PC 09-26-66 10321 South Sarato�'•a-Sunnyvale Road
Cupertino, California, �501L Phone: 252 -�!505
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MINUTES OF THE REGULAR MEETING 0�' TI�C PLANNING COMP��ISSION
Sep'cemr�er 26 1966 8 :Q0 P.M..
Held 3.n the Board Room, Cupertino Elemen'cary School Dis'crict
Office, 10301 Vista Drive, Cupertino, California
I SALUTE TO THE FLAG
II RQLL CALL: Minu�es of previoL�s meeting, 9/12/66
Comm, pres�nt: Bry�on, Buthen>>�ch, Hor�an, Hirshon
Comm. abs�n�: Frolich
Chairman Hirshon explained 'chat Comm. Frolich ti�aas on a
business trip in 'che Ea.st .
S�af�." p��esent: CitSr A�f;orne;�, . Sam Anderson
Director of Planning, Adde Laurin
Director of Public ��Jorks, Fran�: Finney
Ci'cy En�ineer, Bob Shoolc
Recordin�; S�cre �ary, Lois Inv�arc�s
Correc'cion to pa�e 6, last para; � Comm. Bu�chenui,l�
saicl ?��e understood the new snorl:�l wi11 be delivered in
Januar�r.
Correccion to pa�e 7, fourth para�raph: Chairman Hirshon
explaii�ed that with 'ch� absence or iurther fac'cs on
which i;o �aase a more learned decision, he fel'c �he
trafiic problem out-wei�;h�d tlze fire protection problem,
reco�nizinu che seriousn�ss of boi;h problems.
Moved Uy Comm. Buthenuth, seconded by Comm. Hor�an, to
approve the Minutes of Septemb.er 12, z966 as corrected.
Motion carried, �;--0
Comm'. Bryson abs'cained
III ANNOUNCLMENT OF POSTPONF�'IEN'TS, ei:c.
11-U-66 A. SPNTA CLARA COUNTY.CENTRAL.FIRE PROT�CTION DISTRICT:
Use Permit for Fire S�cation on east sid� oi
McClellari Road be�ween Byrne Avenue and Maclrid Road.
Applica�ion withdrat�an..
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PC-1�18 T�Zinvi,es of Sepi,. 26 1966 Plannin� Commiss�a�z Me:etZn; �
The Plannin� Director notec� �hat i,he applican� has
wi'chc�rativn application for annexa'cion to Cupertino, as
well as t;lze applica �ion for a Use Permit from �cl1e City.
A Use Perrnit has been �ranted by �che Santa Clara Coun�y
Plannin� Commission. UJe have don� as muciz as ti�1e can,
and �chis mai�ter is now out of our �urisdic'cion. It
would be desirable if thin�s such as this could be dis-
cussed at a much earlier sta�e.
The Ci�cy At'corney fe�ls that in i,lie interes�c oF �ood
relations wzth the Fire Distric�, we s��ould consider
this mati,er tal�en care of . There are a lot oi' people
in Monta Visi;a, and the�r n�ed a fire station. In
reGarc� i,o the crooked stree�cs, street t��.idths, e �c ., you
canno�c plan an older, established area the same as you
can a new, undeveloped area. S�cai,ements have been made
that 'ciz� fire trucl�s can neUfoi;ia'ce these turns and, pre-
sumably, precautionary methods ti�rill be ta�cen i,o alleviate
traffic hazards.
Chairman Hirshon feels tl�.ere is a traffic proUleri� up
there and he further believes the flashing li�hts would
help, He tivent alon� wi'ch �;he Planning Direc�;or's sL?�;-
gestion 'co make our Minutes available to the Cezzi,ral
Fire District. Comm. Hor�an feels this matter should be
repor'ced to the CitJ Council for �ossible act�_on.
IV ti1RITTEN COMMUNICATIONS
A� The Planning Director ca11.�d attention to 'ch� memos
he has sent to 'che Commissioners:
1) Copy of inemo to Council re Resolutions.
2) Copy of inemo �o Council re new draftsman.
3) Memo about Cali feed mill.
