� A to?•��� cl.u:�ter o:� 1Q units pc:r acre' e��as cliscu;�sc�.d �.;it�i an alterr�aC.e
� o�: mt�ltipJ.e r_es:��ar�nrial oL 1G-?.0 unit:� per acre.
� � 7r �d.:.� nut.eri sir!.s.).� ia._7.:{.y c�ndc,. in.��Li7us dca�� Cetaer youn�; ia:s�:_i�.ies
which ��oialcl �,i<al�.ti �. �?ii::'eren�:e 1Z1 sc;iool cli:;tr.i_ct i.:u�.>act.
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It taas :;u��Lsi:ed tliis t•�ould be zn exccl.lent ,~�ite for the e]_dcil.y
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since the�°u t•rot?ld bc LransnorLata��n clos� by, it is `�•aithi.n �:1
ciist:ance of t.li� �'o�r U�t:i.c�e, com�ni��r.ca.al. ai�d parl; site.
Comm. GaLto s�id it general ��tan ca.lted icr hi&h densi�Cy, Lhe �
ordinance t�ould have to �e changed.
An audience mexnb�r �ugge:>ted Y1.annizig Coiru:�ission shoul.d pursue an
atlult co::�ununity tor the eldErly, as th:is t.oulct UE: a most desirable
local:ion foz the.m.
B1.ock gianrs to cities under t�le S���_cal Revenue Stiarin� Bi.11 � �
was briefl.y C71.SCU55E?CY •
Chairnlan Buthenu�h pointed our tha� pxapvr_ ty o�c4ners coul.d r.iot be
forcecl to build retiremeilt con�unit}�.
Conmi. O�Keefe said if Cr,ristia7zsr�n pr.operty is residential develop-
• rr�:ir, he coulc� see few �ise.s ot_her than ehtensian of inemox par:�; or I
co:lunercial. He £elt i�. �was a gooci concept to have a�lult r.omm��ni�y I
across f_rom thc� coll.egeo
Chairman But}�ent?th stu.�imarized: (1) lf pr.operty is divi.ded and
Chr� sri�.nson a11.o�•7ed. t.o develop area as resiclentzal., 12 uni�s per j ,
acre, �:hen Saicli pr.���e�ty sf��oulcl �be eyten.sioil of inemc�rial. pa.i-1: ar
con�n�rcial. (2) SCt,tdy shoulcl explore hornes for the e1_de�:ly.
Comm. ivelli � said she F,�ould lil.e (] ) consider. the pa:�si�bil_ity of
35U un.its �n entire parcel �cahicl� t��ould �e s:i.nnJ_e f�mily c1_uster
�yp�, appro�.imatE:ly 10 units per ac.ra and (2) 6�?0 units _�:oi- mu:i_ti.pl� �
us� at 12 to 16 unit.s per acre, and (3) 1,OU0 ur�it� foi Ll�� parcel
which Caould be a.pproxirna.tely 30 unaus per acze•�,yith possibl.e app?�oach
to elder].v .
Mr.. Fitzgerald saicl 33 acres t�aitl� 1, 000 units tabuld cali. �or 6 stor:i..es
�vith undergr�7und parking. T� t�aas opincd i�hat putting � stories nc�xr
to mem�rial �iark, col.le�e and res�dential ta�uld �estroy nei�;hbonc�,od.
Comm. Ne11is s�.icl �'tie t��as tliinking in t�Z1iiS of 3 stories, not G.
• Ratianale for commerci.��1. �tiras �hat �o�nmercial center would serve a
br.oad 'area. De�isi�y at G1.en Brook apartments and Christi�nson
development �f_ it went through o,roal.d pro�vide reasonable: access and
. eliminate need foL autiomoUile traffic to some rlegree.
It was noted a develop��r. had made a research ancl ar,y buildin� less
than 40 unit� an acre would be econr�m. unfeas�ble.
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,�.fter. i:urth�r d3_r:us:,i_on, tne c:csmission pr�pos�d a study on Clie uasis of:
350 un�_ts oi ;;�.ti�.l.c: lami.ly u�•Tel:lin�;s Vnct 50Q uiiiCs aii;l 1,OOU un:its of
multiple �ami].y.
Cl�,air�n�:n l3utl�erivt�� #:l�ien cal�.c�a i�or �Z t�:i? �,�i.nut_a re�.��ss,
t:iE.'£i i'�p. .l� `. C. �%OT131C�E1":.11:iU11 Oi �.�F.7 c1CY05 0.^ p:rop��rt;� .I.00;_li:t.(1 W1_t�llll tll� SOUt'll�•i!lEt: .
��nd sotiLh��."t quac .C'di1L3 of the inters�ctian o� Ste11 i:o��d atid
llomest�:acl �'a<�.cl -- E1r�a. :lo, 19.
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� i�Ir. C;oc����G noted �r. or�er. t}� is ?� ��;.zJ.}* fr;�;;n� ni�ed , �rea :i.s now zo�ied
; coin�,>e�-c:ia1. One pr.n}�.Le._. �aifi.li �,o_;���:ercia � is the cor.:=�:ex'cia1. a,-ea �r�
' �i�� r��.-ti�; is ar_oG�.c:r ccin.;r.�rc.iti�l ���ant-ed % lt �ras repc�rted tiiat �runs�•ric�.