�I} Memo abou� certain r�zonin�s for wha.ch �here was
no time to consult the Plannin� Comrnission of
Cupertino: the hearing in San Jose has been
postponed; and the Lwo hearings in the County
lzave been continued. The Planning Director has
commi�ted the Cup�rtino Plannin�; Commission to
a joint meeting with �Y1� County Plannin� Commis-
sion, if convenient, durin� the week oi Oct. 10-1�,
a� the Coun�y Plannin� Commission ofi'ices. After
discussion, it was decidec� thaL the Co�i�u�issioners
��aere free on OcLober 12, tia3_th October 11 as an
alternate date. Purpose of said meeL is i;o
discuss a policy of rezonin{;s in Monta Vista and
i,I�e Foothill Blvd. Nei�hborhood Plan.
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5) P about Foothill Blvd. The Director asiced
tivhe'cher �he Commiss:Lon wisi�ed to discuss it at
'chis n�eetin�. It was decided the Cornmissioners
di�est tl�e recent memo irotn �.he Planniri� Direc-
�cor and be ready �o discuss it; at the joint
meetin�.
6) Merno re�arc�ing parlcin� stalls .
V VERBAL COi�Il�ItINICATIONS
There tiaere none .
VI HEARINGS SCHIDULED:
6-TM-65 A. CLAR�NCE R. SOL?E;tSTROM: Ten�ativ� Map for
Realignment of Proper�y Lines of t� lots a�
Hil�lcrest Drive. First Hearing.
Mr. Clarence R. Soders'crom, 50�1 Monterey Hi ;1��-�a�T, San
Jose, said there are 2 lots in tllat pari,icular parcel.
I'c v�aas surveyed v��rong originall�r, and at the t•irnc it
was re-surveyed it showed Parcel 1� as havin� less tnan
1�,0�0 sq. ft. The Plannin� Director said some fla�-
� shaped lots are accepted tiallen Lizere is a good reason
for �,liem, such as this. He added tha'c as a proposed
concession, Hillcrest Avenue vaoulc� be proposed f,o be
50' t�id� rather than 'che 60' call�d for in tile Sub-
division Ordinance. He believes �his is sufficient,
but it is an exception and shoulcl be noted. Further
questions are, when this str�et s:lould be improved;
and tize Iots be connec'ced �o tlze se�-aer s fstem.
Cuperi;ino does not accep'c septic �;anks, excep'c on a
temporar� basis. There should be a condition 'c��at ti:e
lots musv be connected to th� sevaer assessment tahen
praci,ical.
The City En�ineer s�ated he has no ob,�ection �o the
fla�--shape�. lo� in tY�is case. The more impor'�ant
qu.es�,ion �o be resolved is wnen the stree� :i.s to Ue
improved. The property owner has stated r�e is c�ailling
at some future date to go a1on� t�aith an assessrf�eni.
districi,. To do the work independently of other property
owners in the area �raould be impractical and e.LcessiveJ.y
expensive.
Mr. Tom Henderson, en�ineer representing Mr. Soc?erstrom,
discussed the septic tanl: situa�c7 on traith the Plannin�
Commission. A11 the hot?ses in 'che area are presen�3.y
on septic �ank.
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PC-R1� Minu�es of Sept. 26, 19�6, PlanninU Commission Meezin�
The Ci��r A'c�corney quo�ed from .ti�e Subdivision Ordinance,
wizici� s�a�ces it taltes a findin� 'u�r �he Ci��y En�;ineer to
allot�r less �han a 60' stree �, va�iich has been established
in tlzis case. The County Heal�i,h D�partment approves the
design oz" the septic tan�c.
Moved Uy Cor►�m. Hor�an, secondecl �y Comm. Bu�'rlenuih, to
close the" Public Hearir��s.
AYES: Comm. Bryson, Buth�nuth, Hor�an, Hirshon
NAYS : None
ABS�,NT: Comm, Frolich
Motion carried, `;-0
Moved �y Comm. Hor�an, seconded by Comm. Buth�nu'cl�, to
recommend acceptance of the Tentative Map 6-TM-66, with
'chree condi�cions: 1} Ri�;ht-of-�•rSSr on Hillcrest reduced
from b0' to 50'; 2) The applicant vaill eommit himself to
bein� a part of the assessment district providin; street
improve�nents; 3). The applicant vaill commit himself to
bein; a par� of the assessment diai,rict providin" sewers.