� Corp�r�itzon is cori��ide.riit� puLting ir_ � i�c�; a� 1.ey next Lo the
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�It ��.is noce�. there ara se�,��r.al arar.rr::ents I.II ar.ea � are sho*�ring a
_ �-1Cl vacancy :Eactc�r.
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� Co,�usi, 0''_�eaie said, he did nat see re.�idcni:i_�1_ for ;;hcse, tyao ��arcels.
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MINLITES OI� T�II� T�TAY 7, 1�373 �liJ. RI. �. �'IaAt��l��J:TvG COi-1'�1I557�OT1 MTG. PC--�S
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Topo�raph}� ].enc��� itsr:.l.f tn open s��;ce oUt:a:_cir o� service area.
'There �re p�iys� cG]_ ctii"f ir.u],ties t��ti.i.r.h �*i]_7_ rn::i,e Lhi s ar�a hard
to deve7_op .
A proposal �aas made �:o consicier �.l�e. entirc� parcel o� J.S��, ��nd
15B as a w}.o_le, w.rith 20U 11211�5 <ncl 400 uniL�.a on th� entire par. cel .
Chairman Buthc�nuth st:�g�;e�ted an a1tE�rnate c�f 15A, a flat area,
being devel.oped �_n ��:ir�c;l� famiiy �f 7, 50U ar 4 units t.o an acre
with J.5T3 be�_ng opan 5pace.
Mr. Cow�.n said it would be anvant��eous t� the City ta have it .
considered �s one parcel..
Ar.ea 16 Area 16
Tl.zis area i.s higlil.y L�-a;mer�ted tait�h i�arcels ran�ii.�; f:r.om an^ !:o �
8p acre:;. Larger acreage i� �_n t2i� upper I�ori:a_ori. T��er�. are 378
acres ir� total area �•rittz tl�e aver���;c: slopc about '�0°0.
biscuss� en �,>as r.e1u conc�rning PPC regoz�L anrl srah:i.li ��� of land, 1
Specif ic geo]..ogical. r. epor_ t s az e needec:u . �
Soiy report covers j�ti:ilclir�g sit:^ f-�r buildi.ng sL���uctute and th�
geolo�;ic�:�1. r�port inc tucsE� a st of so:i.l . ,
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.I�ault lir�e:s, .str�i:a ��nc�. make-ul_� of: hil.ls �,Tere cliscuUsed �s weJ.l a� I
possibi�.i �y of mucl slicles and tre.lnc�r� e 3 t�;as noted L l�t,r had �
recently bce.n expa.l7u�:.d t� cover. mud slides aad o.ther se�_smic acti��ities. I
Geologists �ake saYi,nles af soil to detc.rmir�e strata, buC t.�iey C�11 �
say def3_nit�el�� tli:�� a s�_te is safn. Eari�hqual�e� are mar_e dataag:i.nt
on level grounc� tha�i hzllside. On� zeason �or hi7_ls in 5aratoga
sliding taas that btiildirgs b].ocic��d drain��z�,e an<1 *he hil.l� became
sa�C.ura�Ced.
Comm. Ne11is �aid s]ie �oas absttiining �5 commissioner since �ier
family o�an�d �n acrG:; in tliis area. � '
As a property oG,mcr, �lie descri.b�il the terrain and plails for. I
develepr.ent plus difficiilti�s for buildinfl. • .(
It was noted geal.ogy is .zot �n exact scic��ice, 7'he cornmission shoul.d �
s4t dens=i_ty and reqiiire a geclogical r.eport h� prov�_decl L C�.ty
�efore a`t�uildin� pe?-Tnit t��as issuE�cl. This �7nu�.d �t�e for �he protection
of �he buil.der as t�-ell as �he G:�tti .
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�'{�-�S P1I2i�UTES OF T�i� ?�LAY 7, 1973 ADJ , i�?:(�. �LAl;?VIr�C CQ:P`tISSION P1TG.
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'iir. Ar�iold askeci �ai:a� was th` cr•itcri�, sub�ect to rrpurL r�qui�ea:.z�nts,
fox- d�cj_d��ng oz; � cc�rta�.n dens::.�:y of resi.dezit:ial zn this �rea.
PPC �.s i�����c�i on �ubji.ctive �t�a:Lysi� of 1�c� 5 acres pex un�t, c3epending
on sl�i�� :_ t��egn::s�;.
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i.� tercis oi ::]_o�e.. .:aclz decis�,an should be defined uy the si�e
itself ,
i�ie difEc�rf�.nr_ials ir, pt�bli�� taarks COS�S r.f dif.fei��.�t de.�sities t:�iare
considc:red.
Clusr.e? �;rp� de���� ��as d:'t::�c:us�;ed � s� r�eans or nav�.r,g fewer roads
cu� i*_ito }ii11s.
Tt t�,ras tha corcens,us tlia� e�_ci�: ��pp? ic•�.t�_on shoul.d be cu�::::tdare� or. �
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��any di{�eren� topo�;,-arlii�s.
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