AYES: Comm. Bryson, Bu�he�zu%h, Horgan, H:irshon
NAYS: None
ABSENT: Conim. Frolich
Motion carried, !!-0
VIII NEt�d BUSINESS
lt'.-TM-65 A, MILCICAY & SOMPS: Extension o�"' Tentative Map for area
ti^lest of Bubb Road, south of Columbus Avernte.
Mr. Ro�er Lehr, of McKay and Somps, represented the appli-
cant.
The Plannin�; Director said f�e had no ob�ections �o the
�;rancin� of i.t�is extension; Y�oti���ever, he feels i:hat
under�round utilities should be a condition. A�r. Lehr
had no ob3ection to this , condi
The City En�ineer sta'ced the developer has started the
first uni'c, the plans for the s�cond unit have been in
his ofi ice and have been corrected, It is �us�c a mai�ter
of the applicant findin� ou� ho��a �lie sales are �oing to
�o be�'ore he proceeds.
Moved by Comm. Horgan, seconded Uy Comm. Bryson, to
approve ex'cension of l�-TM-6�i for one year, �vith the
conc�i�;? on tha.'c under�round utili'ci�s be provided.
AYES: Comm. Bryson, Buvherntth, Hor�an, Hirshon
NA�S : None
ABSENT: Comm. Froliclz
Motion car�iecl, L!-0
PC-R18 �1I1u�2� of Sep�. 26 1966 Plann�n� Commission Meetin�
VI HEARIi�TGS SCHEDUL�D :
81,OOL� B. SIGN ORDINANCE N0. 350: R�vision of existin�
Si�n Ordinance No. 8�. Firs�� Hearin� continued.
The Plannin�; Director ca11�d ai,tention to paUe 1L' of
the Second Draft, S�ction 6.0�2, and page 17, Section
6.121. On second thou;ht, he believed there should be
no projectin� si�ns over the roadway par� of aiz� puk�lic
rimh�--o�'-Uray. The above tT�ao para�raphs will b� re-varitten.
Mr. CYiris Christ3.ansen, represer�'cative of� �res�cern Oil
and Gas Association, had comments �o malce on vhe follova-
ing portions of the Ordinance:
A, Pa�e 9, Section 5.01 -� Service stations normally
have a rack of cans of oil up by.�he pL?mps, not for
ac�ver'cisin�; purposes, but z^or convenience. He asked
if ii: tiaas the Cammission's in�ent3on 'co rna>>e this
i11e; �,al. The Plannin� Di.r-cc�or will re�vord this
Seci.ion. The Dir�ec�or of .Public Z�Jorks feels there
should be some control. on �he displaJs of �:Lres,
etc., at service staLions.
B. Pa�e 11,.Section 5.10 - The 2-year period seemed
�injust to Mr. Christiansen. Si�;ns are very �xpen-
sive, and a 7-10 year limi�a'cion �vould al7.oti�1 �he
si�ns to be amortised. The City At�orney i'eels 2
years is standard and necessary �o avoid non-con-
formin�; uses for many years.
C. 1'a�e 12, S�c �ion 6. 021 - Mr. Chris �3.ansEn a�'_t:ed if
bo�h sides of street fronta��s on cornQr lo could
be credited. The consensus of �he Plannin� Com-
ln�.ssion U��as that this was in��nded; this Section
should be clarifieu. The Ci�cy t�'ctorney's opinion
was tYzai, the depth of the s�tback rather thaiz �he
fronta;e is the test for a pole sign. The purpose
of �his Section is a�n a'ct�mp� to limit tl�ae "forest
of pole signs."
D. Par;e 12, Section 6.022. AZr, Christiansen said �his
wot�ld force a service station to set itis pole si;n
bacl�, ati�aay from t�le corner. The Citf A'�'corney
f�1� it ti�bL�1� b� Uetter 'co have a pole si�;n rath�r
��zan par?ied cars, tova trucics, etc. in the corner area.
"Setback" needs 'co be defined. Perhaps e,I1e en�ire
para�raph is unnecessary,
E. Pa�e 12, Section 6.02�E and Pa�;e 15, Sectiozz 6.073:
P�Ir. Christiansen recommended bo�h sign hei�h�s should
b� 25'. Comm. Buthenuth su��ested a para�raph be
aari��;en specifically for service stations.
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PC-R18 Minutes of Sep�. 26 Zg66 Plannin� Commission Meetin�
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F. Pa"e 17.1, S�ction 6.1�1. r�Zr. Ciiristiansen �aan'ced
'co lcnoti°r �,��hether �his meant f�hc inside or ot� �side of
�ize vaindows. The consensus t.aas i,ha.t .any s�.�n ob-
scurin; a taindov� seen from a public ri�ht-oi -wa�r ti�aas
int and �he wordin�; sllould ref'Iect this.
G. Pa�e 20, Section $.13 and Pa�e 21, Section 8.61b:
Mr. Cliristiansen said L i;a1e sign area permitted
b�T tllese sections is definizely inadequa�;e.
Mr. Ray White, of Shell Oil Company, said there are
four basic signs which servic� sta�ion s need in order
�o operate. Chairman Hirshon su��ested i,he s�aff
ma?�e a study on how other c�.�ies 'creat service
s �ai,ion signs.
The Ordinance should note that purely directional
si�ns are noi: for advertisin� purposes, and not to
be inc3uded in.the area computation. Chairman
Hirshon feels tve should regulate external vut not
in 'cernal.si�ns. The City A��orney pointed out that
enforcement in Carmel is not handled by the Building
Inspector, but rather by the citizens v�ho do noi;
pa'cronize th� offenders. This, unders'candably,
would not be the case in Cupertino.
Mr, t�Talter t�Tard, General Mana�er of Vallco Park,
requested ver.ba�e for industrial pa.rk si�ns in the
Ordinance.
Mr. t Crump, 1oca1 developer, called a��ention
to pa�;e 16, Sec �ion 6.081, asl�in� if it re�erred to
from an� direction, or from on1J one direc�ion. The
Plannin� Direc�or is to confer with the Building
Inspector on this.
Pa.ge l7, Section 6.111: Delete the words "or daily
display,"
Moved by Comm. Hor�an, seconded by Comm. Buthenuth,
to c�n�cinue the First Hearin� on the Sign Ordinance,
to t;he next regu3.ar ineetin�. .
Motion carried, �-0
VII UNFINSSHED BUSINESS
There rrras none.
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VIII NEW BUSINESS
86, 00� B. DIFECTORS OF PUBLIC U�tORKS �1ND PLA.NNING :
�� �.� Park:Ln� Space ti� .
The Planning Director stated tha'c if you parl� your car
very careful3y in the middlo of a:10' wide parl.ing stall
you can just barely open the doors of a�-door car with-
out nic�:in� �he next one. He definitely x�commended
retainin� the 10' of the present Parlcin� Ordina.nce for
a11 parLin� accessible �o the public in general. Perhaps
we could rna��e exceptions for industrial par��in� lots
because conditions are different (people are parked n�xt
to friends or acquaint ances; they most lileely are not
burdened ��ith armfuls of packa�;es or carryin� a baby,
etc., as is so often the case at shopping centers.).
L'xceptions could be granted as a part of Archi�ectL�ral
and Site Control or Use Permit procedure.
The Direc�cor of Public Works said this increases by 20�
the amoun� of property needed for a parkir.� lo�L He
agrees that 8� is not adequate; perha.ps the anst��rer is
9 '
.
The Co�nmission decided to continue this item i.o the
next re�ular meetinQ.
IX ADJOURNMENT
� Moved bf Comm. Bryson, seconded by Comm. Hor�;an, i,o
ad�ourn the meetin�, a� 10:35 P.A�.
� A PPROVID :
/s� Jack Hirshon
